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Speaker 2: let's talk some basket of a lots of Jalen Brunson

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Speaker 2: questions today that we'll be getting into. What is the

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Speaker 2: argument for current Steph over Jalen Brunson. Brunson has been

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Speaker 2: flat out better than Steph for the past two seasons,

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Speaker 2: during both the regular season and the postseason. Considering the

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Speaker 2: clear year over year regression for Steph, estimating him to

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Speaker 2: be better than the player who's been better for two

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Speaker 2: years seems unfair. A small sample with Jimmy is nowhere

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Speaker 2: near enough to put him over JB, especially when you

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Speaker 2: take a sample about that size of Brunson's best play

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Speaker 2: is better than that Steph sample. So, first of all,

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Speaker 2: continue to run into with Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunson dribbles

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Speaker 2: the basketball and has the ball in his hands a

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Speaker 2: lot more than Steph Curry does and a lot more

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Speaker 2: than most NBA players, which allows I was Jalen Brunson

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Speaker 2: to put up preposterous statistical performances over and over and

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Speaker 2: over again. I'm not trying to undersell what Jalen Brunson

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Speaker 2: does here, I'm just saying on the list of guys

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Speaker 2: who their impact is going to reflect more on the

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Speaker 2: box score versus guys who their impact is not going

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Speaker 2: to reflect on the box score as much, Brunson's closer

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Speaker 2: to this end, and guys like Steph Tyres Halliburton, the

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Speaker 2: offensive engine types, they're going to be more on the

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Speaker 2: other side of the spectrum. And a couple of specific things.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you want to know why they took

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Speaker 2: off when Jimmy Butler entered the equation because there's no

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Speaker 2: offensive talent on that roster. Okay, I'm sorry, But like

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Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins and Brandon Pajemski and you know young Jonathan

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Speaker 2: easier for Jalen Brunson. And as soon as you brought

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Speaker 2: Jimmy is a pretty limited offensive player and that still

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Speaker 2: wasn't a very good offensive roster, Steph immediately vaulted them

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Speaker 2: this day, it doesn't reflect as often on a Golden

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Speaker 2: I think Steph. I think Steph is a better basketball

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Speaker 2: player than Jalen Brunson right now. And again, like there's

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Speaker 2: the box score. I have another one related to Tyrese

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Speaker 2: insane box score stats because he is an elite scorer

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Speaker 2: that dribbles the air out of the basketball most games.

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Speaker 2: That is going to lead to some really high box

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Speaker 2: when we get to the Tyress Haliburton piece, Hi Jackson

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Speaker 2: and Jason. Chopping it up with you two on playback

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Speaker 2: and watching this channel for years has made me a

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Speaker 2: better basketball fan. Thank you for all your hard work

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Speaker 2: and knowledge. My question is what can Brunson add to

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Speaker 2: become a top five player. I get Halle has the

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Speaker 2: bragging rights after their series, but after games one and two,

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Speaker 2: Brunson was averaging thirty nine point five points eight assists

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Speaker 2: four game playoff stretch averaging forty two points in ten

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Speaker 2: asists on fifty percent. I'm almost certain Halle couldn't do

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Speaker 2: TJ and Matherin going off has nothing to do with Halle.

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Speaker 2: Same with Siakam dominating ISOs or Nie Smith hitting six

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Speaker 2: even though he reached them, Brunson would not struggle that

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Speaker 2: like for Lebron, Joki, Giannis, Sga, Brunson, etc. To put

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Speaker 2: on herculean efforts even in losses. I just feel like Halle,

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Speaker 2: if he's required, if his teammate, if his teammates are

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Speaker 2: simply cold for a series, he wouldn't be able to

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Speaker 2: reach that same herculean level on that the other elite

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Speaker 2: offensive engines could reach because of his inconsistent scoring. How

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Speaker 2: much should a high scoring floor factor into who's better?

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Speaker 2: First of all, if you guys remember what I said,

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Speaker 2: I said that Halliburton, if he was healthy this year,

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Speaker 2: would have ranked ninth. So that's literally just one spot

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Speaker 2: in this list. So I view the gap as extremely small.

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Speaker 2: And as I've said, you could really argue any of

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Speaker 2: out there who literally have Brunson at five. I mean you,

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Speaker 2: when you were listing your offensive engines, you literally listed Lebron, Jokic,

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Speaker 2: but like I do think that these things are up

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Speaker 2: for debate, and I do think your position is absolutely defensible.

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Speaker 2: I just view, again, at the risk of repeating myself,

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Speaker 2: I just view Halliburton as a better offensive engine, and

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Speaker 2: the case for it is simply that the Pacers offense

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Speaker 2: functioned at a higher level than the Knicks did in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. I disagree with the idea that the Pacers

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Speaker 2: the floor versus on. It also dipped substantially in the

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Speaker 1: And by the way, the.

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Speaker 2: Same goes for Brunson. The on off numbers for Jalen

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Speaker 2: Pacers don't just score the basketball with or without Tyre's Halliburton.

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Speaker 2: He is integral to their success. Halliburton breeds a more

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Speaker 2: a better job of keeping everyone else in rhythm. Jalen

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Speaker 2: Brunson was surrounded by every bit as much offensive talent

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Speaker 2: and in the Pacers Knixt series, the difference was twice

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Speaker 2: Pacers had a one to twenty offensive rating with Halliburton

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Speaker 2: usually gets credit for. I think that that's worth mentioning,

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Speaker 2: But he does dribble the air out of the basketball,

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Speaker 2: and the offense doesn't flow as well as it does

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Speaker 2: with Tyre's Halliburton. Their play styles, the way they play

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Speaker 2: That's naturally going to end up with Jalen Brunson putting

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Speaker 2: than those box scores. Yeah, in theory, Jalen Brunson's ability

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Speaker 2: to score in the clutch should make him a better

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Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson has had his opportunities to prove that he's

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Speaker 2: better than Tyrese Halliburton at running head to head offense

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Speaker 2: Slash audio. Hey, Jason, I was watching the Nerd sash

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Speaker 2: pot a month ago and they did an all time

436
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Speaker 2: NBA draft, and I would like you to do a

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Speaker 2: twelve NBA roster all time, obviously with the first six

438
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Speaker 2: being the best of the best.

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Speaker 1: But the lower tier all star role players.

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Speaker 2: For your bench. Figured it'd be cool since we're in

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Speaker 2: the offseason. Keep up the good work, brother man. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for supporting the show. I'm not gonna do this

443
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Speaker 2: right now, but I just was gonna announce because Jackson

444
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Speaker 2: and I were talking about it.

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Speaker 1: The first thing we're doing in the.

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Speaker 2: Week after the player rankings are finished, is we're gonna

447
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Speaker 2: do list week. So we're gonna do a bunch of

448
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Speaker 2: different lists. I wrote down like six different examples, like

449
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Speaker 2: the five best champions of the last twenty five years,

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Speaker 2: or like the five best perimeter defenders of the last

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Speaker 2: twenty five year, stuff like that. We're gonna do like

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Speaker 2: different lists that we're gonna hit over the course of

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Speaker 2: that week, and we'll get to have a lot of

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Speaker 2: fun as we get into the tail end of the summer.

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Speaker 2: We're also planning on doing some playback stuff, especially in

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Speaker 2: late September. I think we're going to try to pick

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Speaker 2: three really big NBA playoff games from my time being

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Speaker 2: a basketball fan, and we're going to rewatch them and

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Speaker 2: just kind of hang out. So that'll look for something

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Speaker 2: along those lines in late September, but I will announce

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Speaker 2: it as.

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Speaker 1: We get closer.

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Speaker 2: Got a WNBA question, not a question about the rankings,

464
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Speaker 2: but WNBA related Pagebeckers has taken the w by storm

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Speaker 2: this season for her rookie year. She doesn't have a

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Speaker 2: cultural and ratings impact as much as Kaitlyn Clark. My

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Speaker 2: question is, how would you compare and differentiate page to Kaitlin?

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Speaker 2: Who would you pick to build a team around. Who's

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Speaker 2: better in a vacuum, who would be their NBA comparison?

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Speaker 2: As a Lakers fan, we are spoiled to have you, Pete,

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Speaker 2: Crangis and Trevor cover our team with in depth data,

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Speaker 2: schematic cap and narrative analysis. Love all those dudes, They're

473
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Speaker 2: all awesome. I couldn't agree with more with you about

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Speaker 2: the quality of work that they do, and thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for the kind words about our show as well.

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Speaker 2: Page is absolutely crushing it and the fun thing is

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Speaker 2: that she's doing it with short range scoring, which is

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Speaker 2: insanely impressive. We talked about this a lot with Jalen

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Speaker 2: Brunson in his video. But if you can find a

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Speaker 2: way to be like consistently reliable as a shot maker

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Speaker 2: closer to the basket, that will drive scoring that is

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Speaker 2: variance proof. Page is shooting fifty percent on jump shots

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Speaker 2: inside of seventeen feet and she's doing it on massive volume,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and nineteen attempts percentergy there are only two

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Speaker 2: players in the entire WNBA who took at least one

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Speaker 2: hundred jump shots inside of seventeen feet to this point,

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Speaker 2: Page and Ajia Wilson and Page is hitting them at

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Speaker 2: a six percent higher rate than Aja Wilson is. You

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Speaker 2: got to remember too, like fifty percent from that range

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Speaker 2: for WNBA players.

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Speaker 1: Insane.

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Speaker 2: Scoring efficiency in general in the WNBA is lower than

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Speaker 2: the NBA, right, just because of the difference in athleticism. Now,

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Speaker 2: whether or not Page can achieve the cultural resonance of

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Speaker 2: someone like Caitlin Clark, it's gonna come down to the

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Speaker 2: same concept that we've been talking about NonStop on the

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Speaker 2: show over the last couple of weeks. Can you drive

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Speaker 2: offensive success for your team beyond yourself. Kaitlin Clark stepped

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Speaker 2: into the WNBA and the fever offense literally exploded. She

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Speaker 2: drives like a Steph Curry esque gravity from defenses that

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Speaker 2: generates a ton of openings, especially at the rim. And

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Speaker 2: she could take it to an even higher level because

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Speaker 2: she does so much more of her work. I shouldn't

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Speaker 2: say not at a higher level, but she does it

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Speaker 2: with more versatility in the sense that she does a

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Speaker 2: lot of her work on the ball as well, which

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Speaker 2: is kind of like Steve Nash esques. It's like Nash

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Speaker 2: mixed with Curry. It's crazy, and Caitlyn's just a supremely

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Speaker 2: gifted passer. These stats are they don't even make sense.

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Speaker 2: Over the final fifteen games of the season last year,

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Speaker 2: the Indiana Fever posted the number one offensive rating in

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Speaker 2: the WNBA by a mile. They had a one to

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Speaker 2: ten offensive rating and second place was the Liberty at

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Speaker 2: one oh six. So she literally stepped into the WNBA

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Speaker 2: and made the best offense in the league by a mile.

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Speaker 2: That's being an offensive engine. That's making life easier for

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Speaker 2: everybody on the team. And that's why I gravitate towards

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Speaker 2: that type of player. And I'm not trying to come

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Speaker 2: at Page Becker's here. She's a rookie and she's kicking ass,

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Speaker 2: and I actually I'm really stoked that we might have

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Speaker 2: a rivalry between these two over the years. I think

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Speaker 2: that'd be great for the league, especially two very different

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Speaker 2: types of players. But it's just an example of if

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Speaker 2: people are wondering why Caitlyn resonates at a higher level,

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Speaker 2: that's why Caitlyn is like a transcendently great offensive player,

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Speaker 2: potentially the best offensive player to ever go into the WNBA.

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Speaker 1: She has to.

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Speaker 2: Achieve that first, but that's the potential that she has.

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Speaker 2: This year with Caitlin largely out of the lineup, the

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Speaker 2: Fevers offense has come right back down to earth. And

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Speaker 2: yet when Caitlyn's been on the floor this year, even

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Speaker 2: banged up Caitlin, their offensive rating has been up at

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Speaker 2: one oh nine, which is right up at that level

534
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Speaker 2: where they were at last year at the end of

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Speaker 2: the season. The second piece of it actually comes down

536
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Speaker 2: to a fallacy that I saw on a YouTube comment

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Speaker 2: the other day that I want to dive a little

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Speaker 2: bit further into. It was in the KD video when

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Speaker 2: we were talking about the score versus offensive engine archetype.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember the exact comment, but he said something

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Speaker 2: along the lines of, I can't believe we've somehow convinced

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Speaker 2: ourselves that scorers are inferior when the greatest player of

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Speaker 2: all time was a score And I laughed because on

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Speaker 2: one hand, like the goat thing is very up for

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Speaker 2: debate for anybody aside from the people who you know,

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Speaker 2: literally are of a certain age group that are old,

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Speaker 2: like older and more invested emotionally in that era. Outside

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Speaker 2: of that group, it's pretty up in the air, Like

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Speaker 2: it's a lot of people who think it's lebron right.

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Speaker 2: But even if we set that aside, if you go

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Speaker 2: through most all time lists, there's not a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of the traditional scorer archetype. It's like Kobe and MJ.

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Speaker 2: And then it's a lot of really versatile players and

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00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: bigs outside of that that make up a lot of

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Speaker 2: top ten lists, a lot of guys like Magic Johnson,

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Speaker 2: a lot of guys like Steph Curry and Lebron, Nikole Jokic,

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Speaker 2: guys along those lines, right, Also, the guys who are

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Speaker 2: at the top of the all time lists aren't any

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Speaker 2: one thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, MJ is either.

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Speaker 2: The best scorer ever or the second best scorer ever,

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Speaker 2: depending on who you ask, but he was undoubtedly a

563
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Speaker 2: better passer than someone like Katie was. I mean, he

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Speaker 2: had a season in the NBA where he averaged eight

565
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Speaker 2: assists per game. So, yeah, MJ is the scoring archetype,

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Speaker 2: but he's so much more of a basketball player than

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Speaker 2: just breaking it down simply to scoring versus offensive initiation. Similarly,

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Speaker 2: guys like Lebron and Jokic and Steph, Yeah they're offensive engines,

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Speaker 2: but they're also fucking awesome scores. Lebron literally is the

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Speaker 2: all time leading scorer in NBA. His has hit more

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Speaker 2: playoff buzzer beaters than anybody in the history of the league.

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Speaker 2: He has twelve seasons averaging over twenty seven points per game.

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Speaker 2: That's what like when you're talking about the goat case

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Speaker 2: with Lebron, it's completely unfair to not also characterize him

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Speaker 2: as one of the best scorers to ever touch the basketball.

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Speaker 2: We talked about NICOLEA. Jokicic and his reliable short range

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Speaker 2: scoring and how indomitable he can be there. Steph Curry

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00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: obviously can reach incredible heights as a score and the

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Speaker 2: same goes with Caitlyn Clark. She's arguably already the best

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Speaker 2: offensive engine in the WNBA, as we discussed, and yet

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Speaker 2: during that fifteen game stretch where she was leading that

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Speaker 2: kick ass Indiana offense, she was also second in the

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Speaker 2: league in scoring, averaging twenty three points per game on

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Speaker 2: sixty percent true shooting. The one person above her was

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Speaker 2: Asia Wilson, and Caitlyn was three percent more efficient and

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Speaker 2: true shooting. At that point. Caitlyn was a kick ass scorer.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm not denigrating scoring as a talent.

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Speaker 2: It's vitally important to win basketball games. I'm saying that

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Speaker 2: I personally am going to gravitate towards players who can

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Speaker 2: both score and generate tons of high quality offense for

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Speaker 2: their entire team, even if they're not quite as good

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Speaker 2: at scoring as the best pure scorers in the world.

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Speaker 2: And again, lastly, because I don't want to under sell

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Speaker 2: Page here because he's kicking ass, this would be a

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Speaker 2: really fun rivalry to take the stage in the WNBA

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Speaker 2: in the coming years. To have like a Steph Curry

597
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Speaker 2: meets Steve Nash level point guard in Caitlyn Clark versus

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Speaker 2: the surgical scorer type in Page Beckers. That could be

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Speaker 2: a ton of fun and more awesome basketball players is

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Speaker 2: always a good thing for us. Next question. In twenty twelve,

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Speaker 2: the Mimy Heat had a higher net rating with Lebron

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Speaker 2: on the court without Weide than when they were both

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Speaker 2: on the court together. However, they all they closed all

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Speaker 2: of their games with Lebron and Wade on the court together. Naturally,

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Speaker 2: it seems like an obvious decision to close games with

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Speaker 2: all your best players on the floor, But what is

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Speaker 2: the value of doing so if your statistically works. Love

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Speaker 2: the show, keep it the good work. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for the kind works. This is an interesting question

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Speaker 2: on a couple different levels, because on the one hand,

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Speaker 2: Wade and Lebron were a clunky offensive fit, and it

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Speaker 2: was a big part of how they lost the first year,

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Speaker 2: and it is a big part about how in general

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Speaker 2: over those years they became more of like a defense

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Speaker 2: to transition group because Lebron was an offensive engine who

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Speaker 2: inverted spacing or who created natural spacing for the shooters,

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Speaker 2: meaning like inverted spacing, are guys that bring rim protectors

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Speaker 2: away from the basket, guys that bring guys out to

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Speaker 2: the perimeters. So like Jokic does it because he is

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Speaker 2: a center and has to be guarded by centers, he's

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Speaker 2: pulling centers away from the basket. And then Steph by

622
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Speaker 2: coming off of screen action forcing centers to show would

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Speaker 2: open up space around the basket. They generate openings for

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Speaker 2: read and react sequences at the rim. Guys like Luca

625
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: and Lebron the rim pressuring big forwards that can pass.

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Speaker 2: They bring everybody in and generate all the crazy spray

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Speaker 2: outs to shooters. Right, and so for a guy like Lebron,

628
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Speaker 2: you know he would have benefited from a star that

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Speaker 2: was more of like a perimeter shooter. For example, like

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Speaker 2: Lebron and Kevin Durant, for example, would have been an

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Speaker 2: unbelievable basketball fit if they would have been able to

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Speaker 2: play together. Kevin Durant is a bad example because he's

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Speaker 2: the most seamless fit with anybody in NBA history. Hell,

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Speaker 2: he was amazing with Steph too, But like a just

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Speaker 2: a straight up, like an excellent jump shooting a player

636
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Speaker 2: at that position would have been like a Ray Allen

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Speaker 2: for example, in his prime, would have been a better

638
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: natural basketball fit with Lebron than a Dwayne Wade. Right now,

639
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Speaker 2: they made it work because of how good they were defensively,

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Speaker 2: and over the years, Lebron built enough chemistry with d

641
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Speaker 2: Wade as a cutter where they were able to make

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Speaker 2: things work and they were so good defense to transition.

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Speaker 2: It all functioned, But there was definitely a little bit

644
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: of a kind of like diminishing return there in terms

645
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: of having two playmaking downhill scores kind of playing alongside

646
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: each other. Now in terms of like the decision to

647
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: close games like that, you weren't gonna bench Dwayne Waye.

648
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: It would come with so many ripple effects in terms

649
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: of the chemistry and confidence of the team, And ultimately

650
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: I think they were just invested in constantly trying to

651
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: figure it out because the best version of that team

652
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: was always going to be Wade and Lebron on the

653
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: floor together. They just needed to figure it out, and

654
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: they did. I thought they, you know, under the circumstances

655
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: with Wade immediately getting hurt and immediately having his knee

656
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: really bog him down, and with the clunky spacing in

657
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: the first year in twenty eleven, they got two championships,

658
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 2: and I think that that sounds about right for that

659
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: particular group of talent. I think the only way they

660
00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: would have won more is I d Wade would have

661
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: stayed healthy the whole way through. Hey, Jason, love your content.

662
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: It's looking like eight of the top ten players on

663
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: your list will be in the Western Conference. Clearly, the

664
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: West is much deeper than the East. What would you

665
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: do to help balance the conferences? There's really nothing you

666
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: can do. And there's also a bad luck element to

667
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: this too, because if Tyre's Haliburton's healthy and Jason Tatum

668
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: is healthy, those are two guys that I have in

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00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: the top ten. Tatum's in the top five for me

670
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: if he's healthy, So like there's that piece of it.

671
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: Damian Lillard being hurt nukes any chance for the Bucks

672
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: to be a real threat. Honestly, Joel Embiid getting hurt too,

673
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: Like if that had all stayed together, if Joel Embid

674
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: could have stayed healthy, you'd have an awesome Sixers team,

675
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: an awesome Celtics team, an awesome Cavs team, an awesome

676
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 2: Pacers team, an awesome Bucks team.

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Speaker 1: Like you have a lot of really good teams at

678
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Speaker 1: the top of the Eastern Conference.

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00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: You just have Dame knocked chopped the Bucks off at

680
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: the knees, Haliburton chopped the Pacers off at the knees,

681
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: and Tatum chopped the Celtics off at the knees. So

682
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: you basically have now and I left the Knicks off

683
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: that list earlier as a sixth team, but now you're

684
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: basically limited down to ow Embiid in the Sixers obviously

685
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: got chopped off at the knees too, So now you

686
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: basically just have the Calves and Knicks left at the

687
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: top of the conference. And honestly, what'll be fun is

688
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: it'll give us an opportunity this year to see some

689
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: more playoff basketball from some of the younger talent in

690
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: the East. I think we'll get to see Trey Young

691
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: and the Hawks get another shot at this. I think

692
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 2: we'll get to see Cad Cunningham potentially get to a

693
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: second playoff series, a second playoff round. I think we're

694
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: going to get to see some of that element there,

695
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: get some exposure for some of those guys. The Orlando

696
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: Magic is another example of a team that could benefit

697
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: from that, but it's just bad luck, injury luck, and

698
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: there's not really anything the league can do about it.

699
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: Next question, Lebron was better than Steph last year. Even

700
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: in their head to head matchups. Lebron hit more clutch

701
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: shots and led his team to victory, while Steph was

702
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: often not hyper fit from the field when the Warriors

703
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: needed him. When Lebron is playing on an injured foot,

704
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: Steph was better, but Lebron is playing like a shell

705
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: of himself. He just had no choice but to play

706
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: because of the play in situation. Lebron was definitely better

707
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 2: than Steph for pretty much the entire Olympics as well.

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00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: And while Lebron does slack on defense for possessions, he

709
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: has a gear on defense that Steph has never been

710
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: able to approach in his career. Like you can't take

711
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: points for Lebron's mediocre defense at times when Steph's defense

712
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: is consistently mediocre even when he tries. Teams constantly attack

713
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 2: Steph on offense while rarely, while very rarely, do teams

714
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 2: run plays to attack forty year old Lebron, and Lebron

715
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: still runs the defense at times even when he's not

716
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: actively in the play by calling out plays and telling

717
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: players where they need to be. Draymond does all of

718
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: that for Steph. So if you were going to make

719
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: a case for while Lebron was better than Steph over

720
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, I think you broke it

721
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: down really well. So I want to give you credit

722
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 2: for that. I think there are a couple of specific

723
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: things I've pushed back on, So, for instance, like Lebron

724
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: being better in the head to head matchups, the Lakers

725
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 2: have had a better roster over the last couple of years,

726
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: So I think it's just worth mentioning that basketball's easier

727
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: when you're surrounded by more talent, and so I think

728
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: that that played a big role in the head to

729
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: head matchups. Secondly, I do think Lebron reached a higher

730
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: level last year in that stretch from late January to

731
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: early March than Steph did at any point last year.

732
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Speaker 2: But Lebron was only there for sixteen games, and for

733
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 2: the rest of the year. There's just that Steph offensive

734
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 2: engine thing. We're still to this day. When he's running around,

735
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: they're still sending two guys to him, and all these

736
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: guys are getting these open shots. And again, a pretty

737
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: limited roster for the Warriors, just adding Jimmy Butler but

738
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: losing Andrew Wiggins in the process, a bunch of mediocre

739
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: role player talent. Steph took those guys, I think twenty

740
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 2: and seven after the All Star Break with the number

741
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: one defense in the league and the number seven offense. Again,

742
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: I do think that Lebron very briefly hit a level

743
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: last year that was higher than anything Steph did last year.

744
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: But for the totality of when they were available as

745
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: basketball players, I did have Steph just to touch higher.

746
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: And for the record, you guys will see where Steph

747
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: ends up on this list. I don't have him much

748
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: higher than Lebron, but I do think especially over these

749
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: last couple of years, basically since twenty twenty three, I

750
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: mean even in twenty twenty two, I thought that Lebron

751
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 2: to me, stopped being able to consistently reach the top

752
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: tier when Solomon Hill dove into his ankle in twenty

753
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: twenty one, which, by the way, is right about the

754
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: same age that Steph is right now. So we'll see

755
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: if Steph can maintain it. And who knows, maybe Lebron

756
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: is a big forward who can rely on size and

757
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: strength and intelligence. Maybe he'll pass Steph again in the

758
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: next coming a couple of years, maybe that'll happen. But

759
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: right now, to me, that supreme gift Steph has to

760
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: just run in circles and fuck things up for a

761
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: defense by getting two to the ball. That to me

762
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: just kind of keeps him just that hair's bread the

763
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: head of Lebron in the meantime. But again, I think

764
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: you made a good case. Next question, why is it

765
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: that you grade Steph a LBJ on past year's success

766
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: instead of focusing on what they're currently doing. This is

767
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: from a troll who's always commenting underneath the videos. But

768
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: I don't really know what to say other than to

769
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: say that Stephen Lebron both made second team All NBA

770
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: last year, so everybody seems to think that they were awesome.

771
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: Except for you, So I think that's something that you

772
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: need to evaluate. Hey, Jason, I can't express enough my

773
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: appreciation for your show. You've helped me discover a love

774
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: for analytical basketball and I and have completely changed my

775
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: perspective when watching the NBA. Thanks for everything you do.

776
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: Curious about your past experience with media and whether you

777
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: studied journalism or something communications adjacent. How did you develop

778
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 2: the skills for script writing and public speaking. It's evident

779
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: that a lot of effort and experience goes into your work,

780
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: and wonder about how the evolution has come about over

781
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: the years. So my pathway into sports media was different,

782
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: and like I don't want to say, I hate when

783
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: anyone says that, like, oh, this is the way to

784
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: do it, because there's always just a different.

785
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: Way to do it.

786
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 2: There's a million different way I used to crack into

787
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: this space. I remember when I was starting with the

788
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: educational background. My educational background was I was naturally good

789
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: at math, and so I ended up getting into a

790
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: lot of like pre engineering stuff and engineering focused stuff.

791
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: I have an associates and pre engineering from Utah State University,

792
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: and I hated math. I just was good at it.

793
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: The classes that I had the most fun in when

794
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: I was in college were my English classes. And when

795
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: you're just talking about like doing research and forming an

796
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 2: argument and laying out your argument analytically and you know,

797
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: in the form of writing, that was where I had

798
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: the most fun when I was in college. So, like,

799
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: it's funny because when I look back now, I actually

800
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: wish I would have studied English or studied something along

801
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 2: those lines, because I just think I would have had

802
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: more fun while I was in college.

803
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: The math thing just really.

804
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: Bummed me out while I was there most of the time,

805
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: which was a bummer because like, again, I was good

806
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 2: at it, and I had the problem of like everybody

807
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: telling me I should do math, Like my high school

808
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: math teachers are like, you need to do engineering. Here's

809
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: the classes you need to be taking, here's the program

810
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: you need to go into.

811
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: Like I got into the.

812
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: University of Arizona School of Engineering like as a freshman,

813
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 2: and I like hated it so much that I immediately

814
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: flunked out of the UBA because I just I've legitimately

815
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 2: hated it and all I wanted to do was play basketball,

816
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: And I was just going down and playing pick up

817
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: basketball every day. And I just I was not mentally

818
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: engaged by math or by engineering at all. I've told

819
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: this full story with Ethan Strauss on his podcast before,

820
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: but the very short version of it is I was

821
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: bad in school until I was on a basketball team

822
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: in college, a juco team, and I was loving it,

823
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: having the time of my life in practice. And one

824
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: day I got called into the office by the eligibility

825
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: coordinator and he was like, yo, dude, your grades are

826
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: fucking terrible, Like how are you going to play? Like

827
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: we can't get you on the floor. And I was like,

828
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: oh shit, yeah, Like you can't just not go to

829
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 2: class and get to play college basketball. It's not how

830
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: it works, right. And so I sat down with the

831
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: guy and I was like, what do I need to

832
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: do to get eligible? And he's like, all right, well,

833
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: first of all, you're not playing this semester at all.

834
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: This was the fall semester. And he's like, if you

835
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: want to play in the spring, you've got to take

836
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: a full sixteen unit load over winter break.

837
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Speaker 1: And I did.

838
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: I took sixteen classes or sixteen units worth of classes

839
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: that winter break and got or no, it wasn't sixteen,

840
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: it was twelve whatever. Four classes is four three unit classes,

841
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: so I had to take a full twelve unit class

842
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: load over like a three week period over winter break,

843
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: got a's and all four of them got eligible for

844
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: the next semester. I had to take a full semester

845
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: load that semester, and then I had to take it

846
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: again another full load in the summer because the way

847
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: that it worked was like you had to average your

848
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: first two years together in order to form your like

849
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: GPA for the following season. So I had to like

850
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: make up all of my shitty not paying attention and

851
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: not putting in the work in school by taking extra

852
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: classes over the winter break and over the summer break,

853
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: basically the two full class loads during that time. And

854
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: it was funny because if you like look at my

855
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: schooling history, I legitimately was one of the worst students

856
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 2: you've ever seen. And then I became a good student

857
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: the minute someone sat me down and was like, you

858
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: can't play basketball unless you get your school together. And

859
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: it just goes to show you. Like I talked about

860
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: this with Ethan in that show. It's something I kind

861
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 2: of hate about myself, but like I have a really

862
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: strong work ethic when I'm doing something that I love,

863
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: and then I can be pretty lazy when I don't

864
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: care about it, and I hate that about myself. I

865
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: wish I had more mental fortitude to be able to

866
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: motivate myself to do things that are harder in life,

867
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: and I really hope that doesn't come back to bite

868
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: me in the ass one day. But like, fortunately that

869
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: I have been able to find things like this that

870
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: have kept me focused and have kept me energized and

871
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: have allowed me to bring work ethic to the equation

872
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: and actually pour my heart and soul into something and

873
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: do quality work. But I was definitely not a good

874
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: student up until I had to be, and then I

875
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: just did what I had to do to get through school.

876
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: And like even when I was in college. My last

877
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: year in college, I transferred from JUCO for a basketball situation.

878
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: So I wanted to go to the best basketball team

879
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: and so I got recruited by this team in Phoenix

880
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: called Arizona Christian University, and they were this incredible basketball team.

881
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: But it was like awful for me academically because they

882
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: didn't have anything engineering wise, and they had all these

883
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: like Bible courses, so like I had like one hundred

884
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: and twenty something college credits, but I only have an

885
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: associates degree because I pursued just basketball situations and just

886
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 2: took class loads that fit whatever that school had available

887
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: to them. So again, thankfully I was able to find

888
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: something like this. That was a big part of why

889
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 2: I ended up in real estate actually before I did.

890
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: This was because real estate was something where I could

891
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: essentially just connect with people and try to drive business

892
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: that way rather than needing like a specific degree or

893
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: needing a specific technical skill, if that makes sense. But

894
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: everything was driven for me by basketball, and in effect,

895
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: I kind of bet my life on basketball, and so

896
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 2: I'm very, very lucky to have landed where I landed.

897
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: But to make a long story short, like if I

898
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: had to guess where the communication skills came from, like

899
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 2: I credit a lot of it to just being put

900
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: in really uncomfortable situations. So like going to play college basketball,

901
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: being dropped off by my parents in Utah at a

902
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 2: juco where I'm living in a dorm with a bunch

903
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: of other people, I was like literally forced to like

904
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 2: learn how to engage with people and to build relationships

905
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: that like kind of forced me to be uncomfortable in

906
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: that sense, and then the second piece of it was

907
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: real estate. I think real estate was really good for

908
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: me in the real estate business. My first year and

909
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: a half, I was in the investment side, so I

910
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: was working on like flips and renovations and things along

911
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: those lines, right, and so I learned a ton about that.

912
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: And then when I got into the actual like resale

913
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: part of it, meaning like helping families buy and sell houses.

914
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: At that point it was like I'd meet them at

915
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: an open house, and the way I'd earn their business

916
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 2: was by connecting with them and by expressing to them

917
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: that I had an area of expertise, right obviously what

918
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: I knew about the industry from flipping, and what I

919
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: knew about the buying and selling process, right. And I

920
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: think just having those conversations over and over and over

921
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: and over and over again again, I would I would

922
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: hold like five open houses a week. That was how

923
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: I drove business when I was doing that. But when

924
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: I would when I was doing that stuff, I think

925
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 2: that just gave me a lot of really good reps,

926
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 2: and so I think that was a big part of it.

927
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: I think in general, like the English classes and writing

928
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: classes that I took while I was in college. I

929
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: think helped a lot, but a lot of it just

930
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: is again just me loving basketball and me happening to

931
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: land into a situation where I can channel that through

932
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: my work ethic because I love the game. Now, as

933
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: far as like getting into the industry, I've talked about

934
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: this on the show before, but the long and short

935
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: of it is, I don't think it's very complicated anymore.

936
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: I think if you want to get into sports media,

937
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: I think you just need to start making content. I

938
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: don't think, like, you know, it's so funny. I remember

939
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 2: hitting up radio stations and asking to work the board,

940
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: and like trying to write for a blog, and like

941
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: trying to do these things that like were the traditional

942
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: route to getting into a position. And what's so funny

943
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: about that is like, in retrospect, I feel like everything

944
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: could have gone faster if I just started making content.

945
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: The bottom line is is it's less expensive than ever

946
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 2: for any of you guys to go on Amazon and

947
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 2: to get a microphone and a webcam, and you can

948
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: go on Facebook Marketplace and get a MacBook for a

949
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: few hundred bucks, and you can go home and you

950
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: can put in the work. In terms of learning about

951
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: whatever it is kind of content you want to make

952
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: finding that lane and then recording and uploading to YouTube,

953
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: uploading to social media. They have natural algorithms built in

954
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 2: there that promote your content based on how many people

955
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: watch it and how long they watch it for, and

956
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 2: so you have the ability to create your own content,

957
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: and naturally it will get discovered.

958
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: It just will.

959
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: If it's good, if it's value, if it brings value

960
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: to the space, people will find it naturally through the algorithm,

961
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: and it will start to build momentum. The only things

962
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: I would say is like one, it is more flooded

963
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 2: than ever two, which I think is a good thing,

964
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: like we've talked about earlier. But what that means is

965
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: it's harder to stand out, which means you've got to

966
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 2: put in the work. So like, make sure that you

967
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 2: put your heart and soul into it, give it everything

968
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: you got. And secondly, be yourself. Don't try to be

969
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: someone else. Don't try to run in a lane that

970
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: someone's already running in because you're not going to do

971
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: a very good job of it because it's not you.

972
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 2: The best chance you have to be the best version

973
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: of yourself is to be yourself and channel whatever it

974
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 2: is that you love through your own personality and how

975
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: that reflects in your content. And I think if you

976
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: just do that, you give yourself a chance. And like again,

977
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: like you can do that on the side, have a job.

978
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 2: I did it while I was selling real estate, talked

979
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: about those open houses. You want to know what I

980
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: was doing when I was not when I was not

981
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: talking actively to clients, when I was sitting in houses

982
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 2: waiting for people to show up, I was watching film,

983
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: I was talking about the game. I was writing for

984
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 2: a blog. Like, those are phases where you can if

985
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: you can find a job that has some amount of

986
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: flexibility to where like when you're done with work, you

987
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 2: just channel that energy into content creation. Just do it

988
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: at home, do it on social media, do it on YouTube,

989
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: get it out there. Let the algorithm do the work.

990
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: That would be the best advice I can give at

991
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: this point. Next question, I've got a couple more quick ones.

992
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 2: Now that you move to Denver, should we expect you

993
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: being a Nuggets fan? No, I enjoy watching the Nuggets.

994
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: I enjoy Nuggets fans. I have nothing against the Nuggets.

995
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 2: I think they play a beautiful brand of basketball. But

996
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: I won't actively root for the Nuggets next part of

997
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 2: the question. I also hope you will talk more about

998
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 2: the Nuggets and maybe some collaborations with the DNVR guys.

999
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: I will talk more about the Nuggets because think the

1000
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: Nuggets are gonna win the title this year. I have

1001
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: a feeling they're gonna end up being my pick when

1002
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: I finalize my picks. I think they're a much better

1003
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: version of any team Nicola Jokic has had, and as

1004
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: long as they're kicking butt, as it is always the case,

1005
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 2: we will continue to cover the teams at the top

1006
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: of the league more so Denver will naturally get more

1007
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: coverage that way. As far as the DMVR guys go,

1008
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: I got to meet I've met Adam before several times,

1009
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: as I've mentioned on the show. He's been very kind

1010
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: to my wife and I since we moved here. But

1011
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: I went to Chicken Fight on Thursday night, which was

1012
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 2: at this basically this place called Yelich Gardens I believe

1013
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: it is what it's called. It's in downtown Denver. It's

1014
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: like a basically like a kind of an older amusement park.

1015
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: But I met a bunch of the DNVR crew there,

1016
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 2: all very nice people. It's great to meet them, great

1017
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: to hang out with them. Chicken Fight was basically just

1018
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: like a bunch of chicken restaurants coming down and showcasing

1019
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: their chicken. So got to try a bunch of good

1020
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: local food. But I'm sure I'll be hanging out with

1021
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 2: the DMVR guys on occasion, just because I love basketball

1022
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 2: and there are going to be some of the basketball

1023
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: fans here in town, and obviously Adam is already a

1024
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: big friend of mine. But like, I don't think I'll

1025
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: actively root for the Nuggets. I think that it'll just

1026
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 2: clash too hard with my current rooting interests. And still

1027
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: is digging at me that I had to come on

1028
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: this show and work after two Jamal Murray game winners

1029
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: two seasons ago. But thank you so much for the

1030
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: kind words and for supporting the show. Do you think

1031
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: Lebron is a better three point shooter than MJ? I

1032
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 2: was arguing with someone in My arguments were that if

1033
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: MJ and Lebron were drafted in two thousand and three,

1034
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: MJ would be a better three point shooter simply due

1035
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: to his shooting for mechanics. He then brought up DeMar

1036
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 2: DeRozan and my counter argument was MJ is was cleaner

1037
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: and more impressive athlete that didn't rely on shooting as

1038
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 2: much as most perimeter guards. Also, Damar's jumper has a

1039
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 2: weird hitch. I agree Jamar has like a Damar has

1040
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 2: like a catapult forward in his shot, which I think

1041
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: is uniquely good for the mid range, but not so

1042
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: much for the three point line. I think MJ did

1043
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: have a much more natural shooting release. And to support

1044
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: my claim, I brought up Kawhi, do you agree with

1045
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: me or him? I think bronze jumper is just naturally

1046
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 2: flawed and it allows him to take certain types of threes.

1047
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: It's a mechanics problem in my opinion, so I one

1048
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: hundred percent agree with you. I think that if MJ

1049
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 2: was drafted in two thousand and three, he would have

1050
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: eventually become a forty percent three point shooter. I think

1051
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: he's too obsessively competitive. I think his position group demands

1052
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: it in the modern MBA, and I think that he

1053
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 2: does have the shooting mechanics to be an excellent three

1054
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 2: point shooter. So on that level, I absolutely agree with you.

1055
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: The lebron thing is a little more complicated. On the

1056
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: one hand, I do agree that he has naturally kind

1057
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: of flawed mechanics, and I think that that limits him

1058
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: on certain types of situations. Like he cross fires a bit,

1059
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: which means he's really good going to his left, but

1060
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: not so much going to his right. I think that's

1061
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: a hurt him in the post a little bit, and

1062
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 2: I think that's hurt him as a movement shooter going

1063
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: to his right, like shooting off the dribble going to

1064
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 2: his right. That said, like, one of the things with

1065
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 2: Lebron is like he just gets really good looks.

1066
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: And one of the.

1067
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: Reasons he gets really good looks is he's still one

1068
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: of the most gifted players in the league at getting

1069
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: to the basket, and especially in his prime, Like you

1070
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: can't press up on Lebron on a closeout because he's

1071
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: just going to go right around you and break your

1072
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: break your defense. So like with Lebron, it's kind of

1073
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: fascinating because I look at him as being like a

1074
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: guy that shoots the ball well even though he has

1075
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: bad form because he gets such great looks. But he

1076
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: deserves the credit for getting such great looks because he

1077
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: gets himself opened by the threat of his downhill force.

1078
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: Two more quick ones. So I report recently where it

1079
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: said Reeves is apparently asking for Tyler Harrow. Question is

1080
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: who you got between the two a couple of years ago.

1081
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: I think it was easily Tyler. But after last season,

1082
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 2: I think Reeves's IQ and confidence is at a new

1083
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: level where he learned how to be effective when all

1084
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: the stars are gone while also being a great second

1085
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 2: third option next to stars.

1086
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: What do you think, Jason So?

1087
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: On the one hand, I'm a big Austin Reeves fan,

1088
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: and there's a part of me that wants to immediately

1089
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: scream Austin Reeves is better. But the reason why I

1090
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: couldn't say that, and why I wouldn't say that until

1091
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: a couple of years from now, is it's just different

1092
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 2: when you're in the situation Tyler Harrow was in last year,

1093
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 2: where you're at the top of the scouting report every

1094
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: single day. That's the role that Tyler Harrow is in.

1095
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: Austin's really never been in that role. Yeah, Austin had

1096
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 2: his moments like the Indiana game last year where Lebron

1097
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: and Luke are out and he just single handedly beats

1098
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 2: the Pacers, And that is what makes me optimistic that

1099
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves could be a better player than Tyler Harrow,

1100
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: but I don't think it's fair to just put Reeves

1101
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: on that level and till he faces a whole season

1102
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 2: where he's like in that sort of situation where he's

1103
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 2: at the top of the scouting report, and he may

1104
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: never be in that situation as a Laker. But I

1105
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 2: just think it makes it complicated. Like when you were

1106
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 2: deciding how to guard the Miami Heat last year, you

1107
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 2: were always thinking about Tyler Harrow first, and I think

1108
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 2: that just I think that just makes things a little

1109
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: bit tougher. Tyler Harrow is certainly a more gifted perimeter shooter.

1110
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves feels like a more natural passer. I think

1111
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 2: Austin's a better defensive player too. Austin's probably a little

1112
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: bit more crafty getting to the basket. But again, it's

1113
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 2: just really difficult to compare those two roles directly head

1114
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: to head. Lastly, what is the best ski mountain? On

1115
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: the Epic pass ski related question, I was talking with

1116
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: Carly the other day. We're trying to decide if we

1117
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 2: want to get another We got Epic passes for this year,

1118
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 2: our first time getting full Epic passes because now we're

1119
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: actually living in Denver.

1120
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: That was the whole upside.

1121
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: But Breck has always been my favorite mountain just because

1122
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: we used to go with friends and family all the time.

1123
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 2: And Breck brings the unique combination of like really versatile mountain,

1124
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: meaning like there's really easy terrain for amateurs, there's all

1125
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: sorts of intermediate terrain, and there's really tough terrain. They

1126
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: have two high speed lifts that go up over twelve

1127
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: thousand feet on Peak seven and on Peak eight, and

1128
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: on Peak six, and they have like a groomed blue

1129
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: off the top of Peak six called Reverie, which is

1130
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: like one of my favorite runs in the world. You're

1131
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 2: above the tree line, you're at like twelve thousand, five

1132
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: hundred feet and you just ski down the face of

1133
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 2: a mountain. It's incredible. Peak eight is the highest high

1134
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 2: speed chair in the entire North American in all of

1135
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: North America if I'm not mistaken. And then Peak ten

1136
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 2: has a bunch of really cool advanced trains, so it's

1137
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: got really versatile terrain. But then it also has this

1138
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 2: sick town with lots of good you know, like a

1139
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: really nice bar and restaurant scene. So like it's a

1140
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 2: great place for us to go with my friends and family.

1141
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: This year is gonna be different though, because we're gonna

1142
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 2: mostly be commuting in from Denver to ski every day.

1143
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: Like we're not gonna be staying on the mountains very much.

1144
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering which mountain all end up liking. The

1145
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: four epic mountains there are Breckenridge Keystone, which I've only

1146
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 2: skied once and it was in a blizzard, so I

1147
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: want to try it again. Keystone is a little closer

1148
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: to me too, so I'm excited to try it more.

1149
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 2: It's like ten minutes closer, which could make it a

1150
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: go to for us. Then there's Veil and then there's

1151
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: Beaver Creek, and those two I haven't skied either of those,

1152
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: so this year will be my first time skiing both

1153
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: of those. So stand by, I'll tell you guys which

1154
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 2: one I like out of those two. My favorite mountain

1155
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: back there is actually Copper Mountain though, and then a

1156
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: lot of people have been trying to get us to

1157
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 2: try Winter Park, which I've never tried. Winter Park and

1158
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: Copper are both on the Icon Pass, so we'll look

1159
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: into it and maybe if we get bored with the

1160
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: Epic Mountains. We might get an icon pass as well,

1161
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 2: But if I had to say right now, I'd say

1162
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: Breck just because it's so versatile. But I think my

1163
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 2: circumstances this year are different since we won't be staying

1164
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: on the mountain as much. But looking forward to my

1165
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: goal this year is to get fifty days in. It's

1166
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: going to make me do all sorts of crazy shit

1167
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: with work, like a lot of two A days and

1168
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: stuff like that, but I'll do whatever it takes to

1169
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: make skiing happen. It's just I view this as like

1170
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 2: a little tiny window in time before my wife and

1171
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: I have kids, where where like what if this is

1172
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 2: where we look back and go like, hey, remember when

1173
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: we just skeed our asses off for two years. That's

1174
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: kind of what I'm hoping this looks like. So that's

1175
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: our plan at this point.

1176
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: But we'll see. I'll keep you guys updated all right.

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Speaker 2: As always, I sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting us

1178
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 2: and supporting the show. We will be back on Monday

1179
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: with number six. I'll see you guys then.