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Speaker 2: Three hours of conversation on what has become an American
Speaker 2: A shooting of a candidate for president, a shooting of
Speaker 2: a former president. President Trump was wounded. We all know
Speaker 2: that now, but we will look forward here in the
Speaker 2: next three hours with good conversation. In a moment, we'll
Speaker 2: go to our reporter in Pennsylvania who was in Butler
Speaker 2: this morning. I am joined by the gentleman I wanted
Speaker 2: to be with David Gerra joined us now, of course
Speaker 2: the big take, but much more than that is political
Speaker 2: coverage over the years of the NBC Network, with NPR
Speaker 2: and now back at Bloomberg. David, A difficult time for
Speaker 2: you and I to get together.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, this was a shocking moment yesterday, to say the least.
Speaker 3: This was to be the last rally that the former
Speaker 3: president gave before making his way to Milwaukee, where the
Speaker 3: Republican National Convention is scheduled to start on Monday, and
Speaker 3: there's a lot to take care between now and then.
Speaker 3: He was floating the naming of his vice presidential nominee
Speaker 3: on an indefinite day. Could have been today, could have
Speaker 3: been tomorrow. That still has to happen. So what was
Speaker 3: going to be a delegate and front circumstance Milwaukee has
Speaker 3: only become more so after what happened in Butler.
Speaker 2: And Milwaukee is front and center. That's really what we're
Speaker 2: going to focus on today is a path to Milwaukee
Speaker 2: to Chicago, and the adjusted path to November is well,
Speaker 2: We're going to do this this morning with pure conversation,
Speaker 2: and the newsflow overnight is the former president is resting well.
Speaker 2: If Donald Trump can ever rest somehow. I think he'll
Speaker 2: be up and about this morning, to.
Speaker 3: Say the least, yes, his campaign saying that we are
Speaker 3: going to see him as this convention unfolds. He's not
Speaker 3: going to be off the campaign trail, and just to
Speaker 3: get everyone up to speed on sort of where things stand.
Speaker 3: This took place yesterday around six fifteen in the evening.
Speaker 3: Then we heard from the current president from Joe Biden
Speaker 3: in both the print statement and comments that he delivered
Speaker 3: in Rehoboth Beach, where he was for the weekend. After
Speaker 3: he delivered those remarks, he made his way back to Washington.
Speaker 3: He has been briefed throughout this morning. He's scheduled to
Speaker 3: receive another briefing from both law enforcement and Homeland Security
Speaker 3: at the White House. So there is still a vacumin
Speaker 3: which we don't have a whole lot of information. This
Speaker 3: investigation is underway. But I look at this is happening
Speaker 3: in two parallel tracks. That the investigation what happened and
Speaker 3: how this could have been? This could have happened in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: The second being what are the ramifications of this? Yes,
Speaker 3: for this campaign, but for the country more broadly.
Speaker 2: Tom I was sitting and you know we're going to
Speaker 2: have a good three hour conversation folks, to inform you
Speaker 2: about the immediacy of Milwaukee tomorrow. I'll be honest, that
Speaker 2: was not all that much up to speed on it,
Speaker 2: as David Gurray is, and it's here. Milwaukee is tomorrow,
Speaker 2: regularly scheduled, but frankly forever changed and is before we
Speaker 2: go to Hadriana Loincrun our reporter now in Pittsburgh. David,
Speaker 2: I was sitting there when the news came across. John
Speaker 2: Farrell informed me of the news, actually, and the first
Speaker 2: thing I thought of was George Wallace in nineteen sevent
Speaker 2: to you, I don't know why I thought specifically of
Speaker 2: George Wallace, but I think to begin the conversation, when
Speaker 2: you combine terrible assassination with assassination attempt, it's far too
Speaker 2: many across America, back to eighteen eighty one, and frankly
Speaker 2: back before that, to Lincoln and beyond.
Speaker 3: George Wallace, the governor shot while campaigning outside of Washingt
Speaker 3: d C. Back in nineteen seventy two. But you're right,
Speaker 3: I think that something that adds to what's so startling
Speaker 3: about this moment is we haven't had attempts like these
Speaker 3: on candidates for president or sitting presidents in some time.
Speaker 3: Of course, this has been a very fraught time politically.
Speaker 3: There has been political violence, I think most recently of
Speaker 3: the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband.
Speaker 1: What happened, which.
Speaker 2: Speaker Pelosi spoke about yesterday was some.
Speaker 3: Emotion referenced in her comments yesterday as well. So there
Speaker 3: have been moments like that Steve Scalize, the Republican congressman
Speaker 3: attacked while preparing for a congressional baseball game in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: and of course Gabby Gifford's the congressman from Arizona. So
Speaker 3: we've had this, it has been boiling, but we haven't
Speaker 3: had these attacks on presidential candidate and presidents in sometime
Speaker 3: in some decades.
Speaker 2: As you said, Tom, let us begin our coverage. We're
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Speaker 2: as well. We get Lucky in that who was in Butler,
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania pulling the short straw covering a campaign event on
Speaker 2: a weekend, a hot, steamy weekend the summer was a
Speaker 2: former intern of Bloomberg Surveillance. I mean, you get lucky.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this lucky.
Speaker 2: When that happens. Joining us newly minted from the University
Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania and doing yeomen's duty for our White House
Speaker 2: correspondence team. Hadrianna Loewenkrenn joins us. Heydriana, both David and
Speaker 2: I don't want to go back and run the film
Speaker 2: and the incredible still pictures from yesterday, but the simple
Speaker 2: shock of the perimeter in Butler, Pennsylvania, with your experience
Speaker 2: being on the road with a former president, obviously that
Speaker 2: perimeter was too narrow, but was an a normal perimeter
Speaker 2: of protection yesterday for President Trump.
Speaker 4: Yes, thanks for having me on. I've covered many a
Speaker 4: rally in this past election cycle. Some have been indoors,
Speaker 4: some have been outdoors. There's the same layer of the
Speaker 4: Secret Service. There's the security, you know, conveyor belt, and
Speaker 4: you walk through and their officer is left and right,
Speaker 4: and everything felt as per usual. People were milling around,
Speaker 4: they were eating, they were dancing to the music. Everything
Speaker 4: felt normal until you.
Speaker 3: Know it wasn't hey, Jonna, how much of what the
Speaker 3: president was talking about in that field? And Butler was
Speaker 3: stock and trade what he said in these rallies. But
Speaker 3: for something that Tom mentioned a moment ago, as we
Speaker 3: were now on the prespice of this political convention. Over
Speaker 3: the course of the weekend, my inbox was filled with
Speaker 3: announcements from the Trump campaign of who's going to be
Speaker 3: speaking at that event in Milwaukee. Really pushing ahead to
Speaker 3: the programming that's going to take place. There was this
Speaker 3: a routine rally in that sense. How forward looking was
Speaker 3: the former president when he.
Speaker 1: Was speaking there.
Speaker 4: This did definitely appear to be you know, normal office
Speaker 4: is considered. It's you know, it's quite an event. But
Speaker 4: you know, for us, actually us as reporters and you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of political junkie is paying attention to this.
Speaker 4: The where a lot of the entry came was actually
Speaker 4: in the lead up to the event. As we had
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier, we're still waiting for a VP pick. Some
Speaker 4: thought that it was going to be announced earlier this
Speaker 4: week at a rally in Miami. You know, Florida Senator
Speaker 4: Marco Rubio was there, He was addressed several times, and
Speaker 4: then there was no announcement here, and the lead up
Speaker 4: we're trying to figure out which people will be there
Speaker 4: Ohio JD Vans from Ohio nearby, so everyone was trying
Speaker 4: to figure that out.
Speaker 5: At first.
Speaker 4: It's only happened a few minutes in. We're still looking around,
Speaker 4: will there be any surprise guests? And when we all
Speaker 4: kind of think, okay, well that hasn't happened yet, let's
Speaker 4: focus on the content of the speech, which also seems
Speaker 4: to be at that moment fairly similar, then this happened
Speaker 4: and it was just shocking, really.
Speaker 3: Heydrianna, I know that the Biden campaign has changed its
Speaker 3: tack as a result of this. They've been pulling ads
Speaker 3: off the airwaves around the country, scaling back the outreach
Speaker 3: that they're doing in the coming days. I'm very curious
Speaker 3: both how this shapes or reshapes the Trump campaign's path
Speaker 3: forward going into Milwaukee, and how you think it might
Speaker 3: reshape that event. Itself safe to say this is something
Speaker 3: that's going to come up multiple times over the course
Speaker 3: of this week, but any insight that you have into
Speaker 3: sort of how this is reshaping or reframing the Trump campaign.
Speaker 4: Right, so, as we know, they have put out a
Speaker 4: statement we're kind of going to push forward as scheduled,
Speaker 4: you know Trump. It's important to note Trump was supposed
Speaker 4: to have his sentencing in the New York Child that
Speaker 4: I was actually in New York for covering in person,
Speaker 4: So my head was at first on that and looking
Speaker 4: at how so much has changed for him, you know,
Speaker 4: obviously the sentencing, the indictments, all of that has helped
Speaker 4: him rally his base, bring in front you know, money
Speaker 4: and you know, something like this could equally, if not enhance,
Speaker 4: you know, charging you know, and really rallying his base there.
Speaker 4: So we could see a lot of conversation about that
Speaker 4: in terms of what he speaks about Thursday night. There's also,
Speaker 4: of course more you know, intrigue now, and it underscores
Speaker 4: the importance of whoever his VP pick will be a
Speaker 4: same as we know with the Democratic Party, where people
Speaker 4: are you know, calling on Biden to step aside. So
Speaker 4: I think that really will will be a lot of
Speaker 4: the conversation.
Speaker 2: Hey, Dreon, one of the advantages here, and David is
Speaker 2: so ancient he actually remembers this where a convention was
Speaker 2: a four day television extravagant from if they were polite
Speaker 2: ten in the morning, but even eight in the morning
Speaker 2: till two am, depending on when the cigars lit out.
Speaker 2: You don't know, that is the ute of America. What
Speaker 2: Milwaukee will we see? It's a modern convention, sterilized. But
Speaker 2: will it be covered differently now with this assassination attempt?
Speaker 4: You know, that's a great question. And we've already on
Speaker 4: our end been receiving you know, briefings as to what
Speaker 4: can and cannot you know, be posted on social media
Speaker 4: with credentials, and what to do should protests occur, which,
Speaker 4: as we all know already was likely before this happening.
Speaker 4: So definitely we all have to, you know, stand our
Speaker 4: guard and be very communicative. And you know, as for
Speaker 4: the hours, you know, Trump is, as you had mentioned
Speaker 4: at the top of the show, he has a lot
Speaker 4: of energy. There's a lot of programming planned. We have
Speaker 4: the speaker list out already, and so I'm assuming they're
Speaker 4: going to want to kind of go ahead and put
Speaker 4: more business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and David, jump in here and through the three hours, folks,
Speaker 2: we're going to make this a very I hope informed,
Speaker 2: but informal conversation. David, I'm sorry. Yesterday at six point
Speaker 2: thirty pm, convention protocol changed. There's no end of forbuds
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: You know, I was participating in the coverage that we
Speaker 3: were doing immediately after this on Bloomberg Radio. Jody Schneider,
Speaker 3: who heads up a lot of our political coverage on
Speaker 3: TV and radio, is already in Milwaukee, and she was saying,
Speaker 3: how you know, going into this event, there was, as
Speaker 3: you'd expect, very strict security surrounding the center of Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: And CDs reports this morning they're extending the perimeter.
Speaker 3: Perimeter is going to get wider. Security is going to
Speaker 3: get more stringent as well. I just go back to
Speaker 3: what I said a moment ago, which is there was
Speaker 3: already such an inherent fragility both to this convention, right
Speaker 3: and the Democratic National Convention. This is only going to
Speaker 3: make that even more fragile.
Speaker 2: Tom Okay, Heydrianna, Heydriana, do you travel directly to Milwaukee
Speaker 2: from Pittsburgh? Is that your itinerary?
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm headed out to thet shortly.
Speaker 2: Okay, safe travels. He Adrianna Low and crun there yesterday
Speaker 2: her direct coverage of this assassination attempt, and of course,
Speaker 2: as Sunday beckons here across the nation, it is arresting
Speaker 2: former president. Of course, we haven't mentioned yet President Biden
Speaker 2: with his comments yesterday, and you have to believe, David
Speaker 2: that President Biden will have to finesse the message further
Speaker 2: here this morning.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so.
Speaker 3: As I mentioned at the top, he gave this written
Speaker 3: statement immediately after this he was attending mass and Rehoboth
Speaker 3: Beach shortly after that, had his first briefing from law enforcement,
Speaker 3: delivered this print statement, and then traveled to the Emergency
Speaker 3: Response building in Rehoboth where he gave those comments. And
Speaker 3: I'll read briefly from what he had to say. Everybody
Speaker 3: must condemn it. Everybody and effectively said there's no place
Speaker 3: for this in America. And I will say, as I've
Speaker 3: sort of charted the responses that we've gotten from members
Speaker 3: of Congress, members of the House and Senate here in
Speaker 3: the United States, dates and world leaders as well, that
Speaker 3: is the overarching message that is ringing out here, Tom
Speaker 3: that this is something that is antithetical to American democracy
Speaker 3: and has to be called out, and indeed most most
Speaker 3: politicians have been doing that.
Speaker 2: We welcome all of you across the nation in worldwide.
Speaker 2: A special edition of Bloomberg Surveynah's David Gura and Tom
Speaker 2: Keen and our studios in New York. Adrianna Lowenkrinn in
Speaker 2: Butler yesterday joining us moments ago. Jordan Fabian will join
Speaker 2: us from the White House here across these three hours
Speaker 2: this morning. A program note, and this is a credible
Speaker 2: commitment of Bloomberg Radio. I think I can say this
Speaker 2: in all the years. It will be a Sunday set
Speaker 2: of talk shows as we've never heard on Bloomberg Radio
Speaker 2: at eleven am this morning, NBCs, Meet the Press at
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Speaker 2: the Nation. So you will see from eight to eleven
Speaker 2: this morning with David Gura, and then from eleven until
Speaker 2: three pm we will give you the talk shows. Is
Speaker 2: all of America confronts this assassination at tent We've got
Speaker 2: many more good voices coming up, but certainly someone who's
Speaker 2: been an immense support and remarkably prescient about the dynamics
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump's Republican Party, Terry Haynes, is kind enough
Speaker 2: to join us in this eight o'clock hour with Pangaea policy. Terry,
Speaker 2: your great theme has been a loyal Trump following and
Speaker 2: the GOP from a distance deciding what to do with
Speaker 2: mister Trump a second time around. How did that change yesterday?
Speaker 6: I don't think it changed very much. Tom, and good
Speaker 6: morning to you and David. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 6: I don't think it changed very much. You've got a
Speaker 6: situation here where the you know, the race has been
Speaker 6: remarkably stable, as everybody knows. But you know, look at
Speaker 6: what happened in the last month where you have, you know,
Speaker 6: with all this caterwauling about Biden with from Democrats and
Speaker 6: everything else, and yet the national two way beauty contest
Speaker 6: poll of polls barely moves from Trump plus one to
Speaker 6: Trump plus three. These are registered voter polls in which
Speaker 6: the margin of error is at least three. You know,
Speaker 6: there's an erroneous assumption here, which is that somehow Biden
Speaker 6: voters are going to move to Trump. Biden voters would
Speaker 6: move to pretty much any other Republican with some frequency,
Speaker 6: but they've shown a lot that they're not going to
Speaker 6: move to Trump. I frankly don't expect that to change.
Speaker 6: So I think the race will end up being a
Speaker 6: lot more stable than most folks think, and certainly more
Speaker 6: than prediction markets think.
Speaker 3: Terry, let me put a question to you that I
Speaker 3: put to Hadrian a moment ago, just in a different way,
Speaker 3: and that is, how do you see the Trump campaign
Speaker 3: reflecting on what's happening here? Of course people are still
Speaker 3: processing the events that took place yesterday in Butler, But
Speaker 3: do you see it as changing in any fundamental way
Speaker 3: or reshaping the message from from the Trump campaign?
Speaker 6: Well, I don't see the I don't see the message
Speaker 6: and the policies changing, David, what I what I do.
Speaker 6: My instinct is this is that the you will see
Speaker 6: a continuation of the more presidential Trump that you saw
Speaker 6: in the first debate, in terms of how that's presented,
Speaker 6: how he presents himself. Uh you know the I think
Speaker 6: the convention goers and most people around them will be
Speaker 6: more keyed up, and there'll be a little more frenzy
Speaker 6: around this than there otherwise would have been, and the
Speaker 6: and the temperature already was going to be pretty high.
Speaker 6: Trump doesn't get anything out of stoking that. He gets
Speaker 6: a great deal more out of it than by by
Speaker 6: continuing that that more presidential look. I mean they were
Speaker 6: already going into this thinking, you know, Biden and the
Speaker 6: Democrats are thrashing. We profit by being more presidential looking
Speaker 6: and more in control and all the rest. I think
Speaker 6: Trump doubles down on that, certainly. I think you'd be
Speaker 6: smart to looking.
Speaker 3: At our top live blog on the Bloomberg and on
Speaker 3: Bloomberg dot Com, an incredible comprehensive look at what's been
Speaker 3: happening here with contributions from our colleagues all over the world.
Speaker 3: The latest here a post on truth Social from Donald
Speaker 3: Trump indicating he does plan to speak at the convention
Speaker 3: in Milwaukee. Perhaps no surprise, but the comment from the
Speaker 3: former president is I truly love our country and love
Speaker 3: you all, and look forward to speaking to our great
Speaker 3: nation this week from Wisconsin, Terry, picking up on what
Speaker 3: you said just a moment ago about I won't say
Speaker 3: this new presidential Donald Trump, but somebody who is approaching
Speaker 3: this with a discipline and seriousness that might strike some
Speaker 3: as novel, and is certainly outlined in this incredible piece
Speaker 3: by Tim Alberta in the Atlantic describing the campaign apparatus
Speaker 3: that is built up around him. That is I think
Speaker 3: it's safe to say much more professional and discipline than
Speaker 3: it was in twenty and twenty sixteen. What does he
Speaker 3: have to say in your estimation in that beach at
Speaker 3: the RNC.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, fundamentally, he has to show that he's
Speaker 6: ready to lead and that he's responsible.
Speaker 5: You know, the.
Speaker 6: Less rabble rousing, the better. I mean, as I think,
Speaker 6: I think, as you've just pointed out very well, the
Speaker 6: rabble rousing, incendiary reputation precedes him and to some extent
Speaker 6: exceeds him. I think he's got to show himself a
Speaker 6: little bit more presidential and kind of able to lead,
Speaker 6: you know, more serious. You know, you don't hide your
Speaker 6: leg under a bushel, but be a little bit more
Speaker 6: serious about what you're going to do, how you're going
Speaker 6: to do it, precisely, how you're going to drive things forward.
Speaker 6: There is a lot of there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 6: that swirls around Trump that other that that get used
Speaker 6: by the opposition to his detriment. He needs extend some
Speaker 6: time to spelling that.
Speaker 3: We're lucky to have Jordan Fabian with us now he's
Speaker 3: a White House correspondent for Bloomberg News. As we look
Speaker 3: ahead to that next briefing at ten thirty this morning, Jordan, get.
Speaker 1: Us up to speed.
Speaker 3: We've heard from the President now twice, once in print,
Speaker 3: another time in person. Do we expect to hear from
Speaker 3: him again today on this Sunday.
Speaker 7: At the moment, there's nothing expected, But I wouldn't be
Speaker 7: surprised at a moment like this as the President came
Speaker 7: out to speak after he has that briefing you just mentioned,
Speaker 7: and we gather more information about what happened, the suspect
Speaker 7: and just the overall fought political moment we're in this country.
Speaker 7: You have leaders across the spectrum calling for civility to
Speaker 7: turn down the temperature. Wouldn't be surprised if the President
Speaker 7: had something to say about that, either today or on
Speaker 7: the coming days.
Speaker 3: There was an admission at the end of that statement
Speaker 3: that the President delivered in Rohobop. She was asked, was
Speaker 3: this an assassination attempt? And he said he had an opinion,
Speaker 3: but he didn't have the facts. Walk us through how
Speaker 3: he is getting these facts. He has been surrounded by
Speaker 3: some of his closest advisor. Steve Chetty has been there,
Speaker 3: his Homeland Security advisor, Secretary of Homeland Security, Head of
Speaker 3: the Secret Service agency who is giving him information, and
Speaker 3: just describe how wide the vacuument is at this point
Speaker 3: in time as we look at this investigation, that's just
Speaker 3: you know, in its first few hours here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. He's been briefed by his team of advisors,
Speaker 7: and as you mentioned, one of them is Live Show
Speaker 7: with Daniels. Homeland Security advisor was also Alejandro Maiorchis, who
Speaker 7: runs the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees Secret Service
Speaker 7: and the several others. And what they're doing is they're
Speaker 7: gathering information from the frontline law enforcement agencies who are
Speaker 7: working on this, so Secret Service and FBI and the
Speaker 7: Justice Department, and filtering that up to the president. And
Speaker 7: as you heard last night, the FBI at the time
Speaker 7: that they delivered that press conference at eleven forty five pm,
Speaker 7: they said they had identify the suspect, they didn't name them,
Speaker 7: and they also didn't know about the motive. So you
Speaker 7: know this, the president only knows as much as the
Speaker 7: law enforcem pages. So that's while.
Speaker 2: You're okay, you guys are the pros here, David Gerr
Speaker 2: and Jordan Fabian here, I get that there's going to
Speaker 2: be a seven year investigation and this and that, and
Speaker 2: you know, I was, actually, folks, I don't have the
Speaker 2: number yet of the distance from the shooter to mister Trump,
Speaker 2: but I was going to stand at the corner of
Speaker 2: Fifth Avenue in Central Park and see how far past
Speaker 2: the Apple store in past Bergdorf Goodman was at distance?
Speaker 2: And David, the answer is clearly that perimeter failed. What's
Speaker 2: the perimeter look like, Jordan Fabian in Milwaukee and in
Speaker 2: Chicago for the president? Is the perimeter in Chicago up
Speaker 2: to Wisconsin?
Speaker 7: No, it's a great question, Tom, And there's clear questions
Speaker 7: about how the Secret Service, who prepares these sites apparently
Speaker 7: missed this.
Speaker 8: Okay, but I get it that they missed it, and
Speaker 8: there's going to be a six year warrant commission on that.
Speaker 8: That deserves to be what happens in Milwaukee and Chicago, David,
Speaker 8: I mean, they have to be in a full scale panic.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if it's a panic so
Speaker 3: much as just a complete reworking and reevaluation of what's
Speaker 3: happened here. And you know, your to your comment Tom
Speaker 3: about the proximity of where this shooter was, We're talking
Speaker 3: hundreds of yards and from all that we've seen a
Speaker 3: footage shot by those in the audience at this rally, uh,
Speaker 3: sort of interviews with standers by and those who were
Speaker 3: at the event afterward. This was incredibly closed. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think, Jordan, you can give us some insight into this.
Speaker 3: I know that in the immediate aftermath of this, there
Speaker 3: were lawmakers who suggested that there should be you know,
Speaker 3: a greater social security deep sorry, social scurity secret service
Speaker 3: detail tagged to the to the president elect. Can you
Speaker 3: just describe sort of the disparities so much as there
Speaker 3: is one between the two of them, I mean safe
Speaker 3: to say the former president here is traveling with an
Speaker 3: awful lot of law enforcement.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so former presidents usually have a smaller social security.
Speaker 1: You and I both I tripped you up. I apologize, Yes,
Speaker 1: Oh good, hell.
Speaker 7: You know the former president, though, I mean, he had
Speaker 7: a bigger one, given that, unlike other former presidents, he
Speaker 7: was traveling around the country doing political events, and now,
Speaker 7: of course is a nominee, so he did receive some
Speaker 7: more secret Service coverage recently, although there are lawmakers who
Speaker 7: want satisfied with that. But to Tom's question, there was
Speaker 7: some complaints about for Republican organizers in Milwaukee about this
Speaker 7: promenade that apparently exists near the main street near the
Speaker 7: convention site. You know, the Secret Service and the organizers
Speaker 7: said they work something out, but you have to imagine
Speaker 7: they're going to be re examining every single planning detail
Speaker 7: in the company weeks here, especially for Democrats and then
Speaker 7: Dave for Republicans.
Speaker 2: Jordan Fabian, thank you so much for starting early on
Speaker 2: a Sunday with us, no doubt, an exhausting day, a
Speaker 2: full day at the White House. Jordan Fabian, our White
Speaker 2: House corresponded, And again we say thank you to Hedron
Speaker 2: Alan Krinn in Pennsylvania, in Pittsburgh, south of Block for
Speaker 2: her coverage here early this morning.
Speaker 3: And just when a flag times. She's written a wonderful
Speaker 3: and very evocative piece about being at that rally. As
Speaker 3: you said, we're not dwelling on what happened there and
Speaker 3: what we see in the video and the sound of
Speaker 3: that shooting, but she has written a first person piece
Speaker 3: about being in the audience for that and what happened
Speaker 3: in the aftermath. You can find that at Bloomberg dot
Speaker 3: com and on the terminal.
Speaker 2: We are fortunate to continue with Terry Haynes a Pangaea policy.
Speaker 2: He has given us perspective over many months. Acourter even
Speaker 2: the best thing about Terry David as he sends donuts. Yeah,
Speaker 2: once in a while, it's the only reason we have him.
Speaker 2: Back on Terry, we need to get of an assassination attempt,
Speaker 2: back to some form of Caden's humor, the human comedy
Speaker 2: of America. How are we going to get back there? Terry?
Speaker 2: We did it after JFK. I would like to think
Speaker 2: they did it after James Garfield in eighteen eighty one.
Speaker 2: But in this modern media frenzy, I don't get it.
Speaker 2: How do we get back to norm.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm not sure things are. It'll take a long time.
Speaker 6: You know, it took the echoes of President Kennedy's assassination
Speaker 6: potted lots and lots of people for years and and
Speaker 6: you know, even in the seventies there was a congressional
Speaker 6: investigation into the bullet theories and all the rest. I mean,
Speaker 6: it never truly went away for a decade plus, and
Speaker 6: the reverberations are going to continue, and frankly, I think
Speaker 6: made worse but made more constant by the twenty four
Speaker 6: to seven news cycle. In the videos that we that
Speaker 6: we now get constantly, but you know how it's done. Frankly,
Speaker 6: I think is a hard lift which is started by
Speaker 6: politicians of all stripes demonstrating a little more humility and
Speaker 6: a little more sense of purpose.
Speaker 3: Terry, I want to ask you about Official Washington's response
Speaker 3: to this, and I think that probably you, like I,
Speaker 3: have been looking at tweets and posts and reactions to
Speaker 3: all of this, and one stood out to me in particular,
Speaker 3: and that's from the junior Senator from Ohio, from JD Vance,
Speaker 3: who not long after this tweeted out.
Speaker 1: Today.
Speaker 3: Is not some isolated incident. The central premise of the
Speaker 3: Biden campaign is that Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist.
Speaker 3: That rhetoric led directly to the assassination attempt of Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: An outlier comment, but there are others in that outlier camp.
Speaker 3: Again with the Junior Senator, and I note that we
Speaker 3: heard from House Speaker Mike Johnson that the House will
Speaker 3: conduct a full investigation of the tragic events today. You
Speaker 3: bring up what happened with John F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy.
Speaker 3: There was a period of time after that when the
Speaker 3: business of the country was figuring out what happened here
Speaker 3: and how it was going to carry on. Here you
Speaker 3: have some politicians already pushing ahead to what I can
Speaker 3: only assume will be rather circused, like hearings investigating this.
Speaker 3: I mean that hearing the House Committee on Oversting account
Speaker 3: Billy hearing scheduled on July the twenty second.
Speaker 1: What do you make of that?
Speaker 3: And as we talk, as Tom springs up through, how
Speaker 3: we process this and move away and move ahead from it?
Speaker 3: How do you do it when you have these kind
Speaker 3: of countervailing factors at play, Well, it makes.
Speaker 6: It tougher, you know, there and then there's there. There
Speaker 6: is a there's such a reflex built into so many
Speaker 6: politicians of all stripes I should say. I mean, I
Speaker 6: you know, I find Senator Vance's comments over the top.
Speaker 6: But but then again, uh, you know, some of the
Speaker 6: things you say it says are demonstrable. I mean they're true,
Speaker 6: and you know the same of the other side. And
Speaker 6: I'm not engaging in what about it is You're to
Speaker 6: to point out that both sides are way over their skis.
Speaker 6: Which is why I get to humility. You know, I
Speaker 6: was asked on your air the day after January sixth,
Speaker 6: what I thought should happen and I said what I
Speaker 6: just said this morning. Politicians need to demonstrate more humility there,
Speaker 6: and there's plenty of them out there that reflexively aren't
Speaker 6: doing it today. These people need to be a lot
Speaker 6: more humble and frankly, I think a lot more sober,
Speaker 6: and and that will help us get past this moment.
Speaker 2: During the time left, I want to talk about the
Speaker 2: president's constituency, the people President Trump's constituency, the people that
Speaker 2: were there yesterday. And I think that we all understand
Speaker 2: President Biden has an encyclopedic knowledge of eastern Pennsylvania, the
Speaker 2: path here and you and I talked I think forty
Speaker 2: eight hours ago. It seems about the seventeenth Congressional District,
Speaker 2: Connor Lamb's district, and how President Biden has lost those people.
Speaker 2: Those people were in that audience yesterday. Give us your
Speaker 2: political picture of western Pennsylvania from Bethel Park south of Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: up to Pittsburgh where Adrianna Loewencren came in moments ago,
Speaker 2: and then up north on the New York border to Butler.
Speaker 2: Who were the audience yesterday.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a everybody remembers the old James Carvel comment
Speaker 6: about you know there being the sort of four dots
Speaker 6: of blue and Pennsylvania surrounded by Alabama, Western Pennsylvania. What
Speaker 6: Western Pennsylvania is politically today is a donut. The doughnut
Speaker 6: is a little sea of blue. And then that that
Speaker 6: city is the city of Pittsburgh in a few immediate
Speaker 6: suburbs surrounded by an absolute sea of red. And these
Speaker 6: people are are Historican. I'm from there, which you know
Speaker 6: doesn't give me any more Jews here, but it's but
Speaker 6: I spent time there all my life, and what those
Speaker 6: people are are historic.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: John Kennedy, Franklin Roosevelt, Scoop Jackson, Democrats who was spent
Speaker 6: the last two generations, be perfectly disappointed.
Speaker 2: I'm going to you're fired up. We're gonna stay on
Speaker 2: this theme. David Gerra, he just hit my childhood from
Speaker 2: where you said, David Gerr, with all you've done in Washington,
Speaker 2: how did the Democrats lose? Butler, Pa, That's the heart
Speaker 2: of this election.
Speaker 3: I'm going to appine here, and Terry, you should feel
Speaker 3: free to jump in and set me straight if I
Speaker 3: if I get this wrong. But I think that you
Speaker 3: had a large swath of this population that grew disillusioned
Speaker 3: with how they were being looked at and taken care
Speaker 3: of by those in power in Washington. I just think
Speaker 3: about the current crucible that we're in here as we
Speaker 3: as we look at the state of the steel industry,
Speaker 3: in particular in Pennsylvania, what happened when a Japanese company
Speaker 3: made an overture to take over US steel, a response
Speaker 3: to that, and how this is for all that Terry
Speaker 3: describes a very contested area in this country. I mean,
Speaker 3: you have Joe Biden, also a son of Pennsylvania, vowed
Speaker 3: son of Pennsylvania, trying to appeal to voters in this area,
Speaker 3: trying to reclaim them, trying to say that he's one
Speaker 3: of them as well. That's my sense of it. Terry,
Speaker 3: Am I right there? When do you see that transition
Speaker 3: is happening when you when you saw that movement away
Speaker 3: from being straight and unquestionable Democrats to to turning purple
Speaker 3: and then I think more welcoming of the Republican Party.
Speaker 1: In Western Pa.
Speaker 6: Yeah, David, I think you're I think you're I think
Speaker 6: you're right about that. I think also you've got two
Speaker 6: things going on. One, people are hugely disappointed and I
Speaker 6: think feel marginalized by how very little was done to
Speaker 6: try to reach out to them. You know, the Democratic
Speaker 6: outreach tends to be in that area, tends to be
Speaker 6: over the last thirty years or so, tends to be
Speaker 6: you know, banging on kind of the greatest hits of
Speaker 6: past industry combined with marginalizing, marginalized programs for marginalized people. Well,
Speaker 6: we'll work or retrain you, we'll do this, we'll do that,
Speaker 6: we'll do the other thing. And that's number one. Number two,
Speaker 6: there's a real concern being the old style of patriots
Speaker 6: as many of these folks are, that Democratic parties losing
Speaker 6: them by frankly talking about, you know, other groups at
Speaker 6: the expense of kind of dealing with the bedrock problems
Speaker 6: of the country. And then you also get a sense that,
Speaker 6: you know that Biden administration Democrats generally are attacking the
Speaker 6: economic engine that exists in that region now, which is energy,
Speaker 6: which is fracking and the like. And you know, and
Speaker 6: they take very personally the idea that the new economic
Speaker 6: engine is something that's under attack by Democrats. I think
Speaker 6: a lot of that combines to flip them. You have
Speaker 6: only to look south to west Virginia does see how
Speaker 6: quickly that sort of went and goes.
Speaker 3: Terry, I'd love to ask you lastly here just to
Speaker 3: comment on the historical resonance of this and maybe help
Speaker 3: us think through how this reshapes American politics broadly. When
Speaker 3: I was living in Washington, when i'd go up Connecticut Avenue,
Speaker 3: I'd look over at the Hilton there think about what
Speaker 3: happened in nineteen eighty one. It still seemed very resonant.
Speaker 3: It was a place on the map because of that,
Speaker 3: like other landmarks in Washington or I'm curious if you
Speaker 3: feel the same way and how you see what happened
Speaker 3: yesterday in Pennsylvania reshaping American attitudes toward politics. We know
Speaker 3: that Donald Trump welcomes big crowds. I was thinking, and
Speaker 3: Amy Morris, our colleague, was leading our coverage yesterday, and
Speaker 3: asked me a very good question about this, going back
Speaker 3: to January sixth, when he was kind of welcoming of all,
Speaker 3: dismissive of the fact that there needed to be metal
Speaker 3: detectors for the rally that he had on the National Mall,
Speaker 3: then playing a little fast and loose with security there,
Speaker 3: but again really welcoming large crowds, enthusiasm for politics, his
Speaker 3: brand of politics, how does this reshape that at all?
Speaker 3: And how do you process how do you think that
Speaker 3: this will resonate going forward?
Speaker 6: You know, I'm with you on the history. You know,
Speaker 6: I'm like the kid in the sixth sense, where you know,
Speaker 6: I see dead people all the time. I live in Alexandria, Virginia,
Speaker 6: which used to brand itself the most historic town in
Speaker 6: the United States, home of George Washington, Robert Lee, others.
Speaker 6: And you know, I see it everywhere. I saw you
Speaker 6: have the same residence as that you do. You know
Speaker 6: what I get in Washington today, though, is a is
Speaker 6: a sense where you know, the politics are are kind
Speaker 6: of curdled into team Red, Team blue, you know, reflexively
Speaker 6: branded stuff, pursued and purvayed mostly by people who are
Speaker 6: who are invested in that, and in very little, very
Speaker 6: little of thinking outside the box and thinking of the
Speaker 6: national interest, in thinking about how to have to move forward.
Speaker 6: And I think this probably for the country at large,
Speaker 6: I think that probably only disasser base that perception.
Speaker 2: Terry, thank you for your generous time this Sunday morning.
Speaker 2: Terry Haynes appenzea folks writing exceptionally bright notes. You can
Speaker 2: see them out on linked in I really can't say
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Speaker 2: David and I have decided we're really not going to
Speaker 2: go back and relive what we all were riveted by
Speaker 2: for five hours last night. We're going to look forward.
Speaker 2: And in Milwaukee is the person piece. There's people, folks
Speaker 2: that piece together twenty and forty people and keep it going.
Speaker 2: The queen of all nighters for Bloomberg News is Tyler
Speaker 2: Kendall in Milwaukee right now leading our convention technical structure.
Speaker 2: And there's a small sentence at eleven PM last night
Speaker 2: that I missed this evening President Biden spoke to former
Speaker 2: President Trump. David that slipped through the late night that
Speaker 2: the two gentlemen spoke.
Speaker 3: And it bears us thinking about these are two politicians
Speaker 3: who have a great deal of enmity toward each other
Speaker 3: on the campaign trail, and there was something extraordinary about that.
Speaker 3: Extraordinary in the sense that it hasn't happened before. Joe
Speaker 3: hasn't called Donald, and they haven't spoken by phone before.
Speaker 3: So this is a remarkable moment that took place, and
Speaker 3: you could see the gravity of it. As Joe Biden
Speaker 3: spoke in Delaware saying he tried to reach him. Donald
Speaker 3: Trump was with his doctors. Then he was unable to.
Speaker 3: But several times during that very brief statement in Delaware,
Speaker 3: present by An emphasized that he wanted to get him
Speaker 3: on the phone, hope to get him on the phone.
Speaker 3: And as you say, Tom, we got that readout saying
Speaker 3: that the two of them had spoken. No more detail
Speaker 3: besides that, but it's significant enough that the two of
Speaker 3: them spoke.
Speaker 2: David Gurra and Tom Keen a special edition of Bloomberg
Speaker 2: Surveillance from our world headquarters in New York. Good conversation
Speaker 2: to come as we move forward. Professor Schuller Brown University
Speaker 2: on the scope in the reach of our history of assassination,
Speaker 2: an assassination attempt. We do that. Next, we'rend Bloomberg Radio
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Speaker 2: Good morning everyone, Tom Keane with my special guest David
Speaker 2: ger Of course the big take out on Bloomberg Podcast,
Speaker 2: but so much more. David Gerry here today on this
Speaker 2: horrific Sunday morning after an assassination attempt, with this wonderful
Speaker 2: political coverage. All he's done for NBC and NPR, and
Speaker 2: we're thrilled to have them back with Bloomberg as well. David,
Speaker 2: you're always way more prepared than I am. What is
Speaker 2: your insight of what needs to be done by the
Speaker 2: Trump administration in the next twenty four hours.
Speaker 3: I'll pick up on what Terry said, and I was
Speaker 3: struck by the renaissance of his comments, residents of his comments,
Speaker 3: and he brought up the fact that what he said
Speaker 3: today is right in line with what he said after
Speaker 3: January sixth, and so he's calling for the rhetoric to
Speaker 3: be calmer and politicians to take a step back, wait
Speaker 3: a while to comment beyond just expressing their thanks to
Speaker 3: law enforcement and good wishes to the former president. But
Speaker 3: I think we have seen in recent weeks, as we
Speaker 3: were discussing with Terry, a very disciplined Trump campaign. He
Speaker 3: hasn't been out there fulminating on the campaign trail. He's
Speaker 3: been content to let Democrats battle it out over their
Speaker 3: prospects and what's going to happen in Chicago. I expect
Speaker 3: that we will have this reframed for us in that
Speaker 3: marquee speech in Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: And this is thursdents Thursday night.
Speaker 2: But they got to get from Tuesday. They got to
Speaker 2: get Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and they've got the usual victims
Speaker 2: lined up the speech. Is anyone listening to those speeches anymore?
Speaker 2: I mean, Wendy Schiller remembers David Girl when we hung
Speaker 2: on every single word within the pageantry from where you sait, David,
Speaker 2: the pageantry's gone.
Speaker 3: Right happened yesterday. There was a strong effort by the
Speaker 3: former president to make this must CTV. For lack of
Speaker 3: a better term, he hasn't named his vice presidential pick.
Speaker 3: And I think that that is the thing that most
Speaker 3: of America would have and will seize on now, is
Speaker 3: who that individual is going to be and what he
Speaker 3: or she has to say on the stage in Milwaukee, and.
Speaker 2: This Sunday morning across America, on Bloomberg, on many of
Speaker 2: her other services as well, David Gerr and Tom Keene's
Speaker 2: special edition of Bloomberg Surveillance, which means we need a
Speaker 2: special guest. She is at Brown University. Wendy Schiller joins
Speaker 2: us a definitive book on American civics, a sense of
Speaker 2: history that folds into the present day, in our future,
Speaker 2: Professor Schiller, good morning. When I first heard this news,
Speaker 2: John Farroh actually called me to tell me of the news,
Speaker 2: and I thought of George Wallace in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 2: We can take our violence of assassination, an assassination attempt,
Speaker 2: back to Garfield, to Lincoln and frankly beyond, Professor Schiller,
Speaker 2: why is America so violent in its politics?
Speaker 10: Well, you know, I thought about that too. I thought about,
Speaker 10: of course Juanna Lagan as well. And I was grateful
Speaker 10: to see from President Trump emerged relatively okay, but he
Speaker 10: was in fact shot in the ear. And then the
Speaker 10: said of having attendees killed and injured is you know,
Speaker 10: really just brings us back exactly to these traumatic moments
Speaker 10: in American political life where we say, how could that happen?
Speaker 10: And yet it happens very frequently in America, even relative
Speaker 10: to any other country, at least in the twentieth century
Speaker 10: and certainly the twenty first century. And we have a culture.
Speaker 10: You can argue, it's a gun culture, and that guns
Speaker 10: are too easy to get. There's this sort of AR
Speaker 10: fifteen argument that's going around. However, as we all know,
Speaker 10: those prior acts of violence were not committed with AR fifteens,
Speaker 10: so they've still happened anyway, and we have to ask
Speaker 10: ourselves that we have this weird juxtaposition between peaceful transitions
Speaker 10: of power, which we have had with January sixth, with
Speaker 10: some exception, but that's still happened relatively peacefully after that,
Speaker 10: and the rest of the world, which has not had
Speaker 10: that history a peaceful transition of power. So it's this
Speaker 10: really stark difference between our culture and the violence we
Speaker 10: see everyday, gun violence but also local violence, and then
Speaker 10: our system, which compared to us, the world, you know,
Speaker 10: remains very peaceful.
Speaker 1: And orderly, doctor Schuler.
Speaker 3: I was in a diner in Brooklyn last night when
Speaker 3: this happened and looked up at the screen and saw
Speaker 3: those fifteen seconds being.
Speaker 1: Replayed over and over again.
Speaker 3: And I've got three kids eleven and younger watching it
Speaker 3: with me, and fielded a lot of difficult questions as
Speaker 3: a result of that. What happened, How did this happen?
Speaker 3: What does it mean? Is this politics? You teach the
Speaker 3: American presidency other classes to brown undergrads older than my kids,
Speaker 3: but I imagine they have similar questions. They haven't lived
Speaker 3: through this, They don't have a memory of nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 3: What do you say to younger people in this country
Speaker 3: about the state of politics today. What's something like what
Speaker 3: happened yesterday means for the shape of American politics today?
Speaker 10: Well, I mean our obviously you know this too. Our
Speaker 10: political rhetoric has in fact declined. We have had periods
Speaker 10: of time when in the press people said horrible thing
Speaker 10: about politicians, going back to John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker 10: It's not that that is new. It's that it's not
Speaker 10: just politicians, it's people and everyday voters, people sort of
Speaker 10: not having family conversations, you know, not associating with people
Speaker 10: because of their political affiliation. Called that negative partisanship. It's
Speaker 10: hatred that's now been really cultivated of the other side,
Speaker 10: and we dehumanize the other side when we hate, and
Speaker 10: that element has intensified in the last ten to fifteen years. Sadly,
Speaker 10: your kids, very sadly, and on the kids that I'm teaching,
Speaker 10: have lived through school gun violence in a way that
Speaker 10: we did not when I was a kid. So their
Speaker 10: world is populated with gun violence. So they are more
Speaker 10: used to that than we are, so we look at
Speaker 10: it as political violence as a threat, But that generation says,
Speaker 10: will I be safe going to school? So I think
Speaker 10: these two things have come together in this moment in time.
Speaker 3: Is there optimism in Providence that this can change? I
Speaker 3: think to what was actually kind of a quaint moment
Speaker 3: just a couple of days ago, when you had this
Speaker 3: transition of power, peaceful transition of power in London. You
Speaker 3: heard from Rischie Sunak acknowledging political differences with the guy
Speaker 3: who defeated him, with Kiir Starmer, and a very generous
Speaker 3: speech from Kiers Starmer when he was named Prime Minister
Speaker 3: as well, And there was something again both quaint but
Speaker 3: also refreshing about that. Can you envision in America when
Speaker 3: we get back to that, when things aren't as fraud
Speaker 3: and there is that kind of comedy c u mit
Speaker 3: y that we haven't had here in a long time.
Speaker 10: You know, you know, I was listening this morning about
Speaker 10: Joe Wilson. When Joe Wilson consonan in South Carolina, Have
Speaker 10: you lie?
Speaker 2: Same?
Speaker 1: From the State of the Union address that President.
Speaker 4: Radwy Union you lie?
Speaker 10: So I thought I was trying to sort of say,
Speaker 10: when did this happen? You know ten people on the
Speaker 10: left or people who don't like Trump say, well, Trump
Speaker 10: elevated the rhetoric and it's his fault, you know, his
Speaker 10: speech is his locker upper Hillary. But no, you know,
Speaker 10: we had this under Obama and it started to decline,
Speaker 10: and on the left and the right participates in this.
Speaker 10: I think it's become, unfortunately bipartisan. So it's not directly
Speaker 10: attributed just to Donald Trump in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 10: It was happening before that, this sort of real visceral
Speaker 10: anger that really broke all the barriers at school board meetings.
Speaker 10: You have people screaming hateful things. We just didn't have
Speaker 10: that twenty years ago. So am I optimistic that can
Speaker 10: turn the corner? I do think depends on you know,
Speaker 10: it swings in American politics. So I do think there's
Speaker 10: a limit that people will tolerate in terms of this rhetoric.
Speaker 2: On a Sunday morning at Professor Schiller and of course
Speaker 2: the heritage here of George Washington traveling up near your
Speaker 2: providence to Newport, Rhode Island, and the Jewish synagogue in
Speaker 2: the late eighteenth.
Speaker 10: Century, the district synagogue.
Speaker 2: The distance of this shot that missed the president wounding
Speaker 2: the vice former president wounding him is a distance from
Speaker 2: the Fifth Avenue Synagogue here in New York City, past
Speaker 2: Saint Thomas Fifth Avenue, the church of Norman Rockwell's painting,
Speaker 2: down to Saint Patrick's Cathedral. I mean, where with the
Speaker 2: Milwaukee Convention, the president at church are coming out of
Speaker 2: church when he learns of former President Trump's attempt at assassination.
Speaker 2: How does religion change with this assassination attempt? Is a
Speaker 2: debate in a construct in America.
Speaker 10: Well, I mean, you know you're tell me you're really
Speaker 10: trying something to the breakdown of local communities. You know,
Speaker 10: you know it got exacerbated under COVID. But we used
Speaker 10: to see each other in contexts that were different than politics,
Speaker 10: work for example, church, synagogue, mosque, school, social gatherings. We
Speaker 10: used to interact with each other far more, you know, personally,
Speaker 10: and we don't anymore. And the ability to dehumanize. We've
Speaker 10: seen this with mass shootings and young men. You know,
Speaker 10: we see this now people are objects, they're not human beings,
Speaker 10: and we don't interact enough with each other outside of
Speaker 10: politics where we recognize that we have bonds that connect us,
Speaker 10: and that is a sociological phenomenon that's been happening with
Speaker 10: the rise of technology and also obviously the pandemic. You know,
Speaker 10: people talk about going back to work and how nice
Speaker 10: it is to work at home. Yes, we can all
Speaker 10: talk about those advantages if you're lucky enough to have them,
Speaker 10: but they do degrade social bonds in society, and politicians
Speaker 10: can't fix that. So we're looking to politicians to fix
Speaker 10: something that is really deeper and broader than what they
Speaker 10: can handle.
Speaker 3: Doctor Schuler, you're heading up the Watson Institute here for
Speaker 3: a few more months, Cather on an inn basis, deserve
Speaker 3: it sabbatical.
Speaker 10: After that, I got a temporary raise. Yeah, very good,
Speaker 10: very good, Yeah for the next year.
Speaker 3: But you're thinking a lot, I imagine, and talking a
Speaker 3: lot about international relations. And I was struck again following
Speaker 3: this news. How quickly and in what droves we heard
Speaker 3: from world leaders about this. Give me your perspective on
Speaker 3: how this is resonating around the world based on what
Speaker 3: we've read, what we've seen so far from world leaders. Obviously,
Speaker 3: there are opinions about the proliferation of guns in this
Speaker 3: country and violence and the rhetoric that we've been talking about.
Speaker 3: But what's your sense of how other world leaders are
Speaker 3: watching this unfold.
Speaker 10: Well, I think there's a general sense. I mean, we've seen,
Speaker 10: you know, a punch in the face or the shoulder.
Speaker 10: I think in Copenhagen, at the primes of Denmark, we've
Speaker 10: seen the assassination in other parts of the country attempted
Speaker 10: the world like we've seen in Latin America, we've seen
Speaker 10: in Eastern Europe. So we are seeing political violence all
Speaker 10: over the world elevate to people who like I'm going
Speaker 10: I'm gonna get punched on the streets of Copenhagen. So
Speaker 10: there's that, right, So I don't think there's that much surprise.
Speaker 10: And then of course there's the gun culture in America.
Speaker 10: But I think the fear among leaders is that the
Speaker 10: Trump rhetoric about international relations, and then when Trump can
Speaker 10: elevate that rhetoric in a way that's fairly feisty, you know,
Speaker 10: it may concern them that this will solidify support around Trump,
Speaker 10: and that Trump will win. The election's over and it's
Speaker 10: already done, and that we will be living with this
Speaker 10: on a world stage for the next four year. So
Speaker 10: I think international leaders are really trying to see how
Speaker 10: this assassination attempt, you know, affects the election going forward,
Speaker 10: and does it intensify the you know, the negative partnership,
Speaker 10: sort of the divide in the society.
Speaker 2: Wendy Schuler, thank you so much. Professor Schiller at Brown University.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll hear from her as we progress to
Speaker 2: Milwaukee and Chicago as well. She has expertise on Capitol
Speaker 2: Hill and the legislative processes of the nation, but far
Speaker 2: more understands the pulse of the apparatus of our American
Speaker 2: politics forward. She's with Veda Partners. Henrietta, your thoughts when
Speaker 2: you learned of this in the vicinity of the six
Speaker 2: thirty hour yesterday evening.
Speaker 11: Thank you so much for having me this morning. It
Speaker 11: was shocking, you know, what should have been a relatively
Speaker 11: quiet weekend going into a lot of fanfare and pomp
Speaker 11: and circumstances of the convention ended up being something that
Speaker 11: I would say, my first take way after being you know,
Speaker 11: just sort of shocked and awed by the entire event,
Speaker 11: and you know, thankful that everybody was safe, including the
Speaker 11: former president, was really just the inevitability of it. It
Speaker 11: just feels so tense around America. I mean, that's certainly
Speaker 11: what blew up around me as this is happening. Was
Speaker 11: just I can't believe that it happened, and yet at
Speaker 11: the same time I absolutely can. Things are so fraught
Speaker 11: and tensions are so high that that was really the
Speaker 11: first takeaway and the one that cemented in my mind
Speaker 11: after last night.
Speaker 3: Talk more about that, if you would. I'm on the
Speaker 3: same page as you, and I wonder if that's because
Speaker 3: of the way this general election is being framed. We're
Speaker 3: hearing of it as a very pivotal election, of course,
Speaker 3: one where democracy is at stake, where there's the risk
Speaker 3: of authoritarianism. If you listen to the Democrats, if you
Speaker 3: listen to the Republicans, Donald Trump on that debate stage
Speaker 3: talking about the very real prospects as he sees them
Speaker 3: of World War three?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 3: Is it simply that discreetly or is it something that's
Speaker 3: more of a consequence of a kind of slow evolution
Speaker 3: toward of a messier and were fraud and more antagonistic
Speaker 3: brand of politics in this country.
Speaker 11: I think you don't have to single either of those
Speaker 11: things out. I mean, they're both very valid. You can
Speaker 11: go back to January sixth, which is obviously something that
Speaker 11: you know, we saw and there were certainly deaths, but
Speaker 11: our main takeaway was, gosh, it could have been so
Speaker 11: much worse. I mean, how many senators and lawmakers to
Speaker 11: be here say that exact rephrase, you know, just expecting
Speaker 11: the worse and being grateful that it wasn't that more
Speaker 11: more bad than that. And that's that's really the takeaway
Speaker 11: that I had from last night, thankful that it wasn't worse.
Speaker 11: I think that sort of sense of everybody's out to
Speaker 11: get me is definitely the perspective from President former President Trump.
Speaker 11: You know, the trials and the convictions and the felony counts,
Speaker 11: everybody's out to get me kind of vibe, And then
Speaker 11: you get it from the president's side. At the same time,
Speaker 11: you know, the elites are against me. I mean, it's
Speaker 11: not quite the same thing, but there's just this victimhood
Speaker 11: sense and this view that everybody is being hilleried against
Speaker 11: I am the president or thesident.
Speaker 2: This is brilliant. This is why we love having Henry
Speaker 2: Treson in the word. I thought of somewhat like the
Speaker 2: victim that Henriette's talking about. David Kerry is just this
Speaker 2: sense of grievance across America, in our markets, in our
Speaker 2: discussion of Bloomberg elites and the haves asset owners in America,
Speaker 2: there's almost a celebration of prosperity right now. And this
Speaker 2: is at the same time a nation, both parties feeling grievance.
Speaker 3: Both parties feeling grievance. And Henriette, if I could, I'd
Speaker 3: love to go back to sort of your experience working
Speaker 3: on Capitol Hill. You've worked on the north side, in
Speaker 3: the south side, the House and the Senate, And in
Speaker 3: the hours since this attack, we have seen comments from
Speaker 3: elected representatives calling for committee hearings and investigations. Is that
Speaker 3: healthy as you see it so soon after this to
Speaker 3: kind of move ahead to that type of investigation and
Speaker 3: sort of what do you want to see the role
Speaker 3: of official Washington and the legislative branch playing here as
Speaker 3: we learn more information.
Speaker 11: I think it's appropriate to hold hearings and you know,
Speaker 11: make sure that the safety of any of our elected
Speaker 11: officials is paramount. I fear for that all the time.
Speaker 11: I'm one of the kinds of people who really respects
Speaker 11: a lot of our elected officials that I want them
Speaker 11: to be safe so that more people will join the
Speaker 11: fray and we get better talent to join the ranks
Speaker 11: of the House and the Senate members. I think that
Speaker 11: serves America in general. So if there is to be
Speaker 11: hearings and to discuss the role of the Secret Service,
Speaker 11: I mean, all the things that went right, you know,
Speaker 11: the president, the former president is safe, he is sound.
Speaker 11: You know, that's that's the testament to their good work.
Speaker 11: I don't know that committee hearings being weaponized is good
Speaker 11: for America. That's certainly something that we have seen. I
Speaker 11: certainly don't want to make a martyr of the shooter
Speaker 11: or anything along those lines. So I hope that that's
Speaker 11: handled with care. It's a fraught situation, and I think
Speaker 11: members are right to use whatever power or they have
Speaker 11: to try to, you know, really suss out all the
Speaker 11: details of the situation, because that's what the American public
Speaker 11: wants to see. They want to know what happened, and
Speaker 11: that's the role of Congress, and that's the role of oversight.
Speaker 2: I've got to do reporting here now, Henrietta Trace. I
Speaker 2: want to ask a delicate question among our institutions of
Speaker 2: law enforcement in your Washington is a Secret Service respected?
Speaker 11: I think January sixth called a lot of the Secret
Speaker 11: Service into question, you know, with the rally and with
Speaker 11: the licenses that have been granted. I think there's so
Speaker 11: much of that to go around, and I hope that
Speaker 11: they're able to answer a lot of questions this morning
Speaker 11: and in the days ahead, because they're going to get along.
Speaker 2: David, your thoughts on that difficult question, You've lived it down.
Speaker 2: There Are they respected? Like you know, I think of CIA,
Speaker 2: FBI and the rest of the alphabet soup, I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I think that they are.
Speaker 3: I think that anyway is right that there have been
Speaker 3: questions about them, and certainly there's been some scandal within
Speaker 3: the department in these recent years. And you know, a
Speaker 3: person whose name has come up here in the last
Speaker 3: few hours is Kim Cheedle, who's the head of the
Speaker 3: Secret Service. And you had somebody like Elon Musk saying
Speaker 3: that she should step down, noting that she worked at PepsiCo.
Speaker 1: Well, she spent.
Speaker 3: Thirty years at the Secret Service before that. So I
Speaker 3: think there is going to be deserved scrutiny on the
Speaker 3: agency here in the in the weeks to come, weeks
Speaker 3: and months to come. But you know, I watching that
Speaker 3: video so many times, as we all did, because it
Speaker 3: played over and over again. One had to admire the
Speaker 3: integrity of those who work for that agency in moving
Speaker 3: quickly to surround the president get him off that stage
Speaker 3: into a car safely. These are people who do take
Speaker 3: an oath to protect the president of the United States,
Speaker 3: and that is a very grave thing.
Speaker 2: Tom, Henrietta, I want to talk about your Capitol Hill,
Speaker 2: and I guess we're not. We'll say, ask pure political
Speaker 2: questions now, But when you have Henrietta Treys.
Speaker 1: In the phone, that's temptation to do so.
Speaker 2: Percolating out there in the Gura zeitgeist is a Republican sweep?
Speaker 2: How do you interpret people claiming or predicting, or hoping
Speaker 2: or against a Republican sweep?
Speaker 11: November fifth, Well, I think that the twenty twenty election
Speaker 11: is a lot closer than people remember. I think that
Speaker 11: it took a global pandemic to have Joe Biden win,
Speaker 11: and I think that right now the Democratic Party is
Speaker 11: way behind where their voters are. And when that is
Speaker 11: the case, you either get to press turnout or you
Speaker 11: get the independent and moderate voter base, which decides all
Speaker 11: American elections in just a handful of states saying you
Speaker 11: know what, I'm not voting for the Democratic Party right now,
Speaker 11: and they either stay home or they vote for Donald Trump.
Speaker 11: And you have to think that there's a rally around
Speaker 11: the flag moment right now stemming from an assassination attempt,
Speaker 11: which is so jarring to so many people. It hasn't
Speaker 11: happened in decades in America, and it's something that I
Speaker 11: think will serve hopefully for a moment of solemnity and
Speaker 11: resignation is the last thing that you want, but definitely
Speaker 11: a sense of you know, this decision has serious consequences.
Speaker 11: The Democrats are in extreme disarray, and I think that
Speaker 11: the base case on the street right now and certainly
Speaker 11: within VC, is that this is pretending a Republican wave.
Speaker 11: And what's been interesting about that, and I have struggled with,
Speaker 11: is that statistically our odds have been ninety percent or
Speaker 11: higher that the Senate goes Republican, and it's only a
Speaker 11: five percent chance in my view, that the House will
Speaker 11: flip to Democratic control on the event that President former
Speaker 11: President Trump wins. Now, it's not just a statistical red
Speaker 11: wave because of geography and which states are up this cycle.
Speaker 11: It just so happens that they're all in swing states
Speaker 11: where if the president win, if former president wins, he's
Speaker 11: going to win those Senate seats as well. It's really
Speaker 11: now more how many seats are we talking talking not
Speaker 11: just fifty one fifty three Senate seats, but fifty five
Speaker 11: to fifty six? Are we talking Republican gains in the
Speaker 11: House of you know, two hundred and twenty five seats?
Speaker 11: Are we talking two hundred and forty seven seats? That's
Speaker 11: the distinction that Democrats have to face right now that
Speaker 11: it's not just a statistical red leave that we would
Speaker 11: expect to see given what's at stake and what seats
Speaker 11: are on, But is this a tsunami style election? And
Speaker 11: I think that's what's happening in the race right now
Speaker 11: with Joe Bidens and systems that he's going.
Speaker 2: To stay in Well, the upside of it all. Henrietta Trace,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. Your perspective incredibly valued.
Speaker 2: She's like when we put her on the podcast Single
Speaker 2: Best Idea, I.
Speaker 1: Mean it goes right, Single Best Podcast.
Speaker 2: It's just like, you know, she's a star. Henrietta Trace,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. To show you how folks, the
Speaker 2: world's been turned upside down. Steve Kernaky over at NBC
Speaker 2: just announces they're going to delay their poll. They're not
Speaker 2: they were going to have a big fanfare today and
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Speaker 2: that we do here. But David, that shows how things
Speaker 2: are upside down. A poll with fanfare, delight.
Speaker 1: And reasonably so.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're just left to wonder how this can
Speaker 3: reshape things and change the direction of this campaign. So
Speaker 3: we will watch closely, listen closely to all of those shows.
Speaker 3: I saw Senator Graham, Senator Sanders scheduled to be un
Speaker 3: Meet the Press, very interested to hear what they have
Speaker 3: to say about the political atmosphere and what this means
Speaker 3: for the culture of America going forward.
Speaker 2: Our conversation this morning to all of you across the
Speaker 2: nation worldwide, is we're hoping a measured conversation about our
Speaker 2: American politics, our American violence in this assassination attempt. Part
Speaker 2: of that is people with perspective and experience. David, Girl,
Speaker 2: why don't you bring in our esteem. Rick Davis here,
Speaker 2: with all of his work with Senator McCain and with
Speaker 2: President Reagan years ago.
Speaker 3: Had a familiar face on Bloomberg's balance of Powerstone we
Speaker 3: hear from many days of the week giving us perspective
Speaker 3: in real time on this campaign and politics in Washington.
Speaker 3: He's a partner at Rick Davis. We were talking about
Speaker 3: what this might mean for the politics the campaign going forward.
Speaker 3: We're going to spend some time with you here after
Speaker 3: the break, but in the minute that we have here,
Speaker 3: what does the former president need to say when he
Speaker 3: takes the stage in Milwaukee. How does he take stock
Speaker 3: and give us his impression of what's happened here and
Speaker 3: how it reshapes the campaign going forward. What do you
Speaker 3: need to hear from him in Milwaukee?
Speaker 12: I think going into yesterday, both sides had really hot rhetoric.
Speaker 12: It was divissive on both sides, Democrats and Republicans. Heat
Speaker 12: of the campaign, very close selection, do it out, and
Speaker 12: I think this is the moment for a pivot. I think,
Speaker 12: you know, Donald Trump can take the high ground, and
Speaker 12: it's been offered to him. It's a moment in historic
Speaker 12: time and it's going to be interesting to see how
Speaker 12: they capitalize on it. And by the way, distinctly different
Speaker 12: than how this convention has been organized message wise going
Speaker 12: into tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Rick Davis, we're going to come back. I don't want
Speaker 2: to squeeze you too short here, mister Davis in Milwaukee,
Speaker 2: of course, all of his service to the Republican Party.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a piercing conversation. You're going to
Speaker 2: hear it. To get us to ninet thirty, we'll come
Speaker 2: back with Rick Davis. I don't know how you get
Speaker 2: from Milwaukee to Chicago. I mean, things, David Gerr have
Speaker 2: just been absolutely turned upside down.
Speaker 3: Feels very day by day, and I just think of
Speaker 3: the circumstances that the Democratic Party is in, the current
Speaker 3: president is in after that disastrous debate, so many people
Speaker 3: saying the way to quell those anst move things forward,
Speaker 3: be out there more, take more questions, do more campaigning.
Speaker 3: He's now entering a period when the focus is going
Speaker 3: to shift squarely on the Republican Party as we moved
Speaker 3: to this convention in Milwaukee. He has this opportunity for
Speaker 3: an interview with Lester Holt on Monday. But then there
Speaker 3: is a kind of necessary quiet that we'll set in,
Speaker 3: and I'm very curious to hear from Rick when we
Speaker 3: come back, sort of what his counsel would be to
Speaker 3: the current president about how to play a role in
Speaker 3: this very vital and important conversation about what this means
Speaker 3: for the country going forward.
Speaker 2: Lots to speak about here are Nancy Cook so experienced
Speaker 2: with Bloomberg. Writing in her headline this morning, she reports
Speaker 2: bloody defiant Trump's image pumps up Gop Bass after shooting,
Speaker 2: and of course all that having to do with their
Speaker 2: coverage in Milwaukee. Joe Matthew's scheduled to be with us
Speaker 2: here this morning, as well as David Gera mentioned Balance
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I can't say enough good things about the strength
Speaker 3: of our coverage of the former president's campaign. Stephanie Laie
Speaker 3: also traveling with the former president, and of course Jennifer Jacobs,
Speaker 3: who no one knows that this former president better than
Speaker 3: she had contributed to our average as well. So incredibly
Speaker 3: strong to say. Adriana making her way from Western Pennsylvania
Speaker 3: now to Milwaukee as we are on the Sunday morning in.
Speaker 2: Milwaukee, and I want to frame out who this guy is.
Speaker 2: If you are from Arizona, he's a household name, a
Speaker 2: major advisor to the politics of the gentleman from Arizona. No,
Speaker 2: not Bury Goldwater, but Senator John McCain and also his
Speaker 2: public service to the sea of Ronald Reagan. Do you
Speaker 2: recall the assassination tempt at the Hilton Hotel of President Reagan?
Speaker 2: Can you give us a vignette and anecdote of that horrific.
Speaker 12: Afternoon as at the tom and we were assembled in
Speaker 12: a meeting actually right across from the White House in
Speaker 12: Lafayette Square, and somebody came in and said the President
Speaker 12: had been shot. Nobody knew what condition.
Speaker 13: He was in.
Speaker 12: We immediately, you know, turned on our television sets, and
Speaker 12: this was an era where we didn't have instant news,
Speaker 12: so there were special reports and we immediately went over
Speaker 12: to the old Executive Office building next to the west
Speaker 12: wind of the White House and met up with some
Speaker 12: of our colleagues. We knew all the advanced people and
Speaker 12: secret service and his detail and protecting him. Great friends
Speaker 12: of mine from the campaign were involved in the incident,
Speaker 12: and it was a moment of stillness, you know, where
Speaker 12: people didn't know what was going to happen next it was.
Speaker 12: It was actually very reminiscent of yesterday afternoon when the
Speaker 12: president went down, Former President Trump went down. Secret Service
Speaker 12: were all over him, and it just reminded me of
Speaker 12: the scenes from Ronald Reagan where he was also tackled
Speaker 12: by the Secret Service and a protective crouch and thrust
Speaker 12: into the car. And at the time everyone was assuming
Speaker 12: that he was okay, and little did we know President
Speaker 12: Reagan had suffered a gunshot wound life threatening, and in
Speaker 12: this case it was less harmful, but nonetheless dangerous. All
Speaker 12: I could think about was, you know, that bullet came
Speaker 12: so close to creating a national disaster. And so we
Speaker 12: have a moment here we can step back and say, look,
Speaker 12: is this really the politics we want? Is this the
Speaker 12: kind of environment we want to operate in. I've done
Speaker 12: a lot of presidential campaigns over the years, and this
Speaker 12: one had descended into a very dark place. And I'm
Speaker 12: hopeful that maybe this is a moment where both the professionals,
Speaker 12: the candidates, and the public could take a step back.
Speaker 3: Rick Davis, you bring up that resonance. I think a
Speaker 3: lot of us had the same thought yesterday, just about
Speaker 3: how we're talking about a matter of inches, if not
Speaker 3: centimeters here, and things could have been a world worse.
Speaker 3: But I think about what we learned about the aftermath
Speaker 3: of that attempt on Ronald Reagan's life and the moments
Speaker 3: of humor that took place in the emergency room when
Speaker 3: he kind of paraphrased Jack Dempsey and told his wife
Speaker 3: told Nancy Reagan, Honey, I forgot to duck. And we
Speaker 3: learned about how he processed what had happened, the attempt
Speaker 3: on his life, and then worked to move the nation forward.
Speaker 3: What can we learn from what happened back in nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty one? What can we Tom and I and our listeners,
Speaker 3: but the country as well. And again, I'm looking for
Speaker 3: your prescription here of sort of how we process what's
Speaker 3: happened and how we turned that into something good and
Speaker 3: get the kind of change that you're talking about, the
Speaker 3: kind of cooler rhetoric that might prevail here.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think we look to our leaders to give
Speaker 12: us that kind of guy. And I think that's why
Speaker 12: we're in the place we're at, because it's been very
Speaker 12: easy for our national leadership whether it's the party out
Speaker 12: of power party in power to demagogue and and and
Speaker 12: create fear and govern that way. And I think Ron
Speaker 12: Reagan showed us the way. As you point out, he
Speaker 12: used humor to to kind of calm the situation. And
Speaker 12: I thought I was looking very intently at President Biden's
Speaker 12: comments last night. People tune in, they want to know
Speaker 12: that there's not something bigger happening around all this, Right,
Speaker 12: you wonder is this just one event of the series.
Speaker 12: And I thought he did a good job. This is
Speaker 12: what Joe Biden does well.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 12: We've been very critical of President Biden for a lot
Speaker 12: of the things he's not been doing well lately, but
Speaker 12: in this case, he was empathetic, you know, even just
Speaker 12: the slight twist where he referred to Donald Trump as Donald.
Speaker 12: It was a nuance that I'm not sure he actually
Speaker 12: intended to do, but I think at that point, when
Speaker 12: he was standing talking to the American public trying to
Speaker 12: calm their fears, you know, he used a very colloquial
Speaker 12: address for the former president, I thought that was from
Speaker 12: the heart. So I think it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 12: the Biden campaign withdrew all their ads. Of course, they
Speaker 12: were all negative attack ads on Donald Trump, very appropriate
Speaker 12: for the times. And so the next step will be
Speaker 12: Donald Trump's He'll arrive here tomorrow and in Milwaukee to
Speaker 12: address his supporters what would normally be red meat week.
Speaker 12: You know, normally we'd hear every attack on the president
Speaker 12: to try and you get excited that the shock troops
Speaker 12: of the Republican Party, and it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 12: how that gets modulated if it does. This is a
Speaker 12: moment to address that kind of rhetoric. And I think
Speaker 12: the Democrats and the Biden campaign have done the first
Speaker 12: step in withdrawing these attack ads and going on national
Speaker 12: television and asking for unity, and I would I wouldn't
Speaker 12: be surprised that the President Trump does the same thing
Speaker 12: and uses this moment to address the nation in a
Speaker 12: different way. I know for sure that the Program Committee
Speaker 12: of the Convention is rewriting a lot of speeches today,
Speaker 12: and so there are a lot of really smart guys
Speaker 12: sitting in a dusk trying to crank out a completely
Speaker 12: different program. That's what they had going into this convention.
Speaker 1: Yesterday, a whole different agenda.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about what I mentioned when
Speaker 3: we went to break just a few minutes ago, and
Speaker 3: that is, as you're saying, just a moment ago, you
Speaker 3: have you have present bind pulling those ads, scaling back
Speaker 3: the outreach that they're making to voters. There is this
Speaker 3: Marque interview that's going to take place tomorrow in Texas
Speaker 3: with NBC News. But speak, if you would, to the
Speaker 3: pickle that the White House finds itself in now going
Speaker 3: quite in the way that you think rightly they should
Speaker 3: be doing, the focus shifting here to Milwaukee and the
Speaker 3: Republican National Convention, but all the while still this specter
Speaker 3: of needing to do more, of needing to be out there,
Speaker 3: needing to show that this president has the competency and
Speaker 3: capacity to serve a second term in the White House.
Speaker 3: There have been so many advisors like yourself, suggesting that
Speaker 3: what Joe Biden needs to do is more be out there,
Speaker 3: more talking, more reaching out to voters. More safe to say,
Speaker 3: this complicates things so greatly.
Speaker 12: Yeah, this is going to change everything for both sides.
Speaker 12: And I think it may anure to the benefit of
Speaker 12: the Democratic campaign because right now they're in a tail spin.
Speaker 12: The turmoil that has existed in the Biden campaign since
Speaker 12: the debate performance that was subpar at best, has really
Speaker 12: question whether or not they can even consider continue his candidacy.
Speaker 12: This will freeze everything. The combination of this incident, an
Speaker 12: assassination attempt on a former president, and the Republican Convention
Speaker 12: here will really change the spotlight. It's all been on
Speaker 12: Joe Biden. And you know, we've watched his every public
Speaker 12: appearance with holding our breath for fear that we see
Speaker 12: that same kind of performance. And he's and he's done better, right,
Speaker 12: and he's stabilized a bit, But this gives him a breather. This,
Speaker 12: this will change the focus from him to Donald Trump,
Speaker 12: and our eyes will not be focused on Biden and
Speaker 12: his campaign for some time. It'll take at least a
Speaker 12: week for this convention to go through its pieces. The President,
Speaker 12: to take an advantage of the situation, finds himself in
Speaker 12: the entire world, will be riveted to his speech here
Speaker 12: on Thursday night, accepting the nominate and putting the campaign
Speaker 12: on a course a new dialogue with the American public,
Speaker 12: and it'll be probably the most important speech Donald Trump
Speaker 12: is in his entire life.
Speaker 2: Rick Davis, I have to ask this, it's a little
Speaker 2: bit off, but unfortunately I don't think it's off full disclosure, folks.
Speaker 2: My father was a life member of the NRA. He
Speaker 2: was someone who adored hunting and being out in the fields,
Speaker 2: and that Rick Davis, you grew up with twenty Mule Team,
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan, and he loved to get on the horse
Speaker 2: and go through the thunder of California showing the West.
Speaker 2: You are intimately affected by an edge of purple strait Arizona,
Speaker 2: where there is a culture of the West. We saw
Speaker 2: yesterday the continuing culture of weapons, of guns, of ak
Speaker 2: whatever's in America. Can this be a seismic moment where
Speaker 2: we finally figure out this affair with weaponry in America?
Speaker 12: You know, Tom, it's a really good question, and we
Speaker 12: ask this question every time there's a school shooting, but this.
Speaker 2: Is different, as the school shootings are appalling, But you know,
Speaker 2: this changes the dialogue, I would respectfully suggest, I would hope.
Speaker 12: So I've expected some kind of event that would finally
Speaker 12: force an open and honest discussion about the use of
Speaker 12: military grade weapons in society. And this is a riveting
Speaker 12: moment to have that conversation. Unfortunately, coming at the tail
Speaker 12: end of a Congress, at the end of an administration,
Speaker 12: and in the heat of a campaign, it's going to
Speaker 12: blunt that conversation. I can't imagine anything productive happening in Washington,
Speaker 12: d C. Right now, considering the state of our politics.
Speaker 12: Maybe this is the moment where everyone takes a step back,
Speaker 12: and I think that's going to be completely in the
Speaker 12: category of something Donald Trump is responsible for. He has
Speaker 12: this chance. Democrats can't do. Democrats can't go to the
Speaker 12: well and say another example of why we need to
Speaker 12: ban assault weapons. Only Donald Trump could actually shake the
Speaker 12: foundation of that Second Amendment crowd within our party to say, Okay,
Speaker 12: we've had enough and we have to do something about this.
Speaker 12: And certainly he'd find common cause with most of Congress
Speaker 12: right now, who have been on the precipice of doing
Speaker 12: something about this but just hasn't had the catalyst like
Speaker 12: this to take real action. But the wins against it
Speaker 12: are strong. The timing is bad. From a legislative point
Speaker 12: of view, getting anything out of Congress, as we've seen
Speaker 12: in the last six months, is virtually impossible, but it
Speaker 12: doesn't mean that it can't can't still happen, And I
Speaker 12: think that's part of the message that Donald Trump as
Speaker 12: the opportunity to give to the convention, because it's only
Speaker 12: when you change your own party that things happen. You
Speaker 12: can you never make progress by attacking the opposition. That's
Speaker 12: sort of standard operating procedure. And what I used to
Speaker 12: love about John McCain is he believed in poks on
Speaker 12: both the houses. He would have he would go after
Speaker 12: Republicans as much as he would go after Democrats, and
Speaker 12: and and that made it effective because his intentions were
Speaker 12: honest in that regard.
Speaker 3: Rick, very quickly here you bring up your former boss,
Speaker 3: the late Senator John McCain, And I think there were
Speaker 3: a few people who warned about our deteriorating politics more
Speaker 3: and more forcefully than he did. When you look at
Speaker 3: what's happened since he was issuing those clarion calls about
Speaker 3: where things were headed, how dark things were likely to become.
Speaker 3: Do you see a missed opportunity? Was this kind of
Speaker 3: an inevitable rolled downhill to where we are today? Or
Speaker 3: was there something more that you think could have been
Speaker 3: done in a particular moment, that politicians of both stripes
Speaker 3: could have done more.
Speaker 12: Oh? Sure, in retrospect, you can always find moments that
Speaker 12: could have it could have been different, right, even at
Speaker 12: the start of the Biden presidency, he actually could have
Speaker 12: I've heard this many times. I thought it was brilliant.
Speaker 12: I think my friend Met Romney had said something about,
Speaker 12: you know, Biden should have just pardoned Trump, right. Could
Speaker 12: you imagine the tumult we would have missed if there
Speaker 12: had not been this aggressive effort to prosecuting regardless of
Speaker 12: whether you know, you think he's you're innocent, and of
Speaker 12: course he's been proven guilty by a jury of his peers.
Speaker 12: But that put the country through a very, very difficult time.
Speaker 12: I just remember here we are in Wisconsin, the presidence
Speaker 12: of mine of my friend John McCain, at a town
Speaker 12: hall in the heat of the campaign, and a woman
Speaker 12: looks at him and in a big crowd, and she says,
Speaker 12: while he's on camera, you know that Barack Obama is
Speaker 12: a Muslim and he's out to hurt American And John
Speaker 12: McCain stood up in a group of supporters and said, no, man, no,
Speaker 12: he's a good man, he's a good family man, and
Speaker 12: we just have a disagreement on how to run the country.
Speaker 12: I mean, the presence of mind to do that in
Speaker 12: the heat of the moment is what distinguishes good politicians
Speaker 12: from great politicians, and I think this is a moment
Speaker 12: in time. This is the Trump opportunity to do the
Speaker 12: same thing standing in a group of his supporters on
Speaker 12: Thursday night. He can change the political dynamic right now.
Speaker 2: Rick Davis, thank you for decades of perspective, Rick Davis.
Speaker 2: Of course, with Joe Matthew and Kayley Lines in Milwaukee,
Speaker 2: speaking of what you get a short moment here with
Speaker 2: Joe Matthew and then we'll come back for extended comments
Speaker 2: with Joe Matthew. He is leading our coverage in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: Joe Matthew, how did your cover VERD change last night
Speaker 2: six thirty?
Speaker 14: Well, it's a great question here because it's still changing.
Speaker 14: I think that this twenty four hour period between the
Speaker 14: time those shots rang out and when we are on
Speaker 14: the air, and then another twenty four hours before the
Speaker 14: start of this convention, You're going to see a lot
Speaker 14: more changes, which is why I'm really urging people to
Speaker 14: not try to be in the business of predicting things.
Speaker 14: This is a pretty dark feeling, I'll be honest with
Speaker 14: you this morning in Milwaukee, and a lot of folks
Speaker 14: were bewildered last evening We were on the plane when
Speaker 14: this news broke with a lot of politicos and a
Speaker 14: lot of media types, and it's just one of those
Speaker 14: moments where you have to try to project as little
Speaker 14: as possible and take the news in. And that's what
Speaker 14: we're going to do today on Blueberg.
Speaker 3: Joe, we see that the former president deeed is going
Speaker 3: to Milwaukee, planning to give that speech on Thursday, but
Speaker 3: also saying that he's going to be a large presence
Speaker 3: throughout the proceedings over the course of the week.
Speaker 1: Is that a change.
Speaker 3: Did we expect to see him there as early? And
Speaker 3: what will you be watching for as these get underway?
Speaker 3: Tom making the very student observation a little while ago.
Speaker 3: Conventions have a lot of speakers. Some are more important
Speaker 3: than others, some more marquee than others, have more important
Speaker 3: things to say. Of course, we're waiting for the vice
Speaker 3: presidential pick as well. Do you get a sense this
Speaker 3: will be much more closely watched now as a result of.
Speaker 14: This, Oh, it surely will be. This could be the
Speaker 14: most watched political convention in history when you consider the
Speaker 14: moment we were already in with Joe Biden. Now, this
Speaker 14: is an incredible moment, regardless of your politics. But you
Speaker 14: ask a great question. In twenty sixteen, Donald Trump kind
Speaker 14: of up ended the tradition of holding the nominee until
Speaker 14: the last night. You know, it's like you don't see
Speaker 14: the bride before the wedding. Here and Donald Trump came
Speaker 14: out on the first night. He would pop his head
Speaker 14: outside on the stage, just a wave to get a
Speaker 14: round of applause. He didn't want to let a knight
Speaker 14: go by without soaking it up. And I suspect that
Speaker 14: that will be the go forward here. My bigger question
Speaker 14: is when do we first see him in public? What
Speaker 14: will be the staging? How will he look when he's
Speaker 14: in front of cameras the first time? Probably today?
Speaker 2: So Matthew Howley, particularly the Republican Party away from the
Speaker 2: core constituency of President Trump, how do they move on
Speaker 2: in Milwaukee?
Speaker 14: Well, my gosh, we haven't even started yet. So the
Speaker 14: idea of moving on from this is going to take
Speaker 14: a minute. Here, I just see a choice. This could
Speaker 14: go a couple of different ways. At some point, we'll
Speaker 14: see Donald Trump in front of a camera today. His
Speaker 14: demeanor is going to mean a lot. He's going to
Speaker 14: be cleaned up. He will probably be bandaged. Well, if
Speaker 14: here with members of the Secret Service, is that politically
Speaker 14: sound at this moment. Those are some of the questions
Speaker 14: around the optics that I have here. But look, there
Speaker 14: was a real tone of retribution around this program. Martyrdom.
Speaker 14: Dana White from the UFC is going to be speaking.
Speaker 14: It looks like on Thursday night, when the former President
Speaker 14: of the United States receives this nomination, if they lean
Speaker 14: into that, it's going to be an important moment. If
Speaker 14: Donald Trump decides to embrace moderation here, it too will
Speaker 14: be important. And I'm not sure that they have even
Speaker 14: arrived in that place yet. We're just waking up today
Speaker 14: with a lot of people having a sense of where
Speaker 14: they want to go, having slept on it, and there's
Speaker 14: just great uncertainty around this whole program. Rick Davis talked
Speaker 14: about it. You remember his convention in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 14: I was in the Twin Cities for that. There was
Speaker 14: a hurricane on the Gulf Coast on the first day
Speaker 14: of that convention. They had to change their plans on
Speaker 14: the spot to avoid a split screen that could have
Speaker 14: been very damaging to the nominee. In this case, they're
Speaker 14: going to have to make decisions like that as well
Speaker 14: in real time.
Speaker 3: I remember that well, and remember how it contrasted what
Speaker 3: the Democrats had in Denver that year, which was a
Speaker 3: convention the likes of which we hadn't seen before, both
Speaker 3: in terms of scale and scope, filling up mile high
Speaker 3: stadium with folks for Barack Obama's address. Then I imagine, Joe,
Speaker 3: you're doing what I'm doing, which is, you know, we
Speaker 3: have this kind of skeleton agenda that we've gotten from
Speaker 3: the Republican National Committee and the convention, detailing which delegation
Speaker 3: is going to be ware for what, and movies and
Speaker 3: all kinds of things like that. And then you know,
Speaker 3: before this happened yesterday, we got this kind of comprehensive
Speaker 3: list of who the headliners are going to be at
Speaker 3: the convention, and you mentioned Dana White as one of them,
Speaker 3: but you know, you look at who else is on here,
Speaker 3: certainly all of the front runners for that vice presidential position,
Speaker 3: various campaign advisors. Lee Greenwood is on there as well.
Speaker 3: What can you divine from looking at that list? You
Speaker 3: talked about grievance and retribution? What does it tell you
Speaker 3: just that list of what I guess thirty or forty
Speaker 3: names that we got from the Trump campaign over the weekend.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's interesting. It was the number of senators that
Speaker 14: kind of blew me away, considering the idea that this
Speaker 14: was such a controversial figure coming out of January six.
Speaker 3: Almost a dozen of them, I think if I count.
Speaker 14: Right, that is right. Of course a couple of them
Speaker 14: would like to be vice president. No big shockers there.
Speaker 14: I mean, look to see Dana White on stage is
Speaker 14: going to be bizarre, amber Rose, this is part of
Speaker 14: the job at a convention like this, But how will
Speaker 14: that list change? There's one name that was taken off
Speaker 14: the list of speakers, and that's Milannia Trump. Now, after
Speaker 14: what we just experienced here in this country, are you
Speaker 14: telling me that the former first Lady will not appear
Speaker 14: on stage with Donald Trump or will not say words
Speaker 14: of the podium. I think those are the kind of
Speaker 14: details are coming back around on now when it comes
Speaker 14: to best speaker's.
Speaker 3: List, remarkable, Tom and the list is divided between entertainer's celebrities,
Speaker 3: industry leaders, members of Congress, then family. So it's Joe
Speaker 3: rightly mentioned that we've got Donald Trump, Junior, Eric Trump,
Speaker 3: Laura Trump, who's the co chair of the.
Speaker 2: RNC, and Kim Bill to both of you, and David,
Speaker 2: let me go to you here, and it's just Joe
Speaker 2: and Jenny, She and Xanna waiting for us. David, that's
Speaker 2: always the case. This horrific event is happening. But I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody's consulted out President Trump needs to decide
Speaker 2: how President Trump will change Milwaukee period.
Speaker 1: I think that that's the case.
Speaker 3: And you know, we talked a little bit about the
Speaker 3: piece that Tim Alberta wrote for The Atlantic at the
Speaker 3: top of the show, really looking at this campaign, the
Speaker 3: kind of campaign that Donald Trump is running this time around,
Speaker 3: Susy Wild's heading it up. And you know, I know
Speaker 3: we're going to come back to Joe here in just
Speaker 3: a little bit, but I'm eager to hear sort of
Speaker 3: the gree to which the former president is shaping this,
Speaker 3: the degree to which he's going to defer to the
Speaker 3: leadership of that campaign, if they're going to maintain the
Speaker 3: kind of discipline that they've had here leading up to this,
Speaker 3: which if you look at the polls, look at how
Speaker 3: things are going has worked clearly worked so effectively for them.
Speaker 2: Joe, We're gonna let you go and come back, but
Speaker 2: quickly here they're gonna move the perimeters in Milwaukee. Are
Speaker 2: you and your team coverage going to be pushed out
Speaker 2: to Whitefish Bay?
Speaker 14: Look, it's a great we could be enveloped by the perimeters.
Speaker 14: That that's the one thing that we're waiting to find
Speaker 14: out because we were kind of on the edge of
Speaker 14: it right now. Bloomberg has a bit of a house
Speaker 14: set up here. So whether we're engulf or not, I
Speaker 14: will say it's probably a good time to not be
Speaker 14: in the perimeter because it's going to be harder to
Speaker 14: get in there than it is today.
Speaker 1: It's like real world bounce of power.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, I've got a house that.
Speaker 2: Kaylee Lines and Joe Matthew leading our coverage, and again
Speaker 2: Joel joined us here this morning in their special coverage
Speaker 2: tonight at five pm worldwide on Bloomberg Radio and Bloomberg
Speaker 2: Television as well. She has been patient. She is of
Speaker 2: Ionia University. Jenny, She and Zana joins us right now. Jennie,
Speaker 2: just to begin the coverage here, your thoughts on this
Speaker 2: horrific event of yesterday.
Speaker 15: Well, you know, we are all so lucky that the president,
Speaker 15: the former president, is a close, Caul, that is that.
Speaker 2: Was my I don't mean to interrupt you, but that
Speaker 2: was my first thought this morning when I woke up
Speaker 2: after no sleep tonight. Continue yeah, and me as.
Speaker 15: Well, Tom, And you know how close he came. I mean,
Speaker 15: we are all so grateful for that. And I think
Speaker 15: the questions you were just all talking about with Joe
Speaker 15: are the ones that I have. How does this impact
Speaker 15: the convention? Certainly the program we accept now they will
Speaker 15: have a moment of silence for the victims of this shooting.
Speaker 15: These iconic photos which portray the former president as in
Speaker 15: a show of strength, I mean, the idea that he
Speaker 15: could stand up after being shot, put his fist in
Speaker 15: the air and say fight, fight, fight. It is. These
Speaker 15: are iconic images, and certainly the delegates here that they
Speaker 15: of the party. They are both grateful and angry, and
Speaker 15: we heard some of that anger yesterday and I think
Speaker 15: we'll hear more of that. People like jd Vancerew very
Speaker 15: well could be the vice presidential nominee. He just a
Speaker 15: few hours after this horrific incident blamed it on Joe
Speaker 15: Biden's rhetoric. And that is not something that is isolated.
Speaker 15: That is something you hear from the Republican base that
Speaker 15: they are angry, and so how that anger is you know,
Speaker 15: transferred into the convention hall. These are all things that
Speaker 15: we're going to be watching for here.
Speaker 3: I saw that tweet as well from the junior Senator
Speaker 3: of Ohio that rhetoric led directly to the assassination attempt
Speaker 3: of Donald Trump. And we'll see here in the coming
Speaker 3: hours how widely that's embraced by other members of the
Speaker 3: Republican Party. Certainly, you know, I'm curious. I know that
Speaker 3: you have a background in public opinion polling and research,
Speaker 3: and Tom has rightly said, we don't want to dwell
Speaker 3: too much here on the politics, and you know what
Speaker 3: this means for the campaign itself at this moment in time.
Speaker 3: But when you look at sort of where things were
Speaker 3: and how this is likely to change the terrain, the
Speaker 3: political terrain here going into Milwaukee, what are your expectations
Speaker 3: as we come from two weeks back, that disastrous debate Atlanta,
Speaker 3: the effort on the White House's part to change course
Speaker 3: get President Biden out there more. We now have this
Speaker 3: seismic event in this campaign, seismic event in American political history.
Speaker 3: How do you see it reshaping the landscape.
Speaker 15: You know, I'm not sure it's going to change public
Speaker 15: opinions polling much. The anger that we are just talking
Speaker 15: about reflected by jd Vance, that is reflected in the base,
Speaker 15: and these are people who have supported and will continue
Speaker 15: to support the former president. They need to reach out
Speaker 15: to those a sort of Nikky Hayley voters, moderate independence,
Speaker 15: And the question is does this change anything for that
Speaker 15: small segment of the population. We haven't seen much movement
Speaker 15: there yet. I'm not sure we're going to see that.
Speaker 10: But if you look at history.
Speaker 15: And you look at say, the shooting of President Reagan,
Speaker 15: just you know, months into his presidency, you did see
Speaker 15: a change in the public opinion support for the former president.
Speaker 15: Obviously very different time and circumstances, but he was a
Speaker 15: polarizing figure and his public opinion support increased after his shooting.
Speaker 15: So that is a possibility as well.
Speaker 2: Jenny, thank you so much. We're out of time. It's
Speaker 2: way too short of visit with you. I've got about
Speaker 2: eight more questions, including the purpleness of some of these
Speaker 2: swing states, but we'll get much more from Jenny. She
Speaker 2: and Zeno of Iona College, a University. I should say
Speaker 2: in New Rochelle. She's a wonderful advisor to Bloomberg with
Speaker 2: perspective and through Milwaukee. In Chicago, David, what do you have?
Speaker 3: We were talking with Joe just about security in Milwaukee,
Speaker 3: and Michael Wadley, who's the chairperson of the Republican National Committee,
Speaker 3: was on Fox News Sunday this morning asked about security
Speaker 3: at that convention. Didn't get into specifics, according to our
Speaker 3: colleagues who were following all the commentary on these shows
Speaker 3: this morning, but did say the GOP is working with
Speaker 3: forty different law enforcement agencies. He said, quote, this is
Speaker 3: going to be a facility where we're going to be
Speaker 3: able to have fifty thousand delegates and alternates and guests
Speaker 3: and members of the media who are going to be
Speaker 3: here and who are going to be safe. That is
Speaker 3: very critical for us. Again, the chairperson of the Republican
Speaker 3: National Committee.
Speaker 2: Bloomberg Radio and across all of our digital services, David
Speaker 2: Gura and Tom Keen a special edition of Bloomberg Surveillance.
Speaker 2: The team has worked through the night. I think there's
Speaker 2: a couple all nighters. It's just like in the old days,
Speaker 2: all nighters to get yourself the Finally, a special edition
Speaker 2: of Bloomberg Surveillance. Good morning everyone, Tom Keen with David
Speaker 2: Gura from our studios in New York. We're trying to
Speaker 2: do conversation forward after this horrific assassination attempt, and David,
Speaker 2: you mentioned it, the shock of it only really beginning
Speaker 2: to settle in for me. With all of the images
Speaker 2: and all of the modern news coverage, there's just that cadence.
Speaker 2: It is true shock that we process over a violence
Speaker 2: of this. You mentioned earlier the New York Times photograph
Speaker 2: of the image of a bullet passing by the former president.
Speaker 3: Doug Mills capturing that photograph, and there was this pool
Speaker 3: of four or five photographers there at the base of
Speaker 3: the stage in Butler, Pennsylvania. You saw those photographers scramble
Speaker 3: to capture some truly iconic, disturbing and iconic images of
Speaker 3: the former president as he fell to the ground and
Speaker 3: was surrounded by members of the Secret Service. We're looking
Speaker 3: ahead to Milwaukee, but before we get there, we have
Speaker 3: to stop in Washington, DC. That is where this hour
Speaker 3: present Biden's scheduled to be brief once again by law
Speaker 3: enforcement and Homeland security officials on what's happened in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 3: the status of that investigation, but also sort of what
Speaker 3: this means politically, what this means for the country culturally.
Speaker 3: These are paramount questions. So we moved to the start
Speaker 3: at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee tomorrow time.
Speaker 2: And David, before we get to Hedrona, she's in the
Speaker 2: airport in Pittsburgh and we'll capture her before she heads
Speaker 2: off to Milwaukee. The Sunday talk shows, of which Bloomberg
Speaker 2: Radio has been committed to well over a decade. We'll
Speaker 2: have four hours of the talk shows for you starting
Speaker 2: at eleven am here in fifty eight minutes about them.
Speaker 2: They are a settling point. I'm going to be blunt
Speaker 2: for the elites of America. You've lived it, you've done them.
Speaker 2: What is the impact of these Sunday talk shows among
Speaker 2: the Beltway crew this morning as they adjust to Milwaukee.
Speaker 3: And then Chicago, Well, having lived it, no night is
Speaker 3: longer than Saturday night going into one of these shows,
Speaker 3: particularly if news happens, and we haven't seen news like
Speaker 3: this obviously in some time. But I know that Margaret Brennan,
Speaker 3: the host to Face the Nation, has been candid about
Speaker 3: this with you on air.
Speaker 1: As well.
Speaker 3: The shows try their best to get the most salient
Speaker 3: comments from guests, the best guests that they can get
Speaker 3: for that Sunday morning, and we see that in terms
Speaker 3: of who's on them. We're talking just a moment ago
Speaker 3: about the chairman of the RNC was on Fox News
Speaker 3: Sunday talking about plans for Milwaukee. We know that Chris Coons,
Speaker 3: the Senator from Delaware, a close friend and confidante of
Speaker 3: President Joe Biden, is going to be on Meet the
Speaker 3: Press this morning. I'm very interested to hear what he
Speaker 3: has to say, yes about the state of that campaign,
Speaker 3: the state of his friend Joe Biden, who one can
Speaker 3: only imagine has been shaken by what's happened here as well,
Speaker 3: and what the Democratic Party's plans are going forward here
Speaker 3: as they really have no choice but to watch what
Speaker 3: unfolds in Milwaukee over these next few days.
Speaker 2: In the mountains of western Pennsylvania and the Appalachia of Coal,
Speaker 2: which is David mentioned, used to be turned into steel
Speaker 2: a little bit still today, there is one lonely plateau
Speaker 2: and they decided to plan an airport on top of it.
Speaker 2: It's really challenging, to say the least pit is a
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh airport and there Heydrian Loewencren joins us right now
Speaker 2: of course with Bloomberg News, our White House correspondent. Hey, Joan,
Speaker 2: what you learned in the last hour, Well, well.
Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me on here. You know, again,
Speaker 4: as you mentioned when looking ahead to Milwaukee, we just
Speaker 4: received a memo from the Trump campaign that they were
Speaker 4: panting arms to come. And you know what's also you
Speaker 4: know that we're investigating is what will happen to future
Speaker 4: big outdoor events like this. How will these types of
Speaker 4: rallies continue? How will campaign and continue? You know, And
Speaker 4: as you mentioned, we have people up on guests, lawmakers,
Speaker 4: people in charge of the R and C on all
Speaker 4: these talk shows. Everyone is figuring this out for the
Speaker 4: first time. But the security at the convention, who the
Speaker 4: VP is, What it means to have a VP in
Speaker 4: terms of someone who is able to take on the
Speaker 4: job of the president should something like this happen across
Speaker 4: both parties is something that we're chasing right now.
Speaker 3: Tom Hendrian is hitting on something that I've thought a
Speaker 3: lot about, having read presidential memoirs before political memoirs, there
Speaker 3: is this very sobering moment if you're picked to be
Speaker 3: the vice presidential nominee. With that comes the immediate onslaught
Speaker 3: of having a security apparatus surround you, and with that,
Speaker 3: I think an awareness of the fact that you were
Speaker 3: doing something that could potentially have great personal peril. And
Speaker 3: of course that was in stark relief last night in
Speaker 3: Western Pennsylvania Heydron. Let me get back to something you
Speaker 3: said just a moment ago, which is the importance of
Speaker 3: these rallies to this campaign. And I think, looking back
Speaker 3: on twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, to some extent, although
Speaker 3: we had the pandemic interceding, this is stock in trade
Speaker 3: for Donald Trump. He loves to do these big events.
Speaker 3: He had fifteen thousand people in that field in Western
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania yesterday. What would it mean if, pushing ahead to
Speaker 3: November after this convention, there is shall we say, a
Speaker 3: reduced interest in doing big events like this. I'm struck
Speaker 3: by what we were all talking about. Going into that
Speaker 3: debate in Atlanta a few weeks ago. There was some
Speaker 3: speculation among the chattering class that that format wasn't going
Speaker 3: to serve Donald Trump well because there wouldn't be an audience,
Speaker 3: he wouldn't be able to fall nade and have the
Speaker 3: warm reception of those who had gathered in the crowd.
Speaker 3: I think an actual fact, he played it pretty well.
Speaker 3: He didn't need that audience, and he stayed very focused
Speaker 3: and very disciplined. What does it mean for this campaign if,
Speaker 3: as you suggest, there could be a moment here now
Speaker 3: where it becomes unpalatable or unadvised or not interesting to
Speaker 3: this campaign to have those kind of big crowds and
Speaker 3: big events that have had for the last two times we've
Speaker 3: mounted a presidential campaign.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has right.
Speaker 4: So, as you just mentioned, the rallies have been a
Speaker 4: huge part, and Trump thrives off of the audience there,
Speaker 4: but he is able to do more. First of all,
Speaker 4: of course, he already has the ID, the name recognition.
Speaker 4: This is something we were thinking about a while ago
Speaker 4: when all of the indictments came about and we weren't
Speaker 4: sure to what extent he would be locked in the courtroom.
Speaker 4: As we all know, in when he was in New York,
Speaker 4: he was able to have some smaller events, still pulling
Speaker 4: in the press, still keeping the attention on him. So
Speaker 4: he's definitely able to kind of work around. It's something
Speaker 4: else that's been really big social media. He is on
Speaker 4: truth Social his platform frequently and a lot of other
Speaker 4: people are tapped into that. So he is still finding
Speaker 4: so many other channels to communicate with his base. And
Speaker 4: not to mention, rallies are expensive, you know. Right now
Speaker 4: he has actually kind of caught up with Biden in
Speaker 4: the money race, succeeded it, even exceeded him even but
Speaker 4: before that, when our reporting was showing that rallies were
Speaker 4: a big source of a money drain from him, and
Speaker 4: so this could be something that cost affected as well.
Speaker 2: Safe travels Hedrio on the Lauren kren.
Speaker 1: The trade table, the plane and stow the trade table.
Speaker 1: She's got to get to Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: Butler Pennsylvania, to Pittsburgh and on to Milwaukee, or she
Speaker 2: will assist in our coverts Joe Matthew and Kaylee Linzier
Speaker 2: look for their coverage tonight if five pm across all
Speaker 2: that we're doing. One of the great rules. And the
Speaker 2: first time I ever ran into this, folks, was in
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. I honestly can't remember if it was conquered.
Speaker 2: I'll say it was Manchester. One of the most interesting
Speaker 2: hotels in the world is the Radison Hotel in Madison
Speaker 2: where there's a rotunda, and a million years ago we
Speaker 2: were all there doing the political thing that you do
Speaker 2: in the New Hampster primary, and I looked at everybody's
Speaker 2: cell phone, which probably done was a Pom Pilot, and
Speaker 2: everyone was looking at this new thing called Politico. Ah,
Speaker 2: there is something about being weaned at Politico which makes
Speaker 2: you a different reporter. Nancy Cook for years of Politico
Speaker 2: and institution there, and we are thrilled that she is
Speaker 2: our senior national correspondent this morning.
Speaker 3: Good friend of the show, friend of mine as well.
Speaker 1: Nancy. Great to speak with you.
Speaker 3: Yes, weaned it at Politico, raised here at Bloomberg where
Speaker 3: she covered that the treup campaign, all four years of it. Nancy,
Speaker 3: you and I have been talking a lot about the
Speaker 3: way that Donald Trump has been waging this particular campaign,
Speaker 3: about the role that Susie Wiles has been playing, about
Speaker 3: his advisor's ability to keep him focused, keep him talking
Speaker 3: about what they think the American public wants to hear, about,
Speaker 3: getting him to suppress some of the things that he,
Speaker 3: let's just say it, likes to talk about and focus on.
Speaker 3: How much confidence do you have in their ability to
Speaker 3: keep to be listening very closely to what he has
Speaker 3: to say whenever he says it. After this attack yesterday,
Speaker 3: but do you have confidence that that has staying power.
Speaker 3: There are emphasis that they've placed to him that he needs.
Speaker 1: To stay focused.
Speaker 16: I think that what happened last night, which was terrifying
Speaker 16: and tragic, you know, just objectively, we'll focus him even more.
Speaker 16: He is going to head into the Republican National Convention
Speaker 16: in Milwaukee, where I am right now, I think, with
Speaker 16: such a sense of purpose and such a clear message
Speaker 16: that you know his enemies are after him. This is
Speaker 16: going to turn him into even more of a movement figure.
Speaker 16: It's going to give his supporters even more of a
Speaker 16: sense of him as a fighter, and it has really,
Speaker 16: i think, rallied the country around him, because of course,
Speaker 16: no one wants this type of political violence, and we've
Speaker 16: seen already the Biden campaign saying they're going to pull
Speaker 16: down that ads. You know, they're going to go dark
Speaker 16: for a little while. So this really gives Trump, i think,
Speaker 16: foremost of the week the stage, and I think that
Speaker 16: he will be very disciplined and understand how to use
Speaker 16: this moment, because regardless of what you think of him,
Speaker 16: he does have excellent political instincts.
Speaker 3: Nancy, I want to ask you about five seconds in
Speaker 3: what happened yesterday, not when he was shot and when
Speaker 3: he fell to the floor, but what we were talking
Speaker 3: about with Jean Zay now, just just a moment ago.
Speaker 3: That is the moment he stands up and raises his
Speaker 3: fist and says fight to the crowd. There was an
Speaker 3: incredible wherewithal of that, an awareness of the fact that, look,
Speaker 3: the unthinkable had happened. He'd been forced to the floor,
Speaker 3: He's bleeding out of his right ear, and yet there
Speaker 3: is this quintessential Donald Trumpian awareness of the fact that
Speaker 3: he is, yes, surrounded by those fifteen thousand people. Perhaps
Speaker 3: he saw Doug Mills there with his camera and others,
Speaker 3: but he grasped the importance and lasting significance of that
Speaker 3: moment and wanting to share in the way that he
Speaker 3: so clearly has during the course of his political career
Speaker 3: and business career before that.
Speaker 16: Absolutely, and the image that was taken of that moment
Speaker 16: with him with his sister rais above. There's blood streaming
Speaker 16: down his face, his right ear is bloody, and there's
Speaker 16: an American flag sort of waving behind him as he's
Speaker 16: surrounded by Secret Service agents is iconic now, and it's
Speaker 16: iconic sort of in the country. But you also saw
Speaker 16: a lot of senators yesterday and Republicans and all these
Speaker 16: people sharing it on social media and sort of more
Speaker 16: evidence of what a fighter he is. And to me,
Speaker 16: they were talking about, you know, the fact that he
Speaker 16: survived the thirty four felony convictions, two impeachment trials, you know,
Speaker 16: an assassination attempt for his supporters just adds to the
Speaker 16: lore of like what he is able to overcome and
Speaker 16: his resiliency.
Speaker 2: What is his dynamic right now with the Republican middle
Speaker 2: in the grind of doing Bloomberg surveillance, Nancy. This has
Speaker 2: been a constant and theme the loyalists, as we saw
Speaker 2: in Butler, Pennsylvania. They're not going to budget, They're going
Speaker 2: to be completely engaged. But what is a relationship now
Speaker 2: versus four years ago of former President Trump with a
Speaker 2: Republican middle.
Speaker 16: I think that the relationship between him and the Republican
Speaker 16: middle is still a little tricky. We have seen white
Speaker 16: suburban women, for instance, still not come back to support him,
Speaker 16: and so I think just politically, the gamble that they're
Speaker 16: trying to make for this election is you know, even
Speaker 16: if you can't get white suburban women, let's say, to
Speaker 16: vote for you, they are going after voters who typically
Speaker 16: do not vote Republican. They're going after younger black men,
Speaker 16: They're going after Hispanics. We're seeing polling shows that Hispanics
Speaker 16: are really turning back towards Trump. And so they're trying
Speaker 16: to actually like build a new coalition for this election.
Speaker 16: And it may work, it may not, but that is
Speaker 16: their strategy.
Speaker 2: Nancy Cook, thank you so much for the generous time
Speaker 2: today as you prepare for your work in Milwaukee. Nancy Cook,
Speaker 2: Senior National corresponded. It is a joint out a turn
Speaker 2: to Greg Valier of New Hampshire, understanding that he referred
Speaker 2: in Sacramento Ronald Reagan outside the Hilton Hotel. I would
Speaker 2: make a joke of James Garfield in eighteen eighty one,
Speaker 2: but that was just before you know that you were
Speaker 2: the only one before Greg. It is an American curse,
Speaker 2: this assassination and assassination surviving. I should say as well,
Speaker 2: your thoughts of how Donald Trump will.
Speaker 17: Change, Wow, this is a huge event for him. Tom
Speaker 17: Good to be with you, not under these circumstances but
Speaker 17: I do think that for Trump, this is going to
Speaker 17: be a defining moment. I think he has an opportunity
Speaker 17: to become an icon. The photo will become iconic. And
Speaker 17: you got to say, Donald Trump is the clear, clear
Speaker 17: favorite to win the election.
Speaker 3: Greg picking up on that, and we've asked a number
Speaker 3: of folks about the secret to get your perspective on
Speaker 3: it as well. What does he have to say on Thursday?
Speaker 3: What would you like to hear him say on Thursday?
Speaker 3: How does he acknowledge what's happened? How does he move
Speaker 3: us the country forward?
Speaker 17: I think he needs to lower the temperature, David, and
Speaker 17: he has been, ironically in the last few weeks lowered
Speaker 17: the been lowering the temperature a bit. So I think
Speaker 17: he needs to be magnanimous. He needs to tone it down,
Speaker 17: and if he does, he picks up that last group
Speaker 17: that he needs that you guys were just talking about,
Speaker 17: and that's the moderate centrist voters. I think he has
Speaker 17: a chance now to win them as well.
Speaker 3: Tom asking about what happened in the seventies, those two
Speaker 3: attempts on Gerald Ford, which happened in pretty quick succession,
Speaker 3: there was a degree to which we were I won't say,
Speaker 3: we were inured to it, but this was a more
Speaker 3: regular thing. And then we've had this lapse, and we've
Speaker 3: talked about what happened to Steve Scalize, We've talked about
Speaker 3: what happened to Gabrielle Gifford's, but no targeting of presidents
Speaker 3: or presidential candidates in many decades. This is novelty territory
Speaker 3: or a territory that we haven't trod in some time.
Speaker 3: What do we signal to you culturally that we're here again.
Speaker 17: Well, we can't relax. I mean, we still have to
Speaker 17: worry about these types of threats. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 17: people have said this morning to you guys, you know,
Speaker 17: a quarter of an inch and we'd be having a
Speaker 17: totally different conversation. I think there's also going to have
Speaker 17: to be a really tough scrutiny of security around Trump.
Speaker 17: A lot of people saw this guy with a rifle
Speaker 17: and nobody took him out, and I think that's going
Speaker 17: to have to be explored.
Speaker 2: I look, Greg Vellier at the scope of this, and
Speaker 2: I am wedded to the tradition that you and I
Speaker 2: grew up with. GIRs far too young to remember this,
Speaker 2: But essentially we have modern conventions that are constructed media events,
Speaker 2: to stagger to a film opportunity to run tape in
Speaker 2: October and into November. Did that equation change last yesterday
Speaker 2: yesterday evening a bit.
Speaker 17: I have to say, just to reiterate, I think this
Speaker 17: makes Trump an iconic figure. The blood streaming down his face,
Speaker 17: the defiant fist clench. I mean, this is going to
Speaker 17: be the image that we'll see between now in November
Speaker 17: fifth and it, barring something extraordinary, some huge gas by Trump,
Speaker 17: He's going to win well.
Speaker 2: And both of you weigh in here, David Ger, I'm
Speaker 2: going to go to you first of all. And there's
Speaker 2: people that have written speeches for presidents. Do you actually
Speaker 2: believe that Donald Trump as a speech writer or is
Speaker 2: he going to add lib this is only he can do.
Speaker 3: I go back to what we were talking about with Nancy.
Speaker 3: I'm eager for Greg to jump in here as well.
Speaker 3: I just feel like, and my sense is from all
Speaker 3: that I've read and heard from Nancy and others, that
Speaker 3: this campaign is more professional than past campaigns that Donald
Speaker 3: Trump has waged. He has folks running it who are experienced,
Speaker 3: more than competent, and again very professional, and so to
Speaker 3: answer your question. Who knows how much he will add
Speaker 3: lib be extemporaneous. We know that he likes to do that,
Speaker 3: but I think that he has the structure in place
Speaker 3: in this campaign to guide him in delivering a speech
Speaker 3: that will be effective and effectively capture this moment. Greg,
Speaker 3: I'd love to hear from you if you feel that the
Speaker 3: same way that this just it feels different than it
Speaker 3: did the.
Speaker 1: Last two times.
Speaker 17: Absolutely, David. I was just going to make the point
Speaker 17: that I think the campaign already was doing well before
Speaker 17: this incident yesterday. They had toned it down, they got
Speaker 17: a sharper edge, They have top people running the campaign,
Speaker 17: So he was the front runner clearly even before what
Speaker 17: happened yesterday.
Speaker 3: I've had a number of these conversations Tom, with people
Speaker 3: who support the former president and don't talking about the debate. Yes,
Speaker 3: we focused a lot on the way that Joe Biden
Speaker 3: has comported himself during the course of that disastrous debate
Speaker 3: for him. And then there are people who don't like
Speaker 3: the former president and say, oh, but if he lied
Speaker 3: all these times, how can you ignore that? I think Tom,
Speaker 3: picking up on what Greg was saying, there there was
Speaker 3: a a focus and an awareness of the space and
Speaker 3: the forum for that debate that I think exemplifies what
Speaker 3: Greg and I have been talking about here. That is
Speaker 3: just just an awareness of what he needs to do
Speaker 3: to wage this campaign effectively.
Speaker 2: Greg Valier, this seminal event here of the next forty
Speaker 2: eight hours is a vice president for is my recall
Speaker 2: a seventy eight year old wounded former president. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to you know, I don't need theater
Speaker 2: here of like how is the vice presidential choice? Change?
Speaker 2: But it's ever more important now after what we've witnessed.
Speaker 17: Absolutely, the realities are stark right now. So I think
Speaker 17: he's got to pick somebody with experience, someone who can
Speaker 17: step in immediately. It almost has to be, in my mind,
Speaker 17: Marco Rubio. But I've been wrong before, I could be
Speaker 17: wrong again.
Speaker 2: How could he do that with two people from Florida?
Speaker 17: Rubio moves, Rubio gets a condo in DC or New
Speaker 17: York whatever that you know, don't forget Carl roaft Nook,
Speaker 17: who is the running the running mate.
Speaker 2: That's okay, Greb. You're allowed to have brain freezes on
Speaker 2: Bloomber surveillance a daily basis.
Speaker 17: Dick Cheney, I'm sorry, so Dick Cheney did the same thing.
Speaker 17: He changed his residency, and nobody said very much about it.
Speaker 3: When you look at what the president former president is considering.
Speaker 3: And here's where I'll draw the contrast. We've talked a
Speaker 3: lot about this tweet from Jdvans last night, drawing this
Speaker 3: direct line to what he says is Joe Biden's rhetoric
Speaker 3: and what happened to Donald Trump last night. Does that
Speaker 3: affect this in any way, this person's approach to what
Speaker 3: happened yesterday, or you know, does this go beyond that?
Speaker 8: Is?
Speaker 3: Give us your sense, give us a great value, a
Speaker 3: sense of what Donald Trump wants, what Donald Trump needs
Speaker 3: in a running running mate this time.
Speaker 17: I think if he wants to go for comfort, he
Speaker 17: ghosts for the North Dakota Senator Burgham. I think they
Speaker 17: get along very well. They're both on the same wavelength.
Speaker 17: But Burgham has no name recognition, and I think you've
Speaker 17: got to get somebody with the name recognition. Again, if
Speaker 17: you want somebody with a good background in geopolitics, for
Speaker 17: somebody who really knows how Washington works, Rubio is the
Speaker 17: logical choice.
Speaker 2: What about Nikki Haley, Terry Haynes and others? Have said
Speaker 2: to us that this is a point. You know, if
Speaker 2: you say I'm more presidential, Donald Trump would be more political.
Speaker 2: You know, go back to Harold Stassen. You're the only ones, Greg,
Speaker 2: you and I are the only ones who know who
Speaker 2: Harold Statsen is. But is this a point where we
Speaker 2: see Trump? Haley?
Speaker 17: No, you got to say Tom that she doesn't like him,
Speaker 17: he doesn't like her. They do not get along. I
Speaker 17: would be very surprised if she said yes, I don't.
Speaker 17: I've not heard anything about her being credited. That would
Speaker 17: be a big upset.
Speaker 2: Greg Valier, thank you for the time. Allway's generous with
Speaker 2: us with AGF investments. Really the first morning note honest, David, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Picking up on what we were just talking about there.
Speaker 3: I was down in Atlanta covering that debate, and there
Speaker 3: has been this very showman like aspect to this selection process,
Speaker 3: and so leading up to that debate and afterward when
Speaker 3: the surrogates flooded the floor of the spin room, Nikki
Speaker 3: Haley absent from all of that. But you did see
Speaker 3: Doug Burgham, you saw Tim Scott, you saw jd Vance
Speaker 3: on the floor there. So it seems clear to me
Speaker 3: that would be a real sleeper pick from Donald Trump
Speaker 3: if he picks that, Nick Kaily, others have been kind
Speaker 3: of brought out, trumpeted out, trotted out to be shown
Speaker 3: to the public here leading up to this decision.
Speaker 2: We are now going to turn to a difficult topic
Speaker 2: and we are going to do it respect for his
Speaker 2: public service to those of the Pentagon in the CIA.
Speaker 2: McK mulroy, I think I spoke to him in the
Speaker 2: last seventy two hours. Make I honestly can't remember all
Speaker 2: sorts of accolades here that you have done. But one
Speaker 2: of those acolloids is to actually hold a weapon in
Speaker 2: your hands and feel the pressure. I'm not talking about
Speaker 2: a twenty two or even some form of societal pistol.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about whatever was alleged to be used as
Speaker 2: a rifle in this attempted assassination. How accurate is the
Speaker 2: reported AK style AR style excuse me ar style and
Speaker 2: your professional ability, Mick in the military. How accurate can
Speaker 2: an AR style rifle be scope or no scope from
Speaker 2: that distance?
Speaker 5: So good to be with you, Tom and David after
Speaker 5: this horrible event. Essentially, an AR fifteen is the civilian
Speaker 5: equivalent to an M sixteen R M four, So the
Speaker 5: same weapons that are carried in the US military and
Speaker 5: the CIA. It's the same. It just has a few modifications,
Speaker 5: like it cannot shoot a three round verse, for example,
Speaker 5: but essentially you don't need that anyway. So it is
Speaker 5: designed to be incredibly accurate by people who quite frankly,
Speaker 5: are at the basic level of the army or the
Speaker 5: Marine Corps. And I can tell you, as a former
Speaker 5: marine that the average marine could make this shot without
Speaker 5: optics almost any day. And I don't mean that trumpet anything.
Speaker 5: I'm just it's not one hundred and fifty yards away
Speaker 5: from an elevated position with a direct line of sight.
Speaker 5: So it is just luck, I think. And I don't
Speaker 5: know if this individual had any training or his background,
Speaker 5: but I think it's just luck that it didn't kill
Speaker 5: former President Trump.
Speaker 2: This was a source of conversation at the dining room
Speaker 2: table last night, and what I said to one of
Speaker 2: the cherubs was you have to have a quiet when
Speaker 2: firing a rifle for accuracy, and most of us, including me,
Speaker 2: David Gera, and a twenty year old lost in western Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: don't have that quiet. I mean, basically, the reason President
Speaker 2: Trump is live is because an amateur held a weapon,
Speaker 2: you were professional in am I close there?
Speaker 5: It could be yes, it could be that. It could
Speaker 5: be that there was, you know, augusta wind that happened
Speaker 5: at the last second that I don't know, but the
Speaker 5: prone position which apparently he was in with that style
Speaker 5: of weapon in AAR fifteen, which is very accurate. I
Speaker 5: am assuming he had optics because they're almost everywhere now,
Speaker 5: But even with iron sights, it's not a difficult shot.
Speaker 5: So I think even a person who had never shot before,
Speaker 5: within a half a day of training could have made
Speaker 5: that shot quite frankly. And I do believe it was
Speaker 5: just luck or something else happened that intervened. He slipped,
Speaker 5: he was spotted. I don't know. Oh yeah, obviously was
Speaker 5: taking a headshot. Most people would have tried to shoot
Speaker 5: for you know, mid torso, but I don't know. I
Speaker 5: don't want to get too into low, but it's just
Speaker 5: not it is not that difficult to show well. And
Speaker 5: as brave as a secret service was that got up
Speaker 5: there and covered him, this was a big breakdown insecurity.
Speaker 5: There should not have been somebody on a route at
Speaker 5: that location. There should have been some kind of law
Speaker 5: enforcement presence at that location just a few hundred.
Speaker 3: Feet away from the stage there in Butler, Pennsylvania. And
Speaker 3: you're right in pointing out and make I mean, there's a
Speaker 3: lot we don't know here, a wide vacuum of information
Speaker 3: that presumably will be filled in the coming days, and
Speaker 3: were hearing that they'll be hearings with Secret Service leadership
Speaker 3: as well. Nick, I want to ask you about political
Speaker 3: violence and what this signals for you.
Speaker 1: And we've talked a lot about.
Speaker 3: Historical precedent here analogs throughout modern history, and how there
Speaker 3: was a relative calm at least when it comes to
Speaker 3: assassinations of for attempted assassinations of political figures. How do
Speaker 3: you see this changing that? What do you say to
Speaker 3: somebody who watches what's happened here and fears greatly that
Speaker 3: this itself may have been an isolated incidant, but what's
Speaker 3: been at play here could snowball further.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's safe to say there we're seeing
Speaker 5: a rise of both extremes, both on the far left
Speaker 5: and the far right, and not only a rise in
Speaker 5: violent rhetoric, but the capacity to do violence, so arming
Speaker 5: themselves both sides. A lot of these groups are looking
Speaker 5: for a reason, right They are looking for a cause
Speaker 5: to get behind to do things that would promote their
Speaker 5: political agenda as extreme as it is based on some
Speaker 5: kind of impetus. This could be an impetus. We don't
Speaker 5: know what this individual's motivation was. He was he doing
Speaker 5: it for political reasons or was he just mentally disturbed
Speaker 5: and thought that this was going to somehow get him
Speaker 5: some attention. I don't know, but it doesn't probably doesn't
Speaker 5: matter to those extremist groups that we're looking for a reason.
Speaker 5: So I believe the FBI that the hs AND is
Speaker 5: going to be looking for talk right now, Chatter on
Speaker 5: a lot of these alternative social media sites that are
Speaker 5: used about some kind of retaliation of who they'd retaliate against.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but logic might not rule the day here.
Speaker 5: I think this is an indication of what has been
Speaker 5: growing and we've seen all sorts of political violence, including
Speaker 5: January sixth, and this could be the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 5: It could be something that creates a cascading Hopefully that
Speaker 5: doesn't happen. I'm sure that people are worried about that.
Speaker 3: Let me pull a thread there, because I heard Juliet
Speaker 3: Kim at the Kennedy School on CNN yesterday talking about
Speaker 3: how in a situation like this, the motive is rarely
Speaker 3: clear cut. You look back on what happened with Reagan,
Speaker 3: for example, can you comment on that just sort of
Speaker 3: the work that will be undertaken here to find out
Speaker 3: what that motive is. Again, there's a lot of sort
Speaker 3: of basic investigative work that needs to happen here about
Speaker 3: the security breakdown and all of that. But when we
Speaker 3: get down to figuring out who this person was, what
Speaker 3: made him tick, and why he did that, how complicated
Speaker 3: a process is that? And conversely, what's that likely to
Speaker 3: show about the complicatedness of that individual.
Speaker 5: Sure, so I think there's two parts i'd highlight For that. One,
Speaker 5: people are going to use whatever they want for their
Speaker 5: reasoning behind why this individual did what they did. Social
Speaker 5: media is now everywhere in our adversaries see it and
Speaker 5: they just magnify it. So if somebody spreads the rumor
Speaker 5: that this person was, you know, a political opponent of
Speaker 5: president former president Trump and he did this for a
Speaker 5: little more, that's going to get out there pretty quick.
Speaker 5: And the Russians and Chinese and the Iranians are going
Speaker 5: to spread it. It's just a fact. But you are right,
Speaker 5: there are many reasons you reference the President Reagan's attempted assassination.
Speaker 5: That person was doing it to impress a movie actress.
Speaker 5: Right had nothing to do for my memory political but
Speaker 5: and if that's the case here, it needs to come
Speaker 5: out relatively quick. It certainly wouldn't make it any better necessarily,
Speaker 5: but hopefully it would diffuse this idea that if it
Speaker 5: was something that came from the far left, that the
Speaker 5: far right needs to respond. Hopefully that is not the
Speaker 5: case either way, whether it is just a one off,
Speaker 5: disturbed individual or even if this person had some kind
Speaker 5: of more political motive, it needs to be quelled, and
Speaker 5: I think it really needs to be quelled by joint
Speaker 5: statements political leadership, individual state.
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Speaker 3: David pivotal moment for this country. At this very moment,
Speaker 3: President Bien expected to meet with his law enforcement team
Speaker 3: homeland security team to get another briefing on that investigation.
Speaker 3: Merrick Garland is going to be there. We know that
Speaker 3: this investigation, which at first was being handled by the
Speaker 3: Secret Service, of course overseeing that event yesterday Butler Pennsylvania
Speaker 3: in Western Pennsylvania, that baton has been passed to the FBI,
Speaker 3: and Mark Carland, the Attorney General, has talked about how
Speaker 3: no resource will be spared to get to the heart
Speaker 3: of this. Secretary of Homeland Security will be there as
Speaker 3: well aslong with many members of President Biden's team. So
Speaker 3: we will not hear from President Biden until that briefing
Speaker 3: takes place. Perhaps we'll hear from HM later today, we
Speaker 3: hear from Joe Matthew in Wisconsin. Maybe we'll hear from
Speaker 3: the former president see the former president today as well.
Speaker 3: But we are in this vacuum where the investigation is
Speaker 3: still in its infancy. Tom law enforcement collecting all of
Speaker 3: that information all the while they are looking ahead to
Speaker 3: this critical event taking place in Wisconsin this week, and
Speaker 3: as we were discussing forty different law enforcementities preparing security for.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I guess it's going to be a one year,
Speaker 2: two year, three year thing, and we're going to learn
Speaker 2: that it's going to take more money to protect, whether
Speaker 2: it's those of our legislative branches and frankly at the
Speaker 2: state level as well. You wonder if there's going to
Speaker 2: be a budget sea change here, as frankly there was
Speaker 2: when Lincoln was assassinated in eighteen sixty five. To me,
Speaker 2: far more important is what do they do this afternoon
Speaker 2: or tomorrow. There has to be a change behavior going
Speaker 2: into these two conventions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know that the former president had a
Speaker 3: large Secret Service apparatus surrounding him, not as large as
Speaker 3: the current president. Just give them the fact that he's
Speaker 3: in the job and has a longer motorcade and more
Speaker 3: people in it and more vehicles, and it is well
Speaker 3: more security, But you know, what does it mean? And
Speaker 3: we've heard the calls in these recent hours for heightened
Speaker 3: security for Donald Trump, heightened security for RFK Junior as well.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have Secret Service protection at this point, and
Speaker 3: one can't help but look at him and his candidacy
Speaker 3: and think that, think of his history, his personal history.
Speaker 3: Of course, his father killed by an assassin in Los
Speaker 3: Angeles in the late sixties after he won the California primary.
Speaker 3: Something he didn't really want to get into on Fox
Speaker 3: News yesterday when he was interviewed. But something I think
Speaker 3: this top of mind to his supporters and others, is.
Speaker 2: Mick Malroy still with us? Mick, are you still there?
Speaker 13: I just yeah, Dom, I'm okay.
Speaker 2: I just you know, we're getting on in the show
Speaker 2: and I lose my bearings the interns. You know, the
Speaker 2: interns came in. I'd explain the interns. You're in the
Speaker 2: news business. Sunday's your New Monday. Mick Malroy again, thank
Speaker 2: you so much. With your military perspective. One of the
Speaker 2: shocks we have is a distance of this assassination attempt.
Speaker 2: Those of us of a certain vintage understand the distance
Speaker 2: is usually much shorter for our two presidents for President
Speaker 2: Byen former President Trump. How do people like you protect
Speaker 2: them at a short distance.
Speaker 5: So the short distance is you know, close up security,
Speaker 5: where there is both individuals that are obvious secret service
Speaker 5: you can see them with the sunglasses and the you know,
Speaker 5: the radio receiver in their ear. But there's also people
Speaker 5: that aren't obvious. They're wearing playing clothes. They're not necessarily
Speaker 5: somebody would expect your security because they have a different
Speaker 5: of the threats in the audience that that somebody who
Speaker 5: is obviously security wouldn't have. So you're going to have
Speaker 5: a combination of that. And then of course when it
Speaker 5: comes to an area like this, there has to be
Speaker 5: a complete survey of where the threat areas would be.
Speaker 5: And this, if you just look at the overhead imagery,
Speaker 5: this building would have been a significant threat, I think,
Speaker 5: and they should have done something. They should have had
Speaker 5: law enforcement on the roof, on the ground to prevent
Speaker 5: people from getting up there. They should have obstructed the
Speaker 5: line of sight from these areas to where the forum
Speaker 5: president was speaking. I mean, the investigation is new, but
Speaker 5: this is something that I think has already been pointed
Speaker 5: out by so many that just looked at this. So
Speaker 5: they're going to have to adjust the way they do
Speaker 5: these type events. Potentially no more outside events, and they
Speaker 5: might have to supplement the secret statement.
Speaker 2: Make David, this is important, no more outside events, just
Speaker 2: like it's stealing the process, it's stealing David Gura deck
Speaker 2: from us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and stealing what we know that Donald Trump likes
Speaker 3: to use as a real campaign tool. And MC, let
Speaker 3: me just ask you, as you looked at this event,
Speaker 3: fifteen thousand people in this field in western Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: You, of course, I'm sure, are aware.
Speaker 3: Of what we heard from Donald Trump when he was
Speaker 3: the president about his attitude towards security. Remember well what
Speaker 3: he said on January the sixth that he didn't need
Speaker 3: metal detectors for those supporters who are going to show
Speaker 3: up on the National mall. How do you react just
Speaker 3: to the security challenges of an event like this in isolation,
Speaker 3: but also just a string of them.
Speaker 2: I confess this.
Speaker 3: I watched this yesterday. I thought, you know, how long
Speaker 3: was this in the works? How firm a grass did
Speaker 3: they have on how many people were going to turn out?
Speaker 3: I imagine doing security. Setting up a security plan and
Speaker 3: executing it for an event like this is difficult under
Speaker 3: any circumstances. But in a campaign where this is regular
Speaker 3: and happening regularly and might be planned with not a
Speaker 3: ton of events, notice, must complicate things all the more.
Speaker 5: Absolutely so, I think It's important to point out just
Speaker 5: the effort that the Secret Service has to do to
Speaker 5: be able to protect both the presidential candidate and the
Speaker 5: president at the same time during the campaign season in
Speaker 5: a country that quite frankly is a wash with weapons.
Speaker 5: I mean, the AR fifteen is essentially ubiquitous across the
Speaker 5: United States, especially where I am in Montana. So this
Speaker 5: is a you know, and I'm talking the political aspects
Speaker 5: of gun ownership here, I'm just talking the cold hard
Speaker 5: sense of security. When people have access to these weapons
Speaker 5: and then you have an outside event, it makes it
Speaker 5: extraordinarily difficult for a security protective detail like the Secret
Speaker 5: Service to do their job. It's just it's different than
Speaker 5: any other country where this would occur. So there would
Speaker 5: be an advanced team. They would scout out how they
Speaker 5: were going to do security, to cover the danger zones,
Speaker 5: where he'd come in, where he'd go out, where they'd
Speaker 5: have their quick reaction for stage, to where the nearest
Speaker 5: hospital is. These are all things that they do everywhere
Speaker 5: they take the president, designated presidential candidate, somebody who's won
Speaker 5: the nomination of the party or the president, of course,
Speaker 5: and it's only going to get more intense it just
Speaker 5: goes on. I mean, we're seeing an uptick in these
Speaker 5: events from both candidates, and I don't see it, you know, reducing.
Speaker 5: I do think it'd be a shame that the democracy
Speaker 5: would be hampered. But from the security point of view,
Speaker 5: I think they're going to recommend they might not follow
Speaker 5: their recommendation no more outside events. It is just difficult
Speaker 5: to cover every you know, area that has a direct
Speaker 5: line of sights. I mean this this weapon system, by
Speaker 5: the way, they are fifteen can you can shoot somebody
Speaker 5: at five hundred yards? The average marine going through Paris
Speaker 5: Island gets taught to shoot somebody with iron sights at
Speaker 5: five hundred yards, right, so three times distants where this
Speaker 5: individual shots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is valuable. McK morroy, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for the perspective earned in his public service to the
Speaker 2: nation in the military. David, that's the most sobering common
Speaker 2: I've heard of all this, And again it's what we've
Speaker 2: always done in surveillance over the years here at Bloomberg,
Speaker 2: is to talk to people who actually know what they're
Speaker 2: talking about. Yes, the Western gopre Genie she and you know,
Speaker 2: and all of her work and the turmoil of Northeastern Politics.
Speaker 2: Wendy Schiller up at Brown with a definitive civics text buckets.
Speaker 2: You know, Mick talk like that is that's extraordinary knowledge.
Speaker 3: I continue to watch all of this unfold. We were
Speaker 3: talking about the importance of these Sunday shows today. Senator
Speaker 3: Lindsey Graham is on Meet the Press now, addressing some
Speaker 3: of what we've been discussing, says he plans to talk
Speaker 3: to the former president today. Talked a bit about the
Speaker 3: convention and what to expect, talked about the President's VP pick.
Speaker 3: He said, quote, today underscores why that's an important pick.
Speaker 3: He wants somebody that is ready on day one, that
Speaker 3: can help him win, that can help him.
Speaker 1: Grow the map.
Speaker 3: And then I was struck by this, Lindsey Graham nodding
Speaker 3: to his colleagues across the aisle for their good wishes,
Speaker 3: wishes of good health for the former president, saying quote,
Speaker 3: I think the Republican base at Doris President Trump, there
Speaker 3: is going to be a lot of love coming this way.
Speaker 3: But I'm glad to see my Democratic colleagues saying really
Speaker 3: good things. And you know, this is a moment where
Speaker 3: America has been traumatized and it's good to see. That's
Speaker 3: something else that we've been talking off a lot about
Speaker 3: this morning, Tom, just how to condemn what's happened here
Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania and how to move forward perhaps change that
Speaker 3: political climate.
Speaker 2: We prepare across all of Bloomberg for Balance of Power
Speaker 2: tonight at five pm from Milwaukee, led by Kayleie Lines
Speaker 2: helping out as well Joe Matthew, and we're thrilled to
Speaker 2: Joe Matthew from Milwaukee as well. Joe, should we hear
Speaker 2: from President Trump today?
Speaker 14: That's a great question. I think that it would probably
Speaker 14: not be a surprise if we did. Getting him in
Speaker 14: front of a camera coming down the stairs from that
Speaker 14: airplane last night was not a lot. They need to
Speaker 14: have some sort of presentation for people to get a
Speaker 14: sense of how he's fealing beyond a written statement here,
Speaker 14: so we're all waiting for this. We'll include a running
Speaker 14: mate announcement as he appeared today with his vice presidential pit.
Speaker 14: Think these are some of the questions that we're asking,
Speaker 14: and so much of this has been political in our
Speaker 14: conversation here, but I'm deeply curious to see where we're
Speaker 14: going with this secret service in terms of security details.
Speaker 14: For not only Donald Trump, but also RFK Junior, who
Speaker 14: had previous year requested enhanced security and was denied. And
Speaker 14: the big part of the conversation that you're referring to
Speaker 14: on these Sunday morning shows has been promises of hearings
Speaker 14: and investigations to find out exactly why that person was
Speaker 14: able to get in the physition that he was in
Speaker 14: right now, and what protocol should follow for presidential candidates
Speaker 14: or for the president himself. We have rarely found ourselves
Speaker 14: with so many unanswered questions going into such a massive
Speaker 14: news of it, like this Republican convention.
Speaker 3: Joe, I'm glad you go there, and we talked a
Speaker 3: bit about this with Henry T. Tree's a little earlier
Speaker 3: in the show. We're familiar with the reporting on the
Speaker 3: Secret Service.
Speaker 1: In recent years. There have been scandals.
Speaker 3: We think back on when Hillary Clinton went to South America.
Speaker 3: That an embarrassment I think more so than anything else,
Speaker 3: but of course raised concerns about her security while she
Speaker 3: was there. You, with your experience covering Washington from the
Speaker 3: anchor desk and around town as well, get us up
Speaker 3: to speed on the way that the Secret Service is
Speaker 3: regarded now. I think go back to something I was
Speaker 3: saying to Tom a little while ago. You watch what
Speaker 3: unfolded on that stage and can't help be impressed by
Speaker 3: that group of half dozen agents or so who encircled
Speaker 3: the president and made sure that he got off the
Speaker 3: stage safely. But this is an agency that has been
Speaker 3: beset with problems now for many years. So these calls
Speaker 3: for hearings, while maybe politically motivated, there is some grist
Speaker 3: for them. There's some real grist there, and there is
Speaker 3: some real concern just about the way this agency has
Speaker 3: been run in recent years.
Speaker 14: That's true, and the internal scandals that you're referring to
Speaker 14: never manifested themselves like this to an actual security concern,
Speaker 14: if not a breach of protocol. And I don't want
Speaker 14: to say that that's what it was, but we need
Speaker 14: to find out. And it's more broadly part of a
Speaker 14: bias against federal law enforcement. Hear so much about supporting
Speaker 14: the police, and you're going to hear that every day
Speaker 14: this week in Milwaukee, But they're talking about your local police,
Speaker 14: your state police. When it comes to the FBI. When
Speaker 14: it comes to the Secret Service, they are frequently looked
Speaker 14: at as bad guys, and particularly in the Republican sphere.
Speaker 14: This will not help. And it reminds me as well
Speaker 14: of repeated testimony that we heard over the past year
Speaker 14: from Christopher Ray, the head of the FBI. He said
Speaker 14: it in March, he said it in April, he said
Speaker 14: it again in June, that the terrorist threats have reached
Speaker 14: a whole other level where the words that he used
Speaker 14: in congrational testimony with specific worries about lone wolf terrorism
Speaker 14: that we just now witnessed in reality.
Speaker 3: Could you describe for us you're newly there in Milwaukee.
Speaker 3: We were talking a little bit about the security perimeter,
Speaker 3: what it's like, what it's likely to be like. I
Speaker 3: think back on my recent trip to Atlanta, all of
Speaker 3: the security that I had to go through just to
Speaker 3: get to this arena where.
Speaker 1: In fact, neither of the candidates was going to be.
Speaker 3: We were in the Georgia Tech Basketball Arena, sitting around
Speaker 3: the concourse watching the debate unfold on the jumbo tron,
Speaker 3: but there was still an awful lot of security to
Speaker 3: get through, big gauntlet for us to run through. I
Speaker 3: can only imagine that before this happened, there were stages
Speaker 3: upon stages of security that were set up. What does
Speaker 3: it look like, what's your understanding of what's likely to
Speaker 3: change here as you move ahead to Milwaukee?
Speaker 14: Well, all great questions, and some of this has yet
Speaker 14: to be announced. I'm in downtown Milwaukee right now, in
Speaker 14: an area where most major streets are closed, so you
Speaker 14: walk out of your hotel or the building that you're
Speaker 14: in and you just walk across the street without looking.
Speaker 14: It's a it's got a bit of a no man's
Speaker 14: landfeel to it here, and there are massive barriers like
Speaker 14: the type that you would see surrounding the Supreme Court
Speaker 14: or Capitol Hill that are snaking all throughout the city.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 14: There are a lot of places you simply can't go.
Speaker 14: I tried to get a coffee this morning and had
Speaker 14: to have a security guard actually open the gates for
Speaker 14: me to get out of the block. That's going to
Speaker 14: get worse. And look look at the past couple of
Speaker 14: conventions here, you had to walk a couple of miles
Speaker 14: to get in airport style security. It's really difficult, and
Speaker 14: this one's going to be hard, apparently what we've seen before.
Speaker 2: Tell us about the five o'clock show tonight, I mean,
Speaker 2: everything's been turned upside down, and you know you will
Speaker 2: have great balance of power conversation. But I mean, people
Speaker 2: are flying in right now. They're supposed to be down,
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm going to go, David to the convention.
Speaker 2: Not that you'd know anything about this, but you know,
Speaker 2: you get to a convention, you go to the bar.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what the people do. How do you
Speaker 2: go to the bar in Milwaukee, Joe Matthew, there's what
Speaker 2: eleven hundred delegates. What do they do now after this
Speaker 2: shock of their guy almost dying.
Speaker 14: Well, I can tell you they were still at the
Speaker 14: bar last night. It was just a very, very different
Speaker 14: feeling and it was pretty remarkable. I was out with
Speaker 14: Rick Davis and one of our producers. We got it late.
Speaker 14: We talked on the radio for a while, we went
Speaker 14: out to dinner even later. The restaurants were packed. Town
Speaker 14: is full. You can't get a hotel room. But there
Speaker 14: was not a celebration inside the restaurant. It's somber, and
Speaker 14: as I said earlier, there is genuinely a dark ceiling
Speaker 14: in Milwaukee. It's cloudy and it's been drizzling so far today.
Speaker 14: When you talk to people, people are kind of nodding
Speaker 14: at each other. Given a smile because there's just a
Speaker 14: fear in the air that's very difficult to quantify and describe.
Speaker 2: And then David Girl, bring that over to Chicago, I
Speaker 2: would suggest, you know, it seems a million months away,
Speaker 2: but it's not. It's you know, two cups of coffee away.
Speaker 5: And it's true.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll have Joe Matthew there and Kaylely lines in
Speaker 2: Amory Horden and arrest. But David Girl, I'm sorry, there's
Speaker 2: a dark cloud over Chicago in August as.
Speaker 3: Well, and it has been over Chicago for a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks now. I think after that debate there was
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of uncertainty about how those
Speaker 3: those events would proceed. And Joe jump in here in
Speaker 3: just a sect, but I mean, I think that there,
Speaker 3: as I've said this morning, there's a fragility.
Speaker 1: To that convention.
Speaker 3: I think that the sort of events leading to that
Speaker 3: fragility might get a little les attention now in the
Speaker 3: coming days because the focus shifts so squarely to the Republicans.
Speaker 3: But with what happened in Atlanta, with how President Biden
Speaker 3: has comported himself since We've got this interview tomorrow with
Speaker 3: Lester Holt We'll see how that advances this story. I
Speaker 3: think uncertainly is the word that I keep reaching for here.
Speaker 3: Joe correct me if I'm wrong. We don't know how fragile,
Speaker 3: how fractious that convention's going to be. But I don't
Speaker 3: think those dark clouds are going away anytime soon. To
Speaker 3: borrow Tom's metaphor.
Speaker 14: No, they're building. And there's a real question about what
Speaker 14: happens to Bloomberg's reporting here. And I don't know that
Speaker 14: anyone has matched it about advancing the nominating process to
Speaker 14: July twenty first, when as a virtual meeting of DMC
Speaker 14: officialcy idea is to lock this down earlier than August
Speaker 14: so he could get on the ballot, both in Ohio,
Speaker 14: which they seem to have solved, but also just to
Speaker 14: quiet this whole conversation. I don't know how they could
Speaker 14: pull that off now. I don't know exactly how Joe
Speaker 14: Biden can do that interview now with Lester Holt. Is
Speaker 14: he going to be able to criticize the man he's
Speaker 14: running against not starting to day and what kind of
Speaker 14: criticism will be? Will he be able to levy how
Speaker 14: do you talk about January sixth in the same tone
Speaker 14: after what happened yesterday.
Speaker 2: Jack Matthew, Joe Matthew, thank you so much for the
Speaker 2: time this morning, getting ready for his coverage at five
Speaker 2: pm tonight, Joe Matthew and Kaylie Lyones bats a power
Speaker 2: at five pm worldwide on Bloomberg. This next guest, as
Speaker 2: we come up here to the end of our coverage
Speaker 2: this morning, David Gerr and Tom Keen a special edition
Speaker 2: of Bloomberg Surveillance. And I've been waiting all morning to
Speaker 2: ask Jack Divine one question because they sit at home
Speaker 2: and I'm not, as you know, you make jokes about
Speaker 2: it folks on Bloomberg Surveillance, but I'm not the Hollywood
Speaker 2: loadstone scarlet food.
Speaker 1: Yes you're not.
Speaker 2: And Jack Divine, I want to take this from your
Speaker 2: reality of CIA employment over decades, thirty two year veteran
Speaker 2: of a central intelligence agency to the Hollywood and affected
Speaker 2: attitude of people like me that our domestic intelligence services
Speaker 2: should know about the people like this shooter and the
Speaker 2: attempted assassination of a former president. The movies make it
Speaker 2: sound like there's all sorts of fancy intelligence to know
Speaker 2: who these people are. But we're blind, aren't we.
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's a tough question, Tom. Frankly, it's a needle
Speaker 13: in a haystack operation. There's a lot goes on ahead
Speaker 13: of time, they find people, but here you have a loaner.
Speaker 13: I mean there's no record, there's no record of them,
Speaker 13: there's no there's nothing to get a handle on, and
Speaker 13: their operation may take place in a matter of a
Speaker 13: day or two, right, So I think it's unrealistic. Where
Speaker 13: the intelligence community is really good is finding when states
Speaker 13: do it, when governments are trying to do it or plan,
Speaker 13: and that's where you have a better chance. But the
Speaker 13: lone wolf, I don't think there's much success in that.
Speaker 13: You have to be really prepared defensively, you have to
Speaker 13: make sure you've got your protection networks in certainly tap
Speaker 13: your intelligence. If it's a state system then probably will
Speaker 13: be alerting. So I was pretty satisfied early on that
Speaker 13: this was not a state driven event, although there are
Speaker 13: so many black Swans out.
Speaker 3: There, Jack, I want to get your perspective on the
Speaker 3: magnitude of this event. This event as a turning point,
Speaker 3: and as we heard from Joe Matthew a moment ago,
Speaker 3: Christopher Ray, the FBI Director, has warned of the threat
Speaker 3: of domestic terrorism for so long. Now we're all aware
Speaker 3: of how heated the rhetoric has become in American politics today.
Speaker 3: Several of our guests on the show this morning have
Speaker 3: spoken in very candid terms about how they felt that
Speaker 3: this was inevitable. As they put it, that there was
Speaker 3: a slow but burning build to what we saw happen
Speaker 3: in Butler, Pennsylvania yesterday. I would love your perspective on that,
Speaker 3: on the revocability of this that we've gotten to this point,
Speaker 3: where do we go from here? Is there any optimism
Speaker 3: that even if this is a one off, if this
Speaker 3: was a lone wolf and a one man thing, we
Speaker 3: can find our way back to a saner track of
Speaker 3: better comedy among both parties.
Speaker 13: You would like to think so, but let me be frank.
Speaker 13: I mean, I'm not optimistic about that. One of the
Speaker 13: first things I struck me was what about a copycat?
Speaker 13: And then I sat and thought about it. Yes, there's
Speaker 13: some people out that were like the fame, like fame
Speaker 13: and so on, But I think what we have is
Speaker 13: a much larger group of potential threats from people that
Speaker 13: are just so angry, you know, so they have mental issues,
Speaker 13: but they're so angry they strike out. So I think
Speaker 13: your earlier guests I didn't listen to all them. I
Speaker 13: was thinking about this ahead of time. But I think
Speaker 13: their concern is absolutely well well founded. But I don't
Speaker 13: know how we wind back society. And it's not just
Speaker 13: a rhetoric of the politicians, and we're way out of
Speaker 13: line on that across the board, but on social media,
Speaker 13: we have so much going on in there, people immune
Speaker 13: from the violence that this is more of a societal problem.
Speaker 13: It won't be fixed with some new legislation or one
Speaker 13: great speed, but I think we all should learn something here.
Speaker 2: Where'd you grow up? Jack Divine?
Speaker 13: Where did I grow You're going to pick out my
Speaker 13: accent southwest Philadelphia?
Speaker 2: Southwest Philia. I thought so. And what's important here is
Speaker 2: the distinction of urban Philadelphia with the hinterlands west of
Speaker 2: Altoona in Pennsylvania. You're a grizzled, internationally known expert on
Speaker 2: intelligence and the violence of intelligence. How do you look
Speaker 2: at our rural ha geography almost of guns? How do
Speaker 2: you look at the idea that a kid should have?
Speaker 2: But what's it called? David? An air? A kid has
Speaker 2: an air fifteen outside Pittsburgh. I mean, you're not You're
Speaker 2: not hunting pheasant with that, are you right.
Speaker 13: I mean, this is a national issue about you in
Speaker 13: the Second Amendment. Personally, I don't have a gun. That's
Speaker 13: how I feel about it. They're dangerous, you know, they're
Speaker 13: dangerous in household. I understand why there's the Second amend
Speaker 13: I support those that are interested in hunting. I am
Speaker 13: of the view that the weapons of this nature should
Speaker 13: not be available. People should be registered. But the bigger problem,
Speaker 13: tom is the mental health problem. And you know that
Speaker 13: is so huge. So this moaning, I'm going to bet
Speaker 13: that this young fellow has had a gun for a
Speaker 13: long time, that he's hunted in the hills of the Pennsylvania.
Speaker 13: So you know, it's hard. It's hard. It will be registered,
Speaker 13: maybe not. But my guess is the problem is the
Speaker 13: mental health of our country. And I'm not a psychiatrist,
Speaker 13: I'm not a doctor, but I think we all see
Speaker 13: it every day across a broadspector. We got to we've
Speaker 13: got a tone of down good on the highway. I
Speaker 13: mean we don't. I don't want to take a tangent.
Speaker 13: It's all around us anger. So I think the copy
Speaker 13: cat sure, that's a problem, but I just think this
Speaker 13: environment has so much anger and people want to strike out,
Speaker 13: and if you're psychologically ill, you shoot it. You know,
Speaker 13: you shoot a public figures. So I think public figures
Speaker 13: are much greater risk. I think we have to reevaluate
Speaker 13: how we provide security for our candidates. I think we
Speaker 13: have to up it. One thing that I wondered, and
Speaker 13: I haven't seen anybody touch on this, I'm wondering why
Speaker 13: drones in this sage of technology are not part of
Speaker 13: our or kit bag. I mean, when we're doing these events,
Speaker 13: they're just not that hard to manage. But would we
Speaker 13: have been able to cover the crowds now the reaction
Speaker 13: time of the Secret Services spectacular and how they took
Speaker 13: them out. But I'm really stumped on the roof incident.
Speaker 13: So I'm trying to think of how that could be preventive.
Speaker 13: But these are strictly differentive check.
Speaker 2: Thank you Jeck Divine with us his best selling book,
Speaker 2: Good Hunting, an American Spymaster's Story was Riveting a good
Speaker 2: ten years ago. Here we continue our coverage at Bloomberg
Speaker 2: News through the day. David Ger and I will pause
Speaker 2: here and we thank all of our team here at
Speaker 2: Bloomberg surveillance for helping out today and really through the
Speaker 2: night tirelessly working on this good conversation. You have a
Speaker 2: tough job, David. You have to take the big take
Speaker 2: of twenty minutes of excellence on this. What approach will
Speaker 2: you take for the big take?
Speaker 3: Communday, Well, rest assured, we'll do that, and we'll try
Speaker 3: to get everyone the latest information that we have about
Speaker 3: the investigation into what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania. But also
Speaker 3: I think we'll hit it some of the themes that
Speaker 3: we've been touching on over the course of these three hours. Tom,
Speaker 3: principally what this means for our cultural fabric in this
Speaker 3: country as we look ahead till Milwaukee's convention, and I
Speaker 3: look forward to Joe Matthews cover with Kaylee Lines this evening,
Speaker 3: originating from this I did that convention in Milwaukee. But
Speaker 3: I say that with great humility, recognizing how little we
Speaker 3: know right now. And I see something crossing the wire
Speaker 3: here from the Wall Street Journal, The Wall Street Chournal
Speaker 3: reporting authorities found explosive devices in the car of the
Speaker 3: man who officials say tried to assassinate former President Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: According to people briefed on the investigation. We haven't independently
Speaker 3: verified that ourselves, but the Journal has that. And we
Speaker 3: know that President Biden is in the White House now
Speaker 3: getting a briefing from his advisors, Homeland security advisors, talking
Speaker 3: to the Attorney General of the United States as well
Speaker 3: about the investigation that the FBI is mounting here. So
Speaker 3: I think that that's the dual track that we're going
Speaker 3: to take. I know that you're going to take as well,
Speaker 3: looking back trying to figure out what's happened here and
Speaker 3: also looking forward to the greater import of the significance
Speaker 3: of what's happened in Western Pa.
Speaker 2: And is I believe you said within the blur of
Speaker 2: our three hours in what you said, is every speech
Speaker 2: you think of the rehearsal, of the canned nature of
Speaker 2: a modern convention. Full disclosure, folks, I hate the can
Speaker 2: nature of a modern convention. But every speech now will
Speaker 2: be rewritten. There's just plain and simple.
Speaker 3: We know you as somebody who likes to famously rip
Speaker 3: up a script, and I think that we're seeing that
Speaker 3: happen now in preparation for that convention in Milwaukee. As
Speaker 3: Joe Matthew is saying, the last time around, Donald Trump
Speaker 3: was foregoing the common procedure previously, which was not to
Speaker 3: appear until the last night of the convention. He wanted
Speaker 3: to be there every night. And so I think in
Speaker 3: the coming hours we're going to see when we'll see
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, Will it be daily at this convention? When
Speaker 3: is he going to unveil his vice presidential pick? And then, indeed,
Speaker 3: as you've been discussing in so much detail, what does
Speaker 3: he have to say in that speech to the nation, yes,
Speaker 3: to voters, to all of us about what's happened here
Speaker 3: and what it means for his predictive path forward.
Speaker 2: A story beneath the headlines today, Greg Courtier, how attacks
Speaker 2: on presidents and candidates have shaped US history. Will continue
Speaker 2: to see the shaping of this modern history, and you'll
Speaker 2: see that tonight at five pm. Joe Matthew and Kaylee
Speaker 2: Lane's leading our coverage from Milwaukee. Many more as there
Speaker 2: as well. Nancy Cook is there among others with Bloomberg News.
Speaker 2: Please stay with us through the day. As David mentioned
Speaker 2: with the headline for the Wall Street Journal, breaking news
Speaker 2: literally by the hour here through the day on an
Speaker 2: attempted assassination, a failure of assassination of the former President
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Thanks again to all of our team at
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