1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:01,240 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 2: I mean I loved McDonald's, I love Burger King, I 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: loved the Kentucky Fried Chicken. I loved the fast food 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: places because they had flavor. It didn't matter that it 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: was completely artificial and banned. For you, it's a miracle 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: we were alive. Really, when you consider all the chemicals 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: that we have consumed, maybe we're here because we're filled 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: with preservatives. 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast, the podcast where 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: Buzz Night talks with musicians and creative cool people about 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: their inside story. Today, Buzz speaks with Phil Rosenthal, co 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: creator of the iconic TV show Everybody Loves Raymond and 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: the star of the Netflix show Somebody Feed Phil, which 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: is in its seventh season. Phil is also the creator, 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: with his daughter of the book Just Try It. Here's 16 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: Buzz with Phil Rosenthal. 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: Phil Rosenthal, the legend is here. Oh my god, I'm 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: so excited. 19 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: You make me sound old. 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 3: Oh stop it. 21 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: How could I be you? 22 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: Phil? That's my first question? I want to be you. 23 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: This is very easy. Anyone can do what I'm doing, 24 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: meaning to travel and eat. You know, I know not 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: everybody has the budget to do it exactly as I 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: do it, But to be honest, I was having fun 27 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: like this when I had no money at all. I 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: got a very cheap flight to Europe when I was 29 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 2: like twenty three, and I tell kids, you don't have 30 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: to lie down when you fly. You're young. You can 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: be uncomfortable a little. It's okay. You can go and 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: stay in a youth hostel or Airbnb or bed and 33 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: breakfast and you get a baguette and a piece of 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: cheese and sit out in the tuileries for free in 35 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: Paris during the day, and you're as good as anybody, 36 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: and you're having the time of your life. 37 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 3: Well, we do know that finding experiences really is better 38 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: than anything else you could spend money on, really, right. 39 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: That's what I learned that when I had my first 40 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: trip to Europe, and when I did exactly what I 41 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: just said, that's when I realized, Oh, this is what 42 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: your extra money is for. It's for these life experiences, 43 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: because what you get in return stays with you your 44 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: whole life. And that is a new perspective on everything. 45 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: Congratulations on season seven, My god, season seven of your 46 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: your great You've had such a run of shows, right, 47 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 3: Somebody feed Phil. I'll have what Phil is having but 48 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 3: season seven, right. 49 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the luckiest guy you're ever going to talk to. 50 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: That's how I feel. And now I get to do 51 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 2: this live tour where I go all around the United 52 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: States starting next week and play these big theaters and 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: meet all the beautiful people who seem to enjoy the 54 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 2: show or just want to see me tell funny stories. 55 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: It's so much fun. We do a Q and A, 56 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: and this is part of traveling. The best part is 57 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 2: meeting the people. That's always the best part of every episode. Yes, 58 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: the place is usually beautiful, the food is usually fantastic, 59 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: but the best part of the people that I get 60 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: to share it with. 61 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: Now, please tell me there isn't an episode coming up 62 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 3: where you go to Russia, because I'm going to beg 63 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: you to have a food taster. 64 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: Ah. You know. My kind of segue into the food 65 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: and travel game was in nineteen let's see, No, not nineteen, 66 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: I'm not that old. In two thousand and nine I 67 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: went to Russia because they called me. The Russians called 68 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: me Russian Television and asked if I would come there 69 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: and turn my sitcom Everybody Loves Raymond into Everybody Loves 70 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 2: Custua and I went with the proviso that they would 71 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: let me film the process, and that film is called 72 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 2: Exporting Raymond. And that was the first time I was 73 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: actually on camera in my job as the creator of Raymond, 74 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: trying to impart to the Russians why they should try 75 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 2: to make a believable sitcom. Yeah right, instead of something 76 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 2: that's Their style of humor is very broad and farcical 77 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 2: and almost clownish, which is great. But if you wanted 78 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: to adapt everybody loves Raymond, then we kind of set 79 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 2: that on planet Earth, where you believe that this stuff 80 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: could happen. So that movie, that documentary was my transition 81 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: really into being in front of the can and I thought, 82 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 2: what if I could travel to other places that were 83 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: beautiful and I could eat great food? And I sold 84 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 2: the show with one line to PBS. At first, I said, 85 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: I'm exactly like Anthony Bourdain if he was afraid of everything. 86 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about the things that you're afraid of. 87 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: Food that repulses you is the topic? Now? Oh boy, 88 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: is there are there things that do repulse you? 89 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: I'm not partial to black licorice. I know I'm not alone. 90 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 2: Do you like it? No? Okay? So that we have 91 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: that in common. I was just in Iceland this season, 92 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: and I thought the food was fantastic, but everybody told me, 93 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: you know what, the famous dish is here that you 94 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: gotta try. I said, what I said, putrefied shark, putrefied shark. 95 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: I said, you know, I gotta tell you, I tend 96 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: to stay away from dishes that have the word putrefied 97 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: in the title of the dish. And I had seen 98 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: that Boordain in episode where he ate this and got 99 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: physically ill on camera. So thank you, mister Bourdain, not 100 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: just for pioneering an entire genre in the food and 101 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: travel space, but for taking that hit for me. 102 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: Who would win a cage match between you, Stanley Tucci 103 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: and Eugene Levy. 104 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: Ha ha Oh, now you're talking about Battle of the heavyways. Huh? 105 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: All the kids? What do we have in common? I'm 106 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: going to say, all picked on in school? 107 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: Well, all healthy travelers too. 108 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: I'm in very good company, aren't I. I mean, they're they're 109 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: they're amazing. And and yet I think we've each carved 110 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: out a little niche for ourselves, right, I think so. 111 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: But every single person on the earth has their own 112 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: niche it's either who you identify or who you like 113 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: to watch, or who you feel comfortable with, right as 114 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: far as we as far as we go. But we 115 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: all owe this great debt to Anthony Bourday. We are 116 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: only doing a take on the type of show that 117 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: he he reinvented the genre. 118 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: Without a doubt. Yeah, was your daughter Lily upset at 119 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: you after you ate reindeer? 120 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: Nope, Nope, She's used to me eating things. We wrote 121 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: a kid's book together called just Try It about a 122 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: dad who eats everything and his little girl who won't 123 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: need anything, And it's loosely based on our real life. 124 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: But of course she's twenty six now on an adult 125 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: and does eat everything. And we'll show has me try 126 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: stuff Sometimes I'm the little kid who doesn't want to 127 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 2: try things. Listen. While we were writing it, I realized 128 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: this isn't just a book for kids. This is a 129 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: lot of grown ups won't try anything. 130 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: Talk about how much fun it was collaborating with your daughter. 131 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: The best, just the best. I mean, I recommend that 132 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: you have kids. I have a daughter, okay, so I 133 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: don't have to tell you what a joy it is 134 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: to do anything with them, especially as they get older, 135 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: and you realize that these have grown into wonderful people 136 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: and their own right that you'd want to be friends 137 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 2: with any rate. And so we have a wonderful time together, 138 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: my whole family. I just love being with them. We 139 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: laugh so much, and you know it's cliche, but there's 140 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: nothing like it. 141 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 3: And the eye rolls have reduced, haven't they. 142 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: Oh, I still get plenty you do get yeah, Yeah, yeah, 143 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 2: I mean I think sometimes I go on the road 144 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: where people laugh at things I say and clap when 145 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: I come out, because I certainly don't get that at home. 146 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: Who do you get more eye rolls from your kids, 147 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: your wife, or your brother that you work with. 148 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: I'd say my brother's the worst because he knows me 149 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: the longest and he's my younger brother, and so he's 150 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: getting even with me for when we were little. Yes, 151 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: because I was five and I was the star of 152 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: the show in my house. I was the center of attention, 153 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 2: and then one day my parents came home with my replacement. 154 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 3: So talk about some famous first going back to growing 155 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: up in Queen's first song that you remember loving. 156 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: Wow, that's a good question. I'm gonna say. I want 157 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 2: to hold your hand, maybe you've heard of that group. 158 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 3: I think so. 159 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: And I love the Monkeys too, which was the kind 160 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: of an Americanized version for little kids like me. I love 161 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: them too. I had all their stuff. I loved the Beatles, 162 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: I loved everything I had. You know, I'm sure you 163 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: had this too, AM radio every morning getting up listening 164 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 2: to WABC, cousin Brucey. I think it was the DJ 165 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: Sure and America Top forty. What's great is I go 166 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: now in the radio on the radio with my wife 167 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: in the car and we listened to seventies. We put 168 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: on the seventies channel because that's when we kind of 169 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 2: came of age. Right. That music that hit you between 170 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: the years when you're ten and twenty years old, that's 171 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: kind of your music, right, And so that the music 172 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: of the seventies, even more than the sixties when I 173 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: was really little kid. That's the stuff that you just 174 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: hear it and even if you haven't heard it in 175 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: fifty years, it takes you right back. So nice. 176 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: And what was so amazing about AM radio back then 177 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: was it was this hodgepodge of everything that sort of, 178 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 3: you know, all collided on as a playlist, right. 179 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was great. It was great. I 180 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: love it, but listen to kids. I still love music. 181 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: It just comes at us differently. I just got the 182 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: downloaded in one second, the new Beyonce, and I love it. 183 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: I think it's one of the best things she ever did. 184 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 3: Have you heard a version of a Blackbird? 185 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 2: Gorgeous? 186 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 187 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 2: Gorgeous? I mean that. That's a remarkable recording because the 188 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: first time you listen to it, I think you're knocked over. 189 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: Then you listen again and you hear different things in it, intricacies, 190 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: and it just keeps rewarding you the more you listen 191 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: to it. I think that's a great way to put it. 192 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: First Comedian that you loved, Oh goodness, I'm gonna say 193 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: my dad. My dad was really funny, and he was 194 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: just I didn't even realize there was another way to 195 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 2: be He was just funny without trying, funny way of talking, 196 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: funny facial expressions. My mother had a different sense of humor, 197 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: but obviously a great sense of humor. That and they 198 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 2: laughed when it was the currency of our house. When 199 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: we weren't fighting, we were laughing. 200 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 3: Max Helen, right, yeah, yeah, and talk about the the 201 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 3: serendipitous moment that led to them meeting. 202 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: Yes, you know, I always say I wouldn't be here 203 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: if he wasn't funny, and I mean that literally, because 204 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: she first saw him he was doing amateur stand up. 205 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: He was a tailor, he worked in the garment center, 206 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: but he got up one night in New Jersey at 207 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 2: an amateur club because he liked telling jokes and he 208 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: loved the old Jewish comedians from when he was growing up, 209 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 2: and he loved telling jokes. And she was on a 210 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 2: date with another fella, but thought this guy was funny. 211 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 2: Hence my brother and me. 212 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 3: It's amazing. 213 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be. 214 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: Right back with more of the Taken a Walk Podcast. 215 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 216 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: Okay, last on the famous first I like it first 217 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 3: meal that cemented your love affair with food. 218 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: That's gonna be tough. I always loved great food, but 219 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: growing up in my parents' house, I was not in 220 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 2: an environment where that love was allowed to flourish. It 221 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: was not great. They both worked, we didn't have a 222 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 2: lot of money, and this was not I mean I 223 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: used to joke that in our house, meat was a punishment. 224 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: And it wasn't until I left that house that I 225 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: had food with what they call flavor. I mean, I 226 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: loved McDonald's. I loved Burger King, I loved the Kentucky 227 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: Fried Chicken. I loved the fast food places because they 228 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: had flavor. It didn't matter that it was completely artificial 229 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 2: and banned for you. It was first of all, marketed 230 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: to us the same way AM radio was. It was literally, 231 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: you listened to your favorite Beatles song and then the 232 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: ed for McDonald's would come up. Right. It was aimed 233 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: at our heads and our bellies, and I couldn't love 234 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: it more. I loved the popular culture which included this. 235 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: It's a miracle we were alive. Really, when you consider 236 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: all the chemicals that we have consumed in this food 237 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: and junk food and cookies and cake and twinkies and 238 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: you know, all that stuff. Maybe we're here because we're 239 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: filled with preservatives. But I loved it. I loved it. 240 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: And then you know, I think I was twenty four 241 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: when I had a steak, like a real steak in 242 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: New York at a place called Gallagher's in Midtown, and 243 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: I thought, this is steak, so anything like it. I 244 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: literally had the worst cheapest cuts of meat because that's 245 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: all we could afford and it was cooked within an 246 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: inch of its life. It was gray and terrible. And 247 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: you know the name of our kids book has just 248 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: try It. But in my house the book would have 249 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 2: been called just finish it. You're not leaving until you 250 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: finish it. So it did feel like I was being 251 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: reprimanded for something I didn't do. And the finished this terrible. 252 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: But when that steak came at Gallagher's and now at 253 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: Peter Luger's or other great steakhouses in the world, if 254 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: you ever had steak in Italy or Paris, I mean, 255 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: come on, this is unbelievable. 256 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: Do you remember something called Swiss steak? 257 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: Yes, that's not a kind of a chop me thing. 258 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: It's also tough and terrible. Yes, I think you're right. 259 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: I wasn't even say terrible, because what about the Swiss 260 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: people out there. 261 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: I grew up in Stafford, Connecticut. It was terrible. Trust me. 262 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: It wasn't like Salisbury steak or worse than that. 263 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 3: I think it was worse, but I don't know. Maybe 264 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: I'm just getting clouded because my mother was a terrific cook. 265 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 3: Nothing away. 266 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: It's nice, but you know, there was. 267 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 3: A limited budget to get the good cut of meat. 268 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: Right, absolutely. 269 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: You know. 270 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: I speak to other chefs in the world, great chefs 271 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: who also had parents who weren't great cooks, and it 272 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 2: wasn't until they went out on their own. It's just 273 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: like the music that hits you when you're a teenager 274 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: becomes your music. This thing when you find some great 275 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: love at that age, that becomes your thing. And that's 276 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: how I was with food. It was like I always say, 277 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: it's like in the Wizard of Oz when she opens 278 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 2: the door and now the movie's in color. Yeah. 279 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 3: Right, For a man that eats as much as you do, 280 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 3: how do you keep your girlish figure? 281 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: Yes, this is the number one question I get. I uh, 282 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: you know how they make a dog food commercial. No, 283 00:17:54,720 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 2: they don't feed the dog until the commercial dog and 284 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 2: I don't eat until we do that scene you're watching. 285 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 2: And that scene is probably the only meal I had 286 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: that day. I'm like saving up for that, so I'm 287 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 2: hungry and I don't finish anything because the crew is 288 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 2: looking at me with their tongues hanging out, and I 289 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 2: love sharing it with them. It's only fun if you 290 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: can share it, and that actually saves my belly for 291 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 2: the next thing. That I'm going to eat because I 292 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 2: want to try everything, but you can't possibly finish everything. 293 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: That's a good diet. Don't finish everything. And the other 294 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 2: thing is I walk every day a lot, and I 295 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: try to work out every day. It's some capacity. 296 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: And you're on the Taking a Walk podcast, even though 297 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 3: it's virtual. So I'm glad we brought up walking for sure. 298 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: People, if you're listening to this and you're walking, pick 299 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: it up a little. I'm doing it for your own good. 300 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 3: So if you didn't turn out to this great career 301 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: involving the creation of one of the iconic shows and 302 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 3: everybody loves Raymond and all your other work, what would 303 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 3: you be doing. 304 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: I'd probably be depressed because this is all I wanted 305 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: to do, was this was to work in TV. I 306 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 2: watched a lot of TV as a little kid. My 307 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: parents used to say to me, go outside here, listen 308 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: to your take a Walk podcast and go. And I 309 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: really I felt safer with my friends on TV because 310 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 2: I was a shrimpy little nothing and I did get 311 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: picked out in school, but I just my parents. When 312 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: they would yell at me for watching TV, they would say, 313 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: what are you going to do? Get a job? Watching television, 314 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: and it's funny. When I got my first job writing TV, 315 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: I sent them a big television set with a note 316 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: on it that said, Haha, that's great. 317 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 3: So you really didn't have a plan, b. 318 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: I really didn't. I had a lot of odd jobs 319 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 2: when I graduated from host University and moved into New 320 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 2: York City because I wasn't equipped to do anything, I 321 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: studied theater. Well, good luck with that. It's going to 322 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 2: be forty thousand other people in New York going for 323 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 2: you know, that little part on something with no lines 324 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: for no pay. So I worked as a guard at 325 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 2: the Metropop Museum of Art. I worked as a bartender. 326 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: I worked as a temp I worked for a small 327 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 2: movie company, doing odd jobs for them. And yeah, I 328 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: guess I would have you know, I think the expression 329 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 2: is bum around. Can you talk. 330 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 3: About the creation of the unbelievable cast of Everybody Loves Raymond? 331 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 3: How do you come up with something with everybody just 332 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 3: being so brilliant, so perfectly too booned? How does that happen? 333 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: Well, I didn't have a choice with Raymond. He came 334 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: with the thing. But then I had to create a 335 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 2: world where he would first of all be comfortable because 336 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: he never acted before, and keep him as a character 337 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: close to his actual life. And so the show is 338 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 2: based loosely on his actual life and what I know 339 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 2: about the personalities. I filled him with the personality for 340 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 2: my life, and so I just wrote from real life 341 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: experience and real things that happened to me. And then 342 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 2: look for the people that I believed we're doing this right, 343 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: you have to have I'm not going to say that 344 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 2: taste doesn't have anything to do with it. You have 345 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: to have some taste. In other words, if you laugh, 346 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 2: that's because you're in tune with my sense of humor 347 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: and raise sense of humor, right, because what we thought 348 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: was funny, And then these people are super talented and 349 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 2: took whatever we wrote and made it better. You know. 350 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: For example, Doris Roberts, who played the mother, we saw 351 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: a hundred people for that role, and the test was 352 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: how funny and believable would she be reading this one 353 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: scene from my actual life that my mother actually said 354 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 2: to me. And she was just the best one. And 355 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: that's how it was with every cast member. I agree 356 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: with you, it's a phenomenal cast. 357 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 3: I agree. 358 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 2: It was like having an all star basketball team where 359 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: you could pass the ball to anyone and they could 360 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: score brilliant. 361 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 3: Who was even though they were tremendous on so many fronts, 362 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 3: who was the biggest pain in the ass? 363 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 2: Raymond? Raymond Raymond is neurotic nutcase, but the best kind 364 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 2: because he only hurts himself. It was, you know, a 365 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 2: kind of learning curve for both of us. I came 366 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: from a sitcom world and he did not. And his 367 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: personality and his sense of humor came from the very, 368 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 2: very believable, the very relatable. That's what his stand up 369 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 2: comedy was based in stories from home, things that you 370 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 2: could relate to as if you had kids, if you 371 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: had a wife, okay. And that's the laugh, the observational 372 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 2: humor of believability. So he didn't want to do anything 373 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 2: in the show that he didn't actually do in real life. 374 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: Include in drink coffee. I said, ray this is the 375 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: television in the cup, can be anything you like. He goes, no, 376 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: they're not going to believe it. Okay, So that is annoying, 377 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: but that he didn't even realize it. But that's the method. 378 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 2: That's method acting, and that extreme actually helped ground the 379 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 2: show in believability. And we developed this rule in the show. Yes, 380 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 2: we're exaggerating a little bit for comedy's sake, but we're 381 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: not exaggerating so much that you can't believe this wouldn't 382 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: have this would happen, right, We want you to say 383 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: this could happen when you watch it. Now. We all 384 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: know the shows where that's not a rule, and they're 385 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 2: perfectly fine. But on our show, we thought the relatability 386 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 2: was just as important as the comedy. The relatability and 387 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 2: the believability was just as important. Does that makes sense? 388 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the show will always stand the test of 389 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 3: time in my opinion. 390 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. Well that was on purpose. We really 391 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: did want to stand the test of time. That was 392 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: built into the way. We were thinking. No topical jokes. 393 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 2: You know, we're doing the show when President Clinton is there. 394 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 2: Would we have made President Clinton jokes? I guess we 395 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 2: could have, but they would be as dated as saying 396 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 2: his name. 397 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 3: Is right now, I see back there, the lunch box, 398 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: the naked lunch box, back there promoting your podcast. Yes, 399 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: I have a podcast too, Yeah, hello, fellow podcaster. 400 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: So we were only one of the busies. 401 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 3: Exactly a three million, two hundred thousand so you've had 402 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 3: Donnie Osmond, you had Sean Cassidy, I think Carrie Underwood. 403 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 3: Who are some of the musical gets that you're still 404 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 3: looking for? Bruce Springsteen if he's listening, Bruce, I saw 405 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 3: you did Kirby Enthusiasm last night. 406 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: I'm here too, you know, I'll listen. I'll take Bruce 407 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: anyway I can get them. I'll take him on the podcast. 408 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 2: I'll take him on Somebody Feed Film whatever. 409 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 3: You once speaking of curb? Yeah, are you really a 410 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,479 Speaker 3: good poker player? 411 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 2: No? I don't play. That was the first time I 412 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 2: was on. I think it was season one or two. 413 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 2: But the one that people seem to remember more is 414 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: the one where he tries to get out of lunch 415 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: with me and because he's he doesn't want to be 416 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 2: on Somebody for Phil, I tell him at a party, hey, 417 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: come on do the show. You just heard him talking 418 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 2: to Richard Lewis. He's going to ask me to be 419 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: on the show. I don't want to do it. And 420 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,719 Speaker 2: sure enough I asked going to be on, and I go, uh, 421 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: come on, we'll go to Ethiopia. Do you like coffee? 422 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 2: And he's like no, no, no, no. I was like, we 423 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: could talk about it. I go, great, let's have lunch. 424 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 2: And now he's got to have lunch with me. I'm 425 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: such a pain in the ass. And he shows up 426 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 2: to lunch wearing a Maga hat to scare me off. Brilliant. Yeah, 427 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: we're the opposite. And he realizes that the difference in 428 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: our personalities is funny. So he's put me in the 429 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: show a couple of times. And I always joked that 430 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 2: the name of my show should be why Curb your Enthusiasm? 431 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 2: Can you enclosing? 432 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 3: Tell that story about lunch with Johnny Carson. 433 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, So I directed speaking of President Clinton. 434 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 2: I got to direct President Clinton in a funny video 435 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 2: that they showed at the White House Correspondents dinner. I 436 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 2: wrote jokes for him for all eight years of his presidency. 437 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: You know, there's a humor season in Washington where they 438 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 2: are called upon to make funny humor speeches. And I 439 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: had a friend there who called upon me to help, 440 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: and I made this video. And a friend of mine, 441 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 2: after this video premiere the next day, he said, my 442 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 2: friend saw it and he wants to have lunch with you, 443 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: And it was Johnny Carson, And so I went and 444 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 2: had lunch. Johnny had been off the air for eight 445 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 2: years and no one had seen him. Remember when he 446 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: when he retired, he went away. It was like our garbook, 447 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 2: you don't see him anymore. So here here he is. 448 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: I remember what he was wearing, a yellow sweater. He 449 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: looked fantastic. He was so nice, and I brought Ray 450 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 2: Romano with me because I knew he would he would 451 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 2: plots as they say, to come and see him. And 452 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 2: we spent two hours with Johnny and Ray and I 453 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: were both reduced to that Chris Farley character on SNL. 454 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 2: Remember when you threw the tomahawk. That was great. We 455 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 2: were just like two children meeting their idol. But he 456 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: was so nice. He talked about anything you wanted to 457 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: talk about, and if you started to do a bit 458 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 2: from his show, he would join right in and do 459 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 2: his part. It was so fun and he was so nice. Well, 460 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: I'm home, and I wrote down every single thing I 461 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: could remember from that afternoon. I didn't do that when 462 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: I worked with the president, because when you think about it, 463 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: there've been several presidents, but there was only one Johnny Carson. 464 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: Well, speaking a nice You are supportive of so many charities. 465 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 3: I want to give you a shout out for that 466 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: everything from the Ebenezer Baptist to the Homeboy Industries to 467 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 3: the Delta Alliance. I mean, you know, seeing so many 468 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 3: things that you are supportive of is so wonderful and 469 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 3: it's great to have you on the podcast. I really 470 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 3: appreciate it. 471 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 2: Thanks. 472 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 3: Congrats on season seven. 473 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: I'm the luckiest guy you we're going to have on 474 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: this walking podcast. 475 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 3: Thank you, Phil. It's an honor to meet you. 476 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to meet you, my friend. I hope 477 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: to see soon. 478 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 479 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 480 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: and follow us so you never miss an episode. 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