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Speaker 2: Tom Keen in New York, a special edition of Bloomberg Survellants,

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Speaker 2: who welcome all of you across America, around the world.

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Speaker 2: Three hours of conversation on what has become an American

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Speaker 2: A shooting of a candidate for president, a shooting of

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Speaker 2: a former president. President Trump was wounded. We all know

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Speaker 2: that now, but we will look forward here in the

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Speaker 2: next three hours with good conversation. In a moment, we'll

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Speaker 2: go to our reporter in Pennsylvania who was in Butler

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Speaker 2: this morning. I am joined by the gentleman I wanted

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Speaker 2: to be with David Gerra joined us now, of course

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Speaker 2: the big take, but much more than that is political

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Speaker 2: coverage over the years of the NBC Network, with NPR

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Speaker 2: and now back at Bloomberg. David, A difficult time for

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Speaker 2: you and I to get together.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, this was a shocking moment yesterday, to say the least.

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Speaker 3: This was to be the last rally that the former

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Speaker 3: president gave before making his way to Milwaukee, where the

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Speaker 3: Republican National Convention is scheduled to start on Monday, and

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Speaker 3: there's a lot to take care between now and then.

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Speaker 3: He was floating the naming of his vice presidential nominee

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Speaker 3: on an indefinite day. Could have been today, could have

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Speaker 3: been tomorrow. That still has to happen. So what was

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Speaker 3: going to be a delegate and front circumstance Milwaukee has

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Speaker 2: And Milwaukee is front and center. That's really what we're

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Speaker 2: going to focus on today is a path to Milwaukee

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Speaker 2: to Chicago, and the adjusted path to November is well,

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Speaker 2: We're going to do this this morning with pure conversation,

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Speaker 2: and the newsflow overnight is the former president is resting well.

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Speaker 2: If Donald Trump can ever rest somehow. I think he'll

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Speaker 2: be up and about this morning, to.

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Speaker 3: Say the least, yes, his campaign saying that we are

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Speaker 3: going to see him as this convention unfolds. He's not

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Speaker 3: get everyone up to speed on sort of where things stand.

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Speaker 3: This took place yesterday around six fifteen in the evening.

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Speaker 3: Then we heard from the current president from Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: in Rehoboth Beach, where he was for the weekend. After

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Speaker 3: he delivered those remarks, he made his way back to Washington.

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Speaker 3: He has been briefed throughout this morning. He's scheduled to

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Speaker 3: which we don't have a whole lot of information. This

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Speaker 3: in two parallel tracks. That the investigation what happened and

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Speaker 3: how this could have been? This could have happened in Butler, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 3: The second being what are the ramifications of this? Yes,

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Speaker 2: Tom I was sitting and you know we're going to

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Speaker 2: have a good three hour conversation folks, to inform you

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Speaker 2: go to Hadriana Loincrun our reporter now in Pittsburgh. David,

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Speaker 2: I was sitting there when the news came across. John

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Speaker 2: George Wallace, but I think to begin the conversation, when

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Speaker 2: you combine terrible assassination with assassination attempt, it's far too

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Speaker 3: I think that something that adds to what's so startling

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Speaker 2: As you said, Tom, let us begin our coverage. We're

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Speaker 2: as well. We get Lucky in that who was in Butler,

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania pulling the short straw covering a campaign event on

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Speaker 2: former intern of Bloomberg Surveillance. I mean, you get lucky.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know this lucky.

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Speaker 2: When that happens. Joining us newly minted from the University

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Speaker 2: correspondence team. Hadrianna Loewenkrenn joins us. Heydriana, both David and

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go back and run the film

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Speaker 2: and the incredible still pictures from yesterday, but the simple

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Speaker 2: shock of the perimeter in Butler, Pennsylvania, with your experience

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Speaker 4: Yes, thanks for having me on. I've covered many a

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Speaker 4: and everything felt as per usual. People were milling around,

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Speaker 3: Know it wasn't hey, Jonna, how much of what the

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Speaker 4: This did definitely appear to be you know, normal office

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Speaker 4: The where a lot of the entry came was actually

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Speaker 4: thought that it was going to be announced earlier this

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Speaker 4: then there was no announcement here, and the lead up

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Speaker 4: It's only happened a few minutes in. We're still looking around,

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Speaker 3: Heydrianna, I know that the Biden campaign has changed its

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Speaker 3: both how this shapes or reshapes the Trump campaign's path

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Speaker 3: reshape that event. Itself safe to say this is something

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Speaker 4: Right, so, as we know, they have put out a

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Speaker 2: Hey, Dreon, one of the advantages here, and David is

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Speaker 2: You don't know, that is the ute of America. What

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Speaker 2: will it be covered differently now with this assassination attempt?

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Speaker 4: You know, that's a great question. And we've already on

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Speaker 4: So definitely we all have to, you know, stand our

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Speaker 4: of energy. There's a lot of programming planned. We have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and David, jump in here and through the three hours, folks,

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Speaker 2: we're going to make this a very I hope informed,

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Speaker 2: but informal conversation. David, I'm sorry. Yesterday at six point

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Speaker 2: thirty pm, convention protocol changed. There's no end of forbuds

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Speaker 3: You know, I was participating in the coverage that we

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Speaker 3: TV and radio, is already in Milwaukee, and she was saying,

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Speaker 3: how you know, going into this event, there was, as

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Speaker 2: And CDs reports this morning they're extending the perimeter.

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Speaker 2: Tom Okay, Heydrianna, Heydriana, do you travel directly to Milwaukee

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Speaker 6: I don't think it changed very much. Tom, and good

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Speaker 6: I don't think it changed very much. You've got a

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't see the I don't see the message

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Speaker 3: We're lucky to have Jordan Fabian with us now he's

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Speaker 3: We've heard from the President now twice, once in print,

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Speaker 7: At the moment, there's nothing expected, But I wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: There was an admission at the end of that statement

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Speaker 7: No, it's a great question, Tom, And there's clear questions

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Speaker 8: That deserves to be what happens in Milwaukee and Chicago, David,

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Speaker 7: some complaints about for Republican organizers in Milwaukee about this

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Speaker 7: promenade that apparently exists near the main street near the

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Speaker 7: convention site. You know, the Secret Service and the organizers

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Speaker 7: said they work something out, but you have to imagine

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Speaker 7: they're going to be re examining every single planning detail

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Speaker 7: in the company weeks here, especially for Democrats and then

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Speaker 7: Dave for Republicans.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Fabian, thank you so much for starting early on

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Speaker 2: a Sunday with us, no doubt, an exhausting day, a

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Speaker 2: full day at the White House. Jordan Fabian, our White

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Speaker 2: House corresponded, And again we say thank you to Hedron

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Speaker 2: Alan Krinn in Pennsylvania, in Pittsburgh, south of Block for

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Speaker 2: her coverage here early this morning.

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Speaker 3: And just when a flag times. She's written a wonderful

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Speaker 3: and very evocative piece about being at that rally. As

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Speaker 3: you said, we're not dwelling on what happened there and

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Speaker 3: what we see in the video and the sound of

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Speaker 3: that shooting, but she has written a first person piece

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Speaker 3: about being in the audience for that and what happened

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Speaker 3: in the aftermath. You can find that at Bloomberg dot

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Speaker 3: com and on the terminal.

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Speaker 2: We are fortunate to continue with Terry Haynes a Pangaea policy.

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Speaker 2: He has given us perspective over many months. Acourter even

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Speaker 2: the best thing about Terry David as he sends donuts. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: once in a while, it's the only reason we have him.

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Speaker 2: Back on Terry, we need to get of an assassination attempt,

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Speaker 2: back to some form of Caden's humor, the human comedy

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Speaker 2: of America. How are we going to get back there? Terry?

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Speaker 2: We did it after JFK. I would like to think

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Speaker 2: they did it after James Garfield in eighteen eighty one.

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Speaker 2: But in this modern media frenzy, I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: How do we get back to norm.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm not sure things are. It'll take a long time.

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Speaker 6: You know, it took the echoes of President Kennedy's assassination

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Speaker 6: potted lots and lots of people for years and and

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Speaker 6: you know, even in the seventies there was a congressional

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Speaker 6: investigation into the bullet theories and all the rest. I mean,

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Speaker 6: it never truly went away for a decade plus, and

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Speaker 6: the reverberations are going to continue, and frankly, I think

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Speaker 6: made worse but made more constant by the twenty four

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Speaker 6: to seven news cycle. In the videos that we that

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Speaker 6: we now get constantly, but you know how it's done. Frankly,

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Speaker 6: I think is a hard lift which is started by

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Speaker 6: politicians of all stripes demonstrating a little more humility and

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Speaker 6: a little more sense of purpose.

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Speaker 3: Terry, I want to ask you about Official Washington's response

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Speaker 3: to this, and I think that probably you, like I,

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Speaker 3: have been looking at tweets and posts and reactions to

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Speaker 3: all of this, and one stood out to me in particular,

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Speaker 3: and that's from the junior Senator from Ohio, from JD Vance,

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Speaker 3: who not long after this tweeted out.

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Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 3: Is not some isolated incident. The central premise of the

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Speaker 3: Biden campaign is that Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist.

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Speaker 3: That rhetoric led directly to the assassination attempt of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: An outlier comment, but there are others in that outlier camp.

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Speaker 3: Again with the Junior Senator, and I note that we

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Speaker 3: heard from House Speaker Mike Johnson that the House will

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Speaker 3: conduct a full investigation of the tragic events today. You

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Speaker 3: bring up what happened with John F.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy.

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Speaker 3: There was a period of time after that when the

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Speaker 3: business of the country was figuring out what happened here

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Speaker 3: and how it was going to carry on. Here you

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Speaker 3: have some politicians already pushing ahead to what I can

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Speaker 3: only assume will be rather circused, like hearings investigating this.

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Speaker 3: I mean that hearing the House Committee on Oversting account

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Speaker 3: Billy hearing scheduled on July the twenty second.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of that?

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Speaker 3: And as we talk, as Tom springs up through, how

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Speaker 3: we process this and move away and move ahead from it?

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Speaker 3: How do you do it when you have these kind

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Speaker 3: of countervailing factors at play, Well, it makes.

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Speaker 6: It tougher, you know, there and then there's there. There

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Speaker 6: is a there's such a reflex built into so many

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Speaker 6: politicians of all stripes I should say. I mean, I

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Speaker 6: you know, I find Senator Vance's comments over the top.

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Speaker 6: But but then again, uh, you know, some of the

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Speaker 6: things you say it says are demonstrable. I mean they're true,

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Speaker 6: and you know the same of the other side. And

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Speaker 6: I'm not engaging in what about it is You're to

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Speaker 6: to point out that both sides are way over their skis.

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Speaker 6: Which is why I get to humility. You know, I

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Speaker 6: was asked on your air the day after January sixth,

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Speaker 6: what I thought should happen and I said what I

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Speaker 6: just said this morning. Politicians need to demonstrate more humility there,

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Speaker 6: and there's plenty of them out there that reflexively aren't

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Speaker 6: doing it today. These people need to be a lot

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Speaker 6: more humble and frankly, I think a lot more sober,

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Speaker 6: and and that will help us get past this moment.

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Speaker 2: During the time left, I want to talk about the

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Speaker 2: president's constituency, the people President Trump's constituency, the people that

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Speaker 2: were there yesterday. And I think that we all understand

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Speaker 2: President Biden has an encyclopedic knowledge of eastern Pennsylvania, the

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Speaker 2: path here and you and I talked I think forty

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Speaker 2: eight hours ago. It seems about the seventeenth Congressional District,

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Speaker 2: Connor Lamb's district, and how President Biden has lost those people.

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Speaker 2: Those people were in that audience yesterday. Give us your

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Speaker 2: political picture of western Pennsylvania from Bethel Park south of Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 2: up to Pittsburgh where Adrianna Loewencren came in moments ago,

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Speaker 2: and then up north on the New York border to Butler.

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Speaker 2: Who were the audience yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a everybody remembers the old James Carvel comment

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Speaker 6: about you know there being the sort of four dots

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Speaker 6: of blue and Pennsylvania surrounded by Alabama, Western Pennsylvania. What

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Speaker 6: Western Pennsylvania is politically today is a donut. The doughnut

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Speaker 6: is a little sea of blue. And then that that

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Speaker 6: city is the city of Pittsburgh in a few immediate

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Speaker 6: suburbs surrounded by an absolute sea of red. And these

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Speaker 6: people are are Historican. I'm from there, which you know

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Speaker 6: doesn't give me any more Jews here, but it's but

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Speaker 6: I spent time there all my life, and what those

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Speaker 6: people are are historic.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 6: John Kennedy, Franklin Roosevelt, Scoop Jackson, Democrats who was spent

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Speaker 6: the last two generations, be perfectly disappointed.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to you're fired up. We're gonna stay on

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Speaker 2: this theme. David Gerra, he just hit my childhood from

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Speaker 2: where you said, David Gerr, with all you've done in Washington,

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Speaker 2: how did the Democrats lose? Butler, Pa, That's the heart

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Speaker 2: of this election.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to appine here, and Terry, you should feel

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Speaker 3: free to jump in and set me straight if I

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Speaker 3: if I get this wrong. But I think that you

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Speaker 3: had a large swath of this population that grew disillusioned

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Speaker 3: with how they were being looked at and taken care

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Speaker 3: of by those in power in Washington. I just think

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Speaker 3: about the current crucible that we're in here as we

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Speaker 3: as we look at the state of the steel industry,

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Speaker 3: in particular in Pennsylvania, what happened when a Japanese company

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Speaker 3: made an overture to take over US steel, a response

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Speaker 3: to that, and how this is for all that Terry

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Speaker 3: describes a very contested area in this country. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you have Joe Biden, also a son of Pennsylvania, vowed

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Speaker 3: son of Pennsylvania, trying to appeal to voters in this area,

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Speaker 3: trying to reclaim them, trying to say that he's one

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Speaker 3: of them as well. That's my sense of it. Terry,

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Speaker 3: Am I right there? When do you see that transition

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Speaker 3: is happening when you when you saw that movement away

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Speaker 3: from being straight and unquestionable Democrats to to turning purple

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Speaker 3: and then I think more welcoming of the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: In Western Pa.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, David, I think you're I think you're I think

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Speaker 6: you're right about that. I think also you've got two

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Speaker 6: things going on. One, people are hugely disappointed and I

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Speaker 6: think feel marginalized by how very little was done to

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Speaker 6: try to reach out to them. You know, the Democratic

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Speaker 6: outreach tends to be in that area, tends to be

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Speaker 6: over the last thirty years or so, tends to be

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Speaker 6: you know, banging on kind of the greatest hits of

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Speaker 6: past industry combined with marginalizing, marginalized programs for marginalized people. Well,

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Speaker 6: we'll work or retrain you, we'll do this, we'll do that,

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Speaker 6: we'll do the other thing. And that's number one. Number two,

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Speaker 6: there's a real concern being the old style of patriots

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Speaker 6: as many of these folks are, that Democratic parties losing

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Speaker 6: them by frankly talking about, you know, other groups at

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Speaker 6: the expense of kind of dealing with the bedrock problems

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Speaker 6: of the country. And then you also get a sense that,

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Speaker 6: you know that Biden administration Democrats generally are attacking the

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Speaker 6: economic engine that exists in that region now, which is energy,

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Speaker 6: which is fracking and the like. And you know, and

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Speaker 6: they take very personally the idea that the new economic

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Speaker 6: engine is something that's under attack by Democrats. I think

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Speaker 6: a lot of that combines to flip them. You have

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Speaker 6: only to look south to west Virginia does see how

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Speaker 6: quickly that sort of went and goes.

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Speaker 3: Terry, I'd love to ask you lastly here just to

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Speaker 3: comment on the historical resonance of this and maybe help

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Speaker 3: us think through how this reshapes American politics broadly. When

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Speaker 3: I was living in Washington, when i'd go up Connecticut Avenue,

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Speaker 3: I'd look over at the Hilton there think about what

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Speaker 3: happened in nineteen eighty one. It still seemed very resonant.

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Speaker 3: It was a place on the map because of that,

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Speaker 3: like other landmarks in Washington or I'm curious if you

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Speaker 3: feel the same way and how you see what happened

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Speaker 3: yesterday in Pennsylvania reshaping American attitudes toward politics. We know

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Speaker 3: that Donald Trump welcomes big crowds. I was thinking, and

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Speaker 3: Amy Morris, our colleague, was leading our coverage yesterday, and

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Speaker 3: asked me a very good question about this, going back

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Speaker 3: to January sixth, when he was kind of welcoming of all,

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Speaker 3: dismissive of the fact that there needed to be metal

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Speaker 3: detectors for the rally that he had on the National Mall,

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Speaker 3: then playing a little fast and loose with security there,

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Speaker 3: but again really welcoming large crowds, enthusiasm for politics, his

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Speaker 3: brand of politics, how does this reshape that at all?

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Speaker 3: And how do you process how do you think that

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Speaker 3: this will resonate going forward?

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm with you on the history. You know,

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Speaker 6: I'm like the kid in the sixth sense, where you know,

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Speaker 6: I see dead people all the time. I live in Alexandria, Virginia,

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Speaker 6: which used to brand itself the most historic town in

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Speaker 6: the United States, home of George Washington, Robert Lee, others.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I see it everywhere. I saw you

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Speaker 6: have the same residence as that you do. You know

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Speaker 6: what I get in Washington today, though, is a is

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Speaker 6: a sense where you know, the politics are are kind

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Speaker 6: of curdled into team Red, Team blue, you know, reflexively

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Speaker 6: branded stuff, pursued and purvayed mostly by people who are

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Speaker 6: who are invested in that, and in very little, very

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Speaker 6: little of thinking outside the box and thinking of the

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Speaker 6: national interest, in thinking about how to have to move forward.

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Speaker 6: And I think this probably for the country at large,

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Speaker 6: I think that probably only disasser base that perception.

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Speaker 2: Terry, thank you for your generous time this Sunday morning.

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Speaker 2: Terry Haynes appenzea folks writing exceptionally bright notes. You can

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Speaker 2: see them out on linked in I really can't say

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Speaker 2: enough about a follow on LinkedIn as being a value

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Speaker 2: add from Terry Haynes a Pangaea. There's a blue here.

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Speaker 2: David and I have decided we're really not going to

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Speaker 2: go back and relive what we all were riveted by

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Speaker 2: for five hours last night. We're going to look forward.

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Speaker 2: And in Milwaukee is the person piece. There's people, folks

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Speaker 2: that piece together twenty and forty people and keep it going.

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Speaker 2: The queen of all nighters for Bloomberg News is Tyler

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Speaker 2: Kendall in Milwaukee right now leading our convention technical structure.

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Speaker 2: And there's a small sentence at eleven PM last night

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Speaker 2: that I missed this evening President Biden spoke to former

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Speaker 2: President Trump. David that slipped through the late night that

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Speaker 2: the two gentlemen spoke.

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Speaker 3: And it bears us thinking about these are two politicians

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Speaker 3: who have a great deal of enmity toward each other

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Speaker 3: on the campaign trail, and there was something extraordinary about that.

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Speaker 3: Extraordinary in the sense that it hasn't happened before. Joe

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Speaker 3: hasn't called Donald, and they haven't spoken by phone before.

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Speaker 3: So this is a remarkable moment that took place, and

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Speaker 3: you could see the gravity of it. As Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: spoke in Delaware saying he tried to reach him. Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump was with his doctors. Then he was unable to.

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Speaker 3: But several times during that very brief statement in Delaware,

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Speaker 3: on the phone, hope to get him on the phone.

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Speaker 3: And as you say, Tom, we got that readout saying

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Speaker 3: that the two of them had spoken. No more detail

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Speaker 3: besides that, but it's significant enough that the two of

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Speaker 2: David Gurra and Tom Keen a special edition of Bloomberg

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Speaker 2: Surveillance from our world headquarters in New York. Good conversation

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Speaker 2: to come as we move forward. Professor Schuller Brown University

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Speaker 2: on the scope in the reach of our history of assassination,

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Speaker 2: an assassination attempt. We do that. Next, we'rend Bloomberg Radio

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Speaker 2: worldwide and across the nation on a Sunday morning.

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Speaker 9: This is Bloomberg Surveillance with Tom Keen and Paul Sweeney

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Speaker 9: on Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good morning everyone, Tom Keane with my special guest David

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Speaker 2: ger Of course the big take out on Bloomberg Podcast,

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Speaker 2: but so much more. David Gerry here today on this

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Speaker 2: horrific Sunday morning after an assassination attempt, with this wonderful

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Speaker 2: political coverage. All he's done for NBC and NPR, and

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Speaker 2: we're thrilled to have them back with Bloomberg as well. David,

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Speaker 2: you're always way more prepared than I am. What is

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Speaker 2: your insight of what needs to be done by the

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Speaker 2: Trump administration in the next twenty four hours.

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Speaker 3: I'll pick up on what Terry said, and I was

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Speaker 3: struck by the renaissance of his comments, residents of his comments,

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Speaker 3: and he brought up the fact that what he said

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Speaker 3: today is right in line with what he said after

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Speaker 3: January sixth, and so he's calling for the rhetoric to

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Speaker 3: be calmer and politicians to take a step back, wait

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Speaker 3: a while to comment beyond just expressing their thanks to

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Speaker 3: law enforcement and good wishes to the former president. But

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Speaker 3: I think we have seen in recent weeks, as we

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Speaker 3: were discussing with Terry, a very disciplined Trump campaign. He

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Speaker 3: hasn't been out there fulminating on the campaign trail. He's

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Speaker 3: been content to let Democrats battle it out over their

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Speaker 3: prospects and what's going to happen in Chicago. I expect

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Speaker 3: that we will have this reframed for us in that

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Speaker 3: marquee speech in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: And this is thursdents Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: But they got to get from Tuesday. They got to

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Speaker 2: get Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and they've got the usual victims

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Speaker 2: lined up the speech. Is anyone listening to those speeches anymore?

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Speaker 2: I mean, Wendy Schiller remembers David Girl when we hung

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Speaker 2: on every single word within the pageantry from where you sait, David,

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Speaker 2: the pageantry's gone.

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Speaker 3: Right happened yesterday. There was a strong effort by the

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Speaker 3: former president to make this must CTV. For lack of

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Speaker 3: a better term, he hasn't named his vice presidential pick.

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Speaker 3: And I think that that is the thing that most

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Speaker 3: of America would have and will seize on now, is

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Speaker 3: who that individual is going to be and what he

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Speaker 3: or she has to say on the stage in Milwaukee, and.

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Speaker 2: This Sunday morning across America, on Bloomberg, on many of

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Speaker 2: her other services as well, David Gerr and Tom Keene's

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Speaker 2: special edition of Bloomberg Surveillance, which means we need a

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Speaker 2: special guest. She is at Brown University. Wendy Schiller joins

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Speaker 2: us a definitive book on American civics, a sense of

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Speaker 2: history that folds into the present day, in our future,

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Speaker 2: Professor Schiller, good morning. When I first heard this news,

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Speaker 2: John Farroh actually called me to tell me of the news,

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Speaker 2: and I thought of George Wallace in nineteen seventy two.

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Speaker 2: We can take our violence of assassination, an assassination attempt,

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Speaker 2: back to Garfield, to Lincoln and frankly beyond, Professor Schiller,

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Speaker 2: why is America so violent in its politics?

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, I thought about that too. I thought about,

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Speaker 10: of course Juanna Lagan as well. And I was grateful

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Speaker 10: to see from President Trump emerged relatively okay, but he

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Speaker 10: was in fact shot in the ear. And then the

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Speaker 10: said of having attendees killed and injured is you know,

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Speaker 10: really just brings us back exactly to these traumatic moments

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Speaker 10: in American political life where we say, how could that happen?

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Speaker 10: And yet it happens very frequently in America, even relative

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Speaker 10: to any other country, at least in the twentieth century

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Speaker 10: and certainly the twenty first century. And we have a culture.

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Speaker 10: You can argue, it's a gun culture, and that guns

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Speaker 10: are too easy to get. There's this sort of AR

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Speaker 10: fifteen argument that's going around. However, as we all know,

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Speaker 10: those prior acts of violence were not committed with AR fifteens,

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Speaker 10: so they've still happened anyway, and we have to ask

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Speaker 10: ourselves that we have this weird juxtaposition between peaceful transitions

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Speaker 10: of power, which we have had with January sixth, with

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Speaker 10: some exception, but that's still happened relatively peacefully after that,

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Speaker 10: and the rest of the world, which has not had

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Speaker 10: that history a peaceful transition of power. So it's this

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Speaker 10: really stark difference between our culture and the violence we

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Speaker 10: see everyday, gun violence but also local violence, and then

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Speaker 10: our system, which compared to us, the world, you know,

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Speaker 10: remains very peaceful.

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Speaker 1: And orderly, doctor Schuler.

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Speaker 3: I was in a diner in Brooklyn last night when

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Speaker 3: this happened and looked up at the screen and saw

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Speaker 3: those fifteen seconds being.

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Speaker 1: Replayed over and over again.

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Speaker 3: And I've got three kids eleven and younger watching it

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Speaker 3: with me, and fielded a lot of difficult questions as

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Speaker 3: a result of that. What happened, How did this happen?

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Speaker 3: What does it mean? Is this politics? You teach the

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Speaker 3: American presidency other classes to brown undergrads older than my kids,

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Speaker 3: but I imagine they have similar questions. They haven't lived

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Speaker 3: through this, They don't have a memory of nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 3: What do you say to younger people in this country

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Speaker 3: about the state of politics today. What's something like what

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Speaker 3: happened yesterday means for the shape of American politics today?

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean our obviously you know this too. Our

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Speaker 10: political rhetoric has in fact declined. We have had periods

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Speaker 10: of time when in the press people said horrible thing

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Speaker 10: about politicians, going back to John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.

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Speaker 10: It's not that that is new. It's that it's not

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Speaker 10: just politicians, it's people and everyday voters, people sort of

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Speaker 10: not having family conversations, you know, not associating with people

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Speaker 10: because of their political affiliation. Called that negative partisanship. It's

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Speaker 10: hatred that's now been really cultivated of the other side,

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Speaker 10: and we dehumanize the other side when we hate, and

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Speaker 10: that element has intensified in the last ten to fifteen years. Sadly,

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Speaker 10: your kids, very sadly, and on the kids that I'm teaching,

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Speaker 10: have lived through school gun violence in a way that

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Speaker 10: we did not when I was a kid. So their

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Speaker 10: world is populated with gun violence. So they are more

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Speaker 10: used to that than we are, so we look at

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Speaker 10: it as political violence as a threat, But that generation says,

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Speaker 10: will I be safe going to school? So I think

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Speaker 10: these two things have come together in this moment in time.

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Speaker 3: Is there optimism in Providence that this can change? I

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Speaker 3: think to what was actually kind of a quaint moment

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Speaker 3: just a couple of days ago, when you had this

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Speaker 3: transition of power, peaceful transition of power in London. You

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Speaker 3: heard from Rischie Sunak acknowledging political differences with the guy

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Speaker 3: who defeated him, with Kiir Starmer, and a very generous

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Speaker 3: speech from Kiers Starmer when he was named Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: as well, And there was something again both quaint but

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Speaker 3: also refreshing about that. Can you envision in America when

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Speaker 3: we get back to that, when things aren't as fraud

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Speaker 3: and there is that kind of comedy c u mit

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Speaker 3: y that we haven't had here in a long time.

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Speaker 10: You know, you know, I was listening this morning about

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Speaker 10: Joe Wilson. When Joe Wilson consonan in South Carolina, Have

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Speaker 10: you lie?

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Speaker 2: Same?

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Speaker 1: From the State of the Union address that President.

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Speaker 4: Radwy Union you lie?

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Speaker 10: So I thought I was trying to sort of say,

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Speaker 10: when did this happen? You know ten people on the

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Speaker 10: left or people who don't like Trump say, well, Trump

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Speaker 10: elevated the rhetoric and it's his fault, you know, his

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Speaker 10: speech is his locker upper Hillary. But no, you know,

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Speaker 10: we had this under Obama and it started to decline,

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Speaker 10: and on the left and the right participates in this.

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Speaker 10: I think it's become, unfortunately bipartisan. So it's not directly

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Speaker 10: attributed just to Donald Trump in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 10: It was happening before that, this sort of real visceral

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Speaker 10: anger that really broke all the barriers at school board meetings.

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Speaker 10: You have people screaming hateful things. We just didn't have

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Speaker 10: that twenty years ago. So am I optimistic that can

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Speaker 10: turn the corner? I do think depends on you know,

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Speaker 10: it swings in American politics. So I do think there's

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Speaker 10: a limit that people will tolerate in terms of this rhetoric.

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Speaker 2: On a Sunday morning at Professor Schiller and of course

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Speaker 2: the heritage here of George Washington traveling up near your

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Speaker 2: providence to Newport, Rhode Island, and the Jewish synagogue in

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Speaker 2: the late eighteenth.

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Speaker 10: Century, the district synagogue.

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Speaker 2: The distance of this shot that missed the president wounding

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Speaker 2: the vice former president wounding him is a distance from

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Speaker 2: the Fifth Avenue Synagogue here in New York City, past

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Speaker 2: Saint Thomas Fifth Avenue, the church of Norman Rockwell's painting,

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Speaker 2: down to Saint Patrick's Cathedral. I mean, where with the

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee Convention, the president at church are coming out of

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Speaker 2: church when he learns of former President Trump's attempt at assassination.

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Speaker 2: How does religion change with this assassination attempt? Is a

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Speaker 2: debate in a construct in America.

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean, you know you're tell me you're really

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Speaker 10: trying something to the breakdown of local communities. You know,

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Speaker 10: you know it got exacerbated under COVID. But we used

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Speaker 10: to see each other in contexts that were different than politics,

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Speaker 10: work for example, church, synagogue, mosque, school, social gatherings. We

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Speaker 10: used to interact with each other far more, you know, personally,

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Speaker 10: and we don't anymore. And the ability to dehumanize. We've

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Speaker 10: seen this with mass shootings and young men. You know,

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Speaker 10: we see this now people are objects, they're not human beings,

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Speaker 10: and we don't interact enough with each other outside of

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Speaker 10: politics where we recognize that we have bonds that connect us,

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Speaker 10: and that is a sociological phenomenon that's been happening with

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Speaker 10: the rise of technology and also obviously the pandemic. You know,

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Speaker 10: people talk about going back to work and how nice

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Speaker 10: it is to work at home. Yes, we can all

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Speaker 10: talk about those advantages if you're lucky enough to have them,

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Speaker 10: but they do degrade social bonds in society, and politicians

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Speaker 10: can't fix that. So we're looking to politicians to fix

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Speaker 10: something that is really deeper and broader than what they

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Speaker 10: can handle.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Schuler, you're heading up the Watson Institute here for

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Speaker 3: a few more months, Cather on an inn basis, deserve

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Speaker 3: it sabbatical.

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Speaker 10: After that, I got a temporary raise. Yeah, very good,

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Speaker 10: very good, Yeah for the next year.

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Speaker 3: But you're thinking a lot, I imagine, and talking a

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Speaker 3: lot about international relations. And I was struck again following

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Speaker 3: this news. How quickly and in what droves we heard

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Speaker 3: from world leaders about this. Give me your perspective on

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Speaker 3: how this is resonating around the world based on what

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Speaker 3: we've read, what we've seen so far from world leaders. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: there are opinions about the proliferation of guns in this

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Speaker 3: country and violence and the rhetoric that we've been talking about.

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Speaker 3: But what's your sense of how other world leaders are

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Speaker 3: watching this unfold.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think there's a general sense. I mean, we've seen,

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Speaker 10: you know, a punch in the face or the shoulder.

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Speaker 10: I think in Copenhagen, at the primes of Denmark, we've

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Speaker 10: seen the assassination in other parts of the country attempted

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Speaker 10: the world like we've seen in Latin America, we've seen

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Speaker 10: in Eastern Europe. So we are seeing political violence all

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Speaker 10: over the world elevate to people who like I'm going

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Speaker 10: I'm gonna get punched on the streets of Copenhagen. So

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Speaker 10: there's that, right, So I don't think there's that much surprise.

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Speaker 10: And then of course there's the gun culture in America.

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Speaker 10: But I think the fear among leaders is that the

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Speaker 10: Trump rhetoric about international relations, and then when Trump can

881
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Speaker 10: elevate that rhetoric in a way that's fairly feisty, you know,

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Speaker 10: it may concern them that this will solidify support around Trump,

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Speaker 10: and that Trump will win. The election's over and it's

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Speaker 10: already done, and that we will be living with this

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Speaker 10: on a world stage for the next four year. So

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Speaker 10: I think international leaders are really trying to see how

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Speaker 10: this assassination attempt, you know, affects the election going forward,

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Speaker 10: and does it intensify the you know, the negative partnership,

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Speaker 10: sort of the divide in the society.

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Speaker 2: Wendy Schuler, thank you so much. Professor Schiller at Brown University.

891
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Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll hear from her as we progress to

892
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Speaker 2: Milwaukee and Chicago as well. She has expertise on Capitol

893
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Speaker 2: Hill and the legislative processes of the nation, but far

894
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Speaker 2: more understands the pulse of the apparatus of our American

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Speaker 2: politics forward. She's with Veda Partners. Henrietta, your thoughts when

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Speaker 2: you learned of this in the vicinity of the six

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Speaker 2: thirty hour yesterday evening.

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Speaker 11: Thank you so much for having me this morning. It

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Speaker 11: was shocking, you know, what should have been a relatively

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Speaker 11: quiet weekend going into a lot of fanfare and pomp

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Speaker 11: and circumstances of the convention ended up being something that

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Speaker 11: I would say, my first take way after being you know,

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Speaker 11: just sort of shocked and awed by the entire event,

904
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Speaker 11: and you know, thankful that everybody was safe, including the

905
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Speaker 11: former president, was really just the inevitability of it. It

906
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Speaker 11: just feels so tense around America. I mean, that's certainly

907
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Speaker 11: what blew up around me as this is happening. Was

908
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Speaker 11: just I can't believe that it happened, and yet at

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Speaker 11: the same time I absolutely can. Things are so fraught

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Speaker 11: and tensions are so high that that was really the

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Speaker 11: first takeaway and the one that cemented in my mind

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Speaker 11: after last night.

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Speaker 3: Talk more about that, if you would. I'm on the

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Speaker 3: same page as you, and I wonder if that's because

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Speaker 3: of the way this general election is being framed. We're

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Speaker 3: hearing of it as a very pivotal election, of course,

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Speaker 3: one where democracy is at stake, where there's the risk

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Speaker 3: of authoritarianism. If you listen to the Democrats, if you

919
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Speaker 3: listen to the Republicans, Donald Trump on that debate stage

920
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Speaker 3: talking about the very real prospects as he sees them

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Speaker 3: of World War three?

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 3: Is it simply that discreetly or is it something that's

924
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Speaker 3: more of a consequence of a kind of slow evolution

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Speaker 3: toward of a messier and were fraud and more antagonistic

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Speaker 3: brand of politics in this country.

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Speaker 11: I think you don't have to single either of those

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Speaker 11: things out. I mean, they're both very valid. You can

929
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Speaker 11: go back to January sixth, which is obviously something that

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Speaker 11: you know, we saw and there were certainly deaths, but

931
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Speaker 11: our main takeaway was, gosh, it could have been so

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Speaker 11: much worse. I mean, how many senators and lawmakers to

933
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Speaker 11: be here say that exact rephrase, you know, just expecting

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Speaker 11: the worse and being grateful that it wasn't that more

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Speaker 11: more bad than that. And that's that's really the takeaway

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Speaker 11: that I had from last night, thankful that it wasn't worse.

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Speaker 11: I think that sort of sense of everybody's out to

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Speaker 11: get me is definitely the perspective from President former President Trump.

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Speaker 11: You know, the trials and the convictions and the felony counts,

940
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Speaker 11: everybody's out to get me kind of vibe, And then

941
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Speaker 11: you get it from the president's side. At the same time,

942
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Speaker 11: you know, the elites are against me. I mean, it's

943
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Speaker 11: not quite the same thing, but there's just this victimhood

944
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Speaker 11: sense and this view that everybody is being hilleried against

945
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Speaker 11: I am the president or thesident.

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Speaker 2: This is brilliant. This is why we love having Henry

947
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Speaker 2: Treson in the word. I thought of somewhat like the

948
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Speaker 2: victim that Henriette's talking about. David Kerry is just this

949
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Speaker 2: sense of grievance across America, in our markets, in our

950
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Speaker 2: discussion of Bloomberg elites and the haves asset owners in America,

951
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Speaker 2: there's almost a celebration of prosperity right now. And this

952
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Speaker 2: is at the same time a nation, both parties feeling grievance.

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Speaker 3: Both parties feeling grievance. And Henriette, if I could, I'd

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Speaker 3: love to go back to sort of your experience working

955
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Speaker 3: on Capitol Hill. You've worked on the north side, in

956
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Speaker 3: the south side, the House and the Senate, And in

957
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Speaker 3: the hours since this attack, we have seen comments from

958
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Speaker 3: elected representatives calling for committee hearings and investigations. Is that

959
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Speaker 3: healthy as you see it so soon after this to

960
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Speaker 3: kind of move ahead to that type of investigation and

961
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Speaker 3: sort of what do you want to see the role

962
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Speaker 3: of official Washington and the legislative branch playing here as

963
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Speaker 3: we learn more information.

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Speaker 11: I think it's appropriate to hold hearings and you know,

965
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Speaker 11: make sure that the safety of any of our elected

966
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Speaker 11: officials is paramount. I fear for that all the time.

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Speaker 11: I'm one of the kinds of people who really respects

968
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Speaker 11: a lot of our elected officials that I want them

969
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Speaker 11: to be safe so that more people will join the

970
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Speaker 11: fray and we get better talent to join the ranks

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Speaker 11: of the House and the Senate members. I think that

972
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Speaker 11: serves America in general. So if there is to be

973
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Speaker 11: hearings and to discuss the role of the Secret Service,

974
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Speaker 11: I mean, all the things that went right, you know,

975
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Speaker 11: the president, the former president is safe, he is sound.

976
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Speaker 11: You know, that's that's the testament to their good work.

977
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Speaker 11: I don't know that committee hearings being weaponized is good

978
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Speaker 11: for America. That's certainly something that we have seen. I

979
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Speaker 11: certainly don't want to make a martyr of the shooter

980
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Speaker 11: or anything along those lines. So I hope that that's

981
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Speaker 11: handled with care. It's a fraught situation, and I think

982
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Speaker 11: members are right to use whatever power or they have

983
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Speaker 11: to try to, you know, really suss out all the

984
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Speaker 11: details of the situation, because that's what the American public

985
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Speaker 11: wants to see. They want to know what happened, and

986
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Speaker 11: that's the role of Congress, and that's the role of oversight.

987
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Speaker 2: I've got to do reporting here now, Henrietta Trace. I

988
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: want to ask a delicate question among our institutions of

989
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: law enforcement in your Washington is a Secret Service respected?

990
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 11: I think January sixth called a lot of the Secret

991
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Speaker 11: Service into question, you know, with the rally and with

992
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 11: the licenses that have been granted. I think there's so

993
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 11: much of that to go around, and I hope that

994
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 11: they're able to answer a lot of questions this morning

995
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 11: and in the days ahead, because they're going to get along.

996
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Speaker 2: David, your thoughts on that difficult question, You've lived it down.

997
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: There Are they respected? Like you know, I think of CIA,

998
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 2: FBI and the rest of the alphabet soup, I don't understand.

999
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: I think that they are.

1000
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: I think that anyway is right that there have been

1001
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 3: questions about them, and certainly there's been some scandal within

1002
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 3: the department in these recent years. And you know, a

1003
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 3: person whose name has come up here in the last

1004
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Speaker 3: few hours is Kim Cheedle, who's the head of the

1005
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 3: Secret Service. And you had somebody like Elon Musk saying

1006
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: that she should step down, noting that she worked at PepsiCo.

1007
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: Well, she spent.

1008
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Speaker 3: Thirty years at the Secret Service before that. So I

1009
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Speaker 3: think there is going to be deserved scrutiny on the

1010
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Speaker 3: agency here in the in the weeks to come, weeks

1011
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 3: and months to come. But you know, I watching that

1012
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Speaker 3: video so many times, as we all did, because it

1013
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 3: played over and over again. One had to admire the

1014
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: integrity of those who work for that agency in moving

1015
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 3: quickly to surround the president get him off that stage

1016
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Speaker 3: into a car safely. These are people who do take

1017
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Speaker 3: an oath to protect the president of the United States,

1018
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Speaker 3: and that is a very grave thing.

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Speaker 2: Tom, Henrietta, I want to talk about your Capitol Hill,

1020
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Speaker 2: and I guess we're not. We'll say, ask pure political

1021
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Speaker 2: questions now, But when you have Henrietta Treys.

1022
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Speaker 1: In the phone, that's temptation to do so.

1023
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Speaker 2: Percolating out there in the Gura zeitgeist is a Republican sweep?

1024
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Speaker 2: How do you interpret people claiming or predicting, or hoping

1025
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Speaker 2: or against a Republican sweep?

1026
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Speaker 11: November fifth, Well, I think that the twenty twenty election

1027
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Speaker 11: is a lot closer than people remember. I think that

1028
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 11: it took a global pandemic to have Joe Biden win,

1029
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 11: and I think that right now the Democratic Party is

1030
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 11: way behind where their voters are. And when that is

1031
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Speaker 11: the case, you either get to press turnout or you

1032
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Speaker 11: get the independent and moderate voter base, which decides all

1033
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 11: American elections in just a handful of states saying you

1034
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Speaker 11: know what, I'm not voting for the Democratic Party right now,

1035
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 11: and they either stay home or they vote for Donald Trump.

1036
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 11: And you have to think that there's a rally around

1037
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Speaker 11: the flag moment right now stemming from an assassination attempt,

1038
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 11: which is so jarring to so many people. It hasn't

1039
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Speaker 11: happened in decades in America, and it's something that I

1040
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 11: think will serve hopefully for a moment of solemnity and

1041
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 11: resignation is the last thing that you want, but definitely

1042
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 11: a sense of you know, this decision has serious consequences.

1043
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 11: The Democrats are in extreme disarray, and I think that

1044
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Speaker 11: the base case on the street right now and certainly

1045
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Speaker 11: within VC, is that this is pretending a Republican wave.

1046
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 11: And what's been interesting about that, and I have struggled with,

1047
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 11: is that statistically our odds have been ninety percent or

1048
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Speaker 11: higher that the Senate goes Republican, and it's only a

1049
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 11: five percent chance in my view, that the House will

1050
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 11: flip to Democratic control on the event that President former

1051
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Speaker 11: President Trump wins. Now, it's not just a statistical red

1052
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 11: wave because of geography and which states are up this cycle.

1053
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Speaker 11: It just so happens that they're all in swing states

1054
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Speaker 11: where if the president win, if former president wins, he's

1055
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Speaker 11: going to win those Senate seats as well. It's really

1056
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 11: now more how many seats are we talking talking not

1057
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Speaker 11: just fifty one fifty three Senate seats, but fifty five

1058
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Speaker 11: to fifty six? Are we talking Republican gains in the

1059
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Speaker 11: House of you know, two hundred and twenty five seats?

1060
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Speaker 11: Are we talking two hundred and forty seven seats? That's

1061
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 11: the distinction that Democrats have to face right now that

1062
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 11: it's not just a statistical red leave that we would

1063
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Speaker 11: expect to see given what's at stake and what seats

1064
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 11: are on, But is this a tsunami style election? And

1065
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Speaker 11: I think that's what's happening in the race right now

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Speaker 11: with Joe Bidens and systems that he's going.

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Speaker 2: To stay in Well, the upside of it all. Henrietta Trace,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. Your perspective incredibly valued.

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Speaker 2: thank you so much. To show you how folks, the

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Speaker 2: world's been turned upside down. Steve Kernaky over at NBC

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Speaker 2: Fox News Sunday, one pm, The ABC This Week with

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Speaker 2: George Stephanovlis and Face a Nation at two pm. And

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Speaker 2: thank you to Margaret Brennan for her commitment to all

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Speaker 2: that we do here. But David, that shows how things

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Speaker 2: are upside down. A poll with fanfare, delight.

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Speaker 1: And reasonably so.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're just left to wonder how this can

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Speaker 3: reshape things and change the direction of this campaign. So

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Speaker 3: we will watch closely, listen closely to all of those shows.

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Speaker 3: I saw Senator Graham, Senator Sanders scheduled to be un

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Speaker 3: Meet the Press, very interested to hear what they have

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Speaker 3: to say about the political atmosphere and what this means

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Speaker 3: for the culture of America going forward.

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Speaker 2: Our conversation this morning to all of you across the

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Speaker 2: nation worldwide, is we're hoping a measured conversation about our

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Speaker 2: American politics, our American violence in this assassination attempt. Part

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Speaker 2: of that is people with perspective and experience. David, Girl,

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Speaker 2: why don't you bring in our esteem. Rick Davis here,

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Speaker 2: with all of his work with Senator McCain and with

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Speaker 2: President Reagan years ago.

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Speaker 3: Had a familiar face on Bloomberg's balance of Powerstone we

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Speaker 3: hear from many days of the week giving us perspective

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Speaker 3: in real time on this campaign and politics in Washington.

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Speaker 3: He's a partner at Rick Davis. We were talking about

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Speaker 3: what this might mean for the politics the campaign going forward.

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Speaker 3: We're going to spend some time with you here after

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Speaker 3: the break, but in the minute that we have here,

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Speaker 3: what does the former president need to say when he

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Speaker 3: takes the stage in Milwaukee. How does he take stock

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Speaker 3: and give us his impression of what's happened here and

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Speaker 3: how it reshapes the campaign going forward. What do you

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Speaker 3: need to hear from him in Milwaukee?

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Speaker 12: I think going into yesterday, both sides had really hot rhetoric.

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Speaker 12: It was divissive on both sides, Democrats and Republicans. Heat

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Speaker 12: of the campaign, very close selection, do it out, and

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Speaker 12: I think this is the moment for a pivot. I think,

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Speaker 12: you know, Donald Trump can take the high ground, and

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Speaker 12: it's been offered to him. It's a moment in historic

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Speaker 12: time and it's going to be interesting to see how

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Speaker 12: they capitalize on it. And by the way, distinctly different

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Speaker 12: than how this convention has been organized message wise going

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Speaker 12: into tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Rick Davis, we're going to come back. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to squeeze you too short here, mister Davis in Milwaukee,

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Speaker 2: of course, all of his service to the Republican Party.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a piercing conversation. You're going to

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Speaker 2: hear it. To get us to ninet thirty, we'll come

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Speaker 2: back with Rick Davis. I don't know how you get

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Speaker 2: from Milwaukee to Chicago. I mean, things, David Gerr have

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Speaker 2: just been absolutely turned upside down.

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Speaker 3: Feels very day by day, and I just think of

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Speaker 3: the circumstances that the Democratic Party is in, the current

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Speaker 3: president is in after that disastrous debate, so many people

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Speaker 3: saying the way to quell those anst move things forward,

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Speaker 3: be out there more, take more questions, do more campaigning.

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Speaker 3: He's now entering a period when the focus is going

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Speaker 3: to shift squarely on the Republican Party as we moved

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Speaker 3: to this convention in Milwaukee. He has this opportunity for

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Speaker 3: an interview with Lester Holt on Monday. But then there

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Speaker 3: is a kind of necessary quiet that we'll set in,

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Speaker 3: and I'm very curious to hear from Rick when we

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Speaker 3: come back, sort of what his counsel would be to

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Speaker 3: the current president about how to play a role in

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Speaker 3: this very vital and important conversation about what this means

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Speaker 3: for the country going forward.

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Speaker 2: Lots to speak about here are Nancy Cook so experienced

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Speaker 2: with Bloomberg. Writing in her headline this morning, she reports

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Speaker 2: bloody defiant Trump's image pumps up Gop Bass after shooting,

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Speaker 2: and of course all that having to do with their

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Speaker 2: coverage in Milwaukee. Joe Matthew's scheduled to be with us

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Speaker 2: here this morning, as well as David Gera mentioned Balance

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Speaker 2: of Power headlining our coverage tomorrow in Milwaukee and tonight

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Speaker 2: special coverage from five to seven pm worldwide on Bloomberg

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Speaker 2: Television and Bloomberg Radio. David Gerry and Tom Keen on

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Speaker 2: the Sunday Morning across the nation, a special edition of

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg Surveillance.

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Speaker 9: This is Bloomberg Surveillance with Tom Keane and Paul Sweeney

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Speaker 9: on Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good morning everyone, David and Tom Keena special edition of

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg Surveillance from our road headquarters in New York. But

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Speaker 2: we're utilizing all the resources of Bloomberg. A special thanks

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Speaker 2: to Hedrianna Laurencren, who was in Butler, Pennsylvania yesterday. She

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Speaker 2: is one of our newest freshly minted reporters. And you know, David,

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Speaker 2: you think about you come out of University Pennsylvania. She

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Speaker 2: was an intern for Bloomberg Surveillance. Worst job on the

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Speaker 2: planet and we need you in the crucible of newsgathering

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Speaker 2: to get it done. And someone like her and many

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Speaker 2: others in Butler delivered the goods.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I can't say enough good things about the strength

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Speaker 3: of our coverage of the former president's campaign. Stephanie Laie

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Speaker 3: also traveling with the former president, and of course Jennifer Jacobs,

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Speaker 3: who no one knows that this former president better than

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Speaker 3: she had contributed to our average as well. So incredibly

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Speaker 3: strong to say. Adriana making her way from Western Pennsylvania

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Speaker 3: now to Milwaukee as we are on the Sunday morning in.

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee, and I want to frame out who this guy is.

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Speaker 2: If you are from Arizona, he's a household name, a

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Speaker 2: major advisor to the politics of the gentleman from Arizona. No,

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Speaker 2: not Bury Goldwater, but Senator John McCain and also his

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Speaker 2: public service to the sea of Ronald Reagan. Do you

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Speaker 2: recall the assassination tempt at the Hilton Hotel of President Reagan?

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Speaker 2: Can you give us a vignette and anecdote of that horrific.

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Speaker 12: Afternoon as at the tom and we were assembled in

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Speaker 12: a meeting actually right across from the White House in

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Speaker 12: Lafayette Square, and somebody came in and said the President

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Speaker 12: had been shot. Nobody knew what condition.

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Speaker 13: He was in.

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Speaker 12: We immediately, you know, turned on our television sets, and

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Speaker 12: this was an era where we didn't have instant news,

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Speaker 12: so there were special reports and we immediately went over

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Speaker 12: to the old Executive Office building next to the west

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Speaker 12: wind of the White House and met up with some

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Speaker 12: of our colleagues. We knew all the advanced people and

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Speaker 12: secret service and his detail and protecting him. Great friends

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Speaker 12: of mine from the campaign were involved in the incident,

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Speaker 12: and it was a moment of stillness, you know, where

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Speaker 12: people didn't know what was going to happen next it was.

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Speaker 12: It was actually very reminiscent of yesterday afternoon when the

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Speaker 12: president went down, Former President Trump went down. Secret Service

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Speaker 12: were all over him, and it just reminded me of

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Speaker 12: the scenes from Ronald Reagan where he was also tackled

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Speaker 12: by the Secret Service and a protective crouch and thrust

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Speaker 12: into the car. And at the time everyone was assuming

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Speaker 12: that he was okay, and little did we know President

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Speaker 12: Reagan had suffered a gunshot wound life threatening, and in

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Speaker 12: this case it was less harmful, but nonetheless dangerous. All

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Speaker 12: I could think about was, you know, that bullet came

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Speaker 12: so close to creating a national disaster. And so we

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Speaker 12: have a moment here we can step back and say, look,

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Speaker 12: is this really the politics we want? Is this the

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Speaker 12: kind of environment we want to operate in. I've done

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Speaker 12: a lot of presidential campaigns over the years, and this

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Speaker 12: one had descended into a very dark place. And I'm

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Speaker 12: hopeful that maybe this is a moment where both the professionals,

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Speaker 12: the candidates, and the public could take a step back.

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Speaker 3: Rick Davis, you bring up that resonance. I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of us had the same thought yesterday, just about

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Speaker 3: how we're talking about a matter of inches, if not

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Speaker 3: centimeters here, and things could have been a world worse.

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Speaker 3: But I think about what we learned about the aftermath

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Speaker 3: of that attempt on Ronald Reagan's life and the moments

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Speaker 3: of humor that took place in the emergency room when

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Speaker 3: he kind of paraphrased Jack Dempsey and told his wife

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Speaker 3: told Nancy Reagan, Honey, I forgot to duck. And we

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Speaker 3: learned about how he processed what had happened, the attempt

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Speaker 3: on his life, and then worked to move the nation forward.

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Speaker 3: What can we learn from what happened back in nineteen

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Speaker 3: eighty one? What can we Tom and I and our listeners,

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Speaker 3: but the country as well. And again, I'm looking for

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Speaker 3: your prescription here of sort of how we process what's

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Speaker 3: happened and how we turned that into something good and

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Speaker 3: get the kind of change that you're talking about, the

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Speaker 3: kind of cooler rhetoric that might prevail here.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think we look to our leaders to give

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Speaker 12: us that kind of guy. And I think that's why

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Speaker 12: we're in the place we're at, because it's been very

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Speaker 12: easy for our national leadership whether it's the party out

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Speaker 12: of power party in power to demagogue and and and

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Speaker 12: create fear and govern that way. And I think Ron

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Speaker 12: Reagan showed us the way. As you point out, he

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Speaker 12: used humor to to kind of calm the situation. And

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Speaker 12: I thought I was looking very intently at President Biden's

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Speaker 12: comments last night. People tune in, they want to know

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Speaker 12: that there's not something bigger happening around all this, Right,

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Speaker 12: you wonder is this just one event of the series.

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Speaker 12: And I thought he did a good job. This is

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Speaker 12: what Joe Biden does well.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 12: We've been very critical of President Biden for a lot

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Speaker 12: of the things he's not been doing well lately, but

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Speaker 12: in this case, he was empathetic, you know, even just

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Speaker 12: the slight twist where he referred to Donald Trump as Donald.

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Speaker 12: It was a nuance that I'm not sure he actually

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Speaker 12: intended to do, but I think at that point, when

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Speaker 12: he was standing talking to the American public trying to

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Speaker 12: calm their fears, you know, he used a very colloquial

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Speaker 12: address for the former president, I thought that was from

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Speaker 12: the heart. So I think it'll be interesting to see

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Speaker 12: the Biden campaign withdrew all their ads. Of course, they

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Speaker 12: were all negative attack ads on Donald Trump, very appropriate

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Speaker 12: for the times. And so the next step will be

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Speaker 12: Donald Trump's He'll arrive here tomorrow and in Milwaukee to

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Speaker 12: address his supporters what would normally be red meat week.

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Speaker 12: You know, normally we'd hear every attack on the president

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Speaker 12: to try and you get excited that the shock troops

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Speaker 12: of the Republican Party, and it'll be interesting to see

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Speaker 12: how that gets modulated if it does. This is a

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Speaker 12: moment to address that kind of rhetoric. And I think

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Speaker 12: the Democrats and the Biden campaign have done the first

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Speaker 12: step in withdrawing these attack ads and going on national

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Speaker 12: television and asking for unity, and I would I wouldn't

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Speaker 12: be surprised that the President Trump does the same thing

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Speaker 12: and uses this moment to address the nation in a

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Speaker 12: different way. I know for sure that the Program Committee

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Speaker 12: of the Convention is rewriting a lot of speeches today,

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Speaker 12: and so there are a lot of really smart guys

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Speaker 12: sitting in a dusk trying to crank out a completely

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Speaker 12: different program. That's what they had going into this convention.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday, a whole different agenda.

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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about what I mentioned when

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Speaker 3: we went to break just a few minutes ago, and

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Speaker 3: that is, as you're saying, just a moment ago, you

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Speaker 3: have you have present bind pulling those ads, scaling back

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Speaker 3: the outreach that they're making to voters. There is this

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Speaker 3: Marque interview that's going to take place tomorrow in Texas

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Speaker 3: with NBC News. But speak, if you would, to the

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Speaker 3: pickle that the White House finds itself in now going

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Speaker 3: quite in the way that you think rightly they should

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Speaker 3: be doing, the focus shifting here to Milwaukee and the

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Speaker 3: Republican National Convention, but all the while still this specter

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Speaker 3: of needing to do more, of needing to be out there,

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Speaker 3: needing to show that this president has the competency and

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Speaker 3: capacity to serve a second term in the White House.

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Speaker 3: There have been so many advisors like yourself, suggesting that

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Speaker 3: what Joe Biden needs to do is more be out there,

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Speaker 3: more talking, more reaching out to voters. More safe to say,

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Speaker 3: this complicates things so greatly.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, this is going to change everything for both sides.

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Speaker 12: And I think it may anure to the benefit of

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Speaker 12: the Democratic campaign because right now they're in a tail spin.

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Speaker 12: The turmoil that has existed in the Biden campaign since

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Speaker 12: the debate performance that was subpar at best, has really

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Speaker 12: question whether or not they can even consider continue his candidacy.

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Speaker 12: This will freeze everything. The combination of this incident, an

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Speaker 12: assassination attempt on a former president, and the Republican Convention

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Speaker 12: here will really change the spotlight. It's all been on

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Speaker 12: Joe Biden. And you know, we've watched his every public

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Speaker 12: appearance with holding our breath for fear that we see

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Speaker 12: that same kind of performance. And he's and he's done better, right,

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01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,799
Speaker 12: and he's stabilized a bit, But this gives him a breather. This,

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Speaker 12: this will change the focus from him to Donald Trump,

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Speaker 12: and our eyes will not be focused on Biden and

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Speaker 12: his campaign for some time. It'll take at least a

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Speaker 12: week for this convention to go through its pieces. The President,

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Speaker 12: to take an advantage of the situation, finds himself in

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Speaker 12: the entire world, will be riveted to his speech here

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Speaker 12: on Thursday night, accepting the nominate and putting the campaign

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Speaker 12: on a course a new dialogue with the American public,

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Speaker 12: and it'll be probably the most important speech Donald Trump

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Speaker 12: is in his entire life.

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Speaker 2: Rick Davis, I have to ask this, it's a little

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Speaker 2: bit off, but unfortunately I don't think it's off full disclosure, folks.

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Speaker 2: My father was a life member of the NRA. He

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Speaker 2: was someone who adored hunting and being out in the fields,

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Speaker 2: and that Rick Davis, you grew up with twenty Mule Team,

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Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan, and he loved to get on the horse

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Speaker 2: and go through the thunder of California showing the West.

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Speaker 2: You are intimately affected by an edge of purple strait Arizona,

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Speaker 2: where there is a culture of the West. We saw

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Speaker 2: yesterday the continuing culture of weapons, of guns, of ak

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Speaker 2: whatever's in America. Can this be a seismic moment where

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Speaker 2: we finally figure out this affair with weaponry in America?

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Speaker 12: You know, Tom, it's a really good question, and we

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Speaker 12: ask this question every time there's a school shooting, but this.

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Speaker 2: Is different, as the school shootings are appalling, But you know,

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Speaker 2: this changes the dialogue, I would respectfully suggest, I would hope.

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Speaker 12: So I've expected some kind of event that would finally

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Speaker 12: force an open and honest discussion about the use of

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Speaker 12: military grade weapons in society. And this is a riveting

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Speaker 12: moment to have that conversation. Unfortunately, coming at the tail

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Speaker 12: end of a Congress, at the end of an administration,

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Speaker 12: and in the heat of a campaign, it's going to

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Speaker 12: blunt that conversation. I can't imagine anything productive happening in Washington,

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Speaker 12: d C. Right now, considering the state of our politics.

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Speaker 12: Maybe this is the moment where everyone takes a step back,

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Speaker 12: and I think that's going to be completely in the

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Speaker 12: category of something Donald Trump is responsible for. He has

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Speaker 12: this chance. Democrats can't do. Democrats can't go to the

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Speaker 12: well and say another example of why we need to

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Speaker 12: ban assault weapons. Only Donald Trump could actually shake the

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Speaker 12: foundation of that Second Amendment crowd within our party to say, Okay,

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Speaker 12: we've had enough and we have to do something about this.

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Speaker 12: And certainly he'd find common cause with most of Congress

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Speaker 12: right now, who have been on the precipice of doing

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Speaker 12: something about this but just hasn't had the catalyst like

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Speaker 12: this to take real action. But the wins against it

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01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 12: are strong. The timing is bad. From a legislative point

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01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 12: of view, getting anything out of Congress, as we've seen

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Speaker 12: in the last six months, is virtually impossible, but it

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Speaker 12: doesn't mean that it can't can't still happen, And I

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Speaker 12: think that's part of the message that Donald Trump as

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Speaker 12: the opportunity to give to the convention, because it's only

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Speaker 12: when you change your own party that things happen. You

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01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 12: can you never make progress by attacking the opposition. That's

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Speaker 12: sort of standard operating procedure. And what I used to

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Speaker 12: love about John McCain is he believed in poks on

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Speaker 12: both the houses. He would have he would go after

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Speaker 12: Republicans as much as he would go after Democrats, and

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Speaker 12: and and that made it effective because his intentions were

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Speaker 12: honest in that regard.

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Speaker 3: Rick, very quickly here you bring up your former boss,

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Speaker 3: the late Senator John McCain, And I think there were

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Speaker 3: a few people who warned about our deteriorating politics more

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Speaker 3: and more forcefully than he did. When you look at

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Speaker 3: what's happened since he was issuing those clarion calls about

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Speaker 3: where things were headed, how dark things were likely to become.

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Speaker 3: Do you see a missed opportunity? Was this kind of

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Speaker 3: an inevitable rolled downhill to where we are today? Or

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Speaker 3: was there something more that you think could have been

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Speaker 3: done in a particular moment, that politicians of both stripes

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Speaker 3: could have done more.

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Speaker 12: Oh? Sure, in retrospect, you can always find moments that

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01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 12: could have it could have been different, right, even at

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Speaker 12: the start of the Biden presidency, he actually could have

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Speaker 12: I've heard this many times. I thought it was brilliant.

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Speaker 12: I think my friend Met Romney had said something about,

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Speaker 12: you know, Biden should have just pardoned Trump, right. Could

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Speaker 12: you imagine the tumult we would have missed if there

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Speaker 12: had not been this aggressive effort to prosecuting regardless of

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Speaker 12: whether you know, you think he's you're innocent, and of

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Speaker 12: course he's been proven guilty by a jury of his peers.

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Speaker 12: But that put the country through a very, very difficult time.

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Speaker 12: I just remember here we are in Wisconsin, the presidence

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Speaker 12: of mine of my friend John McCain, at a town

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Speaker 12: hall in the heat of the campaign, and a woman

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Speaker 12: looks at him and in a big crowd, and she says,

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Speaker 12: while he's on camera, you know that Barack Obama is

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Speaker 12: a Muslim and he's out to hurt American And John

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Speaker 12: McCain stood up in a group of supporters and said, no, man, no,

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Speaker 12: he's a good man, he's a good family man, and

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Speaker 12: we just have a disagreement on how to run the country.

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01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 12: I mean, the presence of mind to do that in

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01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 12: the heat of the moment is what distinguishes good politicians

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Speaker 12: from great politicians, and I think this is a moment

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01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 12: in time. This is the Trump opportunity to do the

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Speaker 12: same thing standing in a group of his supporters on

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Speaker 12: Thursday night. He can change the political dynamic right now.

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Speaker 2: Rick Davis, thank you for decades of perspective, Rick Davis.

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Speaker 2: Of course, with Joe Matthew and Kayley Lines in Milwaukee,

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Speaker 2: speaking of what you get a short moment here with

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Speaker 2: Joe Matthew and then we'll come back for extended comments

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Speaker 2: with Joe Matthew. He is leading our coverage in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: Joe Matthew, how did your cover VERD change last night

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Speaker 2: six thirty?

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Speaker 14: Well, it's a great question here because it's still changing.

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01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 14: I think that this twenty four hour period between the

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01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 14: time those shots rang out and when we are on

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01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 14: the air, and then another twenty four hours before the

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Speaker 14: start of this convention, You're going to see a lot

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Speaker 14: more changes, which is why I'm really urging people to

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01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 14: not try to be in the business of predicting things.

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Speaker 14: This is a pretty dark feeling, I'll be honest with

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Speaker 14: you this morning in Milwaukee, and a lot of folks

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01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 14: were bewildered last evening We were on the plane when

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01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 14: this news broke with a lot of politicos and a

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Speaker 14: lot of media types, and it's just one of those

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01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 14: moments where you have to try to project as little

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01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 14: as possible and take the news in. And that's what

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Speaker 14: we're going to do today on Blueberg.

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Speaker 3: Joe, we see that the former president deeed is going

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Speaker 3: to Milwaukee, planning to give that speech on Thursday, but

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Speaker 3: also saying that he's going to be a large presence

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Speaker 3: throughout the proceedings over the course of the week.

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Speaker 1: Is that a change.

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Speaker 3: Did we expect to see him there as early? And

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Speaker 3: what will you be watching for as these get underway?

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Speaker 3: Tom making the very student observation a little while ago.

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Speaker 3: Conventions have a lot of speakers. Some are more important

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01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 3: than others, some more marquee than others, have more important

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01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 3: things to say. Of course, we're waiting for the vice

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01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 3: presidential pick as well. Do you get a sense this

1443
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 3: will be much more closely watched now as a result of.

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Speaker 14: This, Oh, it surely will be. This could be the

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Speaker 14: most watched political convention in history when you consider the

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01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 14: moment we were already in with Joe Biden. Now, this

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01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 14: is an incredible moment, regardless of your politics. But you

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01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 14: ask a great question. In twenty sixteen, Donald Trump kind

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01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 14: of up ended the tradition of holding the nominee until

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01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 14: the last night. You know, it's like you don't see

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01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 14: the bride before the wedding. Here and Donald Trump came

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01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 14: out on the first night. He would pop his head

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Speaker 14: outside on the stage, just a wave to get a

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01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 14: round of applause. He didn't want to let a knight

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Speaker 14: go by without soaking it up. And I suspect that

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01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 14: that will be the go forward here. My bigger question

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01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 14: is when do we first see him in public? What

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01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 14: will be the staging? How will he look when he's

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Speaker 14: in front of cameras the first time? Probably today?

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Speaker 2: So Matthew Howley, particularly the Republican Party away from the

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Speaker 2: core constituency of President Trump, how do they move on

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Speaker 2: in Milwaukee?

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Speaker 14: Well, my gosh, we haven't even started yet. So the

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01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 14: idea of moving on from this is going to take

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01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 14: a minute. Here, I just see a choice. This could

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Speaker 14: go a couple of different ways. At some point, we'll

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01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 14: see Donald Trump in front of a camera today. His

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01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 14: demeanor is going to mean a lot. He's going to

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Speaker 14: be cleaned up. He will probably be bandaged. Well, if

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Speaker 14: here with members of the Secret Service, is that politically

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Speaker 14: sound at this moment. Those are some of the questions

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Speaker 14: around the optics that I have here. But look, there

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Speaker 14: was a real tone of retribution around this program. Martyrdom.

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Speaker 14: Dana White from the UFC is going to be speaking.

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Speaker 14: It looks like on Thursday night, when the former President

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Speaker 14: of the United States receives this nomination, if they lean

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Speaker 14: into that, it's going to be an important moment. If

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01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 14: Donald Trump decides to embrace moderation here, it too will

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01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 14: be important. And I'm not sure that they have even

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01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,799
Speaker 14: arrived in that place yet. We're just waking up today

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Speaker 14: with a lot of people having a sense of where

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01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 14: they want to go, having slept on it, and there's

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01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 14: just great uncertainty around this whole program. Rick Davis talked

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Speaker 14: about it. You remember his convention in two thousand and eight.

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01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 14: I was in the Twin Cities for that. There was

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Speaker 14: a hurricane on the Gulf Coast on the first day

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Speaker 14: of that convention. They had to change their plans on

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01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 14: the spot to avoid a split screen that could have

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01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 14: been very damaging to the nominee. In this case, they're

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Speaker 14: going to have to make decisions like that as well

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Speaker 14: in real time.

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Speaker 3: I remember that well, and remember how it contrasted what

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Speaker 3: the Democrats had in Denver that year, which was a

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Speaker 3: convention the likes of which we hadn't seen before, both

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Speaker 3: in terms of scale and scope, filling up mile high

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Speaker 3: stadium with folks for Barack Obama's address. Then I imagine, Joe,

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Speaker 3: you're doing what I'm doing, which is, you know, we

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01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 3: have this kind of skeleton agenda that we've gotten from

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Speaker 3: the Republican National Committee and the convention, detailing which delegation

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Speaker 3: is going to be ware for what, and movies and

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Speaker 3: all kinds of things like that. And then you know,

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01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 3: before this happened yesterday, we got this kind of comprehensive

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01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 3: list of who the headliners are going to be at

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01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 3: the convention, and you mentioned Dana White as one of them,

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01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 3: but you know, you look at who else is on here,

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Speaker 3: certainly all of the front runners for that vice presidential position,

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Speaker 3: various campaign advisors. Lee Greenwood is on there as well.

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Speaker 3: What can you divine from looking at that list? You

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01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 3: talked about grievance and retribution? What does it tell you

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Speaker 3: just that list of what I guess thirty or forty

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Speaker 3: names that we got from the Trump campaign over the weekend.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's interesting. It was the number of senators that

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Speaker 14: kind of blew me away, considering the idea that this

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Speaker 14: was such a controversial figure coming out of January six.

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Speaker 3: Almost a dozen of them, I think if I count.

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Speaker 14: Right, that is right. Of course a couple of them

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Speaker 14: would like to be vice president. No big shockers there.

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Speaker 14: I mean, look to see Dana White on stage is

1519
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 14: going to be bizarre, amber Rose, this is part of

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Speaker 14: the job at a convention like this, But how will

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01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 14: that list change? There's one name that was taken off

1522
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 14: the list of speakers, and that's Milannia Trump. Now, after

1523
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 14: what we just experienced here in this country, are you

1524
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 14: telling me that the former first Lady will not appear

1525
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 14: on stage with Donald Trump or will not say words

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01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 14: of the podium. I think those are the kind of

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Speaker 14: details are coming back around on now when it comes

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Speaker 14: to best speaker's.

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Speaker 3: List, remarkable, Tom and the list is divided between entertainer's celebrities,

1530
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 3: industry leaders, members of Congress, then family. So it's Joe

1531
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 3: rightly mentioned that we've got Donald Trump, Junior, Eric Trump,

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01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 3: Laura Trump, who's the co chair of the.

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Speaker 2: RNC, and Kim Bill to both of you, and David,

1534
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 2: let me go to you here, and it's just Joe

1535
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 2: and Jenny, She and Xanna waiting for us. David, that's

1536
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 2: always the case. This horrific event is happening. But I

1537
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:31,640
Speaker 2: don't think anybody's consulted out President Trump needs to decide

1538
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 2: how President Trump will change Milwaukee period.

1539
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 1: I think that that's the case.

1540
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 3: And you know, we talked a little bit about the

1541
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 3: piece that Tim Alberta wrote for The Atlantic at the

1542
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 3: top of the show, really looking at this campaign, the

1543
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 3: kind of campaign that Donald Trump is running this time around,

1544
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 3: Susy Wild's heading it up. And you know, I know

1545
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 3: we're going to come back to Joe here in just

1546
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 3: a little bit, but I'm eager to hear sort of

1547
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 3: the gree to which the former president is shaping this,

1548
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 3: the degree to which he's going to defer to the

1549
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 3: leadership of that campaign, if they're going to maintain the

1550
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 3: kind of discipline that they've had here leading up to this,

1551
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:03,640
Speaker 3: which if you look at the polls, look at how

1552
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 3: things are going has worked clearly worked so effectively for them.

1553
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 2: Joe, We're gonna let you go and come back, but

1554
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 2: quickly here they're gonna move the perimeters in Milwaukee. Are

1555
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 2: you and your team coverage going to be pushed out

1556
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 2: to Whitefish Bay?

1557
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 14: Look, it's a great we could be enveloped by the perimeters.

1558
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 14: That that's the one thing that we're waiting to find

1559
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 14: out because we were kind of on the edge of

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01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 14: it right now. Bloomberg has a bit of a house

1561
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 14: set up here. So whether we're engulf or not, I

1562
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 14: will say it's probably a good time to not be

1563
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 14: in the perimeter because it's going to be harder to

1564
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 14: get in there than it is today.

1565
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 1: It's like real world bounce of power.

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01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: Look, I've got a house that.

1568
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 2: Kaylee Lines and Joe Matthew leading our coverage, and again

1569
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 2: Joel joined us here this morning in their special coverage

1570
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 2: tonight at five pm worldwide on Bloomberg Radio and Bloomberg

1571
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 2: Television as well. She has been patient. She is of

1572
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 2: Ionia University. Jenny, She and Zana joins us right now. Jennie,

1573
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 2: just to begin the coverage here, your thoughts on this

1574
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 2: horrific event of yesterday.

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Speaker 15: Well, you know, we are all so lucky that the president,

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01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 15: the former president, is a close, Caul, that is that.

1577
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Speaker 2: Was my I don't mean to interrupt you, but that

1578
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 2: was my first thought this morning when I woke up

1579
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 2: after no sleep tonight. Continue yeah, and me as.

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01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 15: Well, Tom, And you know how close he came. I mean,

1581
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 15: we are all so grateful for that. And I think

1582
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 15: the questions you were just all talking about with Joe

1583
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 15: are the ones that I have. How does this impact

1584
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 15: the convention? Certainly the program we accept now they will

1585
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,799
Speaker 15: have a moment of silence for the victims of this shooting.

1586
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 15: These iconic photos which portray the former president as in

1587
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 15: a show of strength, I mean, the idea that he

1588
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 15: could stand up after being shot, put his fist in

1589
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 15: the air and say fight, fight, fight. It is. These

1590
01:25:55,880 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 15: are iconic images, and certainly the delegates here that they

1591
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 15: of the party. They are both grateful and angry, and

1592
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 15: we heard some of that anger yesterday and I think

1593
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 15: we'll hear more of that. People like jd Vancerew very

1594
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 15: well could be the vice presidential nominee. He just a

1595
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 15: few hours after this horrific incident blamed it on Joe

1596
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 15: Biden's rhetoric. And that is not something that is isolated.

1597
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 15: That is something you hear from the Republican base that

1598
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 15: they are angry, and so how that anger is you know,

1599
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 15: transferred into the convention hall. These are all things that

1600
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 15: we're going to be watching for here.

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01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 3: I saw that tweet as well from the junior Senator

1602
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 3: of Ohio that rhetoric led directly to the assassination attempt

1603
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 3: of Donald Trump. And we'll see here in the coming

1604
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 3: hours how widely that's embraced by other members of the

1605
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 3: Republican Party. Certainly, you know, I'm curious. I know that

1606
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,879
Speaker 3: you have a background in public opinion polling and research,

1607
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 3: and Tom has rightly said, we don't want to dwell

1608
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 3: too much here on the politics, and you know what

1609
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 3: this means for the campaign itself at this moment in time.

1610
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 3: But when you look at sort of where things were

1611
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 3: and how this is likely to change the terrain, the

1612
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 3: political terrain here going into Milwaukee, what are your expectations

1613
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 3: as we come from two weeks back, that disastrous debate Atlanta,

1614
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 3: the effort on the White House's part to change course

1615
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 3: get President Biden out there more. We now have this

1616
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,799
Speaker 3: seismic event in this campaign, seismic event in American political history.

1617
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 3: How do you see it reshaping the landscape.

1618
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,839
Speaker 15: You know, I'm not sure it's going to change public

1619
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 15: opinions polling much. The anger that we are just talking

1620
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 15: about reflected by jd Vance, that is reflected in the base,

1621
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 15: and these are people who have supported and will continue

1622
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 15: to support the former president. They need to reach out

1623
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 15: to those a sort of Nikky Hayley voters, moderate independence,

1624
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 15: And the question is does this change anything for that

1625
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:55,719
Speaker 15: small segment of the population. We haven't seen much movement

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01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 15: there yet. I'm not sure we're going to see that.

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01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 10: But if you look at history.

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01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 15: And you look at say, the shooting of President Reagan,

1629
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 15: just you know, months into his presidency, you did see

1630
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 15: a change in the public opinion support for the former president.

1631
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 15: Obviously very different time and circumstances, but he was a

1632
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 15: polarizing figure and his public opinion support increased after his shooting.

1633
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 15: So that is a possibility as well.

1634
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 2: Jenny, thank you so much. We're out of time. It's

1635
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 2: way too short of visit with you. I've got about

1636
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 2: eight more questions, including the purpleness of some of these

1637
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 2: swing states, but we'll get much more from Jenny. She

1638
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 2: and Zeno of Iona College, a University. I should say

1639
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,560
Speaker 2: in New Rochelle. She's a wonderful advisor to Bloomberg with

1640
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 2: perspective and through Milwaukee. In Chicago, David, what do you have?

1641
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:48,799
Speaker 3: We were talking with Joe just about security in Milwaukee,

1642
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 3: and Michael Wadley, who's the chairperson of the Republican National Committee,

1643
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 3: was on Fox News Sunday this morning asked about security

1644
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 3: at that convention. Didn't get into specifics, according to our

1645
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 3: colleagues who were following all the commentary on these shows

1646
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 3: this morning, but did say the GOP is working with

1647
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 3: forty different law enforcement agencies. He said, quote, this is

1648
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 3: going to be a facility where we're going to be

1649
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,799
Speaker 3: able to have fifty thousand delegates and alternates and guests

1650
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 3: and members of the media who are going to be

1651
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 3: here and who are going to be safe. That is

1652
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,839
Speaker 3: very critical for us. Again, the chairperson of the Republican

1653
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 3: National Committee.

1654
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:20,719
Speaker 2: Bloomberg Radio and across all of our digital services, David

1655
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 2: Gura and Tom Keen a special edition of Bloomberg Surveillance.

1656
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 2: The team has worked through the night. I think there's

1657
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 2: a couple all nighters. It's just like in the old days,

1658
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 2: all nighters to get yourself the Finally, a special edition

1659
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:46,759
Speaker 2: of Bloomberg Surveillance. Good morning everyone, Tom Keen with David

1660
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 2: Gura from our studios in New York. We're trying to

1661
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 2: do conversation forward after this horrific assassination attempt, and David,

1662
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,759
Speaker 2: you mentioned it, the shock of it only really beginning

1663
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,520
Speaker 2: to settle in for me. With all of the images

1664
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:05,600
Speaker 2: and all of the modern news coverage, there's just that cadence.

1665
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 2: It is true shock that we process over a violence

1666
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 2: of this. You mentioned earlier the New York Times photograph

1667
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 2: of the image of a bullet passing by the former president.

1668
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 3: Doug Mills capturing that photograph, and there was this pool

1669
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 3: of four or five photographers there at the base of

1670
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 3: the stage in Butler, Pennsylvania. You saw those photographers scramble

1671
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 3: to capture some truly iconic, disturbing and iconic images of

1672
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 3: the former president as he fell to the ground and

1673
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 3: was surrounded by members of the Secret Service. We're looking

1674
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 3: ahead to Milwaukee, but before we get there, we have

1675
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,639
Speaker 3: to stop in Washington, DC. That is where this hour

1676
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 3: present Biden's scheduled to be brief once again by law

1677
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 3: enforcement and Homeland security officials on what's happened in Pennsylvania,

1678
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:51,639
Speaker 3: the status of that investigation, but also sort of what

1679
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 3: this means politically, what this means for the country culturally.

1680
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 3: These are paramount questions. So we moved to the start

1681
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 3: at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee tomorrow time.

1682
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 2: And David, before we get to Hedrona, she's in the

1683
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 2: airport in Pittsburgh and we'll capture her before she heads

1684
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 2: off to Milwaukee. The Sunday talk shows, of which Bloomberg

1685
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 2: Radio has been committed to well over a decade. We'll

1686
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 2: have four hours of the talk shows for you starting

1687
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 2: at eleven am here in fifty eight minutes about them.

1688
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 2: They are a settling point. I'm going to be blunt

1689
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:29,600
Speaker 2: for the elites of America. You've lived it, you've done them.

1690
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 2: What is the impact of these Sunday talk shows among

1691
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 2: the Beltway crew this morning as they adjust to Milwaukee.

1692
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:41,600
Speaker 3: And then Chicago, Well, having lived it, no night is

1693
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 3: longer than Saturday night going into one of these shows,

1694
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 3: particularly if news happens, and we haven't seen news like

1695
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 3: this obviously in some time. But I know that Margaret Brennan,

1696
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 3: the host to Face the Nation, has been candid about

1697
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 3: this with you on air.

1698
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: As well.

1699
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 3: The shows try their best to get the most salient

1700
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 3: comments from guests, the best guests that they can get

1701
01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 3: for that Sunday morning, and we see that in terms

1702
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 3: of who's on them. We're talking just a moment ago

1703
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 3: about the chairman of the RNC was on Fox News

1704
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 3: Sunday talking about plans for Milwaukee. We know that Chris Coons,

1705
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 3: the Senator from Delaware, a close friend and confidante of

1706
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 3: President Joe Biden, is going to be on Meet the

1707
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 3: Press this morning. I'm very interested to hear what he

1708
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 3: has to say, yes about the state of that campaign,

1709
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 3: the state of his friend Joe Biden, who one can

1710
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,639
Speaker 3: only imagine has been shaken by what's happened here as well,

1711
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 3: and what the Democratic Party's plans are going forward here

1712
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 3: as they really have no choice but to watch what

1713
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 3: unfolds in Milwaukee over these next few days.

1714
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 2: In the mountains of western Pennsylvania and the Appalachia of Coal,

1715
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 2: which is David mentioned, used to be turned into steel

1716
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 2: a little bit still today, there is one lonely plateau

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Speaker 2: and they decided to plan an airport on top of it.

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Speaker 2: It's really challenging, to say the least pit is a

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh airport and there Heydrian Loewencren joins us right now

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Speaker 2: of course with Bloomberg News, our White House correspondent. Hey, Joan,

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Speaker 2: what you learned in the last hour, Well, well.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me on here. You know, again,

1723
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Speaker 4: as you mentioned when looking ahead to Milwaukee, we just

1724
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 4: received a memo from the Trump campaign that they were

1725
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 4: panting arms to come. And you know what's also you

1726
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:21,719
Speaker 4: know that we're investigating is what will happen to future

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01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 4: big outdoor events like this. How will these types of

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Speaker 4: rallies continue? How will campaign and continue? You know, And

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01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 4: as you mentioned, we have people up on guests, lawmakers,

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01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 4: people in charge of the R and C on all

1731
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 4: these talk shows. Everyone is figuring this out for the

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01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 4: first time. But the security at the convention, who the

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01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 4: VP is, What it means to have a VP in

1734
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,600
Speaker 4: terms of someone who is able to take on the

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01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 4: job of the president should something like this happen across

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01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 4: both parties is something that we're chasing right now.

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Speaker 3: Tom Hendrian is hitting on something that I've thought a

1738
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 3: lot about, having read presidential memoirs before political memoirs, there

1739
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 3: is this very sobering moment if you're picked to be

1740
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 3: the vice presidential nominee. With that comes the immediate onslaught

1741
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,680
Speaker 3: of having a security apparatus surround you, and with that,

1742
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 3: I think an awareness of the fact that you were

1743
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 3: doing something that could potentially have great personal peril. And

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01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 3: of course that was in stark relief last night in

1745
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 3: Western Pennsylvania Heydron. Let me get back to something you

1746
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 3: said just a moment ago, which is the importance of

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01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 3: these rallies to this campaign. And I think, looking back

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01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 3: on twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, to some extent, although

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01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 3: we had the pandemic interceding, this is stock in trade

1750
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 3: for Donald Trump. He loves to do these big events.

1751
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 3: He had fifteen thousand people in that field in Western

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01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania yesterday. What would it mean if, pushing ahead to

1753
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 3: November after this convention, there is shall we say, a

1754
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 3: reduced interest in doing big events like this. I'm struck

1755
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 3: by what we were all talking about. Going into that

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01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 3: debate in Atlanta a few weeks ago. There was some

1757
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 3: speculation among the chattering class that that format wasn't going

1758
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 3: to serve Donald Trump well because there wouldn't be an audience,

1759
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 3: he wouldn't be able to fall nade and have the

1760
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 3: warm reception of those who had gathered in the crowd.

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01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 3: I think an actual fact, he played it pretty well.

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01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:07,679
Speaker 3: He didn't need that audience, and he stayed very focused

1763
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:10,640
Speaker 3: and very disciplined. What does it mean for this campaign if,

1764
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 3: as you suggest, there could be a moment here now

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01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 3: where it becomes unpalatable or unadvised or not interesting to

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01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 3: this campaign to have those kind of big crowds and

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01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 3: big events that have had for the last two times we've

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01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:23,839
Speaker 3: mounted a presidential campaign.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has right.

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Speaker 4: So, as you just mentioned, the rallies have been a

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01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 4: huge part, and Trump thrives off of the audience there,

1772
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 4: but he is able to do more. First of all,

1773
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:39,760
Speaker 4: of course, he already has the ID, the name recognition.

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Speaker 4: This is something we were thinking about a while ago

1775
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 4: when all of the indictments came about and we weren't

1776
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 4: sure to what extent he would be locked in the courtroom.

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Speaker 4: As we all know, in when he was in New York,

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01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 4: he was able to have some smaller events, still pulling

1779
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 4: in the press, still keeping the attention on him. So

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01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 4: he's definitely able to kind of work around. It's something

1781
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 4: else that's been really big social media. He is on

1782
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 4: truth Social his platform frequently and a lot of other

1783
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 4: people are tapped into that. So he is still finding

1784
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 4: so many other channels to communicate with his base. And

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01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 4: not to mention, rallies are expensive, you know. Right now

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01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 4: he has actually kind of caught up with Biden in

1787
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 4: the money race, succeeded it, even exceeded him even but

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01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 4: before that, when our reporting was showing that rallies were

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01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 4: a big source of a money drain from him, and

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01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 4: so this could be something that cost affected as well.

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Speaker 2: Safe travels Hedrio on the Lauren kren.

1792
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 1: The trade table, the plane and stow the trade table.

1793
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,679
Speaker 1: She's got to get to Milwaukee.

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01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 2: Butler Pennsylvania, to Pittsburgh and on to Milwaukee, or she

1795
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 2: will assist in our coverts Joe Matthew and Kaylee Linzier

1796
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 2: look for their coverage tonight if five pm across all

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01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 2: that we're doing. One of the great rules. And the

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Speaker 2: first time I ever ran into this, folks, was in

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Speaker 2: New Hampshire. I honestly can't remember if it was conquered.

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Speaker 2: I'll say it was Manchester. One of the most interesting

1801
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Speaker 2: hotels in the world is the Radison Hotel in Madison

1802
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 2: where there's a rotunda, and a million years ago we

1803
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 2: were all there doing the political thing that you do

1804
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 2: in the New Hampster primary, and I looked at everybody's

1805
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 2: cell phone, which probably done was a Pom Pilot, and

1806
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 2: everyone was looking at this new thing called Politico. Ah,

1807
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 2: there is something about being weaned at Politico which makes

1808
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 2: you a different reporter. Nancy Cook for years of Politico

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01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 2: and institution there, and we are thrilled that she is

1810
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Speaker 2: our senior national correspondent this morning.

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Speaker 3: Good friend of the show, friend of mine as well.

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Speaker 1: Nancy. Great to speak with you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, weaned it at Politico, raised here at Bloomberg where

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01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 3: she covered that the treup campaign, all four years of it. Nancy,

1815
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 3: you and I have been talking a lot about the

1816
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:49,440
Speaker 3: way that Donald Trump has been waging this particular campaign,

1817
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 3: about the role that Susie Wiles has been playing, about

1818
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 3: his advisor's ability to keep him focused, keep him talking

1819
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 3: about what they think the American public wants to hear, about,

1820
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 3: getting him to suppress some of the things that he,

1821
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:05,680
Speaker 3: let's just say it, likes to talk about and focus on.

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Speaker 3: How much confidence do you have in their ability to

1823
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,760
Speaker 3: keep to be listening very closely to what he has

1824
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:13,479
Speaker 3: to say whenever he says it. After this attack yesterday,

1825
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:16,599
Speaker 3: but do you have confidence that that has staying power.

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01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:18,839
Speaker 3: There are emphasis that they've placed to him that he needs.

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Speaker 1: To stay focused.

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Speaker 16: I think that what happened last night, which was terrifying

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01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 16: and tragic, you know, just objectively, we'll focus him even more.

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Speaker 16: He is going to head into the Republican National Convention

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01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 16: in Milwaukee, where I am right now, I think, with

1832
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,440
Speaker 16: such a sense of purpose and such a clear message

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01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 16: that you know his enemies are after him. This is

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01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 16: going to turn him into even more of a movement figure.

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01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 16: It's going to give his supporters even more of a

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01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:50,880
Speaker 16: sense of him as a fighter, and it has really,

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01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 16: i think, rallied the country around him, because of course,

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01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 16: no one wants this type of political violence, and we've

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01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:59,599
Speaker 16: seen already the Biden campaign saying they're going to pull

1840
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 16: down that ads. You know, they're going to go dark

1841
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:04,679
Speaker 16: for a little while. So this really gives Trump, i think,

1842
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 16: foremost of the week the stage, and I think that

1843
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 16: he will be very disciplined and understand how to use

1844
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 16: this moment, because regardless of what you think of him,

1845
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 16: he does have excellent political instincts.

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01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 3: Nancy, I want to ask you about five seconds in

1847
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 3: what happened yesterday, not when he was shot and when

1848
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 3: he fell to the floor, but what we were talking

1849
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:24,639
Speaker 3: about with Jean Zay now, just just a moment ago.

1850
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 3: That is the moment he stands up and raises his

1851
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 3: fist and says fight to the crowd. There was an

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01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 3: incredible wherewithal of that, an awareness of the fact that, look,

1853
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:39,679
Speaker 3: the unthinkable had happened. He'd been forced to the floor,

1854
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 3: He's bleeding out of his right ear, and yet there

1855
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 3: is this quintessential Donald Trumpian awareness of the fact that

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01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 3: he is, yes, surrounded by those fifteen thousand people. Perhaps

1857
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 3: he saw Doug Mills there with his camera and others,

1858
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 3: but he grasped the importance and lasting significance of that

1859
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 3: moment and wanting to share in the way that he

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01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:03,240
Speaker 3: so clearly has during the course of his political career

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01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 3: and business career before that.

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Speaker 16: Absolutely, and the image that was taken of that moment

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01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 16: with him with his sister rais above. There's blood streaming

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01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,240
Speaker 16: down his face, his right ear is bloody, and there's

1865
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 16: an American flag sort of waving behind him as he's

1866
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:21,680
Speaker 16: surrounded by Secret Service agents is iconic now, and it's

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01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 16: iconic sort of in the country. But you also saw

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01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 16: a lot of senators yesterday and Republicans and all these

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01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:31,559
Speaker 16: people sharing it on social media and sort of more

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01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 16: evidence of what a fighter he is. And to me,

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01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 16: they were talking about, you know, the fact that he

1872
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 16: survived the thirty four felony convictions, two impeachment trials, you know,

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01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 16: an assassination attempt for his supporters just adds to the

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01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 16: lore of like what he is able to overcome and

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01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 16: his resiliency.

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Speaker 2: What is his dynamic right now with the Republican middle

1877
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 2: in the grind of doing Bloomberg surveillance, Nancy. This has

1878
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:02,719
Speaker 2: been a constant and theme the loyalists, as we saw

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01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:05,479
Speaker 2: in Butler, Pennsylvania. They're not going to budget, They're going

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01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:09,639
Speaker 2: to be completely engaged. But what is a relationship now

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01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 2: versus four years ago of former President Trump with a

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Speaker 2: Republican middle.

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Speaker 16: I think that the relationship between him and the Republican

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01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 16: middle is still a little tricky. We have seen white

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01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 16: suburban women, for instance, still not come back to support him,

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01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,479
Speaker 16: and so I think just politically, the gamble that they're

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01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 16: trying to make for this election is you know, even

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01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:32,960
Speaker 16: if you can't get white suburban women, let's say, to

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01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 16: vote for you, they are going after voters who typically

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01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 16: do not vote Republican. They're going after younger black men,

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01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 16: They're going after Hispanics. We're seeing polling shows that Hispanics

1892
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 16: are really turning back towards Trump. And so they're trying

1893
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:50,439
Speaker 16: to actually like build a new coalition for this election.

1894
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 16: And it may work, it may not, but that is

1895
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 16: their strategy.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Cook, thank you so much for the generous time

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01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 2: today as you prepare for your work in Milwaukee. Nancy Cook,

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01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 2: Senior National corresponded. It is a joint out a turn

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01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:09,560
Speaker 2: to Greg Valier of New Hampshire, understanding that he referred

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01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:14,759
Speaker 2: in Sacramento Ronald Reagan outside the Hilton Hotel. I would

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01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 2: make a joke of James Garfield in eighteen eighty one,

1902
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:20,400
Speaker 2: but that was just before you know that you were

1903
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 2: the only one before Greg. It is an American curse,

1904
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:30,639
Speaker 2: this assassination and assassination surviving. I should say as well,

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01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 2: your thoughts of how Donald Trump will.

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Speaker 17: Change, Wow, this is a huge event for him. Tom

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01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 17: Good to be with you, not under these circumstances but

1908
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:45,600
Speaker 17: I do think that for Trump, this is going to

1909
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:48,720
Speaker 17: be a defining moment. I think he has an opportunity

1910
01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 17: to become an icon. The photo will become iconic. And

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01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 17: you got to say, Donald Trump is the clear, clear

1912
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 17: favorite to win the election.

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01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 3: Greg picking up on that, and we've asked a number

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01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:02,920
Speaker 3: of folks about the secret to get your perspective on

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01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 3: it as well. What does he have to say on Thursday?

1916
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 3: What would you like to hear him say on Thursday?

1917
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 3: How does he acknowledge what's happened? How does he move

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01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:11,759
Speaker 3: us the country forward?

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Speaker 17: I think he needs to lower the temperature, David, and

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01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 17: he has been, ironically in the last few weeks lowered

1921
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 17: the been lowering the temperature a bit. So I think

1922
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 17: he needs to be magnanimous. He needs to tone it down,

1923
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 17: and if he does, he picks up that last group

1924
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 17: that he needs that you guys were just talking about,

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01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 17: and that's the moderate centrist voters. I think he has

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01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 17: a chance now to win them as well.

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Speaker 3: Tom asking about what happened in the seventies, those two

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Speaker 3: attempts on Gerald Ford, which happened in pretty quick succession,

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Speaker 3: there was a degree to which we were I won't say,

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Speaker 3: we were inured to it, but this was a more

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Speaker 3: regular thing. And then we've had this lapse, and we've

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Speaker 3: talked about what happened to Steve Scalize, We've talked about

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Speaker 3: what happened to Gabrielle Gifford's, but no targeting of presidents

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Speaker 3: or presidential candidates in many decades. This is novelty territory

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Speaker 3: or a territory that we haven't trod in some time.

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Speaker 3: What do we signal to you culturally that we're here again.

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Speaker 17: Well, we can't relax. I mean, we still have to

1938
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Speaker 17: worry about these types of threats. I mean, I'm sure

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Speaker 17: people have said this morning to you guys, you know,

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Speaker 17: a quarter of an inch and we'd be having a

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Speaker 17: totally different conversation. I think there's also going to have

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Speaker 17: to be a really tough scrutiny of security around Trump.

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Speaker 17: A lot of people saw this guy with a rifle

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Speaker 17: and nobody took him out, and I think that's going

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Speaker 17: to have to be explored.

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Speaker 2: I look, Greg Vellier at the scope of this, and

1947
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Speaker 2: I am wedded to the tradition that you and I

1948
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Speaker 2: grew up with. GIRs far too young to remember this,

1949
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Speaker 2: But essentially we have modern conventions that are constructed media events,

1950
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Speaker 2: to stagger to a film opportunity to run tape in

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Speaker 2: October and into November. Did that equation change last yesterday

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Speaker 2: yesterday evening a bit.

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Speaker 17: I have to say, just to reiterate, I think this

1954
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Speaker 17: makes Trump an iconic figure. The blood streaming down his face,

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Speaker 17: the defiant fist clench. I mean, this is going to

1956
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Speaker 17: be the image that we'll see between now in November

1957
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Speaker 17: fifth and it, barring something extraordinary, some huge gas by Trump,

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Speaker 17: He's going to win well.

1959
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Speaker 2: And both of you weigh in here, David Ger, I'm

1960
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Speaker 2: going to go to you first of all. And there's

1961
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Speaker 2: people that have written speeches for presidents. Do you actually

1962
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Speaker 2: believe that Donald Trump as a speech writer or is

1963
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Speaker 2: he going to add lib this is only he can do.

1964
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Speaker 3: I go back to what we were talking about with Nancy.

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Speaker 3: I'm eager for Greg to jump in here as well.

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Speaker 3: I just feel like, and my sense is from all

1967
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Speaker 3: that I've read and heard from Nancy and others, that

1968
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Speaker 3: this campaign is more professional than past campaigns that Donald

1969
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Speaker 3: Trump has waged. He has folks running it who are experienced,

1970
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Speaker 3: more than competent, and again very professional, and so to

1971
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Speaker 3: answer your question. Who knows how much he will add

1972
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Speaker 3: lib be extemporaneous. We know that he likes to do that,

1973
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Speaker 3: but I think that he has the structure in place

1974
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Speaker 3: in this campaign to guide him in delivering a speech

1975
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Speaker 3: that will be effective and effectively capture this moment. Greg,

1976
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Speaker 3: I'd love to hear from you if you feel that the

1977
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Speaker 3: same way that this just it feels different than it

1978
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Speaker 3: did the.

1979
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Speaker 1: Last two times.

1980
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Speaker 17: Absolutely, David. I was just going to make the point

1981
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Speaker 17: that I think the campaign already was doing well before

1982
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Speaker 17: this incident yesterday. They had toned it down, they got

1983
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Speaker 17: a sharper edge, They have top people running the campaign,

1984
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Speaker 17: So he was the front runner clearly even before what

1985
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Speaker 17: happened yesterday.

1986
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Speaker 3: I've had a number of these conversations Tom, with people

1987
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Speaker 3: who support the former president and don't talking about the debate. Yes,

1988
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Speaker 3: we focused a lot on the way that Joe Biden

1989
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Speaker 3: has comported himself during the course of that disastrous debate

1990
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Speaker 3: for him. And then there are people who don't like

1991
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Speaker 3: the former president and say, oh, but if he lied

1992
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Speaker 3: all these times, how can you ignore that? I think Tom,

1993
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Speaker 3: picking up on what Greg was saying, there there was

1994
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Speaker 3: a a focus and an awareness of the space and

1995
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Speaker 3: the forum for that debate that I think exemplifies what

1996
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Speaker 3: Greg and I have been talking about here. That is

1997
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Speaker 3: just just an awareness of what he needs to do

1998
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Speaker 3: to wage this campaign effectively.

1999
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Speaker 2: Greg Valier, this seminal event here of the next forty

2000
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Speaker 2: eight hours is a vice president for is my recall

2001
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Speaker 2: a seventy eight year old wounded former president. I mean,

2002
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to you know, I don't need theater

2003
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Speaker 2: here of like how is the vice presidential choice? Change?

2004
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Speaker 2: But it's ever more important now after what we've witnessed.

2005
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Speaker 17: Absolutely, the realities are stark right now. So I think

2006
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Speaker 17: he's got to pick somebody with experience, someone who can

2007
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Speaker 17: step in immediately. It almost has to be, in my mind,

2008
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Speaker 17: Marco Rubio. But I've been wrong before, I could be

2009
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Speaker 17: wrong again.

2010
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Speaker 2: How could he do that with two people from Florida?

2011
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Speaker 17: Rubio moves, Rubio gets a condo in DC or New

2012
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Speaker 17: York whatever that you know, don't forget Carl roaft Nook,

2013
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Speaker 17: who is the running the running mate.

2014
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Speaker 2: That's okay, Greb. You're allowed to have brain freezes on

2015
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Speaker 2: Bloomber surveillance a daily basis.

2016
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Speaker 17: Dick Cheney, I'm sorry, so Dick Cheney did the same thing.

2017
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Speaker 17: He changed his residency, and nobody said very much about it.

2018
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Speaker 3: When you look at what the president former president is considering.

2019
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Speaker 3: And here's where I'll draw the contrast. We've talked a

2020
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Speaker 3: lot about this tweet from Jdvans last night, drawing this

2021
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Speaker 3: direct line to what he says is Joe Biden's rhetoric

2022
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Speaker 3: and what happened to Donald Trump last night. Does that

2023
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Speaker 3: affect this in any way, this person's approach to what

2024
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Speaker 3: happened yesterday, or you know, does this go beyond that?

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Speaker 8: Is?

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Speaker 3: Give us your sense, give us a great value, a

2027
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Speaker 3: sense of what Donald Trump wants, what Donald Trump needs

2028
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Speaker 3: in a running running mate this time.

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Speaker 17: I think if he wants to go for comfort, he

2030
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Speaker 17: ghosts for the North Dakota Senator Burgham. I think they

2031
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Speaker 17: get along very well. They're both on the same wavelength.

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Speaker 17: But Burgham has no name recognition, and I think you've

2033
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Speaker 17: got to get somebody with the name recognition. Again, if

2034
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Speaker 17: you want somebody with a good background in geopolitics, for

2035
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Speaker 17: somebody who really knows how Washington works, Rubio is the

2036
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Speaker 17: logical choice.

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Speaker 2: What about Nikki Haley, Terry Haynes and others? Have said

2038
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Speaker 2: to us that this is a point. You know, if

2039
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Speaker 2: you say I'm more presidential, Donald Trump would be more political.

2040
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Speaker 2: You know, go back to Harold Stassen. You're the only ones, Greg,

2041
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Speaker 2: you and I are the only ones who know who

2042
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Speaker 2: Harold Statsen is. But is this a point where we

2043
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Speaker 2: see Trump? Haley?

2044
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Speaker 17: No, you got to say Tom that she doesn't like him,

2045
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Speaker 17: he doesn't like her. They do not get along. I

2046
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Speaker 17: would be very surprised if she said yes, I don't.

2047
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Speaker 17: I've not heard anything about her being credited. That would

2048
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Speaker 17: be a big upset.

2049
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Speaker 2: Greg Valier, thank you for the time. Allway's generous with

2050
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Speaker 2: us with AGF investments. Really the first morning note honest, David, Yeah.

2051
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Speaker 3: Picking up on what we were just talking about there.

2052
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Speaker 3: I was down in Atlanta covering that debate, and there

2053
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:08,200
Speaker 3: has been this very showman like aspect to this selection process,

2054
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 3: and so leading up to that debate and afterward when

2055
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 3: the surrogates flooded the floor of the spin room, Nikki

2056
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Speaker 3: Haley absent from all of that. But you did see

2057
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Speaker 3: Doug Burgham, you saw Tim Scott, you saw jd Vance

2058
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Speaker 3: on the floor there. So it seems clear to me

2059
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Speaker 3: that would be a real sleeper pick from Donald Trump

2060
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Speaker 3: if he picks that, Nick Kaily, others have been kind

2061
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Speaker 3: of brought out, trumpeted out, trotted out to be shown

2062
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Speaker 3: to the public here leading up to this decision.

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Speaker 2: We are now going to turn to a difficult topic

2064
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Speaker 2: and we are going to do it respect for his

2065
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Speaker 2: public service to those of the Pentagon in the CIA.

2066
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Speaker 2: McK mulroy, I think I spoke to him in the

2067
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Speaker 2: last seventy two hours. Make I honestly can't remember all

2068
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Speaker 2: sorts of accolades here that you have done. But one

2069
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Speaker 2: of those acolloids is to actually hold a weapon in

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Speaker 2: your hands and feel the pressure. I'm not talking about

2071
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Speaker 2: a twenty two or even some form of societal pistol.

2072
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about whatever was alleged to be used as

2073
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Speaker 2: a rifle in this attempted assassination. How accurate is the

2074
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Speaker 2: reported AK style AR style excuse me ar style and

2075
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Speaker 2: your professional ability, Mick in the military. How accurate can

2076
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Speaker 2: an AR style rifle be scope or no scope from

2077
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Speaker 2: that distance?

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Speaker 5: So good to be with you, Tom and David after

2079
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Speaker 5: this horrible event. Essentially, an AR fifteen is the civilian

2080
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Speaker 5: equivalent to an M sixteen R M four, So the

2081
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Speaker 5: same weapons that are carried in the US military and

2082
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Speaker 5: the CIA. It's the same. It just has a few modifications,

2083
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Speaker 5: like it cannot shoot a three round verse, for example,

2084
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Speaker 5: but essentially you don't need that anyway. So it is

2085
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Speaker 5: designed to be incredibly accurate by people who quite frankly,

2086
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Speaker 5: are at the basic level of the army or the

2087
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Speaker 5: Marine Corps. And I can tell you, as a former

2088
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Speaker 5: marine that the average marine could make this shot without

2089
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Speaker 5: optics almost any day. And I don't mean that trumpet anything.

2090
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Speaker 5: I'm just it's not one hundred and fifty yards away

2091
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Speaker 5: from an elevated position with a direct line of sight.

2092
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Speaker 5: So it is just luck, I think. And I don't

2093
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Speaker 5: know if this individual had any training or his background,

2094
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Speaker 5: but I think it's just luck that it didn't kill

2095
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Speaker 5: former President Trump.

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Speaker 2: This was a source of conversation at the dining room

2097
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Speaker 2: table last night, and what I said to one of

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Speaker 2: the cherubs was you have to have a quiet when

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Speaker 2: firing a rifle for accuracy, and most of us, including me,

2100
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Speaker 2: David Gera, and a twenty year old lost in western Pennsylvania,

2101
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:59,360
Speaker 2: don't have that quiet. I mean, basically, the reason President

2102
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Speaker 2: Trump is live is because an amateur held a weapon,

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Speaker 2: you were professional in am I close there?

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Speaker 5: It could be yes, it could be that. It could

2105
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Speaker 5: be that there was, you know, augusta wind that happened

2106
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:15,640
Speaker 5: at the last second that I don't know, but the

2107
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Speaker 5: prone position which apparently he was in with that style

2108
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Speaker 5: of weapon in AAR fifteen, which is very accurate. I

2109
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Speaker 5: am assuming he had optics because they're almost everywhere now,

2110
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Speaker 5: But even with iron sights, it's not a difficult shot.

2111
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Speaker 5: So I think even a person who had never shot before,

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Speaker 5: within a half a day of training could have made

2113
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Speaker 5: that shot quite frankly. And I do believe it was

2114
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Speaker 5: just luck or something else happened that intervened. He slipped,

2115
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Speaker 5: he was spotted. I don't know. Oh yeah, obviously was

2116
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Speaker 5: taking a headshot. Most people would have tried to shoot

2117
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Speaker 5: for you know, mid torso, but I don't know. I

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Speaker 5: don't want to get too into low, but it's just

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Speaker 5: not it is not that difficult to show well. And

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Speaker 5: as brave as a secret service was that got up

2121
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Speaker 5: there and covered him, this was a big breakdown insecurity.

2122
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Speaker 5: There should not have been somebody on a route at

2123
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Speaker 5: that location. There should have been some kind of law

2124
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Speaker 5: enforcement presence at that location just a few hundred.

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Speaker 3: Feet away from the stage there in Butler, Pennsylvania. And

2126
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Speaker 3: you're right in pointing out and make I mean, there's a

2127
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Speaker 3: lot we don't know here, a wide vacuum of information

2128
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Speaker 3: that presumably will be filled in the coming days, and

2129
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Speaker 3: were hearing that they'll be hearings with Secret Service leadership

2130
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Speaker 3: as well. Nick, I want to ask you about political

2131
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Speaker 3: violence and what this signals for you.

2132
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Speaker 1: And we've talked a lot about.

2133
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Speaker 3: Historical precedent here analogs throughout modern history, and how there

2134
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Speaker 3: was a relative calm at least when it comes to

2135
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Speaker 3: assassinations of for attempted assassinations of political figures. How do

2136
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Speaker 3: you see this changing that? What do you say to

2137
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Speaker 3: somebody who watches what's happened here and fears greatly that

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Speaker 3: this itself may have been an isolated incidant, but what's

2139
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Speaker 3: been at play here could snowball further.

2140
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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's safe to say there we're seeing

2141
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Speaker 5: a rise of both extremes, both on the far left

2142
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Speaker 5: and the far right, and not only a rise in

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Speaker 5: violent rhetoric, but the capacity to do violence, so arming

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Speaker 5: themselves both sides. A lot of these groups are looking

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Speaker 5: for a reason, right They are looking for a cause

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Speaker 5: to get behind to do things that would promote their

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Speaker 5: political agenda as extreme as it is based on some

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Speaker 5: kind of impetus. This could be an impetus. We don't

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Speaker 5: know what this individual's motivation was. He was he doing

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Speaker 5: it for political reasons or was he just mentally disturbed

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Speaker 5: and thought that this was going to somehow get him

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Speaker 5: some attention. I don't know, but it doesn't probably doesn't

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Speaker 5: matter to those extremist groups that we're looking for a reason.

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Speaker 5: So I believe the FBI that the hs AND is

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Speaker 5: going to be looking for talk right now, Chatter on

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Speaker 5: a lot of these alternative social media sites that are

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Speaker 5: used about some kind of retaliation of who they'd retaliate against.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but logic might not rule the day here.

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Speaker 5: I think this is an indication of what has been

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Speaker 5: growing and we've seen all sorts of political violence, including

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Speaker 5: January sixth, and this could be the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 5: It could be something that creates a cascading Hopefully that

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Speaker 5: doesn't happen. I'm sure that people are worried about that.

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Speaker 3: Let me pull a thread there, because I heard Juliet

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Speaker 3: Kim at the Kennedy School on CNN yesterday talking about

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Speaker 3: how in a situation like this, the motive is rarely

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Speaker 3: clear cut. You look back on what happened with Reagan,

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Speaker 3: for example, can you comment on that just sort of

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Speaker 3: the work that will be undertaken here to find out

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Speaker 3: what that motive is. Again, there's a lot of sort

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Speaker 3: of basic investigative work that needs to happen here about

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Speaker 3: the security breakdown and all of that. But when we

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Speaker 3: get down to figuring out who this person was, what

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Speaker 3: made him tick, and why he did that, how complicated

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Speaker 3: a process is that? And conversely, what's that likely to

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Speaker 3: show about the complicatedness of that individual.

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Speaker 5: Sure, so I think there's two parts i'd highlight For that. One,

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Speaker 5: people are going to use whatever they want for their

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Speaker 5: reasoning behind why this individual did what they did. Social

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Speaker 5: media is now everywhere in our adversaries see it and

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Speaker 5: they just magnify it. So if somebody spreads the rumor

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Speaker 5: that this person was, you know, a political opponent of

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Speaker 5: president former president Trump and he did this for a

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Speaker 5: little more, that's going to get out there pretty quick.

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Speaker 5: And the Russians and Chinese and the Iranians are going

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Speaker 5: to spread it. It's just a fact. But you are right,

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Speaker 5: there are many reasons you reference the President Reagan's attempted assassination.

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Speaker 5: That person was doing it to impress a movie actress.

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Speaker 5: Right had nothing to do for my memory political but

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Speaker 5: and if that's the case here, it needs to come

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Speaker 5: out relatively quick. It certainly wouldn't make it any better necessarily,

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Speaker 5: but hopefully it would diffuse this idea that if it

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Speaker 5: was something that came from the far left, that the

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Speaker 5: far right needs to respond. Hopefully that is not the

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Speaker 5: case either way, whether it is just a one off,

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Speaker 5: disturbed individual or even if this person had some kind

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Speaker 5: of more political motive, it needs to be quelled, and

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Speaker 5: I think it really needs to be quelled by joint

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Speaker 5: statements political leadership, individual state.

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Speaker 2: Please stay with us, don't go away. We'd like to

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Speaker 2: reintroduce ourselves, folks, to you a special edition of Bloomberg

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Speaker 2: Surveillance David Gerra and Tom Keane from our studios in

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Speaker 2: New York with all of the abilities of Bloomberg News,

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Speaker 2: including Nancy Cook, Jordan Fabian, and Adriana Lauren Corn as well.

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Speaker 2: Will you have an extremely important guests coming up will

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Speaker 2: tell you of that in a moment, But right now

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Speaker 2: we continue our coverage on Bloomberg Radio across America.

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Speaker 3: David pivotal moment for this country. At this very moment,

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Speaker 3: President Bien expected to meet with his law enforcement team

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Speaker 3: homeland security team to get another briefing on that investigation.

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Speaker 3: Merrick Garland is going to be there. We know that

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Speaker 3: this investigation, which at first was being handled by the

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Speaker 3: Secret Service, of course overseeing that event yesterday Butler Pennsylvania

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Speaker 3: in Western Pennsylvania, that baton has been passed to the FBI,

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Speaker 3: and Mark Carland, the Attorney General, has talked about how

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Speaker 3: no resource will be spared to get to the heart

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Speaker 3: of this. Secretary of Homeland Security will be there as

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Speaker 3: well aslong with many members of President Biden's team. So

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Speaker 3: we will not hear from President Biden until that briefing

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Speaker 3: takes place. Perhaps we'll hear from HM later today, we

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Speaker 3: hear from Joe Matthew in Wisconsin. Maybe we'll hear from

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Speaker 3: the former president see the former president today as well.

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Speaker 3: But we are in this vacuum where the investigation is

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Speaker 3: still in its infancy. Tom law enforcement collecting all of

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Speaker 3: that information all the while they are looking ahead to

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Speaker 3: this critical event taking place in Wisconsin this week, and

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Speaker 3: as we were discussing forty different law enforcementities preparing security for.

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I guess it's going to be a one year,

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Speaker 2: two year, three year thing, and we're going to learn

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Speaker 2: that it's going to take more money to protect, whether

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Speaker 2: it's those of our legislative branches and frankly at the

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Speaker 2: state level as well. You wonder if there's going to

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Speaker 2: be a budget sea change here, as frankly there was

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Speaker 2: when Lincoln was assassinated in eighteen sixty five. To me,

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Speaker 2: far more important is what do they do this afternoon

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Speaker 2: or tomorrow. There has to be a change behavior going

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Speaker 2: into these two conventions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know that the former president had a

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Speaker 3: large Secret Service apparatus surrounding him, not as large as

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Speaker 3: the current president. Just give them the fact that he's

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Speaker 3: in the job and has a longer motorcade and more

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Speaker 3: people in it and more vehicles, and it is well

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Speaker 3: more security, But you know, what does it mean? And

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Speaker 3: we've heard the calls in these recent hours for heightened

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Speaker 3: security for Donald Trump, heightened security for RFK Junior as well.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have Secret Service protection at this point, and

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Speaker 3: one can't help but look at him and his candidacy

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Speaker 3: and think that, think of his history, his personal history.

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Speaker 3: Of course, his father killed by an assassin in Los

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Speaker 3: Angeles in the late sixties after he won the California primary.

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Speaker 3: Something he didn't really want to get into on Fox

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Speaker 3: News yesterday when he was interviewed. But something I think

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Speaker 3: this top of mind to his supporters and others, is.

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Speaker 2: Mick Malroy still with us? Mick, are you still there?

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Speaker 13: I just yeah, Dom, I'm okay.

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Speaker 2: I just you know, we're getting on in the show

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Speaker 2: and I lose my bearings the interns. You know, the

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Speaker 2: interns came in. I'd explain the interns. You're in the

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Speaker 2: news business. Sunday's your New Monday. Mick Malroy again, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much. With your military perspective. One of the

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Speaker 2: shocks we have is a distance of this assassination attempt.

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Speaker 2: Those of us of a certain vintage understand the distance

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Speaker 2: is usually much shorter for our two presidents for President

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Speaker 2: Byen former President Trump. How do people like you protect

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Speaker 2: them at a short distance.

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Speaker 5: So the short distance is you know, close up security,

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Speaker 5: where there is both individuals that are obvious secret service

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Speaker 5: you can see them with the sunglasses and the you know,

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Speaker 5: the radio receiver in their ear. But there's also people

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Speaker 5: that aren't obvious. They're wearing playing clothes. They're not necessarily

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Speaker 5: somebody would expect your security because they have a different

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Speaker 5: of the threats in the audience that that somebody who

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Speaker 5: is obviously security wouldn't have. So you're going to have

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Speaker 5: a combination of that. And then of course when it

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Speaker 5: comes to an area like this, there has to be

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Speaker 5: a complete survey of where the threat areas would be.

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Speaker 5: And this, if you just look at the overhead imagery,

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Speaker 5: this building would have been a significant threat, I think,

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Speaker 5: and they should have done something. They should have had

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Speaker 5: law enforcement on the roof, on the ground to prevent

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Speaker 5: people from getting up there. They should have obstructed the

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Speaker 5: line of sight from these areas to where the forum

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Speaker 5: president was speaking. I mean, the investigation is new, but

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Speaker 5: this is something that I think has already been pointed

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Speaker 5: out by so many that just looked at this. So

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Speaker 5: they're going to have to adjust the way they do

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Speaker 5: these type events. Potentially no more outside events, and they

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Speaker 5: might have to supplement the secret statement.

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Speaker 2: Make David, this is important, no more outside events, just

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Speaker 2: like it's stealing the process, it's stealing David Gura deck

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Speaker 2: from us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and stealing what we know that Donald Trump likes

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Speaker 3: to use as a real campaign tool. And MC, let

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Speaker 3: me just ask you, as you looked at this event,

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Speaker 3: fifteen thousand people in this field in western Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: You, of course, I'm sure, are aware.

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Speaker 3: Of what we heard from Donald Trump when he was

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Speaker 3: the president about his attitude towards security. Remember well what

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Speaker 3: he said on January the sixth that he didn't need

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Speaker 3: metal detectors for those supporters who are going to show

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Speaker 3: up on the National mall. How do you react just

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Speaker 3: to the security challenges of an event like this in isolation,

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Speaker 3: but also just a string of them.

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Speaker 2: I confess this.

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Speaker 3: I watched this yesterday. I thought, you know, how long

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Speaker 3: was this in the works? How firm a grass did

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Speaker 3: they have on how many people were going to turn out?

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Speaker 3: I imagine doing security. Setting up a security plan and

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Speaker 3: executing it for an event like this is difficult under

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Speaker 3: any circumstances. But in a campaign where this is regular

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Speaker 3: and happening regularly and might be planned with not a

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Speaker 3: ton of events, notice, must complicate things all the more.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely so, I think It's important to point out just

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Speaker 5: the effort that the Secret Service has to do to

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Speaker 5: be able to protect both the presidential candidate and the

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Speaker 5: president at the same time during the campaign season in

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Speaker 5: a country that quite frankly is a wash with weapons.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the AR fifteen is essentially ubiquitous across the

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Speaker 5: United States, especially where I am in Montana. So this

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Speaker 5: is a you know, and I'm talking the political aspects

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Speaker 5: of gun ownership here, I'm just talking the cold hard

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Speaker 5: sense of security. When people have access to these weapons

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Speaker 5: and then you have an outside event, it makes it

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Speaker 5: extraordinarily difficult for a security protective detail like the Secret

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Speaker 5: Service to do their job. It's just it's different than

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Speaker 5: any other country where this would occur. So there would

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Speaker 5: be an advanced team. They would scout out how they

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Speaker 5: were going to do security, to cover the danger zones,

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Speaker 5: where he'd come in, where he'd go out, where they'd

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Speaker 5: have their quick reaction for stage, to where the nearest

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Speaker 5: hospital is. These are all things that they do everywhere

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Speaker 5: they take the president, designated presidential candidate, somebody who's won

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Speaker 5: the nomination of the party or the president, of course,

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Speaker 5: and it's only going to get more intense it just

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Speaker 5: goes on. I mean, we're seeing an uptick in these

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Speaker 5: events from both candidates, and I don't see it, you know, reducing.

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Speaker 5: I do think it'd be a shame that the democracy

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Speaker 5: would be hampered. But from the security point of view,

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Speaker 5: I think they're going to recommend they might not follow

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Speaker 5: their recommendation no more outside events. It is just difficult

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Speaker 5: to cover every you know, area that has a direct

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Speaker 5: line of sights. I mean this this weapon system, by

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Speaker 5: the way, they are fifteen can you can shoot somebody

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Speaker 5: at five hundred yards? The average marine going through Paris

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Speaker 5: Island gets taught to shoot somebody with iron sights at

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Speaker 5: five hundred yards, right, so three times distants where this

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Speaker 5: individual shots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is valuable. McK morroy, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for the perspective earned in his public service to the

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Speaker 2: nation in the military. David, that's the most sobering common

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Speaker 2: I've heard of all this, And again it's what we've

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Speaker 2: always done in surveillance over the years here at Bloomberg,

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Speaker 2: is to talk to people who actually know what they're

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Speaker 2: talking about. Yes, the Western gopre Genie she and you know,

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Speaker 2: and all of her work and the turmoil of Northeastern Politics.

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Speaker 2: Wendy Schiller up at Brown with a definitive civics text buckets.

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Speaker 2: You know, Mick talk like that is that's extraordinary knowledge.

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Speaker 3: I continue to watch all of this unfold. We were

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Speaker 3: talking about the importance of these Sunday shows today. Senator

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Speaker 3: Lindsey Graham is on Meet the Press now, addressing some

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Speaker 3: of what we've been discussing, says he plans to talk

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Speaker 3: to the former president today. Talked a bit about the

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Speaker 3: convention and what to expect, talked about the President's VP pick.

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Speaker 3: He said, quote, today underscores why that's an important pick.

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Speaker 3: He wants somebody that is ready on day one, that

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Speaker 3: can help him win, that can help him.

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Speaker 1: Grow the map.

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Speaker 3: And then I was struck by this, Lindsey Graham nodding

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Speaker 3: to his colleagues across the aisle for their good wishes,

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Speaker 3: wishes of good health for the former president, saying quote,

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Speaker 3: I think the Republican base at Doris President Trump, there

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Speaker 3: is going to be a lot of love coming this way.

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Speaker 3: But I'm glad to see my Democratic colleagues saying really

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Speaker 3: good things. And you know, this is a moment where

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Speaker 3: America has been traumatized and it's good to see. That's

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Speaker 3: something else that we've been talking off a lot about

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Speaker 3: this morning, Tom, just how to condemn what's happened here

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Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania and how to move forward perhaps change that

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Speaker 3: political climate.

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Speaker 2: We prepare across all of Bloomberg for Balance of Power

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Speaker 2: tonight at five pm from Milwaukee, led by Kayleie Lines

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Speaker 2: helping out as well Joe Matthew, and we're thrilled to

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Speaker 2: Joe Matthew from Milwaukee as well. Joe, should we hear

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Speaker 2: from President Trump today?

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Speaker 14: That's a great question. I think that it would probably

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Speaker 14: not be a surprise if we did. Getting him in

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Speaker 14: front of a camera coming down the stairs from that

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Speaker 14: airplane last night was not a lot. They need to

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Speaker 14: have some sort of presentation for people to get a

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Speaker 14: sense of how he's fealing beyond a written statement here,

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Speaker 14: so we're all waiting for this. We'll include a running

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Speaker 14: mate announcement as he appeared today with his vice presidential pit.

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Speaker 14: Think these are some of the questions that we're asking,

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Speaker 14: and so much of this has been political in our

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Speaker 14: conversation here, but I'm deeply curious to see where we're

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Speaker 14: going with this secret service in terms of security details.

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Speaker 14: For not only Donald Trump, but also RFK Junior, who

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Speaker 14: had previous year requested enhanced security and was denied. And

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Speaker 14: the big part of the conversation that you're referring to

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Speaker 14: on these Sunday morning shows has been promises of hearings

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Speaker 14: and investigations to find out exactly why that person was

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Speaker 14: able to get in the physition that he was in

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Speaker 14: right now, and what protocol should follow for presidential candidates

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Speaker 14: or for the president himself. We have rarely found ourselves

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Speaker 14: with so many unanswered questions going into such a massive

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Speaker 14: news of it, like this Republican convention.

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Speaker 3: Joe, I'm glad you go there, and we talked a

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Speaker 3: bit about this with Henry T. Tree's a little earlier

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Speaker 3: in the show. We're familiar with the reporting on the

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Speaker 3: Secret Service.

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Speaker 1: In recent years. There have been scandals.

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Speaker 3: We think back on when Hillary Clinton went to South America.

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Speaker 3: That an embarrassment I think more so than anything else,

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Speaker 3: but of course raised concerns about her security while she

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Speaker 3: was there. You, with your experience covering Washington from the

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Speaker 3: anchor desk and around town as well, get us up

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Speaker 3: to speed on the way that the Secret Service is

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Speaker 3: regarded now. I think go back to something I was

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Speaker 3: saying to Tom a little while ago. You watch what

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Speaker 3: unfolded on that stage and can't help be impressed by

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Speaker 3: that group of half dozen agents or so who encircled

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Speaker 3: the president and made sure that he got off the

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Speaker 3: stage safely. But this is an agency that has been

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Speaker 3: beset with problems now for many years. So these calls

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Speaker 3: for hearings, while maybe politically motivated, there is some grist

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Speaker 3: for them. There's some real grist there, and there is

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Speaker 3: some real concern just about the way this agency has

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Speaker 3: been run in recent years.

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Speaker 14: That's true, and the internal scandals that you're referring to

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Speaker 14: never manifested themselves like this to an actual security concern,

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Speaker 14: if not a breach of protocol. And I don't want

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Speaker 14: to say that that's what it was, but we need

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Speaker 14: to find out. And it's more broadly part of a

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Speaker 14: bias against federal law enforcement. Hear so much about supporting

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Speaker 14: the police, and you're going to hear that every day

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Speaker 14: this week in Milwaukee, But they're talking about your local police,

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Speaker 14: your state police. When it comes to the FBI. When

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Speaker 14: it comes to the Secret Service, they are frequently looked

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Speaker 14: at as bad guys, and particularly in the Republican sphere.

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Speaker 14: This will not help. And it reminds me as well

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Speaker 14: of repeated testimony that we heard over the past year

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Speaker 14: from Christopher Ray, the head of the FBI. He said

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Speaker 14: it in March, he said it in April, he said

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Speaker 14: it again in June, that the terrorist threats have reached

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Speaker 14: a whole other level where the words that he used

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Speaker 14: in congrational testimony with specific worries about lone wolf terrorism

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Speaker 14: that we just now witnessed in reality.

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Speaker 3: Could you describe for us you're newly there in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 3: We were talking a little bit about the security perimeter,

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Speaker 3: what it's like, what it's likely to be like. I

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Speaker 3: think back on my recent trip to Atlanta, all of

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Speaker 3: the security that I had to go through just to

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Speaker 3: get to this arena where.

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Speaker 1: In fact, neither of the candidates was going to be.

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Speaker 3: We were in the Georgia Tech Basketball Arena, sitting around

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Speaker 3: the concourse watching the debate unfold on the jumbo tron,

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Speaker 3: but there was still an awful lot of security to

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Speaker 3: get through, big gauntlet for us to run through. I

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Speaker 3: can only imagine that before this happened, there were stages

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Speaker 3: upon stages of security that were set up. What does

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Speaker 3: it look like, what's your understanding of what's likely to

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Speaker 3: change here as you move ahead to Milwaukee?

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Speaker 14: Well, all great questions, and some of this has yet

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Speaker 14: to be announced. I'm in downtown Milwaukee right now, in

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Speaker 14: an area where most major streets are closed, so you

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Speaker 14: walk out of your hotel or the building that you're

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Speaker 14: in and you just walk across the street without looking.

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Speaker 14: It's a it's got a bit of a no man's

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Speaker 14: landfeel to it here, and there are massive barriers like

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Speaker 14: the type that you would see surrounding the Supreme Court

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Speaker 14: or Capitol Hill that are snaking all throughout the city.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 14: There are a lot of places you simply can't go.

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Speaker 14: I tried to get a coffee this morning and had

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Speaker 14: to have a security guard actually open the gates for

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Speaker 14: me to get out of the block. That's going to

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Speaker 14: get worse. And look look at the past couple of

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Speaker 14: conventions here, you had to walk a couple of miles

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Speaker 14: to get in airport style security. It's really difficult, and

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Speaker 14: this one's going to be hard, apparently what we've seen before.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about the five o'clock show tonight, I mean,

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Speaker 2: everything's been turned upside down, and you know you will

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Speaker 2: have great balance of power conversation. But I mean, people

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Speaker 2: are flying in right now. They're supposed to be down,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I'm going to go, David to the convention.

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Speaker 2: Not that you'd know anything about this, but you know,

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Speaker 2: you get to a convention, you go to the bar.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what the people do. How do you

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Speaker 2: go to the bar in Milwaukee, Joe Matthew, there's what

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Speaker 2: eleven hundred delegates. What do they do now after this

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Speaker 2: shock of their guy almost dying.

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Speaker 14: Well, I can tell you they were still at the

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Speaker 14: bar last night. It was just a very, very different

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Speaker 14: feeling and it was pretty remarkable. I was out with

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Speaker 14: Rick Davis and one of our producers. We got it late.

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Speaker 14: We talked on the radio for a while, we went

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Speaker 14: out to dinner even later. The restaurants were packed. Town

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Speaker 14: is full. You can't get a hotel room. But there

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Speaker 14: was not a celebration inside the restaurant. It's somber, and

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Speaker 14: as I said earlier, there is genuinely a dark ceiling

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Speaker 14: in Milwaukee. It's cloudy and it's been drizzling so far today.

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Speaker 14: When you talk to people, people are kind of nodding

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Speaker 14: at each other. Given a smile because there's just a

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Speaker 14: fear in the air that's very difficult to quantify and describe.

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Speaker 2: And then David Girl, bring that over to Chicago, I

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Speaker 2: would suggest, you know, it seems a million months away,

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Speaker 2: but it's not. It's you know, two cups of coffee away.

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Speaker 5: And it's true.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll have Joe Matthew there and Kaylely lines in

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Speaker 2: Amory Horden and arrest. But David Girl, I'm sorry, there's

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Speaker 2: a dark cloud over Chicago in August as.

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Speaker 3: Well, and it has been over Chicago for a couple

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Speaker 3: of weeks now. I think after that debate there was

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Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of uncertainty about how those

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Speaker 3: those events would proceed. And Joe jump in here in

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Speaker 3: just a sect, but I mean, I think that there,

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Speaker 3: as I've said this morning, there's a fragility.

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Speaker 1: To that convention.

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Speaker 3: I think that the sort of events leading to that

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Speaker 3: fragility might get a little les attention now in the

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Speaker 3: coming days because the focus shifts so squarely to the Republicans.

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Speaker 3: But with what happened in Atlanta, with how President Biden

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Speaker 3: has comported himself since We've got this interview tomorrow with

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Speaker 3: Lester Holt We'll see how that advances this story. I

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Speaker 3: think uncertainly is the word that I keep reaching for here.

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Speaker 3: Joe correct me if I'm wrong. We don't know how fragile,

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Speaker 3: how fractious that convention's going to be. But I don't

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Speaker 3: think those dark clouds are going away anytime soon. To

2529
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Speaker 3: borrow Tom's metaphor.

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Speaker 14: No, they're building. And there's a real question about what

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Speaker 14: happens to Bloomberg's reporting here. And I don't know that

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Speaker 14: anyone has matched it about advancing the nominating process to

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Speaker 14: July twenty first, when as a virtual meeting of DMC

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Speaker 14: officialcy idea is to lock this down earlier than August

2535
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Speaker 14: so he could get on the ballot, both in Ohio,

2536
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Speaker 14: which they seem to have solved, but also just to

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Speaker 14: quiet this whole conversation. I don't know how they could

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Speaker 14: pull that off now. I don't know exactly how Joe

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Speaker 14: Biden can do that interview now with Lester Holt. Is

2540
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Speaker 14: he going to be able to criticize the man he's

2541
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Speaker 14: running against not starting to day and what kind of

2542
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Speaker 14: criticism will be? Will he be able to levy how

2543
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Speaker 14: do you talk about January sixth in the same tone

2544
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Speaker 14: after what happened yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Jack Matthew, Joe Matthew, thank you so much for the

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Speaker 2: time this morning, getting ready for his coverage at five

2547
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Speaker 2: pm tonight, Joe Matthew and Kaylie Lyones bats a power

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Speaker 2: at five pm worldwide on Bloomberg. This next guest, as

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Speaker 2: we come up here to the end of our coverage

2550
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Speaker 2: this morning, David Gerr and Tom Keen a special edition

2551
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Speaker 2: of Bloomberg Surveillance. And I've been waiting all morning to

2552
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Speaker 2: ask Jack Divine one question because they sit at home

2553
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Speaker 2: and I'm not, as you know, you make jokes about

2554
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Speaker 2: it folks on Bloomberg Surveillance, but I'm not the Hollywood

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Speaker 2: loadstone scarlet food.

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Speaker 1: Yes you're not.

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Speaker 2: And Jack Divine, I want to take this from your

2558
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Speaker 2: reality of CIA employment over decades, thirty two year veteran

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Speaker 2: of a central intelligence agency to the Hollywood and affected

2560
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Speaker 2: attitude of people like me that our domestic intelligence services

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Speaker 2: should know about the people like this shooter and the

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Speaker 2: attempted assassination of a former president. The movies make it

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Speaker 2: sound like there's all sorts of fancy intelligence to know

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Speaker 2: who these people are. But we're blind, aren't we.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's a tough question, Tom. Frankly, it's a needle

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Speaker 13: in a haystack operation. There's a lot goes on ahead

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Speaker 13: of time, they find people, but here you have a loaner.

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Speaker 13: I mean there's no record, there's no record of them,

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02:16:39,640 --> 02:16:43,160
Speaker 13: there's no there's nothing to get a handle on, and

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Speaker 13: their operation may take place in a matter of a

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02:16:46,040 --> 02:16:48,840
Speaker 13: day or two, right, So I think it's unrealistic. Where

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02:16:48,840 --> 02:16:52,720
Speaker 13: the intelligence community is really good is finding when states

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02:16:52,760 --> 02:16:55,720
Speaker 13: do it, when governments are trying to do it or plan,

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02:16:55,920 --> 02:16:58,120
Speaker 13: and that's where you have a better chance. But the

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02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:02,320
Speaker 13: lone wolf, I don't think there's much success in that.

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02:17:02,400 --> 02:17:05,720
Speaker 13: You have to be really prepared defensively, you have to

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02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:08,760
Speaker 13: make sure you've got your protection networks in certainly tap

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02:17:08,840 --> 02:17:12,080
Speaker 13: your intelligence. If it's a state system then probably will

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02:17:12,120 --> 02:17:16,039
Speaker 13: be alerting. So I was pretty satisfied early on that

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Speaker 13: this was not a state driven event, although there are

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02:17:19,480 --> 02:17:20,959
Speaker 13: so many black Swans out.

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Speaker 3: There, Jack, I want to get your perspective on the

2583
02:17:23,879 --> 02:17:26,480
Speaker 3: magnitude of this event. This event as a turning point,

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02:17:26,520 --> 02:17:28,720
Speaker 3: and as we heard from Joe Matthew a moment ago,

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02:17:29,560 --> 02:17:32,160
Speaker 3: Christopher Ray, the FBI Director, has warned of the threat

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02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:35,560
Speaker 3: of domestic terrorism for so long. Now we're all aware

2587
02:17:35,600 --> 02:17:39,040
Speaker 3: of how heated the rhetoric has become in American politics today.

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02:17:40,240 --> 02:17:42,000
Speaker 3: Several of our guests on the show this morning have

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02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:44,120
Speaker 3: spoken in very candid terms about how they felt that

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02:17:44,160 --> 02:17:47,039
Speaker 3: this was inevitable. As they put it, that there was

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Speaker 3: a slow but burning build to what we saw happen

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Speaker 3: in Butler, Pennsylvania yesterday. I would love your perspective on that,

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02:17:53,959 --> 02:17:58,000
Speaker 3: on the revocability of this that we've gotten to this point,

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02:17:58,680 --> 02:18:01,119
Speaker 3: where do we go from here? Is there any optimism

2595
02:18:01,160 --> 02:18:02,680
Speaker 3: that even if this is a one off, if this

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02:18:02,840 --> 02:18:05,879
Speaker 3: was a lone wolf and a one man thing, we

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02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:09,280
Speaker 3: can find our way back to a saner track of

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02:18:09,760 --> 02:18:11,240
Speaker 3: better comedy among both parties.

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Speaker 13: You would like to think so, but let me be frank.

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02:18:14,440 --> 02:18:17,640
Speaker 13: I mean, I'm not optimistic about that. One of the

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02:18:17,640 --> 02:18:20,960
Speaker 13: first things I struck me was what about a copycat?

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Speaker 13: And then I sat and thought about it. Yes, there's

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02:18:23,320 --> 02:18:25,760
Speaker 13: some people out that were like the fame, like fame

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02:18:25,800 --> 02:18:27,440
Speaker 13: and so on, But I think what we have is

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02:18:27,480 --> 02:18:32,400
Speaker 13: a much larger group of potential threats from people that

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02:18:32,480 --> 02:18:36,400
Speaker 13: are just so angry, you know, so they have mental issues,

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02:18:36,400 --> 02:18:38,880
Speaker 13: but they're so angry they strike out. So I think

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02:18:39,400 --> 02:18:41,400
Speaker 13: your earlier guests I didn't listen to all them. I

2609
02:18:41,440 --> 02:18:46,280
Speaker 13: was thinking about this ahead of time. But I think

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02:18:46,320 --> 02:18:51,080
Speaker 13: their concern is absolutely well well founded. But I don't

2611
02:18:51,080 --> 02:18:54,320
Speaker 13: know how we wind back society. And it's not just

2612
02:18:54,360 --> 02:18:56,920
Speaker 13: a rhetoric of the politicians, and we're way out of

2613
02:18:57,000 --> 02:19:01,240
Speaker 13: line on that across the board, but on social media,

2614
02:19:01,400 --> 02:19:05,040
Speaker 13: we have so much going on in there, people immune

2615
02:19:05,360 --> 02:19:09,120
Speaker 13: from the violence that this is more of a societal problem.

2616
02:19:09,160 --> 02:19:12,720
Speaker 13: It won't be fixed with some new legislation or one

2617
02:19:12,760 --> 02:19:16,440
Speaker 13: great speed, but I think we all should learn something here.

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02:19:16,640 --> 02:19:18,240
Speaker 2: Where'd you grow up? Jack Divine?

2619
02:19:19,560 --> 02:19:21,879
Speaker 13: Where did I grow You're going to pick out my

2620
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:23,599
Speaker 13: accent southwest Philadelphia?

2621
02:19:23,800 --> 02:19:27,720
Speaker 2: Southwest Philia. I thought so. And what's important here is

2622
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:33,039
Speaker 2: the distinction of urban Philadelphia with the hinterlands west of

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02:19:33,080 --> 02:19:40,800
Speaker 2: Altoona in Pennsylvania. You're a grizzled, internationally known expert on

2624
02:19:40,920 --> 02:19:45,480
Speaker 2: intelligence and the violence of intelligence. How do you look

2625
02:19:45,640 --> 02:19:49,959
Speaker 2: at our rural ha geography almost of guns? How do

2626
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:52,600
Speaker 2: you look at the idea that a kid should have?

2627
02:19:52,640 --> 02:19:56,280
Speaker 2: But what's it called? David? An air? A kid has

2628
02:19:56,320 --> 02:20:00,240
Speaker 2: an air fifteen outside Pittsburgh. I mean, you're not You're

2629
02:20:00,240 --> 02:20:03,280
Speaker 2: not hunting pheasant with that, are you right.

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Speaker 13: I mean, this is a national issue about you in

2631
02:20:06,120 --> 02:20:09,720
Speaker 13: the Second Amendment. Personally, I don't have a gun. That's

2632
02:20:09,720 --> 02:20:12,040
Speaker 13: how I feel about it. They're dangerous, you know, they're

2633
02:20:12,080 --> 02:20:15,400
Speaker 13: dangerous in household. I understand why there's the Second amend

2634
02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:19,119
Speaker 13: I support those that are interested in hunting. I am

2635
02:20:19,120 --> 02:20:22,000
Speaker 13: of the view that the weapons of this nature should

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02:20:22,000 --> 02:20:26,120
Speaker 13: not be available. People should be registered. But the bigger problem,

2637
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:29,600
Speaker 13: tom is the mental health problem. And you know that

2638
02:20:29,720 --> 02:20:33,760
Speaker 13: is so huge. So this moaning, I'm going to bet

2639
02:20:33,800 --> 02:20:35,840
Speaker 13: that this young fellow has had a gun for a

2640
02:20:35,840 --> 02:20:39,199
Speaker 13: long time, that he's hunted in the hills of the Pennsylvania.

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02:20:39,640 --> 02:20:43,880
Speaker 13: So you know, it's hard. It's hard. It will be registered,

2642
02:20:43,959 --> 02:20:47,440
Speaker 13: maybe not. But my guess is the problem is the

2643
02:20:47,480 --> 02:20:50,160
Speaker 13: mental health of our country. And I'm not a psychiatrist,

2644
02:20:50,160 --> 02:20:52,600
Speaker 13: I'm not a doctor, but I think we all see

2645
02:20:52,640 --> 02:20:55,560
Speaker 13: it every day across a broadspector. We got to we've

2646
02:20:55,560 --> 02:20:57,800
Speaker 13: got a tone of down good on the highway. I

2647
02:20:57,800 --> 02:20:59,760
Speaker 13: mean we don't. I don't want to take a tangent.

2648
02:20:59,879 --> 02:21:03,800
Speaker 13: It's all around us anger. So I think the copy

2649
02:21:03,879 --> 02:21:06,800
Speaker 13: cat sure, that's a problem, but I just think this

2650
02:21:06,959 --> 02:21:10,960
Speaker 13: environment has so much anger and people want to strike out,

2651
02:21:11,200 --> 02:21:16,120
Speaker 13: and if you're psychologically ill, you shoot it. You know,

2652
02:21:16,120 --> 02:21:18,800
Speaker 13: you shoot a public figures. So I think public figures

2653
02:21:18,840 --> 02:21:21,560
Speaker 13: are much greater risk. I think we have to reevaluate

2654
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:26,040
Speaker 13: how we provide security for our candidates. I think we

2655
02:21:26,120 --> 02:21:29,040
Speaker 13: have to up it. One thing that I wondered, and

2656
02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:33,080
Speaker 13: I haven't seen anybody touch on this, I'm wondering why

2657
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:36,000
Speaker 13: drones in this sage of technology are not part of

2658
02:21:36,000 --> 02:21:41,240
Speaker 13: our or kit bag. I mean, when we're doing these events,

2659
02:21:41,280 --> 02:21:44,959
Speaker 13: they're just not that hard to manage. But would we

2660
02:21:45,040 --> 02:21:47,039
Speaker 13: have been able to cover the crowds now the reaction

2661
02:21:47,160 --> 02:21:50,039
Speaker 13: time of the Secret Services spectacular and how they took

2662
02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:54,200
Speaker 13: them out. But I'm really stumped on the roof incident.

2663
02:21:54,360 --> 02:21:57,000
Speaker 13: So I'm trying to think of how that could be preventive.

2664
02:21:57,040 --> 02:21:58,680
Speaker 13: But these are strictly differentive check.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Jeck Divine with us his best selling book,

2666
02:22:01,800 --> 02:22:06,160
Speaker 2: Good Hunting, an American Spymaster's Story was Riveting a good

2667
02:22:06,200 --> 02:22:10,680
Speaker 2: ten years ago. Here we continue our coverage at Bloomberg

2668
02:22:10,760 --> 02:22:13,920
Speaker 2: News through the day. David Ger and I will pause

2669
02:22:14,080 --> 02:22:16,959
Speaker 2: here and we thank all of our team here at

2670
02:22:16,959 --> 02:22:23,080
Speaker 2: Bloomberg surveillance for helping out today and really through the

2671
02:22:23,200 --> 02:22:27,000
Speaker 2: night tirelessly working on this good conversation. You have a

2672
02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:29,560
Speaker 2: tough job, David. You have to take the big take

2673
02:22:30,400 --> 02:22:34,000
Speaker 2: of twenty minutes of excellence on this. What approach will

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02:22:34,040 --> 02:22:35,680
Speaker 2: you take for the big take?

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02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:38,480
Speaker 3: Communday, Well, rest assured, we'll do that, and we'll try

2676
02:22:38,480 --> 02:22:41,040
Speaker 3: to get everyone the latest information that we have about

2677
02:22:41,160 --> 02:22:43,960
Speaker 3: the investigation into what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania. But also

2678
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:45,240
Speaker 3: I think we'll hit it some of the themes that

2679
02:22:45,320 --> 02:22:48,400
Speaker 3: we've been touching on over the course of these three hours. Tom,

2680
02:22:48,440 --> 02:22:51,160
Speaker 3: principally what this means for our cultural fabric in this

2681
02:22:51,240 --> 02:22:55,920
Speaker 3: country as we look ahead till Milwaukee's convention, and I

2682
02:22:55,959 --> 02:22:58,440
Speaker 3: look forward to Joe Matthews cover with Kaylee Lines this evening,

2683
02:22:58,440 --> 02:23:01,720
Speaker 3: originating from this I did that convention in Milwaukee. But

2684
02:23:02,680 --> 02:23:06,640
Speaker 3: I say that with great humility, recognizing how little we

2685
02:23:06,680 --> 02:23:09,400
Speaker 3: know right now. And I see something crossing the wire

2686
02:23:09,400 --> 02:23:12,120
Speaker 3: here from the Wall Street Journal, The Wall Street Chournal

2687
02:23:12,160 --> 02:23:14,560
Speaker 3: reporting authorities found explosive devices in the car of the

2688
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:17,800
Speaker 3: man who officials say tried to assassinate former President Donald Trump.

2689
02:23:17,800 --> 02:23:20,640
Speaker 3: According to people briefed on the investigation. We haven't independently

2690
02:23:20,760 --> 02:23:23,360
Speaker 3: verified that ourselves, but the Journal has that. And we

2691
02:23:23,440 --> 02:23:26,200
Speaker 3: know that President Biden is in the White House now

2692
02:23:26,200 --> 02:23:30,640
Speaker 3: getting a briefing from his advisors, Homeland security advisors, talking

2693
02:23:30,640 --> 02:23:33,480
Speaker 3: to the Attorney General of the United States as well

2694
02:23:33,480 --> 02:23:36,240
Speaker 3: about the investigation that the FBI is mounting here. So

2695
02:23:36,280 --> 02:23:38,200
Speaker 3: I think that that's the dual track that we're going

2696
02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:39,800
Speaker 3: to take. I know that you're going to take as well,

2697
02:23:40,320 --> 02:23:42,720
Speaker 3: looking back trying to figure out what's happened here and

2698
02:23:42,760 --> 02:23:45,640
Speaker 3: also looking forward to the greater import of the significance

2699
02:23:45,640 --> 02:23:47,000
Speaker 3: of what's happened in Western Pa.

2700
02:23:47,160 --> 02:23:49,400
Speaker 2: And is I believe you said within the blur of

2701
02:23:49,440 --> 02:23:53,200
Speaker 2: our three hours in what you said, is every speech

2702
02:23:53,879 --> 02:23:56,520
Speaker 2: you think of the rehearsal, of the canned nature of

2703
02:23:56,560 --> 02:23:59,920
Speaker 2: a modern convention. Full disclosure, folks, I hate the can

2704
02:24:00,080 --> 02:24:04,040
Speaker 2: nature of a modern convention. But every speech now will

2705
02:24:04,040 --> 02:24:06,400
Speaker 2: be rewritten. There's just plain and simple.

2706
02:24:06,440 --> 02:24:08,480
Speaker 3: We know you as somebody who likes to famously rip

2707
02:24:08,560 --> 02:24:10,640
Speaker 3: up a script, and I think that we're seeing that

2708
02:24:10,720 --> 02:24:14,640
Speaker 3: happen now in preparation for that convention in Milwaukee. As

2709
02:24:14,680 --> 02:24:18,440
Speaker 3: Joe Matthew is saying, the last time around, Donald Trump

2710
02:24:18,600 --> 02:24:23,120
Speaker 3: was foregoing the common procedure previously, which was not to

2711
02:24:23,160 --> 02:24:24,879
Speaker 3: appear until the last night of the convention. He wanted

2712
02:24:24,879 --> 02:24:26,240
Speaker 3: to be there every night. And so I think in

2713
02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:29,320
Speaker 3: the coming hours we're going to see when we'll see

2714
02:24:29,320 --> 02:24:31,800
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, Will it be daily at this convention? When

2715
02:24:31,840 --> 02:24:34,320
Speaker 3: is he going to unveil his vice presidential pick? And then, indeed,

2716
02:24:34,879 --> 02:24:37,480
Speaker 3: as you've been discussing in so much detail, what does

2717
02:24:37,520 --> 02:24:40,280
Speaker 3: he have to say in that speech to the nation, yes,

2718
02:24:40,320 --> 02:24:43,360
Speaker 3: to voters, to all of us about what's happened here

2719
02:24:43,480 --> 02:24:46,959
Speaker 3: and what it means for his predictive path forward.

2720
02:24:47,200 --> 02:24:51,640
Speaker 2: A story beneath the headlines today, Greg Courtier, how attacks

2721
02:24:51,680 --> 02:24:56,199
Speaker 2: on presidents and candidates have shaped US history. Will continue

2722
02:24:56,200 --> 02:24:59,480
Speaker 2: to see the shaping of this modern history, and you'll

2723
02:24:59,480 --> 02:25:03,360
Speaker 2: see that tonight at five pm. Joe Matthew and Kaylee

2724
02:25:03,440 --> 02:25:07,320
Speaker 2: Lane's leading our coverage from Milwaukee. Many more as there

2725
02:25:07,400 --> 02:25:13,000
Speaker 2: as well. Nancy Cook is there among others with Bloomberg News.

2726
02:25:13,080 --> 02:25:16,200
Speaker 2: Please stay with us through the day. As David mentioned

2727
02:25:16,280 --> 02:25:19,240
Speaker 2: with the headline for the Wall Street Journal, breaking news

2728
02:25:19,480 --> 02:25:22,480
Speaker 2: literally by the hour here through the day on an

2729
02:25:22,560 --> 02:25:28,040
Speaker 2: attempted assassination, a failure of assassination of the former President

2730
02:25:28,480 --> 02:25:31,480
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Thanks again to all of our team at

2731
02:25:31,480 --> 02:25:37,440
Speaker 2: Bloomberg Surveillance for tireless coverage. We continue now worldwide Bloomberg Radio.

2732
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:42,120
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02:25:42,240 --> 02:25:46,800
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02:25:46,879 --> 02:25:50,200
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