1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah hart Hunger. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of two and soon to be three 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,159 Speaker 1: and a practicing physician. We are two working parents who 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: love our careers and our families. Welcome to Best of 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Both Worlds. Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Hi, this is Laura. This 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: is episode fourteen of Best of Both Worlds. Today we 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,639 Speaker 1: are going to be talking food, all things food and 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: meal planning. Well. Sarah was talking recently with us about 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: some good meals she's had out recently, some slightly subversive meals, right, Sarah, Yeah, 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: you can be subversive with your meals when you're pregnant. 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes everyone has about what you should be eating when 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: you're pregnant. Yes, and I will. I think I stuck 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: mostly to the guidelines for numbers one and two. But 18 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: we went on a movie date and I simply had 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: to have some sushi. So I did a little bit 20 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: of research, and I am not dispensing medical advice here 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: as I never will on this podcast, by the way, 22 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: but decided for myself that the evidence looked like it 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: was safe to just go for it. And it was awesome. Yeah, 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: sushi is awesome, especially if you haven't had it in 25 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: like seven months. Yeah, because I had been avoiding it 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: or just eating the cooked stuff, which really is not 27 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: all that satisfying. But you know, I'm pretty sure like 28 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: Japanese women eat sushi when they're pregnant. I can actually 29 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: vouch for that. I worked with a resident who was 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: Japanese and she did eat sushi, and she would just 31 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: ignore people's faces, like French women eat soft cheeses and 32 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: so forth. I think a lot of the pregnancy advice 33 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: is not based on a whole lot of solid research, 34 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: partly because people don't do research on pregnant women exactly, 35 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: which is reasonable. But then it really does kind of 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: slow progress a little bit. Yeah, it does. The day 37 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: we're recording this, I'm going out to eat tonight with 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: my husband. I'm very excited about that. We're having date 39 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: night Yay. But it's just going to be at this 40 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: like brewery, so probably be burgers and beer, which is fine. 41 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: I love burgers and beer on a Friday evening. That 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: is just perfection to me. But a couple of weeks 43 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: ago I had to be I was a little bit 44 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: more adventurous. I went out for Malaysian food with some fruits. 45 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: What was good there? What is I don't even tell 46 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: me about a Malaysian gink Asian? But it's like slightly 47 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: more I guess maybe Islands. But I'm going to totally 48 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: screw that up. I know nothing about We're going to 49 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: hear from listeners who are like, you have no idea 50 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: what you were talking about, which is probably true. So 51 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: in fact, because I had no idea what I was 52 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: talking about, I just asked the waitress to pick something 53 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: for me. And I would highly recommend that as a 54 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: strategy for ordering at a place where you know nothing 55 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: about the cuisine, because I mean, the server has seen, 56 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: no doubt people who are not that ethnicity attempt to 57 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: order food and botch it horribly, and she or he 58 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: will know what is good and what is crowd pleasing. 59 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: And so the woman just said, well, do you like beef? 60 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: And I'm like sure. She said, well, this is a 61 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: just mildly spicy beef, but a lot of people like it. 62 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: That sounds awesome, and it was telling me it was 63 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: good done, satisfice their way to go. I think that's awesome. 64 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: I would do that even in a cuisine I did 65 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: know if I just didn't feel like thinking about it 66 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: that much. It's like a it's like a fixed you know, 67 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: like the chef's table without actually having to pay the markup, 68 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: you know. And yes, if it wasn't so expensive, I'd 69 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: love to do that every time I went out. But 70 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: tends to be the higher in restaurants. But this is 71 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: a this is a food episode, our main segment. We 72 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: want to talk about meal planning and the idea of 73 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: getting dinner on the table and all the baggage that 74 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: comes with that and the thought processes and all that 75 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: and the tips and strategies because I know for a 76 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: lot of working parents the issue with dinner. Like, you 77 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: want to do well by your family, you want to 78 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: have healthy food, want to eat together as much as 79 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: you can if that works for you, guys in your schedule, 80 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: but like it's six o'clock, you're tired, everyone's hungry, you 81 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: just got home from daycare, after careen from work, the community, 82 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: Like you do not want to think about getting food 83 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: on the table at that point, which is when you 84 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: have to do it, and so I think this is 85 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: a real pain point for a lot of working parents. 86 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: Do you have memories of a family dinner growing up, Sarah, Yeah, 87 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: we had the fairly traditional family dinner most of the time. 88 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: My mother did actually go back to work when I 89 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: was in middle or high school, but when I was 90 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: younger than that, she stayed home. So it was the 91 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: she'd prepared dinner for a couple hour or two hours, 92 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'll have to ask her. It seemed 93 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: like a long time in the afternoon, and then my 94 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: dad would come home from work around six thirty or 95 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: seven or so, and we were usually starving by then 96 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: because that was like late as kids, and we did 97 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: sit down all together. But the funny thing is, what 98 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: I remember about those dinners is not even though my 99 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: mom actually deserves a lot of credit as an excellent cooke, 100 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: she was and still is, but I don't really remember 101 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: the food all that much, which I think is kind 102 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: of telling because there's so much emphasis placed on like 103 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: the perfect menu, and like people put a lot of 104 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,559 Speaker 1: pressure on themselves. But I remember sitting down, I remember 105 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: a few favorite dishes, but mostly just kind of the experience. 106 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: What about you. Yeah, I mean, this is gonna sound 107 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: so sad, and it is so unfair to my parents 108 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: because I know they did get dinner on the table 109 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: together a lot of nights that my mom and my dad, 110 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: you know, both cooked at various points, and I know 111 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: my dad was responsible for getting us dinner for a 112 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: while with My mom did tutoring growing up when I 113 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: was growing up, and so that the hours for that 114 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: are often like three to six o'clock or three to 115 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: seven o'clock at night because kids need tutors after school. 116 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: But what I honestly remember most, I mean best memories 117 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: I have are like of going to McDonald's and getting 118 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: the Monopoly game pieces and playing on the playground, Like god, 119 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: I love McDonald's. And then at one point we started 120 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: going to the mall food court. Like I don't know 121 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: how often we did it. We probably didn't do it 122 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: that often because my parents weren't that big on taking 123 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: us out to eat, because you know, who does want 124 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: to take kids out to eat? But you know, we'd 125 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: go to the mall food court and I get like 126 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: chicken kariaki at the Japanese stall at the mall food 127 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: court and I thought that was just so awesome. So 128 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: and it's so funny of all the meals your mom 129 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: probably you know that your parents got on the table. 130 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: It's the food court. Chicken karaiaki is what I like dinners, 131 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: growing up on this image of being at the mall 132 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: food court and having chicken terary on and yes, that 133 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: is so unfair, and I know it is so unfair. 134 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: And my mom in particular, I mean she cooked us 135 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: with a lot of like I went through a vegetarian 136 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: kicked for a while and she went ahead with it 137 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: and like cooked a lot of vegetarian dishes and I 138 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: was great and all that. But for some reason, I 139 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: don't know the chicken karaaki kebabs at the mall food court, 140 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: which I feel like, really that both of us like 141 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: the theme there is like get food on the table, 142 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: make it healthy. Do not put pressure on a million 143 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: details unless that's fun for you, because your kids are 144 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: probably gonna forget it anyway. Your kids are gonna have 145 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: no memory of like the vast majority of this. And 146 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: I feel like I've read some research on what children 147 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: take away most from their child is sort of their 148 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: feelings of whether it was a happy childhood or not, 149 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: like whether they felt safe and loved and all that 150 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: that you take away from childhood. A lot of other 151 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: stuff it's just lost in the wash or else. You 152 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: make different choices as adults, and that's kind of life. 153 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: But that may be the one thing that that kids 154 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: take with them, and so you want to sort of 155 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: focus on it being fun and family and enjoying each 156 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: other's company in whatever form that happens to take. But 157 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons we had we had 158 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: talked about doing this segment, we had both of us 159 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: had read a post on a blog that is The 160 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: Frugal Girl is the the blog. It's a great website, 161 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: by the way, she her theme is cheerfully living on 162 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: less and of the various like frugal bloggers out there, 163 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: she is so non judgmental, which if anyone has read 164 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: a lot of the frugal blogs out there, there are 165 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: many more judgmental frugal people out there, and she has 166 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 1: not that at all. But she's very into giving helpful hints. 167 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: And so one of her readers had written in like, well, 168 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: I work full time, you know, I commute, I come home. 169 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: I want to get dinner on the table. What do 170 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: I do, you know? And how do I not resort 171 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: to take out every single night, which is of course 172 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: the temptation because then it's made for you and you 173 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: can get it on the way home and all that. 174 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: And so they had a lot of really good the 175 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: readers had. It was like one hundred and fifty comments, right, 176 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: it was something ridiculous like that. Yeah, the comments were 177 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: I mean, the post was great, but the comments were amazing. Yeah, 178 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: And so I mean, there's there's a lot of good stuff, 179 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: but a lot of it was about things like having rotations, right, 180 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: and you do a rotation of sorts. We totally do 181 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: a rotation you want to hear, So pretty much every 182 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: Monday we have some combination of salmon, green beans, and 183 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: some kind of carb like sweet potatoes, because I don't 184 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: have to think, and that's like one day that's checked off. 185 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: And because fish, like the shopping happens on Monday, so 186 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: that's like just done, and that's so easy. And I mean, 187 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: to be fair, we've talked about on the outsourcing. I 188 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: actually do not cook these days, but if I did, 189 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: I could throw that together in a very short amount 190 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: of time, so I feel confident that would be a 191 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: universal choice. Then we do something on Tuesday to Wednesday, 192 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: so we are huge on leftovers, so our rotation loves leftovers. 193 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: That usually has like chicken, like that's our sort of 194 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: meat type thing. So I'll just pick something at a 195 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: cooking light or real simple or something I saw on 196 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: a blog. And then Thursday and Friday we've been doing 197 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: like something vegetarian, like my kids love these like black 198 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: bean burrito bowls. And then that's the entire week. And 199 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: then on Saturday, a lot of times we either go 200 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: out with the kids or we do take out with them, 201 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: so like with a family, or we get pizza something 202 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: like that. If we're going out and the kids are home, 203 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: they're often eating eggs because that's like the perfect feed 204 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: your kids date night meal. And then Sunday is actually 205 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: probably where it varies the most because sometimes we're doing 206 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: something social. Sometimes I cook something and maybe we'll get 207 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: the ingredients on Saturday, and then it's sort of like 208 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: doing that for fun, like it's not getting food on 209 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: the table. That's the one meal that I might make 210 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: something that I saw on a cool magazine to enjoy 211 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: it because I do I think it is funk because 212 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: I don't do it all week What do you look 213 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: through to get recipes? And where are you finding them? 214 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so I it's funny. I gravitate towards well. 215 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: First of all, for like the weekdays. I tend to 216 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: like blogs that aren't necessarily food blogs where they're like 217 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: a word like lag Live, who is a lawyer with 218 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: three kids in Texas, and I know many of my 219 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: readers read her. She's awesome. She'll often post a weekly 220 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: meal plan and it just kind of gives me ideas. 221 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: And then I like a blogger called Healthy Slice of Life, 222 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: so you could, you know, look for both of those 223 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: and they'll they'll show their whole meal rotation, so that 224 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: gives me ideas. But then I also love magazines like 225 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: Cooking LTE and Real Simple are my go tos. You 226 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: love Real Simple too, right? Yeah? At both of those 227 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: as well. Get Cooking Light And I had a banana 228 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: bread that I was making for a long time that 229 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: came out of the Cooking Light Real Simple. A couple, 230 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, it was a year or two ago. 231 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: They ran a section that was of their most pinned 232 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: recipes and that was a total gold mine, and I 233 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: should have looked up which issue it was so we 234 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: could tell people to go find the old one, like 235 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: on you know, eBay or Amazon or something, but they 236 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: probably have it online too, or you just go follow 237 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: them on Pinterest you can search. But they had their 238 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: most penned recipes, and there were a couple of those 239 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: that were like awesome. I mean, there's a shrimp taco one, 240 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: there was a chicken tiking masala one. They're just good stuff, 241 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: like I enjoyed eating them. But yeah, I love the 242 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: thing about your rotation because you only have to really 243 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: plan three meals, three things and of the same every time, 244 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: so I really only two things exactly simple. And the 245 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: thing with the leftovers is this is a good way 246 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: for people to plan it out too, Like just plan 247 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: to make more than you're actually going to eat, because 248 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: then you can have a second dinner made out of 249 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: it. It It doesn't have to be the exact same thing, 250 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: Like I mean, if you made hamburgers one night, you 251 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: can take the leftover hamburgers and turn them into taco 252 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: meat or turn them into you know, the meat that 253 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: would go in sauce for pasta or something. I mean 254 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: you know, very simple like that, but use the same 255 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: basic ingredient to have as leftovers. If so, if people 256 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: get a little bit weird about having the same thing 257 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: two nights in a row, which I wouldn't but some 258 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: people do, then that can be a way around that. 259 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: But you know, people are suggesting things on this blog like, 260 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, taco Tuesday, pizza Friday, sandwich night, breakfast for dinner, night, 261 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: pasta night. Right there, that's like five nights. That's all 262 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: you need, and that can go. Really, I mean, breakfast 263 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 1: for dinner, that's what you guys do when the kids 264 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: when you're going, oh kid friendly, so kid friendly. I mean, 265 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 1: who doesn't love like eggs and waffles exactly, And it 266 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: can put all the food groups in there like no 267 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: problem problem. I think one thing that both of us 268 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: sort of had a bit of a mixed feeling about, though, 269 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: is the idea of too much cooking ahead of time. 270 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: I know that some people are really into the idea 271 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: of freezer meals. Is that something you have ever tried. 272 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: I think the only time I ever put anything in 273 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: the freezer was when I was pregnant with Annabelle, and 274 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm gonna make a bunch of 275 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: stuff in the freezer, and maybe that was the right 276 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: time to do it because I had no kids at 277 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: the time. But no, I'm not super I'm not a 278 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: big freezer meal person. That said, I think that it 279 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: can be great if you're making something like in bulk, 280 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: like if you're making enchiladas on a Sunday, but you 281 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: just make three pans and two of them go in 282 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: the freezer, then I do think that could be kind 283 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: of time saving, but I've never gotten into it personally 284 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: that could save you time. I think what people, some 285 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: people who really get into the start doing is making 286 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: meals that they aren't actually eating at that point ahead 287 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: of time, like what you're describing for stocking up for 288 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: when the baby comes, only they do this for their 289 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: normal life. What I've seen with this on people's timelines 290 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: is that it saved It doesn't save you time. You're 291 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: gonna wind up maybe eating better during the week in 292 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: terms of more elaborate meals than you might have otherwise, 293 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: but it doesn't save you time, and in fact, it 294 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: costs you time because you have that weekend time that 295 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: is devoted to cooking that could have been leisure time 296 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: or could have been playing with kid time or could 297 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: have been whatever time. And then people who do this 298 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: also still then add stuff to it when they pull 299 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: those meals out of the freezer. So like say they 300 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: did make that pan of enchiladas that's in the freezer, 301 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: they pull it out and then they're like, oh, well, 302 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: let me make a side Mexican salad to go with it, 303 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: and I'll get some beans to go on the side. 304 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: It's like, so you're still in the kitchen cooking and 305 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: you're still making that it's still taking you that time 306 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: to heat it up, and you're making the side dishes 307 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: during that time. Now, obviously if you were just cooking 308 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: that night, you wouldn't have made that pan of enchiladas 309 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: because it took more than half an hour to make. 310 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: But you could have made a different dinner in thirty 311 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: minutes or less. I mean, you make a dinner in 312 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. So like that salmon you're talking about, a 313 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: piece of salmon cooks in like fifteen twenty minutes. Nothing. Yeah, 314 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I would say better to focus on if 315 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: you are going to cook a bulk and freeze it, 316 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: that's fine. Don't cook anything that you're not making an 317 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: eating right then and then well and also I think, 318 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: well you kind of said this, but like really heating 319 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: something up from frozen properly because I think it turns 320 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: out better in the oven than the microwave. Oh yeah, 321 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: it takes forever if you're coming home from work, unless 322 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: you have like an early day and you can throw 323 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: it in the oven for like two hours. Because if 324 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: it's a frozen block, you're kind of in trouble. No, 325 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: it definitely would have had night put it in the 326 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: fridge the night before. Oh got it. See this is 327 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: I don't This is what I don't do. Like, Okay, 328 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: so you're sawing it and you get home and you 329 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: set the heat it up. Okay, that's more reasonable. I 330 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: mean you have to preheat the oven, like you stick 331 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: it in. It's it's cooking, you know, for twenty thirty minutes. 332 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: Like you're not saving time. It's still taking you forty 333 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: five minutes after you get home, you it's dinner on 334 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: the table, and maybe if you're home earlier than everyone else, 335 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: that's fine. And yeah, you're eating better than you would 336 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: have because you got this plate of enchiladas that took 337 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: you an hour to make on Sunday. But you haven't 338 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: saved time, you haven't helped yourself in that uys, So 339 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: like better to have simple like the omelet for dinner, 340 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: or the piece of salmon with green beans or you 341 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: know what else is? What else is really quick? I'm 342 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: drawing a blanket, any kind of sandwich or wrap, any 343 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: kind of if you like, have the component. So I 344 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: think like pre doing the components, Like I have seen 345 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: people on a weekend while they're just hanging out, like 346 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: slow cook a bunch of rice or some beans. Then 347 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: you can just kind of like turn that into a 348 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: million different things pretty mindlessly. Salad with some beans and 349 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: rotissary chicken you bought at the grocery store, throwing some tomatoes, 350 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: add some chips, squawk from a container. Done. Yeah, supermarket 351 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: prepared foods are great that way. I mean, like you know, 352 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: buy a rotisserie chicken or something and then you have 353 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: that in your fridge for the week, and so that's 354 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: really easy. Or some you know, there's lots of veggies 355 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: that steam in the bag now in the microwave. That's 356 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: a mindless side. That's incredibly healthy. But I think the 357 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,239 Speaker 1: key thing what people have is they get this like 358 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: mental fatigue. It's not even so much like the idea 359 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: of cookies that you come home, you're tired from work, 360 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: you don't want to decide, and you don't want to 361 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 1: execute on it. That's why people wind up picking up 362 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: takeout or stopping it. Well, and for that we were 363 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: remember we were talking about those meal like not a 364 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: subscription box, which neither of us well, we can get 365 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: to that, but like a like a meal planning meal 366 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: prep service, because they're pretty inexpensive and usually some of 367 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: them require a little bit of prep on the weekends. 368 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: But it does take that kind of mental piece out 369 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: of here. Like I'm thinking about services like Fresh twenty 370 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: or prep Diish, neither richer episode sponsors, by the way, 371 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: but where you get a list and then the meals 372 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: and then you just don't have to think about it. 373 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: My problem is I always seem to be like, well, 374 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: but my kids don't like that, and I might not 375 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: feel like that that night. But it does kind of 376 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: take the mental piece out of things a little, and 377 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: some of them, really I think it's the planning I 378 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: had that is really helpful, Like in a time when 379 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: you do have energy to play on the week and 380 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: then you know, go grocery Monday morning, always I do. 381 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: I do well. Again, I only have to pick two things, 382 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: so sometimes I've already like seen them during the week 383 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: and I ripped them out, and I like have a 384 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: little area next to my magazines where I put like 385 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: recipes that I want to do, or I go to 386 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: like perennial favorites from some of my favorite cookbooks. And 387 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: then Monday morning is always when I put the list together, 388 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: and like I'm talking at like, you know, six in 389 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: the morning, because that's when I do a lot of 390 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: my Like I don't know, I have that the part 391 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: of my brain that does planning is really works well 392 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: at that time and not at other times. So I 393 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: do my meal planning then too, and make a grocery list. 394 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: And you know, as we've talked about, I don't do 395 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: my own shopping anymore. If we did not have the 396 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: situation we had, I probably might consider something and I 397 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: still didn't want to go to the store. I might 398 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: consider like a grocery delivery on a Sunday, or just 399 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: going early myself in a Sunday because grocery store is 400 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: early are super empty and yeah, much more satisfying to 401 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: go to battling the crowds at Wegman's on Saturdays just 402 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: school like eight am. It's amazing, It's like sterile. I 403 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: love it so at one point. Un Fortunately I'm not 404 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: doing a whole lot of my grocery shopping anymore either now. 405 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: But when I was, and I have my two year 406 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: old was waking up at like five am. We did, 407 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: in fact go to Wegmans sometimes at five thirty am. 408 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: Oh perfect, no, And you can get done really quick. 409 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: There's like nobody in your way, and you don't care 410 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 1: if your kid's really running around because there's no one 411 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: to run into. That's impressive time. And I literally had 412 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: a woman yell at me because she thought I was 413 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: standing between her and the milk she was trying to grab. 414 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: I was like, there's a great like YouTube video about 415 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: the Whole Foods parking lot that went viral a couple 416 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: of years ago, but I swear it's like real, it's 417 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: so funny. I got the aggression in the Whole Foods 418 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: parking lot by people. Would yes, exactly exactly, it's so funny. Yeah, 419 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: so I would. I would probably you know, do that 420 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: meal planning on weekends. You know, again full disclosure here. 421 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: I decided about a year and a half ago that 422 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: I really did not want to think about, you know, 423 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: feeding my kids and myself after work. My husband is 424 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: often gone traveling, so he was often not part of this, 425 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: and I really didn't feel like cooking, and so that 426 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: is one of the things that I outsourced now that 427 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: our nanny does a lot of the food prepp and 428 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: that's absolutely a great option if you have a childcare 429 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: provider that doesn't have stuff to do during the school day, 430 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: or if your kids are older and you know they're 431 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: not running around and trying to cook with a baby. 432 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: At the same time, I actually really enjoy I let it, 433 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: you know, even though I like to be efficient about it. 434 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: I like that control and I like doing that little 435 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: meal planning ritual. So I have no no plans to 436 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: outsource that, but as we talked about, we do outsource 437 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: the actual cooking and shopping for the food. So it's 438 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: kind of fun. It's kind of the experience of being 439 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: sort of like a nineteen fifties man. So I think 440 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: of as there's something there's dinner. That's not really how 441 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: it goes because the hours between four and six she 442 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: and I are trading off driving the kids around to 443 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,239 Speaker 1: various places. But it is kind of nice to if 444 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: I've gone to pick up a kid who's out summer, 445 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: I'm picking up two of the kids at their activities 446 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: and come home and then dinner's on the table. It's 447 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: like I don't have to also be putting dinner on 448 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: the table. In addition to the car fifties, Laura, I mean, 449 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: there are many many, probably many more men than women 450 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: right now that still enjoy that lifestyle. It just happens 451 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: to be their wife doing it. The fact that we've 452 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: taken jobs that have meant that we're not necessarily the 453 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: ones doing it. There really should not be any negativity 454 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: associated with No, I don't, and I really appreciate it. 455 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: I I'm always very thankful for the meals and make 456 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: a point of complimenting them. They're very good. But that's yeah, 457 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: when I think about, like, you know, if I were 458 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: cooking for people, and obviously she's being paid to do it, 459 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: so that's sort of whatever, but I was not, and 460 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: I was feeling like I wasn't getting a whole lot 461 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: of the happiness for my children about it, and I 462 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: kind of had enough. So that's one of the things 463 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: I managed to get off my plate in the last year, 464 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: and it's been great, freed up a lot of mental 465 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: ENERGYCE we'll throw that out there as a possible option 466 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: for people too. But yeah, neither you or I have 467 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: done those meal delivery kits or yeah I don't. It 468 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: looks very inefficient. Actually, it's like and they talk about 469 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, thirty to forty five minutes and like everything's 470 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: individually wrapped, and it's like all that packaging and then 471 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: it only makes one night of dinner. Maybe if there 472 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: was one that I don't know, turned into like two 473 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: dinners and one lunch, I might maybe be interested. But no, 474 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: I think if I was gonna, like when the baby's 475 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: born and my parents, well, my parents are actually gonna visit, 476 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: but during my nanny being on vacation, if my mom 477 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: didn't feel like cooking, I might think about doing like 478 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: a you know, we actually did this with Anabelts when 479 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: she was a baby. We found a restaurant that had 480 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: this really cool family dinners thing and it was not 481 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: that expensive where they just cooked all your dinners for 482 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: a week and you picked them up and you beat 483 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: them up, and it really was not that expensive. And 484 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: it was really good food and for like a special 485 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: kind of time when we didn't have the help and 486 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: things were crazy because I had a new baby. It 487 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: was perfect. So I'd be more likely to just do 488 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: that then do like a meal box. Yeah, I assume 489 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: the meal boxes is kind of like a fun couple 490 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: date night sort of things. So if you're you know, 491 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: newlyweds or like a couple that's living together and wanting 492 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: to play house, I guess together, you're like, oh, we 493 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: can cook this, and but yeah, one of the selling 494 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: points of some of these services is like there's less 495 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: food waste because it's just you know, the mout for 496 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: that dinner. Like, but we don't have food waste at 497 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: our house because we eat the leftover since it makes 498 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: lunch for me your dinner and then lunch ad nauseum, 499 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: and I always in my left un I don't. I 500 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: don't understand this concept of food waste. You know, maybe 501 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: maybe other peop people don't like to eat leftovers. That 502 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: all really don't. I mean, that must make it a 503 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: lot harder. I really I embrace monotony to some extent, 504 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: and I love, you know, the fact that nobody has 505 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: to cook, including the Nanny, including me on at least 506 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: two days a week, if not more. I think it's great, 507 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: and the food is still nutritious and good and tasted 508 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: just as good as to do the night before to 509 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: me anyway. Yeah, and it was just where we're gonna 510 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: talk real briefly about our favorite cookbooks, because I know 511 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: we mentioned the magazines we get recipes from. Do you 512 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: have any cookbook series? Yeah, I have two favorites actually 513 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: right now. One is called Run Fast, Eat Slow, and 514 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: it's actually it's co authored by a chef and then 515 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: also Slane Flanagan, who is a Olympic runner extraordinaire. And 516 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, at first I was like, oh, it's kind 517 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: of gimmicky like the Olympic, but actually this book is 518 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: filled with fantastic recipes. And I know multiple people who 519 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: also are super into this book. I mean, like we 520 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: eat the shrimp tacos with mango and avocado salsa, like 521 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: all the time, we make their chili, we make their muffins. 522 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: It's great. So I highly recommend that. And then Melissa 523 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: Clark is a food writer for New York Times, and 524 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: she had a cookbook called Dinner that came out maybe 525 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: about a year ago, and we've been making a bunch 526 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: of stuff from there that tends to be like something 527 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: I'll peruse that on a Sunday and then make Sunday 528 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: dinner kind of for fun every once in a while. 529 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, it's not happening that often these days, 530 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: but I think it will this Sunday. So that's good. 531 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, what about you. Well, I went through 532 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: this like joy of cooking phase. So when I was 533 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: first out on my own after college, I was living 534 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: in a house with four other girls, and we you know, 535 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: I would cook my dinners many nights, and I would 536 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: sometimes cook something big for myself on the weekend and 537 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 1: then have it for lunch all through the week. I'd 538 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: bring my lunch to my job because I was making 539 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: nothing and so I was not even gonna buy lunch 540 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 1: at work. That was like gonna be a hue waste 541 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: of money. But anyway, I cooked some of these recipes 542 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: and the joy of cooking, and I remember in particular 543 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: this wild rice and mushroom and chicken and spinach and 544 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: walnut casserole, and it was great, Like, yeah, it was awesome, 545 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: And I made a huge vat of it. And then 546 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: I could, you know, heat it up in the microwave 547 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: at lunch or yes, the one pot of lunch trick. 548 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: I did that, see a lot, the one pot lunch. 549 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: And so all I had to do was put it 550 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: in a little temperware and bring it with me to work, 551 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: and that was lunch for the entire week. And so 552 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: that I assume saved me some quantity of time and 553 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: cash in that sense. So I really got into it. 554 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: I stained that page and the joy of cooking. And 555 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: then unfortunately I haven't really done that much from the 556 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: joy of cooking since, because I guess I had more 557 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: time than or something. Now, when I am cooking, I 558 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: really like to look at what those time estimates are. 559 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: You know that all those magazines now have time estimates 560 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: on recipes, and sometimes they're accurate, sometimes they're accurate. But 561 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: what I have, funny, from a sort of sociological historical person, 562 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: I collect old magazines. I collect like old red books, 563 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: old good housekeepings, old Ladies home journals from the nineteen 564 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: fifties and stuff. They didn't have those time estimates then, yeah, 565 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: because everyone's time was limitless or better, you didn't need it. 566 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: If you didn't need to know you were going to 567 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: cook it or you're not going to cook it, But 568 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: the time was was non relevant to the whole situation. 569 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: Very interesting. Yeah, all right, well so that's that's meal planning. 570 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: Let's let's go to our love of the week. What's 571 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: what's yours this week? Yeah? I thought we better stay 572 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: in our foody theme. My love of the week is 573 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: an Espresso. So you know, they're those cute little coffee 574 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: pods and the sleek looking machines, and we actually have 575 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: a store near us so we can get the pods. 576 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes I order them online, sometimes we buy them, and 577 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: it's just such delicious coffee. I'm not a fan of 578 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: other pods, but then espresso is addictive and so easy. 579 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: And I was feeling kind of guilty about this love 580 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: because they, you know, are not necessarily the best for 581 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: the environment, and they're aluminum pods. But I do find 582 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: out in my research for this episode that they're recyclable, 583 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: so now I can feel less bad because we can 584 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: actually just drop it off at the store, which happens 585 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: to be right near us. But I think they also 586 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: have an option to ship as well. What about yours? 587 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: So I guess my food related love of the week 588 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: is putting heavy cream in my coffee in the morning. 589 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: You know, I always like putting milk in my coffee, 590 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: and then a couple of years ago, I realized it's 591 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: better with real cream, and so in the morning I 592 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: like to have just a dash of real cream and 593 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: the coffee so much better like it. Especially when I 594 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: was being woken up by five am every morning, I 595 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: gotta say, four forty five am is no time for 596 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: skim milk. That's when you really need to have the 597 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: real stuff. I drink my coffee black, so I don't know, 598 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: but it does sound kind of delicious. It is, And 599 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: I don't put sugar in my coffee. I don't put 600 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: sugar heavy cream, just heavy cream, and it's awesome. And 601 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: then our question of the week, so we were getting 602 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: some professional things, especially coming through my blog that a 603 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: lot of people are going through the whole end of 604 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: the year review process. Do you guys do this at 605 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: your We do, but it's actually done like at the 606 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: end of our fiscal years, so ours happens in like 607 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: May and June instead of the end of the year. 608 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: So interestingly, a lot of companies are doing this right now. 609 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: So people are gearing up for this, and this episode's 610 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: going to air in November, so we're getting even closer 611 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: to it when that's coming up. But people say, well, okay, 612 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: we know that what happens in the last month or 613 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: two before the review winds up being in people's heads 614 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: when they go into the review, which is totally unfair 615 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: because there was a whole year, but people remember the 616 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: last two months, So what should we do to have 617 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: a really awesome review? Like, what can we do in 618 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: that last month or so to make sure that this 619 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: is noticed, especially if somebody is like angling for a 620 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,479 Speaker 1: raise or a promotion. I'm so curious to hear your 621 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: answers because they're probably more widely appicle. But but but I 622 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: think what you just said is actually really important, which 623 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: is that before my review. So I went in a 624 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: little nervous this year because I had gone to part 625 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: time and I sort of wanted to make sure they 626 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: still knew I was all in and a valued employee. 627 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: I sort of wrote down a list of like, this 628 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: is what I did this year, bam bam, bam bam, 629 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: so that it wasn't going to be necessarily a focus 630 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: on what happened in the last few weeks or just 631 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: a gestalled idea, Oh, what Sarah did this year was 632 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: go to eighty percent time great, But instead I actually 633 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: wrote out and I do keep track by updating my CV, 634 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: so it's easy for me to kind of figure out, 635 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: you know, what presentations I gave or new groups I led, 636 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: or stuff like that. So I think that actually going 637 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: in with at least if that's at our institution, we 638 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: have this sort of self evail form, and I think 639 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: a lot of places have moved towards that, so reminding 640 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: them of what you did and why you're valuable. Yeah, 641 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: I keep notes on that through the year. I mean, 642 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: because this is the problem, Like if you haven't been 643 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: thinking about it either, well, you know, we're the best 644 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: judge of ourselves, and other people probably pay a lot 645 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: less attention to us than we think they do. And 646 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: so you know, something awesome you did in February is 647 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: just you know, not on people's radar screens when you're 648 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: thinking about this in November December. So make sure through 649 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: the year you are keeping notes on every awesome thing 650 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: you've done. And it might help to at this point 651 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: to jog your memory to like go pass through past 652 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: calendar entries, you know, look at any notes you've taken, 653 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: even stuff like expense reports that you have, but any 654 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: sort of data you have of the year, to go 655 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: through it and jog your memory of like, well, what 656 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: were my big wins, you know, and to make sure 657 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: that it's not it's sort of hard to you know, 658 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: praise ourselves in that way, but putting it in a 659 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 1: positive light, especially if you're trying to get other people 660 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: to recognize it. But I think also with this it 661 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: helps to be thinking about even the next year. I mean, 662 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: it is kind of late going into this year to 663 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: score a really big win in the next month, though, 664 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: if you can go for it, I mean, that's a 665 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: good reason to hunker down and make it happen. But 666 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: be thinking about, well, we're going to have this review 667 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: again next year. Most likely you'll have to go through 668 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: this again next year, or even if not at your 669 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: current employer, it's some other employer. And so what would 670 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: you like to be saying at next year's review, Like 671 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: what would make it seem like a really awesome review 672 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: if you were saying things this year, what would you 673 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: want to be saying? And and so next year, what 674 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: would you like to be saying, and then once you 675 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: have that list, you can start actually making it happen 676 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: in the next year and know what you're working toward. 677 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: And to some extent, reminding a reviewer of what you 678 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: have on the docket is also a reminder that you're valuable, 679 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: because it's like, oh, well, that won't happen unless we 680 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: have this very valuable employee with the initiative to do it. 681 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: But you still can probably do stuff in the next 682 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: few weeks. I mean if you just spend a few 683 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: minutes thinking about it. And I mean it's so easy 684 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: not to think ahead and not to plan and strategize 685 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: because we always get so busy. But if you just 686 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: spend thirty minutes and recognize that this is one of 687 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: the best investments of your time you can make, because 688 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: because this is where people's raises and promotions come out 689 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: of as decisions made in these meetings, whatever your performance 690 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: review rating or whatever is on this is what is 691 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: going to be the evidence then used in that decision. 692 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: And so spending like an hour or two thinking through 693 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: what would I like to say? Is there something I 694 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: can do to shore that up in the next couple 695 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,959 Speaker 1: of weeks? I mean, is there somebody I've worked with 696 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: who I could get, you know, testimonials from to bring 697 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: in as evidence. You know, people love things like that. 698 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: It's like book blurbs or something like that. Let's talk 699 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,719 Speaker 1: about how wonderful this person is as wonderful things you did, 700 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: but you know, bringing that in as evidence or anything 701 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: that you can turn into numbers. Numbers are also good. 702 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: So not just like oh, I, you know, worked really hard. 703 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: We'd be like, well, we you know, contacted all these 704 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: old clients and managed to bring three of them back 705 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: into our firm. I mean, that's the kind of numbers 706 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: people like to see silk in medicine, they already have 707 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: your numbers. They already have your numbers, stay to mind, 708 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: your productivity, your ratings and everything. So I don't know 709 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: that there's as much control that can be sort of 710 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: done at the end of the day there. So for us, 711 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: it's more just about like highlighting, like what success is 712 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: outside if necessarily those numbers that they might not they 713 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't think about or know about. But I agree 714 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: the preparation is really important because it's a very high 715 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 1: stakes kind of a kind of a thing. It's a 716 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: crucial conversation. Well, This has been episode fourteen, our Meal 717 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: Plan Extravaganza. We've been talking about getting food on the 718 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: table when you're tired after work all day and various 719 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: ways to make that easier and less painful for everyone involved. 720 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: So we'll be back next week with more of Best 721 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: of Both Worlds. Thanks for listening. You can find me 722 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the Underscore 723 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura at 724 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the Best of 725 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: Both World's podcast. Please join us next time for more 726 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: on making work and life work together.