1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound on 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: the negotiations now and underway to finish up the appropriation. 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Though so there's no government shutdown. Vaccine mandates aren't much 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: easier to do at the state level than at the 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: federal level. Bloomberg Sound on Politics, Policy and Perspective from 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: DC's top name. We've seen some damage to the credibility 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: on how poorly the US did predicting that Taliban takeovers. 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: The country has moved from a weariness with COVID to 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: a resignation and that somehow we're gonna get through it. 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. You 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: never know in days like these are gonna happen in Washington, 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: days that change the narrative. Get politicians and reporters off 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: the script. Here we are. We'll distill it all for you. 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: In the fastest hour in politics, with voting rights legislation 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: looking unlikely to pass now after Senator Kirston Cinema said 16 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: no to changing the Philip stir and the Biden administration's 17 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: workplace vaccine requirements struck down by the Supreme Court a 18 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: short time ago. That's just for starters. We have a 19 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: lot more to talk about, and will be joined at 20 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: a moment by Congresswoman Barbara Lee, Democrat from California, on 21 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: the future of voting rights and the child tax credit. 22 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: And we'll talk later with Labor Secretary Marty Walsh about 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: today's Supreme Court ruling, what it means for the workforce, 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: and the effort to vaccinate the nation. The signature panel 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: is in place. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Chanzano and Rick 26 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: Davis here for the hour. Indeed, it turned into quite 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: a day here in your nation's capital. We start with 28 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,279 Speaker 1: voting rights, the presidential visit to Capitol Hill. President Biden 29 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: paying a visit to Senate Democrats as they met for 30 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: lunch today. Those who were in the room say he 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: spoke passionately about the issue. When he emerged, he told 32 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: reporters it was not looking good. I hope we can 33 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: get this done, but I'm not sure. But one thing 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: for certain, one thing for certain, Like every other major 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: civil rights bill that came along, if we missed the 36 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: first time, we could come back and try a second time. 37 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: We missed this time, we missed this time, sounding rather definitive, 38 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: and the President's visit came only about an hour after 39 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: Senator Kirsten Cinema, of course, Democrat from Arizona, all but 40 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: closed the door on the legislation's chances in that chamber, 41 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: refusing to change the filibuster, which of course would allow 42 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: this to pass along party lines, eliminating the sixty vote 43 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: threshold on a party line with the thinnest of possible 44 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: majorities to pass these bills that I support, we'll not 45 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: guarantee that we prevent demagogues from winning office. Joining us 46 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: to talk about the way forward on this, among other 47 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: issues that we'd like to get to today. As Congresswoman 48 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: Barbara Lee, Democrat from California Districts Oakland Congresswoman, thank you 49 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: for being here. Is it back to the drawing board 50 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: on voting reform? Yeah? You know, as we've got to 51 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: keep fighting. If you support something, then you figure out 52 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: a way to make sure it happens. Where there's a will, 53 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: there's a way. So I'm not going to give up. Um. 54 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: It's really a defining moment for our country, you know. 55 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: I I remember the days um of Jim Crow. I 56 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: remember when Um we as an African American in Texas, 57 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: when my family didn't have the right to vote. Why 58 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: in the world there are those who are lining up 59 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: with the Republicans who say that um in essence, that 60 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: the constitutional right to vote our democracy is not as 61 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: important as a in our kig M mechanism placed in 62 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: the Senate after after slavery is mindbodement. So I'm still 63 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: hopeful that they'll find a way, a rule, a carve out. 64 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: We did it for the they did it for the 65 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: death ceiling. We did it also and helped find a way, 66 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: and so we've got to keep at it because this 67 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: is a defining moment and so many people will be 68 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: denied access to their constitutional rights. Well, Congresswoman, after build 69 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: Back Better Now voting reform, are you getting tired of 70 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: hearing the names Cinema and Mansion. I'm not getting tired 71 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: of hearing the names. I think that we have to 72 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: say their names, and their constituents need to hold them 73 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: a cannibal. I think it's it's a shame and disgrace 74 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: and two people could hold up legislations that could help 75 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: the majority of American people with their lives and their livelihoods, 76 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: and so no, I think we have to say their names, 77 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: and we have to work with them and try to 78 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: make sure they understand that they're impeding progress, not just 79 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: for Democrats, but for Republicans, for people who live in 80 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: rural communities, for women who want to get back in 81 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: the workforce need childcare. You know, I'm going to ask 82 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: you about the child tax credit in just a moment, Congresswoman, 83 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: before we turn to that. Though, I'm sure you saw 84 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: the very sternly worded statement from the Double A CP 85 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: this week following President by speech in Atlanta. Are you 86 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: disappointed in President Biden for not making this an earlier 87 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: priority in his first year. Well, it's always been a 88 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: priority with our Vice president and the President, I think so. 89 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: I don't share that sentiment. No, I think that what 90 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: has happened is covid Um. We and the Biden administration 91 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: had to repair a heck of a lot of damage 92 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: from the Trump administration just to save lives, and quite naturally, 93 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: that had to be a priority. Um, the distribution of vaccine, 94 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: getting the messaging out, making sure that people did not die, 95 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: and mitigate against the terrible, terrible holific uh, the impact 96 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: of the pendimic. They had to do that, and that 97 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately became well, it had to be their priority. Unfortunately, 98 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: because of the raging nature of COVID. I want to 99 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: ask you about the child tax credit. The next round 100 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: of check Congresswoman, as you well know, would have been 101 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: going out this weekend if the back better had become law, 102 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: if it had passed the Congress both chambers. In the meantime, though, 103 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: I wonder if you would support a standalone bill to 104 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: extend that tax credit to families going forward, or if 105 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: there's another plan B you have in mind. Well, I've 106 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: talked to many members about how we can do this. 107 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure yet if we have a plan B. 108 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: But let me tell you, thirty six million families face 109 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: m January without a child tax credit. Uh. And Senator 110 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: Mansion status what three D fifty thousand who are going 111 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: to miss out on this? And this is a matter 112 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: of people being a There was someone who said that 113 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: as a result of this ending that there will be 114 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: times when she won't eat. And so we we've got 115 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: to do this. And and Senator Mansion hopefully we'll come 116 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: around again. We have to figure out ways to um 117 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: make sure he understands and responds to his constituents. Also, Uh, 118 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: this is a terrible thing not to have uh this 119 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: this check come app and in fact had um it's 120 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: been renewed. Um. If it's not renewed, we're going to 121 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: see childhood poverty rates. Um. Paul again, I mean, was 122 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: there a way to handle that in a retroactive fashion? 123 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: Could could you do that at some point this month 124 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: or next month and make good on that check for January? Well, 125 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: I'm telling we don't know, but we're trying every which way. 126 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: Should be part of the Build Back Better plan, which 127 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: which we negotiated with Senator Mansions to meet his requirements, 128 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: which the President committed to get done, which we agree 129 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: with the President it should pass right away. And so 130 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: we're still working on getting Build Back Better hopefully in 131 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: shape to pass. And let me just tell you what 132 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm hearing people in my district and Golden State of California. 133 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: They're using these childhood tax credit payments for diapers, from nursery, 134 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: for other essential you know, it really has made such 135 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: a difference to families who are living on the edge, 136 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: and and so we really want to entile poverty. Then 137 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: we'll figure out a way to do this. But I'm 138 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: going back to Bill back Better and say look, we've 139 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: negotiated down to what Senator Mansion said he could live with, 140 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: and so I hope that he'll find a way to 141 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: live up to his commitment. Commens Woman Barbara Lee, Democrat 142 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: from California, are greetings to Oakland, and thank you for 143 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: being with us answering our questions here on Bloomberg Sound On. 144 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm Joe, Matthew and Washington. We want to turn to 145 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: the other major development today here in the nation's capital. 146 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: That's the Supreme Court ruling to block the Biden administration's 147 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: vaccine or test requirement for major employers. Talked a lot 148 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: about this, even as the Court, by the way, allowed 149 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: a separate rule for workers in nursing homes and hospitals 150 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: that receive Medicare and Medicaid funding, allowing that to move forward. 151 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: A split decision, you might say. Labor Secretary Marty Walsh 152 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: is with us right now to talk about what it 153 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: all means. Secretary, we thank you for being here on 154 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: a busy day. Do you plan to fight this ruling? No, 155 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: we're not. You know, it's certainly very disappointed with today's 156 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: ruling by the Supreme Court. Uh, it's only gonna hurt 157 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: workers you know, as we as we crafted this rule, 158 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: we we crafted it with the understanding about medical and 159 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: legal experts agree that it was necessary and we had 160 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: the right to do this to make sure a workplace 161 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: are safe all across our country. UM, and that's kind 162 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: of where we are at this moment. What does it 163 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: mean for your effort to vaccinate the workforce and more 164 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: broadly the nation. Secretary, We've talked a lot about the 165 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: slowdowns that have happened in our economy and supply chains. 166 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: Some of the stuff you've been directly tied to. You 167 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: and I have talked about truckers, the need for more workers. 168 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: Does this slow down the recovery? I won't sit on 169 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: the recovery, but what it's gonna do, it puts lots 170 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: of people at risk. Uh, it's certainly if you look 171 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: at the numbers people that have vaccinated UH and booster 172 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: and a lot of circumstances that that are getting the 173 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: amicron variant. UH, they're just getting sick. And people who 174 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: are unvaccinated are being hospitalized and and unfortunately passing away. 175 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: But but we're urging, and I'm going to urge myself 176 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: and the President and the administration is going to urge 177 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: employers to take these vaccines and test measures and put 178 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: them in place, and we'll support them to all that. 179 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: And the Department of Labor and Ocean and Particulars stands 180 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: ready to work with companies on keeping their work as 181 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: safe as we continue to move through this phase of 182 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: the pandemic. Several Justices Secretary were concerned about regulatory overreach. 183 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: That's what we heard of the arguments. They said, Congress 184 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: is where the authority lies to direct OSHA to do this, 185 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: with the administration consider legislation to make that happen. A 186 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: different approach. No, I think the President addressed in his 187 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: statement earlier. He said that he fails that we have 188 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: the ability to do this, and that's why we want 189 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: to and did this. It's really it's really like I said, 190 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: it's really unfortunate. I think about, you know, my time 191 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: when when when the when the coronavirus started and came 192 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: to America, I was mayor Buston Uh and you there 193 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: with me, and you saw what we have to do. 194 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: In the very beginning day, over eight hundred thousand Americans 195 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: have lost their life because of coronavirus. Over five and 196 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: a half almost five and half million people in the 197 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: world have lost their life. We're still living in the 198 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: pandemic time. And what we want to do is keep 199 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: people safe. We want to get people back to work. 200 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: We want people to be saved. We want people to 201 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: enjoy the holidays and birthdays with their families. And right now, 202 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: I mean, this ruling doesn't help that. But we're gonna 203 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: be continue continuing the efforts of making sure Americans are 204 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: safe and working with companies all across our country. Based 205 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: on your communications with employers, and you have a better 206 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: sense as you kind of look nationally at this issue 207 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: as secretary, what is this What does this leave us? 208 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: Are we going to have half the country, half the 209 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: major cities in the country where employers have a vaccine 210 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: or test mandate and and half the country does not? 211 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: Or is it not that simple? No, we still have 212 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: the majority of adults in this country are vaccinated. And 213 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: I think that you know, we understand the President laid 214 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: out of plan back in January of last year, would 215 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: be and the president to get people vaccinated. And and 216 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: for the most part, we have lots of million, hundreds 217 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: of millions of people in this millions of people in 218 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: this country vaccinated we're talking about a smaller number. And 219 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: what we want to do is when we talk about 220 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: next month, when we're talking in job's day and you're 221 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: asking me a question about worker shortages, out of the 222 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: reason is making sure people feel safe going back to work. 223 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: So we we just have to continue our efforts with 224 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: the president laid out. You know, is this a setback. 225 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's setback. Is it's a severe disappointment, 226 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: is what it is. But We're going to continue to 227 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: do everything we can. I'm going to continue everything I 228 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: can as Secretary of Labor for the United States of 229 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: America to make sure every single worker in America is safe. 230 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: Part of your job as Secretary, of course, to oversee OSHA. 231 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: Do you worry this ruling will in any way limit 232 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: Ocean's ability to keep workplaces safe with or or without 233 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: COVID Beyond COVID, Well, I'm concerned. In summer Gods, I mean, 234 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: obviously in this what we wanted to accomplish here, we're 235 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: not gonna be able to do that. But the folks 236 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: here at OSHA, as the folks that work at OSHA, 237 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: the career of people here, they're amazing human beings and 238 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: CANNA continue to do everything they can to make sure 239 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: we continue to make sure workplaces is safe for Americans 240 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: that go into those workplaces that they're safe. I know 241 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: you want to be a beat secretary, but does this 242 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: does this frustrate you? Without that reference you made earlier, 243 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna talk to him, You're gonna ask 244 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: me about a worker shortage and what's going on at 245 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: the end of the month when the job's report comes out. 246 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: But then you have this land in your lap? Does 247 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: it does it feel like you can't win sometimes when 248 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: it comes to COVID. I wouldn't say that. I just 249 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: think that, you know, when as we were putting this 250 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: rule together, I sat with personally and my team sat 251 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: with many medical experts about this and legal experts, and 252 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: they all kept saying, we have the legal right to 253 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: do this. And the medical experts said, this is the 254 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: absolute right thing to do. And this was a vaccine 255 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: or testing vaccine or testing that's what we were going 256 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: to do here. Uh, this is not This is not 257 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: what people arguing and battling about with mandates. Although there 258 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: are mandates in place, and and I support companies to 259 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: mandate and I support government's mandate. But this is a 260 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: vacci attest and that's the thing in this particular ruling 261 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: that that kind of makes me scratch my head a 262 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: little bit. Well, I'm sure that you are pleased though, 263 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: to have the other rule go forward. Right, this is 264 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: nursing homes hospitals that receive federal funding. How many people 265 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: are we talking about here, Uh, Secretary? What does that 266 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: mean for the big picture? I don't have the exact number, 267 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: but you know it's it's millions of people, and it's 268 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: it's that that's a that's a good part of this ruling. 269 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: That that is good. So you know, the ruling was 270 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: not good in some aspects I felt, and other aspects 271 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: it was good. And it also allows us the opportunity 272 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: to to make sure that we can keep hospital personnel 273 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: safe as well, so we're looking at that as well. 274 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: Secretary of Labor, Marty Walsh, appreciate your being with us 275 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: as always, sir, in a breaking news environment, no less 276 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: insights from the former mayor of Boston. Thank you again, sir. 277 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: By the way, the courts three liberal justices Briar Kagan 278 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: so do Mayor dissented as I read on the terminal 279 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: the decision, stimy is the federal government's ability to counter 280 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: the unparalleled threat that COVID poses to our nation's workers. 281 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: In an unusual joint opinion, I told you this has 282 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: been a day. I'm not even done yet, but we 283 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: do want to assemble the panel with Bloomberg Politics contributors 284 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: Jeannie Chanzano and Rick Davis what must be on their minds. 285 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: We'll take these stories once at a time. Here, Genie, 286 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: is this round on voting rights. Let's go back to 287 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: voting rights over. It's over for now. I think we 288 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: are going to see the Senate push through and try 289 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: to keep the discussion going on the filibuster. But for 290 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: all intents and purposes, we they simply don't have the 291 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: votes to make the changes they need. And I think 292 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: we heard that in the President's remarks that you know 293 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: they're not going to win this time, but they're gonna 294 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: keep going at it. And I thought, you know, your 295 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: discussion with with Barbara Lee was very important because she 296 00:15:55,400 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: underscores what a personal and really compelling issue this is 297 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: to so many people, as she talks about remembering the 298 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: days of Jim Crow and about not giving up on this. 299 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: So this is something that is really important to many Democrats, 300 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: but they simply don't have the vote. With Cinema coming 301 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: out against changing the filibuster, Let's hear from Kirsten Cinema 302 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: one more time, Rick Davis. You know the state of Arizona. 303 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: She says that the people of Arizona do not want 304 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: to see the rules of the Senate changed. And she 305 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: talked about, I'll use her words here, a disease of division. 306 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: We must address the disease itself, the disease of division, 307 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: to protect our democracy. And it cannot be achieved by 308 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: one party alone. It cannot be achieved solely by the 309 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: federal government. The response requires something greater and yes, more 310 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: difficult than what the Senate is discussing today. This speech 311 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: on the floor came just about what an hour before 312 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: President Biden showed up at that Democratic Caucus luncheon. How 313 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: did she do here, Rick, in making the case that 314 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: changing the filibuster was not going to happen as long 315 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: as she was around. Yeah, I think she made a 316 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: calculated decision to get out their head of the president's 317 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: visit and define her own opposition. She led a very 318 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: compelling case for why she was for the underlying bill. 319 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: But she also laid out a very compassionate case, as 320 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: you describe in the clip shows, as to why she 321 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: will not oppose the filibuster rule. And and look, I mean, 322 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: she's she's wildly popular in Arizona. I mean, Democrats can 323 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: complain about her, but nobody's gonna beat her in Arizona. 324 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: And and and Arizona does like and has rewarded dealmakers 325 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: like John McCain and and and at the time Bury 326 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: Goldwater uh In in the Senate for being someone who 327 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: can go across the aisle and get deals done. And 328 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: and that has been a more and more difficult business 329 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: to be in. But she's already scored a win for 330 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: this administration by co sponsoring with a Republican um the 331 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: trans the Infrastructure Bill, I mean, probably the biggest piece 332 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: of legislation that that Joe Biden's going to pass in 333 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: his first two years of office. Did she make the case, 334 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: genie for for progressives who wanted to see the filibuster 335 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: put down in this case, she she made the case 336 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: for the minority reminding and you've talked about this genie. 337 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: The Democrats some day will be back in that position. 338 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: They will and of course it could be in just 339 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: about a year from now. But I think sort of 340 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: what is missing in this discussion is that there is 341 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: this idea that the filibuster is historic and goes back 342 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: to the beginning of time, and that's simply not the case. 343 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: The filibuster we know today is really unrestricted minority obstruction. 344 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: It is not this tradition of unlimited speech, and so 345 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: that is a huge distinction. I think that the Democrats 346 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: have to do a better job about talking about the 347 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: history of this thing. There have been carve outs numerous overtime, 348 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: including the adoption of the Motion of Culture in nineteen seventeen. 349 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: So this idea that this thing has never been touched 350 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: and is somehow sacrosanct is simply not the fact. And 351 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: we don't have the real idea of unlimited debate today. 352 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: What we have is unrestricted obstruction, and that is what 353 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: Democrats need to talk about. But of course they're not 354 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: going to get either to Ricks Point, Cinema or Mansion 355 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: on board when they have wildly support the wild support 356 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: of their constituents in their states. I want to ask 357 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: you both about the way the President conducted himself today. 358 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: We've seen him go to Capitol Hill quite a number 359 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: of times over the past couple of months. Uh, it 360 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: was built back better before that, it was infrastructure. Today 361 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: it was voting rights. And he did speak passionately to 362 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: reporters when he came out of that that caucus meeting room, 363 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: and I want you to hear what he said. The 364 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: state legislative bodies continue to change the law, knowledge who 365 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: can vote, who gets to count the vote? Count the vote, 366 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: count the vote. It's about election subversion, not just whether 367 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: or not people get to vote. Who counts the vote. 368 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: Speaking almost in shouting tones there for a moment, Rick, 369 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: it was like that Joe Biden we saw earlier in Atlanta. 370 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: Is this the president that should have been trumping voting 371 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: rights months ago? Yeah, if he wanted to pass this, 372 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: he would have had to find another way of convincing 373 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: both his caucus and other supporters potentially on the Republican 374 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,239 Speaker 1: Party side, uh, to to get on board. And at 375 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: the end of the day, this is a passion issue. 376 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: It's it's underlying democratic principles that we all hold true 377 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: in our nation. And and yet look at the agenda 378 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: he's been dealt with, right, I mean, like, I actually 379 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: think the point that Barbara Lee was making about the 380 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: fact that COVID got in the way of a lot 381 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: of this legislative agenda is a fair criticism. Um. You know, 382 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: it's not like you can do everything that you want 383 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: to do in the first year your presidency. And he's 384 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: battling a global pandemic and America's role in it. So 385 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: I think people in the Democratic Party need to take 386 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: a deep breath and realize they live or die by 387 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: the success of Joe Biden in and also and the 388 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: more they nitpicked this guy, the more likely it is 389 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: that they're gonna see Republicans in both the House, in 390 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: the Senate and in the White House. What do you 391 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: make of the Supreme Court ruling, Jeanie Chanzano, This is 392 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: another setback for Joe Biden. He kind of got to 393 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: in one day, didn't he He did. It's been a 394 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: really tough day for Democrats and Biden in particular. And 395 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think any of us are surprised, 396 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: though all of these events are things we expected. We 397 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: thought the Conservatives will go the way they did, at 398 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,239 Speaker 1: least in that first case, and we thought sent him 399 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: on Mansion would hold strong to their position on the filibuster. 400 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: But a bad day indeed for the Democrats. And you know, 401 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: I think it's worth underscoring what the minority in the 402 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: Supreme Court said, which is this idea that the Court 403 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: US now said that the government cannot respond to a pandemic. 404 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: That's a huge problem. Yet this is a court that 405 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: also has allowed states to make these decisions on mandates. 406 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: So I think we're going to have to see some 407 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: more activity at the state level if they want to 408 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: get this done. The unsigned opinion quote, although Congress has 409 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: indisputedly given OSHAN the power to regulate occupational dangers, it 410 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: has not given the agency the power to regulate public 411 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: health more broadly, Rick Davis, I know you saw this coming, 412 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: But what does it mean for that sort of broader 413 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: argument about mandates. This has become a very ugly political 414 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: argument that's really cut the country in half. Yeah, it's 415 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 1: a it's been way to politicize. What's interesting about this 416 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: is a lot of the corporations that would have been 417 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: under this federal mandate did it anyway, and they did 418 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: it ahead of the government man's true requirement and and 419 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: and frankly, that's what you hope out of your administration 420 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: is that they set a standard. They don't have to 421 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: legislate that standard. They can just set a standard. Companies 422 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: should protect their employees by getting them to get vaccines. 423 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean, like, there's absolutely nothing wrong with using the 424 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: bully open to get them to do it. You don't 425 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: always have to make it a presidential decree. And I 426 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: think this is what the Supreme Court is telling this administration. 427 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: It's okay to talk about this stuff, is okay for 428 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: them to voluntarily do it, but when you start requiring 429 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: them to do it as a thorough mandate, there's got 430 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: to be a nexus in something, right, either the fact 431 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: that they're receiving medicare Medicaid funds where there's actual danger 432 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: to the employee. You need a hook, You need a hook, 433 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: and they didn't have one in this case. What does 434 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: this mean? Quickly jode a genie for the mid terms 435 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: here as we consider the argument around Mandy, it's gonna 436 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: be a big mid term election issue, a huge issue. 437 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: And I think this all again gets back to what 438 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: happens in the schools that the administration has been trying 439 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: to address as well. And I think that's going to 440 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: be a challenge because that has always done at the 441 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: local level too. Oh my gosh, we're just getting started 442 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: here on the fastest hour in politics. We're gonna add more. 443 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: Coming up is at the end of an era for 444 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: presidential debates. The Republican National Committee is hoping so, or 445 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: at least the end of the Commission on Presidential Debates. 446 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that with Bloomberg's marking cat coming up 447 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: and the panel of course, Rick and Genie along for 448 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: the ride here with a lot more to talk about 449 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: on sound on. I'm Joe Matthew, this is Bloomberg. There's 450 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: nothing like a presidential debate, right, I mean, if you're 451 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: a political junkie. Prime Time TV. Two candidates on the stage, 452 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: the unbiased moderator and the next three to presidential one 453 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: vice presidential are sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. 454 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: Tonight's ninety minutes will be about domestic issues and will 455 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: follow a format designed by the Commission. The Commission, said 456 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: Jim Larra, bringing us back to the presidential campaign in there, right, 457 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: that's how this thing all starts. As all starts the 458 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: Commission on Presidential Debates. They run these things well, does 459 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: I read on the terminal from Mark the cat and 460 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: let her out today to the commission's co chairs, the 461 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: Republican National Committee says the party's lost faith that its 462 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: nominees will treated fairly. So much for the unbiased moderator. 463 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: After communications with the Commission since last June about reforming 464 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: the debate process, including new rules for how moderators conduct debates, 465 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: led to this, Mark Niquette is with us right now. 466 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: I'm happy to say, Bloomberg National Political Reporter, market's great 467 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: to have you back. How much of a big deal 468 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: is this for the process? What would replace the Commission? Well, 469 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: the RNC is talking about some other kind of forum where, 470 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, a debate could be held, just not sponsored 471 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: by the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates. But as you 472 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: said this, you know, this is the way we've been 473 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: doing debates for for decades now, so it's hard to know, 474 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: you know what other you know forum could be held 475 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: that both Democrats and Republicans would agree to. Um And 476 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: this could be just sort of a negotiating employed by 477 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: the r n C. It's been trying to get rules 478 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: changed for debates ever since. You know, Donald Trump, you know, 479 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: complain that you know, all kinds of things were unfair 480 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: about the debates. He accused the Commission of shutting off 481 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: his mic during one debate. UM. He's been notoriously unhappy 482 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: with the debate moderators, you know, thinking they've have been 483 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: biased against him. And the RNC has been pushing for 484 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: changes in the process that it thinks it would make 485 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: the process fairer for republicans. UM. And so far, the 486 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: Commission has not been willing to uh change the rules. 487 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: And you know, this letter today might just be another 488 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: step towards trying to get the you know, the Commission 489 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: to come along to what the R and C wants. 490 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: Is this really about liberal at least perceived to be 491 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: liberal newspeople being tapped as moderators? Is there anything more 492 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: to this? Mark, Well, there's other things that the RNC 493 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: has been pushing for, including, you know, having a debate 494 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: before early voting starts. You know, the idea that you know, 495 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: the debates happened too late in the process, or at 496 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: least after some people have um started voting already. UM, 497 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: that you know, we should be holding debates sooner. UM. 498 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: And they're also talking about, you know, more changes in 499 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: transparency for the commission. UM. You know how debate moderators 500 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: are chosen, what rules govern their um you know, handling 501 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: of debates. And also I think there's some concern Republicans 502 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: have expressed about, you know, commission members UM making partisan 503 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: comments or being perceived to have conflicts of interest. UM. 504 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: So these are kind of things that Republicans are trying 505 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: to get out in the opening everything else on an 506 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: organizational level, on a on a presentation level, would it 507 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: would it appear to be different and different exercise for 508 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 1: people watching at home? I don't think so. I mean, 509 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 1: I think, you know, the debates of you know, for 510 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: the most part, I think been viewed as you know, 511 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: impartial or at least nonpartisan UM. And and they've had 512 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: moderators who are at the top of their fields for sure. UM. So, 513 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to know if if any of 514 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: this these changes would actually affect the actual presentation of 515 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: the debate. UM. And you know that the Commission has 516 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: sort of made it clear that it's willing to negotiate 517 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: with the presidential candidates and themselves, but not necessarily with 518 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: the political parties like the R and C. So it'll 519 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: be interesting to see what happens after the way, we'd 520 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: love to talk to you when we know more. Mark Niquette, 521 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg National Political Report. You can find a story on 522 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: the terminal to learn more, and Market's great to have 523 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: you back. We'd we'd like to follow up on this. 524 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: I want to ask Rick Davis about this to Bloomberg 525 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: Politics contributor, Rick Davis has actually been in this process, Rick, 526 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: You've helped to organize, You've helped to plan presidential debates. Uh. 527 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: This is something that predates Donald Trump, is it not? Oh? Sure. 528 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: I've sat on a commission put together by Kathleen hol 529 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: Jamison at Annaburg Public Policy Center in two thousand fifteen 530 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: where you know, we made recommendations on how to improve 531 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: the debates and and frankly that came out of the 532 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: Act that the Presidential Debate Commission had not done enough 533 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: to update their formats and and make debates more accessible. 534 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: And so what needs to change? What are we getting 535 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: at here? You know? One of the fundamental changes is uh, 536 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, getting rid of audiences in in debates that 537 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: aren't town halls. Uh. You know, they started out is 538 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: studio debates, then they became rallies and they're very disruptive. Uh. 539 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: You know, I think one of my bug a booze 540 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: was locating these debates. The Commission does it because they 541 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: can raise money in certain places. Um, but like, why 542 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: do you want to go to Hampstead, New York in 543 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: the last three weeks of the election when nobody wants 544 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: the campaign in New York? And and we had to 545 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: do that, and those things are are repetitive. Um. Transparency, 546 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, just like knowing and understanding how the process 547 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: is supposed to work. You know, when you would a nomination, 548 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: you know it's made before November election and you don't 549 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 1: have a whole lot of you know, a whole lot 550 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: of time to really mess with it. And uh, and 551 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: the reality is that, um, you know, you're sort of 552 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: stuck because these these places. You know, the Commission has 553 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: already selected all these places to go to and has 554 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: its own former rules. I actually tried to open up 555 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: a dialogue with the Obama campaign with David Ploff. Two 556 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: un Democrats feel about yeah, we we tried to buy it, 557 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: pass it. They have the same attitude, but we actually 558 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: pointed to people to try and figure out could we 559 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: do them ourselves. Uh. John McCain just wanted to rent 560 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: a plane get Obama and him on it and fly 561 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: around and do a bunch of debates every week. So 562 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: thank god, I'm sure. But like this is the point is, 563 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, you what the campaign's talking to each other. 564 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: You don't want a third party that's gonna throw a 565 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: monkey wrench into it. And that's what's happened. Would this 566 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,239 Speaker 1: result in more favorable moderators or don't they exists in 567 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: your view? You know moderate Everyone always complains about the 568 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: moderator when their guy does a bad job. And and 569 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: and yet you know there were great guys like Jim Lair, 570 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: the clip you played, Bob Schieffer, I mean there are. 571 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: It adds a lot of robustness to the debate. And 572 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: and you don't want to cook the questions. You actually 573 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: want it to be a debate, but you want more 574 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,959 Speaker 1: interaction between the two candidates. You don't want the moderator 575 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: to be the star of the debate. If that's the case, 576 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,719 Speaker 1: then something went wrong. And we've had many of those nights. 577 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: Ye say, I've never seen a debate like that, right, 578 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: Rick Davis has been there. That's why he's with us 579 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: on sound on, and we appreciate it. Rick Will will 580 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: reassemble the panel and bring Genie back in next on Bloomberg. 581 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: Sound on MS is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You 582 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. It was 583 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: on this day last year. You remember the thirteenth of January. 584 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: We'll probably not, but it was that day House Minority 585 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: Leader Kevin McCarthy made news as he took to the 586 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: floor and made an impassioned speech about the attack on 587 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: the Capitol, which took place only days earlier. He's sounding 588 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: rather different today after refusing to testify before the Select 589 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: Committee investigating January six and before we bring in the panel. 590 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: We'll do a little before and after year, because this 591 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: was a major conversation earlier today on Capitol Hill. Let's 592 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: start January one, one year ago. Kevin McCarthy, the President 593 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: bears responsibility for Wednesday's attack on Congress by mob rioters. 594 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: He should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw 595 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: what was unfolding. These facts require immediate action by President Trump, 596 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: except to share responsibility, quell the brewing unrest, and ensure 597 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: President elect Biden is able to successfully begin his term. 598 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: Fast forward one year exactly to this morning. In the 599 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: visitors center of the U. S. Capital. That's where they 600 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: hold the leadership briefings. A room full of reporters at 601 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: least distanced in the age of COVID, with a lot 602 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: of questions about this. What happened after that speech? What 603 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: brought you down to morrow ago? Have you changed your 604 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: tunes so much in the last year? What you said 605 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: on the floors him saying that he was criticism love 606 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: to everyone on that day. I just played you the 607 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: cut from what he said a year ago, and so 608 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: we reassembled the panel. Jeannie Chanzano, Rick Davis with us. 609 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: Talk to me about this, genie. It's an evolution that 610 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: you may not be surprised by with Kevin McCarthy, but 611 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: it speaks to the power of Trump. It does. And 612 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: it was a very quick evolution, if you can even 613 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: call it that. It was just a couple of weeks 614 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: when he was down in Mara Lago and that changed 615 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: pretty much everything. And he has, you know, made it 616 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: clear that he has put his interest in becoming Speaker 617 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: of the House should they retake the House, and he 618 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: is convinced and so are many of his members, that 619 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: that is an impossibility if he does not kiss Donald 620 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: Trump's ring, and so that's what he has decided to do. 621 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: And on the on the other side in the Senate, 622 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: we heard last night from Lindsay Graham imploring Mitch McConnell 623 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: that he too, is going to be in danger if 624 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: he doesn't turn around his view about who won the elections. 625 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: So there is disarray on the Republican side in terms 626 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: of how to handle Donald Trump. But McCarthy has clearly 627 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: chosen which way he's gonna go, and he can't square 628 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: either of these statements. And now he's facing a likely 629 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: subpoena from the committee to testify. Well, I wonder if 630 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: that is going to happen. Rick Davis, more broadly, just 631 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: before we get that far, is this as simple as 632 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: it appears? Who got to Kevin McCarthy? Is there more 633 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: involved here? For you made that statement a year ago, UM, 634 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: saying that Donald Trump needed to have immediately Uh called 635 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: out the rioters. Um. He went down to marl Ago, 636 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: And I'm sure there was a a wood shed situation 637 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: where I'm sure Donald Trump, certainly from the reports we've heard, 638 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: said you want me to be involved in midterm elections, 639 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to start to tow the line I 640 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: am the Republican Party. And that was the Lindsay Graham 641 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: message more than anything about like the outcome of the election. 642 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham last night on Hannity took the opportunity to say, 643 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is still the Republican Party and if you 644 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: hope to make progress, Uh, he is going to be 645 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: the Republican Party in the future. We need to be 646 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: sensitive to what he wants to do. And you know, look, 647 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: I mean this is all trying to create relevance for 648 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, inspired by Donald Trump, and and pretty clear 649 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: a year later, Uh, the Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy has 650 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: bought into that and refused in this hearing, not the hearing, 651 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: but the press availabily to say anything negative about Donald 652 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: Trump's conduct a year ago. They on the sixth and 653 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: then and give the press, Uh, they're due. They worked 654 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: it hard, and he ignored them and just right to 655 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: his talking points. We had We had an old saying 656 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: in the McCain campaign in two thousand, spinning is lying, 657 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: and we had a lot of lying going on today. Wow, 658 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: listen to this. All right, Well, look, you've both mentioned 659 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham. I was on Handity last night Fox news 660 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: channels been a good twelve hours for Trump on TV. 661 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: Here he is, I like Center McConnell. He worked well 662 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: with the President Trump to get a bunch of judges, 663 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: including three three Supreme Court justices on the bench that 664 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: got the tax cuts pass working together. But here's the question. 665 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: Can Center McConnell effectively work with the leader of the 666 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: Republican Party Donald Trump. I'm not gonna vote for anybody 667 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: that can't have a working relationship with President Trump. Wow. 668 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: So well, by the way, that is, uh, that's an 669 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: anonymous vote, right they he could will never know who 670 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,439 Speaker 1: he votes for to be a majority leader. But there's 671 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: a big difference between Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy Jeanie, 672 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 1: isn't there? There is? And you know it's interesting because 673 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, Lindsay Graham had been something of a go 674 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 1: between between Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump for a long time, 675 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 1: and I think last night he stepped out and away 676 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: from many other Republicans in the set who have been 677 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: rallying around Mitch McConnell, and he said, not so fast. 678 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: If you don't fall in line here, you're going to 679 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: have a problem. And so I'm curious to see do 680 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: other Republicans follow suit. He may open the door for 681 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: other ones. You know, we had Mike Rounds out on 682 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: the Sunday Show. He got, you know, taken to the 683 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: woodshed to use ricks the phrase for suggesting that the 684 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: election was rightly decided. He had some support from Romney 685 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,439 Speaker 1: and McConnell and others, but Lindsey Graham is showing there 686 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: is a deep divide here and it may be exacerbated 687 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: as a result of what he said last night. The 688 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: way this is playing for you, Rick Davis, you know, 689 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell a completely different political animal than Kevin McCarthy, 690 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: while they are leaders in the same party. How is 691 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: he going to handle this? You know, I think he's 692 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: already shown us how he's gonna handle He's been brutally 693 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: uh consistent since January six one, and that is that 694 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: he expects to see and is anxious to learn what 695 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 1: the h January six Commission has to say. Uh. He 696 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: does not think of Donald Trump as the leader of 697 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. I think his belief is he is 698 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: probably the senior Republican elected official in America and that 699 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: that right bestows to him and and and he's got 700 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 1: a day job being the minority leader of the United 701 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: States Senate, and he does his day job. He doesn't 702 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: try to get ahead of that. But Rick Lindsay Graham 703 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: last night even faulted him if I had kept playing this, 704 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: faulted him for the two debt ceiling deals, as if 705 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: it was a disservice to the nation. What are Republicans 706 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: in the Senate actually think of Mitch McConnell. Forget Lindsay 707 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: Graham for a moment. Well, you know, he's able to 708 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 1: pull these tricks out of his sleeve, right. I mean, 709 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: he's a master Hill strategist. He is the the king 710 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: of process in the United States Senate. Uh and his 711 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: loyalty within the Republican Caucus has always been very consistently strong, 712 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: even in the darkest of days. I mean, there have 713 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: been times when we've lost a majority and in his 714 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: leadership has been questioned, and he keeps coming out back 715 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 1: on top. Those people who underestimate Mitch McConnell usually wind 716 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: up on the wrong end of the stick. And I 717 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: would say Lindsay's comments last night were kind of interesting. 718 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 1: It kind of reminded me of you know, sort of Caesar, 719 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, playing a fiddle while Mari Lago burned. Um. 720 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: When you look at the current polling, Donald Trump is 721 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: is only second to Joe Biden and losing popularity across 722 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: the country. I mean, voters are no more enamored with 723 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 1: Donald Trump as they are with Joe Biden right now, 724 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: and that includes Republican primary voters. And so I really 725 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: not sure everybody's looking at the future the same way 726 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: most Republicans are. And so it's a miscalculation though, I mean, 727 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 1: if that, why why would he have such an incredible 728 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: level of support in Washington if that were the case. Well, 729 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: I think that people. First of all, politicians are the 730 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,479 Speaker 1: last ones to usually get the memo on what voters want. 731 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: Uh and uh and and and that's why there's turnover 732 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: so often. Uh and And I think that that the 733 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: mid terms could actually be an interesting surprise because you know, 734 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: the former president is an doors a lot of Republicans 735 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 1: to oppose sitting members of the House and Senate. And 736 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: if those sitting members prevail, where's the beef? So, Jennie, 737 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: does this Does this say to you that the conventional 738 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: wisdom about four is off with Trump? Or does it 739 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: depend on how he performs in this mid term year. 740 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: I think it depends on how he performs in the 741 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: mid term year. But I would also say the calculation 742 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 1: they are making is that Donald Trump remains a very 743 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: popular amongst the base, and as long as we are 744 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,240 Speaker 1: in a primary season, they are going to be looking 745 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump because those are the people who are 746 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 1: going to get out to vote. And I thought Lindsey 747 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: Graham last night on the debt ceiling raised something very important, 748 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: very much like Chuck Schumer today. McConnell made a mistake 749 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: by drawing a red line. He couldn't keep on that, 750 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: and that is something that's going to come back to 751 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: haunt him a little bit, and it's something that did 752 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: raise questions amongst his members about what he was thinking 753 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: by making that promise. Looking forward here, uh, I'd love 754 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: to hear from both of you really quickly on where 755 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: we started. That's the voting rights legislation. There is going 756 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: to be an attempt, I guess to get a vote 757 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: on this. Chuck Schumer's going for it, Jennie in the 758 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: next couple of days. He is going for it. It's 759 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: going to line up with Martin Luther King's day, so 760 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: you can kiss your weekend goodbye. I think Joe Matthew 761 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: and you know, you know, unless something drastic and shocking changes, 762 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 1: he's not going to get it. And it's unfortunate. As 763 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: Kristen Cinema said, she supports the legislation, it's the filibuster 764 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: change she doesn't support. So you know, the the legislation 765 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: is important, but they're not going to get there at 766 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: this point unless something changes. Does he bring it to 767 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: the floor Wick knowing it will fail? You know, Uh, 768 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,919 Speaker 1: it's symbolism. So sure, I think it's what Jeannie said. 769 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: He's got Martin Luther King Holiday to do it on 770 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: and and he's gonna he's gonna walk out plank and 771 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,439 Speaker 1: have everybody do it. And then they'll say, oh see, 772 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: we could have we could have gotten this done if 773 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: if not for the filibuster. It's it's a bit of 774 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: a fantasy. It's not honest, but it's politics, and that's 775 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: he's looking for a political win and keep the base happy. 776 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 1: Is there another round on this genie? Or is that 777 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: the point here? It fails? Now go out and vote. 778 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: I can't imagine in another round this year. I think 779 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: it becomes much harder to do these things as the 780 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: year goes on, but you know, going forward, there really 781 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: should be particularly to restore preclearance. That's something that really 782 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: does need to happen. As the President said himself, if 783 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: we missed the first time, we could come back and 784 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: try it a second time. We missed this time, we 785 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,240 Speaker 1: missed this time, We missed this time, said the President 786 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: today on Capitol Hill. Thanks for spending the fastest hour 787 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: in politics with us. Big thanks as ever to Rick 788 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: and Jennie. Will see you back here tomorrow. I'm Joe Matthew. 789 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg