1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. T J. 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: Bucky back with you. Buck. How you doing, ma'am man, 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. D J likes um. We had 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: a good little football weekend. I think the NFL is crazy. 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: You never know on a week week basis who is 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: going to be on top. And I think this is 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: exactly what the league wanted. And a seller kept air 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: with four teen playoff bursts and everything like you have 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: to tune in each and every week because you just 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen, and so that stuff 12 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: is great. And in college football is bananas. Like we 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: talked about guys all the time like jobs and hey, 14 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: I you just take a college job or whatever. But 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: I think college is just as volatile as pros and 16 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: so um, it'll be good to have on our guests 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: Brian Kelly, University of Notre Dame to kind of talk 18 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: about uh, leadership, team building and all of that other 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: stuff because I think now more than ever, at both levels, 20 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: you better be able to build a team because if 21 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: you're not, if you can't built up a team, you 22 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: have no chance to stay at a job for a 23 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: long time. Yeah. I think this is about the maybe 24 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: the fifth or sixth time we've had coach Kelly on 25 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: and he is always outstanding. So look forward to that 26 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: conversation coming up here in just a few minutes. Before 27 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: we get to that, I want to get your thoughts, um, 28 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: what you saw last night with the Rams and the 29 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: Niners A couple of different things. Man, it's already this 30 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: conversation when it comes to Odell Beckham Jr. So we'll 31 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: start with Odell Beckham Jr. And what took place one Uh, 32 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: Robert was popping his knee, blowing a a cl kind 33 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: of change Odell Beckham Jr's immediate role with the team. 34 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: So rather than coming in maybe serving as as an 35 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: apprentice to kind of understand the way of the offense, 36 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: they now needed him to go and play and play significantly. Uh. 37 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: First drive for the Rams, Matthew Stafford forces a pass 38 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: down the field that I don't know where the ball 39 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: was going. Odell Beckham Junior was the closest receiver. It 40 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: was just a bad throw. And you know, Odell was 41 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: used as a decoy for most night. He had two 42 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: catchers for I think eighteen yards and um, they tried 43 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: to get it to him, but for the most part, man, 44 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: he was just kind of a decoy. Uh. They didn't 45 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: have any rhythm in those things. But I think the 46 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: biggest story coming out of it, Man, the Rams are 47 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: soft like they are a finesse offense. I mean, I 48 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: can't even say finesse often their finesse team because offensively, 49 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 1: the version of the Rams they went to the Super 50 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: Bowl a few years ago, they were a running team. 51 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: They ran it, they had tied Gurley, they did some 52 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: of the sexy bills and rustles motions and m directions, 53 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, they were a 54 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: running team. This team is not a running team. This 55 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: team is a throw it, through it, throw it team 56 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: and occasionally run it. And I think it has made 57 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: their entire team soft. And you know, DJ like even 58 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: in pro practices when you're not really going ones on 59 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: ones are good on good. Whatever you are on defense, 60 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,839 Speaker 1: typically your defense matches that. So if you're a rough 61 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: and rugged team on offense, your defense have to be 62 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: referen reagor because they face each other all the time. Well, 63 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: when you're finesse, you play finesse. On the defense side 64 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: of the ball. And I think what has happened is 65 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: despite the collection of stars, the Rams are finesse on 66 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. And in each of the 67 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: matches where they played physical teams the Cardinals, Titans and 68 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: forty Niners, when it became a street fight, they backed off. 69 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: They went and retreated into their corner, and they didn't 70 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: punch back. And that's an issue for this team going forward. 71 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: Remember earlier, we had that discussion earlier in the season 72 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: about this whole obsession with uh points over yards, Right, 73 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: don't get caught up in yards, only care about points. 74 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: I think we're seeing and we've seen it the last 75 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: month or so. The other side of that coin, okay, 76 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: because you can look at this game and if you 77 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: just you know, take out the pick six, right, you say, 78 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: the Rams held the forty Niners to four points. Okay, 79 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: it's not a ton of points. Like figure. You know, 80 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: you got a chance to to win that football game. 81 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: You holding twenty four points. Here's the problem. You only 82 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: scored ten points. Obviously, you turn the ball over a 83 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: couple of times, one of which was a pick six. 84 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: Time of possession was thirty nine to one, Like you 85 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: don't possess the football enough to score points. So you 86 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: can go into the locker room and pat yourself on 87 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: the back and say, hey, you know our defense we 88 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: held them to seventeen points. Yeah, but you don't have 89 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: the ball long enough to do anything yourself. And what 90 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: you've done is the team that possesses the ball has 91 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: a rhythm. They stay on the field, They get themselves 92 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: in manageable third downs. They stay on the field. You 93 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: can't get them off the field. Meanwhile, I'm telling you 94 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: the rhythm thing is huge from a quarterback standpoint. You 95 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: sit over there and wait forever like that's great. They 96 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: eventually ended up punning. They evenued ended up kicking a 97 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: field goal. We held them out of the end zone. 98 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: I haven't been on my my cleats, haven't been on 99 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: the grass, and in twenty minutes of real time, like, 100 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: I gotta jump back out there and try and find 101 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: a rhythm. It's not easy, man, It's not easy. D 102 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: DJ and UH we knew it because we used to 103 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: talk about when I played in Kansas City, we've already 104 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: shotten hunman. We talked about sometimes your offense can be 105 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: your best defense when you run it control the clock, 106 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: you shrink the game. What you do is for a 107 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: prolific office. On the other end, it creates a sense 108 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: of panic and anxiety because you don't have the ball, 109 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: you don't have enough plays and possession. Yeah, so it 110 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: puts a lot of pressure on the play caller on 111 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: the thing because you don't have an opportunity to get 112 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: in rhythm. And when the forty nine is can have 113 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: a fifteen sixteen play drive to start and they eat 114 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: up eight minutes, the first quarter is gone and you're 115 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: looking up and I will tell you the worst thing, 116 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: and you noticed from being a quarterback, the worst thing 117 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: is just looking at the clock. Just tick and you're 118 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: on the sideline. And that's what the Niners and some 119 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: of these other physical teams are able to do. The 120 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: other thing that I will point to when you talk 121 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: about you, you're seeing a little change for all of 122 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: the things that we talked about from an analytics standpoint, 123 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: where we're talking about passing the ball that doesn't matter, 124 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: about play action and all the other stuff. I think 125 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: what we're seeing in the last month, we're seeing more 126 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: teams committed to the running game. And what the commitment 127 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: to the running game does is it's not necessarily about 128 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: the yards. It's about the attempts and what the running 129 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: game does to the way the defense has to play. 130 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: Because when you start having success on the ground, and 131 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: I don't care what any defensive coach will tell you, 132 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: the number one thing that as sits in every defensive 133 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: coordinator's room stop the run. And when teams begin to 134 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: have success on the ground, it changes because you're like, man, 135 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: I want to stand this too high, Shelle, I don't 136 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: want to drop the safety down. I don't want to 137 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 1: drop the safety down. But they're just running down the field. 138 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: Safety in the box, put its safety in the box, 139 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: and then they throw it over your head. And so 140 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: it's it's the conundrum that the running game can create, 141 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: and this is why we're seeing more teams do it 142 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: on top of kind of like the macho physicality toughness 143 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: thing that it also does for your team when you're 144 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: able to successfully run the ball. You can answer me 145 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: this because you played on some East Coast teams, because 146 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: I've always been curious about this. I know the teams 147 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: that I worked with, three East Coast teams, and it 148 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: might not have been verbalized, but I know they felt 149 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: it and we felt it in the building. Is there 150 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: a natural assumption on the teams you played for that 151 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: there is a softness on the West Coast when it 152 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: comes to football. Uh, there is some, depending on stop right, 153 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: depending on stylistically how they go about doing their business. Uh, 154 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: the old forty nine is when they're throwing it all 155 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: over the yard and those things. When I was in 156 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: Kansas City, we would play them in rahead. We felt 157 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: like we could beat them up. And some of that 158 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: comes from, you know, it's cold, it's muddy. You kind 159 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: of kind of fancy yourself as a blue collar type team. 160 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: The running game and all of that stuff plays in 161 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: the run, it played defense hardcore. Yeah, there there is 162 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: something to that because DJ, when we really look on 163 00:07:54,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: the West Coast, what teams are really round and pound, rock'em, sock'em, 164 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: hit you in the team all last night? I mean, 165 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: that's that version of the forty Niners we saw last night? 166 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: Is that team? Can you answer me this? How can 167 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: that version of the forty Niners can show up all 168 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: the time? Like why why doesn't I don't know why 169 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: that version doesn't show up all the time. The version 170 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: that does the the sexy sizzle, running game stuff, the 171 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: stuff that we were expecting to see all the time. 172 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: I don't know why that version can show up, because 173 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: if that version shows up, the forty Niners of the 174 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: team that you don't want to face, right because they 175 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: can hit you in waves. Uh Deebo, Samuel Brandon, I 176 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: yuk all those guys being incorporated and involved in the 177 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: running game and in the quick quick passing game. George 178 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: Kittle over the middle of cal you check, I mean 179 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: Eli Mitchell being able to run it. That version of 180 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: the Niners. That's the headache. No one wants to have 181 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: to deal with that. And you saw the rams change 182 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: over the course of the game and having to defend 183 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: that version of the Nights. Um, we'll see if Shanahan 184 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: can stand in his bag and continue to do it. 185 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 1: But when their backs were gainst the wall, I give 186 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: Shanahan credit for he's hearing the noise for the first 187 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: time ever. Um, the offensive genius was being questioned about 188 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: his ability to win games, and I think he delivered 189 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: um a masterbro performance in terms of the way that 190 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: he called plays, in the way they dominated the game. Well, 191 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: I just think the forty Niners, Uh, they just need 192 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: like a an alert, you know, like if you're if 193 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: you're driving in your car and the and the fuel 194 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: light comes on, the gas light comes on, like you're 195 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: running low on gas. Like they need one of those, 196 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: like on the sideline, like oh uh, Garoppolo just threw 197 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: his twenty one passing like we gotta hey, hey, back off, 198 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: we just ran out of passes. Okay, we got no, 199 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: we don't how many passes left today because they are 200 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: a you know, when he's throwing eighteen the twenty two 201 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: to twenty four, that's their sweet spot. Man, it's I 202 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: know the analytics people don't want to hear that UM 203 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: and the numbers passing League. I get all that that's 204 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: not them. That's not their formula. Every team has a 205 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: four formula, so the Chiefs that's not that might not 206 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: be their formula. That's the forty nine formula. That is 207 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: a forty on his formula. Was funny because after the game, 208 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo talked about it felt like that you were 209 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: running to going to the super Bowl. The way that 210 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: the game played out, the way that it was to run. 211 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: It does put some pressure on Jimmy Garoppolo. They have 212 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: to deliver on third down. But a lot of times 213 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: those third downs were third and manageable. Yes, because they 214 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: able to run the ball. They were able to do 215 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: some things. And it wasn't just a three yards in 216 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: a cloud of dust. It was a lot of window addressing, 217 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: a lot of shifts, misdirection, those things to run the 218 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: same place. And once they figured out what the rams 219 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: were having a tough time stopping man, they gave him 220 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: a steady dose over over and over and over again. 221 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: And that's the thing. That's the thing that you want 222 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: to see. And you know, it's funny because there are 223 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: other teams that we see like that. You've seen firsthand 224 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: when the Cleveland Browns played that and they committed to 225 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: playing like that different. That's their formula, as their formult. 226 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: When they try and show off and showcase the quarterback 227 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: and they want to throw it and show everybody they're 228 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: right about how they're going about it, they mess it up. 229 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: But when they are committed to who the brand is 230 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: and what their identity is, yeah, you'd be hard press 231 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: to find teams that can beat them. K y F. 232 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: That should be our little slogan going forward. You know 233 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: your formula, you know who you are know what you 234 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: are and if you lose in that and playing in 235 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: that formula and your formula, you lose, you live with it. Man, 236 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: It's awful to lose when you're not playing like yourself. 237 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: You know you're not doing what you do best. You 238 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 1: know that. That, to me is nothing more frustrating than that. 239 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: Know who you are. You gotta know who you are. 240 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: You gotta know your personnel, you gotta know what you have. 241 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: And I think that's the toughest thing. Like as much 242 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: as a coach as you want to do all these 243 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: things right because we all get the table, we all 244 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: see this stuff. Like, Man, I'd love to add that. 245 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: Play man, we can do this and do that. At 246 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: the end of the day, you're only as good as 247 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: your personnel. You only can do what your personnel can handle. 248 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: So you have to be able to assess your personnel. 249 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: You have to be able to look at the quarterback 250 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: and say this is the best way for us to 251 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: play with number ten. Number ten is a terrific play 252 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: action passer. He has solid managerior skills. Hey, he is 253 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: going to miss some home run throws and we have 254 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: to live with that. But you have to set it 255 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: up enough where We're gonna set up four home runs. 256 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: If he has two of them, we score four teams. 257 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: And you have to be able to live with that. 258 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: And that's what it is. And so you have to 259 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: know your personnel, you have to know your formula. It's 260 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: all those things. And I think when the Niners do 261 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: exactly what they um should do with their personnel, they 262 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: can win. I think the reverse opposite is also true 263 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: for the Rams. The Rams have to figure out who 264 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: they are. I don't know if the Rams know who 265 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: they are because DJ I believe that they're stuck between 266 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: two different things. Their quarterback is at his best playing 267 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: one way, but the team is built to play another way. 268 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: And so how do you mail those two things if 269 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: you're Sean McVeigh. Because they have gone away from the 270 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: play action passing game that they did successfully to become 271 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl team when Jerry Golf was the quarterback 272 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: to spread and shred, spread and shread dropback team. I 273 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: think to play action passes and now right and around 274 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: with Matthew Staff. Well, this offensive line is not a kickstep. 275 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: Hey we're gonna retreating then, I built to do that. 276 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: They're built to pass, block off deception and misdirection, and 277 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: so how can they get back to that to protect 278 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: the offensive line while also giving Matthew Stafford enough to 279 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: be successful. That's the challenge that Sean Nivey has. And 280 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to think that like we are the 281 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: you've got to run the ball forty times a game 282 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: to win in the NFL Podcast of Record here because 283 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: to me, no, your formula. We could go with the 284 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: opposite with the Chargers and say, you've got Justin Herbert, 285 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: You're not aggressively attacking the deep portion of the field. 286 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: That's not who you are. Know who you are, know 287 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: your formula. And for them it's more of an aggressive, attacking, 288 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: vertical passing game. They've gotten away from that a little 289 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: bit and there, and they're losing three of their last 290 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: four games. So to me, everybody has a different one. 291 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: Not everybody has this cookie cutter formula, but to know 292 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: who you are and play to that. And it's funny 293 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: because when I look at the Charges, I do believe that, Ay, look, 294 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: they're not the team that's gonna sticking in the belly 295 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: of Austin Ekeler twenty times, coming downhill and doing those things. However, 296 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: there's a way to utilize him to make him effective. 297 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: There's no reason to me that Austin Ekeler shouldn't have 298 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: six to eight catches out the backfield, screens, swings, delays, 299 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: angle routes. He should be around sixty seven seventy receiving 300 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: yards to add to whatever he has rushing yards, because 301 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: I think you evaluate him with scrimmage yards and if 302 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: he's over a hundred scrimmage yards, then they're able to 303 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: eventually push the ball down the field. Because to me, 304 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: he is the yo yo and debate that you can 305 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: use to create the big plays down the field. He 306 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: just keep checking it down at some point, Yeah, we 307 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: gotta double them. Now we get one on one and 308 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: we take our shots. But you're right, it is about 309 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: knowing your person now, knowing your formula and figuring out, 310 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: hey man, this is the way that we have to win, 311 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: and this is the month. Well you should know that 312 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: November December. You should Hey, the first two months of 313 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: the season, those are preseason games. You're just trying to 314 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: get to the midway point around five, right, and in 315 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: the last half you should make a run. You want 316 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: to go five and three, six and two to close 317 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: it out because you identify the team how you need 318 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: to play, and then you go about playing it that way. 319 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: All right, Um, let's take let's step aside here for 320 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: just a second, and we're gonna come back with our 321 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: conversation with one of the best coaches in all football 322 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: college or the NFL, and that's Notre Dames Brian Kelly. Alright, 323 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: but I'm excited to welcome our friend back in the 324 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: show here, coach Brian Kelly. Coach, First of all, thank 325 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: you so much for taking the time for us today. 326 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: I know you're in the middle of a busy season, 327 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: but I want to ask, first of all, how much 328 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: fun it is to be back to some sort of 329 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: regular football after what we went through last year. Yeah, 330 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: the routines, you know, for us, you know, we're we're 331 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: creatures of ha it and so you know, to get 332 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: back to that kind of routine where you don't have 333 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: you know, five different schedules and testing and all of 334 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: those things. Um, you know that is certainly, you know, 335 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: for us, something that we enjoy. Um. You know, we 336 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: still have to be village in a lot of ways. 337 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: You know, we're wearing mask on the airplanes, were going 338 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: late to our destinations to limit exposure. So there's still 339 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: you've gotta be cognizant of it. But you're absolutely right. 340 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: Getting back to these routines is nice. You know, Coach 341 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: last year, when we talked to you, you said that 342 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: all the stuff around COVID was going to expose which 343 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: programs had real cultures, which programs really had kind of 344 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: the buy in from the players in the connectivity with 345 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: the coaches. Obviously, you guys had a lot of success 346 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: in the midst of the pandemic. What are some of 347 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: the things that you took from what you learned about 348 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: your team and yourself and your coaching staff that has 349 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: helped you continue to have a lot of success going forward. Well, 350 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of this is about 351 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, as we mentioned before, you know what your 352 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: culture is, your standards, you know, and and holding to 353 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: those um But I think at the end of the day, 354 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: it's still player driven, and you know, the choices and 355 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: the decisions they make are are really going to be 356 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: crucial to the to the outcome of your season. If 357 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: these guys are really committed to doing the little things 358 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: right off the field, they make a huge difference and 359 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: what happens, you know, in terms of you know, the 360 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: day to day and your preparation and then ultimately what 361 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 1: happens on on Saturday. So what does that mean, um 362 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: for me recruiting the right young men, um, you know, 363 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: building the program with the you know, obviously the attention 364 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: to detail and and the things necessary to translate that 365 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: to you know, successful and and um, you know, a 366 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: winning culture on a day to day basis coach. One 367 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: of the trademarks of your program since you've been there 368 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: really throughout your whole coaching career, your team, the improvement 369 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: from the beginning of the season to the end of 370 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: the season. I'm curious, are there any markers that you 371 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: have or anything that you keep an eye on to 372 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: see the progress as you're going through the year? Learn 373 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: how to practice the right way and demand that you 374 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: know what you know you can go into the season 375 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: and you know kind of look the other way about 376 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: a guy's practice habits. UM. I think it's really about 377 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, understanding how to prepare UM and then flipping 378 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: that switch into performance. And you know, it's educational for 379 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: a lot of the younger pleasures and sometimes even some 380 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: of the veterans that haven't played a lot. They don't 381 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: really understand that. You know, preparation is one thing, but 382 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: flipping that switch to performances the other. So just teaching 383 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: and educating a net and and keeping that that standard 384 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: across the board that if you don't prepare the right way, UM, 385 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get on the field until you're ready 386 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: to do that. You know, coach, because you're such a veteran, Hey, coach, 387 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm always curious when you see UH teams make 388 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: either radical offense or defensive scheme changes, or they change 389 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: our coordinators. How do you know when it's time to 390 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: make a change for the betterment of the team. Well, 391 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: this is still about players. This is still about relationships. 392 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,239 Speaker 1: This is still about the young men that give us 393 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: a chance to have the jobs that we have. So 394 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: I think it's about when there's a a rooting of 395 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: those relationships between the player and the coach UM. And 396 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: and so you know, when a coach is demanding, I 397 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: have no problem. When he's demeaning, UM, that's an issue. 398 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: And so it's still about relationships. It's still about how 399 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: you can get your players UM to play to the 400 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: best version of themselves and and still have a healthy 401 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: relationship so I think it starts there because when you 402 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: strip it all away, um, we're developing eighteen to twenty 403 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: one year olds, and if you're not doing the right way, uh, 404 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: and you're not getting the right feedback, there's a chance 405 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: that it needs a h to be looked at seriously. 406 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: And it's not it's not generally the scheme you guys know, 407 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: you guys been in football enough, Um, you know everybody's 408 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: running similar stuff. We just uh, we just steal different 409 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: ideas and make them our own. I'm curious to kind 410 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: of carry on that point. I feel like sometimes people 411 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: label coaches, Oh, this is a this is a kind 412 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 1: of a love on your coach, or this is an 413 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: accountability coach. The the great ones find a way to 414 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: kind of thread the needle and do both. Coach, how 415 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 1: do you how do you get that accomplished? Well, you know, 416 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,719 Speaker 1: I think it starts with you know, you do have 417 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: to have contact, and so contact means availability. Um. And 418 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: if you're not available, if you're not with your guys, 419 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: if you're not in the training room, if you're not 420 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: being available to your team, UM, then it's sometimes hard 421 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: to be both. Um. You almost choose to be one 422 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: versus the other. So I think it starts with availability, 423 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: UM contact and if you have act with your team, UM, 424 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: then you can be both. You know, you can be 425 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: that coach that has relationships with his players, has the 426 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: heartbeat of his team, and and then can be UM 427 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, the CEO if you will UM and and 428 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: manage the football program from a bigger picture from thirty 429 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: five thousand feet. You know, coach, you're at a big 430 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: time job. Obviously, the brand of Notre Dame is big. 431 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: It's been big for forever and ever, and there's sometimes 432 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: where coaches may shrink at the opportunity to go to 433 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: a big program and live up to the lofty standards. 434 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: You have, by all accounts, have been one of the 435 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: most successful, it's not the most successful coach of Notre Dame. 436 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: How did you embrace and handled the expectations and standards 437 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: that come along with being the head coach of Notre Dame. Well, Um, 438 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: I had nineteen years of being a head coach before 439 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: I got the job. That helped. I don't think you 440 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: could take the job over and not have had some 441 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: scarring when you got here. I mean, I made a 442 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: lot of mistakes before I got here. Had a lot 443 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: of successes, um, but still had some growing to do. 444 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: And then when I got on the job here, I 445 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: still have to figure out how to do this job. 446 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: And for me, this job is about balance. And you 447 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: can't be just football days twenty four hours a day, 448 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: seven days a week here or you're not going to 449 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: be able to stay in this job very long. So 450 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: balance for me was very important. My family needed to 451 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: be part of this. I needed to find other outlets 452 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: other than just football all the time. And I think 453 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: that that has worked well for me, finding that balance. Um. 454 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: And then I think curiosity. I think you've got to 455 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: be curious as a coach and maintain the curiosity in 456 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: terms of, you know, relationships with your players, you know 457 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: what's trending, um, what's out there football Lise, you know 458 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: what's going on, you know with your players moving on 459 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: to the NFL, all those things. I think curiosity, and 460 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: I think obviously finally, your why while you're doing it 461 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: keeps you from being burnt out, Like I love watching 462 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: our young guys grow. Um. Yeah, I know you gotta win. 463 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: You know, you gotta win games to stay employed. But 464 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: if you're really focused on those kinds of outcomes and 465 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: watching your young team grow. You don't get burnt out, 466 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, you get satisfied by watching that, and that's 467 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 1: worked well for me. Coach. I love that you use 468 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: the word curiosity because I think we hear the word 469 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: humility a lot, and I don't know that necessarily we 470 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 1: connect those two things. I think they're directly connected. Being curious. 471 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: You don't know everything. You're always trying to learn, always 472 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: trying to grow. I'm curious, who's Who's somebody that you've 473 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: learned from outside of the football world. Is there somebody 474 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: from another another sport? Is it a leadership guy? Who 475 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: who have you pulled from outside the football world? You know, 476 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: that's a really good question. Um. I have so many 477 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: mentors in my life and from my my dad and 478 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: my family, UM to the Notre name network is amazing, 479 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: and so many people that I've been able to be 480 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: touched by across this network. Um. One of the great 481 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: things about being at Notre Dame you run into so 482 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: many successful people and and you don't have to be 483 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: successful to be touched by them, believe me, but just 484 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: that kind of exposure that I get a chance to 485 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: sit down and talk with so many people. I just listen. 486 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: It's it's for me. It's great. You know. I go 487 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: out on the golf course with a Jimmy Dunn and 488 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: and played for you know, four hour rounds and just 489 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: listen to his wisdom. Um, So I think that's more 490 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: for me. Is just my release is to get out 491 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: and listen to these guys that have had such great 492 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: success and believe me, as you guys know, there's carry 493 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: over carry over and successful you know, business operations around 494 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: the world that I can take with me and running 495 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: our program. You know, Coach is funny because I remember 496 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: there being a tipping point like years ago when you 497 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: guys played Alabama in the National Championship Game. I felt 498 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: like we had a conversation. You just kind of talked 499 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: about seeing what they look like and seeing how you 500 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: had to kind of up to any when it came 501 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: to your program, and it appeared that you invested more 502 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: time and resources in the d have been defensive lines 503 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: and those things. When you think about building a National 504 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: Championship caliber team, what do you think are the essentials 505 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: on the field that you have to have to be 506 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: able to win it. Yeah, strengthen the trenches, right, you know, 507 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: I don't know that. You know these have changed. Um. Look, 508 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: I mean the game has changed a little bit in 509 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: terms of the proliferation of offensive talent. I think Alabama 510 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: showed that last year. Um, But you don't even get 511 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: to this conversation unless physically upfront and on the defensive 512 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: line and offensive line you are. You know, you are 513 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: up there with the elite teams. I think we've done 514 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: that now for us. It's it's we really have to 515 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,959 Speaker 1: grow on the perimeter. And and that has been for 516 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: us now where we feel like we have gotten into 517 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: that elite class on the offensive line and defensive line, 518 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: we have to now get into that elite class on 519 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: the perimeter. So it's been stages, it's been development. It's 520 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: been a long time. But you know it was twenty 521 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: years when I got here that we hadn't done that. 522 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: So it's taken us some time, but I think we 523 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: made some pretty good progress. I want to ask you 524 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: about one of your guys, Coach. I know he's hurt 525 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: right now, but Kyle Hamilton's somebody got a chance to 526 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: study as we start doing our preparation going into the 527 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: next phase of this thing. But just just your take 528 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: on him as a player and maybe something we don't 529 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: know about him as a person. Highly committed player. Sometimes 530 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: you hear guys get injured and you're like, oh, he's 531 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: saving himself. He doesn't want to play hardly. The point here, 532 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: this kid is doing everything to try to get back 533 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: on the field. Um. You know, and you know we've 534 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: all seen guys that are trying to you know, tap out, 535 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, and save themselves. So this kid is just 536 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: a committed player. He's one of my captains. UM. So 537 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, I can I can tell you that from 538 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: a character standpoint, unbelievable. But here's where he really is different. 539 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: Range and physicality. Where have you ever put range in 540 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: physicality together. It's usually one or the other. He's got 541 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: great range or he's really physical. And if he's got 542 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: great rang, she probably doesn't tackle well. If he's really 543 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: physically he doesn't probably cover really well. So you know, 544 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: when you put those two things together at six ft, 545 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, four and a half, um, that's a pretty good, 546 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: pretty good package, you know, coach, College football is more 547 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: transient than ever. Your quarterback was a guy to spend 548 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: time at Wisconsin before coming over to Notre Dame. Jack 549 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: Hone Um talk about the challenge of taking on a 550 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: transfer and not only having him played for you, but 551 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: having him assumed some of the leadership that quarterbacks must assume. 552 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: When did ahead of the team, well, you know, we 553 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: knew a lot about jack Um. He was recruited here 554 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: as a lacrosse player from Long Island, so we knew 555 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: about his character, his makeup. He was a Notre Dame guy, 556 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: and so we were really certain about what he was 557 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: going to bring. Um. There was some work to do 558 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: relative to moving him out of a direct snap seven 559 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: step five step drop offense into a shotgun offense, and 560 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: that took us a little while. But I couldn't be 561 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: more proud of a guy in terms of what he's 562 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: been able to do. Um. He's so coachable. Um. And 563 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: and now we've got him throwing the ball at about 564 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: completion percentage leading our offense. He looks really, really good 565 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: in it. Um, he's accurate, he's got a strong arm. 566 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: We couldn't be more police with what he's doing as 567 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: a leader and as a quarterback coach. You've been super 568 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,959 Speaker 1: generous with your time. I've got another one for your 569 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: final one from me. I'm I'm interested in the fact 570 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: that you guys are having this great run. You're right 571 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: there in the mix for the college football Playoff. What's 572 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: the message to your team though, to make sure your 573 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: feet are where you are right now, to not look 574 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: too far out ahead at that stuff. Yeah, what's important 575 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: right now is none of that comes together unless you 576 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: beat Georgia Tech. So you can wish and hope, and 577 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, none of that comes together unless you play 578 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: really well. This Saturday, We're gonna send off a bunch 579 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: of seniors, uh with our last home game. Uh. So 580 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: this is this is about us. This is about playing 581 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: well at home the last time this year, um, which 582 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: we've done really well. So focus and what's important now 583 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: right now is is playing well against Georgia Tech. And 584 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: then you know, we'll take it one step but a 585 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: time and then go out to Stanford. So um, that's 586 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: been our mindset. Our guys have done a really good 587 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: job sticking to the process. I know it sounds like 588 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: coach speak to you guys, um, and maybe it is, 589 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: but it works for us. Hey, this has been awesome, 590 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: coach man. I know you've got so much going on 591 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: and taking some time out for us. We always take 592 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: pages and pages and notes during these conversations, so we 593 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: really appreciate you. Thanks guys, thanks for having me on. 594 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: Take care. We'll talk to you soon, all right, Buck. 595 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: I always feel like we get these coaches on. You know, 596 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: we had melt Tucker on a couple of weeks ago, 597 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: but we kind of jinks him, We kind of manning 598 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: cursed him a little bit. They went out and lost 599 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: the game. Now they're back on track, hopefully, coach Kelly, 600 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: they don't suffer the same figure against Georgia Tech. But man, 601 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: it's great having him on. And I thought, to me, 602 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: the biggest takeaway was a great question that you asked 603 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: about taking a job at a school with the kind 604 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: of the notoriety of a place like like Notre Dame, 605 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: the pressures that accompany that, And man, I thought the 606 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: answer was really telling. You know, I thought, I thought 607 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: he gave a great answer, And I think, uh, it's 608 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: something that as we get into this new hiring cycle. 609 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: I think they're handful of programs that we call brand 610 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: name that no matter where you are in the country, 611 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: you know exactly who they are. They have a national 612 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: presence um. I think what he said in terms of 613 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: being like I've been a head coach for nineteen years 614 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: before or something like that, and and and and he 615 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: talked about I had had enough time to trial in 616 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: area to kind of figure it out and have a 617 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: formula and know exactly who um I was as a coach, 618 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: and that enabled him to be able to go to 619 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: Notre Dame with a clarity of purpose and a plan 620 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: to turn it around. I think sometimes we get caught 621 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: up in thinking about the high coordinator or the new 622 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: by head coach. You may have had like a flash 623 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: of success, but not have not had enough experience to 624 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: be able to take one of those big jobs. And 625 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: you have to have experience because with the experience comes expertise. 626 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: And Brian Kelly's experience and expertise has enabled him to 627 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: make Notre Dame a perennial power. Uh. Whether they look 628 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: uh knockdown to go post or not as a national 629 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: champion doesn't matter. They're always in the conversation and being 630 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: in the tournament. And that is something that is very 631 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: very hard to do when you think about how competitive 632 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 1: it is at the top. All Right, So this UM, 633 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: this is interesting because we just saw Virginia Tech just popped, right. 634 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: So Virginia Tech just opened up. So I would say, 635 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,719 Speaker 1: as of right now though, that probably the I mean, 636 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: the two marquee jobs are l s U and USC 637 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: at this point in time, right, Yeah. So I was 638 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: thinking about that in terms of the experience, and he 639 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: talked about, you know, eighteen nineteen years of head coaching experience. 640 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: So when you look at USC, I know, Dave Randa's 641 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: name has been thrown around there a little bit, who's 642 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: having a lot of success here in his second year 643 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: at Baylor. But man, that's not a lot of experience 644 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: as a head coach for someone like that. Now. James 645 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: Franklin is a name that we've seen mentioned. I know 646 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: that this hasn't gone, you know, the way that he 647 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: would like this season to go. I mean, you get 648 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: your quarterback hurt. I think that's probably a big part 649 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: of it. Um. But you look at him in terms 650 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: of his experience, I mean, he started his first head 651 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: coaching job he got it Vandy in two thousand and eleven, 652 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: so he's been a head coach going back to two 653 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: thousand eleven. That's a significant amount of experience and more importantly, 654 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes you've been allowed to make and 655 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: learn from. UM, So he's got a track record. Um. 656 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: The one that surprised me Matt Campbell, Like, I don't 657 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: know why I thought. Matt Campbell, Okay, he's probably been 658 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: a head coach for four or five years, right, it 659 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,719 Speaker 1: feels like he that's how long he's kind of been 660 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: in the spotlight. Buck Matt Campbell, um has been a 661 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,239 Speaker 1: coach since two thousand twelve because he was at he 662 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: was at Toledo. How hold on Matt Kimbell was that 663 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: was the head coach at Toledo from two thousand twelve 664 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: to two thousand fifteen. And he's been at Ohiowa State 665 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: since two thousand sixteen. So Matt Campbell has almost identical 666 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: amount of head coaching experiences. James Franklin, that surprised me 667 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: that he's got that much experience. Yeah, I think, UM 668 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: a couple of things when we talk about experience. UM, 669 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: I think it's significant that both guys that you mentioned 670 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: have also been at two different programs because I think 671 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: you have to understand, um, how to be able to 672 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: adapt to different circumstances. I think if we ask both guys, 673 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: and we've talked to James Franklin for sure, where we 674 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: talked about the way that he turned around Vandy was 675 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: different than the way that he had to turn around 676 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: Penn State. At Vanderbilt, he talked about stepping into a 677 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: program that hadn't had a lot of success, hasn't had 678 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: a lot of winning, and having to go around and 679 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: kind of get the locals behind the program and those things. 680 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: He goes to Penn State, which is known for success, 681 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: particularly under Joe Paterno different level of expectation and standards. Well, 682 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: now you take those two things and you go to 683 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: s C, where you're like, Okay, I know what this is. 684 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: Let me assess the lay of the land. Here's how 685 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: we need to do it. Matt Campbell goes from Toledo, 686 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: smaller powerhouse to take it over a program that was 687 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: downtrodden in Iowa State and making them a consistent winning 688 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: When now you take that, you jump up to SC. 689 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: I don't care what SC says and what their fans say. 690 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: SC right now needs a developmental coach, someone who can 691 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: develop the players and make sure that despite those guys 692 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: coming in with four and five stars, that they play 693 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: like four and five star performers. That has been one 694 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: of the things that is really hamstrong. SC is the 695 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: guys that they're recruiting and bringing in aren't playing to 696 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: the level of expectation based on their star rankings. M hmm. 697 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: It's a great point. So so Matt Campbell and James Franklin. 698 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 1: Matt Campbell is forty one years old, he's seventy six 699 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: and forty seven in his career. James Franklin, James Franklin's 700 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: forty mine, so both these guys under fifty. Franklin's ninety 701 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: and forty seven, so he's you know, that's they're they're there, 702 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, the same range of experienced, same ballpark of experience. 703 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: One more year really for Franklin. But you've got two 704 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: young guys, but young guys that have a lot of 705 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: a significant amount of experience. And then I think that's 706 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: fascinating because the other name that you hear a lot 707 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: in that job is Luke Fickle. Um. So, Luke Fickle 708 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: is forty eight years old, so again under fifty, and 709 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: his career record is fifty one and twenty one. Um so, 710 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: not not as much experiences as those guys, but you know, 711 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: he had that interim spot at Ohio State. He was 712 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: interim head coach there in two thousand and eleven, and 713 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: then he's been at Cincinnati since seventeen. So what I'm 714 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: getting at is I love Dave A. Randa and I 715 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: respect the heck out of the job he's done. I 716 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: don't think if your USC you can hire somebody that 717 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: that that has that limited head coaching experience, is what 718 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: I'm getting at. No, I don't, I don't. I don't 719 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: think you can't eat it. And I think, um even 720 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: digging deeper into the background, uh, Matt Campbell played at 721 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: Mountain Union. Matt Campbell also coached at Mountain Union. Mount 722 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: Union won a ton of games, ton of national titles. Uh. 723 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: And I believe winning is winning. I think when you 724 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: look at the job that Lance Leopold has already done 725 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: in Kansas, and I don't even know what the record is. 726 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: They just won their first game, I believe. But they've 727 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: been competitive. They were competitive with Oklahoma and they just 728 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: beat Texas with nowhere near the same talent. Right. But 729 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: but DJ, he he's always been punching above his weight. 730 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: He's wonted lower levels. He won. He wins at Buffalo 731 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: and the championships White Water, right and so and so, 732 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,439 Speaker 1: when you learn how to win man, that the confidence 733 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 1: and not only yourself but in your plan and knowing 734 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: that you can figure it out. I think that matts, 735 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: and I think that is that is a huge part 736 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: of what SC needs to figure out. I don't know 737 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: if Luke fuck will come. I don't know if any 738 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: of those guys have come from the Midwest to coming over, 739 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: but I do leave your point is valid. I'll be 740 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 1: honest with you if I'm messy. The first phone called 741 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: and I'm placing before I talk to those guys. Man, 742 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: I'm gonna see if I can, if I can make 743 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: a minute for Chris Peterson for not giving them the job. 744 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I love that. Yeah, because I don't 745 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: know if he wants to me. We've talked to him. 746 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: I didn't know that he necessarily wanted to do it. 747 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: I don't think that, but but I would. I would 748 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: have to. I would have to at least, Hey, coach, 749 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: you know you kind of missed that thing up the 750 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: first time. But because he knows and he's on the 751 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,919 Speaker 1: West coast and he knows the PAC twelve and all 752 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: that other stuff, but um, it'd be eat or some 753 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: By the way, is fifty seven years old. Chris Peterson. 754 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: You want to talk about overall record A hundred and 755 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: forty seven and thirty eight. So that is some experience. 756 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: DJ Boise Washington. And to be honest when you when 757 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: you asked me about seeing what they need, Yeah, they 758 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: need a fatherly grandfatherly figure to come over there. Who knows. 759 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: And then we're not doing all this silly stuff like 760 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: this this this let's get back to basics and listen, 761 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: be who SC is because if you go back and 762 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: you look at when SC was the most successful, Pete Carroll, 763 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: John Robinson, John McKay, Hey man, it wasn't about what 764 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: was the trenches. It was what Brian Kelly. It was 765 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: what Brian Kelly just said. It was exactly what he 766 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: just said. And I'm thinking when he was talking, all 767 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: I was thinking about was USC and the and the 768 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: difference between what those guys look like in their uniforms 769 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,720 Speaker 1: when they trot out on the field, comparing those offensive 770 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 1: linemen USC undersized guys, short arms, you know, six ft six, 771 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, guys that are two pounds like, don't even 772 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: fill out their uniform. And then you look at Notre Dame, 773 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: who's just trotting one NFL guy out there after another. 774 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's a difference, man. There there there 775 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: is a difference. And uh when you talk to o 776 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 1: SC guys and how SC used to do it or whatever, Man, 777 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: it was never about the big playbook and those things. 778 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: We have better plays and you we're gonna hit you 779 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: in the face and that's that's where we're gonna do. 780 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,399 Speaker 1: And it came from the trenches. You know, everyone talks 781 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 1: about student Buddy right and student Buddy left. If anybody 782 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: really googles and and look it up, it's the old 783 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 1: tall sweep that you learned the first play of Little League, 784 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 1: and they just had better guys coming around the corner. 785 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: And you're right when you talk about Brian Kelly talking 786 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: about the commitment to the trenches. There's no reason why 787 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: SC shouldn't have the best offensive line. And they're there 788 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: two high schools in their backyard and St. John's Bosco 789 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: and modern day, when you watch them play high school ball, 790 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 1: their line looks like the way a line should look 791 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: in the facts. Well, and so to me, that's what 792 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: it is. Until they get back to that, they're never 793 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: they'll never closed the gap on a national perspective, and 794 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: they're always be an up and down team in the 795 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: Pact twelve. Yeah, Brian Kelly now is saying, Okay, we 796 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: gotta go out to the perimeter. Now, we gotta get 797 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: the receivers in the corners to marry up. But you 798 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: always start with the bigs. Once you get the biggs 799 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: taken care of, it's a lot easier to go shopping 800 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: for the little dudes. Um, you know, you go get 801 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: all the little dudes you want. If you don't have 802 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 1: the big dudes, a little dudes don't get to shine. 803 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: So that that is what it is. That is what 804 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 1: it is. And and and DJ what's so funny about 805 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: that is we talked about it in the league and 806 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: how you build up a program. It's like building a 807 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: house and it never changes. The foundation of the house 808 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 1: is always the line play offensive and defensive line. You 809 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: get the foundation right, man, it's easy to put all 810 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: the other stuff, the skeleton, the slats and all of 811 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: the other stuff to paint. That stuff comes later, but 812 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: you gotta make sure you have the foundation right. And 813 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: the foundation is always the offense of the defense line, 814 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: because if you have that, you have a chance. All right, 815 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 1: we'll finish this, Uh, this pot up right after this. 816 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,240 Speaker 1: All right, Buck, this has been a fun one today, 817 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: man Um. I want to encourage everybody to stay with us, 818 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 1: hang with us on Thursday Night. I know those that 819 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: went to watch the Twitch feed of TNF last week, 820 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: I saw that we got bumped. There was an issue 821 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: between the NFL and and Twitch and a copyright confusion. 822 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: We are very much authorized to stream the Thursday night game, 823 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: as we've been doing now for two years. For some reason, 824 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: there was a hiccup, so it ended up getting taken 825 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 1: offline last week. It's back. Apologize for that. Come hang 826 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: with us. It's Twitch dot tv, slash moved the six, 827 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: Joey Taylor bucking myself. I think you've you've probably seen 828 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: some of those videos we've posted of the funny reactions 829 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: that we've had two different plays, bizarre plays over the 830 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: last few weeks. But it is a lot of fun. 831 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: So I would encourage you guys to come hang with us. Man. 832 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: I should do it. She'd be fun. It's always a 833 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: lot of fun. It's unfortunately it was down last week, 834 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: but there's always a great hang and this week is 835 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: a great game because we got the Patriots and the 836 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,720 Speaker 1: Falcons and one of those teams is beginning to shape 837 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: up and round in the form. Not only is a 838 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: playoff contender, kind of one of those dark horse Super 839 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: Bowl contenders that we have to talk about. And that's 840 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: the newing. The Patriots and DJ. We can sit here 841 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: and we can wonder and all that other stuff like 842 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: how the Patriots doing, and we can talk about Macjonals 843 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: and he is playing terrific as a rookie. Uh five 844 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: games with a passer rating over a hundred, which is 845 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: amazing in itself. But the Patriots. Look at the Patriots again, 846 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: and I think that's a scary thought for everyone in 847 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: the a f C. Yeah, they are rolling. Mac Jones 848 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: is playing great, and we'll have h we'll break it 849 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: all down on here on Thursday night. Come hang with 850 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 1: us and we'll get into their whole team building philosophy 851 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: and how they've done it. Um. But before then, we'll 852 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: have another podcast in your way as well, so be 853 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: on the lookout for that. Appreciate you guys hanging with us. 854 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,760 Speaker 1: Thanks to David Singer, the best booker in the business, 855 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: getting Brian Kelly wrapped up for us. UM. He is 856 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 1: the best. The bill is UH is one of a 857 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: kind from a producing standpoint as well. Appreciate all his 858 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: hard work and efforts, and we'll catch you next time. 859 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: Right here, I'll move the sticks