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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I ghosted.

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Speaker 3: As nandezes Hey boo, it's me Roz, and welcome to

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Speaker 3: Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to

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Speaker 3: people that I like about the paranormal.

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Speaker 1: Kara Klank is back. That's right, I must like her.

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Speaker 1: I think it's her third or fourth time. She's the best.

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Speaker 1: You know her from her podcast on the Exactly Right

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Speaker 1: Network called That's Messed Up colon, an SVU podcast. She

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Speaker 1: two of them so so much. She's one of these

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Speaker 1: people she can just talk about anything and make it interesting.

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Speaker 1: So I prepared a bunch of topics for us to

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Speaker 1: talk about, and we had a good time. In this

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Speaker 1: little intro here, I'm not going to read a story

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Speaker 1: But also I was looking through my emails at ghosted

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Speaker 1: by Roz at gmail dot com. I was looking for

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Speaker 1: Some of them were like a little little too long.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't really able to you know, I can't read

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Speaker 1: I have this really good story. Do you want me

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Speaker 1: to send it to you? Yes, the answer is yes,

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Speaker 1: How they sound like a few little paragraphs, maybe about

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Speaker 1: I love reading them. So I'll just do a quick

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Speaker 1: little bibliomancy from the literary archives of Sylvia Brown. So

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Speaker 1: this is going to come from her book that is

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Speaker 1: called Visits from the Afterlife, The Truth about Haunting Spirits

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Speaker 1: and Reunions with Lost loved Ones. Okay, I'm just going

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Speaker 1: Here is the message that Sylvia Brown is giving us today.

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Speaker 2: They'll believe you for two reasons. One is that you've

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Speaker 2: earned their trust in the time you've spent together. The

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Speaker 2: other is that you're telling them the truth. And the

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Speaker 2: soul always knows the truth when it hears it.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's beautiful. All right, Well we're going to get

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Speaker 1: some truth out of Kara Klank today and with the show.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's my exactly right sister.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Sarah Clank, so excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: You got the Fleetwood Mac shirt on?

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know what. My friend gave this to me.

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Speaker 4: Her husband works for Jason Momoa's T shirt company, and

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Speaker 4: Like they're like distressed in a very specific way and

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Speaker 4: I do love Fleetoo Mac. And a little witchy you know, Stevie,

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Speaker 4: how witchy are you? How witchy am I? I would

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Speaker 4: I'm willing to I'm willing to do a seance or

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Speaker 1: So if someone invites you to the coven, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I have a guest pass to my my covens ceremony tonight,

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Speaker 4: I will go, guys there, wine, I'll go. Yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: Well, I was thinking, because you've been on this show.

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Speaker 4: I'm literally one of the ghosts that keeps coming back

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Speaker 1: And the fifth one you do get a haunted doll. Oh,

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Speaker 1: so look forward to that. You've been on the show

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Speaker 1: many times and we've covered a lot of different things.

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Speaker 1: We definitely have heard about your beliefs, of which you

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Speaker 4: It can't be. Two men were out fishing getting wasted

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Speaker 1: that when again that is the Pascagoula UFO. We were

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Speaker 4: Wait, have you ever done the Fresno night Crawlers?

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Speaker 1: But this was in La This was in.

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Speaker 4: Well listen it was. It was a joke thing for Halloween.

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Speaker 4: I mean way in a minute. So he shows her

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Speaker 1: You know, they're just they're basically just two big pairs

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Speaker 4: It's a high waisted pant.

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Speaker 1: Honestly though, anytime you wear white pants, that's risky.

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Speaker 4: You are you are creepy, You're a hoax.

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Speaker 4: And I don't own any white pants I have.

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Speaker 4: You know, people just leave an errant hershey kisses out here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I got something good for you. This is going

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Speaker 1: I'm ready. So I do like to talk about religious

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Speaker 4: Have you ever watched the show Evil?

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Speaker 4: This is totally like just a repeat. It was like

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Speaker 4: It's on CBS. People are like, why would I watch that?

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Speaker 4: and they investigate religious happenings like hauntings, and sometimes they

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Speaker 4: But sometimes they can't because there is a bunch of Look,

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Speaker 4: The religious phenomena absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like something like, okay, the Holy Spirit

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Speaker 1: Now, here's something that I will say. Originally, a bunch

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Speaker 4: His first name is Christ. You know, Hi, coincidence?

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Speaker 1: then that's every slumber party that little boy. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: there is a photo of him and he is very happy.

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Speaker 4: Wow, he's straight up just squatting on someone's face.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He just squats on people's faces and farts in

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Speaker 4: expelling things that we don't need? No, but here's what

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Speaker 1: You have any thoughts of what you could have been

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Speaker 1: You know what I love so much. It's like a

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Speaker 4: Guess what. You're probably one of the people that hunted

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Speaker 1: Don't get me started. Okay, here is a story that

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want your opinion on this. I'm still not

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Speaker 4: I've just had dreams where I am like, you're dreaming,

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Speaker 1: I like your hat rock, He's like, did you see

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Speaker 4: let me ask you what people have sleep paralysis? Does

434
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 4: it come back a lot?

435
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: See? But doesn't that make it more more paranormal because

436
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: a lot of times it's like kind of like a

437
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: condition that people have that happens all the time. This

438
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: only happened once. That's that's what makes it really interesting.

439
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: And in the same night the hat Man, the hat

440
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: Man visited.

441
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 4: Except no imitations. It was the hat Man.

442
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: Or it could have been a hat Man impersonator. It

443
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: could have been a ghost that wishes they were the

444
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: hat Man.

445
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 4: I wish I could believe. I'm sorry, I'm such a

446
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 4: poo pooer, and I hope that Grant don't be mad.

447
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 4: At me. I'm I'm sure that you feel like you

448
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 4: experienced this, Like I do believe that your brain can

449
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 4: cause very very powerful things to happen to you physically.

450
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 4: But I just am having a hard time with the

451
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 4: fact that you watched it like one night and then

452
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 4: went right to bed and then it happened. That seems

453
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 4: so coincidental.

454
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: Well, lucky, lucky for you, o'neally cummins, I believe you.

455
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: I hit my gavel. Okay, you're gonna like this next one,

456
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: because this is a man who dedicated his life to

457
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: being a lockness monster hunter.

458
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 2: Hmmm.

459
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: And it seems like he's kind of thrown at the

460
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: towel and he's like, you know what, I don't think

461
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: it's real.

462
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 4: Oh oh, so.

463
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: This is a seventy five year old man. His name

464
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: is Adrian Shine.

465
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 4: Adrian Shine, and.

466
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: This is coming from a wonderful publication, The New York Post.

467
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, this is the kind of shit that

468
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: literally the world's like crumbling around us. A New York

469
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: Post is like, hey, a lockness monster hunter is no

470
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: longer doing it. Just so everyone knows. This was written

471
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: by alex Ola Vieira and this man, Adrian Shine, he

472
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 1: first of all, he's got a great look as a

473
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: Lockness monster hunter.

474
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 4: He could be nothing else but Lockness, I know.

475
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: And that's the things that he is getting.

476
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 4: It flapping in the breeze on the Bonnie Locks.

477
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: Of he's quits the character on the Traders. He should

478
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: be like a side character on the Traders or a cobbler.

479
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: I feel like that's another thing he could do. So basically,

480
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: this man, he's got sort of like a Santa Claus

481
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: On az Empic look.

482
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: He's like, he kind of looks like Kevin's neighbor and

483
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 4: home alone, the one that they're scared of.

484
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he looks like a really nice man. He's

485
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: he's got a three piece gray suit on and a

486
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: long white beard and it is blowing in the wind.

487
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: There's a photo of him on a boat, probably in Lockness.

488
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: So basically he's a seventy five year old man. He

489
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: has worked on this case looking for Nassy for fifty years.

490
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 1: He's the founder of the Lockness Project, a massive archive

491
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: of research into the Lockness Monster, and he has just

492
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: basically gotten to that point in his life where he's like.

493
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 4: It's been fifty years.

494
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: That has to be humble I mean, it's kind of

495
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: like what anytime someone's like giving up on their dream.

496
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: You know, it's like someone that's like I've been wanting

497
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: to be a rock star and now I'm like seventy.

498
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 4: Or it's like the rapture people the keep being like

499
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 4: it's happening on this day, it's happening, and then it

500
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 4: keeps not happening. I know how you stay faithful.

501
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: I know, I know that's when you need a big,

502
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: strong fart in your mouth.

503
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'll get your brain right Wait what Okay,

504
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 4: so yeah, tell me more about him.

505
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: So basically, this man, he's got a couple of theories.

506
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: He believed over the years that monster sightings are caused

507
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: by the heavy boat traffic that runs through the lake,

508
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: so they make you know, humps like the little waves. Ah,

509
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: and so he's seen Okay, babe, he's like, come on, no,

510
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: that's that's not an actual.

511
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, because like what is the lackness monster eating just

512
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 4: like a bunch of fish.

513
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: That's funny you say that. That's one of the things

514
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: he said. He said, the water's too cold for a

515
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: big creature like that, and there's not enough fish in

516
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: there to feed a big ass monster like that.

517
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I kind of this is like watching

518
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 4: like a Maga person break away, kind of like I

519
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 4: found I actually read some of the real science and

520
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 4: it's impossible for an animal that big delivery. And he's

521
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 4: letting the fact stack up.

522
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: Damn yeah, sort of sky.

523
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 4: You're right. I do like this one.

524
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: I like him about giving up, but it was a

525
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: fun thing, you know. It was like, I don't think

526
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: it was causing much harm to anyone. They just really

527
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: wanted to believe.

528
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 4: I have you ever been to Burlington, Vermont.

529
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: I've been to Burlington to Govertory.

530
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 4: Okay, Burling to go Victory. Burlington, Vermont, beautiful little city

531
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 4: in Vermont. It's on Lake Champlain. If you ever are

532
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 4: on Lake Champlain, there's champ Is the their version of

533
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 4: the log best Monster I call it. I went to

534
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 4: summer camp and I still go back to my camp

535
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 4: every year on this beautiful lake in Vermont, and whenever

536
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 4: there's like your hat flies off, people are like, oh, like,

537
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 4: Mari monster got it?

538
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

539
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 4: Like there's just people think that there are monsters in

540
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 4: these big bodies of water, but it doesn't hurt anyone.

541
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 4: It's cute, but it's like this man dedicated fifty years

542
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: of his life to gathering all the information and running

543
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 4: like a society about it. Does he have a side

544
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: hustle or was that it? Oh?

545
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: I have a hard time believe it, say door dash,

546
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: he was making a bunch of well, maybe he was

547
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: giving tours or something. I'm not really sure.

548
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 4: But I just like when people that are indoctrinated into

549
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 4: a belief for something kind of like are willing to

550
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 4: change their minds about it, because I see so many

551
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 4: people who aren't willing to change their minds.

552
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think it's good to have an open mind

553
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: to all possibilities, but I don't think you need to

554
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: commit to one belief. And I don't necessarily know that

555
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: he ever was like it's real. I think he was

556
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: just you know, I think he maybe not, But you

557
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: don't have to believe it's real to get.

558
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: Care of fifty years of information about it.

559
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: You're like everyone says it is. I want to see

560
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: for myself.

561
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 4: It's called scrap booking. Get over it, you know what?

562
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: This is kind of how I am about ghost though

563
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: and all of this stuff where I'm not the one

564
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: to be like it's one hundred percent real, all of it.

565
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: I don't know that, but I'm like, let me go

566
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: look and see for myself. And then sometimes I get

567
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: there and I'm like, tried everything. I've never been to

568
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: one place for fifty years trying to on one ghost.

569
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 4: I'm almost more willing to believe that there are ghosts

570
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 4: and paranormal stuff than there are creatures that have been

571
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 4: unable to be photographed in their entire you know what

572
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 4: I mean, Yeti's or not Yeti's or yety no like Bigfoot,

573
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 4: Yeti's Luckness monster, that kind of stuff like that. There

574
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: are these creatures that have just evaded our cameras, you know.

575
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: But I'm more willing to believe that there are that,

576
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 4: like people are feeling spirits and ghosts and stuff like that,

577
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 4: than animals that eat and shit and like live.

578
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.

579
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: What if lockedest monster And you're like, champlain, goat, champ

580
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: cham What if they're ghosts of dinosaurs?

581
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 4: Now we're talking now, we're talking dino ghosts.

582
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: It's very possible. Well, you know, another funny thing about lockness.

583
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: There's a theory that some people have is that Alister Crowley,

584
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, the famous uh no magician meaning you know,

585
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: he practiced what it's called. I never know how to

586
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: say it, Alima Thalima, Alistair Crawley. They call him the

587
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: wickedest man to ever live. Kind of a thing. Wow,

588
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: he was an occultist. You never heard of Alistair Crawley.

589
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: I know you're saying it like like you never heard.

590
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: Of Alistair Crawley. He it was a famous man that

591
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: lived from eighteen seventy five to nineteen forty seven.

592
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: You're acting like your dial like you're like, you know

593
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: Betty Crocker. You've never heard of Betty Crocker. I've never heard.

594
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: Of Alista Crawley. You know this guy look like oh no, yes,

595
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: and listen. I never said he was hot. Yeah, but

596
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: he was a man that lived on lockness, Like he

597
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: lived like in a uh huh, and he was trying

598
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: all kinds of funky shit and trying to conjure up whatever,

599
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, all kinds of stuff. I don't know all

600
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: the exacts.

601
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 4: Do you think maybe he opened the gate to like

602
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 4: he revived an old like Dino ghost.

603
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: Or some kind of creature.

604
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 4: Who knows how how long back does lockness date? Though,

605
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 4: because Lockness Monster feels like it's something that would have

606
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 4: gone pre Aleister Crawley times.

607
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it has. Listen, I'm not here to

608
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: be an expert. But one other thing that he said

609
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: that he's come to the conclusion of. He's like, when

610
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: you see the neck coming out like the pictures, it's like, oh,

611
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: there's got a long neck. He's like, it's a form

612
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: of birds.

613
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 4: It's a form of birds. It's a bunch of birds

614
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 4: in a trunk.

615
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: He says, Nessie's long necked. Oh I'm sorry, I ever

616
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: read that wrong. Wait wait, cut that he says, Nassy's

617
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: long necked form is birds. Oh, I'm not really sure.

618
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: He says, it's a calm it's when the water's calm,

619
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: there's a bird somehow, like a.

620
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 4: Crane or something with a super long neck. And then

621
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 4: maybe it photographs kind of looking like that.

622
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's a wing or something. Oh yeah, well, anyway,

623
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: good for him and he' what's he going to do? Now?

624
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 4: What do you do after you or obsessed with the

625
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: Locknest Monster for fifty years. You're seventy five, You've got

626
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 4: a long ass beard in a three piece gray suit.

627
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 4: What are you doing, I know, are you starting what's

628
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 4: your what's chapter two for you?

629
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,959
Speaker 1: Now you get a bigfoot? Yeah, that's interesting. That's such

630
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: a that's such a weird like first date. Like he's

631
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: like starting to he's trying to start fresh, and you're like, okay,

632
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: so what have you been up to your whole life?

633
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, wow, you heard of lockness.

634
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: I'm not really into that anymore. Chapter of into Formula

635
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 4: one now.

636
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he very well. He likes mma. Now who knows.

637
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: So one last thing that he said, he said the

638
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: numerous sightings over the years. The quote from him just

639
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: says they're all fakes, and he's like, fuck all these

640
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: people of this interview. But he seems like I'm just

641
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: I just keep thinking about what this man is going

642
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: through because I'm sure he's got so many friends that

643
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: are like a part of that world. Because he leaves

644
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: this whole thing by saying I had enormous fun and

645
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 1: any proof would be wonderful. An he knew proof would

646
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: be wonderful.

647
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 4: He said, I like when somebody gives it a fifty

648
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 4: year time limit and says that sure, at fifty years,

649
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 4: if I don't have any definitive proof. I think I'm out,

650
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 4: you know, exactly, but I'm glad he had fun along

651
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 4: the way. It's not the destination, it's the journey.

652
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 1: It's the journey, you know, absolutely. And I do feel

653
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: that way about like all of this stuff, like even

654
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: sometimes because you know, I'm always around comics and stuff,

655
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: and sometimes they're not unlike you where they're just like,

656
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: you really believe in those.

657
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 4: Worth so cynical. We know better you.

658
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: Believe in the stuff, And I'm like, I don't necessarily

659
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: know that I believe it everything, but I'm interested in

660
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: talking about things that people believe. Yeah, and I think

661
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: it's really fun and interesting.

662
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: I have seen videos and people have showed me pictures

663
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 4: and told me stories where I'm like, WHOA, that sounds that,

664
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 4: that's interesting, that sounds crazy. Sometimes when you're telling me

665
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 4: these stories, I'm like, well, I think I can see

666
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 4: where that came from. But sometimes I can't, you know,

667
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 4: so I don't totally not believe. Well, this's not a

668
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,479
Speaker 4: total cynic You're about to believe those, Okay. I feel

669
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 4: like I'm I feel like I'm getting somewhere with you.

670
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 4: I'm really chipping away.

671
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm this is my favorite I'm very excited about this one.

672
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: My favorite fortune teller in the entire world. Listeners already, now.

673
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 4: You have a favorite, yes, and.

674
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: There's many to choose from. My favorite is a woman

675
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: in England named Jemima Packington. You've told me about her, Yes,

676
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: She's also known as the asparamancer.

677
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 4: She asparagus. She reads asparagus.

678
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: She reads a sparag That may have been the.

679
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 4: First time I ever came on this. You told me about.

680
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: That, I rarely stopped talking about it. So one thing

681
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: that I've been looking forward to is that she does

682
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: a yearly Like every year she's like, here's what the

683
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: asparagus are telling me for twenty twenty six. Now, this

684
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: woman is.

685
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: She's right all the time. Because I think I remember

686
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 4: you telling me something that she told me about an

687
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 4: election that ended up being incorrect.

688
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: Okay, I have thought about this. I've dedicated the past

689
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: fifty years of my life studying Jemima pack and I'm

690
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: still on board with her. She did predict that the

691
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: US would have a female president in twenty twenty four. Now,

692
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: some would say, yeah, it's bottle, Yeah, I don't. I mean,

693
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: it's hard to believe the asparagus is going to lie

694
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: about something of that major. Yeah, and she hasn't gotten

695
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: new publicity photos yet, but she doesn't need them because

696
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: she's got the classic.

697
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 4: Classic holding up a bunch of asparagus like it's a

698
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 4: hand of cards.

699
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: She's fanning it out. I love her so much. What's

700
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: the latest? Said Jemima coming on the show? Still no word?

701
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 4: All right, crickets Hey Grant is from the UK. Jemima's

702
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 4: from the UK?

703
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: Right, Who's Grant?

704
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 4: Grant was the writer who wrote in before about Oh

705
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 4: the hat Man. You're right, So I'm just saying, you

706
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: have listeners in the UK. So listeners, Cummings, listeners in

707
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 4: the UK. If you have a connection to.

708
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: Drama, Yes, if you live in the UK. Hold her

709
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: asparagus hostage until she agrees to come on this show. Okay,

710
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: So the asparam answer. Here's what she has said for

711
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, and she's seventy five to ninety percent accurate. Okay.

712
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: For example, the day that well, when the Queen was

713
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: when the queen. Here's the thing. A lot of her

714
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: predictions are UK happy. I can't blame her. She did

715
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: say that the asparagus spears formed the shape of a

716
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: shattered crown just months before the queen passed away. Oh

717
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: does she drop the asparagus drop something, and then it

718
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: gives her a message.

719
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: The asparagus lay where they lay.

720
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So here's some of the ones. This one

721
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: comes from Somerset Live dot co dot UK. She says

722
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: there's going to be a general election in the UK,

723
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: a change in government is imminent. Political resignations will be plentiful.

724
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: Further flooding in the UK will lead to significant disruptions

725
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: to the infrastructure. Okay, lots of UK stuff here we go.

726
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: The US midterm elections will witness a massive shift towards

727
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: the Democrats and this will come as a shock to

728
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: the current administration. Well yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure they're

729
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: going to all love it.

730
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 4: How it can come to a shock to anyone because

731
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 4: pretty much every midterm election it swings to the other side.

732
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: But also, as it is, I'm sure the current administration

733
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: is going to be like, oh, okay, fair and square. Yeah,

734
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: so okay, let's see here, she says people, she probably

735
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: take it. I'll take it absolutely.

736
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 4: Anyone selling me that I'll take it.

737
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: This woman got me through twenty twenty four because I

738
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: was like the asparagus said, it's all gonna be fine, everyone,

739
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: don't worry. The asparagus said that Kambala is gonna when Okay,

740
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: people will turn to mindfulness mindfulness as a means to

741
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: self healing. There will be a greater focus on alternative

742
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: methods and medicines.

743
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 4: I mean, so, maha, are we already there?

744
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: Kennedy, people are going to fart in each other's mouths Okay,

745
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: actually okay, wait, no these are all UK football and

746
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: no offense.

747
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 4: I don't know mindndfulness. Okay, people are going to turn

748
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 4: to mindfulness. I mean they're saying people are going to

749
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 4: like swing away from like the AI and like the

750
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: oh phone like stuff that. Like, yet people are going

751
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 4: to swing away from phones and social media and influencers,

752
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 4: like people don't want to see people spend money like

753
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 4: that anymore.

754
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, like you know, I'm hoping. But that's the

755
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: other thing with anytime there's predictions, it's like you can

756
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: look at societal trends and like where things are going. Yes,

757
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: but anyway, Royal family will face more health scares but

758
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: will overcome them.

759
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 4: Okay, people will get sick and then get better.

760
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: Yes, there's definitely some of that. Like, she says, the

761
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: pop world, the entertainment and pop world where will mourn

762
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: the loss of some of its royalty, with some departures

763
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: being quite unexpected. I mean that's kind of always Okay,

764
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: this one I find so interesting. She says. A seismic

765
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: shift in popular music is anticipated, with emerging musicians embracing

766
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: the jazzy swing era of the forties and fifties. K

767
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: pop will be out and swing pop will be in.

768
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 4: Jimima, Jimima, Bay Bay. I don't know about cherry pop

769
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 4: and Daddy's and that kind of story.

770
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, we had that, we did it, and we

771
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: we don't need to go back.

772
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 4: Trust me. I worked at a free working, jazz like

773
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 4: restaurant in Boston for a little while. That was it

774
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: was back when like rat pack stuff was really big

775
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 4: and like the you know, the early two thousands.

776
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: But I wonder a lot of the early two thousands

777
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: come it's like back now. Yeah, Like, I don't know

778
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: about that one, lady, but I am excited for some

779
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: of these.

780
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 4: By the way, how does she get that from the asparagus?

781
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 4: Like you drop the asparagus and the asparagus forms into

782
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 4: a shape that says pop is going to go more jazzy.

783
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 4: I don't understand why. I donder stand the broken shattered crown.

784
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 4: That's that's it, that'sca But she dropped it just it

785
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 4: dropped and it fell into like the shape of a clarinet,

786
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 4: like Kenny G's coming back.

787
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: It's spelled Megan, all about that bass? Yes, I'm not sure.

788
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: I would love to ask her, Okay. And then her

789
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: final one is the the British Asparagus Festival is forecast

790
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: to enjoy even greater success than usual.

791
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 4: This woman is a lobbyist for the Aspiragus.

792
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: I honestly think that there's something. There's some funding going

793
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: on somewhere.

794
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 4: Or Asparagus told her that the asparagus event is going

795
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 4: to be better and more lit than ever before.

796
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: And let me guess who the headliner at the ASP

797
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: the British Asparagus Festival is.

798
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 4: The Asparagus is telling me that tickets are going fast

799
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 4: by now use code Jemima for twenty percent off. I

800
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 4: only do what they say.

801
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: And the meet and greet upgrades are going quick.

802
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I can't meet everyone?

803
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, good for Jemima Packington All right, Wow, we have

804
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: really we've really moved.

805
00:44:54,239 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 4: Through porn actor's name or something, doesn't it Jemima Packington.

806
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: Does for sure. Packington Okay. Can I show you a

807
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: haunted Ebey doll? It's time for the dolls are living? Okay.

808
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: This is a doll currently on eBay named Bethany, and

809
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: she's going for twenty seven dollars and thirty cents. Jeeha,

810
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: show us Bethany. You got it? Ros Oh Bethany. Okay,

811
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: she's the ghost of Bethany Frankel. Bethany love a girl

812
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: with bangs. She I don't know where era is she.

813
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: Her hair feels sixties, but her look is very eighteen hundreds.

814
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, like she's maybe sixties but Mormon or O.

815
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: Or she's sixties, but she's a tour guide at a

816
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: Victorian mansion that people.

817
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 4: Her hair's a little flip on the side and chunky

818
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 4: bang and a.

819
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: Big red lip. Oh yeah, oh yes, oh gorgeous dead

820
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: eyes and look at that thin brow.

821
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 4: That's of a time right, well it's super thick.

822
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: Now, that could be the nineties, that could be Pamela. Okay,

823
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: So it says this doll was purchased at an antique mall.

824
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: Her eyes followed me around as I shopped, knowing she

825
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: wanted to come home with me. I couldn't quite deny

826
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: her persuasion. Once home, I interviewed her with dowsing rods?

827
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: Do you know about that? Is that like when you

828
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: sign it? It's something to stress dust the two cans?

829
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, what are dowsing rods? Is it like? Is it?

830
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: Is it like a Geiger counter kind of for hauntedness?

831
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 4: It's not something that animal measuring sticks.

832
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: I have a feeling you ain't gonna buy it, okay,

833
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: but it's one of these things. You hold these sticks

834
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: and they move and that's how you talk.

835
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 4: Oh.

836
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: I have a feeling you're gonna see that year and

837
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: go bornish. It's very wigi board. She also did use.

838
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: This person used a wigi board, and that's how they

839
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: got her name and the date that she died. So

840
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: what they have learned is that she was thirty in

841
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty eight. Now keep in mind, this is the

842
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: spirit that is inside of this doll.

843
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 4: Thirty in nineteen twenty eight.

844
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: Okay, she was pretty. She had dark hair and dark eyes.

845
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: She was tall and thin. It says her flatter chest

846
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 1: and narrow hip was in fashion at the time suited

847
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: some of the fashion like flapper.

848
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 4: Oh you know, like flappers always felt like their dresses

849
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 4: were like hanging off of them. They were like human hangers.

850
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: That's true. Okay, so she was a thin flapper. She

851
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: didn't have to big old flappers flap. It said that

852
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: she actually leaned toward masculine touches like ties and suit jackets.

853
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: So she was not so much a flapper. She was

854
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: a librarian and fought for equality for women. She was

855
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: first to sign up for meetings in marches when the

856
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: cause was right.

857
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 4: Is this a US doll? The stall is from the US?

858
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: I think so she was a lesbian.

859
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 4: I'm getting that.

860
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: Actually, she denied her attraction to other women for many

861
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: years as she was taught it was not biblical. As

862
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: she grew, matured and read more, she came to the

863
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: conclusion that God had made her that way, and that

864
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: God still due to societal morality of the day, right

865
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: or wrong, she kept it hidden. She had a roommate

866
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: slash secret lover named Renee who worked at a butcher shop. Okay,

867
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: that's so on the nose. Literally, Renee was the butcher shop. Yeah,

868
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: extra butch job. Okay, so basically she got into a

869
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: car accident and died and now she's in this doll.

870
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: So if anybody here wants a lesbian from the nineteen

871
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: twenties that is trapped inside of a doll for twenty

872
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: seven dollars a.

873
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 4: Day, rice point, you can't beat it.

874
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: You can't beat it. For a spirit of.

875
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 4: The nineteen twenties lesbian that is like powerful. I'd think

876
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 4: having somebody who is willing to like buck Society's conventions

877
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 4: at that time and dress in a masculine way and.

878
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: Take her to rally.

879
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 4: You know, for twenty seven dollars, you could get a

880
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 4: little of that energy in your house.

881
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, not a bad deal. She also she

882
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: enjoys audio books and podcasts hey, I don't know she's

883
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: listening now, and documentaries, and she also likes the old

884
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: timey music of her era. Well maybe she'll likes some

885
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: of the new swing coming out. Well that's the little swing.

886
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: It's not twenties, but you know what I mean. Okay,

887
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: last thing, Can I plave some ghost voice?

888
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: Oh?

889
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: Yes, it's time for EVP.

890
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 4: Or ev plicse Okay, mind me what an EVP is?

891
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: Electronic voice? Phenomenal?

892
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 4: Oh, that's right.

893
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is when a you know, a person

894
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: believes they've captured ghosts speaking. This comes from an account

895
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: called shadows paran Shadows with a Z Paranormal thirty eight

896
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: fifty one on YouTube, and they have recorded two EVPs

897
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: from a private residence in Jackson County, Mississippi. All right,

898
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: what is this ghost saying? Kara klank?

899
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 4: That's it.

900
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: For an invisible dead person to say.

901
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 4: I'm hearing like your fast.

902
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: In fashion. Yeah, I can hear that. Well, that is

903
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: not what they thought.

904
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 4: What did they think? You do?

905
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: They think it was A your bat shit?

906
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 4: Oh you're bat shit? Yeah, B stop that, C you're

907
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 4: a bitch? Play it again?

908
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: Or D Tomima backing down. Okay, it's one of these.

909
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 4: Now I'm hearing you're a bitch.

910
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: They believe it's stop that.

911
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 4: Stop that.

912
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: I can kind of stop that. Yeah maybe yeah, sure, sure, okay,

913
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: I think this is at the same place. What is

914
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: this one saying?

915
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 4: Okay, give me my choices. I can't hear it.

916
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: Did they think it was A you tried to b

917
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: bite you, C behind you? Or D I'm by two.

918
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: It's one of those.

919
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 4: Behind you?

920
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: That is correct. That's spooky.

921
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 4: You're behind you now, Okay.

922
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: This is usually the point where I ask people their

923
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: various beliefs and different things. However, we've had you on

924
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: many times and we've talked about all of it. But

925
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: also today's episode I'm very proud of because we covered psychics,

926
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: we covered religious stuff, ghost inside my Child, Locko's Monster,

927
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: we did it all. The one thing that we didn't

928
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: do that's kind of like a newer question that I've

929
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: left asking people, is there any conspiracy theories that you

930
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: think are fun?

931
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, yeah, there definitely are some conspiracy theories I

932
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 4: think are fun. I really liked the conspiracy theory that

933
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 4: Obama was having an affair with Jennifer Aniston.

934
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: Wait, I don't remember that.

935
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 4: It's definitely not true. But what wait, what are some

936
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 4: conspiracy theories? I kind of am willing to believe a

937
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 4: lot of conspiracy theories more and more as I get older.

938
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: As time goes on too, I'm used to trust these people.

939
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 4: I used to watch a show like House of Cards

940
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 4: and be like, oh, come on, people are like murdering

941
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 4: people and covering up and this and that, And now

942
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know, I believe it if you

943
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 4: give me a good enough story. I believe that.

944
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: But wasn't that Kevin Spacey? Yeah, there used to be

945
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories about him.

946
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 4: Yeah that turned out to be true.

947
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: I've said this before in the podcast, but my favorite

948
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: fact about Kevin Spacey that I learned from did you

949
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: watch the documentary about him? Yeah, it's pretty disturbing, But

950
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: one fact that I gathered from watching that documentary is

951
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: that his brother is a full time Rod Stewart impersonator

952
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: that is also a limo driver dressed as Rod Stewart

953
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: and he does the interview dressed as Rod start up.

954
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is awesome, And I want to hire him

955
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 4: to like drive me around for some milestone birthday or

956
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 4: something because I used to love Rod Stewart as a

957
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 4: like ten.

958
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 1: Year old Kevin Space's brother.

959
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 4: But he could get back into the jazzy pop skipt. Okay,

960
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 4: so what are some big conspiracy theories? I'll tell you

961
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 4: if I believe them, you can you think of some

962
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 4: top your head, because that's what I'm blinking right now.

963
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: I would say, like the most famous ones, like I

964
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: do believe we landed on the moon. I don't do believe.

965
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 4: I don't like that's faked.

966
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: I go back and forth it.

967
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 4: Right now it's Kim Kardashian believes it was faked. I'm

968
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 4: heavily on the other side of believing it's real.

969
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: I mean, there's tons about the Kardashians, like, well, there's

970
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: always things that with celebrities, like they were never really

971
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: pregnant or like you know, like.

972
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 4: The Beyonce when she sat down with like the belly

973
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 4: that was crazy. And then yeah, that Chloe's not a Kardashian, Yeah,

974
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 4: OJ is her dad. That's a that's a conspiracy theory. Yeah,

975
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 4: I don't think I believe that one as much because

976
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 4: I do think she looks like her mom.

977
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: Well, modern science has made her look like her sisters now,

978
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: But if you look at how it began actually you

979
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: know Kennel, Yes, Kendall just to an interview.

980
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 4: And she says she's never had anything done, She's.

981
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 1: Never had plastic surgery done. Now, is that a conspiracy theory?

982
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 1: I don't.

983
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 4: I don't buy that.

984
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: Oh here's a conspiracy theory. What this one is about me? Oh,

985
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say if it's real or not,

986
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: but and I and I'll tell you what it is.

987
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to say, what's the truth. There

988
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: are people online that believe that my bangs are fake, Okay,

989
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: And now I don't know if they think all of

990
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: this is fake it's all a wig, or if they

991
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: think that I just worry.

992
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 4: You wish your hat off. I don't know how you

993
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 4: could have those.

994
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: Maybe I just have a clip in.

995
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 4: I think I would notice that.

996
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: But here's why people think it, because I have said

997
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 1: jokingly before that I mean I believe that there's definitely

998
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: like a a sub section of the women with banks

999
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: community that are very like witchy, and I think that

1000
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: that's what people think. They think I'm very witchy looking

1001
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: because I think it's because of the banks, And so

1002
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: I have joked before, like my bangs are fake, like

1003
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: I don't have any kind of witchy psychic abilities, aren't

1004
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: really these aren't really like they're What I meant by

1005
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: that is like they're they're broken, They're they're defective when

1006
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 1: it comes to the supernatural side of godness.

1007
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 4: They're not conducting phenomena like they're not conducting phantasmagoric currents

1008
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 4: the way that they that you.

1009
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: Don't be fooled by my bangs. Yeah, but now there's

1010
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: people I get it all the time. Sincerely, people go,

1011
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: I can't believe her bangs are fake.

1012
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 4: Well, also, your hair is so long.

1013
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: My hair looks like a wig. I don't, I don't.

1014
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 4: It's just so long. I my hair. I would love

1015
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 4: my hair to get that long. I can't it won't

1016
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 4: it like well not it used to. My kids stole

1017
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 4: it away.

1018
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: You have you always have the prettiest hair, thank you.

1019
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 4: But I used to have a lot more and it

1020
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 4: used to be longer. So I like, I like, I'm

1021
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 4: jealous of your length. I think your hair is real,

1022
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 4: and I think your banks are real. Well, I'm going

1023
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 4: to stand on the podcast right now. I'm going to

1024
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 4: stand on my truth and say that, and you guys

1025
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 4: can come for me.

1026
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: I won't say either way.

1027
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 4: They're going to come to me with the close up shots,

1028
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 4: slim them into my dms. I'll take a look at

1029
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 4: the evidence, but I'm standing in my truth, which is

1030
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 4: that that's a full head of hair.

1031
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: All right.

1032
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 4: Wait, yeah, what are other conspiras? See all my conspiracy

1033
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 4: theories are like pop culture conspiracy theories. Of course they

1034
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 4: never carried her baby.

1035
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah listen, yeah, yeah, we could start talking about the

1036
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: Epstein files. That's not fun. No, we're not talking about that.

1037
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: But there's a lot I mean, there's.

1038
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 4: A lot of conspiracy theories around the Epstein files.

1039
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: The reactions girl honey. So we're not going to get

1040
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: into that, but yeah, it's fun pop culture things. Yes,

1041
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: Dolly Pardon's arms are tattoos.

1042
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that she has full sleeves, that's I like that one.

1043
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: I like that one. Yeah.

1044
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 4: In terms of moon landing and those kind of big ones,

1045
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 4: I always tend to not believe those. But then some

1046
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 4: of the like pop culture celeb ones, I'm like, who knows.

1047
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 4: You never know what people can do with as much

1048
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 4: money as they have, what they can cover up.

1049
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're hearing more and more about it. Well, anyway,

1050
00:58:59,200 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: that's about enough.

1051
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 4: That's enough.

1052
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: That's enough fun of you, Cara, tell people, because they

1053
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: are gonna want more. Where can they find you?

1054
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 4: I have two podcasts. One is called That's Messed Up.

1055
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 4: It's right here on exactly right, new episodes on Tuesdays.

1056
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 4: I have an advice podcast with my friend Jackiezebrowski called

1057
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 4: Who's the Bitch. It's like, m I the asshole, but

1058
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 4: it's Who's the bitch. We'll tell you that's new episodes

1059
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 4: every Wednesday.

1060
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: You are definitely someone to go to for advice.

1061
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 4: I will tell you who the bitch is in the situation.

1062
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then that's it.

1063
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 4: And then I have a live show in La at

1064
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 4: Barbandini every Wednesday that Roz does.

1065
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be doing it sometime soon. I love it.

1066
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: It's a great show. All right. Well that's about it.

1067
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 4: And I'm Kara Glen on Instagram on Instagram.

1068
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: And I'm Roz Hernandez. Open up your nose the Holy Spirit.

1069
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you so much to Gara Klink and

1070
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: thank you for listening. I love you all, both living

1071
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 1: and dead.

1072
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 5: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

1073
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 5: haunt me came back. This has been an exactly right production.

1074
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 5: Want to share your paranormal experience on the podcast. I

1075
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 5: read stories out loud and sometimes I'll even call you.

1076
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 5: So email me at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.

1077
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 5: You can send a DM or voice message to the

1078
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 5: show's instagram at Ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow

1079
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 5: while you're there, and follow me Roz on Instagram at

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Speaker 5: Roz Hernandez and on TikTok and Twitter at It's roz Hernandez.

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Speaker 5: My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer

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Speaker 5: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and

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Speaker 5: sound designed by the y Edson Choi. My guest booker

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Speaker 5: is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.

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Speaker 1: My theme music is.

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Speaker 5: By the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the

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Speaker 5: Spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive

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Speaker 5: produced by the chilling Karen Kilgariff, the spooky Georgia hart Stark,

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Speaker 5: and the frightening Danielle Kramer. Listen to Ghosted by roz

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