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Speaker 1: Welcome to thursdays edition a big Blue kickoff live here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot com. He is Jeff fiege Zam Lance Meno,

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Speaker 1: good to be with you, with you for the next

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes. Two zero one five one three is the

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Speaker 1: telephone number. You could also chime in on the conversation

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Speaker 1: via Twitter hashtag Giants Chat. So the Giants and the

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Speaker 1: Lions wrapped up three straight days of joint practices. Will

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Speaker 1: recap the latest Sae Kwon Barkley spoke to the media.

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Speaker 1: Will get to that. I will also get to your

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Speaker 1: phone calls at two zero one four five one three. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: let's start with today's final practice. And Pat Shermer earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week mentioned that they probably only gonna go

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Speaker 1: about two thirds speed, and probably even less than that

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Speaker 1: today given the fact that there are a day before

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Speaker 1: the game. But you know, this wrapped up three days

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Speaker 1: of seeing another team competing with another team, and you

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Speaker 1: have been in a lot of different joint practices over

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Speaker 1: the course of your career. There's pros and cons to it,

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Speaker 1: but I think the Giants felt they got a lot

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Speaker 1: out of it. Finally going up against some different competition

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Speaker 1: this week. I felt that This was a lot like

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Speaker 1: the old days of training camp where guys actually went away. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of a lot of teams don't

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Speaker 1: do that anymore. Of course, the Giants are here at

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Speaker 1: sparks a lot of camaraderie, guys getting together, doing things,

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Speaker 1: hanging out together. That that's old football, That's how it

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Speaker 1: used to be. Although it used to be six weeks

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Speaker 1: my point is that they're out there, they're they're they're

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Speaker 1: they're practicing against another team, which these joint practices have

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Speaker 1: come a long ways. I mean back way back in

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Speaker 1: the nineties when I was with Philly, we did these

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Speaker 1: types of things, even with the Cardinals, and um, they

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Speaker 1: always didn't turn out right. I think that today's practices,

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Speaker 1: the coaches get together, they understand that, you know, an

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Speaker 1: organization like the Giants are gonna spend a lot of time,

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Speaker 1: a lot of money going and flying the players out there,

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Speaker 1: putting them up in hotels. The staff is out there,

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Speaker 1: of it. Let's not waste it by getting in fights

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Speaker 1: and doing stupid things. So, um, if you've been able

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Speaker 1: to follow up coach Shermer all week, he's been talking about, uh,

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Speaker 1: practicing with you know, above the waist, not getting on

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Speaker 1: out and come out of this good these three weeks

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Speaker 1: so far. UM, I think that you know, se Quon

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Speaker 1: back in Philadelphia when I was with the Eagles and

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Speaker 1: we went out to this is when uh, Jerry Glanville

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Speaker 1: But my point to this whole thing is that you know,

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Speaker 1: And then you get you get a lot out of it.

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Speaker 1: And I really think that it's probably the best way

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Speaker 1: But they decided, you know what, Eli, Matt Stafford got

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Speaker 1: does Floyd Dixon ring a bell to you? You were

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Speaker 1: How are we doing? John? I was feeling the only

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Speaker 1: How did you know I have some of those. We're

427
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Speaker 1: just adding to the archives. That's what we're doing. That's

428
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Speaker 1: exactly right. And and again, John, I don't know how

429
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Speaker 1: how long you've been on the line, but I was

430
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Speaker 1: clearly stating that my memory, as we know, is not

431
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Speaker 1: the greatest. But I got the year right, all right.

432
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Speaker 1: I got the team right, and so I got We

433
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Speaker 1: now just need to find got the you know, that's

434
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Speaker 1: the mystery. Anyways, how you doing, John, I'm doing great.

435
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Speaker 1: How are you guys? We're doing all right? A rainy

436
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Speaker 1: day up there in Detroit. Yeah, we heard the weather

437
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 1: wasn't cooperating too much today. Yeah, it was kind of

438
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 1: like a light rain or a missed pretty much all morning.

439
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 1: So they shortened practice a little bit and I think

440
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Speaker 1: they cut about a half an hour off and maybe

441
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Speaker 1: forty minutes. Um. They still practice outside in that miss

442
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 1: but it was all like a half a quarter speed,

443
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Speaker 1: so there was no chance of injury or anything like that. Um.

444
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: And they and they did a lot of situational work.

445
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,479
Speaker 1: Was a lot of special teams stuff. Um. And it

446
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 1: was Jeff will appreciate this. It's a lot of those

447
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 1: little situations that come up in games that you want

448
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 1: to practice once or twice before you actually get into them.

449
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 1: So they did some stuff were like the punts were

450
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 1: backed up to the goal line and kick to get

451
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Speaker 1: the kick off without stepping on the end line. Another

452
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Speaker 1: one where they wanted to punter to run out of

453
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Speaker 1: bounds at the end of the game. UM. So they

454
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Speaker 1: practice that they practice mortar kicks, three kicks on side kicks,

455
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: um uh, running that made a thing where it's only

456
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Speaker 1: a few seconds up in the clock on the field

457
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Speaker 1: goal team at the run on the field and try

458
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Speaker 1: to kick a game winning field goal and then offense defensewise,

459
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 1: they try like hail Mary passes getting up and spiking

460
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: a ball with only a few seconds left in the cloth.

461
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: So it's a lot of those special situational and time

462
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Speaker 1: management things that Bowl teams worked on today. And you

463
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Speaker 1: know what it's it's you mentioned all that these special teams.

464
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Speaker 1: Quirky things happen, but they do. And you know, and

465
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Speaker 1: if you if you don't go if every if you

466
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: do not go over all of these things, you're getting

467
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 1: a game and you have no idea how it happens.

468
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Speaker 1: I'll give you a prime example of that we've got

469
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Speaker 1: And we went over this for years and years and years,

470
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Speaker 1: and it never happened to me until finally one year

471
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Speaker 1: against the forty niners. UM. We were playing at the

472
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Speaker 1: forty niners, and this rule came into effect in the

473
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Speaker 1: last two minutes of a game, two minutes of a half,

474
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Speaker 1: or two minutes of a game. If you punt and

475
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Speaker 1: the returner calls a fair catch. You can pick the

476
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Speaker 1: spot of where you caught the ball, okay, and kick

477
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Speaker 1: a field goal with no rush from the from the defense.

478
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Speaker 1: So free kick, and that it rarely ever happens. I

479
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: saw it happen one time with the Bears when Dave

480
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 1: Wanted was the head coach. But I didn't think they'd

481
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 1: ever and we'd be hit practice this and it sure enough.

482
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Speaker 1: I kicked the ball, they caught it, they got a

483
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Speaker 1: free kick and he missed it. Thank you. And you

484
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: can do that with zero seconds on the part, correct, yep,

485
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: as long as it's a fair catch. And then so

486
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: these a little things. And then you know you mentioned

487
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 1: that the punter running around the back of the end zone.

488
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: That's like if you're punting the end of the game,

489
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: there's six seconds left, you do not want to punt

490
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Speaker 1: the ball or have a block kick. You just run

491
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Speaker 1: around and right when the guy gets next to you,

492
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: you just step out of bound. Then he can't hit you. Now, now,

493
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: did you have did you ever have to do that

494
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Speaker 1: in a game? Jeff, Yes, I've done that in the game,

495
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: and I've also we've also done it in the game

496
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Speaker 1: unintentionally where where I'm in the end zone and the

497
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Speaker 1: ball snapped over my head, so I never even got

498
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Speaker 1: to to catch it, just like you forget about you

499
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Speaker 1: catching it. We're not even gonna this is this is

500
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: an ultimate insult, all right, Jeff, Listen, it's the end

501
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: of the game. We're just gonna snap the ball. There's

502
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Speaker 1: two seconds left. Just snap it over his head because

503
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: by the time it goes out of bounds and the

504
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Speaker 1: clock then it's good. So why why even you get

505
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Speaker 1: have a chance to you even catch it? What if

506
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Speaker 1: you get you drop it, So just spoo right over good.

507
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: They had no trust. And by the way, that's happened

508
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Speaker 1: a couple of times in my career when we weren't

509
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Speaker 1: even trying to do that. It was over my head

510
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Speaker 1: for a safety. Oh yeah, that's anyways. So it's it's

511
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: good and that's you know, it's a great time, uh,

512
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: to be able to go over all those situational stuff

513
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: and being able to do with the other team there,

514
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: so you kind of get it. You know, you can

515
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Speaker 1: look at other things. So you know from our all reports, John,

516
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: I haven't had a chance to talk to you. Um,

517
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: just hearing you on the MSG show yesterday. It sounds

518
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: like everything has been going great. Um, the guys have

519
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 1: been practicing well. Lance and I were discussing, you know,

520
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: the advantages and disadvantage of these joint practices on the road.

521
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: They'll work if guys, if the two teams understand how

522
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Speaker 1: to do it right. Yeah, and look, I think both

523
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: these coaches got through to their teams this week because

524
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Speaker 1: both teams were as professional and business like as you

525
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: possibly could be. I think both teams got a lot

526
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Speaker 1: out of this. We talked about it how three years

527
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: ago and Tom Coplin's last year, they went to practice

528
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: against Cincinnati. We came back saying, oh boy, this might

529
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Speaker 1: be a rough year. I did not get that sends

530
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Speaker 1: off these Detroit practices. Um, the starters for the Giants,

531
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: both on offense and defense, more than held their own. Um.

532
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: The things that I thought were the team's strengths I

533
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: think continue to be their strengths this week. And the

534
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: stuff that you have some questions about, I'm not sure

535
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: we got answers to those questions quite yet either. So

536
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: I still think there's a lot to prove. But it

537
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: was definitely a good week to get a good amount

538
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Speaker 1: of working in a different type of work, a little

539
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: bit more intense, but it makes a game situation a

540
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: little bit more against a different opponent, and I think

541
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Speaker 1: it will help the Giants moving forward. John any progress

542
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Speaker 1: in terms of some of the players that were banged up,

543
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Speaker 1: I know, say Kuon Barkley in the practice, but the

544
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: Dante Dion's, Darian Thompson's in the world. Any indication that

545
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: maybe they're moving forward. No, They're still on the side,

546
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: especially with the rain out today. I don't think they're

547
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: gonna mess around with UH, with any of the hurt guys.

548
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: So I think you hope when they get back on

549
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: the practice field next Monday, that those guys are ready

550
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: to do a little bit more and ready to work,

551
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: and you keep your fingers crossed that that's the case,

552
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: because these guys, look, Darion Thompson, if you want to

553
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: move ahead of Curtis Ryland, who seems to have least

554
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: for the time being cemented as spot of number one

555
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: safety UH, and then for Donte Dillon to get back

556
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: into the mix and pass b w Web who has

557
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: kind of cemented himself as the giants third best cornerback.

558
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: I think they need to get back on the field

559
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: and do it. I'm not worried about Sae Kwon Barkley.

560
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: He'll be fine whenever he's ready to go. Um and

561
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: and Connor Ball and who's a veteran, he'll be ready

562
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: to go whenever the Giants need him too. So um,

563
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: But for Dion and Darion Thompson fighting for you know,

564
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: prominent roles of the team, they better get healthy quick,

565
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: no question. Because that third preseason game, you know that's

566
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: the starters. They're playing three quarters into the third quarter

567
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Speaker 1: at least. And uh, you know, if you're a backup

568
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: and you are as they always say that cliche you

569
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: can't make the club and the tub, then you know

570
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: that's uh, you gotta be able to get on that

571
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: field and and show you can you can be especially

572
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Speaker 1: at that safety position. I mean Curtis Riley, who didn't

573
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: play last week, as we know, has been on the field.

574
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: I think that's been a it's been advantageous for him

575
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Speaker 1: to be able to practice with the Detroit Lions all

576
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Speaker 1: this week and be able to play this game leading

577
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: up to it. So that's a fierce competition. What about

578
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: the receiving position, John, anything uh that stood out from

579
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: you from this Uh, this group, I mean it's thick.

580
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot of them. I don't know who after

581
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: after Cody Latimer, I don't know who's going to make

582
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: this team. Well, I can tell you that Odell Beckham Jr.

583
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: Is impossible to cover for people not wearing a giant uniform.

584
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: To um, he gets open every once. He was great

585
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: all week. Uh stoving Shepherd again, he he got open

586
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: to very difficult to cover. Um. Roger Lewis caught a

587
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 1: couple of passes. But I continue to like the special

588
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: team's work. I think his work as a gunner and

589
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: the first preseason game was terrific. Up. I think Jeff

590
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: that can really solidify a spot on the roster for him. Um.

591
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: I think Hunter sharp aside from those two drops in

592
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: the preseason game, which you don't like to see, I

593
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: think he's played pretty solid football. And I think Cody

594
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: Lattimer says has has done some good things too. So UM,

595
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: I think that to me, those are the five guys

596
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: right now. The other guys have a shot to you know,

597
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: do something and maybe make a little bit of a

598
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: run here. But to me, at least in my opinion,

599
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: those are my clear cut top five Okay. Yeah, and

600
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: you never know if you've got a long ways ago

601
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: before September nine or whenever that you know, whatever the

602
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: date is, that the first game is a night. Yeah, No,

603
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: you're right, it's the ninth. Well, one name you did

604
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: image you John, though, is Calif Raymond who you know,

605
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: speaking of special teams like Roger Lewis, he's been a

606
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: guy too, could very well hammer out a spot if

607
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 1: he could show consistency as a receiver as well as

608
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: consistency on the special teams front. Yeah, and I think

609
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: that that's the second part Lance that's most important. It's

610
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: the consistency on the special teams. If the giants like

611
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, Lattimer and Sharp just as much or better

612
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: as returners, Raymond cantonally help you on coverage team. He

613
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: just not big enough, you know. So I'm not sure

614
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: what the rest of his role is going to be.

615
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: That's going to be his challenge. So I think Raymond

616
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: Knew needs to separate himself at the return man and

617
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: then maybe that will allow him as a receiver. And

618
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: I think as a receiver he's right on the same

619
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,959
Speaker 1: level of those other guys, but he needs to give

620
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: you something else in those other areas, and I don't

621
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: think we've seen enough from from him in those spots yet.

622
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: I would expect him to be the primary punt end

623
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: or kick returner in one of these preseason games to

624
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: give him a shot to kind of show these coaches

625
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: what they can do well. You know another guy on

626
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: that topic that I don't think we talk enough about,

627
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: and he's got a connection to ghetto man in Carolina,

628
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: is what about Russell Shepherd. You know there's another one

629
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Speaker 1: John who also has special teams in his background, who

630
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: has a lot more height than Caliver Raymond because he's

631
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: six one. Yet everybody seems to not necessarily take him

632
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: into consideration because we always talk about the Roger Lewis

633
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: is and the Cody Latimer's in the world. But Shepherd's

634
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: a polished veteran. This is somebody that's been around the

635
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: NFL for some time. He is looking. The Giants don't have,

636
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: you know, a ton of wide receivers with a lot

637
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: of height. Um, their two biggest guys are Marquees Bundy

638
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: and Alonzo Russell, who are really their tallest guys on

639
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: this roster. I'll give you the numbers in the second

640
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Speaker 1: as I load up my roster page that Alonso Russell

641
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: six three two oh six out of those bigger guys,

642
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: I think Alonso Russell's number eighty four, for the fans

643
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: that have been out of practice, has probably looked the

644
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: best out of that group. But you're right, Um, Shepherd's

645
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: a guy that was with Ghettoman in Carolina. He has

646
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: some NFL experience. And these are the guys that they

647
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: don't just have to be good enough lance they need

648
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: to do things to make the coach's notice. And you

649
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: know what, maybe we need to take a second look

650
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: and and kind of reconsider these guys who have been

651
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: in that with the third team in practice much more

652
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: than the second team, and those are the guys that

653
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: really need to do something impactful in these preseason games.

654
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: To have the front office, personnel department and coaching that

655
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: take a second look at we'll see. I mean that

656
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: goes for every position, for those backups, you know, the

657
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: back end of the roster. It's really what's preseason is

658
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: all about. In my opinion, I think it's it's it's

659
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: finding those ten extra guys that are going to make

660
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: the team every year. That Um, when you really look

661
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: at it comes down to where they play a lot. Yeah,

662
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: but they're not going to play in their position. It's

663
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: usually special teams. And you know, we talk about it

664
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 1: all the time, but that is the significant difference between

665
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: guys making it and not making it, is how good

666
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: they do on specials. We can't say it enough. And

667
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: I know that when you're a young guy coming into

668
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: the league, you were, you so desperately want to come

669
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: in and make a splash at your position. It's very

670
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: difficult if you're not a first four round draft pick.

671
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: You gotta come in and play special teams and work

672
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: your way up. Yeah, I agree, and I think Jeff,

673
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: because of all the good reps, you know, the first

674
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: team guy has got in practice this week against the Liva,

675
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: pointed the Lions, I would not be supplied that we

676
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: saw a lot of the second and third teamers in

677
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: the second preseason game, and maybe the way they substitute

678
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: is gonna look a look a lot like a lot

679
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: more like part of the preseason game four than it

680
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: would preseason game number three. So it would not Again,

681
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything. I haven't talked to the coaches,

682
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: But if you think of it logically, and these guys

683
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: got a lot of good live reps against an opponent

684
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: this week, Why put them out there and risk them

685
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: um in some sort of injury situation in the game

686
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: on Friday night against the lines of tackling. So I

687
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: think we're gonna see a lot of the twos and

688
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: threes on Friday from Pat Summer in the step. That's

689
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: just my guess. Yeah, I agree, And Jeff, you even

690
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: brought that up earlier in the show when we were Yeah,

691
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: I mentioned to John, and I think I could remember

692
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: as you were John, Remember, I think it was you John,

693
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: I told you about the uh how the Rams and

694
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens did the same thing. And then the

695
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: Rams didn't even play any of their starters for the

696
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: for that game because they had seen enough during the

697
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: week of practices they didn't want to go and and

698
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: and and take any chances in the game about getting

699
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: guys hurt. So it's a good philosophy. I think that

700
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: really from an evaluation standpoint, they got a lot of

701
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: a lot of work, a lot of evaluation for these

702
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: players during the Really the bulk of the two practices today, well,

703
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: you know it's not so much, but they have to

704
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: be there anyways, because they got to play the game tomorrow. Absolutely, John, Yeah, absolutely,

705
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: all right, we will speak to you. I'm sure we

706
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: will see you tomorrow tomorrow, but we will hear you tomorrow. Yes,

707
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: I will hear with respect to the giants, And you

708
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be shortly texting and email me if

709
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: I have the radio rundown done yet, I will be working.

710
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: I will be working on that shortly. That is my

711
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: afternoon project for the next three hours. So hopefully I

712
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: have everything ask you guys by five o'clock differ taken.

713
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: We'll we'll have Wayne Goldman was our pregame interview on

714
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: UCBS News Radio eight eighty starting at six o five

715
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,239
Speaker 1: on Friday, and Pat Shermer will interview tomorrow at our

716
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: production meeting, and you'll hear from the head coach to

717
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: the n YG on that pregame show as well. And

718
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: of course the Tino arrives today. So I was watching

719
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: outside and they have a bunch of construction crews trying

720
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: to smooth out the sidewalks a little bit for him.

721
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: When he gets here. He has that runway to really

722
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: kind of get his speed going on those walks of

723
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: his So those are any tripping incidents, there's no lawsuits,

724
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: and Paul have a good area to be able to

725
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: stretch out up the legs. Well, we told him that

726
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: he couldn't walk to Detroit, he wouldn't make it in time,

727
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: so we put him on the plane. Yeah, he was

728
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: a little disappointed in that. But considering John, you mentioned

729
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: the other day that you're not staying close to the city,

730
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: so you sure that he has ample time and space

731
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: to do what he needs to do, because I would think, Yeah,

732
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: I mean, yesterday I had to get back from practice

733
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: and I finished my writing. There's not a whole lot

734
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: to do around here at night in this particular suburb

735
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: of Detroit that we're in, um, which is about twenty

736
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: and twenty five minutes away from the city. A fellow

737
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 1: co worker and I took literally like a four mile

738
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: like our hour or so walk, so there is plenty

739
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: of sidewalk around the hotel here. Paul to get his

740
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: He should be fine. He is going to be on

741
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: cloud nine when he gets it. I wish I knew

742
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 1: that information to tell him before he got on the plane,

743
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: because I saw him this morning, and I mean he

744
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: was obviously bubbly as he always is, but this would

745
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: have just sent him skyrocketing. Just sure you walk into

746
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: the right neighborhood over there in Detroit, you know what

747
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean, to have a lot of nervous energy too.

748
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: You know he call a step back with Davis Web

749
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: performance in game number one. You know this is this

750
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: is this is just isn't a point of a game

751
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: for Detino, It is for Web you know what I mean? Oh, yeah,

752
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: we know what you mean. Yeah, I mean, God forbid

753
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: if Totino is wrong on anything, right, I don't want

754
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: to go there forgot to wait to blame you for it. Yeah,

755
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: there will be That's okay, though, I don't care. I

756
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: really don't. You know that anybody can blame me for

757
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: whatever they want. It doesn't matter to me. I know

758
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: that I didn't do it and I didn't say it.

759
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: All right, So that means tomorrow we'll get an update

760
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: on Paul Detino's stroll throughout Motown. In addition, he calls

761
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: him the Nike five. It might be a Nike fifteen

762
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: it maybe. Yeah, they'll add a mile for every second

763
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: of boredom that he has out there. All right, John

764
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: will stay stage ey there, Buddy will talk to you

765
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: tomorrow on the pre game tomorrow. Boys. All right, Josh

766
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: Milk from Detroit. The latest in terms of what is

767
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: happening how to practices, They just wrapped up their third

768
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: straight day of joint practice. Is now we're gonna open

769
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: up the phone lines to you on the line quickly. So, um,

770
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: I'm just going to just show you this. So this

771
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: is from my dad by the way. Okay, Hi, watching

772
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: your show today, enjoying it Dad, Hi Dad, how are

773
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: we doing? Hello? Mr Pops is in u in Phoenix, Arizona.

774
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: So we were getting watched all the way from the

775
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: West coast. So I want to say hello to Dad.

776
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: Very nice. So there you go. I'm sure he enjoyed

777
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 1: you reminiscing about your playing days, especially earlier. He probably

778
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: could tell much surprise. He may have not known who

779
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: the player, Probably he probably does. He probably does trying

780
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: to figure out who wore a number that started with

781
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: an E for the Atlanta Falcons and who did Jeff

782
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: Eagles lay out. If anybody has some archival footage or

783
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: could track down something on YouTube, we'd welcome you to

784
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: chime in here on the program. And I'm sure that

785
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: there's there's some debate on what the word laid out means.

786
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: Like to me, I laiter them out. Well, I mean, listen,

787
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: I think it's crystal clear based on your destrybody of

788
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: my watch it and go. That's not mean you didn't

789
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: lay anybody. You put your shoulder into his shoulder. But

790
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: if he goes flying as you say, went splattered out

791
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: on the ground, there's no literally what I'm said, There's

792
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: no question that he was. He was off his feet. Now,

793
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: who is the Philadelphia Eagle that got that hit on you?

794
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: That would be a one. Jeremiah tro Jeremiah tro Yes,

795
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: now that I know is on YouTube because I've seen that,

796
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: and that that I know that. I got my own rule,

797
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: that Jeff Feagles rule, which is an official NFL rule

798
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: that you are not allowed to hit a kicker or

799
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: punter unless they are within I think it might be

800
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna think it's fifteen or twenty yards of

801
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: the play. But that's fine because I never really ever

802
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: got up that close to a game. I was never

803
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 1: that didn't matter. So I was hit thirty or forty

804
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: yards away from the play, and now I was, I

805
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: was laid out and out. And this was way before

806
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: the concussion protocol ever came into course. When I remember,

807
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: I don't remember even going back in the game or

808
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: even how he getting home that day. See, they just

809
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: back in the day. They just gave you the smelling salt. Yeah,

810
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: how many figures? Somebody was whispering in my ears, say

811
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: three three? See, I don't think you appreciated enough, Jeff,

812
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: the sacrifices that for every other punter and kicker that

813
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: was ever going to suit up in the National Football League,

814
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: what you had to take from Jeremiah Trotter. I just

815
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: I don't think it's appreciated to this day enough. The draw,

816
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: the tickling sensation, it's just unbelieved it. It's remarkable. I

817
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: still get like a clicking noise in my jaw. That's

818
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: what it's from, boy, Jeremiah Trotter. Why it was such

819
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: as anybody, not only that it was such a great kick,

820
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean it was like over forty five yards, like

821
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: two yards from the sideline to Sean Jackson. I'm like,

822
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: there's no way this fool is going to even think

823
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: about returning this, And sure enough he did, and he

824
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 1: reversed the field. And that's how when when a kick comes,

825
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: when a turner comes all the way across the field.

826
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: You've got to start turning this way, and you don't.

827
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: You don't ever see what's coming from the left hand side.

828
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: What it takes. That would be number whatever. Jeremy I

829
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: think it was fifty four. Was Jeremiah Trotter? I know

830
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: he's a fifties Well he certainly wasn't at eight. I'll

831
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: tell you that. You you knock out the eights, the fives,

832
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: do the other knock out any number exactly. That's what

833
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: they do for a living. Last night check. So we're

834
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: gonna go to my man, Pete. That's right, two, one, five,

835
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: one three. Let's open up the lines. You got Pete,

836
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, Pete. Let me ask you, Hey, Pete,

837
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Ah? Hey you Pete? But you

838
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: bet Pete to the spot today. I think you know

839
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: it's possible that can cut protocol back then. You know,

840
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: maybe it was that blast that you gave the guy.

841
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: You know you kind of lost it and you forgot

842
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 1: over the years. You know you don't know that's Hey,

843
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: that is a great, great point. No wonder, I have

844
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: no memory. You blamed Jeremiah trial. He should go ahead first,

845
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: he's shoulder. I don't know it was legal hit. I

846
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: only hit legally and I knocked him out. I mean

847
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: he was dawn listen. I love nothing more to see this.

848
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: Did you tell me too? I would love to see

849
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: it too. I want you. I should have said after

850
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: after he was down, like hey, how are you doing now?

851
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: What's going on? I said, it would be great if

852
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: you taunted him after it? So what else you got

853
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: for us? Pete? I wanted to go into the tight

854
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: ends a little bit. Um, You know what I think?

855
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: I really I've been talking about this for months with

856
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: a few of the guys, and I really believe that

857
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: red Ellison is going to have a huge role as here.

858
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: And what I mean by you role is I think

859
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: he's going to be lined up as an H back.

860
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be lined up on the

861
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: offensive line for chip blocks. I think he's gonna be

862
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: running routes out of the H H back position. I

863
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: also think he's gonna be running rounds off the offensive line,

864
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: and I also think he's gonna be running routes out

865
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: of the slot. I really believe they're gonna because he

866
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: was certainly under utilized last year. There's no question about

867
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: that um and I think in this particular kind of offense,

868
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a major card. I really do,

869
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: especially with the chip blocks. What do you guys think?

870
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: I agree? And I'll tell you for one reason, and

871
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: to let me bring out my flip card. Here here

872
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: we go, all right? If you if you look at

873
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: this flip card here, it is all right on this

874
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: on the Giants offense, it says on here, where is it?

875
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: They have two tight ends listed, okay, and only two receivers, right,

876
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: that's right. So that tells you that they are going

877
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: to use red Ellison in this offense a lot. Look

878
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: at this tight end tight end all right? Last year

879
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: they didn't use this, They had one tighten. So this

880
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: offense and Pat Shermer's way of matchups, that's what it's

881
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: all about. They're gonna use red Ellison. If you match

882
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: up and you can't and you're gonna try to cover

883
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: Evan Ingraham, Sterling Shepard and O'Dell Beckham with two tight

884
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: end sets, you're gonna have to cover the other guy too,

885
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: and you got And it's all about matchups. It's all

886
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: about position. It's all about personnel and where you line

887
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: him up, and I agree with you, Pete. I think

888
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: that you will see him in all of those positions.

889
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: I think that um Shane Smith is gonna be a

890
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna make this team as a fullback slash

891
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: tight end. But I think you'll see more of him

892
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: in the fullback position, but you'll see red Ellison in

893
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: the backfield. Well, here was one thing that's very interesting

894
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: to what you're pointed to and what Pete asked. If

895
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: you would have told me, or if I would have

896
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: told you this, Jeff, that Red Ellison played double the

897
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: amount of snaps in two thousand seventeen with Ben McAdoo

898
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: than he did with Pat Shermer and the Vikings coaches

899
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: to have in two thousand sixteen, would you have believed me,

900
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: because that's what happened. He actually he played Phoby. He

901
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: played fifty percent to the snap fest year. I just

902
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: looked it up, whereas with the Vikings in two thousand

903
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: sixteen only pay to the snap I think coming in

904
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: when he when he was signed by the Giants, I

905
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: think he had only he caught a pass. Yeah, he

906
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: was very rarely used as an offensive target. He was

907
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: more as a blocker. Adrid Peter. Remember last year in

908
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: the preseason they used him a lot and we were

909
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: kind of getting excited, like wow, look at this, and

910
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: then they know they kind of went away from him

911
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: a little bit during the season. But I don't think

912
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: that's going to be the case this year. I think

913
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: they're going to use him. I agree, and I think,

914
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: like I said, point, I would have never thought that

915
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: he had that many snaps in terms of about fifty

916
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: percent last year. So if he got fifty percent last

917
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: year and he wasn't even a starter listed in the

918
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: double tight information, I don't see why those numbers can't

919
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: increase if they do stick to a lot of two

920
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: tight end sets this season. Yeah, and I agree with that,

921
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: and I think also, like I said, I think he's

922
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: gonna be running routes at the position. I really we do.

923
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: And you know, we certainly can catch the ball, there's

924
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: no question about it, questions and he's a good blocker,

925
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: and I can see him on the offensive Wine, especially

926
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: because Flowers are still a question marks. There's no doubt

927
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: about it, he's still a question work. So I can

928
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: see him on the offensive Wine with chip blocks there

929
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: to help out and with a little bit of a

930
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: chip block can still go out in the route at

931
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, just get his chip and

932
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: then run his you know, run his route. And I

933
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: quite frankly, I think he's gonna be a major cog

934
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: and my breakout play over the year, it's gonna be

935
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: Stirling I have if you go up, if you just

936
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: match up, if you just go off of what Feelings

937
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: did with him last year, and that was the first

938
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: year that he was in the slot because he was

939
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: outside the year before and Shermer. I read an interview

940
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: with with Mike Zimmer and he said it was Shermer's

941
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: recommendation to move Feeling into the slot. And you look

942
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: up last years and yeah, the Pro Bowl season again,

943
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, And I think Sterling is going to

944
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: be the breakout player in the year on offense. I

945
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: really believe that, because you know what, they're probably gonna

946
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: try and double o b J. They're gonna roll their

947
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: defense to b J, and that's going to open the

948
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: field up for strowing. That's the way I see it.

949
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: And I really believe bred Allison is going to be

950
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: a major cog in the offense's j I really do. Alright, guys,

951
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: take the rest and appreciate the thanks. Right. I hope

952
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: I find that sporters, because yeah, if you do listen,

953
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: if you if you find it, Pete, you make sure

954
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: you said us a link, because I think we all

955
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: want to see it it. Don't keep it to yourself,

956
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: all right, Even better, we'll put it on the double tron.

957
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: I like that idea. Yeah, throwing a TV time out

958
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: might stop everybody in there too. They won't be able

959
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: to concentrate on the rest of the game. And after

960
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: they get a look at what Jeff Eagles does. Yeah,

961
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: thank you actually and appreciate the phonecal Pete. They may

962
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: not allow you in the suits that you normally walk

963
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: around with before the game because they may be a

964
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: little intimidating. Who knew that Fiagels had such toughness in him.

965
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: I do like what he's talking about. And I also

966
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: think that Sterling Shepherd, you know, he's healthy. Last year

967
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: he was hurt. I think he was hurt all year. Um,

968
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: I know he didn't play in in five games or whatever,

969
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: but I think that he was. I think he's healthy,

970
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: and I tell you it's it's a little bit contagious.

971
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: I mean, just think about this when when you're out

972
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: there practicing with with O'Dell and you're watching him every

973
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: single day and every single drill and everything that he does. Um,

974
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a rub off scenario here.

975
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean you start looking at the moves that O'Dell

976
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: is doing, not that he can ever do do all

977
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: of them, but you start to understand how he gets

978
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: separation and some of the moves that he does. You

979
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: start looking at some of these routes that that Sterling

980
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: Shepherd is running. They're very similar to how Odell Beckham

981
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: runs his routes. Nothing wrong with that. I mean they're successful, Okay.

982
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: He's just gotta stay healthy, just like everybody else. And

983
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: I think that he will have a good year. And

984
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: I think because I think they have the right coach

985
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: to put him. Coach Shermer is a smart guy. He

986
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: he basically lines up personnel to that matches their ability

987
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: and puts them in in situations to succeed. So in

988
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: certain games and certain matchups, you're gonna see O'Dell here,

989
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: and Sterling has Shephard here, and Evan Ingram here and

990
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: Red Allison. It's all about matchups and and and trying

991
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: to to win by defeating the other team's defense and

992
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: putting him in positions. Well, I think Shepherds a great

993
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: candidate for a breakout player of the year in terms

994
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: of the last Cohlers comparison, Dada Feeling, Feeland's got a

995
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: little bit more size. So that's one thing you have

996
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: to take the consideration. And the other thing is they're

997
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: moving all of these wide receivers around this year, Jeff.

998
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: They're not telling Sterling and Odell you're gonna be only

999
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: here as opposed to the slack didn't make it sure everybody,

1000
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: Remember we talked about those pitions. Tyke Toilbert is making

1001
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: and and coach Shechrmer is making every one of the

1002
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: receivers play and learn every position it so that when

1003
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: injuries come around. I've got Odell, I've got Sterling Shepherd

1004
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: that can play outside if something happens, and vice versa.

1005
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,919
Speaker 1: So that's that's a good thing. Yep. The versatility will

1006
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: certainly be a benefit for this Giant's office because I

1007
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: think they're of the perspective, Jeff, compared to last year

1008
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: when Beckham went down, Marshall went down, Shepherd went down.

1009
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: If you have the back end of your receiving corps

1010
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: well diversed in terms of knowing all the positions, then

1011
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: you could plug in them anywhere you want, as opposed

1012
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: to saying, hey, you know what, Cody Landimer is only

1013
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: an outside guy, can't play the slot, So who do

1014
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: we then move inside? If everybody's familiar with both spots,

1015
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: then you pick and choose who you want to line

1016
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: up there, because you you could get in a game

1017
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: situation where you don't have the luxury of pulling somebody

1018
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: off the practice squad or whatever. You gotta go with

1019
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: what you got that game. And if you're if your

1020
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: receivers know every position, then you're not you know, you're

1021
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: not stuck with two hands tied behind your back and say,

1022
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: oh god, how are we gonna get somebody to play slot?

1023
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: We don't even know they don't even know the position.

1024
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: That's what That's what that UH pretty much guards against.

1025
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: And as far as red Ellison being more heavily involved

1026
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: in terms of running routes, I don't know if I

1027
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: would go that far, Jeff, I could see him, Yeah,

1028
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: I mean I don't foresee that happening. The reason being

1029
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: is because you still have him an ingroom on the team. Yeah,

1030
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: And I mean red Ellison is a guy that he's

1031
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: he's an auxiliary, he's an outlet. So if if you're

1032
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: in your third or fourth progression and there's red Ellison,

1033
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: he's going to get the football. Red Ellison is not

1034
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: gonna in your in the in the huddle. You're gonna

1035
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: get in there, and red Ellison's your number one receiver.

1036
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: Okay um. And you never know when you get up

1037
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage, and if you're a quarterback

1038
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 1: and you look at you scan the defense and see

1039
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: where everybody's matched up, the mismatch you may see might

1040
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: be red Ellison. He might be on a on a

1041
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: short corner or somebody like that. Then there's your matchup.

1042
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna go to him. That's probably what's gonna happen. Yeah,

1043
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: that'll be a security blanket, and he could end up

1044
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: being a guy that you dump it off to on

1045
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: third down if you need to move the chains and

1046
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: get a first down. I'm looking at his numbers, and

1047
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: this is why it's import to at least have some perspective.

1048
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: You're talking about a player who, first of all, his

1049
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: career high in a single season is nineteen receptions last year, right,

1050
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: Uh No, that was back in two thousand four teen. No,

1051
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: twenty four, you're right, I stand correct, and I'm looking

1052
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: at his Vikings numbers. He had twenty four last year.

1053
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: That is a career high, And you're right, Jeff, that

1054
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: was last year. His high though with the Vikings was

1055
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: nineteen in two thousand fourteen, so ninety four not a

1056
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: huge difference. Twenty four is the most. I mean, do

1057
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: the math. He had twenty four catches in sixteen games,

1058
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: and he had two thirty five yards, and he had

1059
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Speaker 1: two touchdowns, which was also a career high. He had

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00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: a career high last year. Twenty four receptions was a

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00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: career high. Receiving yards as a career high. Touchdowns was

1062
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: a career high. So that was his career high. Could

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00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: he surpass all those numbers? I don't think it's crazy.

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00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: I mean, could he get thirty receptions this year? Could

1065
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: he get three touchdowns? Could he get three hundred receiving yards? Absolutely,

1066
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: But it's not as if those numbers are astronomical that

1067
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: he's gonna be putting up Kyle Rudolph the Vikings tight

1068
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: end esque numbers. I've when he go that far, I

1069
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: think they look at him as sort of a jack

1070
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: of all trades as you were alluding to Jeff. They

1071
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: look at him as, hey, if he's a guy we

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00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: can line up out of the backfield to make some

1073
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: holes for, say Kwon Barkley. Great. He could help the

1074
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: offensive line, great. He could be a third down security

1075
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 1: blanket re line manning. Great. But I don't see them

1076
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: saying to themselves that Red Ellison's gonna be line it

1077
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: up you know x amount the times that we're gonna

1078
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: be you know, drawing up some place for him. I

1079
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: would not go that far. He's not out with his

1080
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: hand down and you know, you know, like hey over here.

1081
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: But he's a situational player. I will be putting no

1082
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: situations and and as as far as the matchups and

1083
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: those types of players are ideal in the red zone

1084
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: when you're knocking on the door in the end zone

1085
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: because he's a big target Jason Witten exactly, you know

1086
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: how to get open well or even I was gonna

1087
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: say against the Browns, David the joku in terms of

1088
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: what he did the Browns tight end and speaking in

1089
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: the Joku. As impressive as his performance was against the Giants,

1090
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get off topic here and ramping

1091
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: those two touchdowns. How about Jeff And we talked about

1092
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: this on the postgame show from Miami. Yeah, well, yes,

1093
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: that goes without saying I'm sorry. That's where I should

1094
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: have started starting. Well, No, I was going more a

1095
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: connection to your way. I wasn't going to Miami connection.

1096
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: I was going to special teams route. He made a

1097
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: spectacular open field tackle. He's very athletic, and that's why

1098
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: they drafted him in the first round. I mean, he's

1099
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: a guy that can, you know, go down there and

1100
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: make tackles. He's special player. He really is um and

1101
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: and and from that position. I was listening to the

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00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: Browns uh postgame show. I don't know where I had on,

1103
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: but they were saying, how you know, that's just the

1104
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: way he practices too. He is so he's so good,

1105
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: especially in the red zone, and he does he does

1106
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: the right thing. I know who. It wasn't the postgame.

1107
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: It was as to the postgame, after postgame afterno after

1108
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: what do they have a three hour postgame show? No,

1109
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: that came out wrong. Not the postgame show. We were

1110
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: doing the post games. I was gonna say Jeff, where

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00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: were you post game? After the game? After okay, who's

1112
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: the quarterback? Oslost? We had him on our show from Alliance. Um,

1113
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: I guess he's doing some ESPN. Yeah he is. He

1114
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 1: was doing very good analysis. Um. He was saying that

1115
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: he had broken down. They're one of the touchdowns that

1116
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: he that he caught, and he said, if this guy

1117
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: can do this type of work during the season, he's

1118
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: gonna be really really good. He's already really good. So

1119
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: you have to tell me that. No, well, he's from Miami,

1120
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: I mean the minute. For God's sake, Greg Olsen is

1121
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 1: from there. I mean, we got all kinds of guys

1122
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: come shocky, I need to keep going. I was gonna mention,

1123
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: do you still mention Kellen Winslow? Is that allowed? Of course?

1124
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: And everything? Okay, I just I wasn't sure whether you,

1125
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: you know, kept him as part of the fraternity. We

1126
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: kind of do you kind of do? Okay, all right,

1127
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: I mean let me tell you we use his name

1128
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: if if it's going to get us over the top,

1129
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: if we're head to head with another school, and he

1130
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: got well, you know, we didn't bring up this guys,

1131
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: so that that's what I think that's very fair in

1132
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: terms of when you choose to carefully select his name.

1133
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: The guys from Miami are fair. We're fair people, so

1134
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: it's fair. There's no bias whatsoever brought in today, whatsoever.

1135
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: Miami's the greatest. No. I well, I just had that

1136
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: in case we get some breaking news from the NFL front.

1137
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: By the way, two zero one three is the telephone number.

1138
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: Still have a few minutes left of the program if

1139
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: you want to give us a ring talk about anything

1140
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: Giants related. We're also monitoring Twitter hashtag Giants chat. But

1141
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: the reason I brought up the special teams point Jeff

1142
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: with respect to David and Joeku, and it goes back

1143
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: to what we were talking about with John. If somebody

1144
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: Friday night makes a play like Kerry Wind did when

1145
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: Kerry Win knocked the ball loose and they were able

1146
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: to recover the fumble, you know, those are the types

1147
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: of plays you're looking for out of wide receivers, linebackers,

1148
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: guys who were battling for those fourth and fifth spots,

1149
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: because it's not just about making the flashy return. It's

1150
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: about hey, maybe you make a great tackle and that

1151
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: and to go one step further. Um when you break

1152
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 1: down the film, a lot of times on special teams,

1153
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: you're not the guy to force the fumble. You're not

1154
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: the guy to recover the fumble or the guy that

1155
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: made the great hit. You're the guy that sets up

1156
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: for a player to make one of those plays. And

1157
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: for instance, uh, the gunners at positions running down on

1158
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: a punt um, you're getting mall going down there and

1159
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: you're double teams. You're doing everything you can to fight

1160
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: your way through there. You may not be able to

1161
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: make that tackle, but you got down there, you busted

1162
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: your butt, and you're down there in front of the

1163
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: return or where the you forced the return to the

1164
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: inside where the gunner on the other side beat his

1165
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: two guys and the returner never saw him and he

1166
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: blew them up and the ball comes out. So my

1167
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: point is is that not only do you have to

1168
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: you don't have to make tackles and things like that.

1169
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: You just gotta play good and you have to understand

1170
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: your positions on the field, your your responsibilities. When you're

1171
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: running down on kickoffs, if you're in R one and

1172
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: L five, whatever the numbers are that you line up,

1173
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: you have responsibilities and gap in integrity getting down to

1174
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: where you're If you're an R two or you're out

1175
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: of position and they jack one for a touchdown, the

1176
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: first person they're gonna look at is this guy. What

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00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: are you doing, Lance Meadow running down the middle of

1178
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: the field when you're supposed to be contained. So that's

1179
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: my point that it's not all about xs and ohs,

1180
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 1: it's about understanding where you're supposed to be in a play.

1181
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: There's a ten guys covering kicks. Okay, you don't count

1182
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 1: the kicker or the punter because we're not really part

1183
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: of that, but the other ten guys that are going

1184
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: down there, you have a responsibility and you have integrity.

1185
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: You've gotta be where you're supposed to be and as

1186
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: soon as somebody's out of line, and that's how things happen.

1187
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: So my point is those guys, if you don't make

1188
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: a play, at least don't make a mental mistake, and

1189
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: maybe you can be the guy that causes an effect

1190
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: to have the fumble recovery or something else of that matter.

1191
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: Do something that could at least for your teammate. Like

1192
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 1: when I get my grade at the end of the

1193
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: day and I have no tackles, but my grade is

1194
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: a undred percent. Why did I get graded out a

1195
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: hundred percent? Because every every one of the plays that

1196
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: if I twelve thirteen special teams places I graded out.

1197
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: My assignments were good, my responsibilities were good. I have

1198
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: no negatives. Then that's how I do it. So that's

1199
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: all you could ask for. And the coaches see that.

1200
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: They start, they get the grades for every every game,

1201
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: every play, they grade him down there. And if your

1202
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: name is at the top for grades, and repeatedly your

1203
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: name is up there at the top, that's gonna tell

1204
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: me guys knows what he's doing. There are there is

1205
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: in a coach in football that will take a guy

1206
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: ability over the over a guy that's smarter. Okay, I

1207
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: would take smart over ability any day, because the ability

1208
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: guy is gonna get me in trouble if he's not smart,

1209
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: because the smart guy will know his assignments. He's gonna

1210
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: know where supposed to be. And if I'm a coach

1211
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: and I know that the free safety is supposed to

1212
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: be here, right, I'm a coach, and I know that

1213
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: the the lineman is supposed to pull in this play

1214
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: and get up in his gap and hit this, you

1215
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: know the will linebacker whatever it is, and he's not

1216
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: doing it plays over. But if he doesn't have the

1217
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: greatest ability and is the smartest one of smarter players

1218
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: in the team, I'm gonna take him. I will take him.

1219
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,959
Speaker 1: I will everybody, you know, because well we just talked

1220
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: about all sorts of the things that don't show up

1221
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: at a box score. The only way you're telling those

1222
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: things is if you study the film, and football is

1223
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: the ultimate one like that, because there's eleven guys on

1224
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: each play, and you know, you can't have eleven statistics

1225
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: on each play. So there's either a guy that runs

1226
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: it and gets x amount of yards or guys that

1227
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: throws it and catches it. I mean, all the rest

1228
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: of the If you're alignment, you're not on the box

1229
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: score unless you recover a fumble or something exactly, and

1230
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: you're not necessarily noticed or heard of unless maybe you

1231
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: give up a sack or something else. It's like the holder.

1232
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: You never really nothing, nothing, You never getting mentioned until

1233
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: something bad happened. No news is good news, is I

1234
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: always say, with respect to those players, let's try to

1235
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: squeeze it a cola two before we wrap up the program.

1236
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: Scott's in New Mexico, Scott. What's happening Scott? Hi, guys,

1237
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: how are you doing? What do you go for? Us? Uh?

1238
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 1: Two questions? Well, firstly concerns excuse me the where where

1239
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: does the situation with Shane Smith actually stand? Now? What

1240
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: do you mean the situation? Though? Well, I assume that

1241
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: Giants going to keep four running backs. I'm guessing anyways

1242
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: they already have three, and then maybe Darrell Williams or

1243
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: Robert Martin might make the team. Would Shane Smith be

1244
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: an odd man out? Or are they still going to

1245
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: use them in the I think I think you're gonna see.

1246
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see four tight ends with one

1247
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: of them being a great Smith. Okay, and so you

1248
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: have it's either way. I mean, the keep four four

1249
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: running backs, and Smith's gonna be one of them. You

1250
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: only keep three tight end vice versa. You know what

1251
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, um, I think that he will be

1252
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: on the team and he will be a hybrid uh

1253
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: four back, half back and tight it though. Though, interestingly,

1254
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: what I'll add to that, and I agree with what

1255
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: Jeff just said. If you go to the unofficial depth

1256
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: chart on Giants dot com, Shane Smith is actually lined

1257
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: up with the running backs, but I could see if

1258
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: they do ultimately keep four tight ends, I could also

1259
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: see them line him up as a tighten. But the

1260
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: labels are meaningless. It's all about the numbers game and

1261
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: whether or not you think he has value on the team.

1262
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: And I will say this from listening to what Pat

1263
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 1: Shermer has said. He has stressed that if they keep

1264
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: a fullback slash running back who could play tight end,

1265
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: they have to be able to run routes and catch passes.

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Speaker 1: There's no wiggle room around that. That's the only reason

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Speaker 1: why they would earn a roster spot because of their versatility.

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Speaker 1: If they can't do that, then there's no purpose of

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Speaker 1: keeping them on the roster. Okay, um, my last point,

1270
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Speaker 1: and obviously it's a sort of the elephant in the room. Uh,

1271
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: David Slip had a poor performance. Obviously he's going to

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Speaker 1: probably get most of the reps I'm assuming in this

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01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: game coming up, and I hope it doesn't happen. But

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Speaker 1: if he has another poor performance, what actually do the

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01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: Giants do at that point? And I'm not saying they're

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01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: going to put him down or whatever whatever, but does

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01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: Kyla let it get moved up or well, I still

1278
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: work with him and give him another um, you know,

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Speaker 1: a practice game, et cetera. What actually you think will

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Speaker 1: will actually transpire? I I don't think. I don't think

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01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: much will um just because the durability of of one

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01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: Eli Manning is not gonna you know, I don't think

1283
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: they're really absolutely worried about the backup quarterback position other

1284
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: than the evaluation process. I know that they drafted Kyle

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01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: Ailetta for a reason. I think they really really like him,

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01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: and I think that he's going to get some more

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Speaker 1: playing time tomorrow night and uh, certainly on uh the

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Speaker 1: third game and then the fourth game, because I think

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Speaker 1: that they're trying to evaluate both of them. And I

1290
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: think you gotta give um. I think you gotta give

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Speaker 1: Davis Webb majority of it. But the fact is that

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Speaker 1: you drafted a guy in the fourth round who should

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Speaker 1: have been maybe a second or third round draft pick

1294
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: from what people say, Let's see what this kid can do?

1295
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,479
Speaker 1: And and really it's meaningless. Who's the backup unless something

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Speaker 1: happens Eli? Well, uh, it maybe meaningless, but Eli is

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Speaker 1: also thirty seven. Now, so aren't you a little bit

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01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: more susceptible that's what I was concerned about. But I

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01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: think that if for some reason, if they're not to

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Speaker 1: concer I mean, listen, I think if there's something happened

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01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: to Eli where he was out for the regular season

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01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: and this team was in the midst of, you know,

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01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: having a pretty decent year, I'm guessing that there's probably

1304
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: going to be a veteran that's going to be called in. Okay,

1305
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: it's possible they could go in that direction, or unless

1306
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: they just feel out of these next three preseason games,

1307
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: one of the two separates themselves from each other, you know,

1308
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: because right now all we have to operate under his

1309
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: Kyle Loletta has a very small sample size of reps

1310
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: in his first preseason game, and Davis Webb had preseason

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01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: games from last year and then a social performance the

1312
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Speaker 1: first week. So there's really I will continue to say this,

1313
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: there's not a lot to go by. You know, Ryan

1314
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: nassive the comparisons with Ryan nassif I get people to

1315
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: throw that out there, but Ryan, that's if we had

1316
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: like three preseasons, so we had twelve games. We're not

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01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: at the point yet where we're looking at that volume

1318
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: of games. So I I think that they're gonna try

1319
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: to go back and forth with these two quarterbacks in

1320
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 1: the next three preseason games and then yeah, if God forbid,

1321
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: they get into a circumstance ruling out hot bringing in

1322
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback is uh to meet premature because there's

1323
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: always somebody still out on the market that may be

1324
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: able to come in has familiarity with Pat Schirmer's offense

1325
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: that they could turn to it a pitch. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, guys, thank you, thanks so much away and

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Speaker 1: in appreciate the phone call. And I know a lot

1328
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Speaker 1: of people are always a little nervous about the depth

1329
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: chart when it comes to quarterback when you have two

1330
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: young players who are unproven there. I think the Giants

1331
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: really want to get a sample size of Kyle law Letta.

1332
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: I think they really want to see him play. I

1333
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: think because I think they like him a lot. And um,

1334
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: not to say they don't like Davis Webb, but Davis

1335
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: Webb was you know, he was drafted by the previous people,

1336
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: and UM just knowing that. You know, when new organizations

1337
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: come in, they like to have their own guys, and

1338
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: they're hoping that they see a little bit more out

1339
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: of Davis up. So he's gonna definitely get some some

1340
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: reps and we'll see what happens with both of them.

1341
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: He's got to play better, and enough of the hype,

1342
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: like I was jacked up and all that kind of stuff.

1343
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: That's that's out there. I can care less of how

1344
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: jacked up you are. You're gonna go out and play.

1345
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: Of course, you gotta execute. I understand that after a while, Okay, well,

1346
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, hyped down, like take the balloon or the

1347
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: sack or you know, just try to put the thing

1348
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: up to you. No, yeah, relax, you know, yeah, we

1349
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: all get hyped up, do some yoga and get even

1350
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: keel in terms of your approach. But when I was

1351
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: on earlier the week with Paul, I mean, I agree

1352
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: that it is still a small sample size, But I

1353
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: also agree with and you just touched on this, Jeff,

1354
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: whether you're in with the second team, the third team,

1355
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: the first team, people want to say, you know, well,

1356
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,479
Speaker 1: the level of competition is different the offensive line. That's fine,

1357
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: but still execute. I still think you're holding a player

1358
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: to the standards of if you're going up against the

1359
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: third team or the second team, you still obviously want

1360
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: to go out there, go through your progressions and execute,

1361
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,439
Speaker 1: and that's all you can evaluate. Yes, there are gonna

1362
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,959
Speaker 1: be sometimes where your offensive line doesn't protect you gotta

1363
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: run around, But you know what, that's part of the

1364
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: evaluation process they want to see because you could be

1365
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: in there with the first team, Jeff. There's breakdowns on

1366
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: the offensive line. You may have to roll out of

1367
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: the concepts, and the level of decision making doesn't change

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01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: whether you with the first team the second team of

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01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: the third team. And you know what, if you're throwing

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01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: balls to those receivers and you're hitting them in the

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Speaker 1: hands and they're dropping them and you're over nine, well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, every one of those routes I threw.

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Speaker 1: The guy with the ball was right where it was

1374
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: supposed to be. The guys freaking dropped them. And anyone

1375
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: who's been around football is going to evaluate that accordingly.

1376
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna hold it against the quarterback. They're

1377
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: gonna say, hey, that's the reflection of the talent. You know.

1378
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: The fans of course will, but then that's not logical

1379
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: breakdowns of football games, that's right, And so I think

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01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: that to this point they need to get reps in games,

1381
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: and they need to a little bit. I honestly, I

1382
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: think this last week um up in Detroit, they got

1383
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: a lot of evaluation going against a team that you

1384
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 1: haven't been around, and so that's really almost like playing

1385
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: three preseason games up there in a week to two

1386
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,439
Speaker 1: real practices and end the preseason game tomorrow night, which

1387
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,919
Speaker 1: is why I think it'll be very interesting to see

1388
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: how they divvy up the reps with the first team,

1389
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: because maybe they feel eli seen enough with this Lions defense.

1390
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: Maybe we're gonna give David's Webb and Kyle Aletta a

1391
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: little bit more of an opportunity and then move everybody

1392
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: up so David's gets in earlier in the game on Friday.

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Speaker 1: I think it might be a lot like the first

1394
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: preseason game. You know, they'll they'll get a series, get

1395
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: them through, and then get them out of there because

1396
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: they had enough practice during the week, and then it's

1397
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: and this is kind of a a warm up for

1398
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: that third preseason game where everybody around the league goes

1399
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Speaker 1: into the third quarter, all the starters do, because you've

1400
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: gotta get that type of conditioning in there. You gotta

1401
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: learn how to play a game going in from starting,

1402
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: going coming out of the locker room at halftime and

1403
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: then finishing and then you know, then you get to

1404
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: the real game. But um, in the fourth game, you

1405
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: don't want to lose anybody to injury by having a

1406
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: stupid fourth preseason game, so nobody plays. I never forget

1407
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: the time we've played New England. We always played New

1408
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: England the last game of the of the preseason the Giants,

1409
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: And um, there was one time we played at New England.

1410
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: All the guys, you know, we got ninety whoever it

1411
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: was sixty guys at that point because they had the

1412
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: cut already cut. And then, um, we look over and

1413
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: half the team is doing a workout on the sidelines. Um.

1414
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: And then when the game started, there literally was only

1415
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: I swear to you, probably twenty five guys dressed. It

1416
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: looked like it was a You guys were like all that.

1417
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: They didn't play any but any first or second teamers.

1418
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: It was all third team guys and it was the

1419
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: rest of the roster and there was nobody there ever

1420
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: else is a street closer went home. They're looking across

1421
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: going do they have enough guys? It was unbelievable. That's

1422
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: that's Bill Belichick for you. Doesn't mean you have to

1423
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: play them all. They said, as you got eleven on

1424
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: the field, you can have all the bodies you want.

1425
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: It's up to the head coach who he wants to

1426
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Speaker 1: put in. But related to that, that's why they got

1427
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Speaker 1: rid of the seventy five mate cut because now they

1428
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: want to have at least ninety guys on the roster

1429
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: still for that final preseason star. So if you don't

1430
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: want to play your daughters, don't play him. He still

1431
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: got enough bodies exactly. That was the ratchet out behind

1432
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: that all right happened. That is gonna wrap up Thursday's

1433
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: du a biglue kick off that we'll be back tomorrow.

1434
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: I bet you you are correct. We will up and

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Speaker 1: running at one p m. E s Durn on Friday.

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01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: Jeff and I will set the stage for the second

1437
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Speaker 1: preseason game, and then Jeff and I will be ready

1438
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Speaker 1: to rock and roll for the pregame show on w

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Speaker 1: CBS News Radio eighty starting at six o five pm Eastern.

1440
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Speaker 1: That's tomorrow, so we'll set the stage again tomorrow. We

1441
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Speaker 1: appreciate everybody for tuning in your calls and your tweets

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01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: for Jeff Eagles. I'm Lancepanno. Enjoy the rest of your

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Speaker 1: Thursday right here on giants dot com. Have a god

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Speaker 1: one