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Speaker 1: And is her death linked to multiple deaths in Sam Bernardino?

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Speaker 1: I Meanancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Is there a

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Speaker 1: serial killer stalking San Bernardino? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: is there a serial killer stalking San Bernardino? Take a

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Speaker 1: news for Jane yamamto. We are just in front of

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Speaker 1: Del Valleo Middle School, where the young woman started teaching

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Speaker 1: full time just two weeks ago. Excited and full of joy,

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Speaker 1: twenty four year old Nancy Magania beaming with pride documenting

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Speaker 1: her first day as a middle school teacher. She just

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Speaker 1: always made everybody feel like welcome and included Maria Magania,

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Speaker 1: holding back tears talking about her younger sister. Nancy, one

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Speaker 1: of four girls in a tight knit family. A former

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Speaker 1: college soccer player, she put everything on hold after she

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Speaker 1: got pregnant with her son, now five years old. Anywhere

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Speaker 1: that she went it was kid friendly because he was coming,

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Speaker 1: she says. That was the case. Friday night, Nancy and

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Speaker 1: her son went to David Buster's with her boyfriend. Later

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Speaker 1: that night, the three of them were near thirtieth and

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Speaker 1: and opened fire just after two in the morning. Nancy,

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Speaker 1: the only one shot, was to a local hospital where

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Speaker 1: she died. You are hearing the very latest in the

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Speaker 1: death of this young schoolteacher with me an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle PD, twenty two of

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Speaker 1: Those in Homicide and author of Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer,

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Speaker 1: Gary Jane Grant. You can find him at Cloyd Steiger

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Speaker 1: dot com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, death investigator, author

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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Forensics expert Joseph

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Psychoanalyst to the Stars, joining us from Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Alexis

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Speaker 1: terres Chuck Kraick, investigator investigative journalists for Crime Online dot com.

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Speaker 1: But I just before I go to you, Alexis terres Chuck,

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Speaker 1: thank you all for being with me, Doctor Bethany. I

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Speaker 1: don't get it. Why what to just walk up to

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Speaker 1: this schoolteacher and the fact that she videoed her first

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Speaker 1: just out of college, she's twenty four years old. She's

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Speaker 1: got her little baby boy with her. She and her

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Speaker 1: a shadowy figure walks up to her and opens fire. Bethany,

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Speaker 1: When I dropped the children off for school, there's this

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Speaker 1: I have so many questions about this, sick about it, Bethany. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's think about this. Nancy. She was a school teacher.

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Speaker 1: Was there anybody in her class who had any student

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, She's a middle school teacher.

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Speaker 1: What you think the sixth grader is gonna have an

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a long simmering's sixth grader. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's middle school, Nancy. You've got six, seventh and eight sometimes,

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Speaker 1: But statistically speaking, I just don't see it a grudge

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Speaker 1: and it is a scary world out there. Parents are angry,

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Speaker 1: And that's what this actually, You know what, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: but let's follow this through to its logical conclusion. Cloyd

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Speaker 1: think about it, Cloyd. I don't see the parents stalking

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Speaker 1: Joe Scot you've worked on so many death cases I

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Speaker 1: an infant, the core of Page, who had sustained major

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Speaker 1: trauma as a result of the traffic pollision. Both the

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Speaker 1: survived his injuries. However, Page did not okay hold on

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Speaker 1: just a moment. So now on the heels of Nancy's death,

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Speaker 1: we have another incident where a red Toyota camera was approached,

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Speaker 1: the windows shot out. They go for the driver. The

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Speaker 1: Alexas Terrestia, what happened? So a man? He was finally

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Speaker 1: twenty years old. The trail Page thirty Camistreet in Timber

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Speaker 1: another car ploger and he is shot in the back

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Speaker 1: of her head where he baby in the back seat.

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Speaker 1: It was just two people killed right in front of

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Speaker 1: their children. Well, I'm sorry, he actually so in the oad.

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Speaker 1: It's car crushes and the crush is so severe that

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Speaker 1: the baby WI Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we

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Speaker 1: are talking about a potential serial killer stalking San Bernardino.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us so far. We have

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Speaker 1: a twenty four year old teacher dead shot in her

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Speaker 1: car in front of her five year old son and boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: and we're picking her apart and her past, her history,

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Speaker 1: now her location. But as Chloyd Stiger points out, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's something completely different. Has really nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: her at all. There's no connection that police could uncover

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Speaker 1: between her and the second shooting victim. This is what

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Speaker 1: I like to do in analyzing a case. Compare cases

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Speaker 1: for every minute similar detail. Both in their vehicle, both

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Speaker 1: in San Bernardino, both driving with a child in the car,

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Speaker 1: both had the windows up, both attacked by someone else

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Speaker 1: in a vehicle that gets out of the vehicle and

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Speaker 1: approaches the victim. The similarities are beginning to line up

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Speaker 1: to show a serial killer stalking Sam Bernardino. I want

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Speaker 1: you to take a listen now to San Bernardino Police Department. Jackie,

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Speaker 1: I want to cut forward to Katla. This is news

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Speaker 1: reporter cut seven, Carlos cesdo take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: Any parking lot near thirtieth and Flora Streets, police say

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Speaker 1: surveillance video shows a whit sedan pulling into a parking

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Speaker 1: lot before the shooting. Suspect gets out and fires into

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Speaker 1: another vehicle, killing a woman. The victim, twenty five year

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Speaker 1: old Nancy mcganna, a middle school teacher, was sitting in

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Speaker 1: a truck with her boyfriend and five year old son

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Speaker 1: when it happened. No words were exchanged between the victim Magana,

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Speaker 1: and that vehicle, and somebody walked up on that car

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Speaker 1: and opened fired on the driver's side, striking her. A

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Speaker 1: month later, a man crashed his car after he was

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Speaker 1: shot and wounded. The impact killed Decoro Page, the man's

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Speaker 1: infant son riding in the backseat. Then last month, four

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Speaker 1: men were shot, three of them fatally. On January nineteenth,

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Speaker 1: Leman Hamilton and his sus Valencia were struck in the

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Speaker 1: middle of Baseline Street. Hamilton died of his injuries. Two

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Speaker 1: days later, Daniel Melendez and Israel Delatre were shot and

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Speaker 1: killed on the fourteen hundred block of North Grand Avenue. Guys,

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Speaker 1: how many people have died at the hands of this

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Speaker 1: serial killer? Doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst. They think of

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Speaker 1: serial killers as someone who sneaks into your house in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the night and strangles the one with

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Speaker 1: a stock, or we think of Ted Bundy or Wayne Gaycy.

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Speaker 1: This is completely different m serial killing by shooting. None

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Speaker 1: of these victims are connected to each other. That means

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Speaker 1: it's not someone from their past like an old boyfriend

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Speaker 1: or lover. No, these people are unconnected. What does this

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Speaker 1: mo tell you about the killer? Nancy? I've been racking

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Speaker 1: my brain to think about all of the stories we've

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Speaker 1: covered over the years with men killing in pairs and

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Speaker 1: usually at some distance from the victim. Usually the victims

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Speaker 1: are picked randomly. I'm thinking about the DC sniper. There

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Speaker 1: was another case I think in Texas where people were

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Speaker 1: randomly shot from a distance, like a woman on a

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Speaker 1: park bench. I think of the DC sniper case. Somebody

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Speaker 1: was just pumping their gas in their car. A woman

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Speaker 1: was in a parking lot that mo tells me that

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Speaker 1: it may be two men men traveling in a pair,

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Speaker 1: a stronger, older male recruiting a younger, more vulnerable male.

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Speaker 1: A thrill kill aspect to the killing, meaning they're getting

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Speaker 1: themselves excited and working themselves up into a frenzy picking

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Speaker 1: vulnerable populations. In that these victims all seem to be

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Speaker 1: in cars, either driving or parked somewhere, and because the

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Speaker 1: first one is at close range but we don't know

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Speaker 1: about the others, there's kind of a fish in a

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Speaker 1: barrel quality, like not always wanting to see the whites

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Speaker 1: of the eyes of the victims, sort of wanting to

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Speaker 1: be sneaking up on them in an unsuspecting way, especially

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Speaker 1: since this one victim was shot in the back of

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Speaker 1: the head, which means that somebody had to have pulled

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Speaker 1: up behind his vehicle in order to shoot him, So,

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Speaker 1: you know, the aspect of closeness versus distance. Maybe just

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Speaker 1: got Moran could speak to that, but definitely there's a

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Speaker 1: thrill kill aspect to this. Guys. We are analyzing a

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Speaker 1: series of shooting deaths in the San Bernardino area, starting

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Speaker 1: with a twenty four year old school teacher that we

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Speaker 1: know of. Have there been other victims of this serial

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Speaker 1: killer that have not been attributed to him. And Joseph

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author. I

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Speaker 1: say him because this is screams out to me that

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Speaker 1: it is a mail perp on many different levels. Explain

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Speaker 1: how you would analyze the scene to connect these killings,

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Speaker 1: obviously beyond the fact that a similar weapon may have

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Speaker 1: been used. Well, one of the things that myself and

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Speaker 1: certainly people like Cloyd would engage in with this is

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Speaker 1: something that's referred to as geographic profiling, and the ideas

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Speaker 1: where are these events taking place? You know, what type

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Speaker 1: of activity do we have relative to roadways, neighborhoods, this

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Speaker 1: sort of thing accessibility in order to facilitate this. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've got two so far that that we've really dug

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Speaker 1: into here, where one was adjacent to a roadway, where

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Speaker 1: we have this beautiful young woman who is shot, you know,

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Speaker 1: they have an ability to escape, and then we have

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Speaker 1: this horrible event which I saw the videotape on this

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Speaker 1: This is absolutely horrendous where this father shot in the

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Speaker 1: head and survives miraculously and his baby is killed. And

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Speaker 1: that really gives us an indication, you know, So what

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Speaker 1: do we have here relative to the connectivity between all

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Speaker 1: of these victims and accessibility to them? And that's one

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Speaker 1: of the things that we'd be looking at, beyond just

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Speaker 1: the basic forensic stuff like what type of weapon are

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Speaker 1: being used? You know, what type of rounds have been

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Speaker 1: recovered from the scene that we can tie back to

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Speaker 1: a single weapon. Perhaps the first thing I would do

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Speaker 1: Chloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle, PD and author is

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Speaker 1: analyze if you can get them the bullets, which I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that you can, as these victims were shot in

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Speaker 1: an enclosed area the car, so the bullet will either

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Speaker 1: either be found in their body or somewhere in the vehicle.

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Speaker 1: The first thing is the ballistics test, which will show

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Speaker 1: you if the bullets were all fired from the same

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Speaker 1: gun based on the striation marks on each bullet. Every

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Speaker 1: gun is unique, like a fingerprint. The way that the

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Speaker 1: metal on the inside of the barrel cools as the

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Speaker 1: gun is made leaves little marks inside the gun. As

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Speaker 1: the bullet hurls down the barrel with such force, with

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Speaker 1: such velocity, it gets marks on it the bullet that

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Speaker 1: can only come from that particular gun. So the bullets

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Speaker 1: from each case can be compared microscopically determine if it

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Speaker 1: comes from the same gun. Then it's a matter of

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Speaker 1: finding that gun before he gets broken down and disposed

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Speaker 1: of and firing a test round from that gun to

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Speaker 1: see if you're a bullets get the same striation marks.

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Speaker 1: Number one, I look for fingerprints on the car, did

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Speaker 1: the rest fingerprints if they're right handed, left fingerprints and

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Speaker 1: shoot or no. Also surveillance video in all of these areas.

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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen. He's Sam Bernardino

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Speaker 1: Police Department press conference as they are taking a long

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Speaker 1: look at another other victims, Lamon Hamilton. Listen m and Hamilton.

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Speaker 1: One Sunday, January nineteenth of this year, at approximately zero

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Speaker 1: six hundred hours, as Sam were Nardino Police Department received

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Speaker 1: a call of a man down Spruce and Meridian. When

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Speaker 1: officers arrived on scene, it come twenty four year old

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Speaker 1: Lamon Hamilton down in the middle of the street suffering

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Speaker 1: from a gun Shotling evans collected the scene suggested there

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Speaker 1: had been an exchange of gunfire. A short time later,

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Speaker 1: Culton Police Department advised that they were out at the

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Speaker 1: same hospital with a shooting victim. The second shooting victim

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Speaker 1: was identified as twenty year old Jesus Valencia, who lives

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Speaker 1: near the area where Hamilton had been shot. Seems to

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Speaker 1: me that one of the victims tried to run, tried

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Speaker 1: to get away. I'm not sure how that went down,

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Speaker 1: but I know this. These victims are not connected. We

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Speaker 1: are waiting right now for news. We understand that there

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Speaker 1: has been an apprehension in the case of de Treille Page,

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Speaker 1: just twenty one years old. Is it the right guy?

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Speaker 1: Is he possibly linked to all of these murders, and

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Speaker 1: if so, why we wait as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend,