Speaker 1: I'm reading this really good novel called The Rabbit Hutch
Speaker 1: by Tess Gunti Gunty g u n t Y. It
Speaker 1: won the National Book Award. I guess the year came out.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what year came out, but it's a
Speaker 1: recent book. It has this incredible it's so well written.
Speaker 1: She is just an incredible writer, like sentenced by sentence,
Speaker 1: like one of my favorite prose writers I've read in
Speaker 1: a long time. And she has this this sequence or
Speaker 1: this segment of the book where there's a it's not
Speaker 1: really giving anything away, but there's a character. Because it's
Speaker 1: a series of characters, and each chapter is like a
Speaker 1: different character. And I haven't gotten to the part of
Speaker 1: the novel where I think they all come kind of
Speaker 1: come together.
Speaker 2: But anyway, at one point.
Speaker 1: You you're introduced to this character whose mother was a.
Speaker 2: Very successful child actress.
Speaker 1: And lived her in higher life and was a horrible
Speaker 1: mother to him, but a very successful child actress who
Speaker 1: you know, And I just love this description so well.
Speaker 2: And you find out that she was a child actress.
Speaker 1: And then you get like three pages and I want
Speaker 1: to read you two of them because it's such an
Speaker 1: incredible description.
Speaker 2: Okay, so she was.
Speaker 1: It basically introduces her and says she was a bad mother,
Speaker 1: and then the mother's problem was that she never turned
Speaker 1: around when she heard mom in a public space. She
Speaker 1: was an actress first and only when she was four
Speaker 1: years old. Her scarlet hair and greedy parents won her
Speaker 1: the professional lottery, and she had been working since the
Speaker 1: age of five. Baptized in binary waters of worship and disgust.
Speaker 1: You're perfect, You're doing everything wrong. Hush, speak up, You're clever,
Speaker 1: you pretty little idiot. Show us your dance. Hold still,
Speaker 1: give us a song. Be quiet, imitate, be an original.
Speaker 1: You're just like her and her and her. Dazzle us.
Speaker 1: Don't draw attention to yourself. All eyes on you. You're
Speaker 1: not the center of the universe. You're perfect.
Speaker 2: What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: She was the nation's supply of sugar in the acrid
Speaker 1: years following World War Two, a time of traumatized father's
Speaker 1: economic prosperity and an international deficit of psychological health. Her
Speaker 1: job never allowed her to be a child, so her
Speaker 1: psychology never allowed her to age. It was not advisable
Speaker 1: for a child to have a child, but she so
Speaker 1: childish like to disobey in her teens and twenties, The
Speaker 1: actress built herself a fortress of glass and mirror and
Speaker 1: held whimsical parties there. Bad things happened to the young actress,
Speaker 1: as they often did. Rejection, rape, anorexia, addiction, cast aside
Speaker 1: by an older married man, her first love, as the
Speaker 1: director warned, horrible whigs. But mostly the violence was administered
Speaker 1: by the attention, which was the wrong kind of light.
Speaker 1: Radiation that burned her gave her melanoma of the spirit.
Speaker 1: She learned to grip and collect the things she liked,
Speaker 1: learned that pleasure was the intravenous nutrient that could keep
Speaker 1: her alive. To frame it that way was dramatic, she knew,
Speaker 1: But then again, she was dramatic. So what she could
Speaker 1: say to the army of bad knights that appeared at
Speaker 1: her gate, I still have all these strapping good nights.
Speaker 1: She invented a religion of pleasure and dedicated herself to it.
Speaker 1: She was petite, All her friends were enormous. She liked
Speaker 1: alcohol and drugs. She liked traveling between realms of consciousness
Speaker 1: without going through security or stamping her passport.
Speaker 2: She liked force.
Speaker 3: How if you were.
Speaker 1: Strong enough, you could make anyone do anything. She liked
Speaker 1: avocado three days ripe. She did not like the ocean
Speaker 1: and accuse people of bragging when they claimed to love it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes she'd sit in front of the Pacific and try
Speaker 1: to feel something, but her heart was too landlocked, too midwestern.
Speaker 1: All she felt when she looked at the ocean was
Speaker 1: the presence of the absence of all. Isn't that amazing
Speaker 1: at somebody who's met a child act?
Speaker 2: I just you can be what.
Speaker 1: A way to describe, right, And just like in two pages,
Speaker 1: you know this entire woman's life. You know everything about her,
Speaker 1: you know why she's the way she is. It's so
Speaker 1: it's funny, it's fun to read. It's just one of
Speaker 1: the you guys should read this book.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. And this is a sidecarre.
Speaker 1: This is like not the main character, you know, like
Speaker 1: always her son is.
Speaker 2: One of the main characters. Just brilliant. I just yeah,
Speaker 2: what an what an author?
Speaker 4: Oh and by the way, how amazing to teach you
Speaker 4: about your character by going so in depth in just
Speaker 4: two pages about the person who raised that character. You
Speaker 4: now have such an understanding of what he must be like,
Speaker 4: having craved attention and comfort and security and looked to
Speaker 4: the person like that for you know, a moral compass
Speaker 4: and uh, you know affection love Like wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you also feel really sorry for someone you hate, right,
Speaker 1: which is interesting.
Speaker 2: That's the best writing, does that, right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, And I just love like you know, we've
Speaker 1: we've made the joke or made the comment that fame
Speaker 1: is trauma, you know, and like this is such an
Speaker 1: accurate way to describe that. Like basically, you know, it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's dramatic, but that was kind of why she
Speaker 1: was who she was.
Speaker 2: It's like so all the sort of paradoxes of success.
Speaker 1: You know, at a young age, and like how that
Speaker 1: it's not just that though, it's also the the one
Speaker 1: that hit me the most is and I never got
Speaker 1: this from my parents, but you get it.
Speaker 3: Got it from early managers and agents the.
Speaker 1: Be quiet now dance exactly. We want you to be
Speaker 1: exactly like everybody else, but be original. It's it's oh
Speaker 1: my god, like that whole paragraph of just like I
Speaker 1: don't want anyone to see you now be the center
Speaker 1: of attention, and it's yeah, it's so good, very very.
Speaker 2: I know, man, it's really like it makes me mootual like, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really well done.
Speaker 4: Say the name of the book and the author Warmer
Speaker 4: Time for the Rabbit Hutch by Test Gunty. The Rabbit
Speaker 4: Hutch by Test Hunty. I know me too, I'm going
Speaker 4: to read it. I'm currently reading The Silent Patient.
Speaker 2: M Yes, oh I read that you audiobook?
Speaker 5: Yees.
Speaker 6: Oh it's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've devoured it. I just started it on Sunday
Speaker 4: and I'm more than halfway down to so fast really
Speaker 4: great reading. Will what are you reading right now? What
Speaker 4: fantasy novel are you reading?
Speaker 3: Actually?
Speaker 7: I am like almost done with Mina Savar's memoirs. I'm
Speaker 7: on kind of an actor memoir kick.
Speaker 1: Oh, so this is this passes that I read? It's
Speaker 1: perfect then, yeah, exactly, That's why I kind of brought
Speaker 1: it back to that. So yeah, not quite done with
Speaker 1: that one yet. But she sent copies to all of us,
Speaker 1: So I'm reading that one.
Speaker 6: I love that. I did not get my copy.
Speaker 3: Oh you didn't, really you got a copy.
Speaker 2: She only mailed you a copy.
Speaker 3: Maybe she didn't mail it. Maybe I bought it. Maybe
Speaker 3: I bought it. I can't remember. I'm trying to think.
Speaker 7: Somebody said, you clicked on Amazon Alison Stoner. Alison Stoner,
Speaker 7: they sent me their their memoir, but I have not
Speaker 7: read their memoir yet, so that might be next. But yes,
Speaker 7: I think I bought Minasavars after she came on the
Speaker 7: pod and told us about how tough her life was.
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I want to read your book.
Speaker 3: So I think that's what it was.
Speaker 6: Okay, welcome to Pod Meets World.
Speaker 4: I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilfordell.
Speaker 4: When Pod Meets World debuted back in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 4: there were a handful of fan led boy Meets World
Speaker 4: podcasts in the ether, and the last thing we wanted
Speaker 4: to do was walk into the scene the three child
Speaker 4: stars of the show and pretend they didn't exist. And
Speaker 4: so we did our due diligence and found.
Speaker 6: Our favorite Bruh meets World. And since we were looking
Speaker 6: for a fan.
Speaker 4: Voice to come in at the end of every season
Speaker 4: to ask questions and make sure we didn't miss anything,
Speaker 4: a tradition was born. For the past six seasons, TC
Speaker 4: and Siege, who had already finished their own Rewatch, have
Speaker 4: swung by to fill in the gaps and speak for
Speaker 4: the masses. And to close the loop, they are doing
Speaker 4: it again. What do they want to know about season
Speaker 4: seven and the end of the show that we didn't
Speaker 4: cover or is there just anything they want to know
Speaker 4: more about let's find out. Let's please welcome to the
Speaker 4: podcast Bruh Meets World.
Speaker 8: Yeah, guess who's back.
Speaker 6: Up our tradition. I can't believe it.
Speaker 9: You can't believe it's been the seven seasons already.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's it's.
Speaker 7: Really I know, it really has I know when it
Speaker 7: came to a screeching halt.
Speaker 6: Sure, you guys warned us.
Speaker 4: You guys warned us that we were not gonna love
Speaker 4: season seven. You had hinted to it even way back
Speaker 4: at the very beginning of us doing this, and then
Speaker 4: as we closer and closer to it, the hints.
Speaker 6: Ramped up a little bit. So here we are.
Speaker 4: We're so excited to talk to you about your thoughts,
Speaker 4: your thoughts on our season.
Speaker 6: Uh, get to your questions and all of that.
Speaker 9: Well, you know, I want start with the question you
Speaker 9: typically ask us. Okay, every time you come on here,
Speaker 9: you're like, Hey, did we ruin anything for you guys?
Speaker 8: And you know.
Speaker 9: Traditionally we're like, actually, no, you didn't really ruin anything.
Speaker 9: For a lot of insight, all those things.
Speaker 8: Still are true.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess the question is we have for you
Speaker 9: after watching seven years of this show, has any of
Speaker 9: it been ruined for you?
Speaker 6: Great question? No, not for me.
Speaker 4: I feel like I finally have a true understanding of
Speaker 4: why this show is something people still care about thirty
Speaker 4: years later, and why so many people say Boy Meets
Speaker 4: World raised me. I understand why they see themselves.
Speaker 6: In you know, Corey, Sean Topanga, Eric, Why now as.
Speaker 4: Adults they see themselves in Alan Amy and Feenie. I
Speaker 4: feel like I have now now joined the ranks of
Speaker 4: the biggest Boy Meets World fans, Whereas before I just thought,
Speaker 4: well this people like this show.
Speaker 6: I guess that's must be how people feel about all shows.
Speaker 6: You know, there's but I really feel like I understand now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree, it's see. Season seven is definitely.
Speaker 2: Not a great way to end.
Speaker 5: It's too bad.
Speaker 1: Like I hate, I hate like that are even our
Speaker 1: recap ends this way? You know, Like I hate that
Speaker 1: this is the end of the journey. It's not it's
Speaker 1: not fulfilling in that. But if I think right now
Speaker 1: about like if you could just do a boy Meets
Speaker 1: World roulette and just put up an episode. It would
Speaker 1: fill me with so much warmth and it would be
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm looking forward to rewatching episodes of Boyb's
Speaker 1: World now because I've been through all seven seasons and
Speaker 1: I think it's great and the feeling of like memories
Speaker 1: that would come back just from watching now that we've
Speaker 1: gone through all the show, Like, I totally get it.
Speaker 2: I totally get why this becomes.
Speaker 1: A comfort show for people because it's like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: feel like you've been with these characters for so long.
Speaker 1: I like the thought of us that like in high
Speaker 1: school or us in sixth grade is just so it
Speaker 1: fills me with more than like positive memories. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. It's a good show.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree with everything they said one hundred percent. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to go back and watch it again. I
Speaker 1: really And one of the things that I've been excited
Speaker 1: about is the fact that I get to watch it
Speaker 1: without rules.
Speaker 3: Like we've been very strict with each other.
Speaker 1: We do one at a time, we're not jumping ahead
Speaker 1: we were, and now I can go, Okay.
Speaker 7: I can watch two or three a night, you know,
Speaker 7: I can. I can't wait to go back and see
Speaker 7: us young again. I feel like the journey has been
Speaker 7: so long that going back and seeing season one again
Speaker 7: is going to be such a trip. So no, this
Speaker 7: is absolutely enhanced Boy Meets World for me in every
Speaker 7: possible way. And yeah, I'm overall I'm so happy with
Speaker 7: the show and the work we did.
Speaker 8: I really am.
Speaker 4: I loved what writer said about the Roulette wheel that
Speaker 4: you're right if you put a roulette wheel with episodes
Speaker 4: from all seven seasons, even if it landed on an
Speaker 4: episode where we were like, oh, this is a bad one,
Speaker 4: my feeling, my feeling would be all right, let's here
Speaker 4: we go.
Speaker 1: Even watching a bad episode sounds like fun, doesn't it,
Speaker 1: Like let's rewatch the Honeymooners.
Speaker 2: Let's do it be like sure knows this.
Speaker 9: You can find this on certain like ebays and certain
Speaker 9: websites where it's like a little mini television that's like
Speaker 9: preloaded every episode of the Simpsons and you turn it
Speaker 9: on and it just randomly goes to an episode I
Speaker 9: started watching.
Speaker 8: So there needs to be a Boy Meets World equivalent
Speaker 8: to that.
Speaker 3: It should be a VHS. You have to pop in,
Speaker 3: you have to rewind you.
Speaker 4: Should have to pay one hunds one season one season
Speaker 4: show even if you're on it.
Speaker 3: Man, I love it.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 9: We have a lot that we can say about season seven.
Speaker 9: Like we said, we've already kind of like warned you
Speaker 9: how we felt about it. But one of the takeaways
Speaker 9: that you know, I was listening to our last episode
Speaker 9: is we were.
Speaker 8: Talking about how dark season six was.
Speaker 9: You know, for all of the wackiness and the wildness
Speaker 9: that season seven was, it definitely wasn't as trauma filled
Speaker 9: as season six. There were some benefits I think to
Speaker 9: season seven, even if it has a reputation of not
Speaker 9: being very good.
Speaker 5: Were you talking about this very often when we were
Speaker 5: doing it.
Speaker 10: We were like there were just certain things that we
Speaker 10: were listening to this season, and we can tell you
Speaker 10: guys were kind of like doing what you can to
Speaker 10: just get through it. Me you know, having some personal
Speaker 10: health breaks in between, just because it got really rough
Speaker 10: in moments, but like things where it's like we started
Speaker 10: off with the Monkey as well, and we were like,
Speaker 10: what is this monkey episode?
Speaker 5: How far have we fallen?
Speaker 10: And then by like halfway through season seven, you're like,
Speaker 10: I got to miss.
Speaker 3: The Monkey yup.
Speaker 9: Like for even for how wacky episodes like the Truman
Speaker 9: Show episode was in season six, like at least it
Speaker 9: still was trying to teach Eric something. It was pushing
Speaker 9: him too something. A lot of the wackiness and here
Speaker 9: feels very misplaced. And so you know, as as this
Speaker 9: joint of that season six feels, it kind of feels
Speaker 9: like a more cohesive season in a lot of ways
Speaker 9: than this one.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: We talked about the idea that season seven, even if
Speaker 4: there were some good moments or good storylines, very rare
Speaker 4: to find a solid episode where it was like, oh,
Speaker 4: both A and B storyline feel you know, grounded.
Speaker 6: In reality at all, or you know, true to character.
Speaker 6: It was always like I kind of like this part,
Speaker 6: but what the f is going on over here? Like
Speaker 6: how was this happening?
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 7: We also talked about the fact that it's a little
Speaker 7: jarring because the good episodes of season seven aren't necessarily great,
Speaker 7: where the bad episodes of season seven are really back.
Speaker 3: So it's you.
Speaker 1: Know, there are bad episodes of the other seasons too,
Speaker 1: but they were they.
Speaker 3: Weren't horribly bad.
Speaker 7: Where there were some season seven where we finished and
Speaker 7: it was like how how did we even make that episode?
Speaker 3: I mean, and thankfully they're way to.
Speaker 2: Get through the week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean low and the highs are mid, yes, right, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And it was so it was very strange, and I
Speaker 1: you know, I had this correlation. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I've ever spoken about this before, but I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of the show.
Speaker 6: Mash what like, yes, so detail Marsh.
Speaker 3: Was a show from the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 7: So one of the things that Mash did that was
Speaker 7: really interesting that we did in the reverse was that
Speaker 7: it in the early years of Mash, when it was
Speaker 7: a wacky show, it would take like they did a
Speaker 7: storyline where this colonel comes in. They want to get
Speaker 7: him off the front lines because he's so crazy, so
Speaker 7: they take out his appendix and it's a big wacky
Speaker 7: like and then in season ten they do exactly the
Speaker 7: same storyline as a drama.
Speaker 1: Should Hawkeye take out the guy's appendix? No, the other
Speaker 1: doctors fight, Why don't you stab him? And it was
Speaker 1: literally the same storyline. And I get that with like
Speaker 1: Chick Like Me and what a Drag where it's like,
Speaker 1: wait a second, you've got chick like Me? Where you
Speaker 1: take something about real gender issues, and you do it
Speaker 1: in a way that is so important to this not
Speaker 1: only the show, but to the point where Ryder had
Speaker 1: kind of inexperience throughout the week and then you go, well,
Speaker 1: we're going to do kind of the same thing with Eric,
Speaker 1: but now it's going to be a ridiculous rump. And
Speaker 1: so they did the reverse of like what mass shows,
Speaker 1: where it's like you take the same storylines and they
Speaker 1: made them worse.
Speaker 3: So they did.
Speaker 1: There was a couple versions of that in this in
Speaker 1: this season that I thought were very glaring.
Speaker 3: So that was weird to me.
Speaker 9: Well, it just feels like that this season they stopped
Speaker 9: trying to teach the characters lessons in a lot of ways.
Speaker 9: And I don't know if the removal of the classroom
Speaker 9: had a part to play in that, but it's definitely
Speaker 9: a noticeable absence, Like Feenie, just the way the role
Speaker 9: that school played it, all the way that, like every
Speaker 9: Shakespeare play had something to do with what you were
Speaker 9: doing that week, there's no relation to that, which I
Speaker 9: think is you know, for a show that's based in college,
Speaker 9: feels very weird.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we actually had we appreciated you acknowledging the fact
Speaker 10: that all the season and six leads up to Peoenie
Speaker 10: getting married to the Dean and then we never see
Speaker 10: the Dean again anything. The moments like that were it's
Speaker 10: just like, well, in terms of like character continuation, it's
Speaker 10: just like Peoenie just becomes unmarried until like they mentioned
Speaker 10: her once, I believe later in the season because of
Speaker 10: the rumor mill, and you know, there are lots of
Speaker 10: things like that. Another thing with season seven that we
Speaker 10: thought would be interesting is maybe if you reorganized season
Speaker 10: seven it could work because some of the storylines are
Speaker 10: actually pretty interesting with the characters that we talked about
Speaker 10: the fact that we would have liked if Jack got
Speaker 10: cut off from his stepfather at the beginning of the.
Speaker 1: Season, and then maybe yeah, yeah, yeah, roulette idea.
Speaker 10: There's a form of season seven where it's like, if
Speaker 10: you rearrange the episodes, you kind of have something there.
Speaker 1: But well, I mean again, we literally didn't know that
Speaker 1: we were going to get this many episodes, so we
Speaker 1: assumed thirteen and done, and we were thinking that until
Speaker 1: like episode nine or ten.
Speaker 9: What's strange about that is that if you watch those
Speaker 9: first thirteen, it doesn't seem like a show that's leading somewhere.
Speaker 8: It doesn't seem like a show that knows it's ending.
Speaker 6: We asked someone, was it Jeff that we.
Speaker 1: Acted who didn't know unfortunately because he wasn't there for
Speaker 1: most of season seven?
Speaker 3: Was it Jeff?
Speaker 4: We asked someone and they said, no, we knew all
Speaker 4: along that it was going to be twenty two episodes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, which we didn't because I mean the perfect examples.
Speaker 7: Ryder and I were doing our documentary at the end,
Speaker 7: behind the scenes joke documentary, and we got called into
Speaker 7: Michael's office going, you guys have some more time.
Speaker 3: We actually just got our back nine. We're like, okay, great,
Speaker 3: So we thought we were doing thirteen.
Speaker 4: So I wonder if it was reshuffled once we knew
Speaker 4: we had the back nine, because truly.
Speaker 6: The middle of the season is win. It just tanks
Speaker 6: and yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it's because they were leading up to the wedding.
Speaker 1: I think the whole point of this season was let's
Speaker 1: treadwater until we have a wedding episode, and the wedding
Speaker 1: episode will be a big ratings hit, which will get
Speaker 1: us the back nine. So you if that happens, what
Speaker 1: episode eight is the wedding or whatever? Seven or eight
Speaker 1: and then they had no idea what to do because
Speaker 1: there was no plan beyond that, and we got the
Speaker 1: back nine.
Speaker 2: So then those next.
Speaker 1: Four are probably the worst four episodes in a row
Speaker 1: of Boy meets Honeymooners.
Speaker 6: Uh, honeymoon is over.
Speaker 2: To drag. It's like boom boom boom.
Speaker 5: It's so bad.
Speaker 2: It's so bad.
Speaker 7: Well, also to to what you were saying, I think
Speaker 7: Tony you said this is is that or it might
Speaker 7: have been us It was it was the idea that
Speaker 7: forever on Boy Meets World, the adults were treated a
Speaker 7: very specific way.
Speaker 3: They were The teachers were teachers.
Speaker 7: They were not to be made fun of, they were
Speaker 7: not to be marginalized.
Speaker 3: The parents were a certain way.
Speaker 1: And you get to season seven and like even think
Speaker 1: of the funny thing of like the professors coming in
Speaker 1: and what's your what's your class?
Speaker 7: And I think the teachers were no longer teachers. Feenie
Speaker 7: was a totally different kind of character. The parents relationship changed.
Speaker 1: So when they took the parents kind of out of
Speaker 1: the equation, the show to me lost itself. It just
Speaker 1: it really when we were left to our own devices
Speaker 1: as characters without that parental guidance and Feenie guidance. You
Speaker 1: see how important that was to the show, was a
Speaker 1: hugely important aspect of the show that when you removed it,
Speaker 1: it kind of fell apart.
Speaker 10: You know, the show starts off as a family show
Speaker 10: in the sense of like you know the Matthews and
Speaker 10: you know Corey's friends, and then by season seven it's
Speaker 10: more of a found family show, kind of in the
Speaker 10: loop of friends. But what's interesting about that is to
Speaker 10: your point, well, I think there something kind of got
Speaker 10: lost in the translation of Hey, this is about a
Speaker 10: family and their neighbor and the community that makes them better,
Speaker 10: and then it just become kind of it tries to
Speaker 10: be friends, but without actually giving each of the friends
Speaker 10: their own development.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we definitely I think suffered because of the
Speaker 4: popularity of Friends and us wanting to try to fit
Speaker 4: in the writers or network wanting us to try.
Speaker 6: And be a that we're a younger version of that.
Speaker 4: Because I agree that the grounding, the entire gravitas of
Speaker 4: the show was that we were.
Speaker 6: Even if even without being kids.
Speaker 4: It's beautiful to see college kids, you know, have the
Speaker 4: guardrails off and to see that they can still lose
Speaker 4: their way and they need an adult to come in
Speaker 4: and say, I've been in your shoes.
Speaker 6: Here's how I can help you. We lost quite a
Speaker 6: bit of that.
Speaker 10: I don't want to say that we didn't want to
Speaker 10: point out that there were like Tony pointed out that
Speaker 10: you really made us appreciate things work, like we've always
Speaker 10: loved the comedy in this but like the way that
Speaker 10: you all like Praiseman and his comedic timing and the
Speaker 10: fact that he was just trying to make you guys laugh.
Speaker 10: I think, you know, as you said, a lot of
Speaker 10: people can watch this show and fall in love with
Speaker 10: the characters just because they can see how much fun
Speaker 10: you were having on set and the number of times
Speaker 10: that were you guys like we were just trying to
Speaker 10: make each other laugh.
Speaker 5: Like that comes through.
Speaker 10: And then Danielle's season seven, we talk about the fact
Speaker 10: that Tapega actually drives the story of season seven.
Speaker 5: It's her decisions throughout her season seven.
Speaker 10: It's her season really of course, like they're not going
Speaker 10: to let her take the driver's seat, but for the
Speaker 10: most part everything that it's to Penga's refusal of getting
Speaker 10: married in the beginning, it's her acceptance and getting married
Speaker 10: in the middle, it's her needing a place to live,
Speaker 10: it's her going for the job that actually changes everyone
Speaker 10: else's trajectory. This becomes to Panga's season, and on top
Speaker 10: of which we get to see you, Danielle do so
Speaker 10: much more comedy. It was really fun to watch you
Speaker 10: just kind of become one of the gang in the
Speaker 10: sense of like you and Chlory had your hygiens you
Speaker 10: you know, like can you even get paired up with
Speaker 10: Will More?
Speaker 5: And these things were or some of the positives of
Speaker 5: season seven.
Speaker 6: I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 4: And it was actually one of the things I talked
Speaker 4: about when we wrapped up our overall feelings for the show.
Speaker 4: I said, I wish I really in the moment because
Speaker 4: season seven was so hard for me. Internally, I so
Speaker 4: had such senioritis. But when I watch it, I am
Speaker 4: I'm having so much fun. Like external Danielle on the
Speaker 4: show is the most comfortable, the most relaxed, the most
Speaker 4: funny I had ever been in any other season. And
Speaker 4: yet internally I was I would have jumped out of
Speaker 4: a fourth story window. If I wouldn't, I would have
Speaker 4: get to get out. So it's wild that when I
Speaker 4: watch it, I'm like this is some of my best working.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean, I agree with you.
Speaker 4: I did want to point out, c J that you
Speaker 4: said that they weren't ever going to let me take
Speaker 4: the driver's seat and that is just because women cannot drive.
Speaker 6: So I do want to just.
Speaker 3: It's not true.
Speaker 1: We've been working with you in parking lots during the day,
Speaker 1: two men around you.
Speaker 6: I know, the men have been so helpful and to
Speaker 6: teach me, and.
Speaker 3: She's doing great.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we joked that like Danielle kind of is the
Speaker 9: driver of this season, but like an uber black driver,
Speaker 9: Like no one's talking to her because we ended the
Speaker 9: season thinking like, oh, I mean everyone is going to
Speaker 9: New York because it's pegas, so really like, is this
Speaker 9: is this really Corey's journey or is this pangas to
Speaker 9: become world right?
Speaker 8: Exactly exactly.
Speaker 12: Yeah, So to that point, it's funny that you, like,
Speaker 12: you know, we've had this kind of conversation with you
Speaker 12: guys since season one, and one of the things that
Speaker 12: we've kind of adopted since watching you guys is the
Speaker 12: best women are men, Because it's really funny that that's
Speaker 12: just kind of like seen throughout and we also noticed
Speaker 12: that in season seven it has several female writers, and
Speaker 12: we will we will see topics and you can tell
Speaker 12: and I wanted to know, like we can tell as viewers,
Speaker 12: but could you tell as like producers.
Speaker 10: And writers that all right, this script came in kind
Speaker 10: of from a female centered point of view and then
Speaker 10: there was movement in the background, because it kind of.
Speaker 5: Feels that way when you watch it.
Speaker 10: I was like, the idea of this, yes, but how
Speaker 10: we got with the final results?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean in the Angela's storyline the most I mean we
Speaker 1: talked about it's like she is like she all these
Speaker 1: big life decisions are made, but she doesn't get to
Speaker 1: make them. It's literally Sean and her dad debating what
Speaker 1: she should do, and she needs to learn her lesson
Speaker 1: by deciding which one of them to listen to.
Speaker 2: That's like, what, that's not a choice?
Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's like you give her agency conceptually
Speaker 1: and then you actually remove it through the course of
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 2: It's bonkers.
Speaker 9: It's so even just as we're talking about Angela. The
Speaker 9: I think the deeper issue with Angela that like upset
Speaker 9: me the most as a viewer was that it seemed
Speaker 9: like her story arc since she was introduced was I
Speaker 9: need to open myself up to love. I need to
Speaker 9: open myself up and trust someone again after being abandoned
Speaker 9: by my mom. And so it seems like she makes
Speaker 9: effort through her relationship with Sean.
Speaker 8: They heal each other in that way.
Speaker 9: So to have her disappear without kind of even inviting
Speaker 9: Sean to come along or presenting an opportunity for that
Speaker 9: love to continue feels like it's taking back all the
Speaker 9: work we've done on her character over the last few season.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, well.
Speaker 1: It also it amazed me during that episode how low
Speaker 1: the stakes were, meaning like I'm going to go to
Speaker 1: Europe for a year, Okay, in a month, I'll see
Speaker 1: to I'll come, I'll visit you, you visit me, I'll see.
Speaker 2: In a bit like a summer vacation.
Speaker 10: Like who's more likely to like we come? We struggled
Speaker 10: with angels lashes because we were very, very much of
Speaker 10: the mindset of Sean would absolutely go to Europe. Of course,
Speaker 10: who better to go and sit in a cafe and
Speaker 10: learn about the old world and have these conversations Like again,
Speaker 10: we understand that like Sean became kind of like a
Speaker 10: doppelganger writer, but it's just like that means that you
Speaker 10: can absolutely see Sean in Europe succeeding Sean becomes Ricky.
Speaker 3: He gets to go become Ricky exactly.
Speaker 1: It's so awful because in Sean's final moments of the
Speaker 1: second to last episode, he's like, well, I gotta stay
Speaker 1: here because I have a family, and makes a joke
Speaker 1: It's like, I have nothing to stay for it.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, so go with Angela. You have nothing
Speaker 2: to like what it's already.
Speaker 4: I'd like to just be a little bit of a
Speaker 4: devil's advocate here in the idea that.
Speaker 6: Any for any.
Speaker 4: Seven or twenty one year old, however old, we are
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one year old, when their significant other is
Speaker 4: going on a trip that they have been invited on
Speaker 4: by their father, it is extremely presumptuous to be like,
Speaker 4: I'll just go with you. No one invited him. And
Speaker 4: Angela's storyline in that was don't say goodbye.
Speaker 6: This isn't goodbye. She is acting more like.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to spend this quality time with my
Speaker 4: dad that you don't get to have. Even though it's
Speaker 4: said in a little bit of a you know, maybe
Speaker 4: insensitive way, but she she enough way she's been changed
Speaker 4: by Sean is recognizing that you're the people that mean
Speaker 4: the most to you can be taken from you at
Speaker 4: a moment's notice. And she was abandoned by her mother.
Speaker 4: Her father regularly is not in her life because of
Speaker 4: his travels, and she now gets to go and be
Speaker 4: with him. She's actually made the choice that she would
Speaker 4: like to focus on that relationship right now and put
Speaker 4: this relationship with Sean on what she knows or hopes
Speaker 4: to be a pause.
Speaker 7: I want to see that episode because that's not the
Speaker 7: episode I saw, because I want us. That's a great
Speaker 7: episode of Angela coming up with that idea of no,
Speaker 7: I've got to be with Sean, I've got to be
Speaker 7: with Sean, and then realizing no, I've spent no time
Speaker 7: with my dad. I want to take this year with
Speaker 7: my dad, and having that scene with Sean.
Speaker 1: That's the episode I want to see. That would have
Speaker 1: been an incredible episode.
Speaker 4: Also such a wonderful polar opposite to Corey and Topanga
Speaker 4: Yea for her to be like, I have the rest
Speaker 4: of my life to devote to se.
Speaker 6: I have the rest of my life. I don't know
Speaker 6: how much longer I'm going to have my father.
Speaker 5: Just kind of like echo what you were saying. I
Speaker 5: I think that that is the choice.
Speaker 10: And I loved when we were listening to your episode
Speaker 10: you said that the agent that she is showing agency
Speaker 10: again in the background, because she's.
Speaker 5: Never made the foreground background. She's story agency.
Speaker 3: Camera, although we would have to do it off camera.
Speaker 6: It is messy when women make choices, you don't want
Speaker 6: to watch it.
Speaker 10: But to that point, my counter with that with the
Speaker 10: series is then Danielle, I'm not Danielle to Panga.
Speaker 5: Decides that Sean's moving to New York. So I know
Speaker 5: this idea.
Speaker 10: Of like the grand gesture or not being invited and all.
Speaker 5: This other stuff. It's like Sean was.
Speaker 10: Just brought to New York like without any conversation as well.
Speaker 5: So to me, I think there is a world.
Speaker 10: Especially in a in a series that promotes love overall
Speaker 10: and your partner and the fact that like Sean is
Speaker 10: supposed to want what Corey has, there's a world where
Speaker 10: we get the if you want to be friends grand
Speaker 10: gesture of you know what sewn at the end of
Speaker 10: the series, like, hey, if you're moving to New York,
Speaker 10: I'm going to Europe.
Speaker 7: That's what you want, the goodwill, hunting ending you want,
Speaker 7: I'm going to see about a girl, that's what that's.
Speaker 3: What you want.
Speaker 5: Well, hunting ending would have been fantastic.
Speaker 9: And not to take away from Angela, but I think
Speaker 9: that Sean's you know, we were kind of thinking about
Speaker 9: Seawan's journey throughout the entire series, and to me, Sean's
Speaker 9: story is about trying to find a home, trying to
Speaker 9: find a place where he belongs. And multiple times he
Speaker 9: was like, hey, you can stay with the Matthews. No,
Speaker 9: I'd rather go with Turner. Hey, we'll adopt you. You
Speaker 9: can become part of the Matthews. He's like, I don't
Speaker 9: want to do that. I want to find a home.
Speaker 9: I want to try to make this relationship with my
Speaker 9: dad work. I'm going to try to move in with
Speaker 9: my brother to see if that works. He is trying
Speaker 9: to find something that's of his own, and yet at
Speaker 9: the end of the series, instead of doing something for himself,
Speaker 9: he could continues to be codependent upon with Corey and
Speaker 9: do whatever Corey does, and so it feels like, yeah,
Speaker 9: Angela does have the agency, but Sean has no agency
Speaker 9: in this decision. He's just going along with whatever his
Speaker 9: options are. That's and it's like the series was teaching
Speaker 9: him to do more than that and to become more
Speaker 9: than that.
Speaker 7: I think that, unfortunately, had was dictated a lot by
Speaker 7: the fact that Michael really wanted to do another show
Speaker 7: with the four of us in New York, right sure,
Speaker 7: And so because of that, the idea you can't have
Speaker 7: Sean leave and go to Europe, because again, that's the
Speaker 7: that's the ending everybody wants.
Speaker 3: You want Eric to look.
Speaker 7: At you want everybody Corey to pang it to go
Speaker 7: off to New York, and Eric and Sean to go Now,
Speaker 7: we've got to go find ourselves without this dynamic around us.
Speaker 7: That's what you wanted to have happened, or at least
Speaker 7: what I wanted to have happened. But the idea was then, well,
Speaker 7: now it's going to be friends in New York and
Speaker 7: you're gonna we're gonna bring in all new characters and
Speaker 7: you're gonna have the four of you and that so
Speaker 7: I think because of that, we were kind of pigeonholed
Speaker 7: into Well, now it's the four of us leaving to
Speaker 7: New York because again Eric makes no decision whatsoever. You
Speaker 7: find out off camera that a pay Carently he decided
Speaker 7: to go and we still don't know. Did they all
Speaker 7: drop out of college? Eric graduated, but what is everybody
Speaker 7: else doing? So it was just the idea of getting
Speaker 7: the four of us together somewhere.
Speaker 3: In the hopes of them doing a new show about it.
Speaker 3: It's unfortunately what we were stuck with at the end there.
Speaker 9: You know, you guys have mentioned a few times the
Speaker 9: kind of behind the scenes of the spin.
Speaker 8: Off, but also how the season felt.
Speaker 9: Like more of an opportunity for people to write and
Speaker 9: direct who didn't get a chance, versus focusing on telling
Speaker 9: the best story possible. And I think that brought a
Speaker 9: lot of insight to some of the holes that we
Speaker 9: saw throughout the season too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so too for sure.
Speaker 10: Do your point, Well, what I think is interesting is
Speaker 10: we talked heavily about and we've talked about this throughout
Speaker 10: the season. School is so important to my Michael Jacobs.
Speaker 10: It's so important that we go, that you graduate, that
Speaker 10: you you know, college is a must.
Speaker 8: You have a multi season arc of trying to get
Speaker 8: into college, like that's how important it was.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Yet we never see Eric cross that graduation stage,
Speaker 10: and to us that is a lost opportunity of season seven,
Speaker 10: like like I wanted to know, Like is I just
Speaker 10: I don't know, And maybe it is. It's like I
Speaker 10: don't see Eric going to New York and then continuing.
Speaker 5: School because we have him graduating.
Speaker 10: So it just feels like we've told everyone how important
Speaker 10: going to college was and then we don't even spend
Speaker 10: time actually watching Eric accomplish one of the things that
Speaker 10: the series itself said was never an option for him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I agree, there's I mean again, there's a
Speaker 7: lot of different things.
Speaker 1: How I've been thinking about it a lot lately. You know,
Speaker 1: had I gotten a chance to decide what happened in
Speaker 1: season seven, Eric and Jack would never have moved moved
Speaker 1: in together. Eric would still live at home, which would
Speaker 1: keep the entire family together. He's still next to Feeni,
Speaker 1: and he's getting all the the you know, those lessons,
Speaker 1: and you keep.
Speaker 3: That entire storyline alive.
Speaker 7: Then have Jack and Rachel maybe as a couple, move
Speaker 7: them in together. You have you have Sean and Angel
Speaker 7: as a couple, and you have Corey and Tapang as
Speaker 7: a couple. That dynamic I think would have worked really
Speaker 7: really well, because otherwise everything just kind of got thrown together.
Speaker 7: But yeah, really and again it was in the long
Speaker 7: run for a lot of careers, it was a good thing.
Speaker 1: Season seven gave people the opportunity to direct and gave
Speaker 1: people the opportunity to write, and people that maybe would
Speaker 1: not have had the opportunity.
Speaker 3: Steve Hayfer comes right to mind.
Speaker 7: You went off and had a huge directing career, And
Speaker 7: there's a lot of people that came in Lynn McCracken
Speaker 7: that were given a shot that they deserved years ago
Speaker 7: that now because we got especially the extra episodes, they
Speaker 7: were allowed to do that.
Speaker 3: So in that sense it was wonderful.
Speaker 7: In the continuity storyline sense, it didn't help the show
Speaker 7: very much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I do think that feeling impacted us on
Speaker 4: set more than we realize. I think that feeling of
Speaker 4: these characters we were told and taught to care so
Speaker 4: much about and to pay attention to every word on
Speaker 4: the page because they're not haphazardly, and our directors being
Speaker 4: so involved and connected to us and asking us about
Speaker 4: you know, truly thinking about motivation and why. And we
Speaker 4: spent six years being taught that that is what TV
Speaker 4: is all about, and that it's important and that it
Speaker 4: isn't frivolous, and that we are doing something of meaning.
Speaker 4: And then we got to season seven and they were like, well,
Speaker 4: we had a good run.
Speaker 6: Let's it's fine.
Speaker 4: We don't you know, it's okay, We'll throw these characters
Speaker 4: under the bus. And here these are characters that we
Speaker 4: are portraying. And I think that feeling of, well, we
Speaker 4: don't care anymore because now our focus is can we
Speaker 4: get another show after this. Let's just let's just get
Speaker 4: rid of that and get rid of this and not
Speaker 4: have this as much anymore, and let's focus on this.
Speaker 4: Even though I think that really affected me in the
Speaker 4: sense of like everyone's jumping ship.
Speaker 1: Like we yeah, and we got everything from the top down.
Speaker 1: We always got to think from the top down.
Speaker 7: So when you see the leaders on vacation, or at
Speaker 7: least that's what it seemed like, we got that same
Speaker 7: kind of checked out feeling.
Speaker 3: It just everything went down, by the way.
Speaker 7: I also would like to you just said something Danielle
Speaker 7: that I want to put into our lexicon, which is
Speaker 7: when something is deliciously unimportant, it is now frivilish.
Speaker 3: Wish I loved, loved that word. So we are taking
Speaker 3: that from now thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's interesting, like I because I think
Speaker 1: about personally, I was, I just hated my performance this
Speaker 1: entire season. And it's because like I was applying to
Speaker 1: colleges in New York. I was like, already I was
Speaker 1: going to college. So I was doing that in the
Speaker 1: mornings coming to work. I did not care. I probably
Speaker 1: absorbed not caring from the set and the irony is
Speaker 1: I think Ben was more focused and present than he
Speaker 1: had ever been because this is the only season he
Speaker 1: was not in high school. Not in school, says him,
Speaker 1: finally just being free to be an actor and commit,
Speaker 1: and they were really writing for him to be funny.
Speaker 1: And I think you can see his confidence, his his
Speaker 1: like his sense of like ownership of Corey, you know,
Speaker 1: taking and making us laugh all the time.
Speaker 2: Like he's so present.
Speaker 1: In a way that is really great and the rest
Speaker 1: of us just aren't it stupid.
Speaker 3: I think he let go a lot in season seven too.
Speaker 7: I think, you know again, I could not imagine we
Speaker 7: go back to that first season with Ben. I couldn't
Speaker 7: imagine being eleven years old, being Fred Savage's brother and
Speaker 7: being in every seat. Now this show, we're putting this
Speaker 7: show squarely on your shoulders. The pressure that kid must
Speaker 7: have felt must have been unbelievable, and so to now
Speaker 7: be in season seven, we're all adults again. Say what
Speaker 7: you want about the show, but we're clearly having fun
Speaker 7: as an ensemble cast making trying to make each other laugh.
Speaker 7: I think he just let go for a year and
Speaker 7: manned his performance show because of it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 9: We I gained an appreciation for Ben's performance based off
Speaker 9: of your podcast because when we were originally watching it,
Speaker 9: I kind of had it up to.
Speaker 8: Hear with Corey. Corey as a character I was.
Speaker 9: Pretty much done with in every way, and I think
Speaker 9: the thing that was frustrating for me was that the
Speaker 9: entire series seems to be teaching Corey how to be
Speaker 9: a better friend, a better son, a better brother, a
Speaker 9: better partner. But as we get to specifically the college years,
Speaker 9: it seems like he becomes a little bit more selfish.
Speaker 9: It seems like he becomes a little bit more arrogant,
Speaker 9: a little bit more insisting upon others in a way
Speaker 9: that makes this question like did the lessons from the
Speaker 9: seven years of this show actually shaped this character? Like
Speaker 9: did the boy from Boy Meets World become the man
Speaker 9: the series promised.
Speaker 3: Ooo ooh wow. Interesting question.
Speaker 1: Kind of dark because if that's the case, then it
Speaker 1: teaches a pretty horrible like he becomes insufferable in so
Speaker 1: many ways.
Speaker 4: Well, here's what I would say, And I think I
Speaker 4: think about this for my own life, the years of
Speaker 4: my childhood that I was really shaped by my parents,
Speaker 4: let's say, all the way up until the time I
Speaker 4: moved out of my parents' house and I'm.
Speaker 6: Then in college or whatever.
Speaker 4: On Boy Meets World, there is a mid ground where,
Speaker 4: even if you haven't become who those lessons will eventually
Speaker 4: make you, you are at least more self aware of
Speaker 4: your shortcomings or of who you are.
Speaker 6: Doesn't mean you're.
Speaker 4: Locked in there, but there is a self awareness, a
Speaker 4: little bit to Corey's selfishness, where at least he can
Speaker 4: joke about, well, come on, you know, I'm not listening
Speaker 4: to tapanga, you know, like that idea where it's like
Speaker 4: and that might be the middle ground for that time
Speaker 4: where you go, I do do that. I am kind
Speaker 4: of in that way. I am not the best friend
Speaker 4: that I think I am. I'm not all of those things.
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean I'm always going to be a bad
Speaker 4: friend or a bad partner. But I at least can
Speaker 4: recognize when I grew up that I'm doing it because
Speaker 4: I've been shown through the seven years of the show
Speaker 4: that that's what I do.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: So to your point, after seven years, we haven't seen
Speaker 9: him grow to the person he's supposed to be.
Speaker 3: No, Well, I think what.
Speaker 7: Could be interesting with that too, is there's something. There's
Speaker 7: some and I certainly don't know if it was written
Speaker 7: this way. It would be amazing if this was in
Speaker 7: anybody's mind as they were creating the show, Michael Jacobs, whatever.
Speaker 7: But you see this generationally too, where Alan is clearly
Speaker 7: a self made man. He didn't know what he wanted
Speaker 7: to do in his life, so he went into the military.
Speaker 7: After the military, he probably started working at a grocery store,
Speaker 7: then worked his way up to where he was then
Speaker 7: managing the grocery store. When you find people that do that,
Speaker 7: sometimes what they do is they overcorrect with their own kids,
Speaker 7: so they never their kids never feel like they ever
Speaker 7: have to work a day in their life because their
Speaker 7: parents work so hard. So there is entitlements not the
Speaker 7: right word, but a laziness to Corey that you can
Speaker 7: sometimes get Eric frankly that you can sometimes get with
Speaker 7: people who are self made because they want to make
Speaker 7: sure their kids don't get through that. And you saw
Speaker 7: that a bit with Corey, like I need help, come
Speaker 7: fix my apartment, and Alan's like fix your apartment, Like,
Speaker 7: go fix your apartment.
Speaker 3: This is what I did.
Speaker 7: Now you go do that too, And I think so
Speaker 7: I would be amazed if that was something that was
Speaker 7: actually discussed by Michael at the beginning or thought about.
Speaker 7: But you can see that generationally of a slight entitlement
Speaker 7: with people whose parents work their off to get where
Speaker 7: they are to make sure their kids didn't have to.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 10: I love that you said that because I Tony and
Speaker 10: I had this conversation and looking at season seven specifically,
Speaker 10: I think you could do season six and season seven,
Speaker 10: but season seven we have a question.
Speaker 5: Are Amy and Allen good parents?
Speaker 10: Like if you if the result of good parenthood is
Speaker 10: your children? And we understand, we understand who Corey is.
Speaker 10: Eric is not a pre he hated, nor is he
Speaker 10: like seemed to have any like kind of mental growth,
Speaker 10: even though he is very emotionally intelligent, and even at
Speaker 10: the end.
Speaker 5: Morgan's a little brat.
Speaker 10: We never see you know, like people were in a
Speaker 10: smart alley, so.
Speaker 5: That you take all those things in. Are they good parents?
Speaker 10: We know they're great characters, especially in the beginning, but
Speaker 10: are they good parents.
Speaker 4: Also that baby is locked in a bedroom upstairs, or
Speaker 4: baby I don't even know if anyone's feeding it.
Speaker 8: The baby never made out the hospital. It's a ghost, exactly.
Speaker 6: They've given Amy a bit a fake baby, man.
Speaker 4: And it's such a shame to say that based on
Speaker 4: the way their kids turn out. In a lot of ways,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure their parenting has shows to be incredible,
Speaker 4: but the way they were as parents in those first
Speaker 4: five seasons, yeah, some of the best TV parenting of
Speaker 4: all time.
Speaker 3: I'm greed.
Speaker 5: So sure.
Speaker 9: It's kind of like you can do your best as
Speaker 9: a parent, but it's really up to the individual to
Speaker 9: become who they're going to become exactly.
Speaker 4: And I will say, if we could just talk about
Speaker 4: it individually by character, I do not think they have
Speaker 4: ever really been that great to Eric.
Speaker 9: No, No, they don't give a damn. They don't care
Speaker 9: about you going to New York. They're happy to be
Speaker 9: rid of you. In so many ways, it's so dismissive.
Speaker 9: And you know this kind of brings me back to
Speaker 9: another point about Eric. At the end of last season,
Speaker 9: we were like, hey, just so you know, Eric has
Speaker 9: just lost everything that's important to him. He is struggling
Speaker 9: to make friends, he lost Rachel to his best friend,
Speaker 9: he lost Tommy, and we think this is the season
Speaker 9: that breaks him, and that everything that happens in season
Speaker 9: seven is him kind of acting out, trying to disguise
Speaker 9: his hurt, which kind of is our canon way of
Speaker 9: explaining why he's so crazy.
Speaker 5: Threat.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was the character.
Speaker 5: Before.
Speaker 1: I'm amazed you picked up on that because boy did No. Yeah,
Speaker 1: by that point, with the anxiety and everything, I was
Speaker 1: trying to survive. So I was just being as big
Speaker 1: as I could and have the comedy hit as loud
Speaker 1: as it good.
Speaker 3: And but yeah, no, it was the going back to
Speaker 3: the question of the parents.
Speaker 1: It's such a good question, is at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, were they good parents? Because we even had
Speaker 1: the same conversation of season six halfway through six, but
Speaker 1: most of seven, were they good spouses? Yea?
Speaker 2: Horrible to each other?
Speaker 7: They started all of a sudden not being Gregg you're
Speaker 7: a pig, and you know, saying talking about her weight
Speaker 7: and all. I mean, it got there was times that
Speaker 7: got bad, and again I blame the writing obviously, but
Speaker 7: they all of our characters are so much different than
Speaker 7: they were when they started.
Speaker 3: And again that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 7: You're supposed to be different, but you're hoping it's a
Speaker 7: growth different as opposed to just now we're writing them different,
Speaker 7: if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: So the series.
Speaker 9: Presumes you understand who these characters are with actually showing
Speaker 9: us displaying those behaviors throughout this season. It's like, you
Speaker 9: remember what Alan and Daimy are Like, we don't have
Speaker 9: to create romance or create you know, uh, meaningful parenting
Speaker 9: moments because you've already seen that versus keeping that going
Speaker 9: and growing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, we've established who they are. You already
Speaker 4: know them, Now watch them be something else.
Speaker 8: That's every character of this season to that point.
Speaker 10: That brings us to Jack because the conversation about Jack,
Speaker 10: that's the point we feel like Jack is like there's
Speaker 10: loss of a lot of loss potential with Jack because
Speaker 10: we were like, what, like, there are so many fan
Speaker 10: theories and I think it's because Matthew Lawrence does like
Speaker 10: a very great job as we all know how I
Speaker 10: feel about his brother, but like when he goes and
Speaker 10: you know, like he does like his little interactive bits
Speaker 10: with Will, even in the what is I think the
Speaker 10: Lottery Numbers.
Speaker 5: Episode, But like Matthew, Lawrence has.
Speaker 10: Comedic jobs, and so to see him like be thel of.
Speaker 10: We've talked about him as Eric's love interest. We've talked
Speaker 10: about him getting cut off from his stepfather in the beginning,
Speaker 10: we've talked I don't know if I shared this, but
Speaker 10: in the future episode somen the Hard Way, there is
Speaker 10: kind of a scene that implies that Jack and Corey
Speaker 10: don't get along, and I was like, I would have
Speaker 10: loved to see that, like Jack is actually the one
Speaker 10: person in the entire group who doesn't like Corey, and
Speaker 10: you can kind of just see that fox of this idea,
Speaker 10: like I don't get it, you know, like that's a
Speaker 10: very comedic bit.
Speaker 5: To have someone who's like constantly trying.
Speaker 10: And then there's someone who I don't get it sucks,
Speaker 10: he sucks.
Speaker 4: That would be so funny, so funny, especially that it's
Speaker 4: your brother, your brother and your best friend just totally
Speaker 4: at odds what.
Speaker 1: It seems like they just added Jack and Rachel, Rachel
Speaker 1: especially and then just kind of went okay, now what
Speaker 1: like that? You just go, what, well, you brought him on?
Speaker 1: You must have had a reason to bring him on.
Speaker 7: I mean, is Matt, especially with the right director, is
Speaker 7: a really really strong actor.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: I worked with him on comedy, I worked with him
Speaker 7: on more dramatic stuff, and there was never a swing
Speaker 7: and a miss with Matt, so I got and it's
Speaker 7: like he was just woefully underused or poorly used, but
Speaker 7: at least they tried to use him, Whereas when you
Speaker 7: actually go back and you watch Rachel, you kind of go, okay,
Speaker 7: why is she here?
Speaker 3: Sure, like why she's pretty?
Speaker 7: And I guess they wanted to throw somebody in between
Speaker 7: Matt and I for some reason. But that to me,
Speaker 7: and again people are gonna think I'm bashing Maitland, and
Speaker 7: I'm not at all. This is not Maitland's fault. That's
Speaker 7: an episode, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1: A three episode, maybe a three episode arc exactly. But
Speaker 1: if you're going to keep her on the show, then
Speaker 1: then don't do her dirty and and do something with
Speaker 1: the character. And that was the one for me where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't, I don't and then you pull
Speaker 1: Eric away from that. So it's not even that dynamic anymore.
Speaker 1: So then it's like, well, what the hell was the
Speaker 1: point of doing this in the first place?
Speaker 9: I mean, and now we're checking in with two unrelated
Speaker 9: people about the ongoings of their relationship, even though it
Speaker 9: doesn't affect could.
Speaker 1: Break up into that camera. Yeah, and it's like, what
Speaker 1: was the point of any of this?
Speaker 8: What do you think that says about?
Speaker 9: You know, a show that's in its like fifth sixth
Speaker 9: season trying to add on to its ensemble, Like you've, like,
Speaker 9: now that you've seen the way that Angela and Jack
Speaker 9: and Rachel were handled, do you think that it would
Speaker 9: be hard for any character to kind of join this
Speaker 9: group that's already been so firmly established.
Speaker 4: Yes, unless the entire show becomes about how the group
Speaker 4: deals with this new dynamic.
Speaker 6: Unless that new character.
Speaker 4: Is going to create a new show and and actually
Speaker 4: give new life to a show where maybe the other
Speaker 4: characters have played out their storylines, you're not gonna You're not.
Speaker 4: If you can't get devote the time to giving great
Speaker 4: backstory to a character and developing who they are as
Speaker 4: people throughout the show, it's jumping the shark.
Speaker 6: It's truly just.
Speaker 7: Yeah, every sitcom does this when when they're in that
Speaker 7: kind of era. What you've got Raven Simone coming onto
Speaker 7: the Cosby Show, Brian Bonstall coming onto Family Ties, the
Speaker 7: Little Kid coming on to Brady Bunch seven, coming onto
Speaker 7: marriag with children.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is just what you do. This is
Speaker 3: television trope one to one.
Speaker 2: But I think Angela was the right addition.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think she was perfect, but she's perfect. But
Speaker 1: I think Matt was not a choice. Matt was because
Speaker 1: the network had an overall deal with him. We talked
Speaker 1: to Doug McCracken, so he was sort of forced upon
Speaker 1: our show. And I think they made a noble effort
Speaker 1: by trying to incorporate him with my character. They were like,
Speaker 1: let's give him Sean, a brother, a long lost brother.
Speaker 2: Let's make this. And it didn't work Matt, but.
Speaker 3: Jack and Eric did Jack, but that's what they found and.
Speaker 1: Then they are like, oh, and then they doubled down
Speaker 1: on that and they were like, let's get let's add
Speaker 1: another character, Rachelorge.
Speaker 2: And it's like whoa, Okay, hold on, now we have
Speaker 2: a fifteen member cast or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like too much. But it was like but they
Speaker 1: made the noble effort, and I think the problem is
Speaker 1: it's and I take responsibility. I think there's there was
Speaker 1: a lack of chemistry between me and Matt, and I
Speaker 1: think they unfortunately tried to add Matt adding drama to
Speaker 1: Sean's life, making him a dramatic entrant. And if you
Speaker 1: had come in as like a foil to Sean and
Speaker 1: we had play more of the like he's a rich
Speaker 1: kid and Seawan's a poor kid, they don't understand each other,
Speaker 1: which we did that one episode where we wrestle. Like
Speaker 1: if they had come in with that dynamic and said,
Speaker 1: let's make it funny that this guy is a long
Speaker 1: lost brother who doesn't understand Sewan and Sean doesn't understand.
Speaker 2: Him, that could have been great. But instead they brought
Speaker 2: him in.
Speaker 1: On a dramatic point, had me monologuing to Corey's camera
Speaker 1: about and him like I never had a dad either,
Speaker 1: and it's like Jesus, like it's like double DeShawn. Make
Speaker 1: make them, yeah, make them the quarterback of the football team.
Speaker 1: He was a popular kid and high school. He's now
Speaker 1: the quarterback at Penbrook, arrogant and funny.
Speaker 2: And clueless and Sean just hates him. Would have been
Speaker 2: so funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, could have played with that all day.
Speaker 1: And then you keep Eric in with the parents yep,
Speaker 1: Feeni and Feenie and and yeah, I mean again when
Speaker 1: you they were literally trading screen time and pencil mileage
Speaker 1: with Feeni and the parents with Jack and Rachel, and
Speaker 1: that's that's not a fair.
Speaker 3: It's not a fair.
Speaker 10: And to your point, I think, like, while you're talking
Speaker 10: about the different ways that they could have used Jack
Speaker 10: and even like the Rachel of it all, I think
Speaker 10: we get one, maybe one solid episodes where the girls
Speaker 10: all move in together and we're like okay. And again,
Speaker 10: me having never seen seven, said season seven when I
Speaker 10: watched it, being like, okay, cool, this will be, like
Speaker 10: you said, a good at least two three episode story
Speaker 10: arc where the girls are living.
Speaker 5: Together and they get their own dynamic.
Speaker 10: And they get to learn from each other, and we
Speaker 10: actually get to see Angela and to Penga be the
Speaker 10: friends that they talk about and Rachel be the person
Speaker 10: who will eventually be into Penga's wedding.
Speaker 5: But we never get that.
Speaker 10: I think it's like one episode where they're all there,
Speaker 10: the guys all goal her, and then the next episode
Speaker 10: they're moving out they.
Speaker 1: Really all should have started working a club Clevage, that's
Speaker 1: ye need more club.
Speaker 2: It could have been a whole.
Speaker 6: Season, right, the new Wilderness Store club.
Speaker 10: To that point, the idea of Eric working at the
Speaker 10: Wilderness Store or something like, I think I think that's
Speaker 10: one of the things that Tony Pitch was, like, this
Speaker 10: idea of like maybe Jack and or everyone works at
Speaker 10: the Wilderness Store because that gives them a central bond
Speaker 10: and things to do, and you can bring the family
Speaker 10: in as well, especially since they still have a set.
Speaker 4: Obviously, the Wilderness Store would have been so much better
Speaker 4: as the third place environment than that, God forsake.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 9: So much insight to us about the role that a
Speaker 9: set plays in the dynamics of a sick club. Like
Speaker 9: I really enjoyed your conversation about, you know, comparing the
Speaker 9: Student Union to the sets of the past, like the
Speaker 9: high school sets that were just perfect. They had these
Speaker 9: little little spots where two characters could talk but also
Speaker 9: can out and have a wide shot showing everyone like
Speaker 9: really great sets that you guys had previously, And so
Speaker 9: when you move to the Student Union, it's such a
Speaker 9: noticeable difference and the relationship that we have with these characters.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 5: Also learned from you.
Speaker 10: We learned from you guys again, like I think it
Speaker 10: was Corey andinga get their groove back.
Speaker 5: We also are like, how many swing sets are they?
Speaker 3: Like you just can't can't put them in? They can't
Speaker 3: putting them in.
Speaker 7: Also, after you just said having everybody work at the
Speaker 7: Wilder Store, how do you not do an episode after
Speaker 7: how Alan has treated Eric over the years where Jack
Speaker 7: comes in and starts running the store and Alan essentially
Speaker 7: adopts him as his kid.
Speaker 1: Like this is like the son I always wanted. Look
Speaker 1: look what you did, Look how much you sold? And
Speaker 1: there's ra They're like, are you kidding me? After all
Speaker 1: this year?
Speaker 7: I mean, stuff like that would have been a great
Speaker 7: episode to see, but they just it just wasn't.
Speaker 3: Never happened. Yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 5: Got a food fight out of it.
Speaker 3: Something that's you know, it's always good anytime you can
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, here's a question that I was kind
Speaker 9: of thinking about.
Speaker 8: You guys have had to basically.
Speaker 9: Embody these characters every day for like the last thirty
Speaker 9: years in some way or another, like either other people
Speaker 9: kind of putting that on you, Are you guys kind
Speaker 9: of you know, turning it into this podcast and kind
Speaker 9: of making something out of it. Clearly, these are characters
Speaker 9: that are deeply influenced by the writings of Michael Jacobs.
Speaker 9: But now after all of this, do they feel like
Speaker 9: your or do they still feel like something that you
Speaker 9: were just kind of like dipping your toes into.
Speaker 6: That's a really good question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally feel I own Sean, Like I'm so
Speaker 1: proud of especially the first five seasons. And I'm just like, yes,
Speaker 1: what a cool what an honor, you know, and and yeah,
Speaker 1: I even the things that like we were just talking
Speaker 1: about when we were recapping one of the episodes, Will
Speaker 1: are I forget where were And at one point I
Speaker 1: was talking about how horrible how I felt bad about
Speaker 1: the choices that they made for Sewan in season seven,
Speaker 1: and Will pointed out what they were actually borrowing from
Speaker 1: your life, like they were taking and He's like, in
Speaker 1: some ways it's a compliment, and I was like, you're right,
Speaker 1: it is a compliment, but it's bad storytelling, like it
Speaker 1: makes for an angsty not a great character. But even
Speaker 1: that is a tribute to like what what they were taking,
Speaker 1: they were taking from my life, and that I should
Speaker 1: I should just own it, you know, like, and doing
Speaker 1: this podcast has allowed me to own it.
Speaker 2: Like, I think Sean's a great television character. And I
Speaker 2: think that.
Speaker 1: Especially like when you think about not just the Shawn
Speaker 1: Cory dynamic, but the Sewan Turner dynamic, the Sean Angel,
Speaker 1: it's stuff like.
Speaker 2: It's great, Like it's a great character.
Speaker 1: I'm really proud and honored that I got to play them,
Speaker 1: you know, and be a part of his creation. And
Speaker 1: now you know, I'm just gonna start wearing a leather
Speaker 1: jacket every.
Speaker 3: Day, so you'll lose it in a half an hour. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you'll lose it in a half an hour on a train.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree. I think the thing that I'm most
Speaker 7: honored about because I you know, overall we sit here
Speaker 7: and we bashed season seven. But I mean, I was
Speaker 7: trying to last night. It was last night of the
Speaker 7: night before. I was trying to think of any list
Speaker 7: you could come up with for the best And I
Speaker 7: don't want to say kids, because that's not right. The
Speaker 7: best shows aimed towards young people in the history of television,
Speaker 7: and I cannot imagine Boy Meets World not being on
Speaker 7: the list of top ten in the history of TV
Speaker 7: and that's something that is for someone who television is
Speaker 7: as important as it is to me, that's such an
Speaker 7: unbelievable honor. And as an actor a the opportunity to
Speaker 7: do that is almost non existent.
Speaker 3: So that's huge.
Speaker 7: But to then watch the show and I can't point
Speaker 7: to the exact moment, but I can kind of point
Speaker 7: to the season. It's like season three when they stopped
Speaker 7: writing for me and they started writing for me, and
Speaker 7: that I think was the moment, is the moment I'm
Speaker 7: most proud of where it was like, oh, they're seeing
Speaker 7: me as an actor and now they're writing for me.
Speaker 3: There's a team of people writing.
Speaker 2: For Catching Up with your comedy chomps.
Speaker 3: And awesome and that feeling.
Speaker 7: So that coupled with the fact that I'm so proud
Speaker 7: of what we did, and again I do think we've
Speaker 7: made television history. Not to aggrandize it, but you know
Speaker 7: there has to be that list of Okay, what what
Speaker 7: shows are on that list?
Speaker 3: Pointed towards young people. We've got to be on that list.
Speaker 7: And that's a testament to Michael, certainly, a testament to
Speaker 7: Ben certainly. The cast they put together, the writers they
Speaker 7: put together, Catching lightning in a bottle, whatever you want
Speaker 7: to call it, but we had something very very special
Speaker 7: and Yeah.
Speaker 3: Seven sucks and it's a dud. It is what it is.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of reasons for it. But the show
Speaker 3: overall is I'm.
Speaker 1: Hugely proud of being Yeah, and I think we all
Speaker 1: own our characters. Now, I don't know, Danielle, do you
Speaker 1: feel the same.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean the fact that I, without any you know,
Speaker 4: any bit in it, truly would consider making my middle
Speaker 4: name Topanga. Are there moments that I think where Topanga
Speaker 4: acted out of character?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 4: Overall as a whole, do I think she's maybe the
Speaker 4: most consistently solid who she is of all the characters.
Speaker 4: Maybe I think of moments like when you know, during
Speaker 4: the episode where the boys borderline assault Rachel and.
Speaker 6: She goes but it's cute. That's no old or Tobanga
Speaker 6: would normally have done that.
Speaker 4: But who among us has also not had moments where
Speaker 4: we acted completely out of character because of something that's
Speaker 4: going on in our lives. And for Corey and Topanga
Speaker 4: at that time, it was wedding engagement, newlywed bliss who
Speaker 4: we can make whatever excuse we want for it, but
Speaker 4: Tapanga through and through is a person and a character
Speaker 4: I think everyone could learn from. I think she's incredibly loyal,
Speaker 4: truly to a detriment to herself. The only person who
Speaker 4: suffers to her to her detriment is Topanga. Because maybe
Speaker 4: the relationship she chooses out of love and loyalty isn't
Speaker 4: necessarily what she deserves.
Speaker 6: She could probably.
Speaker 4: From Corey maybe even just to expect more from him,
Speaker 4: and if he doesn't raise the bar to then say
Speaker 4: you're not meeting my standards for a partner.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go bang Ricky to Pega and Lauren should
Speaker 1: have probably run off.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 3: I still watch that show. No, but I think you
Speaker 3: could also.
Speaker 7: You know, it's interesting because maybe not until this very moment, Danielle,
Speaker 7: where you just said that about Tapanga staying the most
Speaker 7: true to herself other than the massive change after season
Speaker 7: one exactly which again I don't know if I've talked
Speaker 7: to you guys about this before.
Speaker 3: But I'm a big fan of show called Nash. So yes, right, details, so.
Speaker 7: Exactly correct, correct, love He's the best. They essentially rebooted
Speaker 7: their show for season two. They did season one, nobody
Speaker 7: really watched it. They started to watch it during the summer,
Speaker 7: so they said, let's kind of start over, and they
Speaker 7: almost redid the pilot for season two. You could kind
Speaker 7: of argue, we did the same.
Speaker 1: Thing, so season the episode yet, right, but season two
Speaker 1: episode one as a restart, could be our complete redo
Speaker 1: pilot of the show. And if that's the case, Topanga
Speaker 1: hasn't changed all that much.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: Other than that first season where she was hippie Topanga,
Speaker 1: there was the Minka show, there was a whole different
Speaker 1: thing starting with the second pilot of Boy Mets World Toga.
Speaker 7: Yeah, very consistent, you know, character who had a ton
Speaker 7: of growth and went from there.
Speaker 9: I have a theory that each of the characters has
Speaker 9: like a question that they're trying to answer, And I
Speaker 9: think that Eric's is where do I belong? Sean Shaan
Speaker 9: does where is home? And the Tapanga is you know,
Speaker 9: how do I stay my true self? And I think
Speaker 9: that despite all of the changes that happened throughout the show,
Speaker 9: those things are fairly consistent.
Speaker 8: Throughout the series.
Speaker 3: What's Corey's how.
Speaker 9: Do I better love the people around me? I think
Speaker 9: is ultimately his his lesson that he's trying to and
Speaker 9: even if it's not successful because.
Speaker 1: He's he's working out every relationship. How do I be
Speaker 1: a better student? How do I be a better son?
Speaker 1: How do I be a better friend? How do I
Speaker 1: be a better husband?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, although brother, he didn't seem to care too much
Speaker 3: about Eric.
Speaker 6: Is that his questionners his question? How do I get
Speaker 6: what I want?
Speaker 5: That's probably that's the accurate.
Speaker 3: Get what I need out exactly. It's like the whole
Speaker 3: world revolves around me.
Speaker 6: You make the world revolve around me.
Speaker 10: The boy though, one thing that it is one of
Speaker 10: the episodes that I think is amazing and we do
Speaker 10: want to give it credit for season seven is the
Speaker 10: Honeymoon's Over episode. To me, even though there are lots
Speaker 10: of holes and we can have all these arguments, and
Speaker 10: you guys called out a who lot of things we did.
Speaker 5: Like why wouldn't they take the baby?
Speaker 10: And you know, like things that happened later in the
Speaker 10: next episode. The idea and it stuck with me for years,
Speaker 10: this idea that after Corey and Topanga got married and
Speaker 10: they're like and we're just going to write off into
Speaker 10: the sunset and reality stem strong and they're like and
Speaker 10: to your point, were like Topenga didn't have a plan
Speaker 10: for after getting married, and they just didn't discuss it, Like,
Speaker 10: these are things that to your point, Danielle, sometimes you
Speaker 10: do let things slip through the crack.
Speaker 5: Sometimes you do feel like love will conquer all.
Speaker 10: And I love that that episode actually does a really
Speaker 10: good job of Alan Amy being good parents and being like, actually, no,
Speaker 10: you wanted to make this decision. We actually told you
Speaker 10: that you were too young. We said that this would
Speaker 10: be hard, and this is the reality that you live
Speaker 10: in now. And I think that there are moments in
Speaker 10: Boy Meets World that just stick with you, and that
Speaker 10: was definitely one of them.
Speaker 9: We were talking like, why was the wedding mid season?
Speaker 9: Obviously you guys have answered that by telling us about
Speaker 9: the back order and everything, but we were like, you know,
Speaker 9: why is this mid season? Why isn't this the finale?
Speaker 9: But what's so great about it being mid season is
Speaker 9: we get to see as an audience what happens after
Speaker 9: Happily ever After, which you know, for a generation grown
Speaker 9: up with Disney movie these, the credits usually start there.
Speaker 9: So I think that that is something that season seven
Speaker 9: kind of stumbled upon. It was actually a really interesting conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely very valid point.
Speaker 10: Any of you ever seen the show BoJack Horseman, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 10: The reason why I want to say that is in
Speaker 10: BoJack Horseman, there's a character who's talking about Robert Reid
Speaker 10: I believe is his name, which is the father and
Speaker 10: the Brady Bunch, and he talks about how Robert red
Speaker 10: never respected the Brady Bunch because he thought television was
Speaker 10: below him and it wasn't real acting. And in it,
Speaker 10: the character then says, some people don't even get to
Speaker 10: do the Brady Bunch version of what they love. And
Speaker 10: I think that watching you all revisit Pod meets with
Speaker 10: Pod meats World, revisit Boy meets World, I love to
Speaker 10: see the journey of you embrace and kind of go
Speaker 10: through like this therapy and like we in season one,
Speaker 10: you were very much like oh, as you said, I
Speaker 10: was like, oh, I guess people.
Speaker 5: Like this, so it's a really fun adventure. But to
Speaker 5: go from will you being.
Speaker 10: Like I hate seeing myself to being like, hey, maybe
Speaker 10: I'll get back in front of the camera a writer
Speaker 10: for you to appreciate your acting and know, hey, maybe
Speaker 10: I wasn't given in my all. But there are moments
Speaker 10: where like I actually bring it and Danielle to see
Speaker 10: you like actually like use this series as so much
Speaker 10: up with therapy and be like, oh there were things
Speaker 10: that I hid behind.
Speaker 5: A wall and now I'm unpacking that.
Speaker 10: All of it has been really rewarding as viewers and
Speaker 10: listeners because we're able to see you learn to appreciate
Speaker 10: the Brady Bunch version of something that a lot of
Speaker 10: people write off.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, so true. It's also how you how blessed
Speaker 1: are we to for say what you want about it?
Speaker 7: To have seven years of your life on CA yep,
Speaker 7: I mean we can go back and watch I mean
Speaker 7: to be like, oh, yeah, remember how heard it was
Speaker 7: to be twelve?
Speaker 1: Well, let me go turn that on. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the most people don't get the opportunity to do that.
Speaker 9: So that that's an interesting relationship your children will have
Speaker 9: with you being able to revisit that because you know,
Speaker 9: since the last time we talked, I actually had a
Speaker 9: little baby girl of my own, not intentionally, but she
Speaker 9: is named Maya. That that that that's great, But I
Speaker 9: think about how like, oh, you know, I only have
Speaker 9: so many vhss of me growing up, so many pictures
Speaker 9: of me as kids, but to think that your children
Speaker 9: can go through their adolescence with your adolescence as a
Speaker 9: guide along the way.
Speaker 8: It's so interesting and cool of an experience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to experience that, but I understand your
Speaker 4: grandchild my grandchild though.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, one last question I have for you guys,
Speaker 9: and then we have just a quick little wrap up
Speaker 9: game that we want to do.
Speaker 8: Is you know, now that you've.
Speaker 9: Watch the entire series, do you feel like and I
Speaker 9: hate to, you know, get too much into the Girl
Speaker 9: Meets World of it all, But does Girl Meets World
Speaker 9: feel like a natural continuation for these characters are in
Speaker 9: your head canon?
Speaker 8: Is this the end of the show? Is this the
Speaker 8: end of the series for these characters?
Speaker 4: I did think about Girl Meets World when you said
Speaker 4: do we see Corey with where he is in his
Speaker 4: you know, final boss form? Technically, Girl Meets World would
Speaker 4: then be the opportunity to show does is Corey the
Speaker 4: man we were promised at the beginning of season one
Speaker 4: Boy Meets World? And so I would really have to
Speaker 4: now go back through and watch Girl Meets World to
Speaker 4: see who is who?
Speaker 1: We keep saying, Danielle, we keep saying Danielle saying Daniel.
Speaker 4: Because I now now I would want to look at
Speaker 4: it through that lens because I had. I certainly didn't
Speaker 4: think about that when I didn't think about it from
Speaker 4: the Corey pov. I definitely thought about it from the
Speaker 4: Tapega pov. And I was like, this does feel Even
Speaker 4: though Tapega spent a lot of time fluffing pillows and
Speaker 4: making dinner for a lawyer, I did feel that she
Speaker 4: was maternal, that she was empathetic, that she could see
Speaker 4: when she basically took on all the great characteristics that
Speaker 4: Eric had, like a real people person, like I can
Speaker 4: read between the lines, I can see what you're thinking
Speaker 4: or feeling.
Speaker 6: And I loved that for her.
Speaker 4: I felt like, this is the type of woman Tapega
Speaker 4: would have morphed into.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 4: I think it would be forever too hard for me
Speaker 4: to not think of Girl Meets World.
Speaker 6: I can't like.
Speaker 4: Girl Meets World was such an influential part of my
Speaker 4: life because I was there every episode and I got
Speaker 4: to direct, and I was a producer on it, and
Speaker 4: so it of course it was such a part of
Speaker 4: my life. I can't I can't separate it. So for me,
Speaker 4: I would have loved for Will to have been a writer.
Speaker 4: I would have loved that. And I'm really glad that
Speaker 4: writer got to direct as many of them as he did.
Speaker 4: And I wish he could have been in, you know,
Speaker 4: an in house director and done whole seasons.
Speaker 1: But for what it was, you know, I wish I
Speaker 1: wish we could make Girl Meets World now. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wish the three of us could finish this podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: walk onto a stage and be executive producers of a
Speaker 1: new show called Girl Meets World and get to and
Speaker 1: get to continue the story based on because I mean,
Speaker 1: like what I showed up on the set of Girl
Speaker 1: Meets World. I remember Michael and Ben telling me like, remember,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this joke, which is a callback to
Speaker 1: and I had no idea what they were talking about
Speaker 1: because I did not remember any of Boy Meets World.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, what do I have to do?
Speaker 1: What do I have to wear so I can get
Speaker 1: in the DGA, get to do you know, get to
Speaker 1: do what I wanted to do, which was work with
Speaker 1: the kids and direct, which was super fun. But I
Speaker 1: was not invested creatively in the Boy Meets World universe.
Speaker 1: And I'm so invested now and I would so you know,
Speaker 1: so I would love I think this, this this is
Speaker 1: the end for me, Like I wish Boy Meets World
Speaker 1: just ended here, the universe ended here, but I would
Speaker 1: want to continue it now because I'm so, I really
Speaker 1: do think that there's a potential for a sequel show
Speaker 1: or that would really honor the magic of Boy Meets World.
Speaker 2: And the main thing for me is that it's not
Speaker 2: a continuation of season.
Speaker 1: Seven, because I feel my instinct and I haven't watched it,
Speaker 1: but my feeling is.
Speaker 2: That Girl Meets World felt more like.
Speaker 1: Season seven continuation in terms of tone, in terms of
Speaker 1: the way it talks about the characters, the self reflection,
Speaker 1: and like just the actual like the style of the
Speaker 1: show was a continuation of the style of season maybe
Speaker 1: six and seven, And I would rather go back to
Speaker 1: like season one, season two, Boy Meets World and keep
Speaker 1: that tone going.
Speaker 9: Ye.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you can pull us scrubs and just erase the
Speaker 10: last two seasons of like this was created. But yeah,
Speaker 10: so when they came back, they were like, that was
Speaker 10: a fever three. We have no idea what happened there.
Speaker 10: You can totally do that. And if you were going
Speaker 10: to do this, I pitched you lean in go full vote,
Speaker 10: have Jack and Eric adopt a black daughter and that.
Speaker 7: The h Yeah no, the girl, Girl Meets World doesn't
Speaker 7: count for me at all. Sorry, it doesn't count for
Speaker 7: me at all. I will say that, Uh, fluffing pillows
Speaker 7: and making dinner. My mom did that every night and
Speaker 7: she was a lawyer. So uh but uh yeah. The
Speaker 7: how you have Corey as a teacher, I get why
Speaker 7: they did it, but none of that makes any sense.
Speaker 7: How you don't have uncle Eric helping as the nanny
Speaker 7: raising the kids with how you set him up with
Speaker 7: children beforehand makes no sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7: And again you're it is gonna feel more season seven
Speaker 7: rider because you're going from ABC to Disney Channel, which
Speaker 7: is a big, a big difference.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, the.
Speaker 9: But perhaps in the age of streaming, those restrictions might
Speaker 9: not be as strong.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's true.
Speaker 2: Plus which would not be it. But at the time
Speaker 2: of Disney Channel, Yeah yeah, because they made the kids
Speaker 2: show as opposed to a family show.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And I just remember the couple of weeks I was there,
Speaker 7: and again I have not seen any growmytrold.
Speaker 1: I think I saw the episode I was on that
Speaker 1: was about it, but it seemed they they fell into
Speaker 1: the one of the television tropes which I hate, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, the woman says something like Tapanga's like, are
Speaker 1: you questioning what I said? Corey, And he's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: of course not. I love you so much, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: for the love of God, and so I just I
Speaker 1: hate that that couple dynamic.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 7: I think it's such the beautiful woman and the guy
Speaker 7: who's just lucky to have her is just one of
Speaker 7: the worst sitcom tropes ever, and so I feel like
Speaker 7: they really leaned into that. And so yeah, to me,
Speaker 7: Groming World does not exist, and I agree with you
Speaker 7: righter one hundred percent. I would love to go and
Speaker 7: do that right now because the cast I've said this
Speaker 7: from the beginning. The cast when they started were way
Speaker 7: better than when we started. Oh yeah, way better. So
Speaker 7: much more talented than we were when they were their age.
Speaker 7: So the sky was the limit, as you've seen with
Speaker 7: with all of them and everything they're doing now.
Speaker 1: I mean in their careers, they were way more talented
Speaker 1: than we were, so to start at a different place
Speaker 1: would have been I think pretty magical.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it kind.
Speaker 10: Of wrapped this up, you know, We've talked a lot
Speaker 10: about the show Boy News World season seven, but in
Speaker 10: talking about your season seven, we saw you guys lean
Speaker 10: into your creative endeavors. You started a book, you had
Speaker 10: a podcast, either of which we were invited to, but
Speaker 10: it's completely.
Speaker 8: Time documentary documentary.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but.
Speaker 10: To kind of lean into this idea of like you
Speaker 10: kind of like expanding your universe kind of like I
Speaker 10: think I wrote down Kiss or the Brady Bunch or
Speaker 10: I think, well you said it's called niche. But considering
Speaker 10: all of these things, we really wanted to do kind
Speaker 10: of like a quiz of what you thought the characters,
Speaker 10: which of these universes you think the characters would be bested.
Speaker 10: So with doing this, we're calling it Boy meets Pod
Speaker 10: And the question becomes which Boy Meets World character would
Speaker 10: most likely win Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 6: Oh, I love this.
Speaker 2: Phoeni Phoenix the hot Stuff dance.
Speaker 3: I feel like Topanga would have worked your butt off.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but we've seen Jack, We've seen.
Speaker 3: Interesting could be.
Speaker 4: I mean he's got the you know, the Dylan f
Speaker 4: Ron white boy vibes that America loves.
Speaker 3: Shirt comes off as he.
Speaker 4: Also like is a dancer, but hasn't been a professional
Speaker 4: dancer his whole life, so he would still have a journey.
Speaker 4: He would come out and be pretty good and people
Speaker 4: be like, Wow, he's good, but by the end he'd
Speaker 4: be phenomenal.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna go with Jack.
Speaker 10: Okay, okay, how about WrestleMania. Which character would be most
Speaker 10: likely to succeed at WrestleMania?
Speaker 4: Eric, He's got a big personality. He would not be
Speaker 4: at all afraid of jumping off the top rope. He
Speaker 4: would think he's freakishly strong even if he isn't, and
Speaker 4: then would be amazed when he actually is freakishly strong.
Speaker 6: He could keep as.
Speaker 4: Far as being able to like do promo to the camera.
Speaker 4: Who you know who who could go bigger?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Eric?
Speaker 1: Eric?
Speaker 9: Funny that Frankie the Enforcer, who actually is I thought
Speaker 9: about that figure. We'll keep it with the with the
Speaker 9: core course.
Speaker 4: Also, Frankie the Enforcer has such a poetic heart. He's
Speaker 4: not he's not a wrestler. His daddy was a wrestler.
Speaker 10: You know, he's eligible for the rest of these categories.
Speaker 10: Which is which character would most likely win? The traders?
Speaker 6: Oh, Cory, he's the best liar.
Speaker 1: Of so manipulative or Angela who can He kind of
Speaker 1: plays her cards close to her vest.
Speaker 7: She has kind of friends with everybody. She can kind
Speaker 7: of go from from friend group to friend group. Angela
Speaker 7: could be interesting me.
Speaker 4: I think I think always got a scheme and we
Speaker 4: just don't know it.
Speaker 6: We call it something different.
Speaker 1: Strings and people when you realize it and everyone feel
Speaker 1: like he's my friend.
Speaker 2: And he would actually be a trader.
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually put a knife in your back that night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then in his garden because Corey would be awful.
Speaker 2: Corey would be such a just mess.
Speaker 8: Line.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 10: Which character would thrivee or create the most chaos on
Speaker 10: Love Island?
Speaker 3: Rachel as.
Speaker 2: Essentially she belongs on Boy These Worlds.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's Rachel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did.
Speaker 10: And then which character do you most likely to succeed
Speaker 10: on American item?
Speaker 8: I think maybe Jack there too.
Speaker 1: Jack, or or the age which they did or this
Speaker 1: second Morgan Amy loves to sing.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 6: It depends on what age we're thinking. Because American I
Speaker 6: for that young you have to be. Having done the
Speaker 6: American Idol podcast, I've seen.
Speaker 4: What goes into some of the decisions about are you
Speaker 4: at a maturity level of being able to handle being
Speaker 4: the American Idol. The answer for Amy is, of course
Speaker 4: it would change her family's life.
Speaker 1: And it could be Jack again because he's got the look.
Speaker 1: The boy band thing going already.
Speaker 4: One dancing with the Stars. You can't win all the
Speaker 4: reality TV is my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: And then the final question we have for that is
Speaker 10: out of all of these, all this and I'll sayd
Speaker 10: you hasn't done and all the things which like very
Speaker 10: much under the lane of And then there was san
Speaker 10: Or and then we'll have it not we'll have the.
Speaker 5: Truman show of it all?
Speaker 10: Which one of these universes would you love to do
Speaker 10: an episode centered around?
Speaker 3: Wait, so, which one of the reality.
Speaker 9: Like a Casa blanca like you did when She's the
Speaker 9: seven themed episode? Do you you think which one of
Speaker 9: these do you think would be the most fun for
Speaker 9: the boy Meets World characters to be put in?
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I know it would be ridiculous, but all
Speaker 7: the characters on Love Island would be pretty freaking funny.
Speaker 2: It would be really funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, because it would be so ridiculous of
Speaker 1: just like you know, having a couple of oh they
Speaker 1: were recoupling tonight and to bang it.
Speaker 3: They're like oh, Eric, I guess.
Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't know, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: there could be some if you if you did a
Speaker 1: Trader's boy meets World episode, it could be like and
Speaker 1: then there were shows exactly and it would be sound
Speaker 1: like an unhinged Traders boy meets World would be so fun.
Speaker 5: Get it.
Speaker 2: We should do it.
Speaker 3: We'll get everybody, We'll do it in character.
Speaker 6: Picture will with one of those floods on.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I wear one all the time.
Speaker 6: Anyway, I know exactly.
Speaker 2: You could trade season of that.
Speaker 1: A whole season of Traders with the Boy meets World
Speaker 1: characters would be so fun.
Speaker 6: So funny. We're going to start writing, please please do.
Speaker 6: Can we ask you a final questions? Okay? One, have
Speaker 6: we ruined the show for you?
Speaker 8: Absolutely?
Speaker 10: Uh yeah, season I'm going to be honest, But you
Speaker 10: guys could never do it as.
Speaker 9: Much harm so no, yeah, I mean like we've kind
Speaker 9: of mentioned that. But there were so many questions that
Speaker 9: we initially had as fans consuming the show from a
Speaker 9: distance about like why does this season feel clunky? Or
Speaker 9: why does this character not have a place, And you
Speaker 9: guys have been able to kind of fill in all
Speaker 9: of those gaps for us. So just as a person
Speaker 9: who would rewatch every season of Boy Mets World between
Speaker 9: in my summer breaks of school, I have like such
Speaker 9: a long history with the show. I've loved it my
Speaker 9: whole life, and I finally get those insights that like
Speaker 9: I don't, I don't know that we we'll ever get
Speaker 9: like a mashed version of this, and you know what
Speaker 9: I mean, like to get those questions answered that you
Speaker 9: have as someone who knows the show inside and out.
Speaker 9: Like I don't know if you've noticed, but a lot
Speaker 9: of my questions that I tend to ask you guys.
Speaker 8: Are about like, hey, what do you think the character
Speaker 8: is going through?
Speaker 9: Because that I don't really know the behind those scenes
Speaker 9: stuff as a kid watching it, I'm just thinking, like,
Speaker 9: this character's behavior doesn't make sense and I wonder why,
Speaker 9: and they almost become like real people to me, and
Speaker 9: then you guys are able to just add a whole
Speaker 9: nother layer of understanding to it. So I think that
Speaker 9: you guys have been incredibly successful and I'm sad to
Speaker 9: see this part of the podcast and that I know
Speaker 9: you guys will do incredible things going forward.
Speaker 6: Thank you, kids.
Speaker 1: I have one for you both now that you've gotten
Speaker 1: to know us a little bit over the years.
Speaker 6: Who do you like the best?
Speaker 3: Yea, which one of us? Which which one of us
Speaker 3: is most like our character on the show?
Speaker 10: Ooh interesting, that's actually you know, honestly, I and this is.
Speaker 5: Just straight up.
Speaker 10: I think you all have elements, and I understand now
Speaker 10: that I've now that we've gotten to know you, and
Speaker 10: we've also you know, been listening to the podcast, I
Speaker 10: can see where they got from elements from other characters. Well,
Speaker 10: I was gonna ask you, do you make up those
Speaker 10: merch jingles at the end of every episode like on
Speaker 10: the Spot?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I usually don't think most of the time.
Speaker 1: I like, I remember like watching it because when Danielle
Speaker 1: starts to do her outro, I can see his brain going, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta come.
Speaker 8: And it's like a very eric thing to do.
Speaker 10: That's absolutely And then Danielle, the way that you host
Speaker 10: and you like kind of bring everyone together, and you
Speaker 10: again like very it's very very Topanga. And then writer,
Speaker 10: it's been very interesting to see you kind of like
Speaker 10: push back on Sean and then they'll be like whether
Speaker 10: you do that, You're like, ah, yeah, I would say
Speaker 10: to me, I understand how these characters came to develop,
Speaker 10: and it is very interesting to just kind of see
Speaker 10: where you end and the characters begin. And I feel
Speaker 10: that a lot of the audience feels like we've got
Speaker 10: to grow up with the characters more, but now we
Speaker 10: understand the people behind them.
Speaker 9: And I would also say that I definitely only see
Speaker 9: a closer relationship with you three and the characters you
Speaker 9: are at the end of the show, but likes well
Speaker 9: the same as Eric season one.
Speaker 8: Absolutely not girls girls skirls, girls girls stil.
Speaker 9: I don't think any of you guys are who they
Speaker 9: wanted those characters to be, but maybe through your influence
Speaker 9: ultimately shaped to the characters became, which I think you know.
Speaker 5: The show is better for it.
Speaker 10: Thank you, And I do want to say really quickly,
Speaker 10: and this is like just a personal thing you had asked.
Speaker 10: I want to call out Writer for being someone who
Speaker 10: I could talk to. I've like changed my career and
Speaker 10: I ended up like getting involved in the arts and
Speaker 10: getting my museum degree and like all this other stuff
Speaker 10: because of conversations I was able to have with Writer
Speaker 10: and just like knowing the appreciation that he had for art.
Speaker 10: And then as we said, Tony didn't actually name his
Speaker 10: child after Mina, but like he's had a kid since
Speaker 10: and we've been able to kind of look back. So
Speaker 10: you were all three of you were influential in our
Speaker 10: lives and you really helped like help us decide where
Speaker 10: we want to go and what our next chapter looked like.
Speaker 10: And it really was impactful and something that we wanted
Speaker 10: to highlight and appreciate because yes, the show has always
Speaker 10: meant something to us.
Speaker 5: This show podnysfrolled me something to us.
Speaker 10: But as individuals, you've each opened up our eyes to
Speaker 10: the potential of art and just you validated our feelings
Speaker 10: about critiquing television and looking into scripts differently. And I
Speaker 10: think that is a service that you don't know that
Speaker 10: you're giving to a bunch of your listeners the ability
Speaker 10: to pursue their artistic goals.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 4: That really that really means a lot. That's very that's
Speaker 4: very special. That is an aspect of the podcast we
Speaker 4: never think about.
Speaker 6: We We just we're always so worried that like were.
Speaker 4: We too honest, you know, we're so concerned with whether
Speaker 4: or not we ruined the show. We never really think about,
Speaker 4: like what could people have gained from the show, and
Speaker 4: that is a very special and personal one. So thank
Speaker 4: you for sharing that with us, thank you for joining us,
Speaker 4: thank you for as always, for your thoughtful questions and
Speaker 4: your honesty, and for being along with us through this,
Speaker 4: through this journey, and we will look forward to whatever
Speaker 4: the future holds for us, including you in that as well.
Speaker 5: So much.
Speaker 8: We really appreciate it. Bye bye, bye bye.
Speaker 4: I'm glad we know we didn't ruin the show for them.
Speaker 4: That was so nice what c J said about like,
Speaker 4: that's so cool. I didn't know he had talked to you.
Speaker 1: Like we have a email correspondence, gone, yeah, oh that's sweet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he really.
Speaker 1: You know, was trying to figure out what he wants
Speaker 1: to do with his career and his studies and yeah,
Speaker 1: and we just we're going back and forth about it.
Speaker 2: And he's such a smart guy. And they're both so brilliant,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. It's like that you know they Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was giving us a lot of credit. But I
Speaker 1: think it's also like they ran an amazing podcast, Yes
Speaker 1: they did, and they have such good critical thinking skills
Speaker 1: about how to come approach Boy Meets World.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just like I mean, that's why we
Speaker 2: have them on our.
Speaker 1: Show, like because it's O for seven seasons, because it's
Speaker 1: like they really have an insight and so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they also haven't.
Speaker 7: They haven't been really wrong yet, meaning it's like, oh,
Speaker 7: this season coming up, you're gonna like or this season
Speaker 7: coming up.
Speaker 3: So far I haven't been like, well they well they didn't.
Speaker 3: They didn't get that one right. Well, so far they've
Speaker 3: been pretty spot on their opinions.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so far, we're done.
Speaker 3: We're not they've done yet, Danielle.
Speaker 1: We keep telling you we're We're continuing to podcast. You
Speaker 1: keep trying to get away from us.
Speaker 7: It's done, guys, this is your future, Danielle.
Speaker 3: Look at it.
Speaker 6: Going to become a mute.
Speaker 4: Thank you all for joining us for this episode of
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