1 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: We are back normally, so which normally the names gets weird. 2 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: I'm Mary, Cathyham, I'm Carol Markowitz, Barry Catherine. The news 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: is freaking weird. 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: That's freaking weird, man, it's weird. 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 2: As we're recording this, there's a temporary ceasefire between Iran 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: and the United States. It's supposed to apply to allies 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: as well. Iran is already breaking it. We have no 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: idea what's going to happen by the time this episode airs. 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, the information we do know is that Trump sent 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 3: the truth social that said a civilization will die tonight, 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 3: and a lot of people flipped out, and you and 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 3: I thought, I feel like this is part of upping 13 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 3: the anti so that he gets his negotiation on a 14 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 3: different footing, which is usually what he's doing in these situations. 15 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 3: I understand the part where you go, the President of 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 3: the United States is tweeting this crazy stuff and it 17 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: includes possible war crimes, and that's bad and that's not 18 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 3: how we do things. And I'm scared that he might 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: do it because cultivating a mad man theory means to 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: some extent people worry that you might do the thing right. 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: Right, right, Well, that's what makes it effective? 22 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: Yes, so that part I understand. 23 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: The part I don't understand is when he doesn't and 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: achieves some sort of shift in negotiations and a ceasefire. 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 3: The same people yeah saying Trump chickened out by not 26 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 3: doing the war crimes and the genociding that they were 27 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: worried about in the morning. 28 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: That party do not understand. 29 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: Right, if you are horrified by his you know, wiping 30 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: out a civilization bluster, but then disappointed by the ceasefire, 31 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: make it make sense, like which of these are you? 32 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: I am confused. 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 3: What we do know is that the deal was supposed 34 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: to be a ceasefire, which is note Iran has violated 35 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: continually since in the eighteen hours since this went into 36 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: effect or what have you, in all directions to UAE others, 37 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: and so presumably they're not going to be putting up 38 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: with that. 39 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: We'll see what Trump says. The straight or form US 40 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: is supposed to be open. 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: But it's not, and Iran is blaming that on Israel 42 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: hitting Hesbola in Lebanon, to which Trump said they weren't 43 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: part of the ceasefire. 44 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: Right, And there does seem. 45 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: To be a lot of assumptions on the part of 46 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: the media about what the ceasefire deal entails, alleging that 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: Trump accepted on its face every one of Iran's things 48 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: on a wish list. And I just don't buy that 49 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 3: part of it. 50 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand who does. And again, I think 51 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: it's so strange that you and I are in the 52 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: position of defending Donald Trump as a person. It makes 53 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 2: very little sense to me that you and I are 54 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 2: understanding what he's doing, but his like alleged intense supporters, 55 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: you know, the Tuckers of the world and those kind 56 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: of people, are pretending that this is all completely brand 57 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: new to him, like Tucker being offended on behalf of 58 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: Muslims that Donald Trump said, you know, praise be to 59 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: Allah in a sarcastic tone on Easter, like welcome, welcome, dude. 60 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 2: He's been president, you know, we're into his sixth year 61 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: of his presidency, four years in between where he was 62 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: still in the national conversation daily. If any of this 63 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: is surprising to you, I don't understand, and I don't know. 64 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: I also think that if this I had no illusion 65 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: that the ceasefire will hold. I mean, you know, maybe 66 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: it will. Maybe we go to this runs tomorrow. Maybe 67 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: Iran and Trump figure out a way to really have 68 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: the ceasefire hold. I kind of don't think so, because, again, 69 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: in my reading of Donald Trump is he's not going 70 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: to accept the strait of her moves being blocked. And 71 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: as we're recording this, Fox News is reporting that they 72 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: have blocked two ships from the strait. Kuwait was reporting 73 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: there under attack. Cluster bombs landed in Israel yesterday. So 74 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: all of this says to me that this ceasefire is 75 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: not going to hold. But if it were to hold, 76 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: I'd be happy about that. I would feel good about that. 77 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: I don't want a long war. I don't want war 78 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: to go on, and I think we've achieved a lot 79 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: of our objective. So let me redo two tweets that 80 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 2: kind of summarize what I'm thinking about this. Arman Rosen tweets. 81 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: If this ceasefire winds up happening, the bold Iranian gambit 82 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: to trade much of their senior leadership, most of their navy, 83 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: at least half their missile launchers, the lives of thousands 84 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: of security personnel, various bridges and rail lines, steal in 85 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: petrochemical plants, their deterrens, their nuclear infrastructure, their air defenses, 86 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: and the ability to use Dubai as a sanctions of 87 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 2: Asian's hub for the possibility of charging tolls for merchants 88 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: shipping on the Strait of her MOUs will have been 89 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: a titanic failure. I don't even I think they're going 90 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: to get the tolls on the Strait of Hormuz. But 91 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: you know, let's say, let's say that's where we wind up. 92 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: How is that not a win for us? 93 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: And it's also don't get it. It's also two weeks 94 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: of ceasefire and negotiation. 95 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: For a maybe right, right right. 96 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 3: I don't like the way Trump is talking about like, yeah, 97 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: we're just going to do business with them and we'll 98 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: split the tolls. 99 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, please, I. 100 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: Can't believe any of that. I just feel like it's 101 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 2: all right, it's all just words that he's saying to 102 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: get what he wants. But yeah, I don't believe it. 103 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: I'm of two minds about this. 104 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: I do think there's concern that once you have stopped 105 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 3: that the political costs at home of continuing goes up. Right, 106 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: So if you need to resume, as I think you do, 107 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 3: after Iran has violated. That becomes a harder political question 108 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: for Donald Trump. Now we can talk more broadly about 109 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 3: our relatively low tolerance for these things and why that 110 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 3: matters on the world scene. I think, you know, it's 111 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: well earned after twenty years of war, wearyness, understandable to 112 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: stand withdrawal being horrific as a sort of exclamation point 113 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: on that period of time. I think the remedy for 114 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 3: that is to decisively win a war, and this seems 115 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 3: like one that is tactically going well. I just don't 116 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 3: know what the strategy is from here, nor do a 117 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: lot of people, right, and that's part of what Trump does. 118 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: So I am a little concerned that restarting will be difficult. 119 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 3: That the market responding so well to the news that 120 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: hermus will be open makes Trump go great, it's right, right, 121 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 3: So we'll see how he reacts to that. But I 122 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 3: think you're right that a lot of people with when 123 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: it's Trump, they just forget. They're like, oh, we're at 124 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 3: status quo ante, And I'm like, I don't think we're 125 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 3: at status quo ante. As Eli Lake puts it, in 126 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 3: five weeks of war, the regime has lost its navy, 127 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: most of its missile launchers and a good chunk of 128 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: its defense industrial base, along with the top tier of 129 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: its political and military leadership. Add to this the damage 130 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 3: already done to its nuclear program in last June's twelve 131 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 3: Day war. There are more than nine hundred pounds of 132 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: uranium buried under the rubble of what used to be 133 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: underground in Richmond facilities. A year ago, Iran was on 134 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: the brink of obtaining a nuclear weapon and the ballistic 135 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: missiles to deliver it as far as Europe. Today, the 136 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: regimes military has been reduced to a shell of itself. 137 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: That doesn't mean a clear win maybe in many people's 138 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: minds in America, which is something Trump needs to deal 139 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: with and a message of sense, but that's a big 140 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: will and it makes it also Commanie's dead, by the way, Yeah, 141 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 3: And it makes it much harder for them to reach 142 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: outside of Iran to terrorize people. 143 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's such a big thing. The fact that they 144 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: have lost so much influence is humongous. And I was 145 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: going to read a very similar comment from David Hersiani 146 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: who also sums up all the things that they've lost, 147 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: and I just again, you can hate Donald Trump, you 148 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: can hate this war you can hate Warren General, you 149 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: can hate all of it, but to say that America 150 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: didn't get anything out of these last few weeks is crazy. 151 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: It's absolutely crazy. And we got to like see what 152 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: our capabilities are on the world stage. It's it's been 153 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: breathtaking to watch. And again, you could oppose all of 154 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: this and still say, wow, we won this. I don't 155 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: understand how you look at it in another sense. 156 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: Well, you've also seen the Gulf States rally with both 157 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 3: America and notably Israel. Yep, that's a big deal. They 158 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 3: have shifted those alliances against themselves, Aaron has by their 159 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: behavior during this. Yeah. 160 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: And then China and Russia have sort of barely lifted 161 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: a finger. Now there is a question during this ceasefire 162 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: whether Russia and China start shipping stuff in to make 163 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: it easier for them to learn and adapt and do 164 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: new things. But by the way, by the way, they 165 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: had a lot of time to prepare for this war. 166 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: There was like decades where they were preparing for as. 167 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: Well, or even the months in advance where Trump was like, 168 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to attack you. I'm going to attack you. 169 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: I don't see it. Only because Russia needs its own 170 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: supplies for their ongoing war in Ukraine. China seems like, 171 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: why did we back these losers? They really don't seem like, oh, 172 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: we're on this side. 173 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: They're very very quiet. 174 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: They're not blustery at all, and that's a tell. I mean, 175 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: I don't know again how to look at it and anything, but. 176 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, we will see where it goes. Like it could 177 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: all change within eighteen hours. But this is what we 178 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: this is what we know thus far. And I'm with you. 179 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 3: I'm with you, and that people discount what has already happened. 180 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: And also, I think the cost of Trump being unconventional 181 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: and not clearly communicating this is what I want to 182 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 3: achieve means that And because he likes to declare that 183 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: anything is the thing he wanted to achieve, means that 184 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 3: voters are going to be like, but what's the thing 185 00:09:59,120 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 3: that we achieved? 186 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: Right? 187 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 3: People who don't follow this all the time are going 188 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 3: to need to be messaged and clearly told that, and 189 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 3: he has missed opportunities to do that. 190 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: Even though he does talk about it, he doesn't talked 191 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: about it in the sort of traditional presidential way. 192 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: I agree, I think, and either of the tweets that 193 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: you and I read sum up a lot of the 194 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: success that we've had. And Donald Trump can say that 195 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: to the American people and mean it because it's true. 196 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: Another tweet I enjoyed from Klay Travis, he says, yesterday, 197 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 2: many experts, that's in quotes, experts told you we were 198 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: headed for nuclear war and spent the entire day losing 199 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: their minds. Today the Dow opens up up three hundred points, 200 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: SMP rises nearly three percent, and oil has dropped to 201 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: twenty dollars dropped twenty dollars a barrel. As always, it 202 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: pays to be rational. Congrats to those who didn't lose 203 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: their minds. This goes back to what we talk about 204 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: a lot, which is we would be the same people 205 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: we are if this was Joe Biden. And if you're 206 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: not the same person you are, if you don't have 207 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: the same beliefs, if you're Bill Chris, that's a problem. 208 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: I mean, the thing where you're afraid of genocide and 209 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: the destruction of a civilization at nine am and by 210 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 3: seven pm you're like. 211 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: What a wuss? Yeah, Taco, No, that's a note for me. 212 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: That's a note for me that that gear shift I 213 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: can't do. 214 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. Also, Adam Francisco points out that gas 215 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: prices collapsed and CNN removed the grass price graphic from 216 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: their homepage, because of course they did. 217 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: We're going to take a short break. 218 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 2: And be right back with more on Normally. We are 219 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 2: back on Normally. Where a case that has really. 220 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: Gripped New York. 221 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: I mean, it was years and years of bodies piling 222 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: up near Gilgel Beach on Long Island. It was I'm 223 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: not a super murdery person, but it was a huge, 224 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: huge story for a long time. 225 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't mean to make life. It's just I 226 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: don't know it. It is correct. 227 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: A lot of women are into the murdering, and I 228 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 2: do not consider myself one of those. I mean, I 229 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 2: enjoyed the occasional Law and Order episode, but. 230 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: Well, there are a lot of women who are into 231 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 3: the murdering literally and into into the storytelling about the yes, 232 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 3: I meant the latter. 233 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: Yes. 234 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: So here's the story of what happened with the Gilgo murderers, 235 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 2: because I'm so fascinated by this. So a woman goes missing, 236 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: and when you read the story of this woman going missing, 237 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: she's like she was I believe a sex worker and 238 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: she was knocking on doors. She had a driver waiting 239 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: for her. She was like hysterical. She appeared like somebody 240 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: was chasing her. Turns out that that woman might not 241 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: even be involved in any of this, Like she was 242 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: ultimately found. Yeah, her body was ultimately found, but it 243 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: appears that she died accidentally and is not related to 244 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: this case. But as they start looking for this woman, 245 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: they just find body after body after body after body, 246 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: and so far. He the man who was arrested for 247 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: rex Herman, he was maintaining his innocence for a long 248 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: long time, and then today Wednesday, he is due to 249 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 2: plead guilty in court, which is a big shift because 250 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: he's been saying the whole time he had nothing to 251 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: do with it. He was previously charged with seven murders 252 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: and not the woman again, not the woman that went missing. 253 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: He's now going to admit to an eighth murder that 254 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 2: was one of the bodies found but wasn't tied to 255 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: him originally, And now at least three more corpses are 256 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: not tied to him. An Asian man, a woman and 257 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: her child were found during these searches, and it appears 258 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: that they are not part of his murder spree, which 259 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: leads to the question of what in the hell is 260 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: going on in the sleepy Long Island Like the cutest 261 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: little area gilgol Beach. You would never think, oh, oh, 262 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: let's just go find bodies in the water. So yeah, 263 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: And the case of how they found this guy was 264 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: very interesting. He was an architect and they somehow tied 265 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: him to the first murder and ended up finding finding 266 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: him eating a pizza on the street of Manhattan. He 267 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: dumps the pizza in a garbage can, they test the crust. 268 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 2: They tie him to the rest of us. So it's 269 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: really interesting, and it's it's bizarre, and it will make 270 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: every murder story look, you know, bland in comparison, especially 271 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: because again there are at least three more unsolved murders 272 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: that have not so far been tied to him. It's 273 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: it's been a long time coming for New York to 274 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: get to the end of the story, and him pleading 275 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: guilty today will be at least part part of the 276 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: way towards that. 277 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 3: Now, Alvin Bragg is not dealing with the plea deal, right, 278 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 3: because that'll be like two and a half weeks. 279 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: No, no, I don't want to avoid that. 280 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: No. I am also not super murdery. I occasionally do 281 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: like true crime. I find that it's like generally too 282 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 3: dark for me. And I never am a person who 283 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: follows cases while they happen, which is a funny thing 284 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 3: because I know that's the breaking news, right. I don't 285 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 3: do that in crime cases. I only watch the documentary 286 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: after the fact, maybe because there's distance or something. But yes, 287 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: it's serial killers are, for whatever reason, endlessly fascinating. I mean, 288 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 3: many people are fascinated by them. There is good news 289 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: by the way that active sal serial killers went from like, yes, 290 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: I have been seven hundred in the. 291 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: Eighties to like one hundred. Now we've really cut down. 292 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 3: On our national supply of serial killers, and that's good 293 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 3: news for us. 294 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: It's just much harder, right, it's the cameras everywhere, everything 295 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: is testable. I mean again, this guy is just like 296 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: eating his pizza on the streets of Manhattan, dumps in 297 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: a garbage can, and now he's charged with eight murders. 298 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: Like it's I mean, that's good police. 299 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's excellent for those of us not committing murders. 300 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,239 Speaker 2: And this is why I think the murdering has gone down. 301 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: It is. 302 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: This is like a ten year running story in New York, 303 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 2: so a lot of New Yorkers are super invested in 304 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: this to see how it turns out. There's been also 305 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: in the articles about this, like he was not willing 306 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: to settle this case at all. He was and people 307 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: were like, do they have the wrong guy? Like it 308 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: was really touch and go because he was so adamant 309 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: that he didn't do it, and now he's saying that 310 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: he did do it. So we'll see what happens. There's 311 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: a three part documentary I haven't seen it, but apparently 312 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: people love it, The gilgol Beach Killer House of Secrets. 313 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: His family's on the record, his wife has left him. 314 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: I mean, apparently being a serial killer is not good 315 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: for your marriage. 316 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: Guys. Yeah, I will probably watch that at some point. 317 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 3: I do also, just on this dark subject and if 318 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: you want a good serial killer story that has a 319 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 3: lot of distance, the book The Devil in the White 320 00:16:58,680 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: City by. 321 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: Which Eric Larson. 322 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: It is about a serial killer during the eighteen ninety 323 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 3: three Chicago World's Fair who basically kept the equivalent of 324 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 3: an Airbnb at the time, and young women came to 325 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: stay in this house that he had built into sort 326 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: of a house of horrors. 327 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: And it is a. 328 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 3: Great historical account not only of that who is. It's 329 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 3: an incredible story, and I won't spoil any of it 330 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 3: for you because it has so many twists and turns. 331 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: But also I got the sense that this guy maybe 332 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: just wanted to write a story about the Chicago World's 333 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 3: Fair and needed a hook for it because there's so 334 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: much historical information about that huge event in American history. 335 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: So it's a great read. He's a great writer, and 336 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. This isn't about murder. 337 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: But we started watching Ley Miz last night as a family. 338 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 2: I've never seen it before. Like, I had no idea 339 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 2: what it was about, Like the whole early prostitution scenes. 340 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 2: I was like kids, you know, blocking their faces. I 341 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: did not know. But anyway, my middle son, who's really 342 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 2: into history, was like, there's no way they pursued this, 343 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 2: you know, bread thief for six years trying to find 344 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,719 Speaker 2: him after he was out on parole. He said they 345 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: stopped looking for Jack the Ripper after three months and 346 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 2: they were just like, that's it, no more of this. 347 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: And so he doesn't buy that they spent you know, 348 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: years and years looking for the bread thief right across 349 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: the water in France. 350 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: Do you like Lamuz? 351 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 3: I do like Limaz. I don't think I've ever seen 352 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 3: it on stage, though I should. My husband knows a 353 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 3: lot about Lemez because his mom took him to see 354 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 3: it one time, and it was after like a twelve 355 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 3: hour overnight shift and he dozed a little bit during 356 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: that play. 357 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm speaking out of school here. 358 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 3: So what he did was he went and learned all 359 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 3: the lyrics and then went back with his mom so 360 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 3: that he could make up for that incident. 361 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: Isn't that sweet? So he knows it very sweet, very 362 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: very sweet. My kids are not into it, like at all. 363 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: They're like, what are we watching? Why are they all singing? 364 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 4: Like? 365 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: Make them stop? Well, let them know that Steve likes it. 366 00:18:58,840 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: I will for sure. 367 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 2: All right, We're going to take a short break and 368 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 2: be right back with slightly less murder on Normally. We 369 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: are back on Normally, where California doesn't have enough money 370 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: to finish the high speed rail system and they are 371 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 2: a little bit short. It's only supposed to connect San 372 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 2: Francisco to La and they just like, you know, misplaced 373 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five billion dollars if they need 374 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 2: to complete it. Let's roll this clip from some California 375 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: officials talking to CBS News about this small, small. 376 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 4: Gap as we speak right now. Are the funds there 377 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 4: to complete LA to San Francisco? 378 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: The entire amount of money we need not there today, 379 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: But do we believe we can get those funds to 380 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 2: get the project done? Absolutely? 381 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 4: How much do you estimate it's going to cost to 382 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 4: connect high speed rail San Francisco LA today? 383 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 5: We estimate, with the right optimization, just over one hundred 384 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 5: and twenty five million dollars. I think one hundred and 385 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 5: twenty six billion dollars is the current estimate for that. 386 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 4: That's more funding than Amtrak has received in its history 387 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 4: and still leads a shortfall of roughly ninety billion dollars. 388 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 4: That's a big gap to fill. 389 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 5: It is a big gap to fill, but again we 390 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 5: have an understanding of how to get there and to 391 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 5: fill that gap. 392 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 2: Is it waiting for Donald Trump not to be president 393 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: and getting the next Democrat to pay for it? Is 394 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 2: that the way that they're going to fill that gap. 395 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: I'll also just add that that one hundred and twenty 396 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 2: five billion number is more than triple the original price 397 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: tag that was approved by voters. So California is just 398 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 2: doing super great with this. 399 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: You know what, it's also more than Carol, I checked 400 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: this yesterday. 401 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 3: Do you know how much the Artemis program costs from 402 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 3: twelve to getting to the dark side of the moon. 403 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: It costs ninety three billion dollars to get to the 404 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: dark side of the moon. 405 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: Amazing, So getting from LA to San Francisco will cost more. 406 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, that is correct and probably longer. 407 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 2: Right, is California just a fraud? I mean, it's like 408 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 2: the fraud capital of America. I don't think that's even 409 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: I don't think it's even debatable. But it's just a 410 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 2: place where money goes to get completely misspent, right, misspent 411 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 2: slash stolen. 412 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: This is the thing about I mean, I've always been 413 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: highly skeptical government programs, and they even outdo my sence. 414 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 3: They really do ability to steal from people. And COVID, 415 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: of course accelerated all of this. There's a great piece 416 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: in the City Journal called Gavin Newsom's Empire Fraud, which 417 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: they estimate Calvin has lost at least one hundred and 418 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 3: eighty billion dollars to fraud obviously accelerated, said as I said, 419 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 3: by these COVID programs. 420 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: There was at least one expert at the time yelling 421 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: at them like. 422 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 3: Hey, this is going to be the biggest fraud in 423 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 3: history if you take allsions off of unemployment, income and 424 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 3: insurance and then do COVID and make it bigger. And 425 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 3: sure enough, that's what happened. In one case, a Romanian 426 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 3: led fraud ring orchestrated a five million dollar unemployment insurance 427 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 3: scheme and they were just taking the money and wiring 428 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: it straight to Romania, like we don't have a protection 429 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 3: rate for that, and that's just a drop in the bucket. 430 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: And one hundred and eighty billion is something that people 431 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 3: have trouble even picturing. And it's being taken from people's 432 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 3: pockets every day in California, more than the program to 433 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 3: get to the Moon is being taken from the taxpayers 434 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 3: of California, who then get what in services, zero miles 435 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 3: of high speed rail, yeap, homeless people on many of 436 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,719 Speaker 3: their streets, infrastructure that does not work for them because 437 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 3: it's being stolen. 438 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: And Newsom is going to have to reckon with this 439 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: record at some point no matter how high he is 440 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: in the poll. 441 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Will he have to reckon with this? 442 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: I saw a tweet about this same study that you're 443 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 2: talking about the unemployment numbers that at one point they 444 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 2: had more people filing for unemployment than adults who live 445 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 2: in California. So that seems like not great as we 446 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: are going to, you know, record this. Christopher Ruffo, who 447 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: was involved in breaking that incredible story. He tweets out 448 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 2: a news story about California spending thirty billion dollars per 449 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: year paying eight hundred thousand people to cook, clean, shop, 450 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: and watch television with family members and others. This in 451 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 2: home care program operates mostly on the honor system, which 452 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 2: is how you know it's great, and loses six to 453 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: twelve billion a year to fraud. I mean it's almost 454 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 2: like a six to twelve billion doesn't even seem that 455 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 2: much when you're talking about the numbers. 456 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 3: The California loses well, And here's what these liberal governments do. 457 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 3: These liberal state governments make giant promises and then they realize, 458 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 3: oh crap, we just have to keep raising taxes, and 459 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 3: then they get defrauded because when they make these giant 460 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 3: promises in these new programs. 461 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:56,959 Speaker 1: They don't put protections in them. 462 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 3: I think that's partly because they like funneling money to 463 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 3: as many people as they can possibly funnel money too. 464 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 3: And here's the important part for normies. If you don't 465 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 3: live in one of these states, if you live in 466 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 3: one of these states, you're already being defrauded. If you 467 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 3: don't live in one of these states, what's going to 468 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 3: happen is they're going to wait for a Democratic president 469 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 3: and Democratic Congress, and then they're going to say, all 470 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 3: of you pay for all this fraud. All of you 471 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 3: pay for every gap in our budget. All of you 472 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 3: who are trying to put your kids in dance classes 473 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 3: and scrimping at the edges to buy gas, you pay 474 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 3: for it. 475 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: That's what's coming. 476 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 3: That's the plan for Illinois, for Massachusetts, for California, that's 477 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 3: the plan. 478 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, when they inevitably can't afford to pay their own bills, 479 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 2: we're all going to be responsible for it. And the 480 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 2: fact is that that is another thing the Republicans have 481 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: to be running on. They have to be running on 482 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: the fact that, yes, these frauds in these blue states, 483 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 2: they're your problem too. And here's why I just okay, 484 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: can we just take over messaging for the Republican Party? 485 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: Like would that be too much to ask? I just 486 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 2: where are they? What are they doing? It is perplexing 487 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 2: to me that these stories are not being told in 488 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: a fashion that you know, shows the American people how 489 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 2: responsible they're going to end up being for all of this, 490 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: and why it matters and who who is actually responsible 491 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 2: and who should be blamed and how to get us 492 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: out of this mess. 493 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, a tiny bright spot. 494 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 3: By the way, Republicans did throw in some I believe 495 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: nine million the other day into this Virginia redistricting. 496 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: So there's life. There's life in the system. 497 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 3: I fear that it's too little, too late because we 498 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 3: are pretty close to the old election day right now 499 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: and there's early voting throughout that time. But at least 500 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 3: there's some fight in them and we will see what happens. 501 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought things were looking good for that or 502 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: is it no longer? 503 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 3: No, it was never looking good because for people that 504 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 3: right Rogan seated the ground for a month, which I 505 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 3: never understood. One of the successes they've had in Virginia 506 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 3: was framing Spanberger as this liberal once she got into office, 507 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 3: they were helped by the facts, but they did it aggressively, 508 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: and then once the redistricting happened, they were like, I 509 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 3: guess we'll stop talking for a while other than myself 510 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 3: and a handful of us. 511 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: But people seem to be re engaged. 512 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: So maybe this almost even fight, we could fight to 513 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 3: an almost win or a win. 514 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm not super optimistic. We'll see. 515 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: All right, we're rooting for you guys from over here, 516 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 2: and I hope that it works out. I don't know. 517 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: I feel like I and the numbers I've seen have 518 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 2: been good. I think I've told you. I have a 519 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: polster friend who sends me stuff and he's never optimistic, 520 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 2: but he's kind of optimistic on this, so we'll see. 521 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: I hope that his view prevails. 522 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 2: Well, we'll see about that. Thank you for joining us 523 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 2: on Normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can 524 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 2: subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. 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