1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: I'm dying. I'm dying of consumption by and that's that's 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: the plot of m Ridge. I feel like there's a 3 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: little bit of a Nicole kiss if you will, you 4 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: know anywhere. It's not a Nissance, She's just very present 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: culture in the moment. So when you think about that 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: classic question, who is the celebrity who, no matter what, 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: no questions asked, you will show up to any movie, 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: TV show, event, whatever they do. Who is that person? 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: A lot of people say Julia Roberts, Meryl Street. You know, 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: when I think about that question, I'm pretty sure my 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: answer is Nicole Kidman's Mulan Rouge and only Mulan Rouge 12 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: was one of the biggest cultural shifts of my childhood. 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: And we'll get into that and it for me, it 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: was practical Magic, yes exactly, I was gonna say. So, 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: we had huge Nicole Kiman related cultural pivot, and I 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: do think we will need to do a separate episode 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: in Practical Magic maybe, but we will be diving into 18 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: them today because we are talking about Nicole Kidman. We 19 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: are going through um and looking at not just her work, 20 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: but like Nicole Kidman as she shows up in pop 21 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: culture at large. Because this is like a virgin the 22 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: damn you. I'm Fran Toronto. Right now. I'm wearing a wig, 24 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: my undoing wig. Fran is wearing a wig. That's more 25 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: than do the boy erased wig. I'm gonna I'm gonna 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: do the old country mom. Actually, maybe I'll do the 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: birth wig. I've never I've never seen birth. I know 28 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: the basic premise of it, and I don't know that 29 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: I want to see it, but you know, happy for 30 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: the people who love it. Oh. Actually, maybe the wig 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: I'm wearing is her wig from the beginning of Stepford 32 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: Wives when she has the short dark hair done. Oh. 33 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: I like it's a very good look. I like her 34 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: Stepford hair. I think the classic kind of like she's 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: god any Stepford Wives. This is a great movie. We'll 36 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: talk about it. I'm in Los Angeles, Fran is in 37 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: New York. Yes, I'm in New York. I'm having what 38 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: feels like my seventh birthday party and the last two 39 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: weeks span um. I just came to these because to 40 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: celebrate with some friends. That is why my audio sounds 41 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: a little shitty today. I forgot the little wire part 42 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: that connects to my microphone. Very sorry to home. I 43 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: love you, I love your birthday. I love um celebrating 44 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: your birthday with you. I personally don't understand the impulse 45 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: to celebrate one's birthday that much. I don't even want 46 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: to do it once. I, as a tourist, throw my 47 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: own birthday party every year, if not multiple parties. Parties. Yes, 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: but I woke up this morning and I have a 49 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: New York bagel and so jealous. You should be jealous 50 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: because I mean not to trash talk l A, but 51 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: like the bagels, they're are just Los Angeles bagels are bullshit. 52 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: They're are not on par and let me tell you 53 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: I don't exist. I'm sorry to take here controversial opinion. 54 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: But like this like kind of Instagram famous like l 55 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: a bagel place, Courage Bagels, the one that did you 56 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: see the New York Times article about this place? You know, 57 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: I don't read newspapers. A year or two ago, like 58 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: the New York Times wrote a piece that was like 59 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: the best bagels are in Los Angeles, and now every 60 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: time it's not true. But now every time you walk 61 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: past Courage Bagels, there's like a two block long line, 62 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: like out the door, it's cuckoo. I went to this 63 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: place Rose there's no eggs on the menu. No eggs 64 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: for a bagel. Place that makes no sense. And then 65 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: they didn't how they were out of coffee and they 66 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: waited so long. Yes, they were out of coffee. When 67 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: I was like, what is that's a huge mega flop 68 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: And I ordered a salt bagel, who was actually very 69 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: excited about because it had been a minute since I 70 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: ordered a salt bagel and there was no salt on it. 71 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: Not enough. Yeah, exactly this low sodium salt bagel. Um. Anyways, 72 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: sorry to end rant On on bagels. No, I I 73 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: am in the trenches right here with you. I hate 74 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: that Los Angeles doesn't have good bagels. That um my 75 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: hinge profile. You know, one of the questions says, I'm 76 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: buying if um we're getting around of And my answer 77 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: is bagels. I am a Jewish girl from Bok or 78 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: a Tone. There is nothing I love more than a 79 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: good bagel, and I have yet to find one in 80 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: l A. And every time I say that to someone, 81 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: they're like, wait, but have you tried this place? Have 82 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,119 Speaker 1: you tried this place? I actually hooked up with someone 83 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago who works at a bagel 84 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: place and they were like, oh, but the bagels that 85 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: we have a really good and I was like, no, 86 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: they're not. And they were like, have you ever been there? 87 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: And I said no, but I know the the bagels 88 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: aren't good. And they were like, oh, I'm going to 89 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: bring you some and I said, please, don't, please do not. 90 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: You can throw that lease, do not. I used to 91 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: work at a bagel store. I've stopped trying. Yeah, I 92 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: used to work at a bagel store. And we threw 93 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: out garbage bags filled with bagels. Oh my god, they're 94 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: so good. Bagels are so good. You know what else 95 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: is really good? Rose? What? Um heart stopper? This show 96 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: on Netflix that you high key introduced me to because 97 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: you gave me the first edition. It was like the 98 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: first installation of the graphic novel series that it's based on. 99 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: While I had COVID and now it's a show. I 100 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: knew you needed something, um, you know, uh tender and 101 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: and nice. Let me tell you I opened. I opened 102 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: up that book thinking like, you know, I was gonna 103 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: fall asleep to it after like page fifteen, and I 104 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: was up until one finishing that book, it was so good. 105 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: And the show, which really like lift scenes from the book, 106 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: like panel by panel, which I really love, like it's 107 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: a very true adaptation, was just as well. It was 108 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: helmed by Alice Osman, who wrote and drew the comics. 109 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: No way that never happen. Yeah, Alice was the showrunner. Wow, 110 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: that reminds me of like the Perks of being a 111 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: Wallfler adaptation also by the author, and how it was 112 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: just like such a true perfect like it never happens 113 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: that way, where like the adaptation is as good or 114 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: embellishes what we enjoyed about the book. But like, I mean, 115 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: there are a lot of things I loved about Heart Stopper. 116 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: I'd be curious to know, like what you loved about it. 117 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: But like, first off, like every character that isn't one 118 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,239 Speaker 1: of the two main characters is a lesbian, and this show, 119 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: like every single like even the characters that aren't lesbians 120 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: are lesbians, like the teachers. So it's so great that 121 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: they talk specifically about being lesbians. I think like for 122 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: some reason in TV, that has become like a naughty 123 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: word or like I don't know, there's this feeling from 124 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: jen Z that they don't want to define themselves or 125 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to, or like you know, Harry Style saying 126 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: like he'll never reveal his sexuality whatever. And it's just 127 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: so nice to have like these girls saying they're lesbians 128 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: because that is really important for the young lesbians watching 129 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: the show exactly, and like lesbian humor really snuck through 130 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: over and over again, and also bisexual humor because there's 131 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: a by character in this show and like, I'm sure 132 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: this was the moment that was it for you, but 133 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: like kind of spoiler alert, the moment that one of 134 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: the main characters figures out that he's bisexual is when 135 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: he's watching Pirates of the Caribbean and he realizes that 136 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: he's attracted to both Kara Knightley and Arlando Bloom, which 137 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: is that's how it happened. That's how it happens. That 138 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: is exactly how it happened. Everyone knows that there are 139 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: two bisexual cultural objects in this world, and it's Pirates 140 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: of the Caribbean and Aladdin. And if you're attracted to 141 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: both of the romantic leads in those movies, that is 142 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: like your bisexual awakening. Um is true. Um. I also 143 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 1: just loved um L the character played by um Yasmin 144 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: Finney who's trans. I thought it was so great to 145 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: see a trans character who's like any um, any conflict 146 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: she had in her life was not about being trans. Um. 147 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: And even the way she was introduced where they said like, oh, yeah, 148 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: she used to go to school with us, like they 149 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: never they never had to like have a moment where 150 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: they're like, yes, her name used to be this and 151 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: she used to identify this way, and like it was 152 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: just like really, it was a really nice um. Just 153 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: look at what queer representation in popular culture can be 154 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: if it's done the right way by queer people. Yeah. 155 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: And like the other thing about like queer storytelling us, 156 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: like a lot of the stories that were used to 157 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: our stories were in the trans person or the queer 158 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: person like walks into the room and everything has to 159 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: come to a screeching halt to like acknowledge that's what happens. Yeah, 160 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: everyone's like wait, we just have to stop and say 161 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: that this person is trans. But like with hard stop 162 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: where it's like the queerness even though they are like 163 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: coming out um components of the plot like that, it's 164 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: all very effortless and the plot does not really waste time, 165 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: um under the umbrella of oppression, and it gets it 166 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: right into the drama and the love and the romance. 167 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: It's so good, it's very sweet. UM highly recommend. We 168 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: also started on our Netflix role. I'm selling Sunset this week, 169 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: this let this past week. UM, I just finished it 170 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: last night. I finished it two. What did you think? 171 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: What is Christine really going to leave the O group? 172 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: Like what I'm going on? This season has really picked up, 173 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: like I think the fit like it really like I 174 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: don't know, has been like a roller coaster for me. 175 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: And like I was not a passive watcher this season. 176 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: It was very active. Mica is so hot, so hot, 177 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: it's insane. I just have to pour one out for Chelsea. 178 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: She and her indecipherable accent. Indecipherable. She went to the 179 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: Dorry Kemsley School of Dialect Coaching, Mama, and I have 180 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: to tell you, Chelsea is such an exceptional villain. Like 181 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: the way she goes into a conversation and poses all 182 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: these other girls down, Like to me, it's just like 183 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: so it's like so incisively done. And I think something 184 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: that she does very well is be a reality TV character. 185 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, A lot of the other 186 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: girls are like amazing, but you're like, you know, we're 187 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: real estate agents, like we're trying to do our job. 188 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: At Chelsea's there to like be on TV and she's 189 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: like so good at it. Also, I mean Roman like 190 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: parts of oh is it Romane? Yeah, like the lettuce 191 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: I think parts of earlier seasons like I didn't quite 192 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: like get it. I was like, okay, like I don't know. 193 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: I always call him like Mary's like male order bride 194 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: kind of moment, but like for me, like Romaine. I 195 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: think something about this season. I was like, maybe it's 196 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: because he's very like Adam Driver sized. I'm like, he's 197 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: really doing it for me and he's very charming and 198 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: like I love his conflicts with Mary are much more 199 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: um speaking out speaking of Adam Driver, um No, I 200 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: did finish Girls on Saturday. I watched all six seasons 201 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: of Girls in two weeks. That's kind of gross. It 202 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: is it is sick for your health. I'm also concerned 203 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: for my health. I mean, I'll say I've been dealing 204 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: with some personal issues which have led me to spend 205 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: hours at a time watching Girls on Atrio, Max and 206 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: the Girls have been there for me in the trenches. 207 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: The last season is so good. Um, we we talked 208 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: about this a lot last week. If you haven't listen 209 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: to Our Girls episode, please do. But yeah, I think 210 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: like there definitely are some bad seasons around the middle 211 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: that I didn't really remember much of, but the last 212 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: two seasons are so great, And um, I don't know, 213 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: I might be ready for a lenaisance Rose don't even 214 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: invoke that. I mean, we already had our lena'sans, Like, 215 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: I don't even I don't think that there's a zance 216 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: to be happening. Asonce is a return. Um we are 217 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: having you know, Jemima. Okay, Jessa is very much in 218 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: the culture. She's going to be in Conversations with Friends, 219 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: which is the next Sally Rooney adaptation, which I am 220 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: excited about because I like Conversations with Friends even more 221 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: than I liked Normal People the book. But the trailer 222 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: made it look very melodramatic in a way that Sally 223 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: Rooney's writing just isn't. Have you read any Sally Rooney. No, 224 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: that's another kind of like tragically heterosexual, Like Conversations with 225 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: Friends is queer. Yeah, you were telling and I mean 226 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: also her most recent book, My Beautiful World. Where Are You? 227 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: There's a bisexual character in it. Yeah, but trailers are marketing. 228 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: We'll see what the show is actually like. I obviously 229 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: will be watching it both for you know, the salaryny 230 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: of it all, and because I want to see if, um, 231 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: Taylor Swiss boyfriend is going to show cock. Oh my gosh, 232 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: he's in it, or at least but yeah, he's the 233 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: male lead. Yeah. I mean, this is one of those 234 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: things that you're just gonna have to let me know 235 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: because I will never read the books and I probably 236 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: won't watch the things, you know what I mean? But 237 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: I respect and I think you're missing out. I think 238 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: it would be a great beach read this summer for you. 239 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll have a gander the next time I 240 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: get the flu or something, but not not today. Um. 241 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: But speaking of Hulu, Uh, there's a new lesbian rom 242 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: com on Hulu called Crush. Have you heard about this? 243 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: I have? Um, I mean we we know several people 244 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: who were involved in it. Yes, yeah, yeah, there's quite 245 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: There was quite an amazing cast and team of writers 246 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: on this film, and it is the most adorable, like 247 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: teeny bopper kind of love triangle story I have seen 248 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: in quite some time, and also just like tragically like 249 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: one of a kind in its era, Like they're really 250 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: like a lesbian romcom that takes place in high school 251 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: should not be rare. And I think to see like 252 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: run Blenchard and the girl from Mohanna and like all 253 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: these other folks kind of come together to in it. Yes, 254 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: Molanna's in it and she's good. Oh she's she's queer. 255 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: I r L right, I believe so. Yes, and all 256 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: three of the leads are extremely hot, um, which is 257 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: maybe my one complaint. I was like, it's I was 258 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: like all three of these like they're all so hot. 259 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: Like I was like, what is even We need ugly representations, 260 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: so we need ugly representation. Um. But the jokes are 261 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: whip smart. The ending maybe a little too tidy, But 262 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: like the thing about like representation at larrangees like we 263 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: need to just be making things and like not like 264 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: tearing them apart. We say, like, this is a movie 265 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: and it was cute and I enjoyed myself and I 266 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: also had a cute date like on that at the 267 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: movie screening, and so you know that's like what these 268 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: movies are for to like take dates to. Right. Yes, 269 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: one film though that I would not have taken a 270 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: date to is The Northman. Well, actually maybe I would, 271 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: because it's that's kind of my date vibe. We today, 272 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: obviously are are larger. Conversation is about Nicole Kidman and 273 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: friend and I had planned to see The Northman together. Um, 274 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: due to scheduling, that was not possible. And I think 275 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: it's probably for the best because fran you would have 276 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: hated it, really, you would have hated it so much, 277 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean you didn't like The Green 278 00:15:52,880 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: Night you you would have hated hated the Door. You know, 279 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: it's it's so violent and gory and it's so um 280 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: mask even though there's a lot of like there's a 281 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of great performances by women in it, 282 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: and like, as it turns out, the women kind of 283 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: drive the story. But it's just not it's not your tea, 284 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: you know. I feel like there's still a chance I'll 285 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: go see it on report back, But like, if you 286 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: don't want to read conversations with friends, I don't see 287 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: you watching The Northman. Look I like some like you know, 288 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: broy like sci fi, like epic stories. You know, I 289 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: thought that it was BROI it's that it was. You 290 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: said it was kind of mask so I guess yeah. 291 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: So you know, it's directed by the same director who 292 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: did The Witch or The Vich and the Lighthouse, and 293 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: in the same way that The Witch was styled as 294 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: a New England folk tale, and like The Witch truly 295 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: is like what would happen if all of the like 296 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: folk tales about witches from the time of Americans, like 297 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: colonizing and settling in um North America were true? You know, 298 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: like this very traditional tale of like a witch living 299 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: in the woods who worshiped Satan blah blah blah, and 300 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: like doing kind of like a literal interpretation of that 301 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: in a very like engaging, artful way. Um. I think 302 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: this similarly is that for this like Norse Viking tale 303 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: of revenge? And I just I don't know if that's 304 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: something you would enjoy. I could definitely see us walking 305 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: out of the theater and you're going, um, I hated that, 306 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: you know, I liked The Witch. I think to me, 307 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: it's all down to how slow the movie is. Because 308 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: the movie is really slow and a lot of exposition. 309 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: I do tend to, like, you know, to now, but 310 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: like if there's some battles and there's some incest and 311 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: there's some buelerk, like I feel like there is there 312 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: is incest, there is incest and b york be or 313 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: there should have been more buyork. Honestly, she is only 314 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: in it very briefly, and I could have used about, 315 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: you know, uh more more bork, as is the case 316 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: with anything you know. Anna Taylor Joy was fab, she 317 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: always is. Her hair was so blonde. Um, Nicole Kidman 318 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: was great. She like she's a main character. Is she 319 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: kind of a side character? She is in terms of 320 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: the screen time she gets. She is more of a 321 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: secondary character, but she is looming presence throughout the film. 322 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: It has some incredible scenes. I'm so excited. I mean, 323 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to watch it. I think I might prove 324 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: you wrong. Okay, Um, Nicole Kidman icon legend star in 325 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: every sense of the word. Oscar Winner, Aussie and are our. 326 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: I mean not to start with this, but if that 327 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: is perhaps Nicole's one fatal flaw, it is the occasional 328 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: slipping into any when she does her therapy scenes and 329 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: big little etcetera. Her black sent work is spotty best. 330 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: But the thing is it doesn't matter because she's so magnetic. 331 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: It's kind of like, I feel like cool transcends genre, 332 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: space and time dialects. Tony Collette also, you know, sometimes 333 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: doesn't always nail the accent, but it doesn't matter. Like 334 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: there are a lot of like women who it's like, 335 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter slipping because you're so good. Um, So okay, 336 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: let's start from the beginning. Is practical magic. The beginning 337 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: for your practical magic is the beginning for me in 338 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: so many ways. I would say, of like, if we're 339 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: talking about like pop cultural top tens, you know, we 340 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: talked in our Wizard of Oz episode about how returned 341 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: to Oz is one of the most formative things in 342 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: my life. Practical magic is like one of those ten 343 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: things as well. It is definitely the thing I mean, 344 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure Wizard of Oz and the related content I 345 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: think are the first things in my life that made 346 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: me obsessed with witches. And I think practical magic was 347 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: like the gateway into a kind of like um modern 348 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: contemporary like sexy nineties, which and I think practical magic 349 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: is like much more of the like aesthetic that I 350 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: was drawn to, you know, the like the shelf of 351 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: the like the like coastal Grandma vibes, the like cottage 352 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: core vibes of like the house. And the extensions. Oh 353 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: my god, there have never been more extensions in a 354 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: film than there are in Practical Magic. Actually, it's really 355 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: you would think with all of the wigs and all 356 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: of the hair that Nicole has worn, but it really is. 357 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: I was alarmed by the amount of hair and that 358 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: was it must have been so heavy and practice. This 359 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: is an episode, truly, everyone, This is episode about wigs, truly, 360 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: and you and I are probably gonna do a separate 361 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: episode on Practical Magic, but it's worth mentioning that you 362 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: did induct me into that movie. That was a true, 363 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,239 Speaker 1: true to the conceit of the show. I had never 364 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: seen it before and you were like, you need to 365 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: see Practical Magic. Yeah, we on Halloween twenty twenty watched 366 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: Practical Magic in your old apartment in West Hollywood. And 367 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: so your Practical Magic was my Mulin rouge, another Nicole 368 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: kidman you know, vehicle, and um for me, it was 369 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: based in a very specific moment in my life where um, 370 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: I was kind of coming out of my like Bible 371 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: closet and starting to make friends. That weren't Christians and 372 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 1: weren't from youth group. And one of my friends had 373 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: a next door neighbor that was like a a profuse 374 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: atheist at the age of seventh grade, and that was 375 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: like so terrifying to me, as like a little Christian baby. 376 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: And yet I was so drawn to like this the badness, 377 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, so drawn to like someone who I feel 378 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: like everyone has kind of like a bad girl figure 379 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: in their childhood that like, you know, broke them open 380 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: in a little way. And for me, this girl, Melt 381 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: was it. And Melt a slut name. It is a 382 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: slut name, and she was a by atheist slut. Oh 383 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: my god, I love her. Yes, and I'm also atheist. 384 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: Yes you are. Yes, how do y'all find me? I 385 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: don't know? Um and you have some kind of pheromones. Yeah, 386 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: and so she so we would like play around the 387 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: cold de sect. We would also like play truth or 388 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: air like, yeah, culd a sector slutty. I'm pretty sure that, 389 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: like Mel was one of my first is like a 390 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: whole we would do like you would like sexually explore, 391 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: like us seventh graders together. So she was kind of 392 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: corrupting us in truth or dairy ways, like it was 393 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: like a whole mess. But like mel was not only 394 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: the person to show me rent, which was another thing 395 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: that we've talked about on the show about as a 396 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: thing that broke me open. We'll we won't, we will 397 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: um and but that was like a secular awakening. But 398 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: Mulan Rouge was it. And I think for me it 399 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: combined things that I'm attracted to now in terms of fabulouism, fantasy, 400 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: the kind of over the topness of bas Lermans, like 401 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: kind of aesthetic lent it to the extremely gay appeal 402 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: of that movie. And they I think that on top 403 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: of queerness in the movie, on top of um, a 404 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: lot of sex in the movie, on top of like 405 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: you know, drugs, drinking, like all these different stuff and 406 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: like hooker and the romance. Yeah, and it's like all 407 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: of that is it is like a mainstream movie musical 408 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: about sex workers. Yes, And I think that that was 409 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: like just imagine any consumption, seventh g D consumption, yes, 410 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: and seventh grade friend. Like the shows I watched with 411 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: my family are like Little House on the Prairie and 412 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: then Melbanne Yes, and then amel being like, well, have 413 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: you seen Mulan Rouge. So I will remember watching this 414 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: movie and being like feeling kind of scared. Literally, like 415 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: that's my experience of watching the film. But in terms 416 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: of Nicole in this like she had taken two voice 417 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: lessons before this movie and a famously, I mean the 418 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: moment that she gets lowered from the ceiling, my something shifted. 419 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: My world was forever altered. Oh, we also have to 420 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: say Nicole Kidman is redhead culture culture. Um, I would 421 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: say that of the times that I have dyed my 422 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: hair red have been directly inspired by Nicole Kidman. Like 423 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: it's either it's October and I'm watching Practical Magic and 424 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: I am calling my stylist or running to Target to 425 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: get a box die, or like I'm watching Mulan Rouge 426 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: or you know, thing back in the days when Nicole 427 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: was a redhead, because you know, we are now living 428 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: in Nicole's blonde era. And I think Mulan Rouge specifically 429 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: was a movie that set the tone for what the 430 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: rest of Nicole's career would be because obviously that wasn't 431 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: her breakout role by any means, but it was a 432 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: role that put her on the map. And I think 433 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: she was nominated. I think it was when she became 434 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: a movie star. Because the Nicole was nominated for Best 435 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: Actress of the Oscars in two thousand two. She did 436 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: not win, but I would say that that was the 437 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: film that catapulted her to a list superstardom. She had 438 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: already been swirling in that space. But I think up 439 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: until then it was largely because of her proximity to 440 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise. And I do think that this transition into 441 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: her being an a List actress kind of was the 442 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: end of their marriage. Um oh, I didn't know that. 443 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: I think I think he did kind of resent her stardom, 444 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: like starting to be level with or even eclipse his 445 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: um and we all know that Tom Cruise is like 446 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: a deeply insecure scientologist. Yes, and we oh, and Nicole's okay. 447 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: So she was nominated for mulan Rugi in two thousand one, 448 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: lost to Halle Berry who won for Monster's Ball, but 449 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: she won the next year for The Hours. Wow, Okay, 450 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: that'sund surprising to me. And that was the beginning of 451 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: her which I and I actually think that it should 452 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: have been swapped because she should have won for mulan 453 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: Rugi in two thousand one and then Renee's Alwigger should 454 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: have won for Chicago the next year. All the thing is, well, 455 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: the thing is, I mean we needed that. How I 456 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: think the halle Berry win is so Academy Academy iconography. Well, 457 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: I mean she was the first black woman to win 458 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: Best Actress in addition to being that is horrible. I 459 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: actually have never seen it. But but also, like the 460 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: thing about oscars is is it's about the speeches. It's 461 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: not about the awards. It's about the speeches. And Hallie's 462 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: speech is the reason that the orchestra plays you off. 463 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: Now did you know that? Because how Hallie's speech was 464 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: so so long that I think that it went like 465 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: way over time and they have to you know, they're 466 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: they're charged on all these fees or whatever, and that 467 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: the Academy I think the next year created a rule 468 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: around speech times. And now the orchestra plays you off 469 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: because of Hallie, which I think is iconic. Um Okay, 470 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: So Mulin Rouge was huge. The hours for me, I 471 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: think really hit my like collegiate like nerd points, you 472 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: know all of them. It's very it's it's a very quintessential. 473 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: Like I would say, especially gay men are obsessed with 474 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: the Hours, and not just gay men literary like kind 475 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: of Brooklyn esque gay fags, especially ones who were into theater. Yeah, 476 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: and ones that read like a little life ye god 477 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: um yeah, But I mean, I what do you remember 478 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: about the Hours, Like when you first watched Nicole's No 479 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: obviously Nicole's Meryl carrying the flowers Nicole iconic style. I 480 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: bought the flowers herself, Yeah, Nicole walking into the river 481 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: with stones in her pocket. Yeah, I don't. I don't 482 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: remember much about the Hours. I think it's more of 483 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: like a mood piece for me. I remember love Virginia Wolf, 484 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: though I was going to say I was really at 485 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: the at the time, or maybe honestly because of the Hours. 486 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: I remember becoming really obsessed with Virginia Wolf when I 487 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: was in the UK for abroad, and I remember reading 488 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: Virginia wolves like diaries, which I do not recommend their 489 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: dark the dark Dark. I do recommend her poetry though, yes, 490 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: you collected poems of Virginia Wolf's great stunning. But I 491 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: remember like walking around London with like Virginia Wolf slash 492 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman's voice in my head, like thinking, because you 493 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: don't picture Virginia picture Nicole, and I think, honestly that 494 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: is the mark of a of a very stunning biopic, 495 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: kind of like lavin anal, where it's like I no 496 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: longer think about the original, the actual person, I think 497 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: about how iconic this portrayal was, and you know what, 498 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: I actually think, it's like, I'm glad that the that 499 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: the like cultural portrayal we have a Virginia Wolf is 500 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: not a biopic that's just about Virginia Wolf, because that 501 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: would be like too much of a bummer, And it's 502 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: good that it's in this story that is about a 503 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: couple of different women, so you're not like overwhelmed by 504 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: the depression that was Virginia Wolf's life. Have you ever 505 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: read Orlando? Um? No, I haven't, but it's very trans 506 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: It's very trans and I've I've read it, but I've 507 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: never seen the movie starting Untilda Swinton and like, maybe 508 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: we should watch that. I've heard it's not bad. I know, 509 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: I've heard it's it's supposed to be incredible. I'm not 510 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,719 Speaker 1: really as much of a till to stand as as 511 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: other people. I'm a I'm a Tiltonista all denista, but 512 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: you know what is it actually when I I like 513 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: you know when we looked over when you when I say, like, 514 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, uh, Mulan Rouge was the beginning of a 515 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: type of woman that Nicole would play. It really is 516 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: depressed women like depressed, but sexy, depressed, sexy, introspective because 517 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: even negretive, even in practical magic, that's her type. Yes, 518 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: she is the you know, she is a victim of 519 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: domestic abuse um and sexual violence who you know murders 520 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: her boyfriend. Um. But she's still like the sex pot. Yeah, 521 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: she's a sex pot. And I think that I think 522 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: that Nicole kicks the redhead thing. Yes it is. It 523 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: is absolutely the red head archetype. It's also her voice 524 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: is a replicable like she she really I think she 525 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: hang onto her husband's girls and I think she has 526 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: I think she when she reads a script because she 527 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: really is a sinophile like and when she reads a script. No, 528 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: I've seen the mc nicole Nicole get mentioned like teacher 529 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: film studies. I would love that. But when when you 530 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: when she reads a script, you can tell that she's 531 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: attracted to a certain kind of woman that's holding onto 532 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: something feels good, feels good in a place like this. 533 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: The script that she wrote, she wrote the script, she directed, 534 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: she produced. She was the big boy, she was the 535 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: grip um. Anyways, Uh, Stepford Wives, Oh my god that 536 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: I love Stepford Wives. It's like not a great movie, 537 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: but I think it performed. I think at the time 538 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: it was critically a lambastad because it's very different from 539 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: the source material. It was directed by Frank Oz who 540 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: he was like the muppets. He did all the voices 541 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: of a lot of them. He did the voice of Yoda. 542 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: I believe um end the end and like the original 543 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: short story that The Stafford Wives that is based off 544 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: of is very much like a thriller horror. It has 545 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: a very bleak ending, and the Stafford Wives remake is 546 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: not to that at all. And it's a comedy. It's 547 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: an amazing remake. It's amazing. It's so fun, and I 548 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: think it is. I don't know that I would call 549 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: it like a cult classic because I don't think it's 550 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: been like reclaimed or like is beloved in a different 551 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: way than how it was initially received. But I really 552 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: liked it when it came out. I think it's super fun. 553 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman's performance in it as like the executive who 554 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: has like a mental breakdown the two different cells. The 555 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: two different cells is I think really good and like 556 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: Bet Midler is so great close is so good. In 557 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: it is Tony Christopher Walkin. There's another woman in the movie. 558 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: I can it's Bett Midler, the guy fay Faye. Oh yeah. 559 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: Faith Hill is one of the steps. Okay, that's crazy, um, 560 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's the other thing. Is like Faith Hill 561 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: who is part of Nicole Kidman Cannon because her song 562 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: this Kiss is prominently featured in Practical Magic. It is 563 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: the soundtracks lab the soundtrack and Prattrack Magic is one 564 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: of the best soundtracks ever created. But her song um 565 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: this kiss or maybe it's just kiss um is in 566 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: the scene where Sally like is spell abound to meeting 567 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: her husband who dies. Yeah, and you know it's so 568 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: crazy now because you and I like jotted down like 569 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: some some of Nicole Kiman's things that we wanted to 570 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: talk about and like down the line between Practical Magic 571 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: the hours of Stepford Wives, like the Big Guils boy erased. 572 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: It's like all these like dark these like dark dark 573 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: dark kind of like women. And I think that Stepford 574 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: Wives is the kind of cartoonishness that comes out of 575 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: that is something that Nicole Kidman still loves to do. 576 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: And I think the um when I think about when 577 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: she's kind of having fun in something like maybe, I 578 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: don't know nine. Did you watch nine? Never seen nine? Really? Yeah, 579 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: you've never seen Fergie? Do? Do you know? Do you know? 580 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: Like what? Okay, so yeah, I know that, Yes I do. 581 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: She's like an old Italian whore. She's an old Italian 582 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: hooker that I guess has sex with like a like 583 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: a nine year old with a young Fellini, a young Felini. Yeah, 584 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean I actually don't. I didn't really see the 585 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: movies about Felini. Yeah. Wow, that actually that isn't that 586 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: is all a listers that movie, Kate Hudson, Kate Hudson, 587 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: Nicole Kinman, Penelope Cruise. Maybe I should watch it. It's 588 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: it's a notoriously terrible film, Okay, but we should watch 589 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 1: because it's because it's part of the like post post 590 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: Mulan Rouge and Chicago like it was trying to be 591 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: of movie musicals that happened for a couple of years 592 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: and that like we're still kind of trying to make 593 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: happen and it's still really not working and Nicole Kidman 594 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: has been in a few of let Me Tell You 595 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: It was post Happy for You, another Nicole vehicle, and 596 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: another movie where she sings never seen Happy Feet. She 597 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: sings good. She has a great voice. I loved her 598 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: in the prom I loved give It some sas. I 599 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: loved her in the undoing opening credits. My God, who 600 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: made her do that? She I don't think anyone made 601 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: her do that. I think she said, you know, you 602 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 1: know what we would be great? She said, R and R. 603 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: We don't have We don't have a theme song yet. 604 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: You know what? You know? Its song I love? Is 605 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: that one song you ever heard? That cop and this 606 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: song is your favorite song? Insane Karen saying that she 607 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: sings that theme song and you the thing. The reason 608 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: it's insane is because there's a suspended tension in that 609 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: show that is I think really well done, even though 610 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: the show is not, has a terrible ending that you 611 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: think is going to pay off and have something to 612 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: do with the credits. You're you when you watch the 613 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: opening credits, you're like, this is so so Arendom that 614 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: you're like, this has to have some sort of meaning 615 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the show, and at no point 616 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: does it ever know nothing, there's there's absolutely there's absolutely 617 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: zero reason for the thing the for Nicle getting into 618 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: saying dream a little dream of me. It makes no 619 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: sense whatsoever away from them because I know I'm being hysterical, 620 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: but there's no reason for it to happen. And like, 621 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: just like much of what's in that show, there's like 622 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: the weird like lesbian kiss in the first episode. Yeah, 623 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 1: Phoebe is losing it in the booth because that lesbian 624 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: kiss was like I wouldn't want to say gay baby 625 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: because everyone calls everything gay baby, but I feel like 626 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: the what did I have to do with anything? Um? Anyway, 627 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: but it was it was I think it was more 628 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: a red herring. I think it was very intentionally a 629 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: red herring and not gay baiting. Just red Yeah, yeah, 630 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: exactly of Swedish fish. But um, it's it. But I 631 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 1: think actually Nicole Kidman singing the credits is emblematic of 632 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: this thing that she does, which is like a choice, 633 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: a choice. She makes a lot of choices. It's like 634 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in this AMC commercial, I'm going to 635 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: be in Happy Feed, I'm going to do this like 636 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: kind of whack Adoodle glad real character in Nine Perfect Strangers. 637 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to be Alexander scars Guard's mom and the 638 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 1: Northman after I played as a wife in Big Little Eyes. 639 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, which is kind of hot. It is hot, 640 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: it is hot. And let me tell you her mom, mommy, mommy, 641 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: I haven't seen Aquaman. You said she has a good 642 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: fight for she does for the coin. I mean the 643 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: same thing that's happy feed. It's like you did that 644 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: for the coin. I also wonder if some of it 645 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: is about her legacy and like, you know, she's making 646 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: movies in every quadrant, you know, in the way that 647 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: we think about film, like for she's making movies for 648 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: every kind of audience. She wants to be a star forever, 649 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: not even wants to be She is the quintessential star 650 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: and the quintessential actress, like both. I think, like in 651 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: the pantheon of people like really it's the big Little 652 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: Lies girlies like Nicole Kidman is Meryl level. Yeah, she 653 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: has Merrill level, and I think you know, um, she 654 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: and her team take pride in her range. You know, 655 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: even if she is playing a lot of the same women, 656 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: it's still the the rain and that is not to 657 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: say she doesn't get it wrong. Sometimes she's been in 658 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: some big mega flop Doudocacas, What Bewitched, the Bewitched Dream, 659 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: But she started with Will Ferrell, which I did used 660 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: to own on DVD and I would watch a lot 661 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:16,439 Speaker 1: and christ and China was in it too. What we're 662 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: talking about right now is the kid Massans, you know, 663 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: isn't an, but like she did kind of go away 664 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: for a while, or at least she had a period 665 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: where she was not making the like caliber projects that 666 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: she is now, certainly not at the volume and like 667 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:39,760 Speaker 1: rapidity that she is now. I would say, like the Mids, 668 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: she she was kind of gone for a while. And 669 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: I think and Big Little Lies was definitely the return, 670 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. I mean, I 671 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like it might be a little um, 672 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: I think it might be a little flattening to call 673 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: it a return per se, but it definitely did change 674 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: her cultural reception. Well, it was also a different medium. 675 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: It was the first time she had done TV, and 676 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: I do think I think you might have said before, 677 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 1: maybe even before we started recording, Big Little Lies is 678 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: the thing that has ushered in this era of prestige 679 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 1: prestige TV of movie stars, Oscar winners doing these prestige 680 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: projects like for the first time, for the first time 681 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 1: Big Little Eyes, was it? Yeah? Was it? And I 682 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: think that I it's interesting to now watch her for 683 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,720 Speaker 1: ray into more miniseries like the undoing Nine Perfect Strangers, 684 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: this upcoming show roar that we're gonna watch like it. 685 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: I think that that is like, um, you know, it's 686 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 1: it's a lot of it's more risks, it's more mrs. 687 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: Like you didn't watch Nine Perfect Strangers. But like the 688 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 1: top line, like she plays a wellness retreat kind of 689 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: cult leader that non consensually drugs all of the people 690 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,439 Speaker 1: that have like come to this like retreat or whatever. Yeah, 691 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: and like you know, unfortunate, um tonally, the the show 692 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: doesn't really know where it's at all. Nine of these 693 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: strangers are kind of in different shows. Like I think 694 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: that Melissa McCarthy, who I think kind of gives the 695 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: best performance in the show, maybe better than Nicole's in 696 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: my opinion, um is in a different show than Nicole 697 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: is in a different show than that one guy from 698 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,399 Speaker 1: Will and Grace is who I think is also very good, 699 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: but in a different show. They're all totally in different shows, 700 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: and I think that kind of convolutes what they're trying 701 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: to do. And I think it's actually remarkable that they're 702 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: getting a second season. But it must be a Nicole thing. Anyways, 703 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: Nicole wears this gladril ass wig that does not get 704 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 1: wet properly, and yet she is constantly wet in this 705 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: TV show in pools, in bodies of water, come emerging 706 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: out of it with this wet, escaladrial wig that looks 707 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: bad whin wet, but it's like, you are get a 708 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: better wig. The story of Nicole Kidman is the story 709 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: of Way, and it's a It's a very strange story 710 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: because there was a press conference for the film Destroyer 711 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: in which Nicole Kiman was a very strange wig and 712 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: a journalist, and I think, I don't like the way 713 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: this is framed. I'm reading it on the Daily Mail. 714 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: But um, the journalist, I think, wanted to ask her, 715 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: like a fun question to rank her favorite wigs, and 716 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: Nicole Kiman refused to answer it and says she was 717 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: shutting it down. If you're in a press conference and 718 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: you're a journalist, especially a young journalist, don't do a 719 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: fucking fun question. I'm sorry, don't know. But also if 720 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,800 Speaker 1: your celebrity and you've it's like I think she I 721 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: don't and and listen, I don't think this is a 722 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: question that would be asked to a mail no celebrity, 723 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: And I'm sure that's part of what's like sensitive about 724 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: it for her, And like, of course this has sparked 725 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: all these crazy theories about Nicole Kiman being bald or whatever, 726 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,800 Speaker 1: and I don't think that's true. I think that just 727 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: like a lot of actresses, a lot of pop stars, 728 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 1: like it's just so much easier to wear a wig 729 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: for a project than to like put your hair through 730 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: the trauma of being styled and died in all of 731 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 1: these things. But I think like she just didn't want 732 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: to talk about it, and like I guess she shouldn't 733 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 1: have to, but also like she shouldn't have treated it 734 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: like he was coming for her, like it's just someone 735 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,879 Speaker 1: trying to get like a fun click baity article out 736 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: of that kind of interview. But here's the thing, that's 737 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 1: what that's what I said, is like when when I 738 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: say don't ask the fun question in a press conference, 739 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: I mean a press conference, Like it's like a public 740 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: platform in front of an audience, to me, is not 741 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: the place to do that. A junket or a one 742 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: on one interview is when you do those like kind 743 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: of fun, big maybe big swing questions and I don't 744 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: always work out. Well, That's what I was gonna say 745 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: is I actually didn't know that prerecord. I didn't know 746 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: that story about the wig the wig question. And I 747 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: said to you, I said, Rose in a in an 748 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: alternate life, you were kicked out. I absolutely was the 749 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,759 Speaker 1: one who asked that question, because you and I have 750 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 1: before brainstormed an article out about Nicole Kidman's wigs, like 751 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,280 Speaker 1: we've we've already we've talked about doing something. There's definitely 752 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: like some kind of buzz feed list ranking Nicole kid 753 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 1: there's probably an out dot com article with your name 754 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: on it. Probably don't look it up, virgins, please do 755 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: that search for it. But yeah, but what is your 756 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: favorite Nicole Kidman wig? Though? I mean the Mulan Rouge 757 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: hair is cannon, but I think that's her hair. But 758 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 1: I I think that's her. That's still the era where 759 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: it was her hair, plus lots of extensions. Really yeah, really, 760 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,840 Speaker 1: I think so we have to look that up that 761 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: should be fact checked. I think is boy erased. I 762 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,879 Speaker 1: think I love her Southern like comfort mom. I can't 763 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 1: believe you've watched boy or Race, But also I can 764 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: because I'm sure some article I've so gared. Conley is 765 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 1: like a friend of mine, and so I really like 766 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: the Everything about that film was very exciting to watch 767 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: his life put on screen. Is like, was absolutely surreal experience. 768 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, Nicole Kidman is playing your mom. 769 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 1: But something that I feel like is very telling about um, 770 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: the staying power of Nicole is behind the scenes. I've 771 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,839 Speaker 1: never heard a bad story about her. Everyone loves working 772 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: everyone loves working with her. He has told me so 773 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,839 Speaker 1: many stories about how she got to know his mom 774 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: in a really deep way and how that just doesn't 775 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 1: always happen. You know Allah Gaga in um you know 776 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 1: House of Gucci, which, like Gaga is also an ad 777 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 1: actress where I will see everything she will ever be 778 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: in time, even though she doesn't have you know, the 779 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,399 Speaker 1: catalog yet. Um. But yeah, I think that there's something 780 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 1: about how you know Nicole Kim and can find empathy 781 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,760 Speaker 1: in a lot of different people that we might otherwise 782 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,760 Speaker 1: render a monster. You know, a woman who is beholden 783 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: to a very homophobic Baptist husband has a lot of 784 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,720 Speaker 1: complicity that is really ugly and it's not a character 785 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 1: you really want to empathize with. And yet Nicole Kidman 786 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 1: saw that and knew where the humanity was. And so 787 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: for Nicole Kiman to play you know, a murderer in 788 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: The Beguiled, or to play you know, um you know 789 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: other times or like The Guild is so good. I 790 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: didn't see it when it first came out, and I 791 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: only watched it like somewhat recently. I think maybe sometime 792 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,800 Speaker 1: last year. It's so fun and it has it is 793 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: stacked with the girls, it's Nicole Kiki, um l Fanning. 794 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: It's just like it's basically virgin suicides like on a 795 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,839 Speaker 1: planet because it's Sofia Coppola. Oh it is so it's 796 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 1: literally that. So anyways, um uh nine Pervic Strangers, I 797 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,879 Speaker 1: think is like that kind of matriarch like get the hatch, 798 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 1: Like I mean, what it doesn't you have like a 799 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 1: Southern genteel accent and that, But what does she say 800 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: something about go get the hatchet? It's the trailer became 801 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,720 Speaker 1: to cut Colin Farrell's leg off. Oh, is that what happens? 802 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: But she I think this is spoiler alert. I think 803 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,840 Speaker 1: what happens is his leg doesn't actually need to be 804 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,920 Speaker 1: cut off, but because he hit on two of her daughters, 805 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: she was like, fuck this, because he's like he like 806 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: comes to their houses during the Civil War and he 807 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 1: like strikes up a romance with Kirsten Dunce. But then 808 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,720 Speaker 1: Fox Alfanic yes, and he needs help. He's like basically 809 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: seeking refuge at this plantation home and so they take him, 810 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, into their under their care, and he takes 811 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: advantage of that by becoming kind of a predator, and 812 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,839 Speaker 1: so Nicole Kinman chops his leg off, which is which 813 00:47:47,880 --> 00:48:04,760 Speaker 1: is iconic. I do think we should like dive into 814 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: Big Little Lies because I think Big Little Lies is 815 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 1: the thing that has most re contextualized Nicole for the 816 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 1: current moment and probably where probably like gen Z knows 817 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 1: her from the most um and I do think it 818 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: is it's hard to say like this is Nicole Kidman's 819 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 1: best work or among her best work, but it really is. 820 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 1: It is, and it also like set the press, I mean, 821 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 1: as we were saying, like the golden age of of 822 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,800 Speaker 1: of prestige TV, and I think it's like signaled to 823 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 1: all these A list actors that they could go do 824 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: a mini series, win a bunch of awards, and then 825 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,000 Speaker 1: like I don't know, maybe like get up there, you 826 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 1: know whatever they're like there you know rate is or 827 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,800 Speaker 1: like the spawn con that they get to do or whatever. 828 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of, like what there is to 829 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: add to a conversation of Big Little Lies. You know 830 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: it hasn't already been talked about because yeah, but for me, 831 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,479 Speaker 1: like the thing is, like I this is the reason 832 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,279 Speaker 1: I love Nancy Myers movies, but my favorite favorite thing 833 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,200 Speaker 1: that I will always watch is a show or movie 834 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,839 Speaker 1: about wealthy white women in a moment of emotional crisis. Well, 835 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,320 Speaker 1: it was very weird to see Nicole play a victim 836 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of her films she has 837 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,359 Speaker 1: really stood in a place of strength um and has 838 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,400 Speaker 1: been the heroine UM And like you know, she is 839 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,120 Speaker 1: in a way in Big Little Eyes, and I think 840 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,840 Speaker 1: in season two you get to see her take a 841 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,680 Speaker 1: lot more agency for herself, and like, you know, Season 842 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 1: two I think is very polarizing because a lot of 843 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 1: us kind of wished that it didn't happen because of 844 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: how perfect Season one was, but then like, who's going 845 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: to say no to more? And I think it's funny 846 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 1: because as we've established that her kind of typecasting is um, dark, depressed, sexpot, 847 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 1: big little lies, is the um kind of like you 848 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,319 Speaker 1: know and obstillation of that, and I think that, um 849 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,320 Speaker 1: one of the most interesting parts of the show to 850 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:12,360 Speaker 1: me was the murkiness in how Nicole Kidman was into 851 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,400 Speaker 1: elements of their relationship that were abusive and that obviously 852 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,879 Speaker 1: it became not you know, sexual after a certain point, 853 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,400 Speaker 1: but in the beginning, you see the way that Nicole 854 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: provokes him because she is turned on by the fame, 855 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,680 Speaker 1: and that's why it's so messy and and like I think, 856 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: you know, like I don't want to speak for you know, 857 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: victims of domestic abuse, but I'm sure that like for 858 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people who you know are like a 859 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 1: bit more massochistic, and like, I'm sure there are people 860 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,760 Speaker 1: where those lines on their own relationships are very blurry, 861 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,319 Speaker 1: and I don't think that that is something we had 862 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,759 Speaker 1: seen portrayed by that way, And like, I don't think 863 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,640 Speaker 1: there's something about Nicole Kidman being the one to do it, 864 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,879 Speaker 1: like seeing that kind of like violence being enacted upon 865 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 1: her and also her engaging in that violence herself, because 866 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: there are times early in that season where she's the 867 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,400 Speaker 1: one who provokes him or at least like it's very 868 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,920 Speaker 1: complicit in like the beginning of their violent interaction, and 869 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,759 Speaker 1: then he escalates it to another level. Yeah, And like 870 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,279 Speaker 1: the thing about this cast as well as like no 871 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,960 Speaker 1: one else could play I mean Shale Woodley, like a 872 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: lot of people can play, but three, it's like no one. 873 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 1: Like the only other person that I think can do 874 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,960 Speaker 1: a version of what Nicole does in these roles is 875 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,920 Speaker 1: maybe like a Glenn Close. But Glenn is not a 876 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,759 Speaker 1: sexpot anymore, and she doesn't have an oscar. Yeah, she will, 877 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,200 Speaker 1: she will. She I really think she will. I really 878 00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 1: think she will. She she deserves and if not, she'll get, 879 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, a lifetime achievement oscar. You know, I think 880 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,160 Speaker 1: that would be Yeah, but a lot of greats have 881 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: got have never gotten award and got like a life. Yeah. 882 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,800 Speaker 1: But like the the story, worry around Glenn not getting 883 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,880 Speaker 1: it is so much different than for everybody or losing 884 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,359 Speaker 1: to share and then Gaga. I wish she didn't lose 885 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 1: to Gaga. She but she probably was outright. Um, Okay, 886 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,400 Speaker 1: I haven't seen Being the Ricardos because Nicole being in 887 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,799 Speaker 1: Being the Ricardos and being Lucy was such a meme 888 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,200 Speaker 1: before the movie came out, and the whole conversation around 889 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,040 Speaker 1: it was how miscast she was, how she was too 890 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 1: old to play her, like all this stuff. You know. 891 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,239 Speaker 1: There was that first photo of her in the wig 892 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: that everyone laughed at. It was hilarious. And then the 893 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,919 Speaker 1: movie came out and the only things I heard about 894 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,319 Speaker 1: it were how good she was she But I will 895 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 1: never watch it. Um, I don't. I don't think it's 896 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,560 Speaker 1: an amazing movie. I think that, Um. I mean, I 897 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: think Aaron Stark is like an an infantesimal like man baby, 898 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,440 Speaker 1: like he just doesn't I don't know, I just like 899 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,200 Speaker 1: don't appreciate like a lot of his writing. And I 900 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,880 Speaker 1: think that this movie specifically is very indulgent in what 901 00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,279 Speaker 1: it invents, Like it feels like fan and fiction. Um, 902 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,960 Speaker 1: but it's still a very interesting um portrayal of basically, 903 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:10,560 Speaker 1: Lucy old Ball is this shrewd, egomaniacal businesswoman who has 904 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: an O C D level to attention that kind of 905 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,360 Speaker 1: overworks everyone else, and that and she's kind of a genius, 906 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,759 Speaker 1: Like she's a comedic salant, and I think Nicole does 907 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,440 Speaker 1: that very well. And I also think that role specifically 908 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,920 Speaker 1: is actually very different from a lot of other roles 909 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,120 Speaker 1: she played, because not often is Nicole mean in movies. 910 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,160 Speaker 1: She's usually dark and depressed, but not as much mean, 911 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,800 Speaker 1: And in in this she is kind of cruel. You 912 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,480 Speaker 1: know what movie she was mean and that we did 913 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,480 Speaker 1: gloss over, which I mean, I'm not surprised about The 914 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,160 Speaker 1: Golden Compass. Did you ever see that? Know? But I 915 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 1: heard the book slap because they're about like the destruction 916 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,560 Speaker 1: of God. Yeah, there was. There was a very badly 917 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,919 Speaker 1: received kind of flop adaptation of this Philip Pullman book series. 918 00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,520 Speaker 1: The Golden Compass was that first HBO. No no, no, 919 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,400 Speaker 1: So there has been in recent years a new adaptation 920 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,440 Speaker 1: of it that's a TV series, which also flopped. No, 921 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,120 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's pretty I watched a 922 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 1: couple episodes of the first season and I thought it 923 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 1: was pretty good, but I lost interest. But the movie 924 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,840 Speaker 1: that came out in the early adds, it was definitely 925 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,400 Speaker 1: while I was in high school, because I remember going 926 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,520 Speaker 1: to see it like after school one day or maybe 927 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,320 Speaker 1: I skipped class and saw it, um and she's the 928 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,919 Speaker 1: villain in it, and she is like the best part 929 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,839 Speaker 1: of the movie. She's so mean and like glamorous, which 930 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,080 Speaker 1: I think is like a very good sweet spot. It 931 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,080 Speaker 1: is a good sweet spot for her. Um with with 932 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,920 Speaker 1: being the Ricardo's, I think the meanness like works like 933 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,400 Speaker 1: it's it's it's you can't stop watching it. But that's 934 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,080 Speaker 1: kind of a Nicole thing. Like anytime she's on screen, 935 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,040 Speaker 1: you're so entrance. She has so much fucking charisma, uniqueness, 936 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,759 Speaker 1: nerve and talent. Period. When is she going to guest 937 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,880 Speaker 1: judge on drag Race? We do Night of at that 938 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,120 Speaker 1: was in Nicole, that would be me. I mean they 939 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 1: already did this move on Rouge spoof on this season, 940 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,279 Speaker 1: which was such they should have gotten like a call 941 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,480 Speaker 1: in message from her, Yeah, they should have. If I 942 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,279 Speaker 1: could give my quick take on being the Ricardo's, I 943 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: think you would hate it. But at the end of 944 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,080 Speaker 1: the day, like they're like Javier bread M and Nicole 945 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,320 Speaker 1: Kimmen are just like kind of hot. They just have 946 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,920 Speaker 1: hot energy, and I think that that that it just 947 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,360 Speaker 1: like lends itself. Sometimes I think about the fact that 948 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 1: Javier Bardem is married to Penelope Crews, and I just 949 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:34,360 Speaker 1: like spontaneously Climax does Nicole like exclusively, like just like 950 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,440 Speaker 1: work with hot prestige actors, Like why wouldn't she She 951 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,480 Speaker 1: in Destroyer, which is like not a good movie and 952 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,279 Speaker 1: she looks so disgusting in it. Her love interest is 953 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,680 Speaker 1: Sebastian stand Oh my god. Yeah. You know this brings 954 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,800 Speaker 1: us to the current day of Nicole, which is you know, 955 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,560 Speaker 1: I think it's like the thing that she's currently the 956 00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,959 Speaker 1: most famous and beloved for. I don't know if we're 957 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,520 Speaker 1: kind of saying, but it is certainly a transcendent cultural object. 958 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:08,439 Speaker 1: It's just amazing them how saturated she is in pop 959 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,680 Speaker 1: culture that she can at the same time be doing 960 00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:18,120 Speaker 1: an Oscar campaign, um, doing a like a twenty four 961 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,520 Speaker 1: movie that in which she co stars with Bjork and 962 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,320 Speaker 1: also be introducing literally every movie at every AMC theater, 963 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,280 Speaker 1: um in an ad that like gay people chant along 964 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,000 Speaker 1: to y and that that is the that is the 965 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:40,880 Speaker 1: like totality of Nicole Kidman and how prevalent she is 966 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,959 Speaker 1: on pop culture and like she is a true icon. Yeah, 967 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,600 Speaker 1: and you know I earlier said that, you know, she 968 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 1: is both a star and an actress. But I actually 969 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,200 Speaker 1: do think she's just an actress because she's no, she's 970 00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,239 Speaker 1: a star. But I'm saying that star quality requires a 971 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:04,200 Speaker 1: lot of off camera shenanigans. And she is she quiet, no, no, no, 972 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,480 Speaker 1: no no, she's a very she's very active on Instagram 973 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,040 Speaker 1: what yes, she posts like, oh my god, I don't 974 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,560 Speaker 1: follow her. She posts daily what she does like, she 975 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,000 Speaker 1: does like every She's the kind of person who would 976 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,520 Speaker 1: do like an alpha the Sheelf challenge Instagram. Her social 977 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:30,840 Speaker 1: media manager is working over time. I don't really Yeah, 978 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 1: theybe she is. She is over she's doing all the 979 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,320 Speaker 1: talk show appearances. She is, but she's in her account 980 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,439 Speaker 1: like someone else's. There's nothing about this that. Of course 981 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,480 Speaker 1: she doesn't. She's never open. Someone is running it for her. 982 00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,520 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is like I heye accounts like 983 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:56,160 Speaker 1: she is a movie star. We love it when you 984 00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,680 Speaker 1: slide into our dms and tell us like what you 985 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,680 Speaker 1: want us to watch? And of course you can call 986 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,200 Speaker 1: to confess at three to three penance that's three to 987 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,240 Speaker 1: three seven three six two three to six. Leave us 988 00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,919 Speaker 1: a review on Apple podcasts. We love to see them. 989 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm your co host Rose Damn You. You can find 990 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,800 Speaker 1: me anywhere on social media at Rose Damn You and 991 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm Friends Squish Coo. You can find me anywhere on 992 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,320 Speaker 1: social media as well. You can subscribe to Like a 993 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,280 Speaker 1: Virgin anywhere you listen to podcasts, leave us a review 994 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,960 Speaker 1: on Apple Podcast or rating on Spotify. Like a Virgin 995 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,960 Speaker 1: is an I Heart Radio production. 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