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Speaker 1: David Lynch, his mother or father, and I never had

426
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Speaker 1: one cross word ever. Now that is kind of mother

427
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Speaker 1: in law? You want now off your son in law

428
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: on nicoll of duty and back to this. I don't

429
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Speaker 1: even what was my question. It's it's a juvenile game.

430
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: It's a juvenile childlike game. Leads me to believe that

431
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: he is the predator, he is grooming. He clear he

432
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: clearly is a predator. Being on roadblocks if if somebody

433
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: doesn't know what roadblocks is, again, it's you do know,

434
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Speaker 1: it's not r O A D B L O c

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00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: K S. It's not like a roadblock. It's r O

436
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Speaker 1: B l o X roadblocks. Don't ask me I didn't

437
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: like robots, Yeah, roadblocks? That that's yes, yes, So okay,

438
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Speaker 1: I want to go back to you. Detective Jason fill

439
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: yaw Special guests joining us Adam Monroe County, Tennessee Sheriff's Department.

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Speaker 1: He actually flew up to Wisconsin and brought Savannah home.

441
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: Savannah's in protective custody right now with the state. She

442
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: has seen her mother. She's not back in the home

443
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: with her mother. Detective, what about the other children in

444
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 1: the home. Are they still with a mother? Have they

445
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: all been removed? They're all together, all the children together

446
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: right now? Are they with the mother? Well, that's the way,

447
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: that's the way. It's just got to be. There's just

448
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: no two ways about that. To Robin Willinski, Crime online

449
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, is there any evidence this Wisconsin

450
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: thirty year old on roadblocks sip that video to anybody?

451
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: Because that's dissemination right there. That's a crime. At this point, Nancy,

452
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: we don't know. But let me just say this about

453
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: this guy. He's thirty one years old and he is

454
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: living in his mommy's basement, and he is enabled to

455
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: the point of being a child. And that's why he's

456
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: playing a child's game. But it's not a child's game.

457
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: When you add insult to injury and take this fourteen

458
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: year old, you know, the expression adding insult to injury.

459
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: This redefines that expression. He is no longer a child

460
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: when he goes and drives all that way to get

461
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: this girl and to make her do that sex act

462
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: again to get the video. Now you're talking about the

463
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: adult mind. But he is enabled living in mommy's basement.

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Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, how was this girl dead

465
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Speaker 1: in the home? I mean, it's not a big house.

466
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: And so his enabling mother, the thirty one year old's mother,

467
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: she didn't know that there was a fourteen year old

468
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Speaker 1: girl in her basement in being hidden in the closet.

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00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: Come on, now, where specifically what she found in a

470
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: house outside? She was she's family in residence in Wisconsin

471
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: and that's all. Can siding any relation to the person

472
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: who that owned this house and lives in this house

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00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: at this time, we don't believe there's any relationships to

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Speaker 1: this person. Can you say, who knows the charge that

475
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: happened today? Can you confirmed who not racharge, who's involved

476
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: in that? If she was the victim, and that I

477
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: would be the victim with her adoptive father. She is safe.

478
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: She is in custody. So that's a that's a very

479
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: good In the interviews as far as we're concerned. You

480
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: are hearing right there the Monroe County Sheriff Police Department.

481
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: That was Sheriff Tommy Jones speaking with us, his representative,

482
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: Detective Jason Phil yaw. Two special guests with us, Detective

483
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: Phil y'all and Karen Smith, forensics expert. We're hearing a

484
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: lot of evidence regarding emailing, roblocks, sending videos, but we

485
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: also know that this guy in Wisconsin, David Rogers, had

486
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Speaker 1: her send this all encrypted. What what does that mean

487
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: to you, Karen Smith? Well, I don't know what messaging

488
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: app they were using, if it was Snapchat or something

489
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: like that that automatically deletes these messages or automatically encrypts them.

490
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: But that tells me this guy Rogers has a criminal mind.

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Speaker 1: You know, color me so shocked when I found out

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Speaker 1: he was living in mommy's basement. But it also tells

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00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: me that he has a criminal mind. If you have

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Speaker 1: the foresight to tell a young child to use an

495
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: encrypted messaging app so that nothing that you say can

496
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: be found later, or at least he thought so, law enforcement,

497
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: kudos to you for unencrypting that data. That tells me

498
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: that he was planning this, He was cunning enough to

499
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: know to do that, and law enforcement had to do

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00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: that deep dive into his data and they found exactly

501
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: what they needed. This is also what we know. According

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Speaker 1: to a release by law enforcement. Roger's charged in US

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Speaker 1: District Court in Madison with knowingly persuading a mind or

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00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: to engage in a sex act for the purpose of

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00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: producing a visual depiction. I'm reading directly from the law

506
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: enforcement speak. That's why it sounds so funny. Bottom line,

507
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: he convinced her to do a sex act and video it.

508
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: Has he sent it, has he disseminated it to others?

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00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: How many times has he watched it? We also know

510
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: that he goes to Tennessee, takes her to Wisconsin. The

511
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: prosecuting attorney noted that more charges could be added when

512
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: the case is taken to the grand jury, including listen

513
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: to this transporting the minor to engage in criminal sex activity.

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00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: That tells me Roby Wilensky that he took her in

515
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: order to engage in sex with the minor. Now that's

516
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: an allegation. It has not been proved, but that's what

517
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: the law enforcement release said. He did not come all

518
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: those hours, all that way to get this girl in

519
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, in the wee hours to

520
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: take her back to his house to meet his mother

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00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: and bake cookies. Let's just say that. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Detective Jason philly'all, I asked you point blank when we

523
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: first learned about an explicit video or photo, where did

524
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: it come from? Because in my mind, you know, I thought,

525
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: did the stepfather record that? And I believe it was

526
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: you told me, somebody told me, or I learned some

527
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: way through a source it was on her phone, and

528
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: that didn't make sense to me, and I was trying

529
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: to figure out how that happened. Now we know that

530
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: according to the state, it was under the tutelage of

531
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: this Wisconsin thirty year old living with his mommy playing

532
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: roadblocks told her to do it. We know she went missing,

533
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: she was found, she was brought home by Detective Fiel y'all.

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00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: Detective fiel y'all, what was it like on that planet?

535
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: Let me back it up. What was it like when

536
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: you first saw her alive? When I first saw her,

537
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: she was actually in good spirits. She ran up, giving

538
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: me a hug. She recognized me because she had actually

539
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: been been had been keeping up with the media coverage

540
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: and she rand up giving me a big hug and

541
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: very talkative, very positive outlook for everything that she's gone through,

542
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, keep telling everybody she's an awesome kid. I'm

543
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: very impressed as uh my sheriff actually said that when

544
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: she turns eighteen, you'd like offer a job. Man, isn't

545
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: that the truth? So she could see the coverage of

546
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: her disappearance, right, yes, Detective Phil y'all, how did you

547
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 1: guys figure out she was in Wisconsin? Ye? The email

548
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: and the conversation exchanged between home sir Rogers, and we

549
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: were able to backtrack it, you know, his sell your

550
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: data and through absolutely brilliant. So Detective Jason fill y'all,

551
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: you find her, she comes up, gives you a big hug,

552
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: and you're on the plane with her. Did she want

553
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: to go back in the home with her mom? Didn't

554
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: really didn't really discuss it, I mean, didn't really come up.

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00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: She talked about her brothers and her brother and her

556
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: sisters a lot, and uh, you know, just really just

557
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: a lot of it's a lot of tips at never

558
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: really brought up going back to mom. Wanted to know

559
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: where she was going to though, you know what we're

560
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: going to happen home, told her that we were guys

561
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: and introduced her to some people. That was myself and

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00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: a high control as her that's assigned to the Joint

563
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: Tears and Tasks for the FBI, who actually went with me,

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00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: and a you know doesn't me from the Department of

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00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: Children's Services and uh so, you know, she basically spent

566
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: a lot of time with us, you know, like all

567
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: the time with us. But she was just you know,

568
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: just talkative and she was pretty positive. Um. She she

569
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: asked where she was going to go. We told her

570
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: she was going to a to a house with another

571
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: family to be with her siblings, and she was excited

572
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: about seeing her siblings. Um, but didn't really didn't really

573
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: discuss her mom that much. Can you become a little

574
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: bit of a hero and all the ladies want to

575
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: meet you, so just you don't need to tell your

576
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: wife that, but just warning. Oh but it wasn't just

577
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: to me. I mean I had a m of the

578
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: ball eight eight or nine individuals that worked on this

579
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: sying around the clock for about about four or five days.

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00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: And I mean that if it wasn't for those guys

581
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: doing what they did, we would have never broke this

582
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: case would still be looking. Oh. I know she is

583
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: safe and sound now and we are waiting for the

584
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: evidence to unfold. I guarantee my guess is they will

585
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: not have a preliminary hearing, Kathleen Murphy, because then that

586
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: would be putting a state's witness up on the stand,

587
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: and a lot of this evidence would come out public

588
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: before trial. If I were the defense attorney, which thank

589
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: god I'm not, I take a grandjury indictment. Keep my

590
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: app shut. That's what's going to happen. And so you're

591
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: absolutely right, and I think to to a court favor

592
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: with the courts and to court favor with law enforcement,

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00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: he's going to try to put on a big show.

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00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make this child tastify against me

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00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: at a preliminary hearing. We got him for him some point.

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00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: You have a little girl can have another sex act,

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00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: whether stepfather on video. I don't know how he's going

598
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: to get any favor with anybody, but that's his cannon.

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Speaker 1: Worm's not OK. We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace's

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Speaker 1: crime stories, signing off, goodbye friend,