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Speaker 1: Longtime New York Daily News columnist Around the Horn PTI.

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Speaker 1: this for a long time. And what I always liked

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Speaker 1: about Frank is he'll push back on James Dolan, He'll

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Speaker 1: push back on stars. He's not a sick of fan.

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Speaker 1: He's not a fan boy. There's no palm Palm waven.

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Speaker 1: So many people in the media are terrorified to call

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Speaker 1: out stars and owners and gms, and Isola's not. That's

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Speaker 1: why I like him. By the way, off the Russell

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Speaker 1: with that, let's bring on Frank Isola. So you've never

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Speaker 1: been an ass kiss you go after people. You went

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Speaker 1: after Dolan. I think they've banned you from time to time.

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Speaker 1: It's it's you have a like a real relationship that

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Speaker 1: a journalist should have for an incompetent owner. And at

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Speaker 1: some point in the last year, despite James Dolan, this

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Speaker 1: thing popped. When was the moment, the move or the person, Frank,

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Speaker 1: where this all started? And even you, a critic, said

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Speaker 1: all right, that's a good move. All right, we're getting somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Was it just the TIBs higher? I think that has

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Speaker 1: Leon Rose, the president, he goes back with Tom Tiboteau

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Speaker 1: for thirty years and worldwide West William Wesley was technically

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Speaker 1: representing Tom. So even though they interviewed a lot of

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Speaker 1: candidates for the job, it seemed like it was about

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Speaker 1: twenty guys. Maybe it was more like ten. But you know,

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Speaker 1: Tom had been an assistant coach under Jeff Van Gundy.

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Speaker 1: And you look at the job that Tom had done

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Speaker 1: a guy as a development guy. Colin, you can go

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Speaker 1: all the way back to Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant as

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Speaker 1: a high school kid used to come up to Sixers practice.

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Speaker 1: I think back then they were practicing at Saint Joe's.

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Speaker 1: Tom back then was an assistant coach with the Sixers.

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Speaker 1: Kobe would work out and Tom Tiboteau would be there.

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Speaker 1: so Tom would work with him. Kobe, the three of

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Speaker 1: us were together. Myself, how about this for a name

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Speaker 1: dropping myself, Kobe and Tom Thibodeau. I did like an

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Speaker 1: event for Kobe. I think they asked about a hundred people.

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Speaker 1: They all declined. Then they finally came back to me

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Speaker 1: but just listening to Kobe talk about how much Tom

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Speaker 1: Star team. Karl Anthony town Is a good player, didn't

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Speaker 1: most improved Player. So here's the thing, Colin players want

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Speaker 1: to get paid. And that's how a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: interesting because my theory on Tibbs has always been he

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Speaker 1: demands more of his players and it works in the

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Speaker 1: regular season because Mike Dunleavy told me this years ago.

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Speaker 1: I've said this a million times. Dunlevy said, I can

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Speaker 1: But then I always feel with Tibbs is once you

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Speaker 1: the reincarnation of Derrick Rose is fascinating. I said this

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, the Garden's nuts. Frank,

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Speaker 1: business have become a little gunshot. I think that's very

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Speaker 1: true of people that cover these teams because the currency

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Speaker 1: for the players is access. So there's a little bit

427
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Speaker 1: of a threat. You want to mess with me, you'll

428
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Speaker 1: see what happened. So I think the job in the

429
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Speaker 1: media has changed a little bit where a lot of

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Speaker 1: the people are a little too concerned about access. I

431
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Speaker 1: think if you tell the truth and you're not taking

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Speaker 1: cheap shots at people, if you could stand by what

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Speaker 1: you said or what you've written, then you know, to me,

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Speaker 1: that's good enough. That's gonna make some guys hang because

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Speaker 1: guess what, Colin, if you're doing your job, there's going

436
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Speaker 1: to be people upset with you. That. Somebody told me

437
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Speaker 1: that when I was covering the Mets a million years ago.

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Speaker 1: He said, if everybody's happy with the work you're doing,

439
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Speaker 1: you're probably not doing a good job. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: if they do lose, Let's say they get to the

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Speaker 1: finals and they lose to a Vogel or if they

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Speaker 1: lost to a Doc Rivers, I do think there's an out.

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Speaker 1: The out is well, I mean, Steve Nash come on.

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Speaker 1: He's over his skis a little. I don't know he

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Speaker 1: is over his skis. I know Steve, and I think

446
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Speaker 1: he's really bright, but he is a first year head coach.

447
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Speaker 1: And if you're going up against Doc and Budenholzer, and

448
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Speaker 1: you know, I doubt Spoilster at this point, but Spoilster

449
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Speaker 1: or Frank Vogel or Quinn Snyder, these are really high

450
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Speaker 1: end coaches. Do you are you concerned at all that

451
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Speaker 1: Nash is a newbie and he's just not ready for

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Speaker 1: the biggest room yet. Yeah, I mean you have to

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Speaker 1: think about it. For him to leave your neck of

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Speaker 1: the woods to come to Brooklyn in the dead of

455
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Speaker 1: winter to coach a team, you know, he's got a

456
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Speaker 1: pretty good thing going on in Manhattan. Beach, I would

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Speaker 1: say this about Steve Nash. There was a moment this year, Colin,

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Speaker 1: besides the fact that they used I think it was

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Speaker 1: thirty eight different starting lineups during the regular season. Now,

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Speaker 1: what helps that most of the time you're going to

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Speaker 1: pencil in one of those guys. But he did mix

462
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Speaker 1: and match a lot of different guys. They had a

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Speaker 1: game in January where they played the Detroit Pistons and

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Speaker 1: they had not been playing well defensively and in that

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Speaker 1: game they completely fell apart. After the game, Steve called

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Speaker 1: the team out. And he might have been less than

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Speaker 1: twenty games into his career, and you know how it works.

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Speaker 1: You got to pick your spots. Is if you're going

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Speaker 1: to be the kind of guy that calls out the

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Speaker 1: players all the time, it's gonna lose its impact. They're

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Speaker 1: going to tune you out, so to speak. The fact

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Speaker 1: that that early in his career he called them out

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Speaker 1: and really ever since that moment, a lot of things

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Speaker 1: have changed for the team. Now. Do I think it

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Speaker 1: helps that he had the relationship with Kevin Durant in

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Speaker 1: Golden State, so you have the support of the number

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Speaker 1: one guy on the team. Absolutely, But I do think

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Speaker 1: with Mike D'Antoni on the bench, Imai Adoka, who has

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Speaker 1: been in a lot of organizations, including the San Antonio Spurs,

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Speaker 1: Jack Bone, who's been a head coach in the league's

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Speaker 1: with the San Antonio Spurs, I think those guys, I

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Speaker 1: think he's got a good support group. We will see, though,

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Speaker 1: because you're right, let's get to a close game and

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Speaker 1: it might not happen against the Boston Celtics. Let's see

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Speaker 1: what happens in a close game with the Brooklyn Nets,

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Speaker 1: not just how Steve reacts to it. Because they've been

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Speaker 1: a couple of games with timeouts, he's still kind of

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Speaker 1: learning on the fly. But how will the team respond.

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Speaker 1: Who's going to be the guy that's going to take

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Speaker 1: the big shot, who's gonna want the ball in his hands?

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Speaker 1: We really haven't seen it from this group. To me,

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Speaker 1: they've done just about everything except for that. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think obviously if you get k D Harden, Kyrie

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Speaker 1: lebron A d in the finals, it's a win for

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Speaker 1: the league. But it's an interesting conflict. Adam Silver, it's

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Speaker 1: not great if three stars play together. Rarely three stars.

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Speaker 1: One forces his way out of a team. There's really

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Speaker 1: no chemistry. Rookie coach former player and win the championship.

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Speaker 1: The messaging to players is shit, man, what am I

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Speaker 1: doing here? And I'll say this because I'm I wasn't

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Speaker 1: totally bothered by load management, but I grew up in

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Speaker 1: a small town Frank so I could only afford to

503
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Speaker 1: go to one NBA game a year with the Sonics.

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Speaker 1: If I'd have shown up in Gus Williams wasn't playing

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Speaker 1: in Freddie Downtown. Freddy Brown wasn't playing like that ruins

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Speaker 1: it for a little kid. And the Clippers losing last

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Speaker 1: year was a middle finger at load management. It was

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Speaker 1: that shit, don't play, you gotta create chemistry silently. I

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Speaker 1: think Adam Silver like that, yep, because load management was

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Speaker 1: becoming it was kind of it started having momentum with players,

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Speaker 1: and then the chemistry failure and the Clippers put an

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Speaker 1: end to it. But do you think there's a small

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Speaker 1: part of Adam Silver that is concerned that if three

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Speaker 1: stars meet one forces way out of Houston, they win

515
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Speaker 1: the championship. A lot of these star players are like,

516
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Speaker 1: get me out of Minnesota, get me out of Memphis,

517
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Speaker 1: get me out of New Orleans. I know. That's why

518
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Speaker 1: it's hard not to root for guys like Damian Lillard,

519
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Speaker 1: who's a great player and right now is in Portland.

520
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Speaker 1: And obviously janis into a Kumbo who was an unbelievable guy,

521
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Speaker 1: unbelievable worker, and he decided that listen, they're not doing

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Speaker 1: it for free. I'm not trying to sit here and

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Speaker 1: tell you they're doing charity work. They got a ton

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Speaker 1: of money. But that was actually nice to see, you know,

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Speaker 1: the one thing about these guys coming together, Like you said,

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Speaker 1: I don't like the way, especially hard and forcing his

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Speaker 1: way out. But similar to what Kawhi Leonard did when

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Speaker 1: he left Toronto and he was a free agent. But

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Speaker 1: the whole thing with player empowerment and everyone, you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people all it's so great that the

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Speaker 1: players are taking ownership of their careers and things like that. Yeah,

532
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Speaker 1: because there's no downside. When things fell apart for the Clippers,

533
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Speaker 1: Doc Rivers got fired, not Kawhi Leonard who said trade

534
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Speaker 1: this guy, this guy, this guy, all these draft picks

535
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Speaker 1: because we need to get Paul George. So when Paul

536
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Speaker 1: George didn't come through the whole thing with player empowerment,

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00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: Doc Rivers, they all said, it's your fault. Doc. So

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Speaker 1: you know you were talking about Steve Nash that in

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways will be the easy out for

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Speaker 1: the players. Well, hey, I've been to the finals before

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Speaker 1: and I won. Steve Nash never went to the finals

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Speaker 1: as a player, and this is his first year as

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Speaker 1: a coach, so don't really put it on us. We

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Speaker 1: obviously have the talent here and I think that's part

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Speaker 1: of it. And that's why, you know, it's funny with football.

546
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady went to Tampa, but maybe because of his age.

547
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Speaker 1: I still don't think that's going to be a new

548
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Speaker 1: the dawn of a new era in the NFL where

549
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Speaker 1: guys are going to start moving around. But it's a

550
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Speaker 1: problem in the NBA. But guess what. Blame the fans

551
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Speaker 1: playing the media, because we were the ones that told

552
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Speaker 1: Reggie Miller and Patrick Ewing and stocked in him alone

553
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Speaker 1: and Charles Barker, you're a loser because you didn't win

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Speaker 1: a championship. So now the players are right, all right,

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Speaker 1: this is what you to be called a winner. I

556
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Speaker 1: gotta win. So Kevin Durrant goes and joins the Golden

557
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Speaker 1: State Wars. Lebron arranges it so he goes to Miami

558
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Speaker 1: with the group that he has. So here we are

559
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Speaker 1: in this whole generation of forming teams in trying to

560
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Speaker 1: win championships. You know, it's on a macro level. Frank,

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Speaker 1: I like the NBA. Grew up with it. I grew

562
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Speaker 1: up with the Sonics and the Blazers, so I like

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Speaker 1: the NBA and always have. I'm more of a football guy,

564
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Speaker 1: but I have a strong loyalty to the NBA. I

565
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Speaker 1: like watching the games. Yep. The ratings last two years.

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Speaker 1: Ethan Straust and I talked about this. Ratings last two years,

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Speaker 1: they've lost about thirty percent. Now, Mark Cuban and I

568
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: on emails went back and forth, and you know, he's like, listen,

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Speaker 1: we don't have we don't have many needle movers meter movers.

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Speaker 1: He goes, we got steph we got Lebron, we got

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Speaker 1: Durant And last year there were a lot of injuries,

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Speaker 1: and people blame that. Well, this year regular season ratings

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Speaker 1: are down. Some have said they were a little heavy

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Speaker 1: handed with BLM. It wasn't just Black Lives Matter, it

575
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Speaker 1: was the constant narrative interviews. I think there's there are

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Speaker 1: people out there that maybe we're turned off by that.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't like with the oscars and

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Speaker 1: with the NBA. They don't like politics for their sports.

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Speaker 1: You can't. I mean, listen, you just can't deny it.

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Speaker 1: There are people that just se sports. I don't, but

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Speaker 1: they see it as escapism. Other people say, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: NBA fans are younger, they're on their phones, they don't

583
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Speaker 1: watch TV, they are younger. But the average NBA fan,

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Speaker 1: I think the demos are forty four not twenty four?

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Speaker 1: Are you concerned at all when you hear about the ratings?

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Speaker 1: You know, the game esthetically sometimes can be very repetitive.

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Speaker 1: Three three three three. I miss the back to the

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Speaker 1: basket center. I missed the layering. I love Zion's game.

589
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: I like Julius Randolds game. I like Chris Ball's game.

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Speaker 1: If I said, Frank, solve the NBA ratings riddle, do

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Speaker 1: you have one or two tweaks you would do, or

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Speaker 1: one or two things that concern you? Well, I do

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Speaker 1: think that the season being eighty two games, maybe in

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Speaker 1: a world where everything seems to downsize a little bit,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's something they really should like look into. I

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Speaker 1: don't think they will. I think it'll be eighty two games.

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Speaker 1: But I think when you watch these games. I always

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Speaker 1: say this about soccer, and I enjoy the sport. I

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Speaker 1: like watching it at the Premier League, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: the international competitions. I love all that stuff. You can

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Speaker 1: watch the worst soccer game or the best soccer game

602
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Speaker 1: and it's going to be a two hour deal. And

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Speaker 1: I think there is something to be said to that football.

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Speaker 1: You can get away with it because for the most part,

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Speaker 1: it's once a week, and you know, it's not like

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Speaker 1: they're telling all right, tomorrow, I'm gonna watch my team

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Speaker 1: again play. And I think for the NBA sometimes these

608
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: games running two, twenty two, twenty five, and they're reviewing everything.

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Speaker 1: Every time the book was out of bounce the least

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Speaker 1: two minute colin. Everyone is going like this with their

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Speaker 1: finger review it, and then it becomes a little too

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Speaker 1: much of that and the game moves too slow. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how you're going to fix the three point shooting.

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00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: To me, the genies out of the bottle. We're gonna

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00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: tell teams you can't shoot threason to the last five

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Speaker 1: minutes of everyone. I have a theory on the yet

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Speaker 1: my theory has been on the three. You take away

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Speaker 1: the corner three. Yeah, they're like, yeah, because that's the

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Speaker 1: easiest one. So what you do is the three point

620
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: arc about five feet from the baseline goes into the bench.

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Speaker 1: Yea one. You allow bigs to stay around the basket

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Speaker 1: a little bit right instead of you know, because right now,

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Speaker 1: without the hand check, you cannot stay in front of

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Speaker 1: any of these guards. It's insane. So you take out

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Speaker 1: the corner three, big stay closer to the basket. You

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Speaker 1: don't get point guards don't get this layup. Secondly, it's

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Speaker 1: it now the angle three is better defended because we

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Speaker 1: don't have to defend the corner three. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: the three still exists analytically, it's still a math equation,

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Speaker 1: but the numbers paired down, so the game has What

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Speaker 1: I worry about is the only way to succeed now

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Speaker 1: baseball with analytics two home runs or strikeouts. I worry

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Speaker 1: that basketball the only way to win mathematically is the three.

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Speaker 1: So that what do you make of my theory? I

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Speaker 1: like it. And you know, the one thing about you

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Speaker 1: think about when we were first coming up watching basketball,

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Speaker 1: if a guy was a three point shooter, whether it

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Speaker 1: was Dale Ellis or Ricky Pierce or Craig Hodges, they

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Speaker 1: were almost like a freak. They were bringing them in

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Speaker 1: and maybe they would shoot like two or three games one. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: they were. They were a specialist. Now, like you, everybody

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Speaker 1: has to be shooting threes. I think it's something that

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Speaker 1: would be worth looking into because obviously the highest percentage

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Speaker 1: three is a one from the corner because it's the

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Speaker 1: shortest one, and that's where that's how you could spread

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Speaker 1: the court. I like that. Oh one other one I

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Speaker 1: got for you A little tweak overtime during the regular season,

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Speaker 1: I would make it either two minutes or three minutes.

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Speaker 1: The game ends, you could take a thirty second time

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Speaker 1: out and get let's get out there and play. Either

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Speaker 1: play to seven or have a two or three minute

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Speaker 1: There's nothing worse than sitting through an NBA game. Like

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Speaker 1: let's say I'm on the road, I'm Memphis, and I

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Speaker 1: take the Lakers. I hit a last second shot to

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Speaker 1: go to overtime, We go to commercials for three minutes.

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Speaker 1: We come back, and now I got to beat them

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Speaker 1: for five minutes. I tied them for forty eight. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I get to the playoffs, make it five minutes. I

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Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that. But in the regular season,

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Speaker 1: you know, make it two minutes. Maybe it would think

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Speaker 1: about how competitive a game ends. The fans would be

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Speaker 1: staying because either the game ended on a got tied

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Speaker 1: on a last second shot or a miss. Have a

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Speaker 1: quick thirty second time out, get them out there. Reward

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Speaker 1: the most conditioned team in play like two. Can you

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Speaker 1: imagine what those possessions would be like if you throw

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Speaker 1: the ball up and now you're in the final two

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Speaker 1: minutes of overtime. That would be intense for the regular season.

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Speaker 1: That was very good, Frank, you ended on a very

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Speaker 1: strong note. You're my Mariano Rivera. You came in the

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Speaker 1: clothes very strong. It's great talking to you again. I

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Speaker 1: don't get to see you as much now because I'm

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Speaker 1: at the other place, but you know, I think you're great. Um,

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Speaker 1: I watch it constantly, and uh, you know, I got

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Speaker 1: this little podcast network. If you're ever just sitting there

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Speaker 1: out in the beach, you know we're we're in the

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Speaker 1: hiring process. Baby. If I if I drop your name

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Speaker 1: at the restaurant, do I get like a herdburgertato chip

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Speaker 1: thrown at me? What do I get? They give me

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Speaker 1: ice water or how's that going to work? We have

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Speaker 1: boozy milkshakes. I like comars the beach. It's very very

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Speaker 1: nice periods. You have Mexican food there. I know it's

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Speaker 1: a burger place, but well, yeah, we have George Lopez

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Speaker 1: and I are business partners. Sir George has his Mexican food.

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Speaker 1: Look at you name dropping. I gave you Kobe Bryant early.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty good. You're hanging the Hollywood crowd. You said

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Speaker 1: you would never change. Look at you and totally changed.

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Speaker 1: Great seeing you, man, good seeing you. I get jealous

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Speaker 1: when I see your tweets with you with your feet

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Speaker 1: up in Manhattan being wherever you are out there. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: on all your success. That's all right, all right at

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Speaker 1: the Volume Sports on Twitter and Instagram. Please subscribe, rate, review,

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Speaker 1: and subscribe. I thought Frank I sold it today was

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Speaker 1: so good. I've known Frank for a long time and

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Speaker 1: he's just so good. He's so smart, he's so connected.

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Speaker 1: You know what's great right now with our podcast network

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Speaker 1: is when I put this puppy together, I thought a

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Speaker 1: lot about football, basketball. Those weren't the only sports, but

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Speaker 1: I was seeking personalities, and right now we have Jenkins

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Speaker 1: and Jones. I just had Nick right on Frank Isla.

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Speaker 1: We are going to make another announcement next week for

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Speaker 1: somebody who I really like and they cover multiple sports.

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Speaker 1: He'll be joining The Volume. You can hunt around, you

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Speaker 1: can guess, you can tweet us with your predictions, but

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Speaker 1: we just hired somebody else, and you're not gonna believe.

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Speaker 1: Not only did we hire somebody else. I've always thought

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Speaker 1: the SEC is underserved. I know you think to yourself, Colin,

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Speaker 1: that's all people talk about in college football. I think

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Speaker 1: Southern college football fans it's like the English Premier League.

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Speaker 1: You have European soccer, but the English Premier League is deeper,

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Speaker 1: more passionate. I'm gonna go find somebody in the South

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Speaker 1: and put him on the volume and do a college

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Speaker 1: football podcast. And I think I have just found somebody.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not telling you right now. So when I

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Speaker 1: do announce it, all announce it on my podcast and

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Speaker 1: give you a little heads up. But it's just going

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Speaker 1: to be all SEC football. That's what it's going to be,

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Speaker 1: all SEC football. This guy is great, he's got you've

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Speaker 1: heard of him, he knows his ship, he can be critical.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited right now, a sort of God. Have

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Speaker 1: a great weekend. I want to hang out with my

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Speaker 1: kids in Park City, Utah. We'll drop a Monday podcast

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Speaker 1: as well. Enjoy the NBA talk soon the Volume