WEBVTT - Surveillance Special: Trump Assassination Attempt 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:06.800 Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.600 This is the Bloomberg Surveillance Podcast. I'm Tom Keen along 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:19.000 with Paul Sweeney. Join us each day for insight from 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:23.159 the best in economics, finance, investment, and international relations. You 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.520 can also watch the show live on YouTube. Visit the 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:31.280 Bloomberg Podcast channel on YouTube to see the show weekday 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.320 mornings from seven to ten am Eastern from our global 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:39.040 headquarters in New York City. Subscribe to the podcast on Apple, Spotify, 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.920 or anywhere else you listen, and always I'm Bloomberg Radio, 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.839 the Bloomberg Terminal, and the Bloomberg Business app. Good morning, everyone, 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.360 Tom Keen in New York, a special edition of Bloomberg Survellants, 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:55.120 who welcome all of you across America, around the world. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:59.640 Three hours of conversation on what has become an American 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:03.560 A shooting of a candidate for president, a shooting of 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.920 a former president. President Trump was wounded. We all know 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.120 that now, but we will look forward here in the 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.959 next three hours with good conversation. In a moment, we'll 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:17.480 go to our reporter in Pennsylvania who was in Butler 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.680 this morning. I am joined by the gentleman I wanted 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.440 to be with David Gerra joined us now, of course 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.760 the big take, but much more than that is political 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.920 coverage over the years of the NBC Network, with NPR 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.160 and now back at Bloomberg. David, A difficult time for 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:35.280 you and I to get together. 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.400 Absolutely, this was a shocking moment yesterday, to say the least. 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.319 This was to be the last rally that the former 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.680 president gave before making his way to Milwaukee, where the 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.200 Republican National Convention is scheduled to start on Monday, and 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.520 there's a lot to take care between now and then. 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.240 He was floating the naming of his vice presidential nominee 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:55.600 on an indefinite day. Could have been today, could have 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.800 been tomorrow. That still has to happen. So what was 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.960 going to be a delegate and front circumstance Milwaukee has 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.320 only become more so after what happened in Butler. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.000 And Milwaukee is front and center. That's really what we're 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.440 going to focus on today is a path to Milwaukee 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:13.560 to Chicago, and the adjusted path to November is well, 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.120 We're going to do this this morning with pure conversation, 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:21.600 and the newsflow overnight is the former president is resting well. 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:25.280 If Donald Trump can ever rest somehow. I think he'll 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.560 be up and about this morning, to. 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.960 Say the least, yes, his campaign saying that we are 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.800 going to see him as this convention unfolds. He's not 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:34.880 going to be off the campaign trail, and just to 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.600 get everyone up to speed on sort of where things stand. 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.520 This took place yesterday around six fifteen in the evening. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.000 Then we heard from the current president from Joe Biden 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.280 in both the print statement and comments that he delivered 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.800 in Rehoboth Beach, where he was for the weekend. After 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.320 he delivered those remarks, he made his way back to Washington. 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.359 He has been briefed throughout this morning. He's scheduled to 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.280 receive another briefing from both law enforcement and Homeland Security 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.919 at the White House. So there is still a vacumin 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:01.840 which we don't have a whole lot of information. This 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.800 investigation is underway. But I look at this is happening 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:09.000 in two parallel tracks. That the investigation what happened and 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.440 how this could have been? This could have happened in Butler, Pennsylvania. 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.640 The second being what are the ramifications of this? Yes, 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.680 for this campaign, but for the country more broadly. 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:19.679 Tom I was sitting and you know we're going to 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.680 have a good three hour conversation folks, to inform you 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.959 about the immediacy of Milwaukee tomorrow. I'll be honest, that 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.080 was not all that much up to speed on it, 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.480 as David Gurray is, and it's here. Milwaukee is tomorrow, 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:38.480 regularly scheduled, but frankly forever changed and is before we 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:43.720 go to Hadriana Loincrun our reporter now in Pittsburgh. David, 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:45.840 I was sitting there when the news came across. John 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:50.600 Farrell informed me of the news, actually, and the first 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:55.320 thing I thought of was George Wallace in nineteen sevent 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.560 to you, I don't know why I thought specifically of 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:02.080 George Wallace, but I think to begin the conversation, when 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:09.200 you combine terrible assassination with assassination attempt, it's far too 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.440 many across America, back to eighteen eighty one, and frankly 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.960 back before that, to Lincoln and beyond. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.880 George Wallace, the governor shot while campaigning outside of Washingt 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.880 d C. Back in nineteen seventy two. But you're right, 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.200 I think that something that adds to what's so startling 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.120 about this moment is we haven't had attempts like these 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.960 on candidates for president or sitting presidents in some time. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.760 Of course, this has been a very fraught time politically. 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.520 There has been political violence, I think most recently of 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.560 the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband. 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:38.599 What happened, which. 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.280 Speaker Pelosi spoke about yesterday was some. 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.720 Emotion referenced in her comments yesterday as well. So there 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.760 have been moments like that Steve Scalize, the Republican congressman 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:51.359 attacked while preparing for a congressional baseball game in twenty seventeen, 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.599 and of course Gabby Gifford's the congressman from Arizona. So 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.840 we've had this, it has been boiling, but we haven't 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.200 had these attacks on presidential candidate and presidents in sometime 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:01.800 in some decades. 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.800 As you said, Tom, let us begin our coverage. We're 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.919 on YouTube this morning, of course, on Bloomberg Radio across 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.920 the nation and worldwide on YouTube. We are at Bloomberg Podcasts, 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.400 which is our growing digital presence. We say good morning 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:18.720 worldwide on an Apple car Play and an Android auto 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:23.359 as well. We get Lucky in that who was in Butler, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:28.720 Pennsylvania pulling the short straw covering a campaign event on 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:33.160 a weekend, a hot, steamy weekend the summer was a 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.760 former intern of Bloomberg Surveillance. I mean, you get lucky. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.960 I didn't know this lucky. 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:44.039 When that happens. Joining us newly minted from the University 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.000 of Pennsylvania and doing yeomen's duty for our White House 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:52.560 correspondence team. Hadrianna Loewenkrenn joins us. Heydriana, both David and 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:56.080 I don't want to go back and run the film 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:01.679 and the incredible still pictures from yesterday, but the simple 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:07.960 shock of the perimeter in Butler, Pennsylvania, with your experience 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.800 being on the road with a former president, obviously that 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.799 perimeter was too narrow, but was an a normal perimeter 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.000 of protection yesterday for President Trump. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.919 Yes, thanks for having me on. I've covered many a 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.480 rally in this past election cycle. Some have been indoors, 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.320 some have been outdoors. There's the same layer of the 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:37.280 Secret Service. There's the security, you know, conveyor belt, and 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.440 you walk through and their officer is left and right, 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:45.040 and everything felt as per usual. People were milling around, 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.800 they were eating, they were dancing to the music. Everything 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.280 felt normal until you. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.159 Know it wasn't hey, Jonna, how much of what the 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.760 president was talking about in that field? And Butler was 0:06:58.080 --> 0:06:59.880 stock and trade what he said in these rallies. But 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:01.840 for something that Tom mentioned a moment ago, as we 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.920 were now on the prespice of this political convention. Over 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.040 the course of the weekend, my inbox was filled with 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.960 announcements from the Trump campaign of who's going to be 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.720 speaking at that event in Milwaukee. Really pushing ahead to 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.560 the programming that's going to take place. There was this 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.880 a routine rally in that sense. How forward looking was 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:21.160 the former president when he. 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:21.720 Was speaking there. 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:26.880 This did definitely appear to be you know, normal office 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.800 is considered. It's you know, it's quite an event. But 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.360 you know, for us, actually us as reporters and you know, 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.520 a lot of political junkie is paying attention to this. 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.160 The where a lot of the entry came was actually 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.560 in the lead up to the event. As we had 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.880 mentioned earlier, we're still waiting for a VP pick. Some 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.640 thought that it was going to be announced earlier this 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.239 week at a rally in Miami. You know, Florida Senator 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.280 Marco Rubio was there, He was addressed several times, and 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.840 then there was no announcement here, and the lead up 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.960 we're trying to figure out which people will be there 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:03.080 Ohio JD Vans from Ohio nearby, so everyone was trying 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:03.880 to figure that out. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:04.280 At first. 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.640 It's only happened a few minutes in. We're still looking around, 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.120 will there be any surprise guests? And when we all 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.640 kind of think, okay, well that hasn't happened yet, let's 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.600 focus on the content of the speech, which also seems 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:18.320 to be at that moment fairly similar, then this happened 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.880 and it was just shocking, really. 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.800 Heydrianna, I know that the Biden campaign has changed its 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.080 tack as a result of this. They've been pulling ads 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.840 off the airwaves around the country, scaling back the outreach 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.600 that they're doing in the coming days. I'm very curious 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.840 both how this shapes or reshapes the Trump campaign's path 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.240 forward going into Milwaukee, and how you think it might 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.640 reshape that event. Itself safe to say this is something 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.080 that's going to come up multiple times over the course 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.560 of this week, but any insight that you have into 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.959 sort of how this is reshaping or reframing the Trump campaign. 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.440 Right, so, as we know, they have put out a 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.480 statement we're kind of going to push forward as scheduled, 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.720 you know Trump. It's important to note Trump was supposed 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.199 to have his sentencing in the New York Child that 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.080 I was actually in New York for covering in person, 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.760 So my head was at first on that and looking 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:09.840 at how so much has changed for him, you know, 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.720 obviously the sentencing, the indictments, all of that has helped 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.360 him rally his base, bring in front you know, money 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:22.079 and you know, something like this could equally, if not enhance, 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:27.000 you know, charging you know, and really rallying his base there. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.559 So we could see a lot of conversation about that 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.520 in terms of what he speaks about Thursday night. There's also, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.400 of course more you know, intrigue now, and it underscores 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.480 the importance of whoever his VP pick will be a 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.040 same as we know with the Democratic Party, where people 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.880 are you know, calling on Biden to step aside. So 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.080 I think that really will will be a lot of 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:48.760 the conversation. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.800 Hey, Dreon, one of the advantages here, and David is 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.720 so ancient he actually remembers this where a convention was 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:02.439 a four day television extravagant from if they were polite 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:04.320 ten in the morning, but even eight in the morning 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:08.280 till two am, depending on when the cigars lit out. 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:13.080 You don't know, that is the ute of America. What 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:19.200 Milwaukee will we see? It's a modern convention, sterilized. But 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:23.480 will it be covered differently now with this assassination attempt? 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.480 You know, that's a great question. And we've already on 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.920 our end been receiving you know, briefings as to what 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.040 can and cannot you know, be posted on social media 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.920 with credentials, and what to do should protests occur, which, 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.480 as we all know already was likely before this happening. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.679 So definitely we all have to, you know, stand our 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.720 guard and be very communicative. And you know, as for 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.200 the hours, you know, Trump is, as you had mentioned 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:52.839 at the top of the show, he has a lot 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.680 of energy. There's a lot of programming planned. We have 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.720 the speaker list out already, and so I'm assuming they're 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.160 going to want to kind of go ahead and put 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:03.360 more business. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:07.240 Yeah, and David, jump in here and through the three hours, folks, 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.120 we're going to make this a very I hope informed, 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:15.160 but informal conversation. David, I'm sorry. Yesterday at six point 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:20.120 thirty pm, convention protocol changed. There's no end of forbuds 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:20.560 about it. 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:22.320 You know, I was participating in the coverage that we 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.960 were doing immediately after this on Bloomberg Radio. Jody Schneider, 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:26.520 who heads up a lot of our political coverage on 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.240 TV and radio, is already in Milwaukee, and she was saying, 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.440 how you know, going into this event, there was, as 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:35.520 you'd expect, very strict security surrounding the center of Milwaukee. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.920 And CDs reports this morning they're extending the perimeter. 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.080 Perimeter is going to get wider. Security is going to 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.319 get more stringent as well. I just go back to 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:43.839 what I said a moment ago, which is there was 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.000 already such an inherent fragility both to this convention, right 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.000 and the Democratic National Convention. This is only going to 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:51.000 make that even more fragile. 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:55.320 Tom Okay, Heydrianna, Heydriana, do you travel directly to Milwaukee 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.760 from Pittsburgh? Is that your itinerary? 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.800 Yes, I'm headed out to thet shortly. 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:05.960 Okay, safe travels. He Adrianna Low and crun there yesterday 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.200 her direct coverage of this assassination attempt, and of course, 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:15.360 as Sunday beckons here across the nation, it is arresting 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:19.280 former president. Of course, we haven't mentioned yet President Biden 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:23.600 with his comments yesterday, and you have to believe, David 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.800 that President Biden will have to finesse the message further 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.440 here this morning. 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:29.640 Absolutely so. 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.040 As I mentioned at the top, he gave this written 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.240 statement immediately after this he was attending mass and Rehoboth 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.080 Beach shortly after that, had his first briefing from law enforcement, 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.560 delivered this print statement, and then traveled to the Emergency 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:45.440 Response building in Rehoboth where he gave those comments. And 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:47.920 I'll read briefly from what he had to say. Everybody 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:52.040 must condemn it. Everybody and effectively said there's no place 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.000 for this in America. And I will say, as I've 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.640 sort of charted the responses that we've gotten from members 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.480 of Congress, members of the House and Senate here in 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.440 the United States, dates and world leaders as well, that 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:04.319 is the overarching message that is ringing out here, Tom 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.679 that this is something that is antithetical to American democracy 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:09.760 and has to be called out, and indeed most most 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:10.920 politicians have been doing that. 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.880 We welcome all of you across the nation in worldwide. 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.480 A special edition of Bloomberg Surveynah's David Gura and Tom 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:22.600 Keen and our studios in New York. Adrianna Lowenkrinn in 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.160 Butler yesterday joining us moments ago. Jordan Fabian will join 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.439 us from the White House here across these three hours 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.280 this morning. A program note, and this is a credible 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:37.559 commitment of Bloomberg Radio. I think I can say this 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.920 in all the years. It will be a Sunday set 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.840 of talk shows as we've never heard on Bloomberg Radio 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.880 at eleven am this morning, NBCs, Meet the Press at 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.880 twelve noon, Fox News Sunday at thirteen hundred and one 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:57.520 pm this week on ABC, and at two pm Margaret 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.600 Brenn and Robert Costa and all of CBS and Face 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.600 the Nation. So you will see from eight to eleven 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.640 this morning with David Gura, and then from eleven until 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:11.280 three pm we will give you the talk shows. Is 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:16.360 all of America confronts this assassination at tent We've got 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:20.000 many more good voices coming up, but certainly someone who's 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:25.360 been an immense support and remarkably prescient about the dynamics 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:29.360 of Donald Trump's Republican Party, Terry Haynes, is kind enough 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:33.880 to join us in this eight o'clock hour with Pangaea policy. Terry, 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:40.000 your great theme has been a loyal Trump following and 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:43.800 the GOP from a distance deciding what to do with 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:49.040 mister Trump a second time around. How did that change yesterday? 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.320 I don't think it changed very much. Tom, and good 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.520 morning to you and David. Thank you for having me. 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.040 I don't think it changed very much. You've got a 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:02.560 situation here where the you know, the race has been 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.520 remarkably stable, as everybody knows. But you know, look at 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.320 what happened in the last month where you have, you know, 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:14.360 with all this caterwauling about Biden with from Democrats and 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:18.200 everything else, and yet the national two way beauty contest 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:22.000 poll of polls barely moves from Trump plus one to 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.560 Trump plus three. These are registered voter polls in which 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.000 the margin of error is at least three. You know, 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:33.360 there's an erroneous assumption here, which is that somehow Biden 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.080 voters are going to move to Trump. Biden voters would 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.920 move to pretty much any other Republican with some frequency, 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.560 but they've shown a lot that they're not going to 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.400 move to Trump. I frankly don't expect that to change. 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:45.920 So I think the race will end up being a 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.240 lot more stable than most folks think, and certainly more 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:50.440 than prediction markets think. 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:52.160 Terry, let me put a question to you that I 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.440 put to Hadrian a moment ago, just in a different way, 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.320 and that is, how do you see the Trump campaign 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.920 reflecting on what's happening here? Of course people are still 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.600 processing the events that took place yesterday in Butler, But 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.760 do you see it as changing in any fundamental way 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.480 or reshaping the message from from the Trump campaign? 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.600 Well, I don't see the I don't see the message 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.480 and the policies changing, David, what I what I do. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.080 My instinct is this is that the you will see 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.640 a continuation of the more presidential Trump that you saw 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.520 in the first debate, in terms of how that's presented, 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.680 how he presents himself. Uh you know the I think 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:34.520 the convention goers and most people around them will be 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.560 more keyed up, and there'll be a little more frenzy 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.680 around this than there otherwise would have been, and the 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.280 and the temperature already was going to be pretty high. 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.600 Trump doesn't get anything out of stoking that. He gets 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:50.040 a great deal more out of it than by by 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.600 continuing that that more presidential look. I mean they were 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.520 already going into this thinking, you know, Biden and the 0:16:56.560 --> 0:17:01.440 Democrats are thrashing. We profit by being more presidential looking 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.880 and more in control and all the rest. I think 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.280 Trump doubles down on that, certainly. I think you'd be 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:08.880 smart to looking. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:10.919 At our top live blog on the Bloomberg and on 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:14.080 Bloomberg dot Com, an incredible comprehensive look at what's been 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.879 happening here with contributions from our colleagues all over the world. 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.560 The latest here a post on truth Social from Donald 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.320 Trump indicating he does plan to speak at the convention 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.760 in Milwaukee. Perhaps no surprise, but the comment from the 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.000 former president is I truly love our country and love 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.080 you all, and look forward to speaking to our great 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.959 nation this week from Wisconsin, Terry, picking up on what 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.760 you said just a moment ago about I won't say 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.639 this new presidential Donald Trump, but somebody who is approaching 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.639 this with a discipline and seriousness that might strike some 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.800 as novel, and is certainly outlined in this incredible piece 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:49.520 by Tim Alberta in the Atlantic describing the campaign apparatus 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.160 that is built up around him. That is I think 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.840 it's safe to say much more professional and discipline than 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.879 it was in twenty and twenty sixteen. What does he 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.720 have to say in your estimation in that beach at 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:01.160 the RNC. 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.240 Well, you know, fundamentally, he has to show that he's 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.080 ready to lead and that he's responsible. 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:07.480 You know, the. 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.160 Less rabble rousing, the better. I mean, as I think, 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.960 I think, as you've just pointed out very well, the 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:19.560 rabble rousing, incendiary reputation precedes him and to some extent 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.800 exceeds him. I think he's got to show himself a 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:27.240 little bit more presidential and kind of able to lead, 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.919 you know, more serious. You know, you don't hide your 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.800 leg under a bushel, but be a little bit more 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:34.879 serious about what you're going to do, how you're going 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.480 to do it, precisely, how you're going to drive things forward. 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.919 There is a lot of there's a lot of stuff 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:45.879 that swirls around Trump that other that that get used 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.800 by the opposition to his detriment. He needs extend some 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:50.679 time to spelling that. 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:52.760 We're lucky to have Jordan Fabian with us now he's 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.520 a White House correspondent for Bloomberg News. As we look 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:59.359 ahead to that next briefing at ten thirty this morning, Jordan, get. 0:18:59.240 --> 0:18:59.960 Us up to speed. 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.680 We've heard from the President now twice, once in print, 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.920 another time in person. Do we expect to hear from 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:07.639 him again today on this Sunday. 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.000 At the moment, there's nothing expected, But I wouldn't be 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.000 surprised at a moment like this as the President came 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.480 out to speak after he has that briefing you just mentioned, 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:23.440 and we gather more information about what happened, the suspect 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:28.560 and just the overall fought political moment we're in this country. 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:33.200 You have leaders across the spectrum calling for civility to 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.440 turn down the temperature. Wouldn't be surprised if the President 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.600 had something to say about that, either today or on 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:40.320 the coming days. 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.720 There was an admission at the end of that statement 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:44.919 that the President delivered in Rohobop. She was asked, was 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.040 this an assassination attempt? And he said he had an opinion, 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.760 but he didn't have the facts. Walk us through how 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.240 he is getting these facts. He has been surrounded by 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.640 some of his closest advisor. Steve Chetty has been there, 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.800 his Homeland Security advisor, Secretary of Homeland Security, Head of 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.280 the Secret Service agency who is giving him information, and 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.240 just describe how wide the vacuument is at this point 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.359 in time as we look at this investigation, that's just 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:08.880 you know, in its first few hours here. 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:15.520 Yeah, that's right. He's been briefed by his team of advisors, 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.480 and as you mentioned, one of them is Live Show 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:22.960 with Daniels. Homeland Security advisor was also Alejandro Maiorchis, who 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:26.879 runs the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees Secret Service 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:29.680 and the several others. And what they're doing is they're 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.959 gathering information from the frontline law enforcement agencies who are 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:38.000 working on this, so Secret Service and FBI and the 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.560 Justice Department, and filtering that up to the president. And 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.320 as you heard last night, the FBI at the time 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.520 that they delivered that press conference at eleven forty five pm, 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:51.480 they said they had identify the suspect, they didn't name them, 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.320 and they also didn't know about the motive. So you 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.040 know this, the president only knows as much as the 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:00.320 law enforcem pages. So that's while. 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.840 You're okay, you guys are the pros here, David Gerr 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.000 and Jordan Fabian here, I get that there's going to 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.960 be a seven year investigation and this and that, and 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:12.760 you know, I was, actually, folks, I don't have the 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:16.440 number yet of the distance from the shooter to mister Trump, 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:17.960 but I was going to stand at the corner of 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:22.160 Fifth Avenue in Central Park and see how far past 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:25.880 the Apple store in past Bergdorf Goodman was at distance? 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:30.879 And David, the answer is clearly that perimeter failed. What's 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:35.440 the perimeter look like, Jordan Fabian in Milwaukee and in 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:40.120 Chicago for the president? Is the perimeter in Chicago up 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:40.920 to Wisconsin? 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.679 No, it's a great question, Tom, And there's clear questions 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:51.920 about how the Secret Service, who prepares these sites apparently 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:52.359 missed this. 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.800 Okay, but I get it that they missed it, and 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.080 there's going to be a six year warrant commission on that. 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:04.080 That deserves to be what happens in Milwaukee and Chicago, David, 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.400 I mean, they have to be in a full scale panic. 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:09.200 You know, I don't know if it's a panic so 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:12.000 much as just a complete reworking and reevaluation of what's 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.200 happened here. And you know, your to your comment Tom 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:16.560 about the proximity of where this shooter was, We're talking 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.560 hundreds of yards and from all that we've seen a 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.800 footage shot by those in the audience at this rally, uh, 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.760 sort of interviews with standers by and those who were 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:28.919 at the event afterward. This was incredibly closed. I mean, 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.280 I think, Jordan, you can give us some insight into this. 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:33.040 I know that in the immediate aftermath of this, there 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:35.479 were lawmakers who suggested that there should be you know, 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.399 a greater social security deep sorry, social scurity secret service 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.000 detail tagged to the to the president elect. Can you 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.320 just describe sort of the disparities so much as there 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:45.639 is one between the two of them, I mean safe 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:47.520 to say the former president here is traveling with an 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:48.640 awful lot of law enforcement. 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:54.160 Yeah, so former presidents usually have a smaller social security. 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:58.480 You and I both I tripped you up. I apologize, Yes, 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:00.400 Oh good, hell. 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:03.199 You know the former president, though, I mean, he had 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.879 a bigger one, given that, unlike other former presidents, he 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:09.600 was traveling around the country doing political events, and now, 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:12.600 of course is a nominee, so he did receive some 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:16.960 more secret Service coverage recently, although there are lawmakers who 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:20.040 want satisfied with that. But to Tom's question, there was 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:24.000 some complaints about for Republican organizers in Milwaukee about this 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:28.840 promenade that apparently exists near the main street near the 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:33.160 convention site. You know, the Secret Service and the organizers 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.000 said they work something out, but you have to imagine 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:38.280 they're going to be re examining every single planning detail 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:40.959 in the company weeks here, especially for Democrats and then 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:42.960 Dave for Republicans. 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:45.879 Jordan Fabian, thank you so much for starting early on 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:49.040 a Sunday with us, no doubt, an exhausting day, a 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.440 full day at the White House. Jordan Fabian, our White 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:54.440 House corresponded, And again we say thank you to Hedron 0:23:54.480 --> 0:24:01.320 Alan Krinn in Pennsylvania, in Pittsburgh, south of Block for 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:03.480 her coverage here early this morning. 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:05.520 And just when a flag times. She's written a wonderful 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:07.719 and very evocative piece about being at that rally. As 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:09.600 you said, we're not dwelling on what happened there and 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:11.840 what we see in the video and the sound of 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:15.240 that shooting, but she has written a first person piece 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:16.880 about being in the audience for that and what happened 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:18.840 in the aftermath. You can find that at Bloomberg dot 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:19.719 com and on the terminal. 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:23.320 We are fortunate to continue with Terry Haynes a Pangaea policy. 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:26.600 He has given us perspective over many months. Acourter even 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.960 the best thing about Terry David as he sends donuts. Yeah, 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.280 once in a while, it's the only reason we have him. 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:36.800 Back on Terry, we need to get of an assassination attempt, 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:43.960 back to some form of Caden's humor, the human comedy 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:47.400 of America. How are we going to get back there? Terry? 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:50.920 We did it after JFK. I would like to think 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:54.480 they did it after James Garfield in eighteen eighty one. 0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:58.320 But in this modern media frenzy, I don't get it. 0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:00.120 How do we get back to norm. 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:05.280 Well, I'm not sure things are. It'll take a long time. 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:10.680 You know, it took the echoes of President Kennedy's assassination 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:15.800 potted lots and lots of people for years and and 0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:19.719 you know, even in the seventies there was a congressional 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:26.040 investigation into the bullet theories and all the rest. I mean, 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:29.680 it never truly went away for a decade plus, and 0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:34.160 the reverberations are going to continue, and frankly, I think 0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:39.160 made worse but made more constant by the twenty four 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:42.239 to seven news cycle. In the videos that we that 0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:47.280 we now get constantly, but you know how it's done. Frankly, 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:51.880 I think is a hard lift which is started by 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:56.199 politicians of all stripes demonstrating a little more humility and 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:57.479 a little more sense of purpose. 0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:01.360 Terry, I want to ask you about Official Washington's response 0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:04.399 to this, and I think that probably you, like I, 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:07.080 have been looking at tweets and posts and reactions to 0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:08.760 all of this, and one stood out to me in particular, 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.359 and that's from the junior Senator from Ohio, from JD Vance, 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:14.400 who not long after this tweeted out. 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:14.800 Today. 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.240 Is not some isolated incident. The central premise of the 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:20.400 Biden campaign is that Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist. 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:24.359 That rhetoric led directly to the assassination attempt of Donald Trump. 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.600 An outlier comment, but there are others in that outlier camp. 0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:30.480 Again with the Junior Senator, and I note that we 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:32.440 heard from House Speaker Mike Johnson that the House will 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:35.879 conduct a full investigation of the tragic events today. You 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.200 bring up what happened with John F. 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:38.680 Kennedy. 0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:41.359 There was a period of time after that when the 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:44.240 business of the country was figuring out what happened here 0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:46.240 and how it was going to carry on. Here you 0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:49.320 have some politicians already pushing ahead to what I can 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.919 only assume will be rather circused, like hearings investigating this. 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:55.080 I mean that hearing the House Committee on Oversting account 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:57.439 Billy hearing scheduled on July the twenty second. 0:26:57.760 --> 0:26:58.600 What do you make of that? 0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:00.320 And as we talk, as Tom springs up through, how 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:02.600 we process this and move away and move ahead from it? 0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:04.480 How do you do it when you have these kind 0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:08.800 of countervailing factors at play, Well, it makes. 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:10.480 It tougher, you know, there and then there's there. There 0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.320 is a there's such a reflex built into so many 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:16.640 politicians of all stripes I should say. I mean, I 0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:19.760 you know, I find Senator Vance's comments over the top. 0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:22.720 But but then again, uh, you know, some of the 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:26.680 things you say it says are demonstrable. I mean they're true, 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:29.920 and you know the same of the other side. And 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:31.840 I'm not engaging in what about it is You're to 0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:35.520 to point out that both sides are way over their skis. 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.200 Which is why I get to humility. You know, I 0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:42.320 was asked on your air the day after January sixth, 0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:45.520 what I thought should happen and I said what I 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.880 just said this morning. Politicians need to demonstrate more humility there, 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:51.840 and there's plenty of them out there that reflexively aren't 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.440 doing it today. These people need to be a lot 0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:56.640 more humble and frankly, I think a lot more sober, 0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.960 and and that will help us get past this moment. 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.399 During the time left, I want to talk about the 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:08.040 president's constituency, the people President Trump's constituency, the people that 0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:12.359 were there yesterday. And I think that we all understand 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:18.760 President Biden has an encyclopedic knowledge of eastern Pennsylvania, the 0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:21.000 path here and you and I talked I think forty 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:24.720 eight hours ago. It seems about the seventeenth Congressional District, 0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:28.800 Connor Lamb's district, and how President Biden has lost those people. 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:33.680 Those people were in that audience yesterday. Give us your 0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:40.840 political picture of western Pennsylvania from Bethel Park south of Pittsburgh, 0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:44.760 up to Pittsburgh where Adrianna Loewencren came in moments ago, 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:47.680 and then up north on the New York border to Butler. 0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:49.800 Who were the audience yesterday. 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:54.400 Yeah, there's a everybody remembers the old James Carvel comment 0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.160 about you know there being the sort of four dots 0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:01.680 of blue and Pennsylvania surrounded by Alabama, Western Pennsylvania. What 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:06.160 Western Pennsylvania is politically today is a donut. The doughnut 0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:08.600 is a little sea of blue. And then that that 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.600 city is the city of Pittsburgh in a few immediate 0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:15.560 suburbs surrounded by an absolute sea of red. And these 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:21.520 people are are Historican. I'm from there, which you know 0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.560 doesn't give me any more Jews here, but it's but 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:30.160 I spent time there all my life, and what those 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:31.760 people are are historic. 0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:32.400 Uh. 0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:38.240 John Kennedy, Franklin Roosevelt, Scoop Jackson, Democrats who was spent 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:41.200 the last two generations, be perfectly disappointed. 0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:45.040 I'm going to you're fired up. We're gonna stay on 0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:49.880 this theme. David Gerra, he just hit my childhood from 0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:52.920 where you said, David Gerr, with all you've done in Washington, 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:59.160 how did the Democrats lose? Butler, Pa, That's the heart 0:29:59.200 --> 0:29:59.880 of this election. 0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:02.360 I'm going to appine here, and Terry, you should feel 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:03.760 free to jump in and set me straight if I 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:05.440 if I get this wrong. But I think that you 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:08.840 had a large swath of this population that grew disillusioned 0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:12.280 with how they were being looked at and taken care 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.720 of by those in power in Washington. I just think 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.080 about the current crucible that we're in here as we 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.160 as we look at the state of the steel industry, 0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:23.160 in particular in Pennsylvania, what happened when a Japanese company 0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:26.000 made an overture to take over US steel, a response 0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:28.680 to that, and how this is for all that Terry 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.440 describes a very contested area in this country. I mean, 0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.960 you have Joe Biden, also a son of Pennsylvania, vowed 0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:37.800 son of Pennsylvania, trying to appeal to voters in this area, 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:39.840 trying to reclaim them, trying to say that he's one 0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:42.240 of them as well. That's my sense of it. Terry, 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:44.760 Am I right there? When do you see that transition 0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:46.960 is happening when you when you saw that movement away 0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:51.760 from being straight and unquestionable Democrats to to turning purple 0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.120 and then I think more welcoming of the Republican Party. 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:54.520 In Western Pa. 0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.680 Yeah, David, I think you're I think you're I think 0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.240 you're right about that. I think also you've got two 0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:04.480 things going on. One, people are hugely disappointed and I 0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:08.960 think feel marginalized by how very little was done to 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.680 try to reach out to them. You know, the Democratic 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:17.400 outreach tends to be in that area, tends to be 0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:20.280 over the last thirty years or so, tends to be 0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:23.840 you know, banging on kind of the greatest hits of 0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:31.160 past industry combined with marginalizing, marginalized programs for marginalized people. Well, 0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.520 we'll work or retrain you, we'll do this, we'll do that, 0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:38.520 we'll do the other thing. And that's number one. Number two, 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:42.800 there's a real concern being the old style of patriots 0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:48.040 as many of these folks are, that Democratic parties losing 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:51.840 them by frankly talking about, you know, other groups at 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:54.520 the expense of kind of dealing with the bedrock problems 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:58.800 of the country. And then you also get a sense that, 0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:04.440 you know that Biden administration Democrats generally are attacking the 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:10.240 economic engine that exists in that region now, which is energy, 0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:14.760 which is fracking and the like. And you know, and 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.960 they take very personally the idea that the new economic 0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:22.200 engine is something that's under attack by Democrats. I think 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:26.640 a lot of that combines to flip them. You have 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.479 only to look south to west Virginia does see how 0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:33.280 quickly that sort of went and goes. 0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:36.320 Terry, I'd love to ask you lastly here just to 0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:40.240 comment on the historical resonance of this and maybe help 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:44.000 us think through how this reshapes American politics broadly. When 0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:47.000 I was living in Washington, when i'd go up Connecticut Avenue, 0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.400 I'd look over at the Hilton there think about what 0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.600 happened in nineteen eighty one. It still seemed very resonant. 0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:56.120 It was a place on the map because of that, 0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:59.400 like other landmarks in Washington or I'm curious if you 0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:03.320 feel the same way and how you see what happened 0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:08.560 yesterday in Pennsylvania reshaping American attitudes toward politics. We know 0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:11.480 that Donald Trump welcomes big crowds. I was thinking, and 0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:14.800 Amy Morris, our colleague, was leading our coverage yesterday, and 0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:16.640 asked me a very good question about this, going back 0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.160 to January sixth, when he was kind of welcoming of all, 0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:21.200 dismissive of the fact that there needed to be metal 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:23.800 detectors for the rally that he had on the National Mall, 0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:27.200 then playing a little fast and loose with security there, 0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:33.120 but again really welcoming large crowds, enthusiasm for politics, his 0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:36.560 brand of politics, how does this reshape that at all? 0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:38.960 And how do you process how do you think that 0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:40.600 this will resonate going forward? 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:45.280 You know, I'm with you on the history. You know, 0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:47.800 I'm like the kid in the sixth sense, where you know, 0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:51.120 I see dead people all the time. I live in Alexandria, Virginia, 0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:55.120 which used to brand itself the most historic town in 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:59.360 the United States, home of George Washington, Robert Lee, others. 0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:03.160 And you know, I see it everywhere. I saw you 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.960 have the same residence as that you do. You know 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:09.400 what I get in Washington today, though, is a is 0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:13.759 a sense where you know, the politics are are kind 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:19.840 of curdled into team Red, Team blue, you know, reflexively 0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:26.480 branded stuff, pursued and purvayed mostly by people who are 0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:30.799 who are invested in that, and in very little, very 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.400 little of thinking outside the box and thinking of the 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:35.680 national interest, in thinking about how to have to move forward. 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:39.080 And I think this probably for the country at large, 0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:42.600 I think that probably only disasser base that perception. 0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.400 Terry, thank you for your generous time this Sunday morning. 0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:49.839 Terry Haynes appenzea folks writing exceptionally bright notes. You can 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:53.600 see them out on linked in I really can't say 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.160 enough about a follow on LinkedIn as being a value 0:34:56.200 --> 0:35:00.359 add from Terry Haynes a Pangaea. There's a blue here. 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:02.440 David and I have decided we're really not going to 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:04.799 go back and relive what we all were riveted by 0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:08.360 for five hours last night. We're going to look forward. 0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:12.480 And in Milwaukee is the person piece. There's people, folks 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:16.760 that piece together twenty and forty people and keep it going. 0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:20.440 The queen of all nighters for Bloomberg News is Tyler 0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:25.759 Kendall in Milwaukee right now leading our convention technical structure. 0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:30.200 And there's a small sentence at eleven PM last night 0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:34.680 that I missed this evening President Biden spoke to former 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:39.520 President Trump. David that slipped through the late night that 0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:41.040 the two gentlemen spoke. 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:44.759 And it bears us thinking about these are two politicians 0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:46.839 who have a great deal of enmity toward each other 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.200 on the campaign trail, and there was something extraordinary about that. 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:52.319 Extraordinary in the sense that it hasn't happened before. Joe 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:55.960 hasn't called Donald, and they haven't spoken by phone before. 0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:59.000 So this is a remarkable moment that took place, and 0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:02.560 you could see the gravity of it. As Joe Biden 0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:05.480 spoke in Delaware saying he tried to reach him. Donald 0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:07.279 Trump was with his doctors. Then he was unable to. 0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.560 But several times during that very brief statement in Delaware, 0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:13.080 present by An emphasized that he wanted to get him 0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:14.239 on the phone, hope to get him on the phone. 0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:16.040 And as you say, Tom, we got that readout saying 0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:18.520 that the two of them had spoken. No more detail 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:20.480 besides that, but it's significant enough that the two of 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:20.920 them spoke. 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:24.360 David Gurra and Tom Keen a special edition of Bloomberg 0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:29.400 Surveillance from our world headquarters in New York. Good conversation 0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.680 to come as we move forward. Professor Schuller Brown University 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:36.480 on the scope in the reach of our history of assassination, 0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:41.560 an assassination attempt. We do that. Next, we'rend Bloomberg Radio 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:52.640 worldwide and across the nation on a Sunday morning. 0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:59.840 This is Bloomberg Surveillance with Tom Keen and Paul Sweeney 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:01.360 on Bloomberg Radio. 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:05.880 Good morning everyone, Tom Keane with my special guest David 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:09.800 ger Of course the big take out on Bloomberg Podcast, 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:12.839 but so much more. David Gerry here today on this 0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:17.360 horrific Sunday morning after an assassination attempt, with this wonderful 0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:21.279 political coverage. All he's done for NBC and NPR, and 0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:25.600 we're thrilled to have them back with Bloomberg as well. David, 0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:28.960 you're always way more prepared than I am. What is 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:33.040 your insight of what needs to be done by the 0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:36.480 Trump administration in the next twenty four hours. 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:38.360 I'll pick up on what Terry said, and I was 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.040 struck by the renaissance of his comments, residents of his comments, 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:42.799 and he brought up the fact that what he said 0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:45.399 today is right in line with what he said after 0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:48.520 January sixth, and so he's calling for the rhetoric to 0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.919 be calmer and politicians to take a step back, wait 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.800 a while to comment beyond just expressing their thanks to 0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:58.160 law enforcement and good wishes to the former president. But 0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:01.200 I think we have seen in recent weeks, as we 0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:04.880 were discussing with Terry, a very disciplined Trump campaign. He 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:08.239 hasn't been out there fulminating on the campaign trail. He's 0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:11.040 been content to let Democrats battle it out over their 0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:14.640 prospects and what's going to happen in Chicago. I expect 0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:16.680 that we will have this reframed for us in that 0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:18.160 marquee speech in Milwaukee. 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:20.359 And this is thursdents Thursday night. 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.759 But they got to get from Tuesday. They got to 0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:26.719 get Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and they've got the usual victims 0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:31.120 lined up the speech. Is anyone listening to those speeches anymore? 0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:34.479 I mean, Wendy Schiller remembers David Girl when we hung 0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:39.960 on every single word within the pageantry from where you sait, David, 0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:41.320 the pageantry's gone. 0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:43.560 Right happened yesterday. There was a strong effort by the 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:46.640 former president to make this must CTV. For lack of 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:48.879 a better term, he hasn't named his vice presidential pick. 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:50.160 And I think that that is the thing that most 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.960 of America would have and will seize on now, is 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:54.640 who that individual is going to be and what he 0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:57.680 or she has to say on the stage in Milwaukee, and. 0:38:57.719 --> 0:39:01.480 This Sunday morning across America, on Bloomberg, on many of 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:04.080 her other services as well, David Gerr and Tom Keene's 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:07.520 special edition of Bloomberg Surveillance, which means we need a 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:11.399 special guest. She is at Brown University. Wendy Schiller joins 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:15.200 us a definitive book on American civics, a sense of 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:18.720 history that folds into the present day, in our future, 0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:22.239 Professor Schiller, good morning. When I first heard this news, 0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:25.880 John Farroh actually called me to tell me of the news, 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:30.799 and I thought of George Wallace in nineteen seventy two. 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:36.200 We can take our violence of assassination, an assassination attempt, 0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:42.400 back to Garfield, to Lincoln and frankly beyond, Professor Schiller, 0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:46.440 why is America so violent in its politics? 0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:49.160 Well, you know, I thought about that too. I thought about, 0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:51.840 of course Juanna Lagan as well. And I was grateful 0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:56.600 to see from President Trump emerged relatively okay, but he 0:39:56.760 --> 0:39:59.560 was in fact shot in the ear. And then the 0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:03.920 said of having attendees killed and injured is you know, 0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:07.120 really just brings us back exactly to these traumatic moments 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:10.520 in American political life where we say, how could that happen? 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:15.240 And yet it happens very frequently in America, even relative 0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:17.200 to any other country, at least in the twentieth century 0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:20.440 and certainly the twenty first century. And we have a culture. 0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.280 You can argue, it's a gun culture, and that guns 0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:26.080 are too easy to get. There's this sort of AR 0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:29.759 fifteen argument that's going around. However, as we all know, 0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:33.480 those prior acts of violence were not committed with AR fifteens, 0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:37.000 so they've still happened anyway, and we have to ask 0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:40.880 ourselves that we have this weird juxtaposition between peaceful transitions 0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:44.279 of power, which we have had with January sixth, with 0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:48.279 some exception, but that's still happened relatively peacefully after that, 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:50.759 and the rest of the world, which has not had 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:53.840 that history a peaceful transition of power. So it's this 0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.960 really stark difference between our culture and the violence we 0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:01.279 see everyday, gun violence but also local violence, and then 0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:04.600 our system, which compared to us, the world, you know, 0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:06.440 remains very peaceful. 0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:07.680 And orderly, doctor Schuler. 0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.279 I was in a diner in Brooklyn last night when 0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:12.160 this happened and looked up at the screen and saw 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:14.200 those fifteen seconds being. 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:15.279 Replayed over and over again. 0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:19.239 And I've got three kids eleven and younger watching it 0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:21.759 with me, and fielded a lot of difficult questions as 0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:24.560 a result of that. What happened, How did this happen? 0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:28.799 What does it mean? Is this politics? You teach the 0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:33.520 American presidency other classes to brown undergrads older than my kids, 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:35.960 but I imagine they have similar questions. They haven't lived 0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:38.160 through this, They don't have a memory of nineteen eighty one. 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:41.680 What do you say to younger people in this country 0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:44.680 about the state of politics today. What's something like what 0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.880 happened yesterday means for the shape of American politics today? 0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:52.359 Well, I mean our obviously you know this too. Our 0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:56.720 political rhetoric has in fact declined. We have had periods 0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.960 of time when in the press people said horrible thing 0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:03.240 about politicians, going back to John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. 0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:06.440 It's not that that is new. It's that it's not 0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:10.680 just politicians, it's people and everyday voters, people sort of 0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:14.200 not having family conversations, you know, not associating with people 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:19.280 because of their political affiliation. Called that negative partisanship. It's 0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:23.800 hatred that's now been really cultivated of the other side, 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.360 and we dehumanize the other side when we hate, and 0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:32.160 that element has intensified in the last ten to fifteen years. Sadly, 0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:36.200 your kids, very sadly, and on the kids that I'm teaching, 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.960 have lived through school gun violence in a way that 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:41.800 we did not when I was a kid. So their 0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:44.839 world is populated with gun violence. So they are more 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:47.799 used to that than we are, so we look at 0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.960 it as political violence as a threat, But that generation says, 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.440 will I be safe going to school? So I think 0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:56.080 these two things have come together in this moment in time. 0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:59.799 Is there optimism in Providence that this can change? I 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.240 think to what was actually kind of a quaint moment 0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:03.680 just a couple of days ago, when you had this 0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:07.560 transition of power, peaceful transition of power in London. You 0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:11.600 heard from Rischie Sunak acknowledging political differences with the guy 0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:14.520 who defeated him, with Kiir Starmer, and a very generous 0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:16.440 speech from Kiers Starmer when he was named Prime Minister 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:18.719 as well, And there was something again both quaint but 0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:22.480 also refreshing about that. Can you envision in America when 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:24.680 we get back to that, when things aren't as fraud 0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.200 and there is that kind of comedy c u mit 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:29.279 y that we haven't had here in a long time. 0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:33.200 You know, you know, I was listening this morning about 0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:36.160 Joe Wilson. When Joe Wilson consonan in South Carolina, Have 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:36.560 you lie? 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:36.879 Same? 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:39.239 From the State of the Union address that President. 0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:40.240 Radwy Union you lie? 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:41.719 So I thought I was trying to sort of say, 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:43.880 when did this happen? You know ten people on the 0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:46.080 left or people who don't like Trump say, well, Trump 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:49.360 elevated the rhetoric and it's his fault, you know, his 0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:53.120 speech is his locker upper Hillary. But no, you know, 0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:56.400 we had this under Obama and it started to decline, 0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:59.000 and on the left and the right participates in this. 0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:03.040 I think it's become, unfortunately bipartisan. So it's not directly 0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:06.400 attributed just to Donald Trump in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:09.400 It was happening before that, this sort of real visceral 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:12.720 anger that really broke all the barriers at school board meetings. 0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:16.520 You have people screaming hateful things. We just didn't have 0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:19.719 that twenty years ago. So am I optimistic that can 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:22.319 turn the corner? I do think depends on you know, 0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:25.480 it swings in American politics. So I do think there's 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:27.960 a limit that people will tolerate in terms of this rhetoric. 0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:31.280 On a Sunday morning at Professor Schiller and of course 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:34.400 the heritage here of George Washington traveling up near your 0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:38.319 providence to Newport, Rhode Island, and the Jewish synagogue in 0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:39.880 the late eighteenth. 0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:41.880 Century, the district synagogue. 0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:47.240 The distance of this shot that missed the president wounding 0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:51.319 the vice former president wounding him is a distance from 0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:55.200 the Fifth Avenue Synagogue here in New York City, past 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:59.919 Saint Thomas Fifth Avenue, the church of Norman Rockwell's painting, 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:04.759 down to Saint Patrick's Cathedral. I mean, where with the 0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:09.239 Milwaukee Convention, the president at church are coming out of 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:14.080 church when he learns of former President Trump's attempt at assassination. 0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:19.200 How does religion change with this assassination attempt? Is a 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:21.520 debate in a construct in America. 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.919 Well, I mean, you know you're tell me you're really 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:29.000 trying something to the breakdown of local communities. You know, 0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:31.879 you know it got exacerbated under COVID. But we used 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:35.799 to see each other in contexts that were different than politics, 0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:41.600 work for example, church, synagogue, mosque, school, social gatherings. We 0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:45.560 used to interact with each other far more, you know, personally, 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:48.680 and we don't anymore. And the ability to dehumanize. We've 0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:51.120 seen this with mass shootings and young men. You know, 0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:54.000 we see this now people are objects, they're not human beings, 0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:56.920 and we don't interact enough with each other outside of 0:45:56.960 --> 0:46:00.719 politics where we recognize that we have bonds that connect us, 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:04.400 and that is a sociological phenomenon that's been happening with 0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:07.840 the rise of technology and also obviously the pandemic. You know, 0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:09.600 people talk about going back to work and how nice 0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:11.120 it is to work at home. Yes, we can all 0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:13.239 talk about those advantages if you're lucky enough to have them, 0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:18.920 but they do degrade social bonds in society, and politicians 0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:21.600 can't fix that. So we're looking to politicians to fix 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:24.200 something that is really deeper and broader than what they 0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:24.720 can handle. 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:28.520 Doctor Schuler, you're heading up the Watson Institute here for 0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:33.760 a few more months, Cather on an inn basis, deserve 0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:34.400 it sabbatical. 0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:37.520 After that, I got a temporary raise. Yeah, very good, 0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:39.440 very good, Yeah for the next year. 0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:41.560 But you're thinking a lot, I imagine, and talking a 0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:45.560 lot about international relations. And I was struck again following 0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:48.839 this news. How quickly and in what droves we heard 0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:52.359 from world leaders about this. Give me your perspective on 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:56.160 how this is resonating around the world based on what 0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:59.520 we've read, what we've seen so far from world leaders. Obviously, 0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:02.279 there are opinions about the proliferation of guns in this 0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:05.200 country and violence and the rhetoric that we've been talking about. 0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:08.480 But what's your sense of how other world leaders are 0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:09.400 watching this unfold. 0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:12.319 Well, I think there's a general sense. I mean, we've seen, 0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:15.200 you know, a punch in the face or the shoulder. 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.799 I think in Copenhagen, at the primes of Denmark, we've 0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.280 seen the assassination in other parts of the country attempted 0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.479 the world like we've seen in Latin America, we've seen 0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:27.040 in Eastern Europe. So we are seeing political violence all 0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:29.719 over the world elevate to people who like I'm going 0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:32.000 I'm gonna get punched on the streets of Copenhagen. So 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:34.920 there's that, right, So I don't think there's that much surprise. 0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:37.480 And then of course there's the gun culture in America. 0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:39.879 But I think the fear among leaders is that the 0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:44.000 Trump rhetoric about international relations, and then when Trump can 0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:49.000 elevate that rhetoric in a way that's fairly feisty, you know, 0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:52.600 it may concern them that this will solidify support around Trump, 0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:55.440 and that Trump will win. The election's over and it's 0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:57.799 already done, and that we will be living with this 0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:00.360 on a world stage for the next four year. So 0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:03.160 I think international leaders are really trying to see how 0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:06.640 this assassination attempt, you know, affects the election going forward, 0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:11.000 and does it intensify the you know, the negative partnership, 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:12.520 sort of the divide in the society. 0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:16.520 Wendy Schuler, thank you so much. Professor Schiller at Brown University. 0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:19.200 I'm sure we'll hear from her as we progress to 0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:24.440 Milwaukee and Chicago as well. She has expertise on Capitol 0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:27.720 Hill and the legislative processes of the nation, but far 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:32.759 more understands the pulse of the apparatus of our American 0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:37.279 politics forward. She's with Veda Partners. Henrietta, your thoughts when 0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:39.799 you learned of this in the vicinity of the six 0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:41.840 thirty hour yesterday evening. 0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:46.239 Thank you so much for having me this morning. It 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:49.120 was shocking, you know, what should have been a relatively 0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:53.080 quiet weekend going into a lot of fanfare and pomp 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:57.960 and circumstances of the convention ended up being something that 0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:01.239 I would say, my first take way after being you know, 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:03.640 just sort of shocked and awed by the entire event, 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:07.120 and you know, thankful that everybody was safe, including the 0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:10.000 former president, was really just the inevitability of it. It 0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:14.160 just feels so tense around America. I mean, that's certainly 0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:17.120 what blew up around me as this is happening. Was 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:20.000 just I can't believe that it happened, and yet at 0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:23.320 the same time I absolutely can. Things are so fraught 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:26.520 and tensions are so high that that was really the 0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:29.319 first takeaway and the one that cemented in my mind 0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:30.040 after last night. 0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:32.360 Talk more about that, if you would. I'm on the 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:34.240 same page as you, and I wonder if that's because 0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:37.399 of the way this general election is being framed. We're 0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:40.120 hearing of it as a very pivotal election, of course, 0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:42.480 one where democracy is at stake, where there's the risk 0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:45.120 of authoritarianism. If you listen to the Democrats, if you 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:47.920 listen to the Republicans, Donald Trump on that debate stage 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:50.239 talking about the very real prospects as he sees them 0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:51.200 of World War three? 0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:52.520 Is that? 0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:55.399 Is it simply that discreetly or is it something that's 0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:58.040 more of a consequence of a kind of slow evolution 0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:01.720 toward of a messier and were fraud and more antagonistic 0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:03.400 brand of politics in this country. 0:50:04.800 --> 0:50:07.399 I think you don't have to single either of those 0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:09.960 things out. I mean, they're both very valid. You can 0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:12.560 go back to January sixth, which is obviously something that 0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:15.040 you know, we saw and there were certainly deaths, but 0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:17.000 our main takeaway was, gosh, it could have been so 0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:19.480 much worse. I mean, how many senators and lawmakers to 0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:25.120 be here say that exact rephrase, you know, just expecting 0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:28.879 the worse and being grateful that it wasn't that more 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:32.320 more bad than that. And that's that's really the takeaway 0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:35.640 that I had from last night, thankful that it wasn't worse. 0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:41.160 I think that sort of sense of everybody's out to 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:44.560 get me is definitely the perspective from President former President Trump. 0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:49.080 You know, the trials and the convictions and the felony counts, 0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:51.600 everybody's out to get me kind of vibe, And then 0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:54.959 you get it from the president's side. At the same time, 0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:59.000 you know, the elites are against me. I mean, it's 0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:01.759 not quite the same thing, but there's just this victimhood 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:06.400 sense and this view that everybody is being hilleried against 0:51:06.440 --> 0:51:08.040 I am the president or thesident. 0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:10.080 This is brilliant. This is why we love having Henry 0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:12.960 Treson in the word. I thought of somewhat like the 0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:17.120 victim that Henriette's talking about. David Kerry is just this 0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:23.000 sense of grievance across America, in our markets, in our 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:28.080 discussion of Bloomberg elites and the haves asset owners in America, 0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:32.160 there's almost a celebration of prosperity right now. And this 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:37.680 is at the same time a nation, both parties feeling grievance. 0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:40.040 Both parties feeling grievance. And Henriette, if I could, I'd 0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:42.120 love to go back to sort of your experience working 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:44.000 on Capitol Hill. You've worked on the north side, in 0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:47.200 the south side, the House and the Senate, And in 0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:50.680 the hours since this attack, we have seen comments from 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:55.840 elected representatives calling for committee hearings and investigations. Is that 0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:58.759 healthy as you see it so soon after this to 0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:01.400 kind of move ahead to that type of investigation and 0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:03.040 sort of what do you want to see the role 0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:06.799 of official Washington and the legislative branch playing here as 0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:07.680 we learn more information. 0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:12.520 I think it's appropriate to hold hearings and you know, 0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:14.640 make sure that the safety of any of our elected 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:17.719 officials is paramount. I fear for that all the time. 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:20.640 I'm one of the kinds of people who really respects 0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:22.319 a lot of our elected officials that I want them 0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:24.040 to be safe so that more people will join the 0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:26.960 fray and we get better talent to join the ranks 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:29.000 of the House and the Senate members. I think that 0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:32.920 serves America in general. So if there is to be 0:52:33.040 --> 0:52:36.480 hearings and to discuss the role of the Secret Service, 0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:38.200 I mean, all the things that went right, you know, 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:40.720 the president, the former president is safe, he is sound. 0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:43.120 You know, that's that's the testament to their good work. 0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:48.160 I don't know that committee hearings being weaponized is good 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:51.680 for America. That's certainly something that we have seen. I 0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:53.560 certainly don't want to make a martyr of the shooter 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:55.439 or anything along those lines. So I hope that that's 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.239 handled with care. It's a fraught situation, and I think 0:52:58.280 --> 0:53:00.520 members are right to use whatever power or they have 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:04.239 to try to, you know, really suss out all the 0:53:04.280 --> 0:53:07.200 details of the situation, because that's what the American public 0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:09.319 wants to see. They want to know what happened, and 0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:11.600 that's the role of Congress, and that's the role of oversight. 0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:14.120 I've got to do reporting here now, Henrietta Trace. I 0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:17.960 want to ask a delicate question among our institutions of 0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:23.200 law enforcement in your Washington is a Secret Service respected? 0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:28.720 I think January sixth called a lot of the Secret 0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:33.680 Service into question, you know, with the rally and with 0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:39.279 the licenses that have been granted. I think there's so 0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:41.920 much of that to go around, and I hope that 0:53:41.920 --> 0:53:43.840 they're able to answer a lot of questions this morning 0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:45.600 and in the days ahead, because they're going to get along. 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:48.960 David, your thoughts on that difficult question, You've lived it down. 0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:52.520 There Are they respected? Like you know, I think of CIA, 0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:55.400 FBI and the rest of the alphabet soup, I don't understand. 0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:57.160 I think that they are. 0:53:57.200 --> 0:53:59.279 I think that anyway is right that there have been 0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:01.600 questions about them, and certainly there's been some scandal within 0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:04.360 the department in these recent years. And you know, a 0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:05.960 person whose name has come up here in the last 0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:07.600 few hours is Kim Cheedle, who's the head of the 0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.480 Secret Service. And you had somebody like Elon Musk saying 0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:13.040 that she should step down, noting that she worked at PepsiCo. 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:14.080 Well, she spent. 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:15.920 Thirty years at the Secret Service before that. So I 0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:18.680 think there is going to be deserved scrutiny on the 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:20.879 agency here in the in the weeks to come, weeks 0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:24.400 and months to come. But you know, I watching that 0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:26.520 video so many times, as we all did, because it 0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:30.040 played over and over again. One had to admire the 0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:33.040 integrity of those who work for that agency in moving 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:36.240 quickly to surround the president get him off that stage 0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:38.799 into a car safely. These are people who do take 0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:40.800 an oath to protect the president of the United States, 0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:42.080 and that is a very grave thing. 0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:48.319 Tom, Henrietta, I want to talk about your Capitol Hill, 0:54:48.680 --> 0:54:51.400 and I guess we're not. We'll say, ask pure political 0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:53.480 questions now, But when you have Henrietta Treys. 0:54:53.280 --> 0:54:55.959 In the phone, that's temptation to do so. 0:54:56.160 --> 0:55:01.760 Percolating out there in the Gura zeitgeist is a Republican sweep? 0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:06.840 How do you interpret people claiming or predicting, or hoping 0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:10.280 or against a Republican sweep? 0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:15.000 November fifth, Well, I think that the twenty twenty election 0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:18.439 is a lot closer than people remember. I think that 0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:22.399 it took a global pandemic to have Joe Biden win, 0:55:23.000 --> 0:55:26.120 and I think that right now the Democratic Party is 0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:30.400 way behind where their voters are. And when that is 0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:33.400 the case, you either get to press turnout or you 0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:38.480 get the independent and moderate voter base, which decides all 0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:41.800 American elections in just a handful of states saying you 0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:44.279 know what, I'm not voting for the Democratic Party right now, 0:55:44.640 --> 0:55:47.439 and they either stay home or they vote for Donald Trump. 0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:49.000 And you have to think that there's a rally around 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:53.120 the flag moment right now stemming from an assassination attempt, 0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:55.320 which is so jarring to so many people. It hasn't 0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:58.560 happened in decades in America, and it's something that I 0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:02.839 think will serve hopefully for a moment of solemnity and 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:07.520 resignation is the last thing that you want, but definitely 0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:12.080 a sense of you know, this decision has serious consequences. 0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:16.239 The Democrats are in extreme disarray, and I think that 0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:20.040 the base case on the street right now and certainly 0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:24.040 within VC, is that this is pretending a Republican wave. 0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:27.640 And what's been interesting about that, and I have struggled with, 0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:31.400 is that statistically our odds have been ninety percent or 0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:33.880 higher that the Senate goes Republican, and it's only a 0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:37.759 five percent chance in my view, that the House will 0:56:37.920 --> 0:56:41.280 flip to Democratic control on the event that President former 0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:45.960 President Trump wins. Now, it's not just a statistical red 0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:49.600 wave because of geography and which states are up this cycle. 0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:52.320 It just so happens that they're all in swing states 0:56:52.320 --> 0:56:54.759 where if the president win, if former president wins, he's 0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:57.160 going to win those Senate seats as well. It's really 0:56:57.239 --> 0:57:00.719 now more how many seats are we talking talking not 0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:03.319 just fifty one fifty three Senate seats, but fifty five 0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:07.200 to fifty six? Are we talking Republican gains in the 0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:09.760 House of you know, two hundred and twenty five seats? 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:12.680 Are we talking two hundred and forty seven seats? That's 0:57:12.719 --> 0:57:15.319 the distinction that Democrats have to face right now that 0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:17.840 it's not just a statistical red leave that we would 0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:20.640 expect to see given what's at stake and what seats 0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:23.400 are on, But is this a tsunami style election? And 0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:26.760 I think that's what's happening in the race right now 0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:29.000 with Joe Bidens and systems that he's going. 0:57:28.920 --> 0:57:31.919 To stay in Well, the upside of it all. Henrietta Trace, 0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:35.080 thank you so much for joining us. Your perspective incredibly valued. 0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:37.680 She's like when we put her on the podcast Single 0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:38.840 Best Idea, I. 0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:40.360 Mean it goes right, Single Best Podcast. 0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:43.400 It's just like, you know, she's a star. Henrietta Trace, 0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:47.360 thank you so much. To show you how folks, the 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:51.280 world's been turned upside down. Steve Kernaky over at NBC 0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:54.240 just announces they're going to delay their poll. They're not 0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:56.440 they were going to have a big fanfare today and 0:57:56.480 --> 0:57:58.560 announce that I Meet the Press. You will here Meet 0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:01.440 the Press. I'm Blue Olomberg Radio, along with all the 0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:04.760 talk shows. Arguably the most important day we've ever had 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:08.480 of this service. Eleven am, Meet the Press, twelve noon, 0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:13.080 Fox News Sunday, one pm, The ABC This Week with 0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:17.280 George Stephanovlis and Face a Nation at two pm. And 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:19.960 thank you to Margaret Brennan for her commitment to all 0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:22.840 that we do here. But David, that shows how things 0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:25.840 are upside down. A poll with fanfare, delight. 0:58:26.560 --> 0:58:27.880 And reasonably so. 0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:30.480 I mean, we're just left to wonder how this can 0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:33.320 reshape things and change the direction of this campaign. So 0:58:33.400 --> 0:58:36.120 we will watch closely, listen closely to all of those shows. 0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:38.720 I saw Senator Graham, Senator Sanders scheduled to be un 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:40.400 Meet the Press, very interested to hear what they have 0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:43.680 to say about the political atmosphere and what this means 0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:46.320 for the culture of America going forward. 0:58:46.480 --> 0:58:48.800 Our conversation this morning to all of you across the 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:53.880 nation worldwide, is we're hoping a measured conversation about our 0:58:54.000 --> 0:59:00.439 American politics, our American violence in this assassination attempt. Part 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:04.600 of that is people with perspective and experience. David, Girl, 0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:07.880 why don't you bring in our esteem. Rick Davis here, 0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:10.880 with all of his work with Senator McCain and with 0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:12.840 President Reagan years ago. 0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:15.360 Had a familiar face on Bloomberg's balance of Powerstone we 0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:18.200 hear from many days of the week giving us perspective 0:59:18.200 --> 0:59:21.040 in real time on this campaign and politics in Washington. 0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:24.360 He's a partner at Rick Davis. We were talking about 0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:28.640 what this might mean for the politics the campaign going forward. 0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:30.880 We're going to spend some time with you here after 0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:32.800 the break, but in the minute that we have here, 0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:36.080 what does the former president need to say when he 0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:39.240 takes the stage in Milwaukee. How does he take stock 0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:42.080 and give us his impression of what's happened here and 0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:44.080 how it reshapes the campaign going forward. What do you 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:46.520 need to hear from him in Milwaukee? 0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:50.960 I think going into yesterday, both sides had really hot rhetoric. 0:59:51.640 --> 0:59:56.640 It was divissive on both sides, Democrats and Republicans. Heat 0:59:56.680 --> 1:00:01.080 of the campaign, very close selection, do it out, and 1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:03.280 I think this is the moment for a pivot. I think, 1:00:03.360 --> 1:00:06.560 you know, Donald Trump can take the high ground, and 1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:10.720 it's been offered to him. It's a moment in historic 1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:13.840 time and it's going to be interesting to see how 1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:16.960 they capitalize on it. And by the way, distinctly different 1:00:17.640 --> 1:00:21.600 than how this convention has been organized message wise going 1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:22.840 into tomorrow. 1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:25.280 Rick Davis, we're going to come back. I don't want 1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:28.080 to squeeze you too short here, mister Davis in Milwaukee, 1:00:28.080 --> 1:00:31.240 of course, all of his service to the Republican Party. 1:00:31.280 --> 1:00:34.040 It's going to be a piercing conversation. You're going to 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:35.840 hear it. To get us to ninet thirty, we'll come 1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:40.200 back with Rick Davis. I don't know how you get 1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:45.880 from Milwaukee to Chicago. I mean, things, David Gerr have 1:00:46.000 --> 1:00:48.400 just been absolutely turned upside down. 1:00:48.560 --> 1:00:50.640 Feels very day by day, and I just think of 1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:53.920 the circumstances that the Democratic Party is in, the current 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:57.280 president is in after that disastrous debate, so many people 1:00:57.320 --> 1:01:01.680 saying the way to quell those anst move things forward, 1:01:02.000 --> 1:01:05.040 be out there more, take more questions, do more campaigning. 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:07.880 He's now entering a period when the focus is going 1:01:07.920 --> 1:01:09.960 to shift squarely on the Republican Party as we moved 1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:12.440 to this convention in Milwaukee. He has this opportunity for 1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:15.680 an interview with Lester Holt on Monday. But then there 1:01:15.760 --> 1:01:17.880 is a kind of necessary quiet that we'll set in, 1:01:17.920 --> 1:01:20.200 and I'm very curious to hear from Rick when we 1:01:20.240 --> 1:01:21.920 come back, sort of what his counsel would be to 1:01:21.960 --> 1:01:25.200 the current president about how to play a role in 1:01:25.280 --> 1:01:29.320 this very vital and important conversation about what this means 1:01:29.320 --> 1:01:30.360 for the country going forward. 1:01:30.880 --> 1:01:34.120 Lots to speak about here are Nancy Cook so experienced 1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:37.800 with Bloomberg. Writing in her headline this morning, she reports 1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:42.760 bloody defiant Trump's image pumps up Gop Bass after shooting, 1:01:42.800 --> 1:01:44.560 and of course all that having to do with their 1:01:44.600 --> 1:01:47.840 coverage in Milwaukee. Joe Matthew's scheduled to be with us 1:01:47.840 --> 1:01:51.400 here this morning, as well as David Gera mentioned Balance 1:01:51.440 --> 1:01:56.760 of Power headlining our coverage tomorrow in Milwaukee and tonight 1:01:57.120 --> 1:02:02.080 special coverage from five to seven pm worldwide on Bloomberg 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:06.600 Television and Bloomberg Radio. David Gerry and Tom Keen on 1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:10.240 the Sunday Morning across the nation, a special edition of 1:02:10.280 --> 1:02:11.520 Bloomberg Surveillance. 1:02:24.480 --> 1:02:28.280 This is Bloomberg Surveillance with Tom Keane and Paul Sweeney 1:02:28.640 --> 1:02:29.840 on Bloomberg Radio. 1:02:30.200 --> 1:02:33.440 Good morning everyone, David and Tom Keena special edition of 1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:36.840 Bloomberg Surveillance from our road headquarters in New York. But 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:40.880 we're utilizing all the resources of Bloomberg. A special thanks 1:02:40.880 --> 1:02:45.200 to Hedrianna Laurencren, who was in Butler, Pennsylvania yesterday. She 1:02:45.320 --> 1:02:49.280 is one of our newest freshly minted reporters. And you know, David, 1:02:49.320 --> 1:02:52.440 you think about you come out of University Pennsylvania. She 1:02:52.600 --> 1:02:55.560 was an intern for Bloomberg Surveillance. Worst job on the 1:02:55.600 --> 1:03:00.320 planet and we need you in the crucible of newsgathering 1:03:01.120 --> 1:03:03.880 to get it done. And someone like her and many 1:03:03.920 --> 1:03:06.280 others in Butler delivered the goods. 1:03:06.400 --> 1:03:06.600 Yeah. 1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:09.120 And I can't say enough good things about the strength 1:03:09.120 --> 1:03:11.560 of our coverage of the former president's campaign. Stephanie Laie 1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:14.400 also traveling with the former president, and of course Jennifer Jacobs, 1:03:14.440 --> 1:03:18.760 who no one knows that this former president better than 1:03:18.800 --> 1:03:21.440 she had contributed to our average as well. So incredibly 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:24.840 strong to say. Adriana making her way from Western Pennsylvania 1:03:24.880 --> 1:03:27.680 now to Milwaukee as we are on the Sunday morning in. 1:03:27.640 --> 1:03:30.560 Milwaukee, and I want to frame out who this guy is. 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:34.280 If you are from Arizona, he's a household name, a 1:03:34.440 --> 1:03:39.400 major advisor to the politics of the gentleman from Arizona. No, 1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:43.280 not Bury Goldwater, but Senator John McCain and also his 1:03:43.400 --> 1:03:46.640 public service to the sea of Ronald Reagan. Do you 1:03:46.800 --> 1:03:52.160 recall the assassination tempt at the Hilton Hotel of President Reagan? 1:03:52.200 --> 1:03:56.600 Can you give us a vignette and anecdote of that horrific. 1:03:56.160 --> 1:04:02.480 Afternoon as at the tom and we were assembled in 1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:05.760 a meeting actually right across from the White House in 1:04:05.840 --> 1:04:12.960 Lafayette Square, and somebody came in and said the President 1:04:13.000 --> 1:04:15.880 had been shot. Nobody knew what condition. 1:04:15.600 --> 1:04:16.120 He was in. 1:04:17.080 --> 1:04:20.880 We immediately, you know, turned on our television sets, and 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:24.200 this was an era where we didn't have instant news, 1:04:24.960 --> 1:04:29.919 so there were special reports and we immediately went over 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:32.760 to the old Executive Office building next to the west 1:04:32.760 --> 1:04:34.960 wind of the White House and met up with some 1:04:35.040 --> 1:04:39.400 of our colleagues. We knew all the advanced people and 1:04:39.520 --> 1:04:43.600 secret service and his detail and protecting him. Great friends 1:04:43.600 --> 1:04:46.760 of mine from the campaign were involved in the incident, 1:04:46.840 --> 1:04:50.880 and it was a moment of stillness, you know, where 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:53.840 people didn't know what was going to happen next it was. 1:04:53.920 --> 1:04:59.120 It was actually very reminiscent of yesterday afternoon when the 1:04:59.160 --> 1:05:03.240 president went down, Former President Trump went down. Secret Service 1:05:03.280 --> 1:05:05.040 were all over him, and it just reminded me of 1:05:05.040 --> 1:05:09.080 the scenes from Ronald Reagan where he was also tackled 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:12.440 by the Secret Service and a protective crouch and thrust 1:05:12.480 --> 1:05:15.960 into the car. And at the time everyone was assuming 1:05:16.000 --> 1:05:20.200 that he was okay, and little did we know President 1:05:20.200 --> 1:05:24.840 Reagan had suffered a gunshot wound life threatening, and in 1:05:24.880 --> 1:05:31.080 this case it was less harmful, but nonetheless dangerous. All 1:05:31.080 --> 1:05:34.400 I could think about was, you know, that bullet came 1:05:34.440 --> 1:05:39.720 so close to creating a national disaster. And so we 1:05:40.240 --> 1:05:42.600 have a moment here we can step back and say, look, 1:05:42.640 --> 1:05:44.920 is this really the politics we want? Is this the 1:05:45.000 --> 1:05:47.360 kind of environment we want to operate in. I've done 1:05:47.360 --> 1:05:50.920 a lot of presidential campaigns over the years, and this 1:05:50.960 --> 1:05:54.200 one had descended into a very dark place. And I'm 1:05:54.200 --> 1:05:57.880 hopeful that maybe this is a moment where both the professionals, 1:05:57.920 --> 1:06:00.600 the candidates, and the public could take a step back. 1:06:01.120 --> 1:06:03.240 Rick Davis, you bring up that resonance. I think a 1:06:03.240 --> 1:06:05.360 lot of us had the same thought yesterday, just about 1:06:05.360 --> 1:06:08.160 how we're talking about a matter of inches, if not 1:06:08.280 --> 1:06:10.600 centimeters here, and things could have been a world worse. 1:06:11.400 --> 1:06:14.120 But I think about what we learned about the aftermath 1:06:14.120 --> 1:06:16.960 of that attempt on Ronald Reagan's life and the moments 1:06:16.960 --> 1:06:19.200 of humor that took place in the emergency room when 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:21.880 he kind of paraphrased Jack Dempsey and told his wife 1:06:21.920 --> 1:06:25.480 told Nancy Reagan, Honey, I forgot to duck. And we 1:06:25.640 --> 1:06:29.120 learned about how he processed what had happened, the attempt 1:06:29.120 --> 1:06:32.760 on his life, and then worked to move the nation forward. 1:06:33.000 --> 1:06:35.320 What can we learn from what happened back in nineteen 1:06:35.360 --> 1:06:38.720 eighty one? What can we Tom and I and our listeners, 1:06:38.800 --> 1:06:41.280 but the country as well. And again, I'm looking for 1:06:41.320 --> 1:06:44.120 your prescription here of sort of how we process what's 1:06:44.120 --> 1:06:47.440 happened and how we turned that into something good and 1:06:47.480 --> 1:06:49.600 get the kind of change that you're talking about, the 1:06:49.680 --> 1:06:51.800 kind of cooler rhetoric that might prevail here. 1:06:53.120 --> 1:06:56.480 Yeah, I think we look to our leaders to give 1:06:56.560 --> 1:06:59.640 us that kind of guy. And I think that's why 1:06:59.640 --> 1:07:01.919 we're in the place we're at, because it's been very 1:07:01.920 --> 1:07:05.240 easy for our national leadership whether it's the party out 1:07:05.240 --> 1:07:09.880 of power party in power to demagogue and and and 1:07:10.160 --> 1:07:14.520 create fear and govern that way. And I think Ron 1:07:14.600 --> 1:07:18.160 Reagan showed us the way. As you point out, he 1:07:18.240 --> 1:07:24.840 used humor to to kind of calm the situation. And 1:07:24.920 --> 1:07:30.160 I thought I was looking very intently at President Biden's 1:07:30.160 --> 1:07:32.800 comments last night. People tune in, they want to know 1:07:33.480 --> 1:07:38.280 that there's not something bigger happening around all this, Right, 1:07:38.320 --> 1:07:41.640 you wonder is this just one event of the series. 1:07:42.440 --> 1:07:44.600 And I thought he did a good job. This is 1:07:44.640 --> 1:07:46.160 what Joe Biden does well. 1:07:46.480 --> 1:07:46.600 Right. 1:07:46.640 --> 1:07:49.640 We've been very critical of President Biden for a lot 1:07:49.680 --> 1:07:52.600 of the things he's not been doing well lately, but 1:07:52.960 --> 1:07:56.960 in this case, he was empathetic, you know, even just 1:07:57.040 --> 1:08:01.400 the slight twist where he referred to Donald Trump as Donald. 1:08:02.240 --> 1:08:05.240 It was a nuance that I'm not sure he actually 1:08:05.280 --> 1:08:07.840 intended to do, but I think at that point, when 1:08:07.880 --> 1:08:10.760 he was standing talking to the American public trying to 1:08:10.760 --> 1:08:14.440 calm their fears, you know, he used a very colloquial 1:08:15.240 --> 1:08:18.400 address for the former president, I thought that was from 1:08:18.400 --> 1:08:22.240 the heart. So I think it'll be interesting to see 1:08:23.240 --> 1:08:25.680 the Biden campaign withdrew all their ads. Of course, they 1:08:25.680 --> 1:08:29.200 were all negative attack ads on Donald Trump, very appropriate 1:08:30.600 --> 1:08:33.560 for the times. And so the next step will be 1:08:33.600 --> 1:08:38.960 Donald Trump's He'll arrive here tomorrow and in Milwaukee to 1:08:39.120 --> 1:08:43.920 address his supporters what would normally be red meat week. 1:08:44.920 --> 1:08:48.479 You know, normally we'd hear every attack on the president 1:08:49.320 --> 1:08:53.479 to try and you get excited that the shock troops 1:08:53.520 --> 1:08:56.720 of the Republican Party, and it'll be interesting to see 1:08:56.720 --> 1:09:00.680 how that gets modulated if it does. This is a 1:09:00.720 --> 1:09:06.360 moment to address that kind of rhetoric. And I think 1:09:06.400 --> 1:09:09.000 the Democrats and the Biden campaign have done the first 1:09:09.040 --> 1:09:13.679 step in withdrawing these attack ads and going on national 1:09:13.720 --> 1:09:18.240 television and asking for unity, and I would I wouldn't 1:09:18.240 --> 1:09:21.360 be surprised that the President Trump does the same thing 1:09:21.680 --> 1:09:25.559 and uses this moment to address the nation in a 1:09:25.600 --> 1:09:29.759 different way. I know for sure that the Program Committee 1:09:29.760 --> 1:09:32.400 of the Convention is rewriting a lot of speeches today, 1:09:33.600 --> 1:09:36.280 and so there are a lot of really smart guys 1:09:36.320 --> 1:09:39.559 sitting in a dusk trying to crank out a completely 1:09:39.640 --> 1:09:42.520 different program. That's what they had going into this convention. 1:09:42.280 --> 1:09:43.839 Yesterday, a whole different agenda. 1:09:44.720 --> 1:09:46.120 I want to ask you about what I mentioned when 1:09:46.160 --> 1:09:47.760 we went to break just a few minutes ago, and 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:49.760 that is, as you're saying, just a moment ago, you 1:09:49.800 --> 1:09:52.719 have you have present bind pulling those ads, scaling back 1:09:53.080 --> 1:09:55.680 the outreach that they're making to voters. There is this 1:09:56.040 --> 1:09:58.400 Marque interview that's going to take place tomorrow in Texas 1:09:58.400 --> 1:10:01.560 with NBC News. But speak, if you would, to the 1:10:01.840 --> 1:10:04.960 pickle that the White House finds itself in now going 1:10:05.040 --> 1:10:07.360 quite in the way that you think rightly they should 1:10:07.360 --> 1:10:10.320 be doing, the focus shifting here to Milwaukee and the 1:10:10.320 --> 1:10:15.240 Republican National Convention, but all the while still this specter 1:10:15.360 --> 1:10:17.280 of needing to do more, of needing to be out there, 1:10:17.360 --> 1:10:19.640 needing to show that this president has the competency and 1:10:19.680 --> 1:10:21.759 capacity to serve a second term in the White House. 1:10:22.200 --> 1:10:25.519 There have been so many advisors like yourself, suggesting that 1:10:25.560 --> 1:10:29.040 what Joe Biden needs to do is more be out there, 1:10:29.040 --> 1:10:33.160 more talking, more reaching out to voters. More safe to say, 1:10:33.160 --> 1:10:34.960 this complicates things so greatly. 1:10:36.600 --> 1:10:39.439 Yeah, this is going to change everything for both sides. 1:10:39.520 --> 1:10:45.439 And I think it may anure to the benefit of 1:10:45.479 --> 1:10:50.000 the Democratic campaign because right now they're in a tail spin. 1:10:50.520 --> 1:10:53.800 The turmoil that has existed in the Biden campaign since 1:10:53.840 --> 1:10:59.519 the debate performance that was subpar at best, has really 1:10:59.720 --> 1:11:03.960 question whether or not they can even consider continue his candidacy. 1:11:04.640 --> 1:11:09.439 This will freeze everything. The combination of this incident, an 1:11:09.479 --> 1:11:14.240 assassination attempt on a former president, and the Republican Convention 1:11:14.400 --> 1:11:17.439 here will really change the spotlight. It's all been on 1:11:17.560 --> 1:11:21.080 Joe Biden. And you know, we've watched his every public 1:11:21.120 --> 1:11:25.479 appearance with holding our breath for fear that we see 1:11:25.520 --> 1:11:29.639 that same kind of performance. And he's and he's done better, right, 1:11:29.800 --> 1:11:33.799 and he's stabilized a bit, But this gives him a breather. This, 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:37.479 this will change the focus from him to Donald Trump, 1:11:38.280 --> 1:11:42.240 and our eyes will not be focused on Biden and 1:11:42.280 --> 1:11:45.479 his campaign for some time. It'll take at least a 1:11:45.520 --> 1:11:49.799 week for this convention to go through its pieces. The President, 1:11:49.880 --> 1:11:54.000 to take an advantage of the situation, finds himself in 1:11:54.040 --> 1:11:57.639 the entire world, will be riveted to his speech here 1:11:57.680 --> 1:12:02.160 on Thursday night, accepting the nominate and putting the campaign 1:12:02.200 --> 1:12:05.719 on a course a new dialogue with the American public, 1:12:05.760 --> 1:12:09.679 and it'll be probably the most important speech Donald Trump 1:12:09.880 --> 1:12:11.679 is in his entire life. 1:12:12.040 --> 1:12:15.360 Rick Davis, I have to ask this, it's a little 1:12:15.400 --> 1:12:18.719 bit off, but unfortunately I don't think it's off full disclosure, folks. 1:12:18.720 --> 1:12:21.519 My father was a life member of the NRA. He 1:12:21.680 --> 1:12:26.400 was someone who adored hunting and being out in the fields, 1:12:26.400 --> 1:12:30.639 and that Rick Davis, you grew up with twenty Mule Team, 1:12:30.760 --> 1:12:33.439 Ronald Reagan, and he loved to get on the horse 1:12:33.560 --> 1:12:37.240 and go through the thunder of California showing the West. 1:12:38.120 --> 1:12:42.760 You are intimately affected by an edge of purple strait Arizona, 1:12:43.520 --> 1:12:47.200 where there is a culture of the West. We saw 1:12:47.280 --> 1:12:52.080 yesterday the continuing culture of weapons, of guns, of ak 1:12:52.280 --> 1:12:57.880 whatever's in America. Can this be a seismic moment where 1:12:57.880 --> 1:13:02.760 we finally figure out this affair with weaponry in America? 1:13:04.720 --> 1:13:07.640 You know, Tom, it's a really good question, and we 1:13:07.720 --> 1:13:10.760 ask this question every time there's a school shooting, but this. 1:13:10.720 --> 1:13:16.040 Is different, as the school shootings are appalling, But you know, 1:13:17.320 --> 1:13:22.200 this changes the dialogue, I would respectfully suggest, I would hope. 1:13:22.240 --> 1:13:29.599 So I've expected some kind of event that would finally 1:13:29.680 --> 1:13:32.559 force an open and honest discussion about the use of 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:38.799 military grade weapons in society. And this is a riveting 1:13:38.840 --> 1:13:44.040 moment to have that conversation. Unfortunately, coming at the tail 1:13:44.160 --> 1:13:47.200 end of a Congress, at the end of an administration, 1:13:47.920 --> 1:13:50.840 and in the heat of a campaign, it's going to 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:56.839 blunt that conversation. I can't imagine anything productive happening in Washington, 1:13:56.920 --> 1:13:59.560 d C. Right now, considering the state of our politics. 1:14:00.080 --> 1:14:03.479 Maybe this is the moment where everyone takes a step back, 1:14:03.720 --> 1:14:07.800 and I think that's going to be completely in the 1:14:07.880 --> 1:14:13.120 category of something Donald Trump is responsible for. He has 1:14:13.240 --> 1:14:16.880 this chance. Democrats can't do. Democrats can't go to the 1:14:16.880 --> 1:14:19.880 well and say another example of why we need to 1:14:19.880 --> 1:14:24.439 ban assault weapons. Only Donald Trump could actually shake the 1:14:24.520 --> 1:14:28.839 foundation of that Second Amendment crowd within our party to say, Okay, 1:14:28.960 --> 1:14:32.360 we've had enough and we have to do something about this. 1:14:32.520 --> 1:14:36.080 And certainly he'd find common cause with most of Congress 1:14:36.160 --> 1:14:39.320 right now, who have been on the precipice of doing 1:14:39.360 --> 1:14:42.680 something about this but just hasn't had the catalyst like 1:14:42.720 --> 1:14:46.360 this to take real action. But the wins against it 1:14:46.400 --> 1:14:50.559 are strong. The timing is bad. From a legislative point 1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:52.960 of view, getting anything out of Congress, as we've seen 1:14:53.040 --> 1:14:58.880 in the last six months, is virtually impossible, but it 1:14:58.920 --> 1:15:01.800 doesn't mean that it can't can't still happen, And I 1:15:01.840 --> 1:15:04.479 think that's part of the message that Donald Trump as 1:15:04.520 --> 1:15:08.880 the opportunity to give to the convention, because it's only 1:15:08.960 --> 1:15:13.240 when you change your own party that things happen. You 1:15:13.280 --> 1:15:18.280 can you never make progress by attacking the opposition. That's 1:15:18.600 --> 1:15:21.680 sort of standard operating procedure. And what I used to 1:15:21.720 --> 1:15:25.320 love about John McCain is he believed in poks on 1:15:25.400 --> 1:15:28.439 both the houses. He would have he would go after 1:15:28.520 --> 1:15:31.839 Republicans as much as he would go after Democrats, and 1:15:31.840 --> 1:15:37.160 and and that made it effective because his intentions were 1:15:37.600 --> 1:15:38.679 honest in that regard. 1:15:38.960 --> 1:15:41.320 Rick, very quickly here you bring up your former boss, 1:15:41.720 --> 1:15:43.760 the late Senator John McCain, And I think there were 1:15:43.800 --> 1:15:47.120 a few people who warned about our deteriorating politics more 1:15:47.160 --> 1:15:50.439 and more forcefully than he did. When you look at 1:15:50.439 --> 1:15:53.280 what's happened since he was issuing those clarion calls about 1:15:53.280 --> 1:15:55.960 where things were headed, how dark things were likely to become. 1:15:56.760 --> 1:15:59.040 Do you see a missed opportunity? Was this kind of 1:15:59.040 --> 1:16:02.960 an inevitable rolled downhill to where we are today? Or 1:16:03.080 --> 1:16:04.640 was there something more that you think could have been 1:16:04.640 --> 1:16:07.679 done in a particular moment, that politicians of both stripes 1:16:07.720 --> 1:16:09.360 could have done more. 1:16:10.720 --> 1:16:15.280 Oh? Sure, in retrospect, you can always find moments that 1:16:15.479 --> 1:16:20.240 could have it could have been different, right, even at 1:16:20.240 --> 1:16:24.640 the start of the Biden presidency, he actually could have 1:16:24.880 --> 1:16:26.799 I've heard this many times. I thought it was brilliant. 1:16:27.080 --> 1:16:29.439 I think my friend Met Romney had said something about, 1:16:29.840 --> 1:16:32.240 you know, Biden should have just pardoned Trump, right. Could 1:16:32.240 --> 1:16:37.040 you imagine the tumult we would have missed if there 1:16:37.040 --> 1:16:42.680 had not been this aggressive effort to prosecuting regardless of 1:16:42.680 --> 1:16:45.280 whether you know, you think he's you're innocent, and of 1:16:45.280 --> 1:16:48.040 course he's been proven guilty by a jury of his peers. 1:16:48.439 --> 1:16:51.599 But that put the country through a very, very difficult time. 1:16:51.720 --> 1:16:55.120 I just remember here we are in Wisconsin, the presidence 1:16:55.120 --> 1:16:57.280 of mine of my friend John McCain, at a town 1:16:57.320 --> 1:17:00.000 hall in the heat of the campaign, and a woman 1:17:00.120 --> 1:17:02.880 looks at him and in a big crowd, and she says, 1:17:02.920 --> 1:17:07.360 while he's on camera, you know that Barack Obama is 1:17:07.400 --> 1:17:09.960 a Muslim and he's out to hurt American And John 1:17:10.040 --> 1:17:14.240 McCain stood up in a group of supporters and said, no, man, no, 1:17:14.800 --> 1:17:17.360 he's a good man, he's a good family man, and 1:17:17.400 --> 1:17:19.519 we just have a disagreement on how to run the country. 1:17:19.520 --> 1:17:22.600 I mean, the presence of mind to do that in 1:17:22.680 --> 1:17:27.000 the heat of the moment is what distinguishes good politicians 1:17:27.160 --> 1:17:30.559 from great politicians, and I think this is a moment 1:17:30.640 --> 1:17:34.080 in time. This is the Trump opportunity to do the 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:37.360 same thing standing in a group of his supporters on 1:17:37.439 --> 1:17:41.400 Thursday night. He can change the political dynamic right now. 1:17:41.600 --> 1:17:44.759 Rick Davis, thank you for decades of perspective, Rick Davis. 1:17:44.800 --> 1:17:48.800 Of course, with Joe Matthew and Kayley Lines in Milwaukee, 1:17:48.880 --> 1:17:51.160 speaking of what you get a short moment here with 1:17:51.320 --> 1:17:54.160 Joe Matthew and then we'll come back for extended comments 1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:58.320 with Joe Matthew. He is leading our coverage in Milwaukee. 1:17:58.600 --> 1:18:01.479 Joe Matthew, how did your cover VERD change last night 1:18:01.720 --> 1:18:02.400 six thirty? 1:18:03.080 --> 1:18:05.679 Well, it's a great question here because it's still changing. 1:18:05.800 --> 1:18:08.880 I think that this twenty four hour period between the 1:18:08.920 --> 1:18:11.840 time those shots rang out and when we are on 1:18:11.920 --> 1:18:14.200 the air, and then another twenty four hours before the 1:18:14.200 --> 1:18:15.800 start of this convention, You're going to see a lot 1:18:15.840 --> 1:18:18.760 more changes, which is why I'm really urging people to 1:18:18.800 --> 1:18:21.040 not try to be in the business of predicting things. 1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:23.479 This is a pretty dark feeling, I'll be honest with 1:18:23.560 --> 1:18:25.960 you this morning in Milwaukee, and a lot of folks 1:18:26.000 --> 1:18:29.479 were bewildered last evening We were on the plane when 1:18:29.520 --> 1:18:32.160 this news broke with a lot of politicos and a 1:18:32.200 --> 1:18:35.320 lot of media types, and it's just one of those 1:18:35.320 --> 1:18:38.840 moments where you have to try to project as little 1:18:38.880 --> 1:18:41.320 as possible and take the news in. And that's what 1:18:41.320 --> 1:18:43.760 we're going to do today on Blueberg. 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:45.160 Joe, we see that the former president deeed is going 1:18:45.160 --> 1:18:47.640 to Milwaukee, planning to give that speech on Thursday, but 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:49.679 also saying that he's going to be a large presence 1:18:49.720 --> 1:18:51.960 throughout the proceedings over the course of the week. 1:18:52.800 --> 1:18:53.559 Is that a change. 1:18:53.560 --> 1:18:56.120 Did we expect to see him there as early? And 1:18:56.160 --> 1:18:58.960 what will you be watching for as these get underway? 1:18:58.960 --> 1:19:01.240 Tom making the very student observation a little while ago. 1:19:01.360 --> 1:19:04.000 Conventions have a lot of speakers. Some are more important 1:19:04.000 --> 1:19:07.360 than others, some more marquee than others, have more important 1:19:07.360 --> 1:19:08.840 things to say. Of course, we're waiting for the vice 1:19:08.840 --> 1:19:11.640 presidential pick as well. Do you get a sense this 1:19:11.680 --> 1:19:13.880 will be much more closely watched now as a result of. 1:19:13.840 --> 1:19:16.720 This, Oh, it surely will be. This could be the 1:19:16.760 --> 1:19:20.680 most watched political convention in history when you consider the 1:19:20.680 --> 1:19:23.280 moment we were already in with Joe Biden. Now, this 1:19:24.120 --> 1:19:27.479 is an incredible moment, regardless of your politics. But you 1:19:27.520 --> 1:19:30.800 ask a great question. In twenty sixteen, Donald Trump kind 1:19:30.800 --> 1:19:33.920 of up ended the tradition of holding the nominee until 1:19:33.960 --> 1:19:36.240 the last night. You know, it's like you don't see 1:19:36.240 --> 1:19:39.000 the bride before the wedding. Here and Donald Trump came 1:19:39.040 --> 1:19:40.760 out on the first night. He would pop his head 1:19:40.800 --> 1:19:42.479 outside on the stage, just a wave to get a 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:44.599 round of applause. He didn't want to let a knight 1:19:44.680 --> 1:19:47.280 go by without soaking it up. And I suspect that 1:19:47.280 --> 1:19:50.599 that will be the go forward here. My bigger question 1:19:50.720 --> 1:19:53.080 is when do we first see him in public? What 1:19:53.200 --> 1:19:55.800 will be the staging? How will he look when he's 1:19:55.880 --> 1:19:57.759 in front of cameras the first time? Probably today? 1:19:57.960 --> 1:20:02.840 So Matthew Howley, particularly the Republican Party away from the 1:20:02.840 --> 1:20:06.920 core constituency of President Trump, how do they move on 1:20:07.320 --> 1:20:08.080 in Milwaukee? 1:20:09.640 --> 1:20:12.280 Well, my gosh, we haven't even started yet. So the 1:20:12.400 --> 1:20:15.280 idea of moving on from this is going to take 1:20:15.280 --> 1:20:18.920 a minute. Here, I just see a choice. This could 1:20:18.920 --> 1:20:20.800 go a couple of different ways. At some point, we'll 1:20:20.800 --> 1:20:22.880 see Donald Trump in front of a camera today. His 1:20:22.960 --> 1:20:24.880 demeanor is going to mean a lot. He's going to 1:20:24.920 --> 1:20:27.840 be cleaned up. He will probably be bandaged. Well, if 1:20:27.880 --> 1:20:31.240 here with members of the Secret Service, is that politically 1:20:31.280 --> 1:20:33.080 sound at this moment. Those are some of the questions 1:20:33.080 --> 1:20:35.880 around the optics that I have here. But look, there 1:20:35.920 --> 1:20:39.840 was a real tone of retribution around this program. Martyrdom. 1:20:40.400 --> 1:20:43.000 Dana White from the UFC is going to be speaking. 1:20:43.000 --> 1:20:46.479 It looks like on Thursday night, when the former President 1:20:46.520 --> 1:20:50.040 of the United States receives this nomination, if they lean 1:20:50.080 --> 1:20:53.680 into that, it's going to be an important moment. If 1:20:53.760 --> 1:20:56.519 Donald Trump decides to embrace moderation here, it too will 1:20:56.560 --> 1:20:58.800 be important. And I'm not sure that they have even 1:20:58.880 --> 1:21:01.799 arrived in that place yet. We're just waking up today 1:21:02.280 --> 1:21:04.240 with a lot of people having a sense of where 1:21:04.240 --> 1:21:06.400 they want to go, having slept on it, and there's 1:21:06.479 --> 1:21:09.240 just great uncertainty around this whole program. Rick Davis talked 1:21:09.240 --> 1:21:12.200 about it. You remember his convention in two thousand and eight. 1:21:12.960 --> 1:21:14.880 I was in the Twin Cities for that. There was 1:21:14.920 --> 1:21:16.760 a hurricane on the Gulf Coast on the first day 1:21:16.760 --> 1:21:19.280 of that convention. They had to change their plans on 1:21:19.320 --> 1:21:21.439 the spot to avoid a split screen that could have 1:21:21.479 --> 1:21:24.599 been very damaging to the nominee. In this case, they're 1:21:24.640 --> 1:21:26.439 going to have to make decisions like that as well 1:21:26.479 --> 1:21:27.040 in real time. 1:21:27.800 --> 1:21:30.280 I remember that well, and remember how it contrasted what 1:21:30.320 --> 1:21:32.400 the Democrats had in Denver that year, which was a 1:21:32.479 --> 1:21:34.400 convention the likes of which we hadn't seen before, both 1:21:34.400 --> 1:21:37.040 in terms of scale and scope, filling up mile high 1:21:37.080 --> 1:21:41.320 stadium with folks for Barack Obama's address. Then I imagine, Joe, 1:21:41.360 --> 1:21:42.760 you're doing what I'm doing, which is, you know, we 1:21:42.800 --> 1:21:45.240 have this kind of skeleton agenda that we've gotten from 1:21:45.320 --> 1:21:48.639 the Republican National Committee and the convention, detailing which delegation 1:21:48.720 --> 1:21:50.400 is going to be ware for what, and movies and 1:21:50.439 --> 1:21:52.240 all kinds of things like that. And then you know, 1:21:52.320 --> 1:21:55.000 before this happened yesterday, we got this kind of comprehensive 1:21:55.040 --> 1:21:57.800 list of who the headliners are going to be at 1:21:57.840 --> 1:21:59.840 the convention, and you mentioned Dana White as one of them, 1:21:59.840 --> 1:22:01.320 but you know, you look at who else is on here, 1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:04.719 certainly all of the front runners for that vice presidential position, 1:22:05.600 --> 1:22:08.160 various campaign advisors. Lee Greenwood is on there as well. 1:22:08.479 --> 1:22:11.680 What can you divine from looking at that list? You 1:22:11.720 --> 1:22:14.600 talked about grievance and retribution? What does it tell you 1:22:14.680 --> 1:22:16.559 just that list of what I guess thirty or forty 1:22:16.640 --> 1:22:18.719 names that we got from the Trump campaign over the weekend. 1:22:19.200 --> 1:22:21.960 Yeah, it's interesting. It was the number of senators that 1:22:22.720 --> 1:22:25.600 kind of blew me away, considering the idea that this 1:22:25.760 --> 1:22:28.519 was such a controversial figure coming out of January six. 1:22:28.560 --> 1:22:30.479 Almost a dozen of them, I think if I count. 1:22:30.320 --> 1:22:33.040 Right, that is right. Of course a couple of them 1:22:33.080 --> 1:22:36.360 would like to be vice president. No big shockers there. 1:22:36.360 --> 1:22:38.320 I mean, look to see Dana White on stage is 1:22:38.360 --> 1:22:41.240 going to be bizarre, amber Rose, this is part of 1:22:41.240 --> 1:22:43.160 the job at a convention like this, But how will 1:22:43.200 --> 1:22:46.639 that list change? There's one name that was taken off 1:22:46.640 --> 1:22:49.639 the list of speakers, and that's Milannia Trump. Now, after 1:22:49.680 --> 1:22:52.720 what we just experienced here in this country, are you 1:22:52.760 --> 1:22:54.880 telling me that the former first Lady will not appear 1:22:54.920 --> 1:22:57.240 on stage with Donald Trump or will not say words 1:22:57.280 --> 1:22:58.840 of the podium. I think those are the kind of 1:22:59.400 --> 1:23:01.880 details are coming back around on now when it comes 1:23:01.960 --> 1:23:03.080 to best speaker's. 1:23:02.640 --> 1:23:06.439 List, remarkable, Tom and the list is divided between entertainer's celebrities, 1:23:06.479 --> 1:23:09.200 industry leaders, members of Congress, then family. So it's Joe 1:23:09.240 --> 1:23:11.639 rightly mentioned that we've got Donald Trump, Junior, Eric Trump, 1:23:11.920 --> 1:23:13.439 Laura Trump, who's the co chair of the. 1:23:13.439 --> 1:23:15.400 RNC, and Kim Bill to both of you, and David, 1:23:15.479 --> 1:23:17.040 let me go to you here, and it's just Joe 1:23:17.040 --> 1:23:22.000 and Jenny, She and Xanna waiting for us. David, that's 1:23:22.120 --> 1:23:26.479 always the case. This horrific event is happening. But I 1:23:26.520 --> 1:23:31.640 don't think anybody's consulted out President Trump needs to decide 1:23:31.960 --> 1:23:35.519 how President Trump will change Milwaukee period. 1:23:36.200 --> 1:23:37.439 I think that that's the case. 1:23:37.600 --> 1:23:39.880 And you know, we talked a little bit about the 1:23:40.080 --> 1:23:42.040 piece that Tim Alberta wrote for The Atlantic at the 1:23:42.040 --> 1:23:44.680 top of the show, really looking at this campaign, the 1:23:44.760 --> 1:23:47.240 kind of campaign that Donald Trump is running this time around, 1:23:47.240 --> 1:23:50.680 Susy Wild's heading it up. And you know, I know 1:23:50.760 --> 1:23:52.320 we're going to come back to Joe here in just 1:23:52.360 --> 1:23:53.880 a little bit, but I'm eager to hear sort of 1:23:53.920 --> 1:23:55.800 the gree to which the former president is shaping this, 1:23:55.840 --> 1:23:57.280 the degree to which he's going to defer to the 1:23:57.360 --> 1:23:59.920 leadership of that campaign, if they're going to maintain the 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:02.200 kind of discipline that they've had here leading up to this, 1:24:02.240 --> 1:24:03.640 which if you look at the polls, look at how 1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:06.160 things are going has worked clearly worked so effectively for them. 1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:08.320 Joe, We're gonna let you go and come back, but 1:24:08.439 --> 1:24:11.720 quickly here they're gonna move the perimeters in Milwaukee. Are 1:24:11.760 --> 1:24:14.160 you and your team coverage going to be pushed out 1:24:14.200 --> 1:24:15.120 to Whitefish Bay? 1:24:16.240 --> 1:24:18.720 Look, it's a great we could be enveloped by the perimeters. 1:24:18.800 --> 1:24:20.599 That that's the one thing that we're waiting to find 1:24:20.600 --> 1:24:22.080 out because we were kind of on the edge of 1:24:22.080 --> 1:24:25.240 it right now. Bloomberg has a bit of a house 1:24:25.320 --> 1:24:27.760 set up here. So whether we're engulf or not, I 1:24:27.800 --> 1:24:29.760 will say it's probably a good time to not be 1:24:29.800 --> 1:24:31.320 in the perimeter because it's going to be harder to 1:24:31.320 --> 1:24:32.760 get in there than it is today. 1:24:32.800 --> 1:24:34.679 It's like real world bounce of power. 1:24:35.280 --> 1:24:35.439 Yeah. 1:24:35.520 --> 1:24:37.080 Look, I've got a house that. 1:24:38.840 --> 1:24:41.679 Kaylee Lines and Joe Matthew leading our coverage, and again 1:24:41.760 --> 1:24:45.040 Joel joined us here this morning in their special coverage 1:24:45.080 --> 1:24:49.320 tonight at five pm worldwide on Bloomberg Radio and Bloomberg 1:24:49.360 --> 1:24:53.920 Television as well. She has been patient. She is of 1:24:54.040 --> 1:24:59.840 Ionia University. Jenny, She and Zana joins us right now. Jennie, 1:24:59.880 --> 1:25:02.439 just to begin the coverage here, your thoughts on this 1:25:02.520 --> 1:25:05.320 horrific event of yesterday. 1:25:05.960 --> 1:25:09.959 Well, you know, we are all so lucky that the president, 1:25:10.080 --> 1:25:13.120 the former president, is a close, Caul, that is that. 1:25:13.120 --> 1:25:15.120 Was my I don't mean to interrupt you, but that 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:17.800 was my first thought this morning when I woke up 1:25:17.840 --> 1:25:21.400 after no sleep tonight. Continue yeah, and me as. 1:25:21.320 --> 1:25:23.960 Well, Tom, And you know how close he came. I mean, 1:25:24.360 --> 1:25:26.639 we are all so grateful for that. And I think 1:25:26.840 --> 1:25:29.519 the questions you were just all talking about with Joe 1:25:29.560 --> 1:25:32.439 are the ones that I have. How does this impact 1:25:32.600 --> 1:25:36.559 the convention? Certainly the program we accept now they will 1:25:36.600 --> 1:25:39.799 have a moment of silence for the victims of this shooting. 1:25:40.200 --> 1:25:45.240 These iconic photos which portray the former president as in 1:25:45.600 --> 1:25:48.439 a show of strength, I mean, the idea that he 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:51.840 could stand up after being shot, put his fist in 1:25:51.920 --> 1:25:55.880 the air and say fight, fight, fight. It is. These 1:25:55.880 --> 1:26:00.080 are iconic images, and certainly the delegates here that they 1:26:00.280 --> 1:26:04.559 of the party. They are both grateful and angry, and 1:26:04.600 --> 1:26:07.240 we heard some of that anger yesterday and I think 1:26:07.280 --> 1:26:10.400 we'll hear more of that. People like jd Vancerew very 1:26:10.400 --> 1:26:13.840 well could be the vice presidential nominee. He just a 1:26:13.880 --> 1:26:18.559 few hours after this horrific incident blamed it on Joe 1:26:18.560 --> 1:26:22.160 Biden's rhetoric. And that is not something that is isolated. 1:26:22.160 --> 1:26:25.479 That is something you hear from the Republican base that 1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:29.160 they are angry, and so how that anger is you know, 1:26:29.400 --> 1:26:32.920 transferred into the convention hall. These are all things that 1:26:32.960 --> 1:26:34.439 we're going to be watching for here. 1:26:35.120 --> 1:26:37.320 I saw that tweet as well from the junior Senator 1:26:37.320 --> 1:26:40.280 of Ohio that rhetoric led directly to the assassination attempt 1:26:40.280 --> 1:26:42.240 of Donald Trump. And we'll see here in the coming 1:26:42.240 --> 1:26:45.240 hours how widely that's embraced by other members of the 1:26:45.280 --> 1:26:48.479 Republican Party. Certainly, you know, I'm curious. I know that 1:26:48.520 --> 1:26:51.879 you have a background in public opinion polling and research, 1:26:51.960 --> 1:26:55.080 and Tom has rightly said, we don't want to dwell 1:26:55.080 --> 1:26:57.960 too much here on the politics, and you know what 1:26:58.000 --> 1:27:00.840 this means for the campaign itself at this moment in time. 1:27:00.920 --> 1:27:04.400 But when you look at sort of where things were 1:27:04.439 --> 1:27:06.880 and how this is likely to change the terrain, the 1:27:06.880 --> 1:27:10.800 political terrain here going into Milwaukee, what are your expectations 1:27:10.840 --> 1:27:14.280 as we come from two weeks back, that disastrous debate Atlanta, 1:27:14.640 --> 1:27:17.559 the effort on the White House's part to change course 1:27:18.439 --> 1:27:20.920 get President Biden out there more. We now have this 1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:24.799 seismic event in this campaign, seismic event in American political history. 1:27:25.120 --> 1:27:27.040 How do you see it reshaping the landscape. 1:27:28.360 --> 1:27:30.839 You know, I'm not sure it's going to change public 1:27:30.880 --> 1:27:33.920 opinions polling much. The anger that we are just talking 1:27:33.920 --> 1:27:38.439 about reflected by jd Vance, that is reflected in the base, 1:27:38.520 --> 1:27:41.439 and these are people who have supported and will continue 1:27:41.479 --> 1:27:44.639 to support the former president. They need to reach out 1:27:44.680 --> 1:27:48.600 to those a sort of Nikky Hayley voters, moderate independence, 1:27:49.200 --> 1:27:52.400 And the question is does this change anything for that 1:27:52.479 --> 1:27:55.719 small segment of the population. We haven't seen much movement 1:27:55.760 --> 1:27:58.479 there yet. I'm not sure we're going to see that. 1:27:59.040 --> 1:28:01.080 But if you look at history. 1:28:01.160 --> 1:28:04.160 And you look at say, the shooting of President Reagan, 1:28:04.400 --> 1:28:09.400 just you know, months into his presidency, you did see 1:28:09.640 --> 1:28:13.439 a change in the public opinion support for the former president. 1:28:13.479 --> 1:28:17.320 Obviously very different time and circumstances, but he was a 1:28:17.320 --> 1:28:22.040 polarizing figure and his public opinion support increased after his shooting. 1:28:22.160 --> 1:28:24.160 So that is a possibility as well. 1:28:24.479 --> 1:28:26.439 Jenny, thank you so much. We're out of time. It's 1:28:26.479 --> 1:28:28.280 way too short of visit with you. I've got about 1:28:28.280 --> 1:28:31.280 eight more questions, including the purpleness of some of these 1:28:31.320 --> 1:28:35.040 swing states, but we'll get much more from Jenny. She 1:28:35.160 --> 1:28:40.240 and Zeno of Iona College, a University. I should say 1:28:40.560 --> 1:28:43.560 in New Rochelle. She's a wonderful advisor to Bloomberg with 1:28:43.680 --> 1:28:46.680 perspective and through Milwaukee. In Chicago, David, what do you have? 1:28:46.720 --> 1:28:48.799 We were talking with Joe just about security in Milwaukee, 1:28:48.880 --> 1:28:51.479 and Michael Wadley, who's the chairperson of the Republican National Committee, 1:28:51.520 --> 1:28:54.160 was on Fox News Sunday this morning asked about security 1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:57.280 at that convention. Didn't get into specifics, according to our 1:28:57.320 --> 1:28:59.559 colleagues who were following all the commentary on these shows 1:28:59.600 --> 1:29:01.960 this morning, but did say the GOP is working with 1:29:02.080 --> 1:29:05.280 forty different law enforcement agencies. He said, quote, this is 1:29:05.320 --> 1:29:06.760 going to be a facility where we're going to be 1:29:06.800 --> 1:29:09.799 able to have fifty thousand delegates and alternates and guests 1:29:09.800 --> 1:29:11.280 and members of the media who are going to be 1:29:11.400 --> 1:29:13.320 here and who are going to be safe. That is 1:29:13.439 --> 1:29:15.839 very critical for us. Again, the chairperson of the Republican 1:29:15.920 --> 1:29:16.599 National Committee. 1:29:16.760 --> 1:29:20.719 Bloomberg Radio and across all of our digital services, David 1:29:20.760 --> 1:29:25.000 Gura and Tom Keen a special edition of Bloomberg Surveillance. 1:29:25.040 --> 1:29:27.439 The team has worked through the night. I think there's 1:29:27.439 --> 1:29:30.080 a couple all nighters. It's just like in the old days, 1:29:30.720 --> 1:29:42.920 all nighters to get yourself the Finally, a special edition 1:29:43.160 --> 1:29:46.759 of Bloomberg Surveillance. Good morning everyone, Tom Keen with David 1:29:46.800 --> 1:29:49.920 Gura from our studios in New York. We're trying to 1:29:49.960 --> 1:29:56.200 do conversation forward after this horrific assassination attempt, and David, 1:29:56.240 --> 1:29:58.759 you mentioned it, the shock of it only really beginning 1:29:58.760 --> 1:30:01.520 to settle in for me. With all of the images 1:30:01.600 --> 1:30:05.600 and all of the modern news coverage, there's just that cadence. 1:30:06.280 --> 1:30:11.240 It is true shock that we process over a violence 1:30:11.680 --> 1:30:14.680 of this. You mentioned earlier the New York Times photograph 1:30:15.120 --> 1:30:19.080 of the image of a bullet passing by the former president. 1:30:19.320 --> 1:30:21.880 Doug Mills capturing that photograph, and there was this pool 1:30:21.920 --> 1:30:23.800 of four or five photographers there at the base of 1:30:23.840 --> 1:30:27.200 the stage in Butler, Pennsylvania. You saw those photographers scramble 1:30:27.280 --> 1:30:30.600 to capture some truly iconic, disturbing and iconic images of 1:30:30.600 --> 1:30:33.080 the former president as he fell to the ground and 1:30:33.240 --> 1:30:36.200 was surrounded by members of the Secret Service. We're looking 1:30:36.240 --> 1:30:38.040 ahead to Milwaukee, but before we get there, we have 1:30:38.080 --> 1:30:40.639 to stop in Washington, DC. That is where this hour 1:30:41.040 --> 1:30:43.240 present Biden's scheduled to be brief once again by law 1:30:43.320 --> 1:30:47.960 enforcement and Homeland security officials on what's happened in Pennsylvania, 1:30:48.280 --> 1:30:51.639 the status of that investigation, but also sort of what 1:30:51.680 --> 1:30:54.800 this means politically, what this means for the country culturally. 1:30:55.080 --> 1:30:57.000 These are paramount questions. So we moved to the start 1:30:57.000 --> 1:31:00.120 at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee tomorrow time. 1:31:00.280 --> 1:31:03.960 And David, before we get to Hedrona, she's in the 1:31:04.000 --> 1:31:07.439 airport in Pittsburgh and we'll capture her before she heads 1:31:07.439 --> 1:31:11.920 off to Milwaukee. The Sunday talk shows, of which Bloomberg 1:31:12.000 --> 1:31:15.360 Radio has been committed to well over a decade. We'll 1:31:15.439 --> 1:31:17.880 have four hours of the talk shows for you starting 1:31:17.920 --> 1:31:23.000 at eleven am here in fifty eight minutes about them. 1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:25.519 They are a settling point. I'm going to be blunt 1:31:25.600 --> 1:31:29.600 for the elites of America. You've lived it, you've done them. 1:31:30.120 --> 1:31:33.400 What is the impact of these Sunday talk shows among 1:31:34.040 --> 1:31:38.519 the Beltway crew this morning as they adjust to Milwaukee. 1:31:37.960 --> 1:31:41.600 And then Chicago, Well, having lived it, no night is 1:31:41.640 --> 1:31:43.519 longer than Saturday night going into one of these shows, 1:31:43.560 --> 1:31:45.720 particularly if news happens, and we haven't seen news like 1:31:45.760 --> 1:31:48.000 this obviously in some time. But I know that Margaret Brennan, 1:31:48.040 --> 1:31:50.080 the host to Face the Nation, has been candid about 1:31:50.080 --> 1:31:51.160 this with you on air. 1:31:51.320 --> 1:31:51.840 As well. 1:31:52.439 --> 1:31:55.519 The shows try their best to get the most salient 1:31:55.560 --> 1:31:57.519 comments from guests, the best guests that they can get 1:31:57.600 --> 1:31:59.200 for that Sunday morning, and we see that in terms 1:31:59.240 --> 1:32:01.120 of who's on them. We're talking just a moment ago 1:32:01.200 --> 1:32:03.960 about the chairman of the RNC was on Fox News 1:32:03.960 --> 1:32:07.360 Sunday talking about plans for Milwaukee. We know that Chris Coons, 1:32:07.400 --> 1:32:10.200 the Senator from Delaware, a close friend and confidante of 1:32:10.680 --> 1:32:12.240 President Joe Biden, is going to be on Meet the 1:32:12.280 --> 1:32:14.840 Press this morning. I'm very interested to hear what he 1:32:14.920 --> 1:32:17.280 has to say, yes about the state of that campaign, 1:32:17.320 --> 1:32:19.760 the state of his friend Joe Biden, who one can 1:32:19.760 --> 1:32:22.639 only imagine has been shaken by what's happened here as well, 1:32:23.080 --> 1:32:26.160 and what the Democratic Party's plans are going forward here 1:32:26.320 --> 1:32:28.200 as they really have no choice but to watch what 1:32:28.320 --> 1:32:31.040 unfolds in Milwaukee over these next few days. 1:32:31.080 --> 1:32:35.320 In the mountains of western Pennsylvania and the Appalachia of Coal, 1:32:35.400 --> 1:32:38.120 which is David mentioned, used to be turned into steel 1:32:38.760 --> 1:32:42.240 a little bit still today, there is one lonely plateau 1:32:43.080 --> 1:32:46.400 and they decided to plan an airport on top of it. 1:32:46.400 --> 1:32:50.200 It's really challenging, to say the least pit is a 1:32:50.240 --> 1:32:55.439 Pittsburgh airport and there Heydrian Loewencren joins us right now 1:32:55.479 --> 1:32:59.559 of course with Bloomberg News, our White House correspondent. Hey, Joan, 1:32:59.720 --> 1:33:03.559 what you learned in the last hour, Well, well. 1:33:03.520 --> 1:33:07.040 Thanks so much for having me on here. You know, again, 1:33:07.120 --> 1:33:10.240 as you mentioned when looking ahead to Milwaukee, we just 1:33:10.400 --> 1:33:13.880 received a memo from the Trump campaign that they were 1:33:13.960 --> 1:33:18.000 panting arms to come. And you know what's also you 1:33:18.040 --> 1:33:21.719 know that we're investigating is what will happen to future 1:33:21.840 --> 1:33:25.800 big outdoor events like this. How will these types of 1:33:25.920 --> 1:33:31.320 rallies continue? How will campaign and continue? You know, And 1:33:31.439 --> 1:33:36.200 as you mentioned, we have people up on guests, lawmakers, 1:33:36.800 --> 1:33:38.360 people in charge of the R and C on all 1:33:38.400 --> 1:33:40.960 these talk shows. Everyone is figuring this out for the 1:33:41.000 --> 1:33:44.240 first time. But the security at the convention, who the 1:33:44.360 --> 1:33:46.920 VP is, What it means to have a VP in 1:33:47.000 --> 1:33:49.600 terms of someone who is able to take on the 1:33:49.720 --> 1:33:53.400 job of the president should something like this happen across 1:33:53.439 --> 1:33:56.880 both parties is something that we're chasing right now. 1:33:57.200 --> 1:33:59.000 Tom Hendrian is hitting on something that I've thought a 1:33:59.000 --> 1:34:02.680 lot about, having read presidential memoirs before political memoirs, there 1:34:02.720 --> 1:34:05.160 is this very sobering moment if you're picked to be 1:34:05.200 --> 1:34:08.760 the vice presidential nominee. With that comes the immediate onslaught 1:34:08.800 --> 1:34:11.680 of having a security apparatus surround you, and with that, 1:34:11.800 --> 1:34:13.880 I think an awareness of the fact that you were 1:34:13.880 --> 1:34:16.760 doing something that could potentially have great personal peril. And 1:34:16.920 --> 1:34:19.000 of course that was in stark relief last night in 1:34:19.040 --> 1:34:22.559 Western Pennsylvania Heydron. Let me get back to something you 1:34:22.560 --> 1:34:24.800 said just a moment ago, which is the importance of 1:34:24.840 --> 1:34:27.400 these rallies to this campaign. And I think, looking back 1:34:27.439 --> 1:34:30.160 on twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, to some extent, although 1:34:30.160 --> 1:34:33.360 we had the pandemic interceding, this is stock in trade 1:34:33.400 --> 1:34:36.040 for Donald Trump. He loves to do these big events. 1:34:36.080 --> 1:34:38.280 He had fifteen thousand people in that field in Western 1:34:38.320 --> 1:34:42.320 Pennsylvania yesterday. What would it mean if, pushing ahead to 1:34:42.360 --> 1:34:45.920 November after this convention, there is shall we say, a 1:34:45.960 --> 1:34:48.280 reduced interest in doing big events like this. I'm struck 1:34:48.320 --> 1:34:50.080 by what we were all talking about. Going into that 1:34:50.160 --> 1:34:52.720 debate in Atlanta a few weeks ago. There was some 1:34:52.800 --> 1:34:56.599 speculation among the chattering class that that format wasn't going 1:34:56.640 --> 1:34:59.040 to serve Donald Trump well because there wouldn't be an audience, 1:34:59.040 --> 1:35:01.040 he wouldn't be able to fall nade and have the 1:35:01.080 --> 1:35:03.120 warm reception of those who had gathered in the crowd. 1:35:03.439 --> 1:35:05.559 I think an actual fact, he played it pretty well. 1:35:05.600 --> 1:35:07.679 He didn't need that audience, and he stayed very focused 1:35:07.720 --> 1:35:10.640 and very disciplined. What does it mean for this campaign if, 1:35:10.680 --> 1:35:13.639 as you suggest, there could be a moment here now 1:35:13.720 --> 1:35:17.640 where it becomes unpalatable or unadvised or not interesting to 1:35:17.680 --> 1:35:20.000 this campaign to have those kind of big crowds and 1:35:20.040 --> 1:35:22.639 big events that have had for the last two times we've 1:35:22.640 --> 1:35:23.839 mounted a presidential campaign. 1:35:23.880 --> 1:35:25.840 Donald Trump has right. 1:35:25.920 --> 1:35:28.439 So, as you just mentioned, the rallies have been a 1:35:28.560 --> 1:35:32.920 huge part, and Trump thrives off of the audience there, 1:35:33.520 --> 1:35:36.720 but he is able to do more. First of all, 1:35:36.760 --> 1:35:39.760 of course, he already has the ID, the name recognition. 1:35:39.840 --> 1:35:41.800 This is something we were thinking about a while ago 1:35:41.840 --> 1:35:44.000 when all of the indictments came about and we weren't 1:35:44.040 --> 1:35:47.000 sure to what extent he would be locked in the courtroom. 1:35:47.439 --> 1:35:50.000 As we all know, in when he was in New York, 1:35:50.040 --> 1:35:53.360 he was able to have some smaller events, still pulling 1:35:53.360 --> 1:35:56.120 in the press, still keeping the attention on him. So 1:35:56.200 --> 1:35:59.439 he's definitely able to kind of work around. It's something 1:35:59.439 --> 1:36:02.360 else that's been really big social media. He is on 1:36:02.479 --> 1:36:06.120 truth Social his platform frequently and a lot of other 1:36:06.160 --> 1:36:09.080 people are tapped into that. So he is still finding 1:36:09.120 --> 1:36:12.040 so many other channels to communicate with his base. And 1:36:12.080 --> 1:36:15.000 not to mention, rallies are expensive, you know. Right now 1:36:15.040 --> 1:36:17.920 he has actually kind of caught up with Biden in 1:36:17.960 --> 1:36:21.040 the money race, succeeded it, even exceeded him even but 1:36:21.120 --> 1:36:25.200 before that, when our reporting was showing that rallies were 1:36:25.200 --> 1:36:27.800 a big source of a money drain from him, and 1:36:27.840 --> 1:36:30.920 so this could be something that cost affected as well. 1:36:31.160 --> 1:36:33.240 Safe travels Hedrio on the Lauren kren. 1:36:33.160 --> 1:36:35.439 The trade table, the plane and stow the trade table. 1:36:35.520 --> 1:36:37.679 She's got to get to Milwaukee. 1:36:37.200 --> 1:36:40.400 Butler Pennsylvania, to Pittsburgh and on to Milwaukee, or she 1:36:40.560 --> 1:36:44.240 will assist in our coverts Joe Matthew and Kaylee Linzier 1:36:44.280 --> 1:36:47.559 look for their coverage tonight if five pm across all 1:36:47.640 --> 1:36:50.160 that we're doing. One of the great rules. And the 1:36:50.200 --> 1:36:52.439 first time I ever ran into this, folks, was in 1:36:52.439 --> 1:36:55.200 New Hampshire. I honestly can't remember if it was conquered. 1:36:55.600 --> 1:36:59.400 I'll say it was Manchester. One of the most interesting 1:36:59.520 --> 1:37:03.040 hotels in the world is the Radison Hotel in Madison 1:37:03.040 --> 1:37:06.240 where there's a rotunda, and a million years ago we 1:37:06.280 --> 1:37:08.760 were all there doing the political thing that you do 1:37:08.840 --> 1:37:12.360 in the New Hampster primary, and I looked at everybody's 1:37:12.400 --> 1:37:15.479 cell phone, which probably done was a Pom Pilot, and 1:37:15.600 --> 1:37:20.080 everyone was looking at this new thing called Politico. Ah, 1:37:20.640 --> 1:37:25.519 there is something about being weaned at Politico which makes 1:37:25.560 --> 1:37:29.200 you a different reporter. Nancy Cook for years of Politico 1:37:29.280 --> 1:37:32.120 and institution there, and we are thrilled that she is 1:37:32.160 --> 1:37:34.920 our senior national correspondent this morning. 1:37:35.000 --> 1:37:36.840 Good friend of the show, friend of mine as well. 1:37:36.920 --> 1:37:38.040 Nancy. Great to speak with you. 1:37:38.400 --> 1:37:41.320 Yes, weaned it at Politico, raised here at Bloomberg where 1:37:41.360 --> 1:37:44.200 she covered that the treup campaign, all four years of it. Nancy, 1:37:44.240 --> 1:37:46.280 you and I have been talking a lot about the 1:37:46.320 --> 1:37:49.440 way that Donald Trump has been waging this particular campaign, 1:37:49.960 --> 1:37:52.599 about the role that Susie Wiles has been playing, about 1:37:53.080 --> 1:37:56.920 his advisor's ability to keep him focused, keep him talking 1:37:56.960 --> 1:37:59.639 about what they think the American public wants to hear, about, 1:38:00.080 --> 1:38:02.320 getting him to suppress some of the things that he, 1:38:02.600 --> 1:38:05.680 let's just say it, likes to talk about and focus on. 1:38:06.280 --> 1:38:08.720 How much confidence do you have in their ability to 1:38:08.800 --> 1:38:10.760 keep to be listening very closely to what he has 1:38:10.800 --> 1:38:13.479 to say whenever he says it. After this attack yesterday, 1:38:13.520 --> 1:38:16.599 but do you have confidence that that has staying power. 1:38:16.640 --> 1:38:18.839 There are emphasis that they've placed to him that he needs. 1:38:18.640 --> 1:38:19.400 To stay focused. 1:38:20.320 --> 1:38:23.680 I think that what happened last night, which was terrifying 1:38:23.840 --> 1:38:29.200 and tragic, you know, just objectively, we'll focus him even more. 1:38:29.520 --> 1:38:32.840 He is going to head into the Republican National Convention 1:38:32.920 --> 1:38:35.360 in Milwaukee, where I am right now, I think, with 1:38:35.479 --> 1:38:38.440 such a sense of purpose and such a clear message 1:38:38.880 --> 1:38:41.439 that you know his enemies are after him. This is 1:38:41.479 --> 1:38:44.880 going to turn him into even more of a movement figure. 1:38:45.320 --> 1:38:47.960 It's going to give his supporters even more of a 1:38:48.040 --> 1:38:50.880 sense of him as a fighter, and it has really, 1:38:51.479 --> 1:38:54.280 i think, rallied the country around him, because of course, 1:38:54.439 --> 1:38:57.240 no one wants this type of political violence, and we've 1:38:57.240 --> 1:38:59.599 seen already the Biden campaign saying they're going to pull 1:38:59.640 --> 1:39:01.720 down that ads. You know, they're going to go dark 1:39:01.760 --> 1:39:04.679 for a little while. So this really gives Trump, i think, 1:39:04.840 --> 1:39:07.720 foremost of the week the stage, and I think that 1:39:07.840 --> 1:39:10.599 he will be very disciplined and understand how to use 1:39:10.640 --> 1:39:13.000 this moment, because regardless of what you think of him, 1:39:13.120 --> 1:39:15.160 he does have excellent political instincts. 1:39:15.560 --> 1:39:18.240 Nancy, I want to ask you about five seconds in 1:39:18.280 --> 1:39:21.320 what happened yesterday, not when he was shot and when 1:39:21.320 --> 1:39:22.760 he fell to the floor, but what we were talking 1:39:22.760 --> 1:39:24.639 about with Jean Zay now, just just a moment ago. 1:39:24.760 --> 1:39:28.120 That is the moment he stands up and raises his 1:39:28.120 --> 1:39:31.920 fist and says fight to the crowd. There was an 1:39:32.000 --> 1:39:35.519 incredible wherewithal of that, an awareness of the fact that, look, 1:39:36.479 --> 1:39:39.679 the unthinkable had happened. He'd been forced to the floor, 1:39:39.800 --> 1:39:42.760 He's bleeding out of his right ear, and yet there 1:39:42.840 --> 1:39:46.559 is this quintessential Donald Trumpian awareness of the fact that 1:39:46.600 --> 1:39:49.519 he is, yes, surrounded by those fifteen thousand people. Perhaps 1:39:49.560 --> 1:39:52.240 he saw Doug Mills there with his camera and others, 1:39:52.320 --> 1:39:57.280 but he grasped the importance and lasting significance of that 1:39:57.400 --> 1:40:00.960 moment and wanting to share in the way that he 1:40:01.200 --> 1:40:03.240 so clearly has during the course of his political career 1:40:03.240 --> 1:40:04.240 and business career before that. 1:40:05.520 --> 1:40:09.240 Absolutely, and the image that was taken of that moment 1:40:09.400 --> 1:40:12.519 with him with his sister rais above. There's blood streaming 1:40:12.520 --> 1:40:15.240 down his face, his right ear is bloody, and there's 1:40:15.280 --> 1:40:18.120 an American flag sort of waving behind him as he's 1:40:18.160 --> 1:40:21.680 surrounded by Secret Service agents is iconic now, and it's 1:40:21.880 --> 1:40:24.400 iconic sort of in the country. But you also saw 1:40:24.479 --> 1:40:28.240 a lot of senators yesterday and Republicans and all these 1:40:28.280 --> 1:40:31.559 people sharing it on social media and sort of more 1:40:31.640 --> 1:40:35.080 evidence of what a fighter he is. And to me, 1:40:35.400 --> 1:40:37.080 they were talking about, you know, the fact that he 1:40:37.200 --> 1:40:41.960 survived the thirty four felony convictions, two impeachment trials, you know, 1:40:41.960 --> 1:40:45.880 an assassination attempt for his supporters just adds to the 1:40:45.960 --> 1:40:48.880 lore of like what he is able to overcome and 1:40:48.920 --> 1:40:49.760 his resiliency. 1:40:50.200 --> 1:40:54.839 What is his dynamic right now with the Republican middle 1:40:55.520 --> 1:40:59.200 in the grind of doing Bloomberg surveillance, Nancy. This has 1:40:59.240 --> 1:41:02.719 been a constant and theme the loyalists, as we saw 1:41:02.720 --> 1:41:05.479 in Butler, Pennsylvania. They're not going to budget, They're going 1:41:05.560 --> 1:41:09.639 to be completely engaged. But what is a relationship now 1:41:09.760 --> 1:41:13.760 versus four years ago of former President Trump with a 1:41:13.800 --> 1:41:14.920 Republican middle. 1:41:16.160 --> 1:41:18.879 I think that the relationship between him and the Republican 1:41:18.920 --> 1:41:21.200 middle is still a little tricky. We have seen white 1:41:21.240 --> 1:41:24.439 suburban women, for instance, still not come back to support him, 1:41:24.960 --> 1:41:27.479 and so I think just politically, the gamble that they're 1:41:27.479 --> 1:41:30.439 trying to make for this election is you know, even 1:41:30.479 --> 1:41:32.960 if you can't get white suburban women, let's say, to 1:41:33.040 --> 1:41:36.280 vote for you, they are going after voters who typically 1:41:36.320 --> 1:41:39.400 do not vote Republican. They're going after younger black men, 1:41:39.880 --> 1:41:44.160 They're going after Hispanics. We're seeing polling shows that Hispanics 1:41:44.160 --> 1:41:47.120 are really turning back towards Trump. And so they're trying 1:41:47.160 --> 1:41:50.439 to actually like build a new coalition for this election. 1:41:50.720 --> 1:41:53.240 And it may work, it may not, but that is 1:41:53.280 --> 1:41:53.960 their strategy. 1:41:54.320 --> 1:41:56.479 Nancy Cook, thank you so much for the generous time 1:41:56.520 --> 1:41:59.880 today as you prepare for your work in Milwaukee. Nancy Cook, 1:42:00.080 --> 1:42:04.280 Senior National corresponded. It is a joint out a turn 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:09.560 to Greg Valier of New Hampshire, understanding that he referred 1:42:09.720 --> 1:42:14.759 in Sacramento Ronald Reagan outside the Hilton Hotel. I would 1:42:14.760 --> 1:42:17.760 make a joke of James Garfield in eighteen eighty one, 1:42:18.400 --> 1:42:20.400 but that was just before you know that you were 1:42:20.400 --> 1:42:24.840 the only one before Greg. It is an American curse, 1:42:25.080 --> 1:42:30.639 this assassination and assassination surviving. I should say as well, 1:42:31.280 --> 1:42:34.439 your thoughts of how Donald Trump will. 1:42:34.320 --> 1:42:38.839 Change, Wow, this is a huge event for him. Tom 1:42:39.040 --> 1:42:42.120 Good to be with you, not under these circumstances but 1:42:42.320 --> 1:42:45.600 I do think that for Trump, this is going to 1:42:45.640 --> 1:42:48.720 be a defining moment. I think he has an opportunity 1:42:49.120 --> 1:42:53.559 to become an icon. The photo will become iconic. And 1:42:53.640 --> 1:42:56.200 you got to say, Donald Trump is the clear, clear 1:42:56.280 --> 1:42:57.559 favorite to win the election. 1:42:58.720 --> 1:43:01.080 Greg picking up on that, and we've asked a number 1:43:01.120 --> 1:43:02.920 of folks about the secret to get your perspective on 1:43:02.960 --> 1:43:06.040 it as well. What does he have to say on Thursday? 1:43:06.040 --> 1:43:08.360 What would you like to hear him say on Thursday? 1:43:08.360 --> 1:43:10.360 How does he acknowledge what's happened? How does he move 1:43:10.680 --> 1:43:11.759 us the country forward? 1:43:12.400 --> 1:43:15.320 I think he needs to lower the temperature, David, and 1:43:15.479 --> 1:43:19.000 he has been, ironically in the last few weeks lowered 1:43:19.000 --> 1:43:21.760 the been lowering the temperature a bit. So I think 1:43:21.760 --> 1:43:24.960 he needs to be magnanimous. He needs to tone it down, 1:43:25.560 --> 1:43:29.040 and if he does, he picks up that last group 1:43:29.040 --> 1:43:31.519 that he needs that you guys were just talking about, 1:43:31.520 --> 1:43:34.280 and that's the moderate centrist voters. I think he has 1:43:34.320 --> 1:43:36.439 a chance now to win them as well. 1:43:37.840 --> 1:43:40.280 Tom asking about what happened in the seventies, those two 1:43:40.280 --> 1:43:42.960 attempts on Gerald Ford, which happened in pretty quick succession, 1:43:42.960 --> 1:43:45.280 there was a degree to which we were I won't say, 1:43:45.280 --> 1:43:47.639 we were inured to it, but this was a more 1:43:47.680 --> 1:43:50.160 regular thing. And then we've had this lapse, and we've 1:43:50.160 --> 1:43:52.559 talked about what happened to Steve Scalize, We've talked about 1:43:52.560 --> 1:43:56.879 what happened to Gabrielle Gifford's, but no targeting of presidents 1:43:56.960 --> 1:44:00.400 or presidential candidates in many decades. This is novelty territory 1:44:00.479 --> 1:44:02.679 or a territory that we haven't trod in some time. 1:44:03.640 --> 1:44:06.280 What do we signal to you culturally that we're here again. 1:44:06.760 --> 1:44:08.920 Well, we can't relax. I mean, we still have to 1:44:08.960 --> 1:44:13.000 worry about these types of threats. I mean, I'm sure 1:44:13.040 --> 1:44:15.160 people have said this morning to you guys, you know, 1:44:15.240 --> 1:44:17.800 a quarter of an inch and we'd be having a 1:44:17.840 --> 1:44:20.880 totally different conversation. I think there's also going to have 1:44:20.920 --> 1:44:26.200 to be a really tough scrutiny of security around Trump. 1:44:26.320 --> 1:44:29.960 A lot of people saw this guy with a rifle 1:44:30.360 --> 1:44:32.640 and nobody took him out, and I think that's going 1:44:32.720 --> 1:44:33.760 to have to be explored. 1:44:36.920 --> 1:44:41.599 I look, Greg Vellier at the scope of this, and 1:44:41.680 --> 1:44:44.080 I am wedded to the tradition that you and I 1:44:44.120 --> 1:44:46.680 grew up with. GIRs far too young to remember this, 1:44:47.560 --> 1:44:53.400 But essentially we have modern conventions that are constructed media events, 1:44:53.400 --> 1:44:57.120 to stagger to a film opportunity to run tape in 1:44:57.160 --> 1:45:02.440 October and into November. Did that equation change last yesterday 1:45:02.720 --> 1:45:04.800 yesterday evening a bit. 1:45:05.439 --> 1:45:08.320 I have to say, just to reiterate, I think this 1:45:08.479 --> 1:45:12.160 makes Trump an iconic figure. The blood streaming down his face, 1:45:12.760 --> 1:45:16.320 the defiant fist clench. I mean, this is going to 1:45:16.360 --> 1:45:18.919 be the image that we'll see between now in November 1:45:18.960 --> 1:45:25.240 fifth and it, barring something extraordinary, some huge gas by Trump, 1:45:25.479 --> 1:45:26.280 He's going to win well. 1:45:26.320 --> 1:45:27.960 And both of you weigh in here, David Ger, I'm 1:45:27.960 --> 1:45:30.599 going to go to you first of all. And there's 1:45:30.640 --> 1:45:34.120 people that have written speeches for presidents. Do you actually 1:45:34.120 --> 1:45:37.000 believe that Donald Trump as a speech writer or is 1:45:37.040 --> 1:45:40.280 he going to add lib this is only he can do. 1:45:40.960 --> 1:45:42.840 I go back to what we were talking about with Nancy. 1:45:43.080 --> 1:45:45.200 I'm eager for Greg to jump in here as well. 1:45:45.840 --> 1:45:48.960 I just feel like, and my sense is from all 1:45:49.000 --> 1:45:50.960 that I've read and heard from Nancy and others, that 1:45:51.000 --> 1:45:54.759 this campaign is more professional than past campaigns that Donald 1:45:54.760 --> 1:45:58.640 Trump has waged. He has folks running it who are experienced, 1:45:59.120 --> 1:46:02.320 more than competent, and again very professional, and so to 1:46:02.360 --> 1:46:05.200 answer your question. Who knows how much he will add 1:46:05.240 --> 1:46:08.439 lib be extemporaneous. We know that he likes to do that, 1:46:09.040 --> 1:46:11.479 but I think that he has the structure in place 1:46:11.560 --> 1:46:14.400 in this campaign to guide him in delivering a speech 1:46:14.800 --> 1:46:17.880 that will be effective and effectively capture this moment. Greg, 1:46:18.120 --> 1:46:19.400 I'd love to hear from you if you feel that the 1:46:19.439 --> 1:46:21.360 same way that this just it feels different than it 1:46:21.360 --> 1:46:21.600 did the. 1:46:21.600 --> 1:46:22.360 Last two times. 1:46:22.520 --> 1:46:24.679 Absolutely, David. I was just going to make the point 1:46:24.760 --> 1:46:28.880 that I think the campaign already was doing well before 1:46:28.920 --> 1:46:32.559 this incident yesterday. They had toned it down, they got 1:46:32.640 --> 1:46:36.560 a sharper edge, They have top people running the campaign, 1:46:36.800 --> 1:46:39.200 So he was the front runner clearly even before what 1:46:39.320 --> 1:46:40.160 happened yesterday. 1:46:41.120 --> 1:46:43.320 I've had a number of these conversations Tom, with people 1:46:43.360 --> 1:46:46.439 who support the former president and don't talking about the debate. Yes, 1:46:46.439 --> 1:46:48.240 we focused a lot on the way that Joe Biden 1:46:48.280 --> 1:46:51.320 has comported himself during the course of that disastrous debate 1:46:51.360 --> 1:46:53.200 for him. And then there are people who don't like 1:46:53.240 --> 1:46:55.080 the former president and say, oh, but if he lied 1:46:55.120 --> 1:46:57.599 all these times, how can you ignore that? I think Tom, 1:46:57.640 --> 1:46:59.760 picking up on what Greg was saying, there there was 1:46:59.800 --> 1:47:02.120 a a focus and an awareness of the space and 1:47:02.160 --> 1:47:04.600 the forum for that debate that I think exemplifies what 1:47:04.640 --> 1:47:06.400 Greg and I have been talking about here. That is 1:47:06.720 --> 1:47:09.080 just just an awareness of what he needs to do 1:47:09.160 --> 1:47:10.559 to wage this campaign effectively. 1:47:10.840 --> 1:47:14.479 Greg Valier, this seminal event here of the next forty 1:47:14.520 --> 1:47:18.400 eight hours is a vice president for is my recall 1:47:18.439 --> 1:47:23.960 a seventy eight year old wounded former president. I mean, 1:47:24.000 --> 1:47:25.719 I'm not going to you know, I don't need theater 1:47:25.840 --> 1:47:29.240 here of like how is the vice presidential choice? Change? 1:47:29.600 --> 1:47:32.400 But it's ever more important now after what we've witnessed. 1:47:33.320 --> 1:47:37.280 Absolutely, the realities are stark right now. So I think 1:47:37.320 --> 1:47:40.439 he's got to pick somebody with experience, someone who can 1:47:40.439 --> 1:47:44.040 step in immediately. It almost has to be, in my mind, 1:47:44.560 --> 1:47:47.439 Marco Rubio. But I've been wrong before, I could be 1:47:47.479 --> 1:47:48.000 wrong again. 1:47:48.080 --> 1:47:50.280 How could he do that with two people from Florida? 1:47:51.320 --> 1:47:55.360 Rubio moves, Rubio gets a condo in DC or New 1:47:55.439 --> 1:48:00.320 York whatever that you know, don't forget Carl roaft Nook, 1:48:02.880 --> 1:48:05.400 who is the running the running mate. 1:48:05.520 --> 1:48:07.840 That's okay, Greb. You're allowed to have brain freezes on 1:48:07.880 --> 1:48:11.320 Bloomber surveillance a daily basis. 1:48:12.240 --> 1:48:15.760 Dick Cheney, I'm sorry, so Dick Cheney did the same thing. 1:48:16.400 --> 1:48:19.599 He changed his residency, and nobody said very much about it. 1:48:20.520 --> 1:48:23.320 When you look at what the president former president is considering. 1:48:23.600 --> 1:48:26.360 And here's where I'll draw the contrast. We've talked a 1:48:26.360 --> 1:48:28.519 lot about this tweet from Jdvans last night, drawing this 1:48:28.560 --> 1:48:31.280 direct line to what he says is Joe Biden's rhetoric 1:48:31.360 --> 1:48:34.880 and what happened to Donald Trump last night. Does that 1:48:34.880 --> 1:48:36.960 affect this in any way, this person's approach to what 1:48:37.040 --> 1:48:39.640 happened yesterday, or you know, does this go beyond that? 1:48:39.760 --> 1:48:39.840 Is? 1:48:40.320 --> 1:48:41.880 Give us your sense, give us a great value, a 1:48:41.960 --> 1:48:44.759 sense of what Donald Trump wants, what Donald Trump needs 1:48:44.840 --> 1:48:46.160 in a running running mate this time. 1:48:46.240 --> 1:48:48.400 I think if he wants to go for comfort, he 1:48:48.439 --> 1:48:51.519 ghosts for the North Dakota Senator Burgham. I think they 1:48:51.520 --> 1:48:54.280 get along very well. They're both on the same wavelength. 1:48:55.040 --> 1:48:59.000 But Burgham has no name recognition, and I think you've 1:48:59.000 --> 1:49:02.320 got to get somebody with the name recognition. Again, if 1:49:02.360 --> 1:49:06.200 you want somebody with a good background in geopolitics, for 1:49:06.360 --> 1:49:09.479 somebody who really knows how Washington works, Rubio is the 1:49:09.520 --> 1:49:10.559 logical choice. 1:49:10.840 --> 1:49:13.679 What about Nikki Haley, Terry Haynes and others? Have said 1:49:13.720 --> 1:49:17.360 to us that this is a point. You know, if 1:49:17.400 --> 1:49:21.880 you say I'm more presidential, Donald Trump would be more political. 1:49:22.840 --> 1:49:27.519 You know, go back to Harold Stassen. You're the only ones, Greg, 1:49:27.600 --> 1:49:28.800 you and I are the only ones who know who 1:49:28.840 --> 1:49:33.439 Harold Statsen is. But is this a point where we 1:49:33.479 --> 1:49:34.400 see Trump? Haley? 1:49:35.280 --> 1:49:38.439 No, you got to say Tom that she doesn't like him, 1:49:38.840 --> 1:49:42.479 he doesn't like her. They do not get along. I 1:49:42.520 --> 1:49:46.960 would be very surprised if she said yes, I don't. 1:49:47.120 --> 1:49:50.200 I've not heard anything about her being credited. That would 1:49:50.240 --> 1:49:51.080 be a big upset. 1:49:51.600 --> 1:49:54.080 Greg Valier, thank you for the time. Allway's generous with 1:49:54.160 --> 1:49:59.679 us with AGF investments. Really the first morning note honest, David, Yeah. 1:50:00.120 --> 1:50:01.800 Picking up on what we were just talking about there. 1:50:01.880 --> 1:50:04.160 I was down in Atlanta covering that debate, and there 1:50:04.520 --> 1:50:08.200 has been this very showman like aspect to this selection process, 1:50:08.240 --> 1:50:10.960 and so leading up to that debate and afterward when 1:50:10.960 --> 1:50:14.200 the surrogates flooded the floor of the spin room, Nikki 1:50:14.240 --> 1:50:16.040 Haley absent from all of that. But you did see 1:50:16.040 --> 1:50:20.120 Doug Burgham, you saw Tim Scott, you saw jd Vance 1:50:20.439 --> 1:50:22.760 on the floor there. So it seems clear to me 1:50:22.960 --> 1:50:25.080 that would be a real sleeper pick from Donald Trump 1:50:25.080 --> 1:50:26.760 if he picks that, Nick Kaily, others have been kind 1:50:26.760 --> 1:50:28.719 of brought out, trumpeted out, trotted out to be shown 1:50:28.960 --> 1:50:30.599 to the public here leading up to this decision. 1:50:30.680 --> 1:50:33.599 We are now going to turn to a difficult topic 1:50:33.880 --> 1:50:35.720 and we are going to do it respect for his 1:50:35.840 --> 1:50:39.960 public service to those of the Pentagon in the CIA. 1:50:40.160 --> 1:50:42.720 McK mulroy, I think I spoke to him in the 1:50:42.800 --> 1:50:47.080 last seventy two hours. Make I honestly can't remember all 1:50:47.120 --> 1:50:51.240 sorts of accolades here that you have done. But one 1:50:51.320 --> 1:50:54.280 of those acolloids is to actually hold a weapon in 1:50:54.360 --> 1:50:57.639 your hands and feel the pressure. I'm not talking about 1:50:57.640 --> 1:51:02.560 a twenty two or even some form of societal pistol. 1:51:02.960 --> 1:51:06.040 I'm talking about whatever was alleged to be used as 1:51:06.080 --> 1:51:11.519 a rifle in this attempted assassination. How accurate is the 1:51:11.880 --> 1:51:18.560 reported AK style AR style excuse me ar style and 1:51:18.680 --> 1:51:25.920 your professional ability, Mick in the military. How accurate can 1:51:25.960 --> 1:51:30.320 an AR style rifle be scope or no scope from 1:51:30.400 --> 1:51:31.160 that distance? 1:51:32.840 --> 1:51:35.160 So good to be with you, Tom and David after 1:51:35.200 --> 1:51:40.560 this horrible event. Essentially, an AR fifteen is the civilian 1:51:40.760 --> 1:51:43.280 equivalent to an M sixteen R M four, So the 1:51:43.320 --> 1:51:47.080 same weapons that are carried in the US military and 1:51:47.160 --> 1:51:51.240 the CIA. It's the same. It just has a few modifications, 1:51:51.320 --> 1:51:53.839 like it cannot shoot a three round verse, for example, 1:51:54.520 --> 1:51:57.400 but essentially you don't need that anyway. So it is 1:51:57.520 --> 1:52:02.919 designed to be incredibly accurate by people who quite frankly, 1:52:03.160 --> 1:52:05.640 are at the basic level of the army or the 1:52:05.680 --> 1:52:08.479 Marine Corps. And I can tell you, as a former 1:52:08.520 --> 1:52:11.839 marine that the average marine could make this shot without 1:52:11.880 --> 1:52:16.960 optics almost any day. And I don't mean that trumpet anything. 1:52:17.080 --> 1:52:20.120 I'm just it's not one hundred and fifty yards away 1:52:20.479 --> 1:52:23.320 from an elevated position with a direct line of sight. 1:52:23.960 --> 1:52:27.000 So it is just luck, I think. And I don't 1:52:27.040 --> 1:52:29.320 know if this individual had any training or his background, 1:52:29.400 --> 1:52:32.040 but I think it's just luck that it didn't kill 1:52:32.479 --> 1:52:33.559 former President Trump. 1:52:34.080 --> 1:52:36.599 This was a source of conversation at the dining room 1:52:36.640 --> 1:52:39.880 table last night, and what I said to one of 1:52:39.920 --> 1:52:44.160 the cherubs was you have to have a quiet when 1:52:44.240 --> 1:52:49.760 firing a rifle for accuracy, and most of us, including me, 1:52:50.120 --> 1:52:53.680 David Gera, and a twenty year old lost in western Pennsylvania, 1:52:54.520 --> 1:52:59.360 don't have that quiet. I mean, basically, the reason President 1:52:59.439 --> 1:53:03.200 Trump is live is because an amateur held a weapon, 1:53:03.560 --> 1:53:06.639 you were professional in am I close there? 1:53:08.080 --> 1:53:10.400 It could be yes, it could be that. It could 1:53:10.400 --> 1:53:12.719 be that there was, you know, augusta wind that happened 1:53:12.720 --> 1:53:15.640 at the last second that I don't know, but the 1:53:15.680 --> 1:53:19.519 prone position which apparently he was in with that style 1:53:19.560 --> 1:53:23.680 of weapon in AAR fifteen, which is very accurate. I 1:53:23.720 --> 1:53:26.599 am assuming he had optics because they're almost everywhere now, 1:53:26.640 --> 1:53:30.200 But even with iron sights, it's not a difficult shot. 1:53:30.479 --> 1:53:33.639 So I think even a person who had never shot before, 1:53:34.120 --> 1:53:36.240 within a half a day of training could have made 1:53:36.240 --> 1:53:38.800 that shot quite frankly. And I do believe it was 1:53:38.880 --> 1:53:42.679 just luck or something else happened that intervened. He slipped, 1:53:43.240 --> 1:53:47.400 he was spotted. I don't know. Oh yeah, obviously was 1:53:47.439 --> 1:53:51.559 taking a headshot. Most people would have tried to shoot 1:53:51.640 --> 1:53:55.240 for you know, mid torso, but I don't know. I 1:53:55.240 --> 1:53:57.760 don't want to get too into low, but it's just 1:53:57.880 --> 1:54:00.519 not it is not that difficult to show well. And 1:54:00.600 --> 1:54:03.599 as brave as a secret service was that got up 1:54:03.600 --> 1:54:06.760 there and covered him, this was a big breakdown insecurity. 1:54:06.800 --> 1:54:08.760 There should not have been somebody on a route at 1:54:08.800 --> 1:54:11.160 that location. There should have been some kind of law 1:54:11.200 --> 1:54:15.040 enforcement presence at that location just a few hundred. 1:54:14.840 --> 1:54:17.160 Feet away from the stage there in Butler, Pennsylvania. And 1:54:17.200 --> 1:54:18.559 you're right in pointing out and make I mean, there's a 1:54:18.560 --> 1:54:21.080 lot we don't know here, a wide vacuum of information 1:54:21.160 --> 1:54:23.160 that presumably will be filled in the coming days, and 1:54:23.200 --> 1:54:27.160 were hearing that they'll be hearings with Secret Service leadership 1:54:27.360 --> 1:54:29.719 as well. Nick, I want to ask you about political 1:54:29.800 --> 1:54:31.200 violence and what this signals for you. 1:54:31.280 --> 1:54:32.720 And we've talked a lot about. 1:54:33.520 --> 1:54:38.240 Historical precedent here analogs throughout modern history, and how there 1:54:38.400 --> 1:54:40.760 was a relative calm at least when it comes to 1:54:41.080 --> 1:54:45.200 assassinations of for attempted assassinations of political figures. How do 1:54:45.240 --> 1:54:46.920 you see this changing that? What do you say to 1:54:46.920 --> 1:54:50.800 somebody who watches what's happened here and fears greatly that 1:54:51.560 --> 1:54:54.240 this itself may have been an isolated incidant, but what's 1:54:54.280 --> 1:54:56.800 been at play here could snowball further. 1:54:58.440 --> 1:55:00.480 Well, I think it's safe to say there we're seeing 1:55:01.000 --> 1:55:04.800 a rise of both extremes, both on the far left 1:55:04.880 --> 1:55:07.840 and the far right, and not only a rise in 1:55:07.960 --> 1:55:12.560 violent rhetoric, but the capacity to do violence, so arming 1:55:12.600 --> 1:55:16.920 themselves both sides. A lot of these groups are looking 1:55:16.960 --> 1:55:20.520 for a reason, right They are looking for a cause 1:55:21.000 --> 1:55:24.920 to get behind to do things that would promote their 1:55:24.920 --> 1:55:28.920 political agenda as extreme as it is based on some 1:55:29.000 --> 1:55:32.240 kind of impetus. This could be an impetus. We don't 1:55:32.240 --> 1:55:36.240 know what this individual's motivation was. He was he doing 1:55:36.280 --> 1:55:40.360 it for political reasons or was he just mentally disturbed 1:55:40.480 --> 1:55:43.320 and thought that this was going to somehow get him 1:55:43.360 --> 1:55:46.120 some attention. I don't know, but it doesn't probably doesn't 1:55:46.160 --> 1:55:49.160 matter to those extremist groups that we're looking for a reason. 1:55:49.200 --> 1:55:53.760 So I believe the FBI that the hs AND is 1:55:53.800 --> 1:55:57.080 going to be looking for talk right now, Chatter on 1:55:57.200 --> 1:55:59.840 a lot of these alternative social media sites that are 1:56:00.120 --> 1:56:04.040 used about some kind of retaliation of who they'd retaliate against. 1:56:04.320 --> 1:56:06.960 I don't know, but logic might not rule the day here. 1:56:07.640 --> 1:56:11.040 I think this is an indication of what has been 1:56:11.080 --> 1:56:15.560 growing and we've seen all sorts of political violence, including 1:56:15.640 --> 1:56:19.320 January sixth, and this could be the tip of the iceberg. 1:56:19.440 --> 1:56:22.440 It could be something that creates a cascading Hopefully that 1:56:22.480 --> 1:56:24.840 doesn't happen. I'm sure that people are worried about that. 1:56:24.960 --> 1:56:26.720 Let me pull a thread there, because I heard Juliet 1:56:26.760 --> 1:56:29.120 Kim at the Kennedy School on CNN yesterday talking about 1:56:29.120 --> 1:56:32.560 how in a situation like this, the motive is rarely 1:56:32.760 --> 1:56:34.960 clear cut. You look back on what happened with Reagan, 1:56:34.960 --> 1:56:38.320 for example, can you comment on that just sort of 1:56:38.360 --> 1:56:40.760 the work that will be undertaken here to find out 1:56:40.800 --> 1:56:42.240 what that motive is. Again, there's a lot of sort 1:56:42.280 --> 1:56:44.920 of basic investigative work that needs to happen here about 1:56:44.920 --> 1:56:47.080 the security breakdown and all of that. But when we 1:56:47.120 --> 1:56:51.120 get down to figuring out who this person was, what 1:56:51.280 --> 1:56:53.840 made him tick, and why he did that, how complicated 1:56:53.840 --> 1:56:57.560 a process is that? And conversely, what's that likely to 1:56:57.560 --> 1:56:59.640 show about the complicatedness of that individual. 1:57:01.040 --> 1:57:04.040 Sure, so I think there's two parts i'd highlight For that. One, 1:57:05.320 --> 1:57:07.960 people are going to use whatever they want for their 1:57:08.040 --> 1:57:11.720 reasoning behind why this individual did what they did. Social 1:57:11.760 --> 1:57:15.040 media is now everywhere in our adversaries see it and 1:57:15.120 --> 1:57:18.560 they just magnify it. So if somebody spreads the rumor 1:57:18.600 --> 1:57:21.320 that this person was, you know, a political opponent of 1:57:21.480 --> 1:57:23.840 president former president Trump and he did this for a 1:57:23.840 --> 1:57:26.440 little more, that's going to get out there pretty quick. 1:57:26.520 --> 1:57:28.640 And the Russians and Chinese and the Iranians are going 1:57:28.680 --> 1:57:31.280 to spread it. It's just a fact. But you are right, 1:57:31.400 --> 1:57:35.480 there are many reasons you reference the President Reagan's attempted assassination. 1:57:35.920 --> 1:57:39.480 That person was doing it to impress a movie actress. 1:57:39.800 --> 1:57:43.760 Right had nothing to do for my memory political but 1:57:44.400 --> 1:57:46.280 and if that's the case here, it needs to come 1:57:46.320 --> 1:57:50.080 out relatively quick. It certainly wouldn't make it any better necessarily, 1:57:50.360 --> 1:57:53.560 but hopefully it would diffuse this idea that if it 1:57:53.680 --> 1:57:55.960 was something that came from the far left, that the 1:57:56.000 --> 1:57:59.080 far right needs to respond. Hopefully that is not the 1:57:59.120 --> 1:58:02.320 case either way, whether it is just a one off, 1:58:02.360 --> 1:58:04.920 disturbed individual or even if this person had some kind 1:58:04.920 --> 1:58:08.400 of more political motive, it needs to be quelled, and 1:58:08.480 --> 1:58:10.400 I think it really needs to be quelled by joint 1:58:10.440 --> 1:58:14.200 statements political leadership, individual state. 1:58:14.320 --> 1:58:16.360 Please stay with us, don't go away. We'd like to 1:58:16.360 --> 1:58:20.160 reintroduce ourselves, folks, to you a special edition of Bloomberg 1:58:20.320 --> 1:58:23.720 Surveillance David Gerra and Tom Keane from our studios in 1:58:23.800 --> 1:58:26.440 New York with all of the abilities of Bloomberg News, 1:58:26.480 --> 1:58:32.480 including Nancy Cook, Jordan Fabian, and Adriana Lauren Corn as well. 1:58:32.480 --> 1:58:35.560 Will you have an extremely important guests coming up will 1:58:35.560 --> 1:58:38.320 tell you of that in a moment, But right now 1:58:38.360 --> 1:58:41.879 we continue our coverage on Bloomberg Radio across America. 1:58:42.000 --> 1:58:45.760 David pivotal moment for this country. At this very moment, 1:58:46.120 --> 1:58:49.200 President Bien expected to meet with his law enforcement team 1:58:49.400 --> 1:58:52.360 homeland security team to get another briefing on that investigation. 1:58:52.400 --> 1:58:53.960 Merrick Garland is going to be there. We know that 1:58:54.000 --> 1:58:56.560 this investigation, which at first was being handled by the 1:58:56.560 --> 1:59:01.000 Secret Service, of course overseeing that event yesterday Butler Pennsylvania 1:59:01.000 --> 1:59:04.280 in Western Pennsylvania, that baton has been passed to the FBI, 1:59:04.320 --> 1:59:06.520 and Mark Carland, the Attorney General, has talked about how 1:59:06.520 --> 1:59:08.400 no resource will be spared to get to the heart 1:59:08.400 --> 1:59:10.920 of this. Secretary of Homeland Security will be there as 1:59:10.960 --> 1:59:13.720 well aslong with many members of President Biden's team. So 1:59:14.680 --> 1:59:17.360 we will not hear from President Biden until that briefing 1:59:17.360 --> 1:59:19.200 takes place. Perhaps we'll hear from HM later today, we 1:59:19.200 --> 1:59:22.280 hear from Joe Matthew in Wisconsin. Maybe we'll hear from 1:59:22.280 --> 1:59:25.120 the former president see the former president today as well. 1:59:25.120 --> 1:59:28.080 But we are in this vacuum where the investigation is 1:59:28.080 --> 1:59:31.480 still in its infancy. Tom law enforcement collecting all of 1:59:31.520 --> 1:59:34.240 that information all the while they are looking ahead to 1:59:34.280 --> 1:59:37.360 this critical event taking place in Wisconsin this week, and 1:59:37.400 --> 1:59:40.640 as we were discussing forty different law enforcementities preparing security for. 1:59:40.600 --> 1:59:42.320 That, Yeah, I guess it's going to be a one year, 1:59:42.400 --> 1:59:44.120 two year, three year thing, and we're going to learn 1:59:44.200 --> 1:59:46.720 that it's going to take more money to protect, whether 1:59:46.800 --> 1:59:49.880 it's those of our legislative branches and frankly at the 1:59:49.920 --> 1:59:52.680 state level as well. You wonder if there's going to 1:59:52.680 --> 1:59:55.800 be a budget sea change here, as frankly there was 1:59:56.120 --> 2:00:00.360 when Lincoln was assassinated in eighteen sixty five. To me, 2:00:01.360 --> 2:00:06.560 far more important is what do they do this afternoon 2:00:07.400 --> 2:00:11.160 or tomorrow. There has to be a change behavior going 2:00:11.240 --> 2:00:12.520 into these two conventions. 2:00:12.720 --> 2:00:15.160 Yeah, and we know that the former president had a 2:00:15.240 --> 2:00:18.280 large Secret Service apparatus surrounding him, not as large as 2:00:18.320 --> 2:00:19.920 the current president. Just give them the fact that he's 2:00:19.920 --> 2:00:22.000 in the job and has a longer motorcade and more 2:00:22.040 --> 2:00:24.440 people in it and more vehicles, and it is well 2:00:24.480 --> 2:00:26.120 more security, But you know, what does it mean? And 2:00:26.120 --> 2:00:30.000 we've heard the calls in these recent hours for heightened 2:00:30.000 --> 2:00:33.320 security for Donald Trump, heightened security for RFK Junior as well. 2:00:33.320 --> 2:00:35.440 He doesn't have Secret Service protection at this point, and 2:00:36.240 --> 2:00:38.520 one can't help but look at him and his candidacy 2:00:38.520 --> 2:00:41.080 and think that, think of his history, his personal history. 2:00:41.120 --> 2:00:44.200 Of course, his father killed by an assassin in Los 2:00:44.200 --> 2:00:47.240 Angeles in the late sixties after he won the California primary. 2:00:47.320 --> 2:00:49.760 Something he didn't really want to get into on Fox 2:00:49.760 --> 2:00:51.600 News yesterday when he was interviewed. But something I think 2:00:51.640 --> 2:00:54.560 this top of mind to his supporters and others, is. 2:00:54.520 --> 2:00:56.640 Mick Malroy still with us? Mick, are you still there? 2:00:57.200 --> 2:00:58.840 I just yeah, Dom, I'm okay. 2:00:59.280 --> 2:01:01.480 I just you know, we're getting on in the show 2:01:01.560 --> 2:01:04.400 and I lose my bearings the interns. You know, the 2:01:04.440 --> 2:01:07.240 interns came in. I'd explain the interns. You're in the 2:01:07.240 --> 2:01:12.320 news business. Sunday's your New Monday. Mick Malroy again, thank 2:01:12.320 --> 2:01:15.440 you so much. With your military perspective. One of the 2:01:15.480 --> 2:01:20.440 shocks we have is a distance of this assassination attempt. 2:01:20.920 --> 2:01:23.839 Those of us of a certain vintage understand the distance 2:01:24.080 --> 2:01:29.000 is usually much shorter for our two presidents for President 2:01:29.080 --> 2:01:33.320 Byen former President Trump. How do people like you protect 2:01:33.400 --> 2:01:35.440 them at a short distance. 2:01:37.600 --> 2:01:40.400 So the short distance is you know, close up security, 2:01:40.400 --> 2:01:44.760 where there is both individuals that are obvious secret service 2:01:45.040 --> 2:01:47.920 you can see them with the sunglasses and the you know, 2:01:47.960 --> 2:01:51.400 the radio receiver in their ear. But there's also people 2:01:51.400 --> 2:01:56.840 that aren't obvious. They're wearing playing clothes. They're not necessarily 2:01:56.880 --> 2:01:59.760 somebody would expect your security because they have a different 2:02:00.360 --> 2:02:03.480 of the threats in the audience that that somebody who 2:02:03.560 --> 2:02:06.280 is obviously security wouldn't have. So you're going to have 2:02:06.280 --> 2:02:08.720 a combination of that. And then of course when it 2:02:08.760 --> 2:02:12.320 comes to an area like this, there has to be 2:02:12.360 --> 2:02:15.400 a complete survey of where the threat areas would be. 2:02:15.480 --> 2:02:17.800 And this, if you just look at the overhead imagery, 2:02:18.680 --> 2:02:22.040 this building would have been a significant threat, I think, 2:02:22.480 --> 2:02:24.400 and they should have done something. They should have had 2:02:24.560 --> 2:02:26.720 law enforcement on the roof, on the ground to prevent 2:02:26.800 --> 2:02:29.520 people from getting up there. They should have obstructed the 2:02:29.920 --> 2:02:32.920 line of sight from these areas to where the forum 2:02:32.960 --> 2:02:35.720 president was speaking. I mean, the investigation is new, but 2:02:35.800 --> 2:02:37.640 this is something that I think has already been pointed 2:02:37.640 --> 2:02:39.320 out by so many that just looked at this. So 2:02:39.320 --> 2:02:41.640 they're going to have to adjust the way they do 2:02:42.600 --> 2:02:45.200 these type events. Potentially no more outside events, and they 2:02:45.240 --> 2:02:49.120 might have to supplement the secret statement. 2:02:49.880 --> 2:02:55.440 Make David, this is important, no more outside events, just 2:02:55.640 --> 2:02:59.920 like it's stealing the process, it's stealing David Gura deck 2:03:00.360 --> 2:03:00.760 from us. 2:03:00.920 --> 2:03:03.000 Yeah, and stealing what we know that Donald Trump likes 2:03:03.000 --> 2:03:06.080 to use as a real campaign tool. And MC, let 2:03:06.160 --> 2:03:08.000 me just ask you, as you looked at this event, 2:03:08.640 --> 2:03:12.040 fifteen thousand people in this field in western Pennsylvania. 2:03:12.600 --> 2:03:14.360 You, of course, I'm sure, are aware. 2:03:14.160 --> 2:03:15.800 Of what we heard from Donald Trump when he was 2:03:15.840 --> 2:03:19.320 the president about his attitude towards security. Remember well what 2:03:19.360 --> 2:03:20.960 he said on January the sixth that he didn't need 2:03:21.000 --> 2:03:22.800 metal detectors for those supporters who are going to show 2:03:22.880 --> 2:03:25.720 up on the National mall. How do you react just 2:03:25.720 --> 2:03:30.040 to the security challenges of an event like this in isolation, 2:03:30.640 --> 2:03:31.680 but also just a string of them. 2:03:31.880 --> 2:03:32.360 I confess this. 2:03:32.440 --> 2:03:35.240 I watched this yesterday. I thought, you know, how long 2:03:35.320 --> 2:03:37.680 was this in the works? How firm a grass did 2:03:37.680 --> 2:03:39.320 they have on how many people were going to turn out? 2:03:40.040 --> 2:03:43.200 I imagine doing security. Setting up a security plan and 2:03:43.240 --> 2:03:45.400 executing it for an event like this is difficult under 2:03:45.400 --> 2:03:48.879 any circumstances. But in a campaign where this is regular 2:03:48.960 --> 2:03:52.080 and happening regularly and might be planned with not a 2:03:52.080 --> 2:03:55.520 ton of events, notice, must complicate things all the more. 2:03:56.720 --> 2:03:59.000 Absolutely so, I think It's important to point out just 2:03:59.760 --> 2:04:02.000 the effort that the Secret Service has to do to 2:04:02.000 --> 2:04:05.160 be able to protect both the presidential candidate and the 2:04:05.200 --> 2:04:08.200 president at the same time during the campaign season in 2:04:08.240 --> 2:04:12.400 a country that quite frankly is a wash with weapons. 2:04:13.440 --> 2:04:16.960 I mean, the AR fifteen is essentially ubiquitous across the 2:04:17.040 --> 2:04:21.000 United States, especially where I am in Montana. So this 2:04:21.040 --> 2:04:24.280 is a you know, and I'm talking the political aspects 2:04:24.280 --> 2:04:27.160 of gun ownership here, I'm just talking the cold hard 2:04:27.240 --> 2:04:30.400 sense of security. When people have access to these weapons 2:04:30.440 --> 2:04:32.800 and then you have an outside event, it makes it 2:04:32.840 --> 2:04:37.240 extraordinarily difficult for a security protective detail like the Secret 2:04:37.280 --> 2:04:40.200 Service to do their job. It's just it's different than 2:04:40.240 --> 2:04:43.160 any other country where this would occur. So there would 2:04:43.200 --> 2:04:45.640 be an advanced team. They would scout out how they 2:04:45.640 --> 2:04:49.000 were going to do security, to cover the danger zones, 2:04:49.840 --> 2:04:52.120 where he'd come in, where he'd go out, where they'd 2:04:52.160 --> 2:04:55.240 have their quick reaction for stage, to where the nearest 2:04:55.240 --> 2:04:58.959 hospital is. These are all things that they do everywhere 2:04:59.000 --> 2:05:03.000 they take the president, designated presidential candidate, somebody who's won 2:05:03.040 --> 2:05:05.320 the nomination of the party or the president, of course, 2:05:05.720 --> 2:05:07.520 and it's only going to get more intense it just 2:05:07.560 --> 2:05:10.240 goes on. I mean, we're seeing an uptick in these 2:05:10.280 --> 2:05:15.400 events from both candidates, and I don't see it, you know, reducing. 2:05:15.720 --> 2:05:18.040 I do think it'd be a shame that the democracy 2:05:18.080 --> 2:05:20.760 would be hampered. But from the security point of view, 2:05:20.760 --> 2:05:22.760 I think they're going to recommend they might not follow 2:05:22.800 --> 2:05:26.200 their recommendation no more outside events. It is just difficult 2:05:26.240 --> 2:05:29.320 to cover every you know, area that has a direct 2:05:29.360 --> 2:05:31.720 line of sights. I mean this this weapon system, by 2:05:31.720 --> 2:05:34.720 the way, they are fifteen can you can shoot somebody 2:05:34.720 --> 2:05:38.200 at five hundred yards? The average marine going through Paris 2:05:38.200 --> 2:05:40.480 Island gets taught to shoot somebody with iron sights at 2:05:40.480 --> 2:05:44.960 five hundred yards, right, so three times distants where this 2:05:45.080 --> 2:05:45.920 individual shots. 2:05:47.320 --> 2:05:50.000 Yeah, that is valuable. McK morroy, thank you so much 2:05:50.040 --> 2:05:53.040 for the perspective earned in his public service to the 2:05:53.120 --> 2:05:55.960 nation in the military. David, that's the most sobering common 2:05:56.000 --> 2:05:58.760 I've heard of all this, And again it's what we've 2:05:58.760 --> 2:06:01.280 always done in surveillance over the years here at Bloomberg, 2:06:01.400 --> 2:06:04.160 is to talk to people who actually know what they're 2:06:04.200 --> 2:06:11.080 talking about. Yes, the Western gopre Genie she and you know, 2:06:11.240 --> 2:06:15.160 and all of her work and the turmoil of Northeastern Politics. 2:06:15.200 --> 2:06:19.280 Wendy Schiller up at Brown with a definitive civics text buckets. 2:06:19.720 --> 2:06:23.360 You know, Mick talk like that is that's extraordinary knowledge. 2:06:23.760 --> 2:06:25.960 I continue to watch all of this unfold. We were 2:06:25.960 --> 2:06:28.400 talking about the importance of these Sunday shows today. Senator 2:06:28.400 --> 2:06:30.760 Lindsey Graham is on Meet the Press now, addressing some 2:06:30.800 --> 2:06:33.760 of what we've been discussing, says he plans to talk 2:06:33.800 --> 2:06:36.600 to the former president today. Talked a bit about the 2:06:36.640 --> 2:06:39.680 convention and what to expect, talked about the President's VP pick. 2:06:39.720 --> 2:06:42.560 He said, quote, today underscores why that's an important pick. 2:06:42.840 --> 2:06:45.120 He wants somebody that is ready on day one, that 2:06:45.200 --> 2:06:47.120 can help him win, that can help him. 2:06:47.040 --> 2:06:47.600 Grow the map. 2:06:47.640 --> 2:06:50.480 And then I was struck by this, Lindsey Graham nodding 2:06:50.480 --> 2:06:54.000 to his colleagues across the aisle for their good wishes, 2:06:54.760 --> 2:06:57.680 wishes of good health for the former president, saying quote, 2:06:57.680 --> 2:06:59.680 I think the Republican base at Doris President Trump, there 2:06:59.720 --> 2:07:01.320 is going to be a lot of love coming this way. 2:07:01.640 --> 2:07:03.840 But I'm glad to see my Democratic colleagues saying really 2:07:03.840 --> 2:07:05.400 good things. And you know, this is a moment where 2:07:05.400 --> 2:07:08.160 America has been traumatized and it's good to see. That's 2:07:08.160 --> 2:07:09.840 something else that we've been talking off a lot about 2:07:09.880 --> 2:07:12.720 this morning, Tom, just how to condemn what's happened here 2:07:13.040 --> 2:07:15.760 in Pennsylvania and how to move forward perhaps change that 2:07:15.800 --> 2:07:16.640 political climate. 2:07:16.800 --> 2:07:20.360 We prepare across all of Bloomberg for Balance of Power 2:07:20.480 --> 2:07:24.640 tonight at five pm from Milwaukee, led by Kayleie Lines 2:07:24.680 --> 2:07:27.440 helping out as well Joe Matthew, and we're thrilled to 2:07:27.560 --> 2:07:31.680 Joe Matthew from Milwaukee as well. Joe, should we hear 2:07:32.000 --> 2:07:33.800 from President Trump today? 2:07:34.880 --> 2:07:38.200 That's a great question. I think that it would probably 2:07:38.440 --> 2:07:41.120 not be a surprise if we did. Getting him in 2:07:41.160 --> 2:07:43.280 front of a camera coming down the stairs from that 2:07:43.400 --> 2:07:46.360 airplane last night was not a lot. They need to 2:07:46.440 --> 2:07:49.840 have some sort of presentation for people to get a 2:07:49.840 --> 2:07:53.320 sense of how he's fealing beyond a written statement here, 2:07:53.360 --> 2:07:56.120 so we're all waiting for this. We'll include a running 2:07:56.200 --> 2:07:59.920 mate announcement as he appeared today with his vice presidential pit. 2:08:00.000 --> 2:08:01.880 Think these are some of the questions that we're asking, 2:08:01.920 --> 2:08:04.520 and so much of this has been political in our 2:08:04.560 --> 2:08:07.480 conversation here, but I'm deeply curious to see where we're 2:08:07.520 --> 2:08:11.280 going with this secret service in terms of security details. 2:08:11.280 --> 2:08:14.440 For not only Donald Trump, but also RFK Junior, who 2:08:14.480 --> 2:08:18.840 had previous year requested enhanced security and was denied. And 2:08:18.920 --> 2:08:21.880 the big part of the conversation that you're referring to 2:08:21.920 --> 2:08:25.720 on these Sunday morning shows has been promises of hearings 2:08:25.720 --> 2:08:29.880 and investigations to find out exactly why that person was 2:08:29.920 --> 2:08:31.880 able to get in the physition that he was in 2:08:31.960 --> 2:08:36.160 right now, and what protocol should follow for presidential candidates 2:08:36.200 --> 2:08:39.879 or for the president himself. We have rarely found ourselves 2:08:39.880 --> 2:08:42.400 with so many unanswered questions going into such a massive 2:08:42.400 --> 2:08:44.520 news of it, like this Republican convention. 2:08:44.960 --> 2:08:46.640 Joe, I'm glad you go there, and we talked a 2:08:46.640 --> 2:08:48.600 bit about this with Henry T. Tree's a little earlier 2:08:48.680 --> 2:08:52.000 in the show. We're familiar with the reporting on the 2:08:52.000 --> 2:08:52.720 Secret Service. 2:08:52.760 --> 2:08:54.720 In recent years. There have been scandals. 2:08:54.720 --> 2:08:58.600 We think back on when Hillary Clinton went to South America. 2:08:58.680 --> 2:09:01.040 That an embarrassment I think more so than anything else, 2:09:01.080 --> 2:09:03.640 but of course raised concerns about her security while she 2:09:03.840 --> 2:09:08.040 was there. You, with your experience covering Washington from the 2:09:08.080 --> 2:09:10.480 anchor desk and around town as well, get us up 2:09:10.480 --> 2:09:13.200 to speed on the way that the Secret Service is 2:09:13.240 --> 2:09:15.520 regarded now. I think go back to something I was 2:09:15.520 --> 2:09:17.880 saying to Tom a little while ago. You watch what 2:09:17.960 --> 2:09:20.720 unfolded on that stage and can't help be impressed by 2:09:21.360 --> 2:09:23.879 that group of half dozen agents or so who encircled 2:09:23.880 --> 2:09:25.200 the president and made sure that he got off the 2:09:25.240 --> 2:09:27.440 stage safely. But this is an agency that has been 2:09:27.440 --> 2:09:31.480 beset with problems now for many years. So these calls 2:09:31.480 --> 2:09:35.080 for hearings, while maybe politically motivated, there is some grist 2:09:35.120 --> 2:09:37.000 for them. There's some real grist there, and there is 2:09:37.080 --> 2:09:39.600 some real concern just about the way this agency has 2:09:39.640 --> 2:09:40.680 been run in recent years. 2:09:41.240 --> 2:09:44.320 That's true, and the internal scandals that you're referring to 2:09:44.480 --> 2:09:48.800 never manifested themselves like this to an actual security concern, 2:09:48.840 --> 2:09:51.240 if not a breach of protocol. And I don't want 2:09:51.280 --> 2:09:53.560 to say that that's what it was, but we need 2:09:53.560 --> 2:09:56.720 to find out. And it's more broadly part of a 2:09:56.840 --> 2:10:02.000 bias against federal law enforcement. Hear so much about supporting 2:10:02.000 --> 2:10:03.640 the police, and you're going to hear that every day 2:10:03.640 --> 2:10:07.120 this week in Milwaukee, But they're talking about your local police, 2:10:07.160 --> 2:10:10.000 your state police. When it comes to the FBI. When 2:10:10.040 --> 2:10:12.320 it comes to the Secret Service, they are frequently looked 2:10:12.360 --> 2:10:16.960 at as bad guys, and particularly in the Republican sphere. 2:10:17.600 --> 2:10:20.160 This will not help. And it reminds me as well 2:10:20.200 --> 2:10:23.000 of repeated testimony that we heard over the past year 2:10:23.520 --> 2:10:26.560 from Christopher Ray, the head of the FBI. He said 2:10:26.560 --> 2:10:29.120 it in March, he said it in April, he said 2:10:29.120 --> 2:10:33.040 it again in June, that the terrorist threats have reached 2:10:33.160 --> 2:10:35.840 a whole other level where the words that he used 2:10:36.200 --> 2:10:41.320 in congrational testimony with specific worries about lone wolf terrorism 2:10:41.560 --> 2:10:43.680 that we just now witnessed in reality. 2:10:44.480 --> 2:10:47.720 Could you describe for us you're newly there in Milwaukee. 2:10:47.800 --> 2:10:49.880 We were talking a little bit about the security perimeter, 2:10:50.880 --> 2:10:53.320 what it's like, what it's likely to be like. I 2:10:53.320 --> 2:10:55.720 think back on my recent trip to Atlanta, all of 2:10:55.760 --> 2:10:57.200 the security that I had to go through just to 2:10:57.200 --> 2:10:58.440 get to this arena where. 2:10:58.480 --> 2:10:59.920 In fact, neither of the candidates was going to be. 2:11:00.240 --> 2:11:02.720 We were in the Georgia Tech Basketball Arena, sitting around 2:11:02.760 --> 2:11:05.920 the concourse watching the debate unfold on the jumbo tron, 2:11:06.000 --> 2:11:08.360 but there was still an awful lot of security to 2:11:08.360 --> 2:11:10.320 get through, big gauntlet for us to run through. I 2:11:10.320 --> 2:11:13.839 can only imagine that before this happened, there were stages 2:11:13.920 --> 2:11:16.520 upon stages of security that were set up. What does 2:11:16.560 --> 2:11:18.680 it look like, what's your understanding of what's likely to 2:11:18.800 --> 2:11:20.520 change here as you move ahead to Milwaukee? 2:11:20.880 --> 2:11:23.560 Well, all great questions, and some of this has yet 2:11:23.600 --> 2:11:27.400 to be announced. I'm in downtown Milwaukee right now, in 2:11:27.440 --> 2:11:31.640 an area where most major streets are closed, so you 2:11:31.720 --> 2:11:34.840 walk out of your hotel or the building that you're 2:11:34.840 --> 2:11:36.800 in and you just walk across the street without looking. 2:11:36.840 --> 2:11:39.360 It's a it's got a bit of a no man's 2:11:39.440 --> 2:11:42.000 landfeel to it here, and there are massive barriers like 2:11:42.040 --> 2:11:44.240 the type that you would see surrounding the Supreme Court 2:11:45.040 --> 2:11:48.280 or Capitol Hill that are snaking all throughout the city. 2:11:48.280 --> 2:11:48.400 Here. 2:11:48.440 --> 2:11:50.240 There are a lot of places you simply can't go. 2:11:50.360 --> 2:11:52.080 I tried to get a coffee this morning and had 2:11:52.080 --> 2:11:55.680 to have a security guard actually open the gates for 2:11:55.720 --> 2:11:57.440 me to get out of the block. That's going to 2:11:57.520 --> 2:11:59.800 get worse. And look look at the past couple of 2:12:00.440 --> 2:12:02.520 conventions here, you had to walk a couple of miles 2:12:02.560 --> 2:12:05.400 to get in airport style security. It's really difficult, and 2:12:05.440 --> 2:12:08.120 this one's going to be hard, apparently what we've seen before. 2:12:08.680 --> 2:12:11.920 Tell us about the five o'clock show tonight, I mean, 2:12:11.960 --> 2:12:15.960 everything's been turned upside down, and you know you will 2:12:16.000 --> 2:12:20.560 have great balance of power conversation. But I mean, people 2:12:20.600 --> 2:12:23.840 are flying in right now. They're supposed to be down, 2:12:23.880 --> 2:12:25.800 and you know, I'm going to go, David to the convention. 2:12:25.920 --> 2:12:28.360 Not that you'd know anything about this, but you know, 2:12:28.400 --> 2:12:30.240 you get to a convention, you go to the bar. 2:12:30.520 --> 2:12:33.280 I mean, that's what the people do. How do you 2:12:33.320 --> 2:12:36.200 go to the bar in Milwaukee, Joe Matthew, there's what 2:12:36.280 --> 2:12:41.280 eleven hundred delegates. What do they do now after this 2:12:41.440 --> 2:12:44.240 shock of their guy almost dying. 2:12:44.760 --> 2:12:46.320 Well, I can tell you they were still at the 2:12:46.360 --> 2:12:49.080 bar last night. It was just a very, very different 2:12:49.120 --> 2:12:51.920 feeling and it was pretty remarkable. I was out with 2:12:52.040 --> 2:12:55.160 Rick Davis and one of our producers. We got it late. 2:12:55.240 --> 2:12:57.040 We talked on the radio for a while, we went 2:12:57.040 --> 2:13:00.440 out to dinner even later. The restaurants were packed. Town 2:13:00.600 --> 2:13:03.400 is full. You can't get a hotel room. But there 2:13:03.480 --> 2:13:07.480 was not a celebration inside the restaurant. It's somber, and 2:13:07.520 --> 2:13:10.160 as I said earlier, there is genuinely a dark ceiling 2:13:10.200 --> 2:13:13.000 in Milwaukee. It's cloudy and it's been drizzling so far today. 2:13:13.760 --> 2:13:16.240 When you talk to people, people are kind of nodding 2:13:16.240 --> 2:13:19.800 at each other. Given a smile because there's just a 2:13:19.840 --> 2:13:23.120 fear in the air that's very difficult to quantify and describe. 2:13:23.280 --> 2:13:25.640 And then David Girl, bring that over to Chicago, I 2:13:25.680 --> 2:13:29.480 would suggest, you know, it seems a million months away, 2:13:29.520 --> 2:13:32.000 but it's not. It's you know, two cups of coffee away. 2:13:32.040 --> 2:13:32.880 And it's true. 2:13:33.440 --> 2:13:36.080 Well, we'll have Joe Matthew there and Kaylely lines in 2:13:36.200 --> 2:13:39.440 Amory Horden and arrest. But David Girl, I'm sorry, there's 2:13:39.440 --> 2:13:41.920 a dark cloud over Chicago in August as. 2:13:41.800 --> 2:13:44.400 Well, and it has been over Chicago for a couple 2:13:44.480 --> 2:13:46.400 of weeks now. I think after that debate there was 2:13:46.440 --> 2:13:48.720 a lot of a lot of uncertainty about how those 2:13:49.280 --> 2:13:52.080 those events would proceed. And Joe jump in here in 2:13:52.160 --> 2:13:53.360 just a sect, but I mean, I think that there, 2:13:53.360 --> 2:13:55.800 as I've said this morning, there's a fragility. 2:13:55.280 --> 2:13:56.000 To that convention. 2:13:56.960 --> 2:13:58.960 I think that the sort of events leading to that 2:13:58.960 --> 2:14:00.760 fragility might get a little les attention now in the 2:14:00.760 --> 2:14:03.480 coming days because the focus shifts so squarely to the Republicans. 2:14:03.480 --> 2:14:07.360 But with what happened in Atlanta, with how President Biden 2:14:07.400 --> 2:14:09.640 has comported himself since We've got this interview tomorrow with 2:14:09.720 --> 2:14:12.640 Lester Holt We'll see how that advances this story. I 2:14:12.680 --> 2:14:15.040 think uncertainly is the word that I keep reaching for here. 2:14:15.080 --> 2:14:18.120 Joe correct me if I'm wrong. We don't know how fragile, 2:14:18.120 --> 2:14:20.640 how fractious that convention's going to be. But I don't 2:14:20.640 --> 2:14:22.640 think those dark clouds are going away anytime soon. To 2:14:22.680 --> 2:14:24.040 borrow Tom's metaphor. 2:14:24.160 --> 2:14:27.640 No, they're building. And there's a real question about what 2:14:27.680 --> 2:14:30.480 happens to Bloomberg's reporting here. And I don't know that 2:14:30.600 --> 2:14:35.360 anyone has matched it about advancing the nominating process to 2:14:35.640 --> 2:14:39.400 July twenty first, when as a virtual meeting of DMC 2:14:39.560 --> 2:14:43.360 officialcy idea is to lock this down earlier than August 2:14:43.400 --> 2:14:45.360 so he could get on the ballot, both in Ohio, 2:14:45.440 --> 2:14:47.240 which they seem to have solved, but also just to 2:14:47.320 --> 2:14:51.560 quiet this whole conversation. I don't know how they could 2:14:51.560 --> 2:14:54.000 pull that off now. I don't know exactly how Joe 2:14:54.000 --> 2:14:56.360 Biden can do that interview now with Lester Holt. Is 2:14:56.360 --> 2:14:58.160 he going to be able to criticize the man he's 2:14:58.240 --> 2:15:01.360 running against not starting to day and what kind of 2:15:01.400 --> 2:15:03.520 criticism will be? Will he be able to levy how 2:15:04.120 --> 2:15:06.520 do you talk about January sixth in the same tone 2:15:06.520 --> 2:15:08.000 after what happened yesterday. 2:15:07.800 --> 2:15:10.240 Jack Matthew, Joe Matthew, thank you so much for the 2:15:10.280 --> 2:15:13.680 time this morning, getting ready for his coverage at five 2:15:13.720 --> 2:15:17.480 pm tonight, Joe Matthew and Kaylie Lyones bats a power 2:15:17.480 --> 2:15:23.280 at five pm worldwide on Bloomberg. This next guest, as 2:15:23.320 --> 2:15:25.360 we come up here to the end of our coverage 2:15:25.360 --> 2:15:28.760 this morning, David Gerr and Tom Keen a special edition 2:15:28.880 --> 2:15:33.200 of Bloomberg Surveillance. And I've been waiting all morning to 2:15:33.360 --> 2:15:38.040 ask Jack Divine one question because they sit at home 2:15:38.240 --> 2:15:40.200 and I'm not, as you know, you make jokes about 2:15:40.200 --> 2:15:43.520 it folks on Bloomberg Surveillance, but I'm not the Hollywood 2:15:43.560 --> 2:15:45.680 loadstone scarlet food. 2:15:45.880 --> 2:15:46.440 Yes you're not. 2:15:47.320 --> 2:15:49.800 And Jack Divine, I want to take this from your 2:15:50.000 --> 2:15:54.879 reality of CIA employment over decades, thirty two year veteran 2:15:55.400 --> 2:16:00.400 of a central intelligence agency to the Hollywood and affected 2:16:00.520 --> 2:16:06.360 attitude of people like me that our domestic intelligence services 2:16:07.000 --> 2:16:11.840 should know about the people like this shooter and the 2:16:11.880 --> 2:16:17.320 attempted assassination of a former president. The movies make it 2:16:17.400 --> 2:16:21.360 sound like there's all sorts of fancy intelligence to know 2:16:21.400 --> 2:16:24.800 who these people are. But we're blind, aren't we. 2:16:26.160 --> 2:16:30.840 Yeah, that's a tough question, Tom. Frankly, it's a needle 2:16:30.840 --> 2:16:34.240 in a haystack operation. There's a lot goes on ahead 2:16:34.240 --> 2:16:37.039 of time, they find people, but here you have a loaner. 2:16:37.200 --> 2:16:39.600 I mean there's no record, there's no record of them, 2:16:39.640 --> 2:16:43.160 there's no there's nothing to get a handle on, and 2:16:43.760 --> 2:16:45.959 their operation may take place in a matter of a 2:16:46.040 --> 2:16:48.840 day or two, right, So I think it's unrealistic. Where 2:16:48.840 --> 2:16:52.720 the intelligence community is really good is finding when states 2:16:52.760 --> 2:16:55.720 do it, when governments are trying to do it or plan, 2:16:55.920 --> 2:16:58.120 and that's where you have a better chance. But the 2:16:58.200 --> 2:17:02.320 lone wolf, I don't think there's much success in that. 2:17:02.400 --> 2:17:05.720 You have to be really prepared defensively, you have to 2:17:05.760 --> 2:17:08.760 make sure you've got your protection networks in certainly tap 2:17:08.840 --> 2:17:12.080 your intelligence. If it's a state system then probably will 2:17:12.120 --> 2:17:16.039 be alerting. So I was pretty satisfied early on that 2:17:16.120 --> 2:17:19.440 this was not a state driven event, although there are 2:17:19.480 --> 2:17:20.959 so many black Swans out. 2:17:20.760 --> 2:17:23.840 There, Jack, I want to get your perspective on the 2:17:23.879 --> 2:17:26.480 magnitude of this event. This event as a turning point, 2:17:26.520 --> 2:17:28.720 and as we heard from Joe Matthew a moment ago, 2:17:29.560 --> 2:17:32.160 Christopher Ray, the FBI Director, has warned of the threat 2:17:32.160 --> 2:17:35.560 of domestic terrorism for so long. Now we're all aware 2:17:35.600 --> 2:17:39.040 of how heated the rhetoric has become in American politics today. 2:17:40.240 --> 2:17:42.000 Several of our guests on the show this morning have 2:17:42.080 --> 2:17:44.120 spoken in very candid terms about how they felt that 2:17:44.160 --> 2:17:47.039 this was inevitable. As they put it, that there was 2:17:47.200 --> 2:17:49.960 a slow but burning build to what we saw happen 2:17:50.200 --> 2:17:53.800 in Butler, Pennsylvania yesterday. I would love your perspective on that, 2:17:53.959 --> 2:17:58.000 on the revocability of this that we've gotten to this point, 2:17:58.680 --> 2:18:01.119 where do we go from here? Is there any optimism 2:18:01.160 --> 2:18:02.680 that even if this is a one off, if this 2:18:02.840 --> 2:18:05.879 was a lone wolf and a one man thing, we 2:18:05.920 --> 2:18:09.280 can find our way back to a saner track of 2:18:09.760 --> 2:18:11.240 better comedy among both parties. 2:18:12.200 --> 2:18:14.360 You would like to think so, but let me be frank. 2:18:14.440 --> 2:18:17.640 I mean, I'm not optimistic about that. One of the 2:18:17.640 --> 2:18:20.960 first things I struck me was what about a copycat? 2:18:21.320 --> 2:18:23.320 And then I sat and thought about it. Yes, there's 2:18:23.320 --> 2:18:25.760 some people out that were like the fame, like fame 2:18:25.800 --> 2:18:27.440 and so on, But I think what we have is 2:18:27.480 --> 2:18:32.400 a much larger group of potential threats from people that 2:18:32.480 --> 2:18:36.400 are just so angry, you know, so they have mental issues, 2:18:36.400 --> 2:18:38.880 but they're so angry they strike out. So I think 2:18:39.400 --> 2:18:41.400 your earlier guests I didn't listen to all them. I 2:18:41.440 --> 2:18:46.280 was thinking about this ahead of time. But I think 2:18:46.320 --> 2:18:51.080 their concern is absolutely well well founded. But I don't 2:18:51.080 --> 2:18:54.320 know how we wind back society. And it's not just 2:18:54.360 --> 2:18:56.920 a rhetoric of the politicians, and we're way out of 2:18:57.000 --> 2:19:01.240 line on that across the board, but on social media, 2:19:01.400 --> 2:19:05.040 we have so much going on in there, people immune 2:19:05.360 --> 2:19:09.120 from the violence that this is more of a societal problem. 2:19:09.160 --> 2:19:12.720 It won't be fixed with some new legislation or one 2:19:12.760 --> 2:19:16.440 great speed, but I think we all should learn something here. 2:19:16.640 --> 2:19:18.240 Where'd you grow up? Jack Divine? 2:19:19.560 --> 2:19:21.879 Where did I grow You're going to pick out my 2:19:21.920 --> 2:19:23.599 accent southwest Philadelphia? 2:19:23.800 --> 2:19:27.720 Southwest Philia. I thought so. And what's important here is 2:19:27.760 --> 2:19:33.039 the distinction of urban Philadelphia with the hinterlands west of 2:19:33.080 --> 2:19:40.800 Altoona in Pennsylvania. You're a grizzled, internationally known expert on 2:19:40.920 --> 2:19:45.480 intelligence and the violence of intelligence. How do you look 2:19:45.640 --> 2:19:49.959 at our rural ha geography almost of guns? How do 2:19:50.000 --> 2:19:52.600 you look at the idea that a kid should have? 2:19:52.640 --> 2:19:56.280 But what's it called? David? An air? A kid has 2:19:56.320 --> 2:20:00.240 an air fifteen outside Pittsburgh. I mean, you're not You're 2:20:00.240 --> 2:20:03.280 not hunting pheasant with that, are you right. 2:20:03.320 --> 2:20:06.040 I mean, this is a national issue about you in 2:20:06.120 --> 2:20:09.720 the Second Amendment. Personally, I don't have a gun. That's 2:20:09.720 --> 2:20:12.040 how I feel about it. They're dangerous, you know, they're 2:20:12.080 --> 2:20:15.400 dangerous in household. I understand why there's the Second amend 2:20:15.520 --> 2:20:19.119 I support those that are interested in hunting. I am 2:20:19.120 --> 2:20:22.000 of the view that the weapons of this nature should 2:20:22.000 --> 2:20:26.120 not be available. People should be registered. But the bigger problem, 2:20:26.240 --> 2:20:29.600 tom is the mental health problem. And you know that 2:20:29.720 --> 2:20:33.760 is so huge. So this moaning, I'm going to bet 2:20:33.800 --> 2:20:35.840 that this young fellow has had a gun for a 2:20:35.840 --> 2:20:39.199 long time, that he's hunted in the hills of the Pennsylvania. 2:20:39.640 --> 2:20:43.880 So you know, it's hard. It's hard. It will be registered, 2:20:43.959 --> 2:20:47.440 maybe not. But my guess is the problem is the 2:20:47.480 --> 2:20:50.160 mental health of our country. And I'm not a psychiatrist, 2:20:50.160 --> 2:20:52.600 I'm not a doctor, but I think we all see 2:20:52.640 --> 2:20:55.560 it every day across a broadspector. We got to we've 2:20:55.560 --> 2:20:57.800 got a tone of down good on the highway. I 2:20:57.800 --> 2:20:59.760 mean we don't. I don't want to take a tangent. 2:20:59.879 --> 2:21:03.800 It's all around us anger. So I think the copy 2:21:03.879 --> 2:21:06.800 cat sure, that's a problem, but I just think this 2:21:06.959 --> 2:21:10.960 environment has so much anger and people want to strike out, 2:21:11.200 --> 2:21:16.120 and if you're psychologically ill, you shoot it. You know, 2:21:16.120 --> 2:21:18.800 you shoot a public figures. So I think public figures 2:21:18.840 --> 2:21:21.560 are much greater risk. I think we have to reevaluate 2:21:21.600 --> 2:21:26.040 how we provide security for our candidates. I think we 2:21:26.120 --> 2:21:29.040 have to up it. One thing that I wondered, and 2:21:29.120 --> 2:21:33.080 I haven't seen anybody touch on this, I'm wondering why 2:21:33.280 --> 2:21:36.000 drones in this sage of technology are not part of 2:21:36.000 --> 2:21:41.240 our or kit bag. I mean, when we're doing these events, 2:21:41.280 --> 2:21:44.959 they're just not that hard to manage. But would we 2:21:45.040 --> 2:21:47.039 have been able to cover the crowds now the reaction 2:21:47.160 --> 2:21:50.039 time of the Secret Services spectacular and how they took 2:21:50.080 --> 2:21:54.200 them out. But I'm really stumped on the roof incident. 2:21:54.360 --> 2:21:57.000 So I'm trying to think of how that could be preventive. 2:21:57.040 --> 2:21:58.680 But these are strictly differentive check. 2:21:58.840 --> 2:22:01.760 Thank you Jeck Divine with us his best selling book, 2:22:01.800 --> 2:22:06.160 Good Hunting, an American Spymaster's Story was Riveting a good 2:22:06.200 --> 2:22:10.680 ten years ago. Here we continue our coverage at Bloomberg 2:22:10.760 --> 2:22:13.920 News through the day. David Ger and I will pause 2:22:14.080 --> 2:22:16.959 here and we thank all of our team here at 2:22:16.959 --> 2:22:23.080 Bloomberg surveillance for helping out today and really through the 2:22:23.200 --> 2:22:27.000 night tirelessly working on this good conversation. You have a 2:22:27.040 --> 2:22:29.560 tough job, David. You have to take the big take 2:22:30.400 --> 2:22:34.000 of twenty minutes of excellence on this. What approach will 2:22:34.040 --> 2:22:35.680 you take for the big take? 2:22:35.840 --> 2:22:38.480 Communday, Well, rest assured, we'll do that, and we'll try 2:22:38.480 --> 2:22:41.040 to get everyone the latest information that we have about 2:22:41.160 --> 2:22:43.960 the investigation into what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania. But also 2:22:44.000 --> 2:22:45.240 I think we'll hit it some of the themes that 2:22:45.320 --> 2:22:48.400 we've been touching on over the course of these three hours. Tom, 2:22:48.440 --> 2:22:51.160 principally what this means for our cultural fabric in this 2:22:51.240 --> 2:22:55.920 country as we look ahead till Milwaukee's convention, and I 2:22:55.959 --> 2:22:58.440 look forward to Joe Matthews cover with Kaylee Lines this evening, 2:22:58.440 --> 2:23:01.720 originating from this I did that convention in Milwaukee. But 2:23:02.680 --> 2:23:06.640 I say that with great humility, recognizing how little we 2:23:06.680 --> 2:23:09.400 know right now. And I see something crossing the wire 2:23:09.400 --> 2:23:12.120 here from the Wall Street Journal, The Wall Street Chournal 2:23:12.160 --> 2:23:14.560 reporting authorities found explosive devices in the car of the 2:23:14.600 --> 2:23:17.800 man who officials say tried to assassinate former President Donald Trump. 2:23:17.800 --> 2:23:20.640 According to people briefed on the investigation. We haven't independently 2:23:20.760 --> 2:23:23.360 verified that ourselves, but the Journal has that. And we 2:23:23.440 --> 2:23:26.200 know that President Biden is in the White House now 2:23:26.200 --> 2:23:30.640 getting a briefing from his advisors, Homeland security advisors, talking 2:23:30.640 --> 2:23:33.480 to the Attorney General of the United States as well 2:23:33.480 --> 2:23:36.240 about the investigation that the FBI is mounting here. So 2:23:36.280 --> 2:23:38.200 I think that that's the dual track that we're going 2:23:38.240 --> 2:23:39.800 to take. I know that you're going to take as well, 2:23:40.320 --> 2:23:42.720 looking back trying to figure out what's happened here and 2:23:42.760 --> 2:23:45.640 also looking forward to the greater import of the significance 2:23:45.640 --> 2:23:47.000 of what's happened in Western Pa. 2:23:47.160 --> 2:23:49.400 And is I believe you said within the blur of 2:23:49.440 --> 2:23:53.200 our three hours in what you said, is every speech 2:23:53.879 --> 2:23:56.520 you think of the rehearsal, of the canned nature of 2:23:56.560 --> 2:23:59.920 a modern convention. Full disclosure, folks, I hate the can 2:24:00.080 --> 2:24:04.040 nature of a modern convention. But every speech now will 2:24:04.040 --> 2:24:06.400 be rewritten. There's just plain and simple. 2:24:06.440 --> 2:24:08.480 We know you as somebody who likes to famously rip 2:24:08.560 --> 2:24:10.640 up a script, and I think that we're seeing that 2:24:10.720 --> 2:24:14.640 happen now in preparation for that convention in Milwaukee. As 2:24:14.680 --> 2:24:18.440 Joe Matthew is saying, the last time around, Donald Trump 2:24:18.600 --> 2:24:23.120 was foregoing the common procedure previously, which was not to 2:24:23.160 --> 2:24:24.879 appear until the last night of the convention. He wanted 2:24:24.879 --> 2:24:26.240 to be there every night. And so I think in 2:24:26.560 --> 2:24:29.320 the coming hours we're going to see when we'll see 2:24:29.320 --> 2:24:31.800 Donald Trump, Will it be daily at this convention? When 2:24:31.840 --> 2:24:34.320 is he going to unveil his vice presidential pick? And then, indeed, 2:24:34.879 --> 2:24:37.480 as you've been discussing in so much detail, what does 2:24:37.520 --> 2:24:40.280 he have to say in that speech to the nation, yes, 2:24:40.320 --> 2:24:43.360 to voters, to all of us about what's happened here 2:24:43.480 --> 2:24:46.959 and what it means for his predictive path forward. 2:24:47.200 --> 2:24:51.640 A story beneath the headlines today, Greg Courtier, how attacks 2:24:51.680 --> 2:24:56.199 on presidents and candidates have shaped US history. Will continue 2:24:56.200 --> 2:24:59.480 to see the shaping of this modern history, and you'll 2:24:59.480 --> 2:25:03.360 see that tonight at five pm. Joe Matthew and Kaylee 2:25:03.440 --> 2:25:07.320 Lane's leading our coverage from Milwaukee. Many more as there 2:25:07.400 --> 2:25:13.000 as well. Nancy Cook is there among others with Bloomberg News. 2:25:13.080 --> 2:25:16.200 Please stay with us through the day. 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