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Speaker 2: How are you listen?
Speaker 3: I'm doing great, And I do got to give a
Speaker 3: shout out to Nick because he did text us back
Speaker 3: on Tuesday that as my man is going through Spain,
Speaker 3: he's like, YO, popped the show on and you guys
Speaker 3: sound good. And so I want to give a shout
Speaker 3: out to Nick that while he is with family on
Speaker 3: a much deserved, much needed vacation, as he's preparing mentally
Speaker 3: for what might be a tough season for his Chiefs,
Speaker 3: he found it not robbery to hit us up. So
Speaker 3: shout out to Nick right for chiming and showing us
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Speaker 1: My man. It's always to catch strays. Nice to catch
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Speaker 1: we are not talking about today. But man, this is
Speaker 1: big news. Tampa had a problem with one of the
Speaker 1: best players in the sport. His hold in paid out
Speaker 1: Vita Veya a one year, thirty million dollar exit. He's
Speaker 1: got to be happy about that. I know other teams
Speaker 1: who thought of maybe adding Theya through trade are not
Speaker 1: too excited about that. But that's a big win for Tampa. Indeed,
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell said he's going back from a gallon of
Speaker 1: coffee to a half gallon of coffee. That's probably good
Speaker 1: for all involved, you know, certainly Detroit media. It'll be
Speaker 1: commer press conferences, you hope. I'm still a gallon of
Speaker 1: day man myself. I don't know about you, Tai. If
Speaker 1: you're a coffee guy, yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm a zero zero milligrams a day at caffeine.
Speaker 2: A gallon sounds aggressive.
Speaker 3: It's you know, I'm a Celsius cause I shouldn't say
Speaker 3: zero milligrams of caffeine because I get it in during
Speaker 3: the workout via Celsius.
Speaker 2: But a gallon that sounds super aggressive.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: So look, Dan Campbell, who obviously has had some tremendous
Speaker 3: success in Detroit. Love to see him taking care of
Speaker 3: his health. Yo, damon, you're a gallon a day.
Speaker 1: I'll drink like two carass of coffee a day. I
Speaker 1: drink coffee and then when it gets room temperature, I
Speaker 1: throw ice in there. Now it's iced coffee. I could
Speaker 1: drink coffee almost every single time I grab a drink.
Speaker 3: As someone who just formally met you a couple of
Speaker 3: days ago, I do care about your health and safety,
Speaker 3: so I would advise you to cut back on that.
Speaker 3: Take a page out of bite your kneecaps. Dan Campbell's
Speaker 3: booking and cut down on that.
Speaker 1: Well, I wonder if he'll bite fewer kneecaps. I wonder
Speaker 1: if this will mean the lines will be less aggressive
Speaker 1: on fourth down. Now, I wonder if this gameplay I
Speaker 1: really do. I keep my coffee clean, though only black.
Speaker 1: I don't go with any cream or sugar. And that's
Speaker 1: where coffee really starts getting you. You start throwing in the
Speaker 1: cream the sugar, and next thing you know, you're drinking
Speaker 1: a milkshake. Fellow coffee drinkers of the world understand exactly
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about here and the one thing that
Speaker 1: we are not going to talk about, but we got
Speaker 1: to watch a little bit because it's funny Draymond getting
Speaker 1: scared by a lionhead goose. Watch this. Here you go,
Speaker 1: as you knew co host Draymond for your podcast. There
Speaker 1: you go. It's good footage right there. You know who
Speaker 1: really enjoyed that, Jordan Poole. Jordan Poole, huge, huge fan
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Speaker 3: That's a gift that's going to live forever for all
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Speaker 3: What I expect to be a little bit of a
Speaker 3: bumpy ride of a season for the Golden State Warriors
Speaker 3: that will make its rounds on social media. So I'm
Speaker 3: excited for that as someone who has been critical of Draymond.
Speaker 2: Especially how he did my man Katie dirty.
Speaker 1: You know what I've always said about Draymond, and feel
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Speaker 3: Listen, I don't take it personally because when you're sitting
Speaker 3: in a chair of one Nicholas, right, I know we
Speaker 3: use this as a cliche, big shoes to fill and
Speaker 3: so the moment you don't see him on your screen,
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Speaker 2: But I thought we did a nice job. I just
Speaker 2: came away enjoying it absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I have friends who were the harshest critics
Speaker 1: of my career, and they're like, hey, how long you
Speaker 1: been working with ty? I said, how long was Tuesday's show? Like, Hey,
Speaker 1: you guys had pretty good chemistry. And I agree, So
Speaker 1: let's get it back into the lab and see what
Speaker 1: the chemistry comes up with today. I know we've got
Speaker 1: some really interesting stuff. Something that you're very passionate about
Speaker 1: is where we're starting here today. All right.
Speaker 3: So I'm doing my own thing last night, minding my
Speaker 3: own business.
Speaker 2: I'm a New York Yankees fan.
Speaker 3: So I'm watching my team once again failed to come
Speaker 3: through for unders in scoring position. They did win the game,
Speaker 3: but all of a sudden coming across my Twitter timeline
Speaker 3: was this blockbuster trade. Now, we had been waiting for
Speaker 3: some Peyton Watson news and we got it last night.
Speaker 3: So got the trade, and in this massive trade the
Speaker 3: Calves they get Peyton Watson from the Nuggets. They also
Speaker 3: get a twenty twenty second second or twenty twenty seven
Speaker 3: second rounder from the Clippers that's going to the Wizards.
Speaker 2: Cam Whitmore goes to the Wizards. Then you get the Nuggets.
Speaker 3: So we're like, all right, traded Peyton Watson, Nuggets gotta
Speaker 3: be coming up with something good here.
Speaker 2: No, they get.
Speaker 3: All they got was an unprotected twenty thirty one Caves
Speaker 3: first round pick. You got a twenty thirty two King
Speaker 3: second rounder and Julian reached from the Wizards. The Clippers
Speaker 3: get Max Strus, the Wizards get trade man from the Calves,
Speaker 3: and you got a second rounder going to them. And
Speaker 3: so why I felt so passionately about this is when
Speaker 3: people crush players for changing teams. Well, back in my day,
Speaker 3: the Stars were loyal to one franchise. Watch what the
Speaker 3: Denver Nuggets have done post twenty twenty three championship, and
Speaker 3: you'll immediately find it silly that you can be critical
Speaker 3: of an athlete for staying in a bad marriage that
Speaker 3: didn't merit the best of results. Because what's gonna end
Speaker 3: up happening here? If Jokic does stay with the Nuggets,
Speaker 3: you'll look back on his career and say, eh, I
Speaker 3: look at him as a guy who should have won more.
Speaker 3: You'll disparage him because his legacy is that of being
Speaker 3: one of the greatest players of all time. Bring a
Speaker 3: three time League MVP and despite all of those credentials,
Speaker 3: all he came away from it was with one championship.
Speaker 3: That'll negative toy impact his legacy. And so it is
Speaker 3: a horror fying day. And one of our producers he's
Speaker 3: a Nuggets fan. I asked him before the show, just
Speaker 3: how's your day going, and he said, I'm disgusted. I
Speaker 3: feel terrible because what you're watching is the Denver Nuggets
Speaker 3: front office continue to waste away the prime of a
Speaker 3: guy who I would still argue is the best player
Speaker 3: in basketball, and this trade is continued.
Speaker 2: Evidence of it.
Speaker 3: I know we'll get to the second Apron in a moment,
Speaker 3: but what a what a travesty man, what a nightmares
Speaker 3: of an evening. If you are a fan of the Denver.
Speaker 1: Nuggets, nothing gets in the way of a good time
Speaker 1: more than getting the bill for that good time, right
Speaker 1: and you're handed the bill for your night and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh man, we got to pay this. And we will
Speaker 1: get into the second apron and the aspect of me
Speaker 1: having to understand one of the most difficult to understand
Speaker 1: salary cap wrinkles and CBA wrinkles in any sport. It
Speaker 1: is such punitive damage the Second Apron, and it might
Speaker 1: as well be called the Joe Laka brule. The Second
Speaker 1: Apron was basically invented to break up the Warriors because
Speaker 1: everyone basically and Nick Wright is a part of this
Speaker 1: misinformation that was put out there that then the Warriors
Speaker 1: actually did something wrong when they added Kevin Durant. They
Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong. They had an incredible draft and
Speaker 1: developed situation going on with Steph Curry and Draymond Green
Speaker 1: and at the time Harrison Barnes and things just they
Speaker 1: hit on so much. Draymond Green, those players all got
Speaker 1: so expensive, and then because of a growing NBA media deal,
Speaker 1: there was a huge bump in the salary cap in
Speaker 1: the one year that Durant was sitting there, and they
Speaker 1: were able to put together the Hampton five and the
Speaker 1: rest is history. Well, the NBA wanted to kill its
Speaker 1: own Golden State goose, and so the second Apron might
Speaker 1: as well be called the Joe Lacob tax. And what
Speaker 1: bothers me is the Joe Lacob tax isn't punitive because
Speaker 1: teams have been financially irresponsible. It's basically, you are being
Speaker 1: levied this huge tax for what in the Nuggets case
Speaker 1: would be a desire to retain the asset that you developed. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean Watson is the twenty three year
Speaker 1: old wing that you want, and the Nuggets are walking
Speaker 1: away from this player because to retain him after the
Speaker 1: second apron, it's like you're paying him super max money.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about things in the NBA that
Speaker 1: really really pissed me off, The fact that we have
Speaker 1: contractual pay obligations attached directly to postseason placement that media
Speaker 1: votes on. The NBA has just done it all so wrong.
Speaker 1: They've done I'm on them all for players making as
Speaker 1: much money as possible, but the amount of money that
Speaker 1: it now requires to hold on to a group of
Speaker 1: stars and then the fringe players around them that really
Speaker 1: make the stars shine the brightest. Because this is about fit.
Speaker 1: This is about basketball team, not just in basketball individuals
Speaker 1: and how their salaries fit together. You want to collect
Speaker 1: a team built around how the players fit together. And
Speaker 1: basketball has just put the financial cart before the actual
Speaker 1: basketball horse, and the second apron is like an admission
Speaker 1: that we need to protect these owners from themselves when
Speaker 1: they're still making money hand over fist. It drives me nuts,
Speaker 1: and you can say that the Nuggets are pissing you off.
Speaker 1: I get it, I do, but it's really not their
Speaker 1: fault to walk away from a concept of all right,
Speaker 1: well so if we hold on to you know, Watson,
Speaker 1: we don't make any money this year. That's how much
Speaker 1: that tax is being levied against us.
Speaker 2: So two things, two things can be true.
Speaker 3: One is the Nuggets, after winning their championship, have botched
Speaker 3: the Nikole Jochic experience.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: The second thing is the second Apron is a disaster
Speaker 3: that I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Because here's the deal.
Speaker 3: Kristin Brown is going to be the most hated player
Speaker 3: in Denver today simply because he was offered a contract
Speaker 3: last year and accepted it. And what it led to
Speaker 3: was the following offseason the Nuggets losing Peyton Watson for nothing.
Speaker 3: So everyone's going to kill the Nuggets as I just
Speaker 3: did for the Brown contract.
Speaker 2: But here's the deal. You can make the argument Kristin.
Speaker 3: Brown going into his contract seat or going into getting
Speaker 3: his contract, had a better year than Peyton Watson had.
Speaker 3: This past season, Brown compared to Watson, averaged more points,
Speaker 3: more rebounds, morsists about the same three point percentage, more
Speaker 3: efficient on twos and started more games. And so while understandably,
Speaker 3: as I just laid out, the frustration can be on
Speaker 3: Denver's front office because by the way, they had the
Speaker 3: option of just saying, bleep it, we're going all in
Speaker 3: on this team. You got the best player in basketball.
Speaker 3: Screw your tax bill, We'll pay it because it's worth it.
Speaker 3: But since you know, my real problem is this second apron.
Speaker 3: You're penalizing teams for drafting and developing players. And they
Speaker 3: should not have had to make a choice between Brown
Speaker 3: and Watson, with the choice coming a year before, you
Speaker 3: got a chance to see what Watson could become. And
Speaker 3: we saw, you know, smallest sample size, but he was
Speaker 3: really good for them, and one of the reasons why
Speaker 3: they got bounced in the first round was because he
Speaker 3: heard his hamstring. And so I just get so sick
Speaker 3: and tired, so sick and tired of this being phrased
Speaker 3: as you know, we want to increase parody in the NBA,
Speaker 3: where it's like, no, you actually want to curb how
Speaker 3: much these players can make and put more money in
Speaker 3: the pockets of these owners.
Speaker 2: And this is the.
Speaker 3: Excuse they have to break up championship teams because you
Speaker 3: can't sit here and tell me. What helps parody is
Speaker 3: stopping the Nuggets from resigning Peyton Watson. What helped parody
Speaker 3: is stopping the Knicks from resigning Mitchell Robinson.
Speaker 1: Like that's helping the Nuggets is sending to contender and
Speaker 1: champion is parody? That is like that is what you wanted,
Speaker 1: and so you kind of got what you wanted, and
Speaker 1: now they basically get pinioned under their own success. All right,
Speaker 1: So I think that both of us are solution based hosts.
Speaker 1: So here's my solution. The number one problem in the
Speaker 1: NBA is load management. Yes, I had solved load management.
Speaker 1: It's so simple. Why the NBA cannot figure it out
Speaker 1: is beyond me. Start your regular season earlier and your
Speaker 1: regular season later. If the NBA Finals don't end in
Speaker 1: June but rather July, nobody's gonna care. What you need
Speaker 1: is more time. Don't stack the games on top of
Speaker 1: each other back to backs hurt your veteran players. You
Speaker 1: need more time. Guess what, I just invented it. Instead
Speaker 1: of starting your season in late October, start your season
Speaker 1: in early October. So there you go, Adam Silver, I
Speaker 1: hope you're watching. I just solved the biggest problem in
Speaker 1: your sport. I think the second biggest problem in your
Speaker 1: sport is this second apron and I'd like to solve
Speaker 1: that for you too. Players drafted do not count dollar
Speaker 1: for dollar the same way as players that you acquire
Speaker 1: during via trade or free agency. That the if you
Speaker 1: bring in a player via free agency, you trade for
Speaker 1: a player, you got to trade for that contract, you
Speaker 1: got to eat that whole meal. But when you want
Speaker 1: to turn around and re sign a player that you
Speaker 1: have drafted, that salary, when it becomes absorbitant, should not
Speaker 1: quite dollar for dollar hit your books the same way
Speaker 1: a free agent salary would. Can we do that? I mean,
Speaker 1: I just like the NBA has major problems. They got
Speaker 1: very rich, smart people thinking about this. I am just
Speaker 1: a fill in host and I freaking figured it out already.
Speaker 3: What is the problem, Because then the unintended consequence becomes.
Speaker 3: You know, Wemby takes less money than he could have
Speaker 3: gotten next year, so next year he could have gotten
Speaker 3: fifty million more, and he's viewed as like this saying
Speaker 3: he's a hero, whereas Kat who's due for an extension
Speaker 3: with the Knicks if he takes the most money or
Speaker 3: any this to say, young superstar who hasn't won yet
Speaker 3: takes more money, they become villified. They're not given their
Speaker 3: to you know, they're not on a team friendly deal.
Speaker 2: Do you actually care.
Speaker 3: About winning championships or is it about getting the bag?
Speaker 3: And that just feels unfair to me, And so.
Speaker 1: This is John Winston's fault, right, this is the Brunsening
Speaker 1: of the NBA. You're going to be asked to take
Speaker 1: less to build more around you, and that is unfair
Speaker 1: to hand that build to the players when there's more
Speaker 1: than enough money to go around to everyone. We see
Speaker 1: that everywhere. And these billionaires again, I don't think people
Speaker 1: understand the difference between million and billion. That's a big difference.
Speaker 1: It's a really big difference. It's not one hundred million,
Speaker 1: that's a thousand million dollars to be a billionaire. It's
Speaker 1: what to count to a million. If you just started one, two, three, four,
Speaker 1: it would take me eleven days to get to a million,
Speaker 1: counting twenty four hours a day. To get to a billion,
Speaker 1: it would take me thirty three years. That's the difference.
Speaker 1: So the intrinsic value of NBA teams goes up with
Speaker 1: every single TV contract with every new deal. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest problems, you know, not
Speaker 1: just with sports, but with our country. And you could
Speaker 1: even say, well, this is you know, society and sports
Speaker 1: or microcosm, blah blah blah. It's just having ring every
Speaker 1: single dollar out of every moment for the maximum value
Speaker 1: of it is just it's suffocating people. It's suffocating you
Speaker 1: at the grocery store. It's suffocating you as you're buying nuggets, tickets.
Speaker 1: You know, it's suffocating you as you're watching your team.
Speaker 1: This everyone having to make the most amount of money
Speaker 1: at all times, no exception to the rule from the
Speaker 1: starting power forward to the price of that bucket of popcorn.
Speaker 1: It is it's ugly, it's too greedy, and there's no
Speaker 1: going back.
Speaker 3: And by the way, that we haven't even hit on
Speaker 3: what might be the most important aspect of this story,
Speaker 3: and it's well, what does jo kids think about, you know,
Speaker 3: everything happening around him, Because he's thinking about horses, right,
Speaker 3: he's also thinking about that sixty two million dollar player
Speaker 3: option he's got next year, which he can opt out
Speaker 3: of for a mega contract, or he can test free agency.
Speaker 2: And so for the first nugget, fans.
Speaker 3: The last couple of years have had every reason to
Speaker 3: have trepidation about Yolkic and his standing within the organization,
Speaker 3: coaches being fired and everything that's taking place with them.
Speaker 3: This is a day where you're hitting the panic button
Speaker 3: because you have.
Speaker 2: Seemingly moved further and further.
Speaker 3: Oh, you might be the furthest away from being a
Speaker 3: contender since you won the title back in twenty three.
Speaker 3: And so if Jokic values winning championships and that is
Speaker 3: the number one.
Speaker 2: Priority, how does he look at what's.
Speaker 3: Happening in Denver and say, yeah, that's the place I
Speaker 3: want to sign my next contract with.
Speaker 1: I was unprotected twenty thirty one, supposed to help him
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Now right like in the prime of his career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's it's a little ridiculous.
Speaker 3: The Nuggets are still a good team. As long as
Speaker 3: Aaron Gordon is healthy and you've got Jamal Murray, there's
Speaker 3: still a good team. Christian b after getting that contract,
Speaker 3: was awful last year, so maybe he's better. Cam Johnson
Speaker 3: I thought had a rough season. Maybe you can flip
Speaker 3: him because he's an expiring contract.
Speaker 2: So there are still there are still ways the Nuggets
Speaker 2: can be an interesting team next year, but I don't
Speaker 2: know how you look at them and say, yeah, they're
Speaker 2: gonna win the West. Here's the thing you should because
Speaker 2: they have Jokics.
Speaker 1: Good is available to anyone in the NBA. Greatness is
Speaker 1: being denied. Good is available. Greatness is being denied. And
Speaker 1: should you actually go out of your way to achieve greatness,
Speaker 1: it will be stripped from you due to financial constraints
Speaker 1: more than your own incompetence, or your own bad choices,
Speaker 1: or your own inability to retain your own talent. Is
Speaker 1: it's a little bit backwards. And what the NBA consistently
Speaker 1: gets backwards is we have an actual basketball conversation here,
Speaker 1: but we have to sift through files and paperwork and
Speaker 1: the accounting of how teams are put together more than
Speaker 1: just hey, how do they actually fit together? From a
Speaker 1: basketball standpoint, due the Cavaliers are big winners in this
Speaker 1: twenty three year old Watson is the wing that you
Speaker 1: want with more helps gives them, you know, and they
Speaker 1: give up nothing of importance to add two good young
Speaker 1: players to a team that was pretty good last year.
Speaker 1: So the Cavaliers, just from a basketball standpoint, are the
Speaker 1: big winners in this, so you know, it's I'm so
Speaker 1: tired of the business of sports getting in the way
Speaker 1: of sports.
Speaker 3: And I want to hit on the cast for a
Speaker 3: moment because it's funny, like the day after they emerge
Speaker 3: as big winners, they're not even the least story despite
Speaker 3: the fact that they were an Eastern Conference finals team.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is a big move for them.
Speaker 3: It's a home run because, as you just pointed out,
Speaker 3: it's one of the missing ingredients. And they swung on
Speaker 3: a trade last two trade deadlines ago for DeAndre Hunter
Speaker 3: that didn't work. They tried to do it during the
Speaker 3: draft with Acoro they got him. I believe it was
Speaker 3: the fifth pick that didn't work. I thought best off
Speaker 3: season imaginable is you get Lebron to come home he
Speaker 3: saw a lot of your issues, or some pipe dream
Speaker 3: world trade for Kevin Durant that obviously doesn't happen. But
Speaker 3: of all the case scenarios that were realistic, this ends
Speaker 3: up being one of the best and so good for
Speaker 3: the Calves and an Eastern Conference that they're seeing has
Speaker 3: gotten better. Right, Like we know, Jalen Brown and Lebron
Speaker 3: going to Philly, the Knicks of the ragning champs and
Speaker 3: the Knicks smoked them. The Raptors at some point might
Speaker 3: end up with Kawhi Leonard if this investigation ever comes
Speaker 3: to a halt. And so they had to make a
Speaker 3: move and they did so, so you know, credit to
Speaker 3: them for doing that, and then we would expect Harden's
Speaker 3: going to return at some point.
Speaker 1: Have we talked half the show on this one subject
Speaker 1: pretty much? Shoot, should we start moving on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. But I'm an NBA guy, soyah.
Speaker 3: I love these stories and it's it's fun. It's not
Speaker 3: fun for our producer Daniel Face pumping this entire segment.
Speaker 1: But yeah, let's go to some football. It's gotta hurt.
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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts back in the crosshairs after a joint practice
Speaker 1: where he's what picked off three times? Oh my goodness, Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: New England joint practice ahead of their preseason game on Saturday,
Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts nineteen to twenty seven, no touchdowns, three interceptions,
Speaker 1: one of them being a pick six, and you know,
Speaker 1: immediately somebody in Philadelphia says, you know, in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four training camp he went three hundred and five
Speaker 1: straight passes without an interception. Okay, all right here we are.
Speaker 2: Wait, can I say something about that real quick?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, because we're filling in for Nick, and I remember
Speaker 3: Nick's take about that training camp where he didn't throw
Speaker 3: any interceptions, and Nick actually found that to be a
Speaker 3: bad thing. I remember Nick saying this is bad news
Speaker 3: because it feels like and I'm paraphrasing, So I apologize
Speaker 3: Nick if I'm getting a little bit of this wrong.
Speaker 3: But I remember something along the lines of it means
Speaker 3: he's not being aggressive enough. You would like to see
Speaker 3: more interceptions because you want him to take chances. You
Speaker 3: want him going throwing the ball down the field, you
Speaker 3: want him spreading it around, you want him throwing it
Speaker 3: across the middle of the field, which we know he
Speaker 3: has a propensity not to do. And so two years
Speaker 3: ago Nick found this to be slightly concerning. So I
Speaker 3: would be curious what's Nick's take now seeing it. Yesterday
Speaker 3: he threw three interceptions, one which came on a tip path,
Speaker 3: So give him a little bit of you know, courtesy there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, it's got some hiccups.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I guess I have to say the words.
Speaker 1: I don't like saying these words. I agree with Nick.
Speaker 1: I think interceptions. I think interceptions have been so publicly
Speaker 1: vilified and they shouldn't be. Sometimes an interception deep down
Speaker 1: the field is as good as a punt on special teams.
Speaker 1: Not all interceptions are created equal, and interceptions are the
Speaker 1: price of doing business aggressively as a quarterback. I don't
Speaker 1: think interceptions are the single worst thing that can happen
Speaker 1: in a football You know where, when, Where on the
Speaker 1: game clock, where on the scoreboard, where on the field.
Speaker 1: It all happens. Not all interceptions are created equal, and
Speaker 1: among the most benign interceptions in the history of football
Speaker 1: are all the ones that you throw in training camp,
Speaker 1: which is just practice. It doesn't matter. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you a question here, ty, Do you know how many
Speaker 1: interceptions Dan Marino threw in nineteen ninety eight in Dolphins
Speaker 1: training camp.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a high number.
Speaker 1: No one knows because we didn't have Twitter, and we
Speaker 1: weren't suffocating ourselves with the NFL's information twenty four hours
Speaker 1: a day. It didn't matter. It didn't matter. I care
Speaker 1: about three training camp interceptions as much as I care
Speaker 1: about three training camp touchdowns.
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean anything. It's training camp. It's practice. Go ahead,
Speaker 4: make your mistakes in practice. You'll learn from a stade.
Speaker 4: We are sitting there trying to box score practice. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: We're carrying.
Speaker 3: So I'm excited because this might be the first time
Speaker 3: where we legitimately have a disagreement.
Speaker 2: On the show. And here here is where I will
Speaker 2: push back.
Speaker 3: So I don't typically care about training camp practices and
Speaker 3: joint practices unless you've had significant changes in your off season,
Speaker 3: and like I don't know, a new offensive coordinator, like
Speaker 3: losing your best weapon, like bringing in new guys like
Speaker 3: Mackay Lemon, and you know, having Devonte Smith, he's elevated
Speaker 3: on the depth chart, and those two receivers have not
Speaker 3: been pressent present because they're dealing with hamstring issues. And
Speaker 3: so in a year when you've got massive pressure your
Speaker 3: head coaches on.
Speaker 2: A hot seat.
Speaker 3: People are ready to run you out of Philadelphia, and
Speaker 3: we're asking you to run a new offense where we
Speaker 3: want to see you under center more, we want to
Speaker 3: see you throw the ball over the field more, we
Speaker 3: want to see you be a guy that can lead
Speaker 3: the team back to the Super Bowl. I do care
Speaker 3: a lot about some of the struggles because a lot
Speaker 3: of the situation has changed around him, and he's coming
Speaker 3: off of a very very disappointing year.
Speaker 2: And so while while it.
Speaker 3: Might not be the biggest deal in the world, the
Speaker 3: actual intercepted passes. I think the circumstances surrounding it would
Speaker 3: have you on high alert if you're an Egles fan.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we do agree on this, We're not really disagree.
Speaker 1: We're sort of kind of veering off on what we did.
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts his biggest problem is not those interceptions. It
Speaker 1: is all the moving parts. This is his sixth offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator going into his seventh NFL season. That's a bigger
Speaker 1: problem for him. Uh, the fact that a relationship with
Speaker 1: an A plus receiver deteriorated and he wasn't able to
Speaker 1: salvage that through either drinking gallons of coffee together, or
Speaker 1: going out to dinner together, or going to the club together,
Speaker 1: or going to Bible study together, or just doing whatever
Speaker 1: it takes to repair and important. I'm your quarterback, you're
Speaker 1: my wide receiver. Relationship with AJ Brown, that's Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: his problem, as much as as the moving coordinators around him.
Speaker 1: And of course it's all nestled in the always comfortable
Speaker 1: sports city of Philadelphia, which apparently is dying to forget.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. I'm a little older, I'm a
Speaker 1: officially old enough to remember the twenty twenty four season
Speaker 1: when Jalen Hurts went four to zero in the playoffs
Speaker 1: and won the Super Bowl. Yes, I mean, by the way, Lebron,
Speaker 1: this is what you're signing up for, dude. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl and they are just knives out
Speaker 1: for him. Still not good enough for us, even though
Speaker 1: the offensive line isn't what it used to be, This
Speaker 1: defense isn't what it used to be. New coordinator every
Speaker 1: five minutes around here, it's it's it's it's nuts how
Speaker 1: a guy reaches the mountaintop and then they're just looking
Speaker 1: for ways to disregard you. I think Jalen Hurts is
Speaker 1: a pretty darn good quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: So I agree with you, and I have argued that
Speaker 3: he is maybe the most disrespected quarterback in football. And
Speaker 3: it's based a lot on like how it looks like
Speaker 3: he's not the prettiest thing to watch the tush push.
Speaker 3: Is he really good or is it a product of
Speaker 3: all of the talent around him? We give Howie Roseman
Speaker 3: all the credit. No one wants to get you know
Speaker 3: what's so funny? So apparently Nick Sirianni isn't any good
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurst isn't any good. But all they do is
Speaker 3: when seventy percent of their games they go to two
Speaker 3: Super Bowls and win one. So somebody's might gotta be good,
Speaker 3: Like the two most important positions, somebody's got to be good.
Speaker 1: But I'm when the Olyfall teams would kill for that
Speaker 1: level of failure.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, It's just that in Philly, when it's bad, it's
Speaker 3: real bad, like the end of season losing five of
Speaker 3: six and getting dusted in the playoffs by the Bucks,
Speaker 3: and then the way last year went obviously was underwhelming.
Speaker 3: And so again, while I agree with you that I
Speaker 3: think there is a bit of an unfair standard when
Speaker 3: it comes to Jalen Hurts, I tend to treat the
Speaker 3: preseason and training camp a little bit more seriously when
Speaker 3: there are a bunch of moving parts, knowing that this
Speaker 3: is and you know, we were supposed to talk about
Speaker 3: Nick Sirianni like your coach is on the hottest seat
Speaker 3: in the league and if you guys don't deliver, like
Speaker 3: there are going to be massive changes that happen next
Speaker 3: off season, a year after massive changes happened this past
Speaker 3: offseason that we can directly link back to you and
Speaker 3: your inability, as you just pointed out, to repair the
Speaker 3: relationship with your stud receiver, and especially if he goes
Speaker 3: on to New England and him and Drake May are
Speaker 3: cooking and they're lighting it up. Think about what the
Speaker 3: headlines are going to be.
Speaker 1: Then it's they'll be loud. We do know that. We
Speaker 1: do know that. By the way, A J. Brown caught
Speaker 1: a team high seven passes with the starting offense on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: So I'm guess that and I guess, And that just
Speaker 1: ratcheted everything up a little bit too, right.
Speaker 3: And then the quote when aj is asked about like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know going up against Villy, He's like, yeah, I've
Speaker 3: spoken to my teammates and they're like, how about Jealand
Speaker 3: Hurts And he's like, nah, I haven't really spoken him yet.
Speaker 1: It's there is the there, it is, there's the problem.
Speaker 1: This is how we got here, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, But it's a fun storyline.
Speaker 3: Listen, Eagles go out there and win the Super Bowl again,
Speaker 3: we'll be having the same conversations about Jalen Hurris. You
Speaker 3: and I would be defending him, and then the media
Speaker 3: be saying, oh, he's not that good.
Speaker 1: It feels like people think that, you know, a player
Speaker 1: eventually reaches his Madden rating and then there's never going
Speaker 1: to be a backslide like they reach they reach the
Speaker 1: peak of their super prime and then nothing is going
Speaker 1: to knock them off that super prime at all, and
Speaker 1: everything is going to go forward. Progress is not linear.
Speaker 1: Even the good ones take step backwards in sometimes in
Speaker 1: some ways. And you know, I guess this kind of
Speaker 1: brings us to c J. Stroud Moving on, and you
Speaker 1: want to talk about how situations dictate careers. Here's a
Speaker 1: career that when we first saw it in his year,
Speaker 1: we were all sort of blown away by how you know,
Speaker 1: duck to water. He just looked like he was ready
Speaker 1: to take over football. Then things started changing around him,
Speaker 1: you know, coaching changes, We've got an awful lot of
Speaker 1: injuries to his wide receivers. He developed early chemistry with
Speaker 1: Tank Dell, Tank Dell bad injury, Miko Collins bad injury.
Speaker 1: Then the injuries came to the offensive line and there
Speaker 1: was just massive regression. And progress isn't linear. I still
Speaker 1: think CJ. Stroud is a pretty good quarterback, but the
Speaker 1: situation around him as good as that defense became under
Speaker 1: Tamiko Ryans, they haven't been able to just walk that
Speaker 1: tightrope of nothing to worry about on this offense, not
Speaker 1: at all, And that is what is leading to the
Speaker 1: spotlight on Stroud again. A very good young player who
Speaker 1: is dedicated to the craft. You don't hear about him
Speaker 1: being in the club. You hear about him being in
Speaker 1: the film room. He's studying, he's doing all only ken.
Speaker 1: But you got to ride in with the horses that
Speaker 1: brought you there, and the Houston Texans, their horses keep
Speaker 1: getting hurt around him. I like Stroud, but the situation
Speaker 1: isn't what it used to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the problem for him is a couple of things.
Speaker 3: One he hasn't gotten his contract yet. The second thing
Speaker 3: is I still believe CJ. Stroud can be a really
Speaker 3: good quarterback.
Speaker 2: But the longer.
Speaker 3: Time elapses between what we now see, which is not good,
Speaker 3: and his rookie season, and you didn't question was that
Speaker 3: an aberration? And if you're the Texans, whether it's the
Speaker 3: organization or if you're a fan, you have to be
Speaker 3: looking at last year as a wasted opportunity because it's
Speaker 3: like Man Mahomes wasn't there in the playoffs. No, Lamar
Speaker 3: the AFC for all intents and purposes, was wide. Oh
Speaker 3: but our quarterback had seven turnovers in two playoff games
Speaker 3: and we were cooked. And by the way, you know
Speaker 3: who who else struggled at quarterback during the playoffs last year,
Speaker 3: Drake May and yet they ended up in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: But he just wasn't as bad as CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 3: And when we look at the overall rosters, I'd say
Speaker 3: Houston's was better than New England.
Speaker 2: But CJ was as bad as you possibly could be.
Speaker 1: And they're seeing that was terrible.
Speaker 3: We's got the yips and then despite having like a
Speaker 3: dominant defense, you ended with disappointment. And so look, I
Speaker 3: don't want to pretend it's all CJ offensive line. He
Speaker 3: keeps getting hit, receivers going down, miss ting Dell for
Speaker 3: an entire year last year, and now he's got another
Speaker 3: receiver that's hurt. But it's like, man, like we we
Speaker 3: could have been the Seahawks last year, Like that could
Speaker 3: have been us, and yet it wasn't because you were terrible,
Speaker 3: and now we've got to pay you this big contract.
Speaker 2: And so it's like you're at a crossroads.
Speaker 1: If you're the Texans, it's every single quarterback is like
Speaker 1: running two races at once. How quickly can you figure
Speaker 1: out how to play in this league before your body
Speaker 1: gives out on you? Because this is the ultimate injury sport,
Speaker 1: and you know your body's going to give out on
Speaker 1: you or someone who you need desperately's body is going
Speaker 1: to give out on them. And then things change when
Speaker 1: that turns into offensive linemen and valuable receivers. And again
Speaker 1: this all started. You know, we decided to talk about
Speaker 1: this today because of the Jaden Higgins tearing his ACL man,
Speaker 1: and that just that changes things. And it's uh, I
Speaker 1: don't think he is responsible for the struggles of the
Speaker 1: Houston Texans as much as some people want to label
Speaker 1: it to him. It's circumstances, man, And nobody wants to Again,
Speaker 1: no one wants any nuance. They just want black or white,
Speaker 1: good or bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you almost become a victim of your own success.
Speaker 3: And like when we look back at what he was
Speaker 3: his rookie year, Like before Jaden's rookie season, it was like, oh, CJ,
Speaker 3: that's the best we've ever seen. And since he has
Speaker 3: not been anything close to that, Damon, it's.
Speaker 2: Like, all right, uh, are you going to prove.
Speaker 3: And what also, and this is gonna sound odd, what
Speaker 3: also hurts him is how tremendous their defenses because, as
Speaker 3: I just pointed out, like they should be a contender,
Speaker 3: and yet none of us think that they are because
Speaker 3: of the quarterback being the weak link. And you know,
Speaker 3: this year, he's got an opportunity to change the narrative.
Speaker 3: But the further we get removed from what we saw
Speaker 3: his rookie year, the less you believe he can tap
Speaker 3: back into that.
Speaker 1: By the way, you hear the did you hear about
Speaker 1: the Aziz al Schaier vegetable hoarding story? Have you heard
Speaker 1: about this?
Speaker 2: No? I haven't put me on what's going on?
Speaker 1: The Texans defense has just become ultra competitive, like who
Speaker 1: can take the fastest shower, Who can put their socks
Speaker 1: on the fastest? Who can walk to the meeting room
Speaker 1: the fastest? You have to be like a mall walker.
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to break the pace of a walk
Speaker 1: Who can walk to the meeting fastest? Who can acquire
Speaker 1: the most vegetable points in the weekly nutrition plan? And
Speaker 1: apparently Aziz al Shaier has been stealing sweet potatoes and
Speaker 1: vegetables from the commissaries so he can acquire the most
Speaker 1: vegetable points in meal time. So that's that's what I
Speaker 1: love about football. What I don't love about preseason football
Speaker 1: is counting interceptions as like, oh my god, this is
Speaker 1: this is what's going to matter now. The Texans defense
Speaker 1: bonding over vegetable points. That is probably going to matter
Speaker 1: more in the regular season than interceptions.
Speaker 3: You'd rather count pieces of vegetables than you know, total interceptions.
Speaker 1: I get it. I think I would. I think I would. Hey,
Speaker 1: everyone watching, leave us questions comments in the chat. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be taking viewer questions at the end of the show.
Speaker 1: Let us have it. We got thick skin. We're big boys.
Speaker 1: What could we be doing better when we come back
Speaker 1: on Tuesday Thursday next week. We're looking forward to that
Speaker 1: and maybe even throw a topic suggestion out there for
Speaker 1: the coming NFL season. You can do that too. Shall
Speaker 1: we move on down the board?
Speaker 2: Ty, let's do it, man, we got a lot to
Speaker 2: get to. I'm looking at the clock.
Speaker 1: I'm seriously, we're talking way past the clock here. Overtime's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot overtime unless we pick it up
Speaker 1: and start putting it down.
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Man, Let's talk some Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3: So, if I'm to be honest, well, first of all,
Speaker 3: it's ridiculous to question if this guy's a bust.
Speaker 2: I mean, he just got into the league.
Speaker 3: But I always felt like he was best suited to
Speaker 3: play one side of the ball. And look, as a
Speaker 3: sports fan, it's cool, right if you can play both sides.
Speaker 3: We see what's going on with Show Hail Tiny, it's fantastic.
Speaker 3: But even with Show him, he's not pitching right now
Speaker 3: because he's always dealing with some arm elbow issue. And
Speaker 3: with Travis Hunter coming off of a season where it
Speaker 3: was cut short because of a knee injury, you do
Speaker 3: have to wonder if he is just best suited to
Speaker 3: play one side of the ball and maybe just be
Speaker 3: a gadget player on offense.
Speaker 2: And that's how I feel now.
Speaker 3: What I also find to be most interesting and maybe
Speaker 3: a little bit instructive is when you watch and you
Speaker 3: read about what's going on in training camp. He's mostly
Speaker 3: being used predominantly on defense, And when you read like
Speaker 3: the why, it's like, hey, it's we need high IQ,
Speaker 3: high IQ defensive minded players, so it requires more attention
Speaker 3: and we want most of the reps to go there,
Speaker 3: and we need you to get a little bit of
Speaker 3: a mental break. And so I think that the expectation
Speaker 3: if you're a jack span is to see him be
Speaker 3: most utilized on defense and then come into some special
Speaker 3: packages on offense and that'll set them best up for success.
Speaker 3: They were a top I believe it was top seven
Speaker 3: on both offense and defense, and so I think this
Speaker 3: would work fine. But if you're questioning whether or not
Speaker 3: he's a buster already, I think that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're way too early to get into that. The
Speaker 1: guy hasn't played twenty professional games yet, so everyone take
Speaker 1: a breath on that. I don't think people understand. And
Speaker 1: this is the privilege that we get by having credentialed lives,
Speaker 1: and we get around to athletes and we see the dedicate.
Speaker 1: Everybody's got talent. How much technique in detail goes into
Speaker 1: your talent is what really separates these guys. Travis Hunter,
Speaker 1: to come up with the technique and the detail it
Speaker 1: takes to be a shut down cornerback in the NFL
Speaker 1: is a full time job. To then add the technique
Speaker 1: in detail that comes with being an X Y or
Speaker 1: Z receiver. In this league, that is a full time job.
Speaker 1: To ask anybody to have two full time jobs when
Speaker 1: you're competing against the best in the world everywhere around
Speaker 1: you on the field, it's a big ass. And Travis
Speaker 1: Hunter's got more talent in his thumbnail than I have
Speaker 1: in my entire body. But learning the techniques or not
Speaker 1: learning the techniques will be the difference between sinking or
Speaker 1: swimming in this league. I would just go up to Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I would go up to the quarterback and I would
Speaker 1: just ask him, is there some sort of profound connection
Speaker 1: that you have with this guy that means he needs
Speaker 1: to spend thirty percent of every day working with you offensively,
Speaker 1: or just can we make him a corner one hundred
Speaker 1: percent of the time? If there is indeed a asked
Speaker 1: for by my franchise quarterback, agreed to by my pretty
Speaker 1: successful right off the rip head coach and Liam Cohne,
Speaker 1: if those guys are just, you know, completely ready to
Speaker 1: die on the hill that he must play wide receiver too,
Speaker 1: then I guess he must. But that's such a big ask,
Speaker 1: and he'll be a better corner if they don't ask
Speaker 1: him to do it.
Speaker 3: I just wonder, like, is there a way to satiate
Speaker 3: him by, like I said, special packages.
Speaker 1: Gadget him up, Yeah, gadget package.
Speaker 3: Like, yo, you want some tuddies, Like all right, we'll
Speaker 3: give you the ball in the red zone and you know,
Speaker 3: make it happen for us. But I just listen, like
Speaker 3: I understand coming in, And I can't say I understand
Speaker 3: because I'm not a football player.
Speaker 2: I'm not an athlete. I get that coming in.
Speaker 3: He wanted to do both because it's an amazing feat
Speaker 3: and what a tremendous story it would be. But play defense, man,
Speaker 3: be the best version of yourself on one side of
Speaker 3: the ball. Focus and lock in on that. And if
Speaker 3: y'all somehow go on and run you win the super Bowl,
Speaker 3: that to me is better than you getting hurt, you
Speaker 3: being known for playing two sides, like there is a
Speaker 3: bigger prize than you playing offense and defense. And we'll
Speaker 3: reward you, like I said, We'll give you a couple
Speaker 3: of gadget plays and packages. So I think that's the
Speaker 3: best way to attack this. If I'm the.
Speaker 1: Jags, that's definitely a way to keep the player happy. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, you want to keep players happy. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: player's happiness has to take a back seat to team priority.
Speaker 1: So again, Trevor, do you have a profound connection. Is
Speaker 1: there something that we just can't afford to bring up,
Speaker 1: Because if we can't afford to break it up, let's
Speaker 1: just put him on one side of the ball and
Speaker 1: get him really good over there. Let this guy get
Speaker 1: the ball back to you by making plays defensively, and
Speaker 1: let's go about winning games normally. It is so hard
Speaker 1: to be good at any one thing in football, much
Speaker 1: less any two things in football. You know, when you
Speaker 1: want to learn about a spot, what Nick Right, I'm
Speaker 1: sure is doing in Spain is looking for locals whenever
Speaker 1: he can find them. Don't tell me to go to
Speaker 1: the place on trip Advisor. Where are you and your
Speaker 1: family going for dinner tonight? I want a locals touch.
Speaker 1: And that brings us to coast to coast because I've
Speaker 1: been out in San Francisco for over twenty years now.
Speaker 1: I'm originally from the East Coast, but you are surrounded
Speaker 1: by it. You're the East Coast guy, I'm the West
Speaker 1: Coast guy. And we both have some questions for each other,
Speaker 1: some things going on in our backyards that you can't
Speaker 1: really understand unless you're in the backyard every day. I
Speaker 1: got to ask you about the happiness in the backyard
Speaker 1: that is New York City. Is New York City happy
Speaker 1: right now because of the Knicks. Is it still reverberating
Speaker 1: through the boroughs that the Knicks won this whole thing
Speaker 1: to the point where James Dolan can even walk down
Speaker 1: the street and no one's yelling nasty things at him.
Speaker 1: Has that happened?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 3: Because a lot of the frustration from Nick fans not
Speaker 3: having won in fifty three years stemmed from their annoyance
Speaker 3: with the owner, him getting in his hands and putting
Speaker 3: his hands in places where they shouldn't be, A lot
Speaker 3: of that damon has subsided post championship. Yo, I still
Speaker 3: have not gone a single day walk in the streets
Speaker 3: of New York City without seeing any type of Nick paraphernalia.
Speaker 3: And you see all the back orders coming in the
Speaker 3: championship hats, the shirts and all of that.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 3: I don't know that Dolan has a clean slate, But
Speaker 3: what I can tell you is doing radio in New
Speaker 3: York being, you know, around fans, there doesn't seem to
Speaker 3: be the same level of vitriol. And it obviously has
Speaker 3: come from the Knicks winning a championship. I also found
Speaker 3: it kind of endearing where he's on the podium in
Speaker 3: City Hall and he apologized that it took so long,
Speaker 3: and he's like, I hope it doesn't take us long
Speaker 3: next time. And so I think, all it's cool with
Speaker 3: the Knick fans. They've got a lot of motion and
Speaker 3: they're just on this high man. Like I've said this too,
Speaker 3: Like even if they go into the season and they're
Speaker 3: the sixth seed, like nick Fins are feeling so confident
Speaker 3: and on top of the world. There's such a cloud
Speaker 3: nine elements to it where they're like, Yo, we're gonna
Speaker 3: win the East again and we'll be fine.
Speaker 1: I really think speeding, yeah, I mean, seating doesn't even matter.
Speaker 1: You just want to get to the postseason healthy, take
Speaker 1: your chances healthy. When you've done it and you know
Speaker 1: you can do it, that matters. I also remember that
Speaker 1: within forty eight hours of the nixt winning their championship,
Speaker 1: we had quotes about not going into the second Apron.
Speaker 1: But again there's this damn second Apron rearing its ugly
Speaker 1: head again. I will say this about Dolan. I can't
Speaker 1: help but notice he was gone from Jimmy to James
Speaker 1: real quickly, right, So he's grown up. He is one
Speaker 1: for twenty seven He's on the Knicks for twenty seven years.
Speaker 1: That's an thirty seven batting average. So he's still got
Speaker 1: to keep it up. But even my nice thing about
Speaker 1: Dolan is this, have you been to the Sphere in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas yet? Because he did that? Oh dude, it is.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna argue right now that the greatest entertainer in
Speaker 1: America is not any one person. It is the video
Speaker 1: dome that is behind the stage at the Sphere. You
Speaker 1: don't even need the band there playing. You could just
Speaker 1: turn that damn screen on and that's the greatest entertainer
Speaker 1: in America. You gotta get to the Sphere first. Thing
Speaker 1: that even mildly interests you that playing at the Sphere,
Speaker 1: Get on an airplane, go to Vegas, see the Sphere
Speaker 1: with your own two eyes. It's you've never seen anything
Speaker 1: like it. So why won't think Dolan for that?
Speaker 3: And some people have surmised that maybe part of the
Speaker 3: reason why, you know, he kept his hands out of
Speaker 3: the cookie jar, so to speak, and allowed Leon Rosen
Speaker 3: and Worldwide West to do their job, was because he
Speaker 3: was focused on this big project out in Las Vegas,
Speaker 3: and so yeah, Nick fans are happy. Dolan has obviously,
Speaker 3: you know, not had the best track record. Nickson Vans
Speaker 3: were not pleased with who he was hanging out with
Speaker 3: in Game three in the suite at the Garden, which
Speaker 3: happened to be their only loss of the series.
Speaker 2: But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 3: Right now, there is such a level of elation they're
Speaker 3: not even thinking about the owner of the team. They're
Speaker 3: just like, yo, we've got our roster coming back with
Speaker 3: Mitchell Robinson notwithstanding, and we're just gonna run.
Speaker 2: This thing back.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. It was awesome to see the Garden
Speaker 1: in the postseason, just I mean at its most full
Speaker 1: throat rabbit. It was. It was great theater. It was
Speaker 1: great drama, it really was. And that's what the NBA
Speaker 1: needs to sell, not sick second apron stress. That's what
Speaker 1: the NBA needs to sell for us. So that was great.
Speaker 3: Does the NFL as we go now to the West Coast,
Speaker 3: does the NFL need to sell the San Francisco substation,
Speaker 3: this electrical substation in your city that allegedly is leading
Speaker 3: to a rash of forty nine ers injuries. Now, the Niners,
Speaker 3: of course, have dismissed these conspiracies, but it's fun on
Speaker 3: the internet. And so I ask you, as the resident
Speaker 3: Bay Area person on the show, is this substation something
Speaker 3: that fans of the Niners needs to be concerned about.
Speaker 1: I don't know, And that's why you need to be
Speaker 1: concerned about it. Perception becomes reality, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: that simple. I don't know if we can prove that
Speaker 1: it's doing damage. I don't know if the Niners can
Speaker 1: tangibly disprove it does absolutely nothing. I do know that
Speaker 1: Pat mcafe, they opened up a show talking about how
Speaker 1: this is practiced. Chernobyl and the forty nine ers are
Speaker 1: in an electrical prison when they're a training camp, and
Speaker 1: the pictures are unlike really any other NFL training camp.
Speaker 1: I don't know what is or isn't happening. I also
Speaker 1: know that football is an injury sport. I don't know
Speaker 1: how it's related. I don't know, you don't know, We
Speaker 1: don't know, but boy are we talking about it. Therefore,
Speaker 1: it is a problem for the forty nine ers. And
Speaker 1: then you know there's the there's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a cynic in me that says, all right, what if
Speaker 1: they really did find something was indeed wrong, would they
Speaker 1: share that information? Would they then what move their training camp,
Speaker 1: their practice facility, their headquarters, their stadium because it's next
Speaker 1: to this thing? All I know is a question that
Speaker 1: I was asked, if you were buying a house, would
Speaker 1: you want your house to be directly next to an
Speaker 1: electrical substation? And the definitive answer from everybody is no,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want that. I wouldn't want that. But the
Speaker 1: niners are right up against it, and I don't think
Speaker 1: there's anything they can do about it. And it's going
Speaker 1: to linger because once the Internet gets its teeth on something,
Speaker 1: it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Oh correct and when you see the injuries continue in
Speaker 3: the amount, it is just going to breathe life into
Speaker 3: this thing.
Speaker 2: Here's what I'll say. I think that it is.
Speaker 3: It is smart to operate with a healthy level of
Speaker 3: skepticism just throughout life, because it then can lead to
Speaker 3: you doing some homework, being educated on various subjects that
Speaker 3: you otherwise weren't educated on. There has been a ton
Speaker 3: of research that has debunked this theory, and so.
Speaker 2: I know we live in a world where it's like
Speaker 2: a man, damn the research.
Speaker 3: I don't care about what the experts or the scientists
Speaker 3: are saying the world.
Speaker 1: I googled it, so now I'm an expert.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Like I tend to lend, you know, as
Speaker 3: someone who is not privy to all of the details,
Speaker 3: I'm leaning on the homework I've done.
Speaker 2: I've seen experts study it.
Speaker 3: I saw a Pablo Tory, he had a podcast episode
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 2: This theory has been debunked.
Speaker 3: And so, as someone who is not a San Francisco resident,
Speaker 3: notty Niners fan, I'm all the way out here on
Speaker 3: the East Coast, I'm saying this is much ado about nothing.
Speaker 1: Thank you. But you know, we live in a world
Speaker 1: where people they wear their tinfoil hats with pride. That's
Speaker 1: what's going on. Let me let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: because this is about the fan experience. Okay, does anybody
Speaker 1: like going to MetLife stadium. It seems like Giants fans
Speaker 1: hate it. It seems like Jets fans hate it. It
Speaker 1: seemed like World Cup fans hate it. It seems like
Speaker 1: fans going to concerts hate it. Met Life seems to
Speaker 1: be about the most miserable day in a stadium, getting
Speaker 1: to it, paying through it, leaving it, ingress, egress, all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Is it as bad as everyone says it is?
Speaker 2: Yes, it's terrible.
Speaker 3: So I actually don't think I've been to MetLife since
Speaker 3: twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: It might be twenty.
Speaker 3: It was a Jets Patriots Week three game and I'm
Speaker 3: sitting in the rain. ESPN had an event that I
Speaker 3: was in attendance for, and you know, it was fine.
Speaker 3: It was cool because I got there like hours before.
Speaker 3: But no one likes going to MetLife Stadium between the traffic,
Speaker 3: yo getting out of that parking lot is an absolute disaster.
Speaker 3: It's a stadium that was built not all that long ago,
Speaker 3: and yet doesn't.
Speaker 2: Have the look or feel like it. And so, yes,
Speaker 2: MetLife Stadium, all that you have heard is correct about
Speaker 2: traveling there, being there, and the turf is bad as well.
Speaker 2: The turf stings.
Speaker 1: It does. It gets guys hurt. It feels like it
Speaker 1: gets If there was ever an NFL stadium that should
Speaker 1: have said, hey, you know what, we can put grass
Speaker 1: in here. We just did it for the World Cup.
Speaker 1: We're going to keep going with this, it was that
Speaker 1: stadium and they didn't. By the way, shame on the NFL.
Speaker 1: Players Association for not getting this done. It's the one
Speaker 1: thing that your entire association agrees on. We want grass
Speaker 1: in the stadia that have roofs. That's more difficult. I'll
Speaker 1: see you that there's no roof there that could be
Speaker 1: terf that can be converted to actual grass. And NFL
Speaker 1: players need to pull the linel messy dude, we ain't
Speaker 1: playing and this ain't right. I really wish they would.
Speaker 2: It's responsible from one of my most painful memories as
Speaker 2: a Jet fan, Aaron Rodgers tearing his achilles on Monday
Speaker 2: Night football.
Speaker 1: By the way, painful memories as a Jets fan. How
Speaker 1: big is that bouquet.
Speaker 2: Of hours we can do? We were an hour and
Speaker 2: we could do another hour on that.
Speaker 1: So I've just seen the note, by the way, passed
Speaker 1: along by the studio saying let's save these NFL rankings
Speaker 1: and games for next week. We are already too deep
Speaker 1: in overtime and we want to get to listener questions
Speaker 1: and comments and things like that. So I guess we
Speaker 1: should do that. Look at it. We spent so much
Speaker 1: time talking about second aprons and things, and we talked
Speaker 1: out our NFL segment.
Speaker 3: You know what it is that one show that we did.
Speaker 3: We developed so much chemistry. It's like two guys at
Speaker 3: a bar sitting down and having a conversation.
Speaker 2: It goes on and on and on.
Speaker 1: Blame the chemistry there. Yeah, I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1: The chemistry was so phenomenal. We just couldn't shut up
Speaker 1: and move on. So are we going listener questions? That's
Speaker 1: what the column says. In the column, it never lies,
Speaker 1: all right, Red Jetschell, who by the way, is a
Speaker 1: Damon Bruce plus regular. She is from Oakland. She's awesome
Speaker 1: Damon early in the morning. Whoa, how much did the
Speaker 1: extra coffee? How much did it take? Look, I just
Speaker 1: it's the same. I have it every day. I just
Speaker 1: I get my coffee delivered in bags. Get it, I
Speaker 1: get it, I get a shipped to the house. And
Speaker 1: my coffee is good coffee. It is good coffee. But
Speaker 1: we're crushing it and I will refill this before I
Speaker 1: do my show at eleven am West Coast, Red jet
Speaker 1: I hope to see you there. But thanks for watching
Speaker 1: the regulars tapping in. That's me awfully happy.
Speaker 3: No, that's great for you. So do you get a
Speaker 3: nap in before d because this is early. This is
Speaker 3: do you get a nap in.
Speaker 2: Before the next show or is the coffee just keeping No?
Speaker 1: You know, here's a lot. It's like I got a
Speaker 1: seven year old and a five year old, and I
Speaker 1: know I look way too old to have kids that young,
Speaker 1: but wife and I started late, and those beautiful boys
Speaker 1: of mine have me up like the rooster every morning,
Speaker 1: whether I want to be or not. So coffee is
Speaker 1: just part of function, That's what it is. I no naps,
Speaker 1: no days off. We just keep going forward. That's what
Speaker 1: we do. But I am through. I do go to
Speaker 1: bed about as early as a grandmother does these days.
Speaker 1: I'll admit that what time is that? Like ten thirty?
Speaker 1: I'm usually tapping out, man, Well.
Speaker 3: Get it in man before the football season starts. Gotta
Speaker 3: get it in.
Speaker 1: Now, Absolutely, gotta get it in. Let's see. Andy is
Speaker 1: asking did Shaq's title with the Heat add to his legacy?
Speaker 1: Thanks for the question, Andy, Absolutely, I think the answers
Speaker 1: of course, yes, all titles legacies.
Speaker 3: What championship I guess unless you're Kevin Durant doesn't answer
Speaker 3: your legacy. And also remember three years after that, Kobe
Speaker 3: then wins the first of two championships. So remember there
Speaker 3: was like this Kobe versus Shack thing, Who's gonna win more?
Speaker 3: And so when Shack immediately wins going to Miami, it looked.
Speaker 2: Bad on Kobe.
Speaker 3: But Kobe then follows that up by going to three
Speaker 3: straight finals and winning two. So you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously it adds to his legacy. But then in the
Speaker 3: context of what Kobe was able to do without him
Speaker 3: in LA, it was massive for him. As we sit
Speaker 3: back and look back on you know what happened with
Speaker 3: that twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm a big believer. There are no stupid questions
Speaker 1: but that that's that's getting close, right, all all championships matter.
Speaker 1: It probably matter too much. To be totally honest with you,
Speaker 1: I think that we've you know, drowned ourselves in ring culture, uh,
Speaker 1: to the point where you know, it's it's it's it's annoying,
Speaker 1: it's become obnoxious. It really really has. Yes, but that
Speaker 1: added to Shack's legacy, and it certainly added to his
Speaker 1: legacy more than his time with what the Cavaliers, the Celtics,
Speaker 1: all his goodbye sounds. Oh my gosh, I forgot the Sack,
Speaker 1: the sun dial, the big Sun dial Was he a
Speaker 1: big Aristotle at that time when we were changing nicknames
Speaker 1: like teams.
Speaker 2: That's what I remember Popovich.
Speaker 3: I intentionally foul him to start a game, like just
Speaker 3: to just to troll.
Speaker 1: Him, and then he does this, uh prewish prish pry
Speaker 1: Rush says that Jokic might be going to Golden State
Speaker 1: for those Warriors. Look, I am so sick and tired
Speaker 1: of hearing about the big free agent who's gonna come
Speaker 1: in and save the Golden State Warriors. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was Yannis, then for a minute there it was Lebron,
Speaker 1: and I guarantee you it will happen and the Warriors
Speaker 1: might even float it. Yeah we're interested. You know, we
Speaker 1: can't talk about it, no tampering, but yeah, we'd be interested.
Speaker 1: And then for whatever reason, it doesn't happen. That seems
Speaker 1: to have defined the Warriors lately, the promise of the
Speaker 1: big piece of help that never shows up to help.
Speaker 1: That's that's what the Warriors have done over the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. Oh, by the way, the Jonathan cominga
Speaker 1: situation that's going on right now. Everybody got the calculus
Speaker 1: on him wrong. Everybody that guy turned down a three
Speaker 1: year seventy five million dollar deal, and right now they're
Speaker 1: talking about he might go back to Atlanta for the minimum.
Speaker 3: Or you might go to the Lakers on a you know,
Speaker 3: a short deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's good. Let me tell you just a little
Speaker 1: friendly advice from you, from me to you. Anyone ever
Speaker 1: offers you seventy five million over three, you probably just say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's work.
Speaker 3: I wonder because he actually had a good couple of
Speaker 3: good games. I know, we have some more questions to
Speaker 3: get to. You had a couple of good games in
Speaker 3: that Knick series, like if they ever to beat the
Speaker 3: Knicks and then you know they get to the second round.
Speaker 3: Any flashes, I guess not. As I'm talking through it,
Speaker 3: there was no way that back.
Speaker 1: I do that too. You start a segment and you're
Speaker 1: trying to make a point, then you talk yourself out
Speaker 1: of the point you were trying to make in the
Speaker 1: middle of the second. That's good. That means you're not
Speaker 1: just you know, locked into one position, you're thinking things through.
Speaker 1: It's always a good sign for all hosts. Oh, here's
Speaker 1: a little something for you. Okay, here's a little something
Speaker 1: for you, which means we have an official repeat viewer
Speaker 1: from Tuesday to Thursday. That's good carryover. That's what we're
Speaker 1: looking for. How are the Ravens clearly better than the Chiefs?
Speaker 1: Is this? Did Nick Wright ask this himself? This is cute.
Speaker 2: Nix nix and our you tube comments.
Speaker 3: So I floated this out there when I was listing
Speaker 3: the teams that were clearly better than the Chiefs going
Speaker 3: into this season, and I think I said Denver, Buffalo,
Speaker 3: New England, and I threw in the Ravens. The Ravens
Speaker 3: had a better season. The Ravens also don't have their
Speaker 3: quarterback coming off of a season ending injury, and so
Speaker 3: I just think that the Ravens, you look at their roster,
Speaker 3: it's better that the Chiefs have a bunch of questions
Speaker 3: on their defense. Young players that they acquired, they drafted,
Speaker 3: and so maybe they will pop. But you've got a
Speaker 3: tight end who's what thirty seven years old, You've got
Speaker 3: a receiving core that you don't exactly love, and again,
Speaker 3: most importantly, your quarterback's not coming off of season ending surgery.
Speaker 3: And so right now, I think the Ravens are a
Speaker 3: better team than the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: I'm not arguing when you said it, I didn't argue
Speaker 1: with you, right, I think, yeah, now, think can change fast.
Speaker 1: Things change fast in football. We all know that, But
Speaker 1: I don't. How about I think they're kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, we love our tiers, our quarterback tiers right now.
Speaker 1: I think they're sort of on the same tier of competition.
Speaker 1: But I would list Baltimore before I listed Kansas City.
Speaker 1: But Kansas City can also win a Super Bowl if
Speaker 1: Patrick mahomes a superman again. We do know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there our schedules so easy too.
Speaker 1: It is Wedegeist with Wedgiest. I don't know what this
Speaker 1: name is. He does say we're cooking again.
Speaker 2: Oh I love that.
Speaker 1: Thank you very very much for coming on in and
Speaker 1: cooking with us in the kitchen here. And thanks so
Speaker 1: much to Nick right as well for just flipping us
Speaker 1: the keys to the Ferrari to drive it around the
Speaker 1: block a couple times over these next few weeks. And
Speaker 1: we really do appreciate it. We certainly appreciate everybody back
Speaker 1: in the studio working with pro producers again. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: just been it's been heaven, it really has. Thank you
Speaker 1: so very much, and Ty working with you, dude. It's easy.
Speaker 1: It's just hitting the ball back and forth. Man, our
Speaker 1: chemistry has doubled since Tuesday show. It's made sense because
Speaker 1: we've officially doubled our show total together. Imagine how much
Speaker 1: we're gonna be cooking. We're gonna getting Michelin stars this
Speaker 1: time next week and our fourth show together.
Speaker 2: Oh listen, listen.
Speaker 3: The goal is Nick comes back and it's like, Hey, Nick,
Speaker 3: you got some other stuff for you to do here
Speaker 3: at the volume.
Speaker 2: That's that's the.
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Speaker 4: Ty.
Speaker 1: This was an awful lot of fun. I'm giving you
Speaker 1: the last word. Thank you everyone.
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