1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, Welcome to Move the Sticks. 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 2: DJ. 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: Buck back with you, Buck. What's going on, my friend? 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: Not too much, DJ, just kind of making our way 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: through the week. And it's funny being back in the 7 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: routine of a football week. And so the podcast and 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: film watching and getting ready reviewing one week, getting ready 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: for the next week. It's a lot of fun, but 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: you know it is. 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's busy, but it's fun. I kind of enjoy 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: the schedule part of it. I mean, we like routine. 13 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: I think that goes all the way back to when 14 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: your kids and you have school, you have sports. It's 15 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: just everything gets into a nice routine and a nice flow. 16 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: And we're very much there as we're in the middle 17 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: of the season here today on the episode Buck, we're 18 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: gonna look at this Thursday night matchup, great matchup, potential 19 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: playoff preview here in the AFC East with the Bills 20 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: and the Dolphins squaring off. So we have some thoughts 21 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: on that game, what to look for there Thursday night football. 22 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: And then we'll also I want to get into college 23 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: football a little bit. The quarterbacks that I think is 24 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: going to be a definitely a popular topic of conversation 25 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: as we get through the college football season as well 26 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: as we march towards the NFL Draft, So we'll have 27 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: some thoughts on that as well. But let's start first 28 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: of all here this Bill's Dolphins game Thursday night. What 29 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: did you see from that? Bill's team? Will start there. 30 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: They were down early against the Cardinals, came storming back 31 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: and and we're able to get that victory. But what 32 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: do you see it on the Bills side of things 33 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: one weekend as they get ready to take on the Dolphins. 34 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: Give them a lot of credit for displaying the toughness. 35 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 2: Got up to a slow start. Within superhero Josh Allen 36 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: took over, and we see we've seen Josh Allen kind 37 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 2: of go into this superhero mode. But he's not only 38 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: dominating the game as a passing, but he does it 39 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: as a runner. And his size, strength, toughness, particularly down 40 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: in the red zone is problematic. You just don't have 41 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: guys on the perimeter that are big enough to get 42 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: him down. And it makes me think about when you 43 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: were working in Baltimore and you guys talked about, uh, 44 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: when you're making selections and you're building your team and 45 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: your defense, one of the questions that you ask is, 46 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: and this guy tackle Ben Roethlisberg. I think you have 47 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: to start thinking about that when you are building your team. 48 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: Do you have guys on the perimeter that can tackle 49 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: these big athletic quarterbacks that we were seeing? And Josh 50 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: Allen kind of has to be one of the guys 51 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 2: that we treat as the gold standard. And you get 52 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: the big fellow down because if you can't tackle him 53 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: either as a pass for us as a perimeter defender, 54 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: it just makes it very, very difficult to stop their offense. 55 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: Man, no question, he definitely wanted a superman mode. One 56 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: of the guys who was really emerging as one of 57 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: his favorite players as Khalier Secure. And it's interesting I 58 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: went back and I just pulled up his notes for 59 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: Secure when he was coming out in the twenty two draft. Now, 60 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: he's a he's a local kid from where I was 61 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: living at the time up in Marietta. UH. He had 62 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: went to Vista Murrietta program, I know you're familiar with 63 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: up at Boise State. He was a five so right 64 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: around six foot, right around two hundred pounds, ran four 65 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: four to three. I said, he's crisp. He has outstanding hands. 66 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: You'll see a bunch bunch of one handed catches, sneaky 67 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: jew slot fades. He gives excellent effort as a blocker. 68 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: He's elusive after the catch. And this is funny because 69 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: at the time this comp wouldn't have it wouldn't have 70 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: really stood out. At this point in time, my comp 71 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: for him buck Amaras Saint Brown. 72 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 2: Ooh, nice comp. 73 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: And that was you know, I think I was right 74 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: after Amaraj just coming to the league, so he wasn't 75 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: what we know him as now and someone who's making 76 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: thirty million dollars a year. But if you're a Bills 77 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: fan and wondering how good can this guy be? That 78 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: that was the comparison coming out of college. 79 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: Man, that's that's a really good comparison. And when I 80 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: think about the comp in terms of what Amaras Saint 81 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: Brown has been, he's been a guy who look people 82 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: that have kind of categorized him as a slot receiver, 83 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: but he's much more than that. And I think his 84 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: toughness is run the ability, the high IQ that he 85 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: brings to the table. He has kind of set the 86 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: tone for the Lions often send in the Buffalo Bills. 87 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: What you're trying to do is you're waiting for someone 88 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: to emerge as the guy that can be the leader 89 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: of that passing game. We know they want to utilize 90 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: the tight ends, but you still need someone on the 91 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: perimeter to be able to get that done. We saw 92 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 2: Shakira flash a little bit last year. We saw him 93 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: put up numbers, small numbers in terms of that, but 94 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: the yards for catch was impressive. But for him to 95 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: kind of come into his own and kind of settle 96 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: into a role that maybe leads him to be the 97 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: top option in the passing game, you have to like 98 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: that if you're the coaching staff, and you really got 99 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: to like it if you Josh Allen, because he is 100 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: being tasked with doing the Pat Mahomes thing, meaning elevate 101 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: those around him, and so far, so good. 102 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: After one we could play the other player on the 103 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: bill side of things that I was curious to see 104 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: what he looked like. And someone who I think you're 105 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: seeing start to really blossom right before our eyes is 106 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: do you remember when we had that conversation with Greg 107 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: Russ coming out and we said, Okay, this guy, he's 108 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: so young, but he's someone who loves ball, someone who 109 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: studies pass rush. He's long, he's explosive. There's the pieces 110 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: are all going to come together. They might not all 111 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: be together yet, but it is all going to work out. 112 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: It's all going to come together. That's why I think 113 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: we were both pretty aggressive in our grades on him. 114 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: And here he comes out week one. Now he's got 115 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: a couple of years under his belt, Low and behold 116 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: three sacks game one, and you're starting to see that 117 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: thing all come together. 118 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: So I just see it come together and DJ the 119 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: thing that is to come and de nominated. When we've 120 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 2: had the opportunity to talk to pass rush is they 121 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: can walk you through their plan, their vivid detail, their 122 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: ability to articulate how they want to attack pass protection, 123 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: how they want to protect blockers. It lends itself to 124 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 2: them being able to set a plan and then execute 125 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: that plan. And it's more than just being a great 126 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: athlete on the perimeter. When Russo sat with us that 127 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: day and kind of talked us through a bunch of 128 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: different things, because remember at the time he was making 129 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: that transition, he had been like a wide receiver and 130 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: offensively to then being an edge defender, and it was 131 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: kind of viewed as a one year wonder. Yeah, he is. 132 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: He has been terrific and he is very, very impressive 133 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: when it comes to what he's able to do off 134 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 2: the edges. 135 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: All right, here's the notes. Here's the report. Greg Russau, tall, 136 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: long rangey defender lined all over the front in Miami's scheme, 137 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: was extremely productive in twenty nineteen despite having limited experience 138 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: on the defensive line, played safety and wide out in 139 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: high school. Lax an elite get off as a pass rusher, 140 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: but his combination of quick hands, length and instinct leads 141 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: to sacks and pressures in bunches. He has an effective swipe, 142 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,239 Speaker 1: rip and can close and finish. Didn't show much power 143 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: early in the nineteen season, but he got better every week. 144 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,119 Speaker 1: By the end of the season, he flashed the ability 145 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: to convert speed to power. See the duke game. He's 146 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: very comfortable and effective rushing inside and the run game 147 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: uses his length to set the edge. He will get 148 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: a little high at times. Effort is excellent overall. Rousseau 149 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: is still developing, but he has found a way to 150 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: post elite production while learning on the job. His best 151 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: football is ahead of him. 152 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about best football ahead. It was one 153 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: of those things like DJ like the developmental piece is significant, 154 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,559 Speaker 2: but you can you can you can roll the dice 155 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: on guys as developmental players if I believe they have 156 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: high football IQ and instincts and he if you're to 157 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: have a really high functioning IQ, and you can buy 158 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: into that. He was going to put the work in 159 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: to make sure he refined the instincts. I think report 160 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: mattch is the player that he was and the player 161 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: that he's become. 162 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a couple of the Bills takeaways. So 163 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: let's get to the Miami Dolphins. What we saw from them, 164 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: you saw him in person. We'll break them down. Then 165 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: we'll kind of get into the matchups that we're looking 166 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: forward to. But we talked about this a little bit 167 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: on on Monday Show, but seeing that team up close 168 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: and personal, I know the speed is is the is 169 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: the high takeaway here, But what beyond just the speed 170 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: of this team is something that stood out. 171 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: Chris Career and Mike McDaniels have a sweet tooth, like 172 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: they have a certain flavor, a certain type that they like. 173 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: Speed is on the menu. They're going to get I 174 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: fast got but DJ, when you watch this team, they're 175 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: all similar built and they have similar skill sets in 176 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: some capacity. So when I think about all the whiteouts 177 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: that they tried out, right, So against the Jags, they 178 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: were trying out Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle. You saw Braxton 179 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: Barrios there, Afro Returner get into the mix. You know 180 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: they have OBJ on the sideline. He is out for 181 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: four weeks on whatever the pup list. Then in the 182 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 2: running back room, though, DJ, the running back room is 183 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 2: crazy because the conversation was about Raheem Moster, David A. 184 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: Chan and I talked about Jalen Wright day then right 185 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: wasn't even a factor. It's Jeff Wilson that had an 186 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 2: opportunity to get in the game. And all of them 187 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 2: can do a bunch of different things because they demand 188 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 2: a lot from their running backs. They go out in 189 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: space and play in empty formations. They catch the ball 190 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: out the backfield, They're running swings and screens to them, 191 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 2: they run toss sweeps to get them to the edge. 192 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: It requires a really unique skill set to play running 193 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: back for the Dolphins. And for all of the conversation 194 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: about their offensive line and how they're worried, and people 195 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: are worried about turn Armstead and Austin Jackson. He said 196 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 2: they're solid because they don't run inside. They don't deal 197 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: with stuff on the inside. They're athletic enough to get 198 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: to the perimeter. They do all their damage on the parimeters, 199 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: so they really alleviate I would say some of the 200 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: importance of the offensive line because it's all in space. 201 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: It's three on two, two on one. It's wide receivers 202 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: taking on dbs tight ends, and a wide receiver taking 203 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: on a linebacker and a safety. They don't really hit 204 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: you there. And so it's funny because you almost called 205 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 2: it like smoking mirrors trick and football, but it's not. 206 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: It is just a different style that you have to 207 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: get prepared for. And when they get it rolling, particularly 208 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: down there in the heat, you wear down. They wear 209 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: you down in a different way. Where the Niners wore 210 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 2: the Jets down physically upfront going at them, the Miami 211 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: Dolphins weigh you down by making you chase the rats. 212 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: You have to chase from southeline, the sideline and all 213 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: over the field. 214 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: When we look at the game this matchup, one of 215 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: the things that's fascinating to me is Jordan Poyer now 216 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: being a member of the Miami Dolphins, having such an 217 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: intimate knowledge of the way things are done in Buffalo 218 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: defensively obviously can be an asset to Mike McDaniel in 219 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: terms of rules and things that he can relay. But 220 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: I also I'm curious and it works both ways. But 221 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: Poyer's knowledge of Josh Allen and Josh Allen's knowledge of Poyer. 222 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: When you go back to your career buck on the field, 223 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: do you ever remember you know, I know, I've been 224 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: around different teams where you know, almost kind of we'd 225 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: have a player come upstairs and kind of give us 226 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: a little scouting report as we were kind of preparing 227 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: advanced reports on guys that they knew. But do you 228 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: ever remember anything like that of a teammate playing against 229 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: a former team and it being a real help to you. 230 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you right now. Like me, I 231 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: remember going from the Kansas City Chiefs to the Oakland 232 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: Raiders at the time John Gruden's first year in Oakland, 233 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 2: last game of the year was Kansas City versus Oakland, 234 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: and they still was like some playoff implications, And I 235 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: remember having played defense in Kansas City John Gruden send 236 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,599 Speaker 2: me down in the cafeteria, and I was one of 237 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: those guys that kept every game plan and report, and 238 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: I remember bringing that in and walking through the defensive 239 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: script and being able to tell him, Hey, here's what 240 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: we thought about you and your offense. Here's what we 241 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: were going to go through go to if you guys 242 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: gave us movement, you gave us a lot of shifting. 243 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: We're gonna play cover two, We're gonna do all of 244 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: this stuff. And conveying that message and being able to 245 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: kind of give you, like a look behind the scenes 246 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: into the mind of the defensive coordinator. I think Jordan 247 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: Poyer can do that for Mike mc danel to say, Hey, 248 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 2: when we played you guys, here's what we were thinking 249 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: about the personnel, what we wanted to take away or whatever. 250 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: He also can stand in front of the team and 251 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: talk about Josh Allen because he's seen him every day 252 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: when all those Spring and Ota workouts, when they were 253 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: facing them. He could talk about maybe little tales that 254 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: he may have he locks on this way, or little 255 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: things that gives some problems. It's very valuable, and now 256 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: I know people have dismissed it, like, yeah, but you 257 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: know they know him too, but sometimes been that intel, 258 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: just like the little things that you never think about. 259 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 2: They're able to give a tail because they have been 260 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: around the player more than anybody else has, and they 261 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: really know the player inside and out, not only physically 262 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 2: but mentally, how he may handle a mistake or too 263 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: early in a contest. 264 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: That's a that's a great, great example or literally right 265 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: from your career, and I think it is something to 266 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: keep an eye on it. I think it does have value. 267 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: Only something in a game with two teams that look 268 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: pretty evenly matched that can make a difference. So anything 269 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: else in this matchup that you're you're intrigued by, to me, 270 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: I look at you know, the Bills just paid Spencer Brown, 271 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: who's a really good tackle. He was a really good player. 272 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: They got a handy. Got your hands full this week, buddy, 273 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: because Jalen Phillips is he is the real friggin deal. 274 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: And you watch him last week. He looks healthy coming 275 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: off that injury, and he looks like somebody who if 276 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: I was going to put the number on it, buck, 277 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: if he has under fourteen fifteen sacks, I'd be disappointed. 278 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: He's got that type of ability to go north to 279 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: that number. 280 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: Okay, DJ. One of the things that's great about working 281 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 2: for the job is like when it was back to 282 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 2: football weekend, back together weekend, I had a chance to 283 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 2: go to Miami surely after leaving Jacksonville, go to Miami, 284 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: spent a couple of days Watchington practice. Jalen Phillips isn't 285 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: back yet, but man, he was so gun co and 286 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 2: dead said on getting back for the opener. This is 287 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 2: after Achilles injury. This is with Bradley Chubb sideline where 288 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: no one even knew if they were going to have 289 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: a formidable pass rusher available to them. This dude comes 290 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: out the tunnel like that now, Simon, it is is like, 291 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: man like he is ready, he's locked in and ready 292 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: to go, but still in your money, Like, man, this 293 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: dude's not gonna be ready to light like really make 294 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: an impact, DJ. He has it all. He's the contrast 295 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: comparison between Greg Russeau and Jalen Phillips. It's another one 296 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: where when you talk to him and he was able 297 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: to talk you through the approach and what he wanted 298 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: to do and those things we talk a lot about, 299 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 2: like smart fast, physical, smart yanked, Yank. Whatever the core 300 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: traits are when it comes to evaluating and what people 301 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: say are your core beliefs, I don't think you can 302 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: underestimate football intelligence. When it comes to pass rushers. There 303 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: is an art to it that extends beyond just being 304 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: the best athlete on the corner. 305 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: I agree to me. I think we've over the last 306 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: few years we've connected receivers and past rushers that those 307 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: are they're just craftsmen positions, man, So you got to 308 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: kind of be obsessed with the craft to be great 309 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: at it. And I think we've we've really got a 310 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: lot of recent examples of guys that are doing their 311 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: thing that we saw that from them going through that process. 312 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: All right, let's uh, let's take a quick break and 313 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: we come back. We will jump into a college quarterback 314 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: that we're looking forward to monitoring here as we go forward. 315 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: All right, Buck, One of the teams that has been 316 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: most intriguing coming off of a monster went over Michigan 317 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: is Texas. Expectations are high, They've been high there in 318 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: the past. This feels different though, with this Steve Sarkesian team. 319 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: They've got they've got the horses up front, they've got depth, 320 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: they've got speed, uh, and to win a championship. Nowadays too, 321 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: it feels like you better have somebody that can you know, 322 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: they can take the snap and win you shootout if 323 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: you need to with so many high powered offenses. And 324 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Quin Eewers can be that guy. 325 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: And I think now you start looking at a couple 326 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: of hostile environment wins. He's gone into Alabama and won 327 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: last year. He goes into Michigan defending national champs and 328 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: they just beat the stuf out of them. He's showing 329 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: some poise to go along with a lot of raw ability. 330 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: I know this is a kid you've known all the 331 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: way going back to high school. 332 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, now, DJ, And here's why it's really important to 333 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: track guys along their journey, right. One of the things 334 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: that we used to do when we're an area scout 335 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: is you get an opportunity to watch guys as freshmen 336 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: and then you see them grow, and even though you're 337 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: not directly scouting them, you pay attention to guys, particularly 338 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: the ones that we know are the hyped up, much 339 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: ballyhooed five star recruits that come in. You kind of 340 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: pay attention to what they're doing. Here's what I will say, 341 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: and it's really a great learning lesson for me. When 342 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: I was around Quinn Yours at the Lead eleven, it 343 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: was my first exposure to him. He was still rocking 344 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: the mullet. He was still kind of like the guy 345 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: that people were celebrating. So he had some of this 346 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: cockiness and bravado about him that I can't say that 347 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: I necessarily loved. And then you see him bypass the 348 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: senior season. He goes to Ohio State, he leaves after 349 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: a semester, and so you're like, man, is this dude 350 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: the legit? 351 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: Is he real? 352 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say, watch him from the time he 353 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: had the opportunity to first start playing at Texas to 354 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 2: the evolution in terms of his game kind of moving 355 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 2: and refining and growing and watching how Steve Starkeisan has 356 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: had a positive impact on his game. The guy that 357 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 2: I watch it, I know is TV Scot, but the 358 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: guy that I watched against Michigan DJ, he has that 359 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 2: number one overall pick feel and look to him, he 360 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: not only has the tools and the talent to play 361 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: as a franchise quarterback level, I think he has the 362 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: toughness and I think he also has this moxie and 363 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: confidence that you must have to be able to do it. 364 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: It's making no mistake. It's hard to go and win 365 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: at the big House against the defending national champions. This 366 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: dude was on his game from beginning to end, dropping dimes. 367 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: I'm beginning to become a big Quinn Yours fan as 368 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: we begin to look ahead to the draft and the 369 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 2: quarterbacks that could be available. 370 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, some of these guys just grow up. Man, 371 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: they're young. There's a lot throwing at them when they're young. 372 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: He hit some adversity. I think that's a benefit to 373 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: come out the other side of some of that adversity, 374 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: because man, it's hard when you get him to the 375 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: next level and they've never had it, and then all 376 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: of a sudden, now you get it, and it's like, man, 377 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: we don't know. You know. A great example of that. 378 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: Bryce Young is a great example of that. Bryce Young, 379 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: five star coming out of modern day high school, number 380 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: one team in the nation, goes to Alabama, plays with 381 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: you know, superior talent, Heisman Trophy first overall pick. All 382 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: of a sudden, now dropping with the Carolina Panthers, and 383 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: the crap really hits the fan he never, he hasn't 384 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: really been in that situation before. You know, Quinn yours 385 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: has been through a little bit of turmoil early on 386 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: in his career. He's also in a position where don't 387 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: don't forget about the fact that he has the most 388 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: popular number two quarterback in all of college football in 389 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: his in his room with a name that's that's that's 390 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: literally gold in in arch Manning. So there's the thought 391 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: of man, I have one bad game, shoot I make 392 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: one bad throw. There's gonna be people up in the 393 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: stands that want to see the other guy. That's a 394 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: lot of pressure, and so to see him be able 395 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: to navigate those waters and uh and go into hostile environments. 396 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm really gonna make a point this year. And I 397 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: think you've you've done a better job than me in 398 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: this over the years of bringing these things up, and 399 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna work on it. I'm gonna make 400 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: it a point of emphasis this year for this draft cycle. 401 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: I want to see with players. I want to see 402 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: the big moments in big games. I want to see 403 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: rivalry games. I want to see best opponents. I want 404 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: to see fourth quarters, I want to see trailing like 405 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna have weighted grades this year. I'm 406 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: not gonna say I'm not going to watch four games 407 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: and give him equal value. I'm not gonna I'm not 408 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: gonna give you the same value for your performance you 409 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: know against you know Sam Sims, you know what I mean. 410 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna give you bonus points. 411 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: You go on the road against the defending national champs. 412 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: That means more. And uh and I'm not I shouldn't 413 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: say it's just Sam Houston. I could say, like versus Indiana, 414 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: but those those playoff games, those Bowl games, those rivalry games, 415 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: bad weather games, I'm gonna I think that's a great indicator. Man, 416 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: I think that's a really good indicator what these guys 417 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: are gonna be like when the pressure is really really 418 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: on you. 419 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's part of the things that you 420 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 2: want to see, right Like, I mean you kind of 421 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: want to see what are they like when they struggle? 422 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: How do they respond to adversity? A lot of times, 423 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: I think it's easy to get caught up and looking 424 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: at it. Oh my god, he had three interceptions in 425 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: this game, like, oh it's terrible, but really is Okay, 426 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: he had three interceptions. What is he like the next drive? 427 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 2: What does he like the next drive? Does does he 428 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: come off of it and start throwing checkdowns or is 429 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: he still willing to make that tight window throw when 430 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: they have to have it or struggle in the first half, 431 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: but now they need a drive and in the two 432 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: minute drive he executes it, they win the game. All 433 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: of those things it matters because what we're trying to 434 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 2: do is we're trying to get a feel for how 435 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 2: he's going to be at the next level. And the 436 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 2: next level is the hardest level of the ball that 437 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: he'll ever play, and you need to see them test it, 438 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: and if they're tested, and if they come through on 439 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: the other side, you probably feel a lot better about 440 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: what they can be at the next level. 441 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, the guy's got a ton of twitch. 442 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: I posted that the other day. He's just got a 443 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: lot of life in his lower body and in his arm, 444 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: like he's just he's very sudden in all of his movements. 445 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: There's nothing monotone about him at all. It's just a 446 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: lot of juice, which I love seeing they get plays 447 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: called back. He doesn't flinch, get right back down the 448 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: Field put points up on the board. I think he's 449 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: really tough. I use the comparison, which we had talked 450 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: about over the summer, was not popular, I think in 451 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: more than anything else, just because of the rivalry. But 452 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: I say he reminds me a lot of Baker. Like 453 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: Baker coming into his last year and people are like, oh, 454 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: you look at Baker's stats. I'm like, the next time 455 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: we talk about stats in the draft room and be 456 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: the first. I don't care about stats. I'm talking about 457 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: somebody who has a feistiness to him, a competitiveness to him, 458 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: who has a live arm, who can use his legs 459 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: to create if he has to, he can get himself 460 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: out of trouble. You get a free rusher, he can 461 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: beat a free rusher. Goes on the road to Ohio 462 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: State hostile environment, wins, goes on the yes youwers, goes 463 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: on the road against Alabama Nick Saban's Alabama goes in 464 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: there and gets a win. I think there's a lot 465 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: of that kind of that that that toughness, that fortitude 466 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: that those guys have that they share in common. But 467 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: lo and behold, I guess you're not allowed to compare 468 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: Texas and Oklahoma players because then everybody loses their mind. 469 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: Maybe not, but you're right man, from a mentality a 470 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 2: personality standpoint, DJ, And I'm sure we've talked to people 471 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: all over the league, but I'm sure you can talk 472 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: to people in Tampa about how Baker's presence has changed 473 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: the dynamic in the room. And we're not saying that 474 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: he's Tom Brady, but remember they have success win the 475 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: Super Bowl under Tom Brady, who's wired a certain way. 476 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 2: When it comes to the competitiveness, well Baker comes not 477 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: the same player as Tom, but the competitive nature he 478 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: has that you know, we always talk about a team 479 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 2: as a reflection of the coach, but the offense is 480 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: definitely a reflection of the quarterback and how the quarterback 481 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: presents himself and acts, and so in looking at Quinn, 482 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 2: viewers not only the talent, but the toughness and tenacity 483 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 2: as your team, and we talk about like those pillars 484 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: of what they believe in. Toughness is always one of 485 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: those things your quarterback has to exhibit it. He is 486 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 2: earning high marks for the toughness in tenacity that he's 487 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: displayed during the time with the Texas Longhorns. 488 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: Last thing on him high school quarterback, kind of a 489 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: legendary high school quarterback in Texas, and we see a 490 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: lot of these Texas quarterbacks in the NFL. They're littered 491 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,479 Speaker 1: throughout the league. Is there something to the fact that 492 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: these guys have played in college stadiums basically glorified college 493 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: stadiums in front of a big crowds and played in 494 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: pressure packed games literally from the time they were fourteen 495 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: to fifteen years old. 496 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. You only get comfortable on the big 497 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 2: stage by being on the big stage. There's nothing that 498 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: can replicate it. You can't do it in practice. You 499 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: can't do it. I mean, you can visualize it and 500 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: all that, but until you play in those big games. 501 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 2: And I remember this, and I don't know how you 502 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: were before games, Like did you remember those rubber legs 503 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 2: that you would get, like those first couple of plays 504 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 2: or whatever. I just remember, like for me, like returning 505 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: kicks like that first one. I was just like, Lord, 506 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: I just hope you'd let my legs move. But it 507 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: takes getting that. But understand, like those big moments where 508 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: you have to play the proressure or whatever we've talked about, 509 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 2: like your ability to win that game and wait for 510 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 2: us and people who don't know, but that at the 511 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: time that was a huge win for Appalachian State. How 512 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: you finished the game off and understanding, hey, this is 513 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: the moment, guys, we got to finish this off. Being 514 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: able to do it, how you handle those pressure moments 515 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 2: are really indicative of how you're going to do it 516 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 2: in the pros. But you only have an opportunity to 517 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: display that by doing it and doing it and over 518 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: and over again, and you get comfortable being in those environments. 519 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting. We have to do a little 520 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: study on that. By the way, the latest with the 521 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: with this season, I'd love to know the breakdown where 522 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks come from. Maybe we'll do that on the 523 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: next episode. Something to keep an eye on. Anything else 524 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: you want to throw out there before we get out 525 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: of here today, Buck, No, it's fun because we had 526 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: a chance to touch on a few different things. 527 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: But the Quinn Yours conversation is going to be a 528 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: fascinating one. I feel like sometimes when we go to 529 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: recruiting rankings and all this stuff, sometimes it comes full circle. 530 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: Started at the top, kind of disappeared and he may 531 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 2: make his way right back to the top. By the 532 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 2: time we get to the draft, if he comes out, 533 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: it all comes full circle. All right, that's going to 534 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 2: do it for us today. I hope you guys have 535 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: enjoyed hanging with us. We will see it tomorrow again. 536 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 2: We're five days a week right here. 537 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: On. Move the sticks.