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Speaker 1: This is a special edition of Patriots Unfiltered. I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by Paul Pirillo, Mike do so Soon, Evan Lazarre, and

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Speaker 1: we are high above the Patriots practice fields at Jillette Stadium.

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Speaker 1: We'll be here for the duration of practice, us to

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Speaker 1: And it was a great day one I thought, in

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Speaker 1: terms of just participation, energy, crowd, weather, I mean, everything

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't want to I don't know if

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Speaker 5: really cool to see that first day energy brought by

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the crowd looks pretty good. There's still trickling in.

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Speaker 5: I think. So we'll see maybe a little bit more competition.

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Speaker 5: And there were some quasi competitive periods, as competitive as

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Speaker 7: I doesn't sound drunk today, that's good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but fatday night, sounding sober. Yes, Any opening thoughts

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Speaker 7: I'm sure you guys already what kind of talked about it.

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Speaker 7: But I just think the main thing for me is

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Speaker 7: for this offense. I really feel that way, and you

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Speaker 6: Paul just silently. I just want a little I just

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Speaker 6: I think it's such a non factor that I didn't

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Speaker 5: Yeah we're already passed that here.

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Speaker 7: if it's not the cap and it's not cash, then

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Speaker 7: out the contract structure this morning, and it's essentially a

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Speaker 7: a bad deal, and we're two offseasons removed from them

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Speaker 7: So you really couldn't have you know, you can't give

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Speaker 7: It just that's the part that that frustrates me and

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Speaker 7: Dalvin Cook's not what I would have done. I would

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Speaker 7: have given the money to Hopkins, but he's definitely somebody

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: That I saw that report going to the Jets, and

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Speaker 6: And then I thought it was interesting when Bill was

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Speaker 6: agree with you, Freddy. I thought that was interesting the

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Speaker 6: And I wonder, I wonder if this Dalvin Cook thing

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Speaker 7: and he said, it's a player that can get open

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Speaker 7: We don't need to, you know, formationally get him open.

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Speaker 6: But I wanted to bring up Judaan to see if

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Speaker 5: I think he's like holding in.

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Speaker 6: No, I don't, I don't. I'm just I'm speaking, you know,

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Speaker 6: You always hesitate to make the training evaluation, you know,

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Speaker 5: Right, So I don't know, it's not what happens when

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Speaker 7: for that respect, but I don't really think Matthew Judon

438
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Speaker 7: needs to come out here and be going in the

439
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Speaker 7: tilt on day two of training camp.

440
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Speaker 6: Right, No, but but but no one's going full tilt

441
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Speaker 6: like he's not doing anything.

442
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Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I hear you.

443
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Speaker 1: But I think what is he missing by taking a

444
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Speaker 1: few days off.

445
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Speaker 6: I'm not suggesting he's missing anything, but he's the only

446
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Speaker 6: one that's that's in that situation. I think I could

447
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,880
Speaker 6: name a dozen guys that don't necessarily need every every

448
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Speaker 6: sharp rep right now, we prepare.

449
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Speaker 1: Yeah, next week could have a day off, But talking.

450
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Speaker 7: About a thirty year old guy though he played a

451
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Speaker 7: lot of football last couple of years.

452
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Speaker 5: Like hugely important to the wonder.

453
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Speaker 6: Okay, so so now that now that to me is

454
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Speaker 6: a little different the way I haven't just phrased him.

455
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Speaker 6: I think that's a good point. It's a guy who

456
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Speaker 6: really tailed off in the second half of both seies

457
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Speaker 6: as the you know, as a patriot. Maybe he's on

458
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Speaker 6: a different program that that would make sense, that would

459
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Speaker 6: be one reason why you might want to treat him differently. Yeah,

460
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Speaker 6: but he didn't do much on the scring either, which

461
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Speaker 6: is why it sort of had my intent.

462
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Speaker 1: Lawrence guy, what was his participation?

463
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Speaker 6: Right?

464
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Speaker 8: No?

465
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Speaker 6: No, no change ones.

466
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it's it's pretty much the defensive

467
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Speaker 5: front from last year. I mean, that's exactly what they're

468
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Speaker 5: they're running with, you know him.

469
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Speaker 1: So does that say that either he's kind of giving

470
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Speaker 1: up on his quest for for money or they did

471
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Speaker 1: something quiet, they did something.

472
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Speaker 5: I think they did some little to give him.

473
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Speaker 7: That's not that's not an inside information.

474
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Speaker 5: They signed him up for the Jelly of the Month

475
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Speaker 5: club and.

476
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Speaker 7: Nice, nice reference.

477
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Speaker 6: That's that's good.

478
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Speaker 5: But when somebody report that, should somebody report that at

479
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Speaker 5: some point though that.

480
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Speaker 7: Like two weeks.

481
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess field Yates will.

482
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Speaker 5: I was waiting for the for that tweet, you know,

483
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 5: for all the Patriots, you know, moved some money up

484
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Speaker 5: for this year to give him a little a little

485
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Speaker 5: something for the effort, you know.

486
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Speaker 6: For mac Jones, that's possible. I think that's certainly possible.

487
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Speaker 1: Mac Jones also spoke after practice yesterday and a lot

488
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Speaker 1: of the same things we heard in the spring, fresh start,

489
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Speaker 1: trust rust players, his teammates.

490
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Speaker 6: I thought he was I thought he was a little

491
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Speaker 6: better yesterday. I know Mike and I were talking about

492
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Speaker 6: my shows. Yeah, and my shows picked at some of

493
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Speaker 6: the things they put in like they always do. But

494
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Speaker 6: excuse me, I could not hold that sneeze back. I apologize,

495
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Speaker 6: And you do have.

496
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Speaker 5: A sniper got you there.

497
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Speaker 6: Well, we were a little too far forward, too far

498
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Speaker 6: gone the forehead. But I did think that they were

499
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Speaker 6: picking at some of the things he said, and I

500
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Speaker 6: thought a little bit unfairly. I thought he sort of

501
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Speaker 6: expressed some of the things now they were definitely it

502
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Speaker 6: was one or two things like you had one about

503
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Speaker 6: the He was asked about Belichick is helping.

504
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Speaker 5: Well, he mentioned, I mean and I'm not gonna lie.

505
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 5: I did clock it. When you know, Mack was asked

506
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Speaker 5: about about Bill because there was a moment yesterday and

507
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 5: we talked about it on the air when you know,

508
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 5: after an incomplete pass, Bill went over to him and

509
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 5: was talking to him for a second, and you know,

510
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Speaker 5: and when Mac was asked after practice, he instantly kind

511
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Speaker 5: of went, oh, Bill's great at you know, telling me

512
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Speaker 5: what the defense is trying to do.

513
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Speaker 7: You know.

514
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Speaker 5: So it's like, oh, that's interesting. But you know, the

515
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Speaker 5: thing to me was that I think we all agreed

516
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Speaker 5: when we saw the interaction. It seemed specifically like Bill

517
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 5: Belichick was showing him about ball placement, not so much

518
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Speaker 5: telling him, hey, you know, the defender is going to

519
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Speaker 5: drop into that zone and throw it there, that kind

520
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Speaker 5: of thing. So I don't know, it's always it's always

521
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Speaker 5: fun with Felgrims. And then I always you know, imagine

522
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Speaker 5: if Paul was on, because that was a moment that

523
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Speaker 5: we clearly saw together and and you know, I think

524
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Speaker 5: that's when you know, Paul has those good moments where

525
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 5: he kind of keeps those guys uh from going completely

526
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Speaker 5: off the rails with some of that stuff.

527
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think they were picking at like his phraseology.

528
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Speaker 1: If I think it goes Mac a little. Well, he

529
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Speaker 1: looks good, and he was he looks good.

530
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Speaker 6: He wasn't the only one that talked about I think

531
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Speaker 6: he was talking about you know, And I think that's

532
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Speaker 6: kind of a crutch of how he gets into a

533
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Speaker 6: lot of his answers. Well, you know, I think you know,

534
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Speaker 6: we're working hard. Yeah, it's not I think we're working hard.

535
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 6: It's you know, you know, I think we're working hard,

536
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Speaker 6: and I think we have the tools to be you know, like,

537
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Speaker 6: I think it's more of a definitive than the way

538
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Speaker 6: they would try to make some of the things out.

539
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Speaker 6: I don't think we have a good relationship. No, I

540
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Speaker 6: think we have a good relationship.

541
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Speaker 5: I'm forgetting what the word is, and I know I'm

542
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Speaker 5: bad at with it sometimes. But you have like those

543
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Speaker 5: crutch things that you kind of say when you're responding

544
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Speaker 5: to questions, and he always does the uh yeah.

545
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Speaker 1: I think.

546
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's just how he talks. I know

547
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Speaker 5: I have something I try not to do him on

548
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Speaker 5: the radio after so many people email me about my

549
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 5: likes and you knows, but you know, what are you

550
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Speaker 5: gonna do?

551
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Speaker 6: Yeah? But I thought Mac and you know, I thought

552
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Speaker 6: he sounded, you know, pretty comfortable. Yesterday. I thought he

553
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Speaker 6: when he was talking, I thought, you know, sometimes we

554
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Speaker 6: sort of tease him for being, you know, a little goofy. Yeah,

555
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Speaker 6: I thought he sort of was recognizing when he was

556
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Speaker 6: a little goofy. Yesterday he was chuckling at himself and

557
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Speaker 6: having fun with it. So yeah, I mean, I thought

558
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Speaker 6: he looks comfortable. I had no issues at all with

559
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Speaker 6: his press briefing yesterday. I thought it was a good,

560
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Speaker 6: solid start. And I think that the words that he

561
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Speaker 6: continues to use, I think are accurate. I think they

562
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Speaker 6: do have to sort of start fresh and develop a

563
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Speaker 6: level of trust with one another.

564
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the big thing for that he always

565
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Speaker 7: one of the cliches he always says is that he's

566
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Speaker 7: going to run his race and hopefully everybody will run

567
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Speaker 7: behind him. And that's something that I think is really

568
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Speaker 7: important for this team right now, is that the quarterback

569
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Speaker 7: has to be the leader of the team. It can't

570
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Speaker 7: when he's a rookie in his first year in twenty

571
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Speaker 7: twenty one. Obviously, the veteran guys are going to be

572
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Speaker 7: the leaders of the team that aren't the quarterback, Devin

573
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Speaker 7: and Andrews and all those guys. Those guys are going

574
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Speaker 7: to but now it's year three, we're talking about a

575
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Speaker 7: team that doesn't have as many of those vet you know,

576
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Speaker 7: Devin mccordy's anymore. This team is going to go as

577
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Speaker 7: far as mac Jones takes them. And I think that

578
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Speaker 7: it's more than just him playing well, so needs to

579
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Speaker 7: walk it as well and act that way. And I

580
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Speaker 7: think the big thing that he mentioned was that all

581
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Speaker 7: of his teammates, the other ten guys on the field,

582
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Speaker 7: have to believe in him that he's going to make

583
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Speaker 7: the plays, that he's going to make the right throws

584
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 7: and the reads and all that kind of stuff. So

585
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Speaker 7: I like that he thinks that way. I like that

586
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Speaker 7: he that's that's how a franchise quarterback should think. Now

587
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 7: he just has to go out there and actually do it.

588
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 7: It's one thing to say it, and you got to

589
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Speaker 7: actually do it.

590
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Speaker 5: And it's and it's you know, kind of superficial stuff.

591
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Speaker 5: But he's still given everything he has in the sprints

592
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Speaker 5: at the end of practice, he's all, you know, is

593
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Speaker 5: right at the front of the line today when they

594
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Speaker 5: went to this drill that you know, we're watching now

595
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Speaker 5: right to the front of the line. So you know,

596
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Speaker 5: there's been growing pains with Max, certainly over the first

597
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Speaker 5: couple of years. But I just I find it hard

598
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Speaker 5: to ask him to do more than you know, what

599
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Speaker 5: he's done as far as hard work, as far as

600
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Speaker 5: jumping into line, is bringing energy every day he puts

601
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Speaker 5: the work, those things that you can't really criticize him for.

602
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Speaker 5: And you know, now it's it's it's kind of what

603
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Speaker 5: I said two years ago. It's maybe in the middle

604
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Speaker 5: of his rookie year. It's here's a kid who does

605
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 5: everything the right way as far as preparation. He seems engaged. Uh,

606
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 5: it's but can he can he do it? Can he

607
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 5: do it? Can he get to that level? And and

608
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 5: he's he's facing a league and a division right now.

609
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 5: That is as hard as it has ever been in

610
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Speaker 5: my memory. You know, back to the days of Dan

611
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Speaker 5: Marino and Jim Kelly being in the division against the Patriots,

612
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 5: and you know, you're trying to find your guy to compete,

613
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Speaker 5: which we finally got with you know, Paul's guy, Drew

614
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 5: Bledsoe at the end of their tenures with with Marino

615
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 5: and and and Marino down there and and Kelly and Buffalo.

616
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Speaker 5: So he will see the walk. He's up against it,

617
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Speaker 5: but he's doing everything right.

618
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Speaker 7: We'll see what happened. Yeah, you know, he walks the

619
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Speaker 7: walk on and off the field. And I think that's

620
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Speaker 7: why separate. You know, look, you have to be objective

621
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Speaker 7: in what in what you see. But that's why I

622
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 7: kind of pull for him because I think he really

623
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Speaker 7: does do all the little things that you want your

624
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 7: quarterback to do. We can here you know, on the

625
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 7: practice field, but also away from the facility or at

626
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 7: the facility in the I mean he was here all

627
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Speaker 7: off season, all off seat in working and working out

628
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 7: and throwing in the in the in the bubble and

629
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 7: like all that kind of stuff. So you just that

630
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 7: makes you want while I'm to succeed, it does, so.

631
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 5: I can I just bring up the I mean these drills.

632
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 5: It's always interesting to me. You know, they didn't do

633
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 5: these drills last year, Like you know, where do they

634
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 5: find these drills?

635
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: Like which one are you talking?

636
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 5: Just like specifically the one they started with where it's

637
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 5: you have the little fluorescent yellow cones right, you know,

638
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 5: every couple of yards and they were just you know,

639
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 5: kind of doing sprints over them. It's I mean, I

640
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 5: know that exercise science is such an evolving field, and

641
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 5: you know, the things that guys are doing today, you know,

642
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 5: in no way represent what was going on maybe even

643
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 5: ten years ago. But yeah, it's just interesting how you know,

644
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 5: like a lot of running. It feels like to me

645
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 5: early in camp, and I mean, is it Bill said

646
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 5: this morning? It's a continuation of OTAs, But it's always interesting,

647
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 5: like oh, we're gonna do little practice tweaks and then

648
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 5: you know this is something that they resurrect.

649
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 6: I'm just curious and this little slalom kind of course

650
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 6: that they have set up here too, like and I'm

651
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 6: just wondering why. And they have like these little poles

652
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 6: that that would be like almost like the slalom gates

653
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 6: and skiing. They start and they zigzag down the field

654
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 6: you know, for another you know, fifty yards, and I'm

655
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 6: just wondering why they can't cones down. I wonder if

656
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Speaker 6: this no I'm being like you're talking about like they

657
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 6: want they want back. There must be a reason why

658
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 6: they want something a little higher off.

659
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: The ground, that's right. They want to keep their feet

660
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: up up a.

661
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 5: Little maybe trying to bend the corner a little bit,

662
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 5: yeah around right.

663
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, maybe for like a receiver corner

664
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 7: guy on special teams, but how often are you running

665
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 7: in a straight line on a football field.

666
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 6: Oh no, I'm not asking why the zig zagging. I'm

667
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 6: asking why they couldn't just put cones down on the ground.

668
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 6: They obviously want something a little higher that they're bending around.

669
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 5: Well, I think you see some of the guys kind

670
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 5: of dipping their shoulder.

671
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 6: Maybe it's to keep their feet under them so they

672
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 6: don't lose their footing, you know, like in the Super

673
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 6: Bowl everybody was falling. Yeah, no, I'm being serious.

674
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 5: It's interesting it won man.

675
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 7: You know, we've always talked about the Hills, right, and

676
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 7: the Hills being the vaunted Hills, being this conditioning thing

677
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 7: the Patriots do. But they've been doing this and I

678
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 7: don't think we've seen them go down to the hills

679
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 7: yet in the spring or yesterday.

680
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 6: They haven't done They haven't done a ton of hill.

681
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 6: They certainly didn't do it yesterday.

682
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 7: So I do wonder if maybe this is a new

683
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 7: Moses Cabrera and his staff saying that this is a

684
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 7: little bit of a of a different approach than than

685
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 7: the traditional hill running that they usually do.

686
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 5: Is that a Ronnie Perkins lap there, Paul, I'm not sure,

687
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 5: but it seems like he might have. Yeah, might have

688
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 5: taken a lap, perhaps, assuming that is him, I think

689
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 5: that's it.

690
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 6: But I think he's running to a different group.

691
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's running back to where the defensive linemen are

692
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 7: working on.

693
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Yates of Hell.

694
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 5: That Ronnie Perkins. I love that.

695
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 6: Yates of Hell's not bad.

696
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 9: I'm not bad.

697
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 5: I think that's a plus. I think it's a plus.

698
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 6: I like it.

699
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 5: I just think it's so hard to tell Ronnie Perkins

700
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 5: and key on white apart.

701
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 6: And I'm telling you Ronnie Perkins generally has something white

702
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 6: underneath this. He's always going to practice Jersey.

703
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: Did you guys mention the owners out here?

704
00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 6: I don't think we did, but he is.

705
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

706
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 6: I wrote it down in my notebook out you.

707
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 5: Know, I thought was a little interesting tidbit about from

708
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 5: Bill this morning and not as red hoodie, Paul, And

709
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 5: you think I'm gonna know.

710
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 6: You were very upset.

711
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 7: There was a lot of conversation.

712
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 6: I just give it before you give your before you

713
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 6: give your synopsis of it. I just want to let

714
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 6: everybody know that Mike had had had literally about thirty

715
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 6: seconds prior to Bill coming out, explain to me how

716
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 6: he's sort of cutting back a little bit on the tweeting,

717
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 6: you know, just feels like it's been a little bit.

718
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 6: There's one thing he's something that's really important. And then

719
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, Bill comes out wearing a red

720
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 6: hoodie and man that I'm back on a tweet. Baby,

721
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 6: come out faster than.

722
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 5: I had a base update, must must. I don't track

723
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 5: the practices, but for you like twitching that he was well,

724
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 5: I mean, in fairness, even he's three and three all

725
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 5: time in red hoodies. But ohen one with the sleeve cut.

726
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 5: I think we all know. I don't know if you

727
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 5: were born yet, but but they lost that one. But no,

728
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 5: what I was gonna say was about Hunter Henry, and

729
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 5: I just I thought, uh, I thought Bill had, like

730
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 5: you know, really leagues. As far as Bill goes glowing praise,

731
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 5: I guess just for his offseason here every day, you know,

732
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 5: improving two touchdowns yesterday in the red zone. I just

733
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 5: think as much as we you know, are curious and

734
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 5: excited about Kasiki, I think you might really just see

735
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 5: a resurrection of the red zone offense, largely on Hunter

736
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 5: Henry and what he's able to do down there. You know, again,

737
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 5: a guy that he's been pretty healthy since he's been here.

738
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 5: I mean, he's he had the injury concerns a lot

739
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 5: early in his career, but he's you know, he's been

740
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 5: pretty reliable. So I think he's a he's a key guy. Yeah,

741
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 5: for the offense.

742
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 7: I mean, well, Bill Bryan is a wizard with the

743
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 7: tight ends. I mean everywhere wizards everywhere he goes, the

744
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 7: tight ends produced. I mean at Alabama he had Cameron

745
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 7: Lattu we both really liked in the draft, and Cameron

746
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 7: Lato is not the world's greatest athlete, Like we're not

747
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 7: talking about Kyle Pitts here, and he's still put up

748
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 7: receiving numbers under Bill O'Brien. So I think the big

749
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 7: thing though with the twelve personnel is that it's great

750
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 7: in theory from a passing game standpoint, but can they

751
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 7: run the ball out of that actively and can those

752
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 7: either one of those tight ends give them something as

753
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 7: an inline blocker to be able to make that a

754
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 7: truly efficient personnel grouping, Because I think what happened over

755
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 7: the last couple of years with Henry and John who

756
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 7: is that they weren't good on the field together, so

757
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 7: they kept on trying to do it, but because the

758
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 7: numbers weren't really good and the production wasn't really good,

759
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 7: they had to go away from it. So in order

760
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 7: for it to be a big part of it, it's

761
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 7: got to work. And I just that's the one hesitation

762
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 7: I have with it still is are they going to

763
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 7: be able to block it up in the running game

764
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 7: so that you can't get the tight ends running behind

765
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 7: the linebackers on play action and really start to spin

766
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 7: the dial on the defense and really start to use

767
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 7: those guys. But off the field too, big, really good

768
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 7: relationship between Mac Jones and Hunter Henry they were at

769
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 7: Taylor Swift together. Yeah, they they're they're close on and

770
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 7: off the field.

771
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. One one of the things that is tried and

772
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: true of any practice is the sled that's never gone away.

773
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 6: Yeah.

774
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 5: I like watching Bill O'Brien keeping a close eye on it.

775
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 5: Kind of interesting.

776
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: It may look a little different, but you've always had

777
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: the sled as long as I know.

778
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 7: So is this sled pointed in a So this is

779
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 7: a straight on sled if I'm it looks like right

780
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 7: to me.

781
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

782
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 7: So if they're teams that run zone systems, their sleds

783
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 7: are like tilted, the pad is like tilted a little

784
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 7: bit because they're stepping out and then hitting right. So

785
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 7: they they have different sleds adjustable.

786
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's a good point.

787
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 5: So Evan, you said yesterday you didn't see a lot

788
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 5: of gap power, see more zone runs, RPOs, that kind

789
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 5: of stuff. Seems like what they're they're would you say

790
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 5: they're dabbling in the Bill O'Brien Alabama, Yeah, I.

791
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 7: Would say that Alabama. Alabama doesn't use a full back

792
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 7: or traditional full back. They did have a player that

793
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 7: was kind of like an h back type of player,

794
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 7: but they're they're mostly you know, look, they have the

795
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 7: mobile quarterbacks other than when they had Max, So that's

796
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 7: an element of why they were so zone heavy as well.

797
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 7: But they they run a lot of inside zone or

798
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 7: mid zone, so we're not talking about outside zone where

799
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 7: we're trying to get to the corner that they're still

800
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 7: going uphill or downhill I should say, in the middle

801
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 7: of the field, like they're not trying to get to

802
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 7: the edge. So it's similar to like a duo scheme,

803
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 7: which is a gap scheme, So it's not like it's

804
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 7: totally foreign or totally different than like a downhill power

805
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 7: rushing team. But typically speaking, the stuff that you see

806
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 7: like RPO is paired with is not always like you

807
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 7: can definitely pull a guard and run our PO that way.

808
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 7: But for the most part, you see RPO paired with zone,

809
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 7: with an inside zone in particular. So it's gonna be

810
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 7: interesting to see if that's that's where they're going with it.

811
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 7: But I don't think we've seen enough run game because

812
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 7: the pads haven't come on to truly be like, all right,

813
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 7: this is what they're gonna do. From a run game perspective.

814
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 7: They've kind of hit it honestly. Last year, remember out

815
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 7: in OTAs they were running outside zone like every other drill,

816
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 7: and it seems like they were doing something outside zone related.

817
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 7: They've played this one a little bit close to the

818
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 7: vest how exactly they're gonna they're gonna team it up

819
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 7: in the run game. So it's something to keep an

820
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 7: eye on.

821
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 6: Can I ask you guys yesterday, Sometimes I you know,

822
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 6: don't really notice all the details were a lot of

823
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 6: players wearing the protective caps that they have on today.

824
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 6: I think I know the linebackers, the receivers, the running backs,

825
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 6: there's certain both that I have to But did they

826
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 6: have They all had them on.

827
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 7: Yesterday, I think, so, Okay, there's certain trips now that

828
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 7: I believe it's the require.

829
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: The secondary is not wearing it. Line offensive offensive linemen are, yeah.

830
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 6: Have them on.

831
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: It's a mix.

832
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 6: And then the running backs have them on. Looks like

833
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 6: most of the I mean the tight ends have them on.

834
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 6: Linebackers I didn't. I don't know. I just I missed

835
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 6: it yesterday. I didn't notice them wearing them yesterday. We're

836
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 6: already used to them, I guess. Yeah, that's probably why.

837
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 7: Watching the US women's national team game last night. Oh yeah,

838
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 7: and they put a swim cap on a girl that

839
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 7: was in concussion protocol.

840
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 9: Really, I'd never see that that was a new one.

841
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 7: He's trying to like hold her brain.

842
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 6: In like district constricts.

843
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: The swelling.

844
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, well they, I mean that's probably more advanced. They

845
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 6: have more experience with concussions than any other sports.

846
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 9: So that was it was.

847
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 7: It was the Dutch team, not the US team. The

848
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 7: Dutch trainers put a swim cap on the ground.

849
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 5: How was that game?

850
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 7: Not great? From a US perspective? Second half was much Well,

851
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 7: isn't that not to be?

852
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not by any means, I don't know,

853
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 6: but isn't that one of the very few teams.

854
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 7: Netherlands So they played another team in the final of

855
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 7: the last World Cup.

856
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 6: And I don't want to come off as like the

857
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 6: Arigan American, but isn't there like three teams that.

858
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, the US not to get it to the whole

859
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 7: US women's national team thing, but they're in a little

860
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 7: bit of a transition right now. You know, some of

861
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 7: the Carly Lloyd's, Megan Rappinos, even Alex Morgan starting to

862
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 7: get up there a little bit in age, like those

863
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 7: the stars that that really led the last decade of

864
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 7: US women's national team soft they're they're turned to age out.

865
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: If we're going to talk about other sports, shout out

866
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: to my Red Sox taking two from the best team in.

867
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 6: The spanning really fun game to watch that. I don't

868
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 6: know if you caught.

869
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: Any that picture was mad they took him out?

870
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well yeah he was right. But those those

871
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 6: two guys and how many strives did six six six. Yeah,

872
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 6: they both really pitched well and it was fun to watch.

873
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 6: I tend I tend to watch the Bayol games because

874
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 6: the only guy.

875
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 5: I mean, Paul, do you notice the change in the

876
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 5: with the pitch clock? Is that made it an impact.

877
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 6: In your experience? Fired away more fun to watch.

878
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if they've always done this,

879
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 5: but they cut the commercials like.

880
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 6: You've done that for like the last five ten years

881
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 6: they got it's maddening.

882
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 7: That shows I'm blue maybe maybe actually a little bit

883
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 7: better at this than we.

884
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll reserve judgment until I see them put a

885
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 6: reasonable facsimile of a contender on the field. But well,

886
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 6: just some of the young almost all of the young

887
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 6: guys weren't his, So that's.

888
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 5: The Yeah, that's.

889
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 7: A that's true. I guess I don't know. I mean

890
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 7: some of those guys, they they've developed though.

891
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 6: Like I would say, like, you give me more yushetas

892
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 6: and I'll say, hey, maybe this heim Bloom guy knows

893
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 6: a little bit more than what we're given credit for.

894
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 7: See what it hit the big thing for hem Bloom

895
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 7: and now we're really going off the rails.

896
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 6: Well, what kind of waiting for practice to start. Let's

897
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 6: be honest. Yeah, they want to give everybody a false side.

898
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 7: The guy that's going to get him fired or extended

899
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 7: as Marcella Meyer. If Meyer is as good as he

900
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 7: thinks he's going to be, then he'll then he'll be

901
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 7: in the job for the next ten years.

902
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 5: Positions he puts short.

903
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 7: And they're just vibing time with Yu Chang and Keike

904
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 7: Hernandez like just to wait until he's ready to play.

905
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 5: So they finally got rid of they traded. Yeah, back

906
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 5: to the Doyers. Yeah, yeah, what do you call the Doyers.

907
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 5: Doyers know a thing. Yeah, you have to be special.

908
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 5: I dabbled in some Dodger fandom briefly, but it didn't stick.

909
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 6: I've been to a Dodger game. Dodger said he used

910
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 6: to go.

911
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 7: To like when the Red Sox would go out there.

912
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 7: I could every game of the series. And that stadium

913
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 7: is fun. It's a fun stadium.

914
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 5: It's old, it's a giant.

915
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 6: It's old, but it is not. It is kind of

916
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 6: a fun place.

917
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 7: Red Sox take over that place. So I'll tell you

918
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 7: Red Sox fans, when those socks are out there, it's

919
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 7: like fifty fifth.

920
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 5: Red Sox Nation West Baby. Yeah, Sonny McLain's and Santa Mongo.

921
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 5: They put a whole group up there. Angels games too.

922
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: Same thing with the Patriots. Sonny mcclains gets packed for

923
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: when the Patriots are in town.

924
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 5: I used to Oh, yeah, that's the that's the Patriots

925
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 5: far Monica.

926
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 7: I didn't get to go because I was working, but

927
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 7: I h it was fun.

928
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 5: I tell you, they would always have they would have

929
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 5: free raffles there. You know, they're always making half time

930
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 5: they would do, you know, And I still have a

931
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 5: Patriots mug. I don't even know where they got the

932
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 5: stuff from.

933
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 9: But I went, like I think.

934
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 7: It was a preseason game where I had the night

935
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 7: off and it was like I was able to go

936
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 7: and watch the game.

937
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see what the Patriots turnout is

938
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: for the joint practices in Nashville and Green Bay.

939
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 7: Yeah. Gott in a couple of dms from people asking

940
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 7: like if those are going to be open to the public,

941
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 7: and like they live in the area and they want

942
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 7: to go, so I think there will be something.

943
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was who was was was it Melvin?

944
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 9: Yeah?

945
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean Nashville obviously is a great destination.

946
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: So if you want to make you know, a few

947
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 1: days out of it, that would be a great good

948
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: take for Patriots fans. And you know Green Bay, you know,

949
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: with the history there. Uh, you know, that could be

950
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: a good take too. They've got their own little museum

951
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: and and so, uh, you know, wouldn't be a bad

952
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: little trip for Patriots fans. And obviously if you already

953
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: live in the area, you know, show up.

954
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, what do you guys make of to

955
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 7: Mario Douglas two days in a row.

956
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 6: I actually was just that's what I just grabbed, bring

957
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 6: it back to thank you. But the funny thing I

958
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 6: find about this doesn't and it's just watched he watches,

959
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 6: you know. It's it's Kendrick one with the two tight

960
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 6: ends right now in in Montgomery and the backfield. You

961
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 6: got Juju watching. You got Pierre Strong and and DeVante Parker.

962
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 6: Those guys mix in occasionally, but Doug usually just kind

963
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 6: of stands, Yeah.

964
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 7: I want to see Douglas when the pads come on

965
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 7: and see if he's tiny, so is he going to

966
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 7: be able to physically hold up? But I know it

967
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 7: was at Liberty. I know you have to take that

968
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 7: with the grain of salt, but that college tape is phenomenal,

969
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 7: Like he is a really explosive player, really good route runner,

970
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 7: one of those guys that we always talk about it

971
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 7: creates separation, right and he's a true separator down the field.

972
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 7: So if it can translate for him at this level,

973
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 7: then I'm not gonna say he's going to be this

974
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 7: great player, but I think he's going to be an

975
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 7: NFL player if you can finish through the contact.

976
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 5: Evan, you haven't been torturing yourself watching a Flowers highlights

977
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 5: on the Ravens.

978
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 7: But to be fair, Tomorow Douglas's day three is eight.

979
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 7: I know, it's like that that's the guy, right that

980
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 7: And when they were at the Shine Bowl together, you know,

981
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 7: Zay Flowers was really complimentary to Mario Douglas and said

982
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 7: some really nice things about how they have similar games

983
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 7: and run similarly and are similarly as good down the field.

984
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 7: But I no, I refuse to watch, especially because he's

985
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 7: you know, Lamar and z Flowers like my fever dream.

986
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 5: And it sounds like Odell's having a pretty good camp

987
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 5: too good for the Braven's all right, But yeah, it

988
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 5: is interesting.

989
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean does it seem like this portion of practice

990
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: is extended from yesterday, Like they got into seven on

991
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: Seven's a little quicker yesterday.

992
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 6: I didn't think sure, No, No, I thought this is

993
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 6: very similar to yesterday, only they're doing some different things,

994
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 6: you know, like as an example, in front of us

995
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 6: the prep work and special teams. Today appears like it's

996
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 6: going to be kick return. Yeah, Like they have some

997
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 6: some different blocking schemes that they're going over. So that's

998
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 6: all in preparation of what they're going to be doing.

999
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 6: But this is the kind of stuff they did yesterday

1000
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 6: before they went to seven on seven's. Okay, how about

1001
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 6: Devonte Parker anyone? You guys, it doesn't really seem to

1002
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 6: be involved a whole lot in a lot of the

1003
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 6: things they're doing. Right.

1004
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 5: It's a big switch from last year where it felt

1005
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 5: like the first couple this was the Devonte Parker contested

1006
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 5: touchdown catch show. But I mean, I do think that

1007
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 5: there's kind of an element emerging to me that Mac

1008
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 5: is very uh enamored with the two tight ends, and

1009
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 5: I think trying to get Hunter, Henry and Kasiki Uh

1010
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 5: involved a lot. Maybe that's just a red zone thing,

1011
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 5: but I mean like you know, like I just said,

1012
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 5: though Parker's contested catch ability has been uh has been something.

1013
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean this is that that grouping there was interesting.

1014
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 7: You know, he had Juju and Born inside Parker on

1015
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 7: the outside. Like that's probably what they envision it being

1016
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 7: in week one if all the things are equal. I

1017
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 7: just I still think Parker in terms of one on

1018
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 7: one on the outside and his ability to make catches

1019
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 7: along the sideline, make those contested jump ball catches, he's

1020
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 7: still the best player on the team for that. Like,

1021
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 7: he's still the best X receiver that they have. And

1022
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 7: I until they upgrade that spot with an external addition,

1023
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 7: he's going to be the guy. Then he's gonna play

1024
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 7: a lot. Like we talked about this last year, just

1025
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 7: how much he actually played when he was healthy, just

1026
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 7: snapped wise, he's like an eighty five percent snap guy

1027
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 7: something like that. And I don't see that. I think

1028
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 7: that's gonna change.

1029
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 6: That wasn't good run sick. He caught one of those

1030
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 6: you know, it's funny. It was similar to the pass

1031
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,959
Speaker 6: that got picked off yctually. This one was higher. Yeah,

1032
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 6: sort of caused him to leave his feet, get his

1033
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 6: feet down and he ran.

1034
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 5: Into the goalpost. Uh, he's okay, And.

1035
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 6: That kind of threw his arms up like, oh, you're

1036
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 6: good guy.

1037
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't need that. She used the door a guy,

1038
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: big optim padding around that. So we're good.

1039
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 6: Nice, good job, Freddy.

1040
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 5: Douglas Demoro Davison him, huh, that's.

1041
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 7: Where he's going to play that inside slot position. Guy.

1042
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: So just want to remind everybody that at some point

1043
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to turn off our cameras due to

1044
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: rules in about three minutes or so, but we will

1045
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: continue with our coverage audio only, but we'll be here

1046
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: right until the end of practice giving you everything that we.

1047
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 6: See because we're getting a look at that group that

1048
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 6: we've been talking about a little bit there. And you

1049
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 6: did see Douglas get get a rep on the previous.

1050
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 5: Play, like might get another one right now, but just.

1051
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 6: Talking and he's out there again. So I do find

1052
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 6: I don't think those kinds of things are by accident. Yeah,

1053
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 6: you know, I don't think those kinds of accidental.

1054
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 5: He just caught a touchdown from that one for one touchdown.

1055
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 6: You know, every other guy in that group I would say,

1056
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 6: you know, you hesitate to say everything is a lock,

1057
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 6: but every other guy in that group is a frontline

1058
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 6: player and he's there, So I think I.

1059
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 7: Think this gets me a little excited.

1060
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 6: This reason, this reason to believe that they see something.

1061
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 7: Because he's talented, he's got speed, he's got separation ability,

1062
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 7: he can do some of the little gadget things that

1063
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 7: they did with Marcus Jones last year, but he can

1064
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 7: also went down the field with his route running. And

1065
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 7: if he's somebody that they really feel like is getting it,

1066
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 7: and then we can see that translated into actually, you know,

1067
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 7: physically doing it on the field, and that's that's great news.

1068
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not I haven't really gotten the true

1069
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 5: sense of juju yet, but you just see there's so

1070
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 5: many long striders on this offense. I mean Devonte Parker

1071
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 5: long Strider, Kausiki long Strider Hunter, Henry long Strider. Douglas

1072
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 5: stands out to me with just that the quickness, you know,

1073
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 5: you can you can see it already. I'd love to

1074
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 5: see a little bit of Juju in that too, But

1075
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 5: he's a bigger dude.

1076
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 7: Everybody like lose guys at that level at the you

1077
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 7: know the Liberty teams that Liberty would play, I mean

1078
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 7: like turning guys around like tops and like they're just

1079
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 7: five yards away from him. Afterwards, he's got some real,

1080
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 7: real burst and that quickness is definitely there.

1081
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll see what. Meanwhile, Kishan Booty down here with the.

1082
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 6: Like Cunningham ed Lee booty.

1083
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 5: You just wonder Well, it's like a guy like Trey Nixon, right,

1084
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 5: Like everybody rides Tray Nixon like hype train, and you

1085
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 5: know here we are train. Nixon is not the one

1086
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 5: who's getting you know, the the I don't know what

1087
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 5: you call it.

1088
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 6: Nixon was unquestionably the player of the Spring last year.

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Speaker 1: All right, back here in Patriots training camp, high above

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Speaker 1: the practice fields, it's Fred Kurz, Paul Perrillo, Mike Dussau,

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Speaker 1: and Evan Lazarre and uh, we're giving you everything that

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Speaker 1: we see because you can't anymore. So we'll be your

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Speaker 1: eyes for the duration of training camp. Right now, the

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Speaker 1: Patriots are in Special Teams session.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it looks like they're getting started and kick return

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00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 6: is the focus today. We're seeing Marcus Jones and Kyle Duggart,

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Speaker 6: Mike Guy, Kyle Duggart. They'll never let him do it,

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Speaker 6: but he's back there. Ty Montgomery taking some and one

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Speaker 6: of the rookies, Micah Isaiah Bolden. You said he's he

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Speaker 6: was really good and he had that he had that knack. Ye,

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Speaker 6: so you never know, little triperation, a little short kick.

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Speaker 7: He says he had some sort of Bolden of course

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Speaker 7: I should know this, but he had some sort of

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Speaker 7: like college record for kick returns. I think his average

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Speaker 7: or something like that, that he was really effective kick returner.

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Speaker 5: Can anybody be an effective kick returner in this NFL

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00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 5: other than Cordello Patterson?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll be interested to see what the strategy is

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Speaker 1: here now that they have the fair catch? You know,

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Speaker 1: will teams do the fair catch or will they return it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I don't think Cordell Patterson, you know, I think it

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Speaker 7: depends on the If you remember when they had like

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Speaker 7: Brandon Bolden do it for a while, Like if you

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Speaker 7: have somebody like that back.

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Speaker 5: There, right that was like we're just we don't even care.

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Speaker 7: If you have a difference maker, I think you gotta

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Speaker 7: go for it.

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Speaker 5: I think it's always too interesting to me with these

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00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 5: like special team sessions. The one thing I do enjoy

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Speaker 5: about them is just getting a sense of who's got

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Speaker 5: the the you know, the the the angle on a

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Speaker 5: roster spot with who's you know, the top special teams

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Speaker 5: guys those are you know, that's a competition that'll that

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00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 5: will happen this year. A lot of rookies, new guys.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of special teams, gunners, options, vice guys

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Speaker 5: all that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good point because you know you take

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Speaker 6: those two late round corners and speed and bolding, and

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Speaker 6: then you have some like second year guys like Schooler

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Speaker 6: and Mitchell, and you know you start adding well, yeah,

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Speaker 6: you start adding them all up, and you're like, well,

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Speaker 6: only so many of those guys can be sort of

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Speaker 6: on the roster, you know, And here you go, Freddie,

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Speaker 6: We're gonna get started with some seven seven seven.

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Speaker 1: Start with Mac.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, eleven personnel, Kasiki and Juju.

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Speaker 7: So they got born Marcus Jones out there. Gonzales like,

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Speaker 7: this is the group that I hope is the group

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Speaker 7: in the secondary that emerges.

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Speaker 1: Well not not good first pass over the back of

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Speaker 1: the end zone, more of a throwaway than anything else.

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Speaker 7: Good coverage by Christian Gonzalez.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he had a Juju blanketed.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is these pactice sessions. Like I don't

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Speaker 5: want to overreact to Christian Gonzalez being able to be

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Speaker 5: out there because this is like meant for him with

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Speaker 5: how athletic he is, but you know, he just he

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Speaker 5: does look like he's comfortable at least to start.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he plays his leverage great already, Like you

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Speaker 7: just see his body positioning and how he just was

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Speaker 7: on the outside of Juju's hit because he knew that

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Speaker 7: he had the safety inside to help and he's already

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Speaker 7: got a good feel for that sort of thing. And

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Speaker 7: we obviously know he's really athletic.

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Speaker 5: So and there it is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure he was in bounds.

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Speaker 5: And but DeVante Parker, but you know that, I mean

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Speaker 5: right there on Marcus John Marcus Jones we talked about yesterday. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's a tough one for him.

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Speaker 6: I thought Marcus Jones actually had pretty good coverage. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure he was in bounds.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think he was.

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Speaker 6: And this is noteworthy, I think for Marcus Jones because

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Speaker 6: I don't think he got a ton of you know,

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Speaker 6: we know that we're not calling it first team whatever,

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Speaker 6: but this is a group that it's it's Gonzales and

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Speaker 6: Jonathan Jones, like yesterday it's Adrian Phillips and Kyle Duggart

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Speaker 6: with Marcus Jones. You know that's a those are high

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Speaker 6: level reps for him.

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Speaker 5: Yep, same thing missed.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of timing stuff they're trying to work

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Speaker 6: on here. Back corner stuff again. You know, you're you're

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Speaker 6: operating from the five yard line, not a lot of

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Speaker 6: room to sort of operate and being you have to.

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Speaker 6: I think you're kind of scheme reliant on some of

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Speaker 6: the passing game things down here. I think it's so

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Speaker 6: work in progress.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say my my my thing with Gonzales is

1241
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 5: is what's it look like when the pads come on?

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Speaker 5: You know, and even more so, like what's it look

1243
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Speaker 5: like when tackling has to happen? Because that was you know,

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Speaker 5: kind of the knock on him of you know, he's

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Speaker 5: not the most overly physical tackler guy. I mean, he's

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Speaker 5: got good size, but really it's it's all about athleticism

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Speaker 5: and speed for him, which, like, let's face it, you

1248
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Speaker 5: rather have that than than the physicality. But we'll see

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Speaker 5: how he does when the pads come on.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, now that one, that one broke open. Uh KASICKI

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Speaker 6: was wide open between Gonzales and in Duggar, and unfortunately

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Speaker 6: for Mac, I think he was looking the other way

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Speaker 6: to the time.

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Speaker 5: The other way yeah, I mean it. I mean what

1255
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 5: all three passes went to the to the back right

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Speaker 5: corner of the end zone, so maybe maybe they're working

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Speaker 5: on something specific down there also.

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Speaker 7: Just with Gonzalez, like once we get to the joints and

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Speaker 7: Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs and then you know Hopkins

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Speaker 7: and uh and uh Treylon Burks. I know, I'm taking

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Speaker 7: a lot of shots at the Patriots receivers, but at

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Speaker 7: least that's like a little bit of a of a

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Speaker 7: test for him.

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Speaker 1: It'll be full speedy.

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Speaker 6: He definitely broke open, but the throw was a little late,

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Speaker 6: and then Jack Jones did a nice job of playing

1267
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Speaker 6: catch up Douglas being Mike Sky. If people haven't figured.

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Speaker 7: That out, I'm playing it on the throw it is late.

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00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, the throw is definitely late, no doubt. And that

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Speaker 6: was Zappi, by the way, who's coming in after the

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Speaker 6: first the first foard to Mac Jones and now this

1272
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Speaker 6: one to Zappi with a different group of players, you have,

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Speaker 6: is it Booty Douglas looks like Nicky Nixon.

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Speaker 7: For whatever it's worth, Like Zappi has not taken a

1275
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Speaker 7: single rep with a regular receiving group, Like it's it's

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Speaker 7: all those reps have one.

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Speaker 1: There's a nice touchdown for Yeah, she's good, passed by

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Speaker 1: ZAPPI socle high pointed it.

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Speaker 6: Over Jalen Mills, by the way, so not like uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was in a crowd.

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00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 6: Defensively, it's a little different. You got Jack Jones, you

1282
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 6: got Adrian Phillips now still out there with with Mills.

1283
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 6: So like defensively they have I would say a higher

1284
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 6: level of player than than offense right now. So that's

1285
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 6: that's a good win for the offense.

1286
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 5: It seems mostly Mills. It's safety. I I I wonder

1287
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Speaker 5: if he might be a little bit on the bubble,

1288
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 5: no matter how much Like he's got good versatility and

1289
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 5: that's worth a lot. But you know, in a perfect

1290
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 5: booty Boody gets a catch and gets away from Jack

1291
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Speaker 5: Jones gets in. Now, I just wonder if if one

1292
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Speaker 5: of the young guys were to emerge, if if a

1293
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 5: Josh bledsoe you know, we're to emerge and and you know,

1294
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 5: bring more of a ceiling than than Jalen Mills has,

1295
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 5: if he might be on the way out. So obviously

1296
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 5: they redid his contract this year.

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Speaker 1: So so in the receiving corps or you know group

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Speaker 1: that they have now, who would be your surprise person

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Speaker 1: who makes the team.

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Speaker 7: Firkser, I mean that it feels like the third tight

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Speaker 7: end is the guy that is the most wide open

1302
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 7: job out of all of it. I do like Lumpkin,

1303
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 7: you know, I you can block, but I.

1304
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 5: Would say Kevin Harrison ie little catch and.

1305
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 7: You know Kevin Harris can make the team. They don't

1306
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 7: have enough backs unless they signed off a cook, they

1307
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 7: don't have enough backs. I think to cut him. But

1308
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 7: I think that third tight end spots. It is interesting

1309
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 7: because you know last year they only kept two. They

1310
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 7: kept Johnny and Hunter Henry. Two years ago they had

1311
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 7: the full back, so that was three I think technically,

1312
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 7: so I don't know if they'll only carry two again.

1313
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 7: I think I one of these guys might be able

1314
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 7: to get a roster spot.

1315
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: But what about wide receiver.

1316
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 5: I mean, it seems like Douglass right now would be

1317
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 5: the be the favorite that at You got to see

1318
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 5: if one of these other guys, if ed Lee or

1319
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 5: any of those guys.

1320
00:57:55,120 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 6: Can McSorley is out there now. He jammed one into

1321
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 6: Montgomery and tight coverage. You know it's possible they only

1322
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 6: keep four receivers too. I mean, they could go heavy

1323
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 6: on tight ends if they feel like the better players there.

1324
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 6: But you know, you also have that sixteen man practice

1325
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 6: squad where you can sort of mix and match your

1326
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 6: personnel that way. I don't know where, you know, where

1327
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 6: does a guy like Scotty Washington is he Is he

1328
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 6: on this radar at all? Or Rally Webb, these guys

1329
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 6: that played some special teams. In Washington's case, you know,

1330
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 6: he's sort of behind. He's a little, uh, little hybrid

1331
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 6: kind of player.

1332
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 7: Montgomery, he's all right, thoughts get that, man, I don't

1333
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 7: know that the practice squad flexibility is and you were

1334
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 7: talking about third tight ends and fifth and six receivers.

1335
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 7: It does give them a ton of flexibility. And you

1336
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 7: do look at guys like Firks here Scotty Washington, like

1337
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 7: those guys probably would make it back to the practice squad.

1338
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 9: Let's huge preseasons.

1339
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean maybe Ferks are, but you like Scottie Washington,

1340
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 6: Rally Webb, those kinds of circle you're gonna get more

1341
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 6: than likely you're gonna get those guys to the practice

1342
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 6: squad if you want to.

1343
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I gotta admit, you know, everybody loves

1344
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 5: to do fifty three man rosters twenty seven versions of them,

1345
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 5: But like, I don't find it that hard to do

1346
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 5: a fifty three man roster right now, because any fifty

1347
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 5: three man roster that you put together, you're probably gonna

1348
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 5: have to make some kind of leap of a random

1349
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 5: guy that made a jump that you haven't seen yet,

1350
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 5: you know. And that's kind of what I'm waiting for

1351
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 5: in camp, is like, who are gonna be these random

1352
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 5: guys that step up that we that we haven't really talked.

1353
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 5: I mean, Douglas possibly is is you know, the first

1354
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 5: one to maybe ping the radar a little bit of

1355
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 5: of somebody who might get the opportunity with the top

1356
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 5: group to show what he can do.

1357
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,919
Speaker 6: But like yesterday, now this is going high red zone

1358
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 6: now a little bit more out by the twenty and.

1359
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 7: Two versus one.

1360
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 6: This is full, This is full team. This is kind

1361
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 6: of what they did yesterday a little bit, and they

1362
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 6: did a lot of running in this situation yesterday. Yeah,

1363
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 6: this is definitely you're right.

1364
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 5: I think I heard your Parker comment Paul.

1365
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 6: Jos versus ones and it just and it's designed to

1366
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 6: be completed yeah.

1367
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 7: Looked like therefore just gave up, gave up, just give up.

1368
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 9: It's a little bit. It just gave up. Got these

1369
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 9: couple of days, they're just they're hard.

1370
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:20,959
Speaker 5: Let's take mister and.

1371
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 6: You know, and building said it before practice like so

1372
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 6: someone someone, Yeah, it's just it's just the same that

1373
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 6: we were doing. It's not I know, we're all excited

1374
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 6: because we're all looking forward to the next step, you know.

1375
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 5: But as soon as you start camp, you're like, all right,

1376
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:40,479
Speaker 5: still ramping it up. Well, it took me the fall

1377
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 5: start and lap. Oh all right, that's in the blogs.

1378
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 6: Uh but yes it will.

1379
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 5: No lap and oh no, he's going he's maybe he

1380
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 5: could use it a chance to hit the crowd up

1381
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 5: a little bit.

1382
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 7: So that was throws a little bit off or late.

1383
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 7: I but Juju just dusted whoever that was up the seam.

1384
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 7: And those are the types of throwers him in the

1385
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 7: middle of the in the middle of the field, you know,

1386
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 7: in that slot position, that's where he's He hasn't moved

1387
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 7: really from that smell.

1388
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 6: I agree, that's been not noticeable. Most of his most

1389
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 6: of his reps absolutely have mm hmm.

1390
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: Mac still behind center.

1391
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 7: It's a decent amount of twelve personnel here.

1392
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, circle.

1393
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 9: Mac MHM, circle Circle triple.

1394
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 5: Maybe Socle. I know Socle has some fans on the

1395
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 5: social media team as well.

1396
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 7: Everybody's gonna write practice Player of the Day Matt Socle.

1397
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 5: Of offense Circle Take day two. That could be the title.

1398
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 5: You gotta watch some more of the defense. It does

1399
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 5: seem like Marcus Jones is getting a little bit more.

1400
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 5: I think there's been a top line run today. That's

1401
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 5: probably think it's been a.

1402
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 6: Bit of an elevation day for him. After you guys said,

1403
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 6: you know, more of a cornerback.

1404
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 5: I just think you're right. Everything again, everything we talked

1405
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 5: about with him, just and we saw it. There's tomorrow, Doug,

1406
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 5: this nice little say.

1407
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 7: That's those a little quick twitch underneath routes.

1408
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 5: Not enough of that.

1409
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 7: They don't they don't have that guy.

1410
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 5: And he was maybe they do have that guy. Maybe

1411
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 5: they do, But I just you know, I and I

1412
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 5: say it with about Marcus Jones, is that like coming out.

1413
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 5: I thought one of his best skills was his ability

1414
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 5: to just athletically match guys in man coverage and just

1415
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 5: stick with guys. But it doesn't really matter if you're

1416
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 5: sticking with him and you're only up to their you know,

1417
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 5: to their chest, you know, and they're gonna put the

1418
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 5: ball over your head.

1419
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 7: So this is a ZAPPI rep with some of the

1420
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 7: with the regular skill players, Jew and Born, Pierre Strong,

1421
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 7: David Andrew. This is this is a one rep for

1422
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 7: zapp Wide Open Checkdown.

1423
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 6: It was a bit of a breakdown there. I would say, yeah,

1424
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 6: I don't want to get too technical.

1425
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 5: Oh no, oh boy, big collision. Forty four is up

1426
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 5: and okay, and Jack Jones is okay too.

1427
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 6: But oh I that was not good for Rally Web.

1428
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, Rolly Webb and Jack Jones.

1429
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 7: That was even a big hit. Even if Pat's right

1430
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 7: like that's a big training camp hit.

1431
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 5: I think that was almost more of a collision. Yeah,

1432
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 5: it wasn't clarified.

1433
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 6: They ran into each other. It wasn't a hit.

1434
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 5: Jack Jones is not trying to Rodney Harrison anybody out

1435
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 5: here today.

1436
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 7: Not yet.

1437
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: I remember It's okay.

1438
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 5: I gotta say though, can I just say real quick,

1439
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 5: I think Trace mcstory is pretty rough out there, man.

1440
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 5: I when we've been watching his reps like it's it's

1441
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 5: he's pretty bad.

1442
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: He's he's inaccurate, it's like.

1443
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe we got to pull back on those reps

1444
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 5: a little bit. Definitely a camp arms for sure, and

1445
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 5: then it's it's just perfect.

1446
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 7: I remember in college and Marcus Jones against Calvin Austin.

1447
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 7: That was like the big tape for both those guys.

1448
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 7: And Calvin Austin got him a couple of times, but

1449
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 7: he got Calvin Austin if you he was you know,

1450
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 7: real heavyweight, back and forth type of thing, and those

1451
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 7: you know, Calvin Austin is one of those guys that

1452
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 7: we were talking about yesterday. It's a speedy slot, you know,

1453
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 7: undersized slot receiver. And if that's if they can make

1454
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 7: sure that Marcus Jones is only matched up against those

1455
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 7: types of receivers, I know, I don't think it's a problem.

1456
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 5: And I mean I mentioned it yesterday, but I mean

1457
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 5: it's just what stood out to me with it just

1458
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 5: seemed like classic Josh McDaniels last year, where on that

1459
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 5: last drive that they had, it was Mac Collins on

1460
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 5: Marcus Jones.

1461
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 6: Mac.

1462
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 5: I mean they I think they went to him three

1463
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 5: times including the touchdown. You know, that's the kind of

1464
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 5: thing where as an offensive coordinator, you see that if

1465
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 5: I got a big receiver. If I've got Devontae Parker,

1466
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 5: you know that's got contested catch in the back corner

1467
01:04:59,040 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 5: of the endzone written all over.

1468
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 6: And now they're working their way back where they were

1469
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 6: yesterday in the red zone, down down, closer to the

1470
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 6: five yard line.

1471
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 5: Still still zapp in there, baby steps, Yeah, still zap.

1472
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 7: You're right, says some real run with the ones for

1473
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 7: for baileysapp.

1474
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,959
Speaker 6: Henry, it's Born, it's Montgomery, it's Parker, absolutely Trump Brown,

1475
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 6: Bill Murray, of course. Yeah, the line is the same, right.

1476
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, eighty five.

1477
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 6: What do you make of Bill Bill Murray? Like?

1478
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 5: Is that?

1479
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 6: Is that a bad sign that none of the rookies

1480
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 6: have impressed.

1481
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 5: Enough to can I can we check back on like

1482
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 5: day five. I think Bill Murray is still there on

1483
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 5: day five. I mean, I don't want to slight Bill Murray.

1484
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 6: May that's the right answer. I think I think he

1485
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 6: gave the right answer. Yeah, it's okay, Yeah, I mean

1486
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 6: I am.

1487
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 5: I mean, Bill Murray is one of my guys. I

1488
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 5: have to say the fifty year practice squad, right your jump.

1489
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 5: But I mean I think I said at the top

1490
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 5: of the show, I always feel like sometimes with this stuff,

1491
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 5: and it would be like an example be Hey, you know,

1492
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 5: the first day of practice, you got these rookie running backs,

1493
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 5: but Brandon Bolden's out there taking the first reps. It's like,

1494
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 5: I feel like early in camp they like to put

1495
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 5: guys out there who kind of know what they're doing

1496
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 5: to at least set the baseline and then you know,

1497
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 5: when it does become about competition, then maybe those guys

1498
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 5: will make a push. I mean, you know, you'd love

1499
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 5: to see Mafi get in there and start getting some

1500
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 5: run with those with those ones, that'd be you know,

1501
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 5: a good sign, especially unfortunately for Michael and Wenu. If

1502
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 5: you know, if he were to have to start the

1503
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 5: season on pup they got that. That's another big question mark.

1504
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 5: Who's gonna play there? I mean, I don't think anybody,

1505
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 5: especially we talked about Connor McDermott and you know in

1506
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 5: Riley Reef at right tackle. How do you feel about

1507
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 5: Bill Murray at right guard? I mean, that's that's that's

1508
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 5: another one. Holds your breath and see how it goes.

1509
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I definitely think that you would like to see

1510
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 7: Antonio Maffi be the guy there. I just I think

1511
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 7: he's got the most translatable skill set to what they

1512
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 7: ask for out of their right guards. And he looks exactly.

1513
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: Up. We lost seven.

1514
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 5: I have you though, did you lose a battery, Evan?

1515
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 5: Not the dead battery, it could be.

1516
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: Faith. Do we have any batteries?

1517
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 6: I think Evan might need batteries, Faith And in case

1518
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 6: you are all wondering, yes, he is a machine, so

1519
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 6: he needs he needs batteries charged, Evan.

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01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 5: Plug him in. We got Mac back in there now.

1521
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of tight stuff, you know, heavy play action,

1522
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 6: you know, looking looking to leak the tight ends out.

1523
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 6: There was one nice connection there.

1524
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 5: Who was that eighty eight? Sicky?

1525
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 6: It's a good throw.

1526
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 5: That was a nice one from Mac. There today we

1527
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 5: still got yeah, we still got all the back line.

1528
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 5: Plug him in. Uh yeah, that's still the same.

1529
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: Still the first crew with back then that offensive line has.

1530
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 5: Not a lot of reps. A Mario Douglas back back

1531
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 5: to Pats.

1532
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 9: Hunter Henry little jet motion for to Mario Douglas.

1533
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 7: There.

1534
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 5: You know, it looks a lot better when you got

1535
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 5: a little quick guy running the jet motion instead of

1536
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:21,839
Speaker 5: one of the big plotters.

1537
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 6: You know, Harry, what if you think TK Metcalp is

1538
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 6: better than Kennil Harry, You're an idiot.

1539
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 9: I think is he still available? And he worked out

1540
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 9: with the Bears.

1541
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 6: I think it was the Bears be well, I don't

1542
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 6: think he'd cut him. He was free year.

1543
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 7: No, maybe maybe it was nikkil Harry formerly of the

1544
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 7: Bears were I don't know what he.

1545
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 6: Definitely he was. That was the last year of his

1546
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 6: contract when we got rid of him.

1547
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 7: Right.

1548
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 5: Did Chad Jackson ever do anything? Everything anywhere else? He

1549
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 5: was the same thing.

1550
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: Just what a bust he huh?

1551
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,879
Speaker 5: I mean, both guys look like absolute adonis.

1552
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 6: It's like, I mean, just cut from stone Chad Jackson.

1553
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 6: I was on the Chad Jackson bandwagon. I'll have to

1554
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 6: admit that when he went before he saw him play,

1555
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 6: or when he was here on the practice field, I was.

1556
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 6: I was in. I thought I thought they had two

1557
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 6: really good skill guys in Maroney and Jackson that year.

1558
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 6: They looked great in the camps in the spring, and

1559
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 6: they never really materialized.

1560
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 5: What was up with many? He was good, he had

1561
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 5: his games had I mean it was a two thousand

1562
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 5: and seven ANFC championship game. I always give him a

1563
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 5: lot of credit for.

1564
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:31,799
Speaker 6: But he was really good in the playoffs.

1565
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,560
Speaker 5: I always liked how he ran, you know, I just

1566
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 5: you think he ran hard and I never quite got

1567
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 5: what the what the disconnect was with him, Like why

1568
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 5: he couldn't get to.

1569
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: The pity exactly. Yeah, yeah, that was his thing. Not

1570
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 1: decisive enough, but he It's a.

1571
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 7: When girl was talking yesterday about receivers and he was

1572
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 7: asked about the number one receiver thing, and he did

1573
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 7: give a really cool answer, extensive answer about what they

1574
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 7: view and number one receiver as. And we're kind of

1575
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 7: talking about this yesterday and just the body types of

1576
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 7: the guys that they have draft. At the top of

1577
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 7: the draft, they're trying to check so many boxes right,

1578
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 7: Like they're like, the number one receiver is a guy

1579
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 7: that can get open on his own, that can play

1580
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 7: inside and outside, that preferably can also add something in

1581
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 7: the run game. And it's like, so that's why you're

1582
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,719
Speaker 7: gravitating towards Nikhil Harry's and Chadgic because if they're gonna

1583
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 7: have to add something in the run game and they're

1584
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 7: gonna have to play multiple spots, like they're gonna have

1585
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 7: to have some size.

1586
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 5: It's almost like they're talking themselves into it, you know,

1587
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 5: like they have such a high bar and so many

1588
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 5: checkpoints that they you know, probably maybe fudge a couple

1589
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,560
Speaker 5: of like well, you know, we love to kill some

1590
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 5: size and you know, maybe his intelligence. But like at

1591
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 5: the end of the day, he just you know, he

1592
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 5: didn't move the needle.

1593
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 7: That is something that I think is makes you just

1594
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 7: a little bit optimistic about their approach, is that Taekwon

1595
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 7: isn't that Taekwon is good at one thing. He's fast,

1596
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 7: and that they didn't try to They didn't overthink his weight.

1597
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 7: And I know he hasn't done anything yet. So when

1598
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 7: I say think, I just mean in terms of the

1599
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 7: evaluation in the draft, they didn't think about his way.

1600
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 7: They didn't think either he's not run blocking like that's

1601
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 7: it's not they did.

1602
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 5: They did try to do it with him, Like it's

1603
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 5: like now they're just trying to well, let's just take

1604
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 5: the fast guy and try to make them into what

1605
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 5: we want.

1606
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: A couple emails coming in at web Radio at pages

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Speaker 1: dot com, Jack wants to know, are you surprised that

1608
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: pig in an urban setting wasn't lining up with the

1609
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:23,799
Speaker 1: twos yesterday?

1610
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 6: I was a little bit. I did take note of that.

1611
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 6: I think I'll put it in the same box that

1612
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 6: Mike put Bill Murray in five six days in if

1613
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 6: we're still not really seeing that somewhere, you know, whether

1614
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 6: it be right guard or right tackle, I.

1615
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 5: Don't care well, especially when they have so many questions,

1616
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 5: you know. And I mean it just goes back to

1617
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 5: talking about the fifty three menu roster. It's like, yeah,

1618
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 5: Riley reached the starter, but do you feel like he's

1619
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 5: a lock. I mean, I don't think.

1620
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 6: I don't think he's a you know, I don't know.

1621
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 5: Don't really have a lock at right tackle, Like they

1622
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 5: don't really have them, you know.

1623
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 6: And part of that is Calvin Anderson and where he

1624
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 6: might fit in, and we have seeing him out here.

1625
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 6: I don't know what his limitations are. But yeah, I

1626
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 6: agree with you might get you're going to have probably

1627
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 6: a veteran that could start and could not be on

1628
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 6: the team. Like I know that sounds silly, but yeah,

1629
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:16,520
Speaker 6: you guys.

1630
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 7: Read anything into the fact that Bailey Zappy just got

1631
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 7: some legitimate run with the with the ones just now

1632
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 7: a little bit.

1633
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it, but I didn't want to

1634
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: like open up that can of worms.

1635
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 7: I don't I don't want to overreact to it either.

1636
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 7: But that didn't happen yesterday, you know. I just yeah,

1637
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 7: you always you never know, like about managing reps and man,

1638
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 7: you know how they're kind of divving it up or whatever.

1639
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 5: But yeah, that was see some more RPO stuff down there.

1640
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 7: That was definitely interesting.

1641
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, little uh non tackling tackling drills going on, Guys

1642
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: taking the ball and having to evade the defender within

1643
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:58,600
Speaker 1: a certain booty couldn't hold onto a confined area. I

1644
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: think this might be a good time to take a break.

1645
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1646
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Speaker 1: All right, back here at Patriot's training camp. Fred Kirsh,

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Speaker 1: Paul Parrillo, Mike dus, Evan Lazar, we're high up of

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Speaker 1: the practice fields here at Jillette Stadium, Patriots are Now

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01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: what is it? Kick return session of practice?

1703
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 6: Yes, looks to me like today's work is kick return.

1704
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 6: They kicked the makeshift kickoff team wearing the pinnies.

1705
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, Fred, I couldn't make another team. We just announced

1706
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 5: training camp practices for next week. I could share those lots,

1707
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 5: I you'd like. That is, so there will be practice

1708
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 5: next Monday or I guess Sunday. But Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

1709
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 5: Thursday have been announced now as well. Those will all

1710
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 5: be nine am start times for the practices on Monday, Wednesday, Thursday,

1711
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 5: but Tuesday will be a midday practice twelve thirty to

1712
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 5: two thirty. Gates open at eleven for that Tuesday practice

1713
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 5: on August first, So next week coming together a little bit.

1714
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 1: I wonder why Tuesday is midday well in the middle

1715
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: of some others.

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01:16:56,439 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it sounds like they they practicing h five

1717
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 6: days in a row.

1718
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're allowed to do that.

1719
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think. I think it's every five days they

1720
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 6: need a day off, but they usually.

1721
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they'll be Thursday.

1722
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: Okay, that means I'll have Friday off, right, Supposedly, I.

1723
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 6: Thought Friday was the in season stadium. So that's probably

1724
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 6: not right. Yeah, that's probably not That's why I kind

1725
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 6: of stuck out unless we're reading the dates wrong.

1726
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: Because if they're practicing Sunday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

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01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: that's five days. So if Friday Friday is already an

1728
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: inn stadium, I.

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01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 6: Thought Friday was the in stadium practice.

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01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 1: You guys, so one of those days are going to

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01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: be off.

1732
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 9: I would assume Thursday, but I don't know.

1733
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 5: As always, things are subject to change, so let's not

1734
01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 5: worry about it. Read the blocks, you'll know.

1735
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,759
Speaker 7: A little bit more ramped up than in the previous

1736
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 7: years that I had covered it.

1737
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 5: They did a full pads.

1738
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, they did a little bit more.

1739
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 6: I think they had pads on. I don't necessarily think

1740
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 6: it was ramped up at all.

1741
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 5: A couple of nights I remember it being a little

1742
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 5: bit more.

1743
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 6: Brian had a.

1744
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 5: Couple of nice throws of that one.

1745
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 6: Well, that was one you thought there, I thought, you said,

1746
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 6: Brian Morey, Uh yeah, that was when we thought it

1747
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 6: was like ending.

1748
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 5: We went down and then like it kept going, but

1749
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 5: it was it was again. It was like, oh yes,

1750
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 5: more of like a you know, running through the game

1751
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 5: day operation. It was there's a sideline, we stand up.

1752
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,719
Speaker 5: It was now absolutely wise.

1753
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 7: I wrote a post about it being more intense than

1754
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 7: it was.

1755
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 6: It doesn't mean it was right.

1756
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 9: I mean, I think it's funny.

1757
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 7: I think it was just the way Mike said most

1758
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:57,560
Speaker 7: years that that practice is like a walkthrough just for appearances,

1759
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 7: just bringing guys out just to break. He would just

1760
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 7: come out and shorten it.

1761
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 6: They did have pads on. That's what to me the

1762
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 6: difference was. I'm not saying I'm just saying it was

1763
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 6: that blue white scrimmage that they do half speed and

1764
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 6: they go over every situation. They run the field goal

1765
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 6: unit on, they do a free kickoff like they do everything.

1766
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 6: It's it's every situation you could possibly do.

1767
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 5: We'll check the blogs.

1768
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 7: You check the blog.

1769
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: Dugger deep.

1770
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 6: Over it. My guy right here, dugger. I like just

1771
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 6: watching him handle the kick and then I say, we'll

1772
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 6: never see that again.

1773
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 5: There he goes, They're gonna put him out there one

1774
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 5: time this year, Paul, and he's gonna fair catch it,

1775
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 5: and you're gonna be pissed.

1776
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 6: I might cry.

1777
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 5: I could finally and wave. Well they I gotta say, though,

1778
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know what it's like in the

1779
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,680
Speaker 5: sun right now, but this cool breeze up here is.

1780
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 6: I did notice yesterday that we were very comfortable up here,

1781
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 6: and when we went down to do the interviews. I

1782
01:19:58,479 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 6: don't know if it was just because there was so

1783
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 6: many people and tight quarters, but it felt like it

1784
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 6: was ten degrees hotter down there.

1785
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 1: Well, the TEP is definitely going up. I've got eighty

1786
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:07,640
Speaker 1: four degrees right now.

1787
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's on your Accu weatherfit.

1788
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: Yes, and sun is starting to peek out a little

1789
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: bit more.

1790
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 5: As we're now. This is again more kickoff return.

1791
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:20,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's more bolden.

1792
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,719
Speaker 1: Looks like they're gonna get ready for eleven on eleven,

1793
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: here comes the.

1794
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 6: Lines, Oh where are they coming from? Fred? All right?

1795
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: Yates?

1796
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 5: Of hell, we got to get It's like some kind

1797
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 5: of social media posts of you know, some work going

1798
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 5: on down there with some fire and Billy Yates.

1799
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 6: So now I want to see if Evans thing with

1800
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 6: Zappy sort of caveaes through this second level of team.

1801
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, it looks like we got one's v one.

1802
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: But you know that's sneaky on the Offensi's part, Like

1803
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 1: Mac will be the first one out there, but he

1804
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,560
Speaker 1: won't be necessarily with the first.

1805
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 5: That's well, that's the cam Newton thing. That's what they did,

1806
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 5: Kim Newton. Cam Newton will get the first four reps.

1807
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 6: Wait a minute, but mat Mac took his reps before

1808
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 6: Zappi with the ones. But Evan's point was Zappi took

1809
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 6: reps with the ones also, which I don't think he

1810
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 6: did yesterday. I agree with Evan on that.

1811
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 7: See, we do agree sometimes.

1812
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 5: What do you do?

1813
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 6: What will they they yell at me for agreeing with

1814
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 6: you all the time.

1815
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 5: What would you say? Is the philosophical difference in a

1816
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 5: practice and a drill where you're going ones versus ones

1817
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 5: versus we're gonna go the first team offense against the

1818
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 5: second team defense. Uh, you know sometimes they switch it up.

1819
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: Well, you want to get looks sometimes it's tempo, yeah,

1820
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: and you want to you want to see some of this,

1821
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: you know, to be back up defensive players against some

1822
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: of your better Also, sometimes.

1823
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 7: It's a little bit of they want the better players

1824
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 7: to be able to do what they need to do right,

1825
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 7: but it's still have a tempo, like you're not just

1826
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 7: doing walk through, but you're trying to run things, and

1827
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 7: you think that Juju Smith Schuster is probably gonna.

1828
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: Get wonder Blitz got there.

1829
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:05,759
Speaker 7: Here's his best throw of camp so far, two days.

1830
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 5: In play action protection.

1831
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: Why don't you describe it a little bit?

1832
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 7: So it's a I don't want to call it something.

1833
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 7: He ran a deep over and then Kendrick Bourne ran

1834
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 7: the post or the deep over to the other direction

1835
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 7: off of play action, just kind of like intersecting crossing

1836
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 7: grounds and Parker beat his guy and Mac dropped it

1837
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 7: in the bucket.

1838
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 6: And we should mention that it was Gonzales that got

1839
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 6: bet just because we've been talking about how his coverage

1840
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,600
Speaker 6: has been really good, so we want to be a

1841
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 6: little bit balanced. But yeah, that was that was nice.

1842
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 6: Nice design. A little Pepper's, you know, very active as

1843
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 6: a blitzer in the first two days.

1844
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 7: By the way, see that that's gonna be a lot

1845
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 7: of their offense, right, Empty, Mac and Empty spread the formation.

1846
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: Out underneath like quick outs underneath the hunter Henry.

1847
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 6: The other part about that twos versus ones thing, ones

1848
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 6: versus two's whatever I think and I don't. You can't

1849
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 6: always tell because sometimes they have cards out, sometimes they don't.

1850
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 6: But a lot of times when the twos are running

1851
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 6: someone else's looks as opposed to you don't necessarily want

1852
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 6: your ones running someone else's looks.

1853
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 15: Just do what you do.

1854
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if that was the case.

1855
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 6: Down the far end, it looked like it was a

1856
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 6: very low tempo and most of those plays were designed

1857
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 6: to succeed getting Josh bloodsoe here a little.

1858
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 7: This is this is what I want to I've been

1859
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 7: waiting to see all off season though nobody open No, well, yeah,

1860
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 7: but Mac and empty, Like I really feel like that's

1861
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 7: where he can really control the line of scrimmage and

1862
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 7: use his brain to just know where the ball should

1863
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 7: go before the ball is snapped and get the thing

1864
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 7: out of there, and it just stresses the defense. And

1865
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 7: bill Obrian's empty package is famous, like it's it's one

1866
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 7: of the best at any level of football, and just

1867
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:49,640
Speaker 7: I think he can thrive in that situation. I really do,

1868
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 7: because of his ability to cross this defense.

1869
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: What makes O'Brien's empty different than others.

1870
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 7: Well, he's been building it for years and years, which

1871
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 7: I think is a big thing. But he young corporates

1872
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 7: a lot of tempo, and then he also does it

1873
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 7: out of different formations like he excuse me personnel groupings,

1874
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 7: like he's not afraid to run empty out of twelve

1875
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 7: or run empty out of a more traditional run personnel grouping,

1876
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 7: and that creates a lot of mismatches, a lot of

1877
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 7: coverage tells, like if you put a tight end out

1878
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 7: wide and the corners over him, then you know it's

1879
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 7: probably his own coverage, and that allows the quarterback to

1880
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 7: be able to decipher the coverage. So it's not necessarily

1881
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 7: the play designs themselves, but it's very Uh, He's got

1882
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 7: a lot in his rolodex, and it's been successful for

1883
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:35,719
Speaker 7: him pretty much everywhere.

1884
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 6: Mike, did you get a good look at that result

1885
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 6: of that place?

1886
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 5: Nobody opened? He wanted it.

1887
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 6: He looked like he had Juju, and Juju I thought

1888
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 6: could have made the catch.

1889
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 5: Yeaheah. Did you feel like I felt that way? I

1890
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 5: don't know if he I mean, I didn't really felt

1891
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 5: feel like he could have had him. It just felt

1892
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 5: like he got off and like he wanted him, but

1893
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 5: he got off.

1894
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 6: It definitely wasn't the design. It was a hard play

1895
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 6: action again, like Evan just said, ball designed to come

1896
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 6: out quick. The coverage was there. But then I thought

1897
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 6: he had I thought I thought Juju had a chance

1898
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 6: to make a play. He does make a touchdown catch

1899
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 6: here on on Gonzalez again, you know, right by the pylon. Yeah, yeah,

1900
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 6: see that's I think Evan's right. When the ball comes

1901
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 6: out immediately. He's accurate enough that in general the plays

1902
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 6: looks looks solid. It's it's about the timing in the rhythm,

1903
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 6: I think Zappian. Now, so that was five plays for mac.

1904
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,879
Speaker 5: So second offensive line again, same as it was yesterday.

1905
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 6: We had him three for Shin.

1906
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 5: Jake Andrews.

1907
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 7: There, Conor McDermott a little bit of a rough period

1908
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 7: there for Christian Gonzalez. That beat a couple of months.

1909
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that was live action.

1910
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 5: Kelvin Munson would have put JJ Taylor into the socios

1911
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 5: dot com house there.

1912
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: Oh not.

1913
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 6: You guys are really doing a good job, sure, you

1914
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 6: guys really? Yeah, if we got to step up the

1915
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 6: sponsored game, right, we got to step up our sponsor game.

1916
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 6: Although I am I'm reading between the lines, you know,

1917
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 6: with this Toyota Sullivant time. You know, you know Bridgestone

1918
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 6: cars speaking, I think we have cars in our future.

1919
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: Speaking of Toyota, if you want to see Toyota's best offers,

1920
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: including those not seen on TV, go to buy at

1921
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,960
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1922
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,799
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1923
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:37,799
Speaker 1: Let's go Places, Let's go places.

1924
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 6: Let's So that was like interesting little play design.

1925
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 5: Did you catch Evan missed it? I think Evan missed

1926
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 5: that one.

1927
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 6: They sort of had a little bubble. I don't know

1928
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 6: what you were doing, but it was a little bubble

1929
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,560
Speaker 6: to to Tray Nixon with a couple of guys in

1930
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 6: front of them. But the defense I thought was swarming there.

1931
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 6: But yeah, seemed like a little a little bit of

1932
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 6: a different yeah, a little bit of a different kind

1933
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 6: of look.

1934
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 1: Of course, the bubble.

1935
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 6: So now this is one that I hope people don't

1936
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 6: get too excited. So that's now. Zappi has been in

1937
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 6: for three plays. They've all been little swing passes. They're

1938
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,879
Speaker 6: all complete three three. Well, you know three for three.

1939
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 7: Play you know, no, you know they'll write it all.

1940
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 7: You know, they will no context needed here.

1941
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 6: I just looked at and for the record three for three,

1942
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 6: but you know, all coming from inside the ten yard line.

1943
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 6: None of them ended up in the end zone. Yeah,

1944
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 6: and none of them would have ended.

1945
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,759
Speaker 5: Up J Taylor would have ended up dead.

1946
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 7: The exact play design you're talking about. But they they

1947
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 7: definitely have ran some we say r PO style things.

1948
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean I've been saying it's.

1949
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 7: It's it's there. I mean, that's just a screen. But

1950
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 7: they they've definitely done quite a bit of that. And

1951
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 7: I we talked about it a little bit yesterday. How

1952
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 7: you can see how they're building up to it by

1953
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 7: like installing the run element first, and then they put

1954
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 7: the pass routes onto it and it's and then they

1955
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 7: do it all together, right, and and that's that's definitely

1956
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 7: gonna be a part of the playbook. I like most

1957
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 7: teams that run a lot of RPO or somewhere around

1958
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 7: twenty five percent RPO in terms of their RPO plays

1959
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 7: relative to the rest of the plays that they run.

1960
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 7: But that that's like at the top of the league.

1961
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 7: That's like Philadelphia, Kansas City, like they'll run it that much.

1962
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 7: I don't know if the Patriots are going to be

1963
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 7: twenty five percent RPO.

1964
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 5: And like lead the league, but it's going to be

1965
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 5: more than they've been running.

1966
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, like my same sec second offensive line is yesterday, yes, correct,

1967
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 6: And I would I would say just to you know,

1968
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 6: follow up on Evan's point. We wanted to watch as

1969
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 6: this period what got underway. Mac took the first five

1970
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 6: with the ones. Zappi came in, took the next five,

1971
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 6: not with the ones, not the same, did not operate

1972
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 6: with the same personnel that he did in the previous

1973
01:28:53,960 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 6: team period. At the other end, yep, no contract, Well

1974
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 6: we can make one.

1975
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 5: I mean it is fun because I mean we're doing

1976
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 5: the show and we're trying to watch and talk and

1977
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 5: and there's a lot going on. But it's always interesting

1978
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 5: to me then to go back through the Twitter feed

1979
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 5: to see what other people. Yeah, how long I was

1980
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:15,919
Speaker 5: what I didn't even see practice?

1981
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, that happened a little yesterday.

1982
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 1: It's sorely in there now.

1983
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:29,640
Speaker 6: Oh boy, you guys are a little harsh on the

1984
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 6: third quarter of it.

1985
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I don't want to do it, but like,

1986
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 5: I've never seen it look non functional as consistent as

1987
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 5: it is with him, Like.

1988
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 15: Oh boy, did you see Tim Tebow? No, no, that's

1989
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 15: and that's did you see Cam Newton? Come on, McClellan,

1990
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 15: that was something.

1991
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: Do you know his middle name?

1992
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 5: Of course I do, McClellan.

1993
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 1: Man, what.

1994
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 5: You're finger wagging us with the wrong name?

1995
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 1: Right?

1996
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 6: Oh?

1997
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 5: Mcsorlely and that's outside.

1998
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, like Malie Cunningham had a step there too.

1999
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny, you know it's uh, you just said

2000
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 5: Malie Cunningham's name, Paul, you did. I'm like, man, I

2001
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 5: haven't even haven't thought of him once, and all of

2002
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 5: a sudden, I haven't seen him much kind of pops up.

2003
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 5: But I did say blood so Josh Bledsoe was getting

2004
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:22,959
Speaker 5: some run at safety. I mean it seems like Mapho's

2005
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,599
Speaker 5: working in as safety pretty much full time now, Sorry, Evan.

2006
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:31,679
Speaker 6: Much of the dismay of yeah, lazare and I haven't comment.

2007
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,639
Speaker 5: I haven't really gotten a glimpse at key On White

2008
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 5: doing much either.

2009
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 6: Nope, not a ton.

2010
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 5: The only time I thought about him is when I

2011
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,679
Speaker 5: see Ronnie Perkins sorely running.

2012
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 6: Oh, we definitely need to see he would again doctors

2013
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 6: come on.

2014
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 14: Yeah.

2015
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 5: Still though he seems like he's doing a lot of

2016
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 5: spectating because this is like the two's right here, I

2017
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 5: mean you got I mean you know these are even

2018
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 5: beyond that, right for the Ronnie Perks, Sam Robbers, Sonny's car.

2019
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:12,640
Speaker 6: Washer, Jeremiah Jeremiah Farms.

2020
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 5: Ocasi shut you him out just talking about Yeah, this

2021
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 5: is down in the dregs.

2022
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 1: Sorely a lot of JJ.

2023
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 7: Taylor getting some questions about Christian Gonzales. I think people

2024
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 7: are reading tweets of Parker beating him and then Juju

2025
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 7: beat him, and but I think you know, he he's

2026
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 7: riding the wave a little bit of a rookie in

2027
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 7: the first couple of days. But there are just so

2028
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 7: many signs that I think are really positive of just

2029
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,799
Speaker 7: him understanding his body positioning, understanding his role in the coverage.

2030
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 7: And he obviously moves well. So it's not all he's

2031
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 7: a corner. He's gonna get beat sometimes, it's not going

2032
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 7: to be perfect every single time, and he's not gonna

2033
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 7: suffocate every single guy every single snaps. But I think

2034
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 7: he's he's been.

2035
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 5: Fine with the ones now at at I guess we

2036
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 5: call it right edge.

2037
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 7: It's a big dude.

2038
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2039
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 13: Back backed in.

2040
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 1: Tim Tim, our friend from Duncan says, I agree with

2041
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 1: Evan for what it's worth, having been to many of

2042
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: the season ticket holder practices. I also thought that last

2043
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: year's was more competitive than previous years.

2044
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 6: There's one guy on Evan's side. I can tell you

2045
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 6: from being at all twenty of them. They've flipped all

2046
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 6: the same.

2047
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:42,679
Speaker 5: I have no recollection. Yeah, except for they had pads

2048
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 5: on last year. Yeah, they don't usually again, no June

2049
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 5: on team periods. So you got ki on White. That's

2050
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 5: kind of interesting. Ye Kim White now defensive end. This

2051
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 5: is more like he played when he was in Georgia Tech.

2052
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 1: Sergia wants to know if we've seen or heard anything

2053
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:05,839
Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurd.

2054
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:09,919
Speaker 5: Uh not today. I thought he looked pretty athletic running yesterday.

2055
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 6: He is smooth, yea silk running absolutely, but he's not

2056
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 6: great size, but he just got here like I think

2057
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 6: he's like one of the plays I noticed him lining

2058
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 6: up yesterday. It looked like he didn't know exactly where

2059
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 6: he's supposed to be, which is completely understandable.

2060
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 5: I mean, he's been here for like three days, right,

2061
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 5: But it is a little bit of intrigue. I mean,

2062
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 5: if I was him, I would be looking my chops

2063
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 5: at the opportunity that exists here. All right, one's back

2064
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 5: out there, Thornton Bourne too tight.

2065
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 6: So fifty one pretty much took guys spot because this

2066
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 6: is bar more with with Godshaw.

2067
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's on the he's on the right edge now,

2068
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 5: yeah right, yeah, So it's this barrage of him with

2069
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 5: this is just a just in the middle, no chance

2070
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 5: Mac back of the it's on a born Marcus. Joe

2071
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:03,919
Speaker 5: pretty to cover from Marcus.

2072
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 7: I don't want to, you know, I don't know what

2073
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 7: taekwon Thornton. See they're talking about it right now, Like

2074
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,560
Speaker 7: I don't know what Taekwon Thornton's route is there, but

2075
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 7: they're talking about it now. And this is one thing

2076
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 7: that he's got to clean up. It looked like the

2077
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 7: corner had to leverage the opposite direction, which he broke

2078
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 7: right like her. He ran into it and Matt's what

2079
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 7: Mac is talking about it with him right now. And

2080
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 7: if he had ran, if he had cut it off

2081
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 7: the other direction, he would have been wide open. And

2082
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:35,680
Speaker 7: those are just the little things that he came up

2083
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:37,680
Speaker 7: last year too with this route running that he's got

2084
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 7: to work on for sure if he's gonna be a

2085
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 7: big contributed It was a.

2086
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: Slow walk back to the uh, the group takwon.

2087
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:49,640
Speaker 7: So that's that's as come on, that's the best thing.

2088
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the best play I've seen out of Juju

2089
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:57,879
Speaker 6: where he quick quick move, cut inside and cut the touchdown.

2090
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:01,280
Speaker 6: Who was that again against? Was that Mark? I think

2091
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 6: that was on Marcus Marcus Jones right, So that that.

2092
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 7: Was a vintage Patriots pull the guard play action, get

2093
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 7: the linebackers to bite and create that one on one

2094
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 7: and Juju Juju beat him. Good practice so far from Juju,

2095
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 7: I got him with like three or four catches, all right,

2096
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 7: yeah two tuddies?

2097
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 1: Is that JJ in the backfield? Yeah?

2098
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:26,560
Speaker 5: Ooh, nice to see there you go?

2099
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: That that plays over see these are that's the thing

2100
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 1: that that scares you.

2101
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 5: It's just right underneath Riley Reef. And I mean, I

2102
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 5: think he's a good player, but I.

2103
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:41,639
Speaker 7: Really am trying very very hard, uh to not over

2104
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 7: evaluate the offensive line in defensive line without pads on,

2105
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 7: because look, when Riley Reeve can hit somebody, it's a

2106
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 7: totally different game, right, And that's totally fair. But his

2107
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 7: foot speed slow, I mean, he's he's just.

2108
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 5: That's what stands out at this point, his ability to

2109
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 5: get to.

2110
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 7: That landmark and and get himself in that past.

2111
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,559
Speaker 6: Let's to check in with Andy on that Fred. Everybody

2112
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 6: was it Big Cat Williams when he came and he

2113
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 6: was going through the pads with the footwork, and he

2114
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 6: was like he can't play, and he couldn't.

2115
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 1: He left, Oh, there's a pick for dugger and Mac

2116
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 1: does some Mac does some push ups after that. That

2117
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 1: was ill advised.

2118
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 9: So that's again a movie down.

2119
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 6: Can I just tell you, I know, I get I

2120
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 6: get accused of being the Mac basher, and I guess

2121
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 6: sometimes that's accurate. That's the throw he keeps doing. He

2122
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 6: does not have the arm strength to run one way

2123
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 6: and throw the other. It will not ever get there.

2124
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 7: And I'm with you one hundred percent, So why are

2125
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 7: they asking him to do.

2126
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 6: It like he and I don't think they're asking him

2127
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 6: to throw across his body.

2128
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 7: I don't think so either. But every time they move

2129
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:49,640
Speaker 7: the pocket, it does not go well. Every time they

2130
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 7: asked him to get out and bootleg or move the pocket,

2131
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 7: that was just that was just a rollout. That wasn't

2132
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 7: a true boot it was just a one roll out.

2133
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 1: But in that case, he just threw it right to

2134
01:36:58,520 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 1: do so.

2135
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 6: You have to throw the ball to the outside, not

2136
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 6: the inside.

2137
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 7: I hear you, guys. I just I don't want it

2138
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 7: in the.

2139
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:09,719
Speaker 1: Good good pass and catch socle Zappi down the middle.

2140
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 6: I mean, you know what they say that Zappy SoCal

2141
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:15,640
Speaker 6: connection is.

2142
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Zappi comes in a Montana spark.

2143
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 5: You can't stop it.

2144
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 1: It's a little spark plug that kid.

2145
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2146
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:28,759
Speaker 6: I think that's why Mac was as upset with himself

2147
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 6: as he was, because I think that's one of those

2148
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 6: that brain part. He's gonna watch the film and they're

2149
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 6: gonna say, Mac, we've talked about this.

2150
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 7: I know, I know, take every single thing that gets

2151
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 7: him outside the pocket, rollouts, bootlegs, throw it in the

2152
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 7: trash can and burn it. It's not his game.

2153
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 5: I agree with you one hundred percent past breakup by.

2154
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:51,479
Speaker 6: I'm sorry for that. I'm though I don't mean to

2155
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 6: agree with you. I know it draws the it draws

2156
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 6: the ire of some.

2157
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 5: It's not becoming.

2158
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,639
Speaker 1: That last play. Zappy had to pump it once say

2159
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 1: he wasn't decisive with them.

2160
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:08,439
Speaker 6: On coverage by to got the hand in there, score

2161
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 6: more with four.

2162
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 1: That's that's what they're saying, Yeah.

2163
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:15,680
Speaker 5: Fred Kurs, I don't that's not as good as the

2164
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 5: hell though.

2165
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 6: Oh they can't all be winners.

2166
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:29,440
Speaker 5: Oh stepped up, step received, but you will receive.

2167
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Speaker 6: Total consciousness, no credit amount on the original step up

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01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 6: was nice, but then he hid in the banged to

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Speaker 6: one of his line.

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Speaker 1: Not sure if he didn't go over the line of

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01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:40,520
Speaker 1: scrimmage there, So direction.

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Speaker 6: Time you think?

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Speaker 5: So do you think our friends down on the burn

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Speaker 5: mound are they? Are we coming out of today with

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01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 5: a there might be a quarterback competition headline? Is that

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01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 5: what that they're going to be saying?

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Speaker 6: Oh? Interesting?

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Speaker 5: You know it's interesting.

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Speaker 7: The frustrating part and for me is board up until

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01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:02,040
Speaker 7: up until the interception that he just threw to Dugger,

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01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 7: which was not a good decision. I thought that that

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01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 7: was like the best stretch of team that.

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01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:08,639
Speaker 6: Back has had.

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Speaker 7: I do agree, like even going all the way back

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01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 7: to the spring. So I was ready to be like, oh,

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01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 7: you know what, that was a step forward for the

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01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:17,000
Speaker 7: offense today. You know that looked a lot smoother like

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01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 7: that touchdown past the juju that is exactly how it's

2189
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 7: drawn up on the highteboard. That was good as hell.

2190
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,840
Speaker 7: And then they was a pick like it's just like

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01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 7: two steps forward, one step back, and that that's frustrating.

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Speaker 6: It is so ZAPPI just gave the guy we were

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01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 6: just talking about Heard a chance to make a play

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01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 6: back shoulder ish a little bit. Throw was a little

2195
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 6: behind him. Thought he could have come down with it

2196
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 6: though when he.

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01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 5: Didn't, is that I think Brodney Randall and covers.

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01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 6: This well, which you know it's tough to shake. Yeah,

2199
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 6: are squared.

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01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 1: Square back to the end zone.

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Speaker 5: Oh he's quick though, man, I mean, terrible.

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01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:58,560
Speaker 1: Defense, but you got to catch the ball. But the

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01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 1: good closing speed there. And forty three?

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01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 5: Who's forty three, big Calvin Munson, Yeah, yeah, I don't

2205
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:04,720
Speaker 5: think it's forty three.

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01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 6: I think it's thirteen.

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01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Jack Jones, Okay, I don't know.

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01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:13,599
Speaker 5: I mean I I liked I liked how Heard looked

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01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 5: out of the break on that one though. For a

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01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 5: big guy, he threw the brakes on and away.

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01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:20,599
Speaker 6: I mean you could see he was a running back.

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01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,680
Speaker 6: I mean you can see, like how how quick is

2213
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 6: he he's he's very smooth for a guy that size.

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01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 6: He runs really well.

2215
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 5: He's just got to make a play or else it's

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01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 5: gonna be over for him before it begins. Go Zappie again,

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01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 5: Rally Webb.

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01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 6: Making it look easy. I don't know about easy as Pepper,

2219
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 6: but that was my points as Pepper's puts the fist

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01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:48,720
Speaker 6: up for fourth down. I'm not sure anybody touched him

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01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:49,679
Speaker 6: before he got in the end zone.

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01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 5: But I do wonder though, with you know, everybody talking

2223
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 5: about Devin mccorty, how they're gonna replace him. I mean,

2224
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 5: it seems pretty straightforward what they're gonna do. They're gonna

2225
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,920
Speaker 5: play three safety and you know, I just don't know

2226
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:04,840
Speaker 5: if they're gonna play all of them at once a

2227
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:08,320
Speaker 5: lot or ken one of the fourth guys be it

2228
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,519
Speaker 5: Mapu Bledsoe Mills. Can one of those guys break into

2229
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:15,600
Speaker 5: the rotation and actually, you know, develop a set of

2230
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 5: you know, a package that fits them or you know

2231
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 5: works that.

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01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, so that's an RPO. Yeah, so you had to

2233
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 7: run play with the screen attached. Now what I and

2234
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 7: you know, Bill O'Brien so far has is like a

2235
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 7: plus plus. Like everything they're doing I love what they're doing.

2236
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 7: What I'm waiting for is the downfield routes off of it, right, Like,

2237
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:38,760
Speaker 7: the screens are cool, but like, can we hit like

2238
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 7: a five step slant so that we can so that

2239
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 7: Matt can hit Juju on the run and then all

2240
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:46,679
Speaker 7: of a sudden that five yard slant becomes a twenty

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01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,640
Speaker 7: five yard slant right game, Those are the Those are

2242
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:51,600
Speaker 7: the types of things that I am looking for. They

2243
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 7: did the screen stuff a little bit last year, Like

2244
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:54,920
Speaker 7: we can say what we want about Matt Patricia, but

2245
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:56,840
Speaker 7: last year they had a little bit of that in

2246
01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 7: their bag. This year they need to get to that

2247
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 7: next step of throwing down the field off the RPOs.

2248
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 5: What's funny is that, you know, you notice a lot

2249
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 5: of the the highlights that you see from other teams

2250
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 5: putting out there, Like the Jets, they're doing a lot

2251
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:08,880
Speaker 5: of middle of field stuff, so there's a lot of

2252
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 5: chance for downfield plays, big plays, exciting highlights. And when

2253
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:14,760
Speaker 5: you start in the red zone, it's really you know,

2254
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:17,719
Speaker 5: tight windows can test the catches. It's not as sexy,

2255
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 5: you know, the highlights aren't as sexy in the right

2256
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 5: you just got to the core of why they start

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01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 5: in the red zone, right exactly, that's where it's hard.

2258
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 7: Yesterday they had a Jets clip as Trace McSorley is

2259
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:31,240
Speaker 7: is quarterbacking right now as some of the backup side

2260
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:34,759
Speaker 7: of a Sauce Gardener going up against Garret Wilson in practice.

2261
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just like man must TV right.

2262
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 7: Like I don't care about Aaron Rodgers, but like the

2263
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 7: fact that that team has those two guys for the

2264
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:45,639
Speaker 7: next ten years, is that's what you want, Like, that's

2265
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 7: what that's what you want, Like a a stud young

2266
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:51,160
Speaker 7: receiver against the stud young corner. Like if they had

2267
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:53,640
Speaker 7: a receiver like that here, that Christian Gonzalez.

2268
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 5: Could just go to toe to toe with what they

2269
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,680
Speaker 5: do well, it's like when good players go against each other,

2270
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:00,320
Speaker 5: it's like good they make each other better, right.

2271
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 7: Clip That was Robert Salas. What Robert Salas said was

2272
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,599
Speaker 7: was exactly that that they're gonna those two guys are

2273
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 7: going to make each other great, you know, going up against.

2274
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 5: Each other in practice greatness makes we're gonna be ready

2275
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:13,360
Speaker 5: to produce something.

2276
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 6: Field goals here to close it out and looks like

2277
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 6: closing it as we predicted. Oh yeah, we're at We're overtime.

2278
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 5: All right, I could sit here.

2279
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 6: All day, really practica start till nine forty eleven fifteen

2280
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 6: according to the schedule.

2281
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 1: Oh really? Okay?

2282
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:28,160
Speaker 5: All right, so today's Ryland's turning.

2283
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 6: Where's teatrich twice?

2284
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 5: Whe's t wise when you need to see him?

2285
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 6: Not good?

2286
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 5: Did anyone tap them up?

2287
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2288
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 5: So this is twenty thirty seven thirty three.

2289
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 1: Thirty three yard line snap ball down, kick us up

2290
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:57,080
Speaker 1: and true and good.

2291
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:02,120
Speaker 7: I think the Twitter versus freaking now about mac Jones's

2292
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 7: start the camp and uh, you know the fact that

2293
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 7: two days in a row to Kyle Duggar interception, This

2294
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:09,920
Speaker 7: is all all our fault.

2295
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, this is the incessant need to chart

2296
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 6: and record every play leads to this kind of stuff.

2297
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 7: Couldn't agree more.

2298
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 6: Look at me defending mac Jones. It's who the fuck

2299
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:25,200
Speaker 6: it the problem?

2300
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 7: The part that I get frustrated about, not to go

2301
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 7: all all nuclear on my colleagues, but it's the lack

2302
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 7: of context, right, It's like, okay, so he went one

2303
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 7: for three in a seven on seven red zone period.

2304
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:39,320
Speaker 7: All three throws were high point fades in the back

2305
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:41,840
Speaker 7: of the end zone to the tight end, Like there's

2306
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 7: no space like there there's nobody open, like really open open,

2307
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:48,280
Speaker 7: Like let's just let's wait till they get in between

2308
01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 7: the twenties, Like if it still doesn't, if there's still

2309
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:53,280
Speaker 7: nobody to throw to and it's still a struggle to

2310
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:56,680
Speaker 7: complete passes once they have some space to operate in, Like,

2311
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,599
Speaker 7: then I'm with you that maybe it start to time

2312
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 7: to to get a little bit worried. But to get

2313
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 7: worried because it's you know, MIKEASICKI is is battling Kyle

2314
01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:07,560
Speaker 7: Dugger in the back of the end zone and the

2315
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:10,400
Speaker 7: past falls incomplete. I just I can't get all that

2316
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:12,320
Speaker 7: that concerned about stuff like that.

2317
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 5: I mean, I still feel better about this offense right

2318
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:16,920
Speaker 5: now then I feel like I was feeling in camp.

2319
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 5: Not to say that I feel great or then I'm

2320
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 5: overly optimistic, but it just it looks like they've got

2321
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 5: a plan. It looks like they know what they're doing.

2322
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 5: And you know, it's not quite clicking on all cylinders yet.

2323
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 5: But what offense is clicking on all cylinders in day

2324
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 5: to a training camp without pat did see City sow

2325
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:37,840
Speaker 5: get a little bit of work? Sorry City? So do

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01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 5: we ever get do we ever fear that one out.

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01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:39,880
Speaker 12: I got to get them.

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01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:40,439
Speaker 6: It's so.

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01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:43,960
Speaker 5: With city. So so he got he got some some

2330
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 5: right tackle reps there down near the end. So working

2331
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:51,800
Speaker 5: in it is a little bit surprising. But with s Yeah, yeah,

2332
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:53,759
Speaker 5: that's three. That's a little.

2333
01:45:55,080 --> 01:46:00,120
Speaker 1: A little different right now, the three quarterbacks with Bill o'brown, I.

2334
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 5: Looks like a Rylin hit that one too.

2335
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:09,560
Speaker 1: All right, well listen, that's gonna be it for this

2336
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 1: edition of Patriots Unfiltered Special live coverage from training camp.

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01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:19,520
Speaker 1: We're going to be back tomorrow on Friday with another practice.

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Speaker 1: Uh same time tomorrow, is that? What's what's the practice

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Speaker 1: time tomorrow?

2340
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 5: It seems like same battime, scene batchand.

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Speaker 1: So check us out around nine thirty tomorrow we'll be live.

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