WEBVTT - We Come to this Place for Magic 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.239 I'm dying. I'm dying of consumption by and that's that's 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:16.119 the plot of m Ridge. I feel like there's a 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:20.159 little bit of a Nicole kiss if you will, you 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:25.320 know anywhere. It's not a Nissance, She's just very present 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:27.920 culture in the moment. So when you think about that 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.400 classic question, who is the celebrity who, no matter what, 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.479 no questions asked, you will show up to any movie, 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.000 TV show, event, whatever they do. Who is that person? 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.040 A lot of people say Julia Roberts, Meryl Street. You know, 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:44.800 when I think about that question, I'm pretty sure my 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:49.000 answer is Nicole Kidman's Mulan Rouge and only Mulan Rouge 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.880 was one of the biggest cultural shifts of my childhood. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.320 And we'll get into that and it for me, it 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.200 was practical Magic, yes exactly, I was gonna say. So, 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.880 we had huge Nicole Kiman related cultural pivot, and I 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.000 do think we will need to do a separate episode 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:11.040 in Practical Magic maybe, but we will be diving into 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.960 them today because we are talking about Nicole Kidman. We 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:18.560 are going through um and looking at not just her work, 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.319 but like Nicole Kidman as she shows up in pop 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.600 culture at large. Because this is like a virgin the 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.720 show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.840 damn you. I'm Fran Toronto. Right now. I'm wearing a wig, 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:33.320 my undoing wig. Fran is wearing a wig. That's more 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:37.160 than do the boy erased wig. I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.080 do the old country mom. Actually, maybe I'll do the 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:44.040 birth wig. I've never I've never seen birth. I know 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.360 the basic premise of it, and I don't know that 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.440 I want to see it, but you know, happy for 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.120 the people who love it. Oh. Actually, maybe the wig 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:57.120 I'm wearing is her wig from the beginning of Stepford 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.760 Wives when she has the short dark hair done. Oh. 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:01.640 I like it's a very good look. I like her 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:07.000 Stepford hair. I think the classic kind of like she's 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:11.160 god any Stepford Wives. This is a great movie. We'll 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:18.320 talk about it. I'm in Los Angeles, Fran is in 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.680 New York. Yes, I'm in New York. I'm having what 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:25.160 feels like my seventh birthday party and the last two 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.800 weeks span um. I just came to these because to 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:31.160 celebrate with some friends. That is why my audio sounds 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.080 a little shitty today. I forgot the little wire part 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:38.480 that connects to my microphone. Very sorry to home. I 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.120 love you, I love your birthday. I love um celebrating 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.799 your birthday with you. I personally don't understand the impulse 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:50.560 to celebrate one's birthday that much. I don't even want 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.480 to do it once. I, as a tourist, throw my 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:58.040 own birthday party every year, if not multiple parties. Parties. Yes, 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.720 but I woke up this morning and I have a 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:05.040 New York bagel and so jealous. You should be jealous 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.640 because I mean not to trash talk l A, but 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.840 like the bagels, they're are just Los Angeles bagels are bullshit. 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:12.840 They're are not on par and let me tell you 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.960 I don't exist. I'm sorry to take here controversial opinion. 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.959 But like this like kind of Instagram famous like l 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.360 a bagel place, Courage Bagels, the one that did you 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.440 see the New York Times article about this place? You know, 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.840 I don't read newspapers. A year or two ago, like 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:27.680 the New York Times wrote a piece that was like 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.959 the best bagels are in Los Angeles, and now every 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.240 time it's not true. But now every time you walk 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:38.120 past Courage Bagels, there's like a two block long line, 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.720 like out the door, it's cuckoo. I went to this 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:45.680 place Rose there's no eggs on the menu. No eggs 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.520 for a bagel. Place that makes no sense. And then 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.040 they didn't how they were out of coffee and they 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.560 waited so long. Yes, they were out of coffee. When 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.280 I was like, what is that's a huge mega flop 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.800 And I ordered a salt bagel, who was actually very 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:02.480 excited about because it had been a minute since I 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.720 ordered a salt bagel and there was no salt on it. 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:12.480 Not enough. Yeah, exactly this low sodium salt bagel. Um. Anyways, 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:17.279 sorry to end rant On on bagels. No, I I 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:21.640 am in the trenches right here with you. I hate 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.960 that Los Angeles doesn't have good bagels. That um my 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.360 hinge profile. You know, one of the questions says, I'm 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:33.839 buying if um we're getting around of And my answer 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:37.440 is bagels. I am a Jewish girl from Bok or 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.560 a Tone. There is nothing I love more than a 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.880 good bagel, and I have yet to find one in 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:43.360 l A. And every time I say that to someone, 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.279 they're like, wait, but have you tried this place? Have 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.119 you tried this place? I actually hooked up with someone 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.200 a couple of months ago who works at a bagel 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.200 place and they were like, oh, but the bagels that 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:54.800 we have a really good and I was like, no, 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.479 they're not. And they were like, have you ever been there? 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.480 And I said no, but I know the the bagels 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:02.080 aren't good. And they were like, oh, I'm going to 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.680 bring you some and I said, please, don't, please do not. 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.800 You can throw that lease, do not. I used to 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.880 work at a bagel store. I've stopped trying. Yeah, I 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:12.640 used to work at a bagel store. And we threw 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.479 out garbage bags filled with bagels. Oh my god, they're 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:21.000 so good. Bagels are so good. You know what else 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:25.680 is really good? Rose? What? Um heart stopper? This show 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.719 on Netflix that you high key introduced me to because 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.880 you gave me the first edition. It was like the 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.640 first installation of the graphic novel series that it's based on. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.719 While I had COVID and now it's a show. I 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:42.800 knew you needed something, um, you know, uh tender and 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:46.400 and nice. Let me tell you I opened. I opened 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.240 up that book thinking like, you know, I was gonna 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.599 fall asleep to it after like page fifteen, and I 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.880 was up until one finishing that book, it was so good. 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:01.320 And the show, which really like lift scenes from the book, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.640 like panel by panel, which I really love, like it's 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.080 a very true adaptation, was just as well. It was 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.640 helmed by Alice Osman, who wrote and drew the comics. 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:15.320 No way that never happen. Yeah, Alice was the showrunner. Wow, 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.039 that reminds me of like the Perks of being a 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:20.800 Wallfler adaptation also by the author, and how it was 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.880 just like such a true perfect like it never happens 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.400 that way, where like the adaptation is as good or 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.960 embellishes what we enjoyed about the book. But like, I mean, 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.920 there are a lot of things I loved about Heart Stopper. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:33.960 I'd be curious to know, like what you loved about it. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.960 But like, first off, like every character that isn't one 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.239 of the two main characters is a lesbian, and this show, 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.880 like every single like even the characters that aren't lesbians 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.640 are lesbians, like the teachers. So it's so great that 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.560 they talk specifically about being lesbians. I think like for 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.680 some reason in TV, that has become like a naughty 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.600 word or like I don't know, there's this feeling from 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.160 jen Z that they don't want to define themselves or 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.640 shouldn't have to, or like you know, Harry Style saying 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:08.400 like he'll never reveal his sexuality whatever. And it's just 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:12.800 so nice to have like these girls saying they're lesbians 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.760 because that is really important for the young lesbians watching 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:19.640 the show exactly, and like lesbian humor really snuck through 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.520 over and over again, and also bisexual humor because there's 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.440 a by character in this show and like, I'm sure 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.040 this was the moment that was it for you, but 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.680 like kind of spoiler alert, the moment that one of 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.560 the main characters figures out that he's bisexual is when 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.360 he's watching Pirates of the Caribbean and he realizes that 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:42.280 he's attracted to both Kara Knightley and Arlando Bloom, which 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.800 is that's how it happened. That's how it happens. That 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.320 is exactly how it happened. Everyone knows that there are 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.160 two bisexual cultural objects in this world, and it's Pirates 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.400 of the Caribbean and Aladdin. And if you're attracted to 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:57.120 both of the romantic leads in those movies, that is 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:01.440 like your bisexual awakening. Um is true. Um. I also 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:08.239 just loved um L the character played by um Yasmin 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:12.000 Finney who's trans. I thought it was so great to 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:19.200 see a trans character who's like any um, any conflict 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:22.720 she had in her life was not about being trans. Um. 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:27.600 And even the way she was introduced where they said like, oh, yeah, 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:29.960 she used to go to school with us, like they 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.120 never they never had to like have a moment where 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.920 they're like, yes, her name used to be this and 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.680 she used to identify this way, and like it was 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:42.400 just like really, it was a really nice um. Just 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:47.960 look at what queer representation in popular culture can be 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.400 if it's done the right way by queer people. Yeah. 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.040 And like the other thing about like queer storytelling us, 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.200 like a lot of the stories that were used to 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.720 our stories were in the trans person or the queer 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.080 person like walks into the room and everything has to 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:06.800 come to a screeching halt to like acknowledge that's what happens. Yeah, 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.800 everyone's like wait, we just have to stop and say 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:10.839 that this person is trans. But like with hard stop 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.160 where it's like the queerness even though they are like 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.679 coming out um components of the plot like that, it's 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.120 all very effortless and the plot does not really waste time, 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.520 um under the umbrella of oppression, and it gets it 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.520 right into the drama and the love and the romance. 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:31.440 It's so good, it's very sweet. UM highly recommend. We 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.840 also started on our Netflix role. I'm selling Sunset this week, 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.640 this let this past week. UM, I just finished it 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:40.640 last night. I finished it two. What did you think? 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.040 What is Christine really going to leave the O group? 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:48.760 Like what I'm going on? This season has really picked up, 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.600 like I think the fit like it really like I 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.000 don't know, has been like a roller coaster for me. 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.199 And like I was not a passive watcher this season. 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:03.960 It was very active. Mica is so hot, so hot, 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.160 it's insane. I just have to pour one out for Chelsea. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.400 She and her indecipherable accent. Indecipherable. She went to the 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:15.840 Dorry Kemsley School of Dialect Coaching, Mama, and I have 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:20.080 to tell you, Chelsea is such an exceptional villain. Like 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:25.640 the way she goes into a conversation and poses all 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:29.480 these other girls down, Like to me, it's just like 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.400 so it's like so incisively done. And I think something 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:37.880 that she does very well is be a reality TV character. 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:39.640 You know what I mean, A lot of the other 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.800 girls are like amazing, but you're like, you know, we're 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.520 real estate agents, like we're trying to do our job. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.600 At Chelsea's there to like be on TV and she's 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.840 like so good at it. Also, I mean Roman like 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.800 parts of oh is it Romane? Yeah, like the lettuce 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.679 I think parts of earlier seasons like I didn't quite 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.720 like get it. I was like, okay, like I don't know. 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.040 I always call him like Mary's like male order bride 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:09.280 kind of moment, but like for me, like Romaine. I 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.199 think something about this season. I was like, maybe it's 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.199 because he's very like Adam Driver sized. I'm like, he's 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.520 really doing it for me and he's very charming and 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.520 like I love his conflicts with Mary are much more 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.640 um speaking out speaking of Adam Driver, um No, I 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:30.440 did finish Girls on Saturday. I watched all six seasons 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:34.400 of Girls in two weeks. That's kind of gross. It 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:39.360 is it is sick for your health. I'm also concerned 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.400 for my health. I mean, I'll say I've been dealing 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.040 with some personal issues which have led me to spend 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:49.840 hours at a time watching Girls on Atrio, Max and 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.559 the Girls have been there for me in the trenches. 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.480 The last season is so good. Um, we we talked 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.200 about this a lot last week. If you haven't listen 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.760 to Our Girls episode, please do. But yeah, I think 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.319 like there definitely are some bad seasons around the middle 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:11.480 that I didn't really remember much of, but the last 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:16.920 two seasons are so great, And um, I don't know, 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:23.280 I might be ready for a lenaisance Rose don't even 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.280 invoke that. I mean, we already had our lena'sans, Like, 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:28.600 I don't even I don't think that there's a zance 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.280 to be happening. Asonce is a return. Um we are 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:36.520 having you know, Jemima. Okay, Jessa is very much in 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.720 the culture. She's going to be in Conversations with Friends, 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.559 which is the next Sally Rooney adaptation, which I am 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:47.160 excited about because I like Conversations with Friends even more 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:51.199 than I liked Normal People the book. But the trailer 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:55.600 made it look very melodramatic in a way that Sally 0:12:55.679 --> 0:13:00.120 Rooney's writing just isn't. Have you read any Sally Rooney. No, 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:05.920 that's another kind of like tragically heterosexual, Like Conversations with 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.880 Friends is queer. Yeah, you were telling and I mean 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.360 also her most recent book, My Beautiful World. Where Are You? 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:15.079 There's a bisexual character in it. Yeah, but trailers are marketing. 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.520 We'll see what the show is actually like. I obviously 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:21.000 will be watching it both for you know, the salaryny 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.600 of it all, and because I want to see if, um, 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:28.440 Taylor Swiss boyfriend is going to show cock. Oh my gosh, 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.720 he's in it, or at least but yeah, he's the 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.240 male lead. Yeah. I mean, this is one of those 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.679 things that you're just gonna have to let me know 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.040 because I will never read the books and I probably 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.080 won't watch the things, you know what I mean? But 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.400 I respect and I think you're missing out. I think 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.679 it would be a great beach read this summer for you. 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.080 I'm sure I'll have a gander the next time I 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:53.000 get the flu or something, but not not today. Um. 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:57.080 But speaking of Hulu, Uh, there's a new lesbian rom 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.960 com on Hulu called Crush. Have you heard about this? 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.840 I have? Um, I mean we we know several people 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:07.120 who were involved in it. Yes, yeah, yeah, there's quite 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.439 There was quite an amazing cast and team of writers 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:13.200 on this film, and it is the most adorable, like 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.760 teeny bopper kind of love triangle story I have seen 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.880 in quite some time, and also just like tragically like 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.360 one of a kind in its era, Like they're really 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.440 like a lesbian romcom that takes place in high school 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.320 should not be rare. And I think to see like 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.120 run Blenchard and the girl from Mohanna and like all 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.400 these other folks kind of come together to in it. Yes, 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:40.720 Molanna's in it and she's good. Oh she's she's queer. 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.720 I r L right, I believe so. Yes, and all 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.800 three of the leads are extremely hot, um, which is 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:48.800 maybe my one complaint. I was like, it's I was 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:50.800 like all three of these like they're all so hot. 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.680 Like I was like, what is even We need ugly representations, 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:58.320 so we need ugly representation. Um. But the jokes are 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.440 whip smart. The ending maybe a little too tidy, But 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.880 like the thing about like representation at larrangees like we 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.400 need to just be making things and like not like 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:12.560 tearing them apart. We say, like, this is a movie 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.800 and it was cute and I enjoyed myself and I 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.480 also had a cute date like on that at the 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.000 movie screening, and so you know that's like what these 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.200 movies are for to like take dates to. Right. Yes, 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.640 one film though that I would not have taken a 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.480 date to is The Northman. Well, actually maybe I would, 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:33.000 because it's that's kind of my date vibe. We today, 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.520 obviously are are larger. Conversation is about Nicole Kidman and 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:40.080 friend and I had planned to see The Northman together. Um, 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.920 due to scheduling, that was not possible. And I think 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.840 it's probably for the best because fran you would have 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.880 hated it, really, you would have hated it so much, 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.680 Oh my god, I mean you didn't like The Green 0:15:52.880 --> 0:16:00.640 Night you you would have hated hated the Door. You know, 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:07.760 it's it's so violent and gory and it's so um 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:13.760 mask even though there's a lot of like there's a 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.200 there's a lot of great performances by women in it, 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.600 and like, as it turns out, the women kind of 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:25.400 drive the story. But it's just not it's not your tea, 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.360 you know. I feel like there's still a chance I'll 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.320 go see it on report back, But like, if you 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.120 don't want to read conversations with friends, I don't see 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.600 you watching The Northman. Look I like some like you know, 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:41.080 broy like sci fi, like epic stories. You know, I 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.520 thought that it was BROI it's that it was. You 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.800 said it was kind of mask so I guess yeah. 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.760 So you know, it's directed by the same director who 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:54.920 did The Witch or The Vich and the Lighthouse, and 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.480 in the same way that The Witch was styled as 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:01.960 a New England folk tale, and like The Witch truly 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.960 is like what would happen if all of the like 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:10.040 folk tales about witches from the time of Americans, like 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:15.119 colonizing and settling in um North America were true? You know, 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.040 like this very traditional tale of like a witch living 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.080 in the woods who worshiped Satan blah blah blah, and 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.600 like doing kind of like a literal interpretation of that 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.960 in a very like engaging, artful way. Um. I think 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:34.000 this similarly is that for this like Norse Viking tale 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.440 of revenge? And I just I don't know if that's 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.840 something you would enjoy. I could definitely see us walking 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.359 out of the theater and you're going, um, I hated that, 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.119 you know, I liked The Witch. I think to me, 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.520 it's all down to how slow the movie is. Because 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.000 the movie is really slow and a lot of exposition. 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.720 I do tend to, like, you know, to now, but 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.600 like if there's some battles and there's some incest and 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.360 there's some buelerk, like I feel like there is there 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:05.280 is incest, there is incest and b york be or 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.400 there should have been more buyork. Honestly, she is only 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.000 in it very briefly, and I could have used about, 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:18.680 you know, uh more more bork, as is the case 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:23.639 with anything you know. Anna Taylor Joy was fab, she 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:28.240 always is. Her hair was so blonde. Um, Nicole Kidman 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:33.520 was great. She like she's a main character. Is she 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:38.200 kind of a side character? She is in terms of 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.680 the screen time she gets. She is more of a 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:47.000 secondary character, but she is looming presence throughout the film. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:53.159 It has some incredible scenes. I'm so excited. I mean, 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.600 I'm going to watch it. I think I might prove 0:18:55.680 --> 0:19:16.680 you wrong. Okay, Um, Nicole Kidman icon legend star in 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:22.840 every sense of the word. Oscar Winner, Aussie and are our. 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:24.920 I mean not to start with this, but if that 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:29.240 is perhaps Nicole's one fatal flaw, it is the occasional 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:33.720 slipping into any when she does her therapy scenes and 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.760 big little etcetera. Her black sent work is spotty best. 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:42.360 But the thing is it doesn't matter because she's so magnetic. 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.159 It's kind of like, I feel like cool transcends genre, 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:49.200 space and time dialects. Tony Collette also, you know, sometimes 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.560 doesn't always nail the accent, but it doesn't matter. Like 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:53.399 there are a lot of like women who it's like, 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:59.879 it doesn't matter slipping because you're so good. Um, So okay, 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.760 let's start from the beginning. Is practical magic. The beginning 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.520 for your practical magic is the beginning for me in 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:12.480 so many ways. I would say, of like, if we're 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:15.600 talking about like pop cultural top tens, you know, we 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:20.440 talked in our Wizard of Oz episode about how returned 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.280 to Oz is one of the most formative things in 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.440 my life. Practical magic is like one of those ten 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.600 things as well. It is definitely the thing I mean, 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:33.040 I'm sure Wizard of Oz and the related content I 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:34.960 think are the first things in my life that made 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.399 me obsessed with witches. And I think practical magic was 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:42.040 like the gateway into a kind of like um modern 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:46.679 contemporary like sexy nineties, which and I think practical magic 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:48.879 is like much more of the like aesthetic that I 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.600 was drawn to, you know, the like the shelf of 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:55.560 the like the like coastal Grandma vibes, the like cottage 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:59.679 core vibes of like the house. And the extensions. Oh 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.080 my god, there have never been more extensions in a 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.600 film than there are in Practical Magic. Actually, it's really 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.160 you would think with all of the wigs and all 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.159 of the hair that Nicole has worn, but it really is. 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.040 I was alarmed by the amount of hair and that 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.480 was it must have been so heavy and practice. This 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:19.119 is an episode, truly, everyone, This is episode about wigs, truly, 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.560 and you and I are probably gonna do a separate 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.840 episode on Practical Magic, but it's worth mentioning that you 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.359 did induct me into that movie. That was a true, 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.239 true to the conceit of the show. I had never 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:30.600 seen it before and you were like, you need to 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:35.919 see Practical Magic. Yeah, we on Halloween twenty twenty watched 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.720 Practical Magic in your old apartment in West Hollywood. And 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:43.440 so your Practical Magic was my Mulin rouge, another Nicole 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:47.080 kidman you know, vehicle, and um for me, it was 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:50.760 based in a very specific moment in my life where um, 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:54.120 I was kind of coming out of my like Bible 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:57.879 closet and starting to make friends. That weren't Christians and 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.959 weren't from youth group. And one of my friends had 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:04.480 a next door neighbor that was like a a profuse 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:08.000 atheist at the age of seventh grade, and that was 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.160 like so terrifying to me, as like a little Christian baby. 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:14.520 And yet I was so drawn to like this the badness, 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:16.840 you know, so drawn to like someone who I feel 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:19.040 like everyone has kind of like a bad girl figure 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:21.520 in their childhood that like, you know, broke them open 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:23.760 in a little way. And for me, this girl, Melt 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:27.320 was it. And Melt a slut name. It is a 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:30.399 slut name, and she was a by atheist slut. Oh 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:33.639 my god, I love her. Yes, and I'm also atheist. 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.680 Yes you are. Yes, how do y'all find me? I 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:41.800 don't know? Um and you have some kind of pheromones. Yeah, 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:43.920 and so she so we would like play around the 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:45.560 cold de sect. We would also like play truth or 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:49.040 air like, yeah, culd a sector slutty. I'm pretty sure that, 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:51.440 like Mel was one of my first is like a 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:54.840 whole we would do like you would like sexually explore, 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.040 like us seventh graders together. So she was kind of 0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:00.200 corrupting us in truth or dairy ways, like it was 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:02.440 like a whole mess. But like mel was not only 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.560 the person to show me rent, which was another thing 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:06.200 that we've talked about on the show about as a 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:10.480 thing that broke me open. We'll we won't, we will 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.119 um and but that was like a secular awakening. But 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:16.800 Mulan Rouge was it. And I think for me it 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:22.360 combined things that I'm attracted to now in terms of fabulouism, fantasy, 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:25.080 the kind of over the topness of bas Lermans, like 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:29.399