WEBVTT - One of the Good Guys with Sam Jaeger 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:06.440 Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ. Today, 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.399 we are talking to one of the biggest stars of 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:15.120 one of the biggest and all time greatest whose series. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.079 And it's one of the only shows that TJ and 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:20.680 I don't watch together. 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:21.439 Why is that? 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:23.320 Uh, you know what? I don't know? 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:25.840 And I am so curious to hear what he thinks 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:30.560 about this, because, for whatever reason, it just naturally I 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:34.440 didn't gravitate towards this show. I respect it, I loved 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.720 the actors in it. Not Why did I not? 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:39.239 I really don't know. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.800 I think it's because men are pretty dang evil. Most 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:46.800 of the men are like, ridiculously evil in this series. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.400 Can I tell you how that could be intimidating to men. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.960 I didn't know the plot of the show until recently. 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.480 You broke it all down for me, and I said, oh, 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:54.920 that's it. 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.920 Elizabeth moss Is is this star this show? Of course, 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.880 we're talking about the Second Tale. And you've watched a 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:02.800 lot of things that she's in. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:06.360 You like her, you love her. You watch things when 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.600 you see an actor or an actress that you respect, 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.360 but you never I don't know we're drawn into this. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.880 But you've gotten me on board now and I can't 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:15.560 wait to watch. But we're talking to one of the 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:16.600 few good guys on the show. 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.440 You this this is fun. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.479 Actually, So this is the final season for any fan 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:23.080 out there, you know, this season six, the final season 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.440 of The Handmaid's Tale. I've watched every single episode religiously. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.720 And our next guest was started on season two and 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.760 he was a recurring character. But you know what, it's 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:35.800 got to be such a huge compliment when you're a 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.279 you're a recurring character, and you're so good that people 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:44.479 want more that you then become a main character seasons four, 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:46.959 five and now season six. 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.720 So I think maybe people can piece together. 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:54.400 We want to welcome the amazing and talented Sam Jager 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:58.880 aka Mark, one of the good guys of The Handmaid's Tale, 0:01:58.960 --> 0:01:59.840 to the podcast. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:01.200 Thanks for being with me. 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.600 And let's say congratulate. That's a hell of a compliment. Really, 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.480 she explained, that's a hell of a compliment, an incredible setup. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.640 Can you set me up for every interview I do 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:11.399 for the rest. 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.280 Of my life unless you hide girl, I'd be happy 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.560 to but no huge fan and seriously, I was actually 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.720 so curious as an actor and even maybe as a 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.880 human when you're on a show that truly is about, 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.760 perhaps even a cautionary tale of what evil and power 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:30.240 and misogyny can do to a society, to. 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.280 Play literally one of the only guys who isn't evil 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.200 or a rapist, or you name any horrible thing you 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:39.800 can think of about what the worst thing a man 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:41.880 could do, and you're one of the good guys. 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:43.000 What's that feel like? 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.600 You know what's so funny is I'm still like, for 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:51.200 the first few seasons I was on this, people were 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.440 still like, I don't know about this Mark guy. 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:55.600 What's his. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.880 And I think because they've been so maybe scarred for 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:07.200 so many horrific antagonists on our show being white men, 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.320 I think they were like, oh man, this guy's going 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:13.080 to turn on everybody. And while he is very political, 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.560 I think that's what you know. They people don't know 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.120 where he stood for a long time, and hopefully by 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.360 this final season they know that Mark is truly a 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.959 guy who's trying to save what's left a democracy in 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.280 this horrific landscape. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.240 So you said, people are still trying to figure it out, 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.640 But what was the turn? Is there anything you would 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.320 point to as a turning point or maybe even an 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:37.960 episode people really reacted to. 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:39.160 What was the turning point? 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.400 Do you think where maybe the writers the producer saw 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.240 more in you or was it always expected that you 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:46.800 were going to take on a larger role. 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.400 I think I think they just kept bringing me back 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.720 because they liked the chemistry I had with Yvonne, and 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.680 it was an interesting side that we didn't get to 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.480 see from her. You know, her character, Serena plays this 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:05.080 kind of matriarch within Gilead, which is this you know, 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:12.800 government that's religiously you know, kind of centered that has 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:18.480 taken over the United States and now most of North America. 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:22.960 And so it's one of those storylines that they thought, oh, 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.200 we can see a little more humanity in this woman 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:29.040 who seems so evil and evil. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.920 It's about you, said, matriarch. I was thinking self righteous, 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:37.280 b I d H. And it's true your character made 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.160 us feel something for her because you saw a number 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.960 of goodness in her right. 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:47.040 Well, you know, when I first got this this role, 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.080 I looked back at the only scene that had a 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:54.200 flashback of her, and it showed her before Gilead, and yes, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.680 she was kind of self righteous, but she was also 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:02.680 this powerful feminine in a way and I thought, that's 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.120 that's the woman this character is going to fall in 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.800 love with and try to hold on to who that 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.680 is and still hope for that. And one of the 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.600 things I think Handmaid's Tale has gotten better about is 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.840 the first seasons and throughout it is it can be. 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:23.320 I don't want to say it's hard to watch, because 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:27.360 it's a pretty riveting show, but it's it's visceral, and 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:34.000 it's it's you know, it's pretty gripping and graphic and engaging. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.240 And so I think one of the things that they, 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.480 you know, that we liked in this early, you know, 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:45.359 early on was Mark comes in and he's got this 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:49.320 this compassion and this humanity and this this hope that 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.680 our show I think needed, you know. And here we 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:57.479 are in the final season and we're you know, kind 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:01.280 of congratulating and rewarding our fame for sticking with us 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:06.760 this long because it is. 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.800 It's Sam, because I hadn't thought about that at all, 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.880 but you did offer, like that hope that all men 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:11.480 aren't terrible. 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.200 I mean, there are a couple like Luke. The character 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:13.799 of Luke. 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.600 Is it is it a good guy Nick, even though 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.680 he is with Gilliad, is also a good guy. 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.560 So there are a few of you, but so far, 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:30.120 so few and far between. Yeah, I would say a 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.640 single character on the show is evil. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:34.680 But I hadn't thought about how you were able to 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.240 bring out a warmth to the character of Serena that 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.159 you know, she was the woman that everyone loved to 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.400 hate for the first couple of seasons because she was 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:47.359 just so terrible and so awful. Uh, but you actually 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.240 were Are you one of the few? I guess You've 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.679 got the love story with Nick and Elizabeth Moss's character 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.599 uh in June, but you're kind of the only other 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:01.839 love story really in the entire series, I suppose. 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:05.520 So, yes, yes, And you know what's interesting is the show. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.880 What I loved about that dynamic. The show is written 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:12.480 that these two characters are so protected and so diplomatic 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.239 and love to be the smartest person in every room, 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.560 and I think that's what they're kind of drawn to 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.280 about each other. And so it's kind of almost like 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.800 Victorian writing. You know that these two you can get 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.559 a sense that there's an attraction there, but they don't 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.360 come out and say it. And we kind of keep 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.680 that going throughout our series, which is I think what 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.440 makes it even more intriguing because it's not like Luke 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:42.160 and June or June and you know that we can 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.240 see them, you know, kind of navigate one another. 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:52.960 You'll use words what, riveting, captivating, visceral to describe the show. 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.480 And I'm again I've admitted here I haven't gone through 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.720 the seasons like you have. What is the what is 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.240 the upside the takeaway from the show. Does it leave 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.240 people at some point at the end of the seasons 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.040 with some message or some feeling of hope, Because I'll 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.000 admit Sam so much of what she's explained to me 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.520 like whoa, that's heavy. 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.120 It's fear, it's cautionary, like. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:18.000 Why would watch this? Yeah? Yeah, you know, I think 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.120 one thing I love and one thing I keep trying 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:26.680 to get across as we, you know, share this last 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.760 season with fans is the show I think was vilified 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:35.120 early on as this sort of anti right wing or 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:41.040 anti conservative show, and at its core, it's really people 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:46.600 trying to be compassionate understanding. It's a diverse cast, and 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:52.280 it does show kind of a cautionary tale for what 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:58.520 happens when we try to corral people in a democratic society, 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.880 and so there are a lot of parallels with what's 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:07.520 going on nowadays. But the underlining thing for me growing 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.439 up in you know, I went to church. I sang 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.920 in the church choir from like sixth grade until I 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.800 graduated high school. So that was a part of, you know, 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:21.800 my upbringing in Ohio. And the thing about the main characters, Serena, 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:26.120 although she's very you know, I've spoken about her very 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:32.880 rigid view of faith and God, June is always seeking 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.840 God and trusting and hoping, and that's her faith in 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.079 a higher power. And that's one of the things I 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.360 think has gotten lost over the years and one of 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.800 the things that for me, you know, I keep coming 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.040 back to. It's not trying to look down at people. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.800 It's trying to say, this is if you were in 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.679 this scenario. And this is the great thing about TV. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.480 You can't do this in film is show nuance. In film, 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.720 it's either this guy's a bad guy and that guy's 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.400 a good guy. But we get to see how people 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:04.920 who are you know, who are fallible, still tried to 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.400 make amends. And that's one thing I love exploring with 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.760 our show that I feel like our show does better 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:12.880 than almost any other show. 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.680 Thank you saying that was a bunch much better sales 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:21.839 job than she gave me, and to me, thank you 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:22.200 for that. 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:23.880 Now, okay, but. 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.679 That really was a beautiful way to describe the arc 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.000 of the show as well. I mean, the first season 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:33.760 is just like but then honestly, you came in second 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.200 the second season, and I feel like that did bring 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:36.400 in some. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.520 Of the art. Did you hear how she did it 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:42.720 the first season was that's usually her sales. To me, man, 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:43.679 that's a sales bitch. 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.760 Obviously, you would have had to have watched the first season, 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.760 I would imagine, at least after or at least before 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.120 signing on. What did you think of the first season 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.360 compared to the others when you jumped in. 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.600 I was just so taken, first of all, because it's 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.800 so stylistically dynamic compared to any other show, you know, 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.280 And a lot of times you'll see characters in the 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:17.040 like the bottom corner of a frame and then there's 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.920 a giant window behind them or a giant wall, and 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:23.480 it's just the way it shows all people kind of 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.600 kind of confined by even the frame we're watching them, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.719 and so everything is really just almost set up like 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.600 a painting and so I think that can be That's 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:37.080 the first thing that I noticed about our show. But 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.800 I just feel like they they updated a book that 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:45.600 was written, you know, when I was a kid, and 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.480 it made it present day. It made it, it made 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.560 it more urgent. It made it also feel like this 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.840 could happen to us at any moment. And so I 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:58.560 think that's one of the things that's that's hard for 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.079 people because they keep coming back to, oh this could 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.760 you know, this could happen? Or is this happening? And 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.280 that's always a conversation with our show, and that's also 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.000 you know, the fun thing about our show is that's 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:14.719 a conversation or our writers have with the audience, you know, because. 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:15.000 It's so true. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.040 That's what all of us when we're talking after we watch, 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:18.120 like could that happen here? 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:18.920 Oh my god? 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.320 And for people who don't know specifically who your character is, 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:26.000 you are a representative of the US government that's in 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:30.600 exile because this Gilead, this community has taken over all 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.640 of the United States, where women are property, they have 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.960 no rights, and that's a very broad stroke there, but 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:40.680 you are representing what the US used to be. How 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.000 do you engage in those conversations, because, especially in today's 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.880 political climate, but certainly even when this show began, that's 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:49.920 got to be something that people come up and talk 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:51.680 to you about all the time. 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:52.680 How do you handle that? 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:57.319 Right? Well, you know, I got into I got into 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:02.000 acting because I love, you know, I love understanding people 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.520 that aren't like me. You know, I grew up. My 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:08.280 siblings all do something different. They're all in service, you know, 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.600 one's a nurse, one with a guidance counselor and works 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:16.400 with a church, and ones in an officer. And I'm 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:21.240 always referencing, you know, I always pull from those stories. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.720 And my job is to empathize with people that I 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.559 wouldn't normally empathize with. And you know, if the great 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.720 thing about being an actor is I have to try 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.360 and figure out what compels the other side to make 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:38.720 the choices they do. So while I don't often agree, 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.280 I do understand where things are coming from. As hard 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.800 as it is, it's my job, and I think hopefully 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:47.760 one of the things that we do on our show 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:52.040 is try to offer that conversation with people and show 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.840 what it's like for people that don't look like like 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:00.320 us or have the same you know, religious identity is 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.679 us what it's like on the other side of the fence. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:08.400 I'm curious how that happened your your siblings, right, nurse, guidance, 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.520 counselor officer, I mean literally out there saving the world. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.080 Really tell me I explain those dynamics. Clearly your parents 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:21.080 are doing something extremely right. But how do they all 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.240 up end up there? And here you are. 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:27.120 Well, I'm the baby of the family. 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:31.280 Ah, so you could, you could do. 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:31.920 Whatever you want. 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:40.760 And I was also ignored, you know. I know my 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:45.640 parents just love and we're fascinated and continue to be 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:50.960 fascinated by what makes their children tick. That it's not 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.480 just me that it's you know, although I have kind 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:58.040 of an extraordinary path. They love what my sisters do, 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.520 when my brother does, and they support and have an 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.560 interest in that. And that's one thing that I try 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.320 to carry out with my children. I try to figure 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:10.240 out what they love about living and nurture that. And 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.160 so I'm grateful to my parents. You know, I almost 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.960 I grew up thinking, you know, when I was a 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.680 young actor starting off, I thought, man, you know what, 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:23.120 I'm not tortured enough. All these great actors have all 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:27.400 this background where they had horrific, you know, childhoods with 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:32.040 abusive parents, and I kind of need that. And now 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.280 all these years later, I'm like, no, I don't have 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.200 any baggage. I get to come to something and not 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.760 feel like I need to protect some aspect of my 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.280 personality to perform, right, you know. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:44.880 That's good parenting. 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.120 Right, And even on a show, Sam, you're on a 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:52.200 show that every guy is bad and you're still the 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:53.360 good guy. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.000 It sounds like you can un in and you know 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.440 exactly right, that's awesome that you're meant to play your 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:06.320 entire life? What is what's when you have a show 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.600 that heavy and that dark? What is it like when 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:11.480 the cameras aren't rolling among the cast? 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.640 Do you do you? Is it? Is it? Do you 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:17.239 break the tension with laughter? And and uh frivilty? 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.800 Like? What is it like behind the scenes in between 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:21.520 all of the acting? 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:28.000 So fun? I mean, people on our show not only 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.240 are have all of us directed. So we come to it. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.200 We come to it like what's the best way other story? 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.080 You know, we get we get out of you know, 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.000 we try to get as much ego out of the 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.000 way as possible. We're protective of our characters and where 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.320 their journey is. But we also trust the writing at 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:47.880 this point, and we just show up and uh, everybody works, 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.640 you know, everybody is good work, and they come in 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.560 ready to ready to play. And on a you know, 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.520 on a show that's so serious, I feel like, boy, 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.080 I don't know if we'd survive if we were really 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.160 heavy handed Courtard so no. 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:03.600 Med acting going on behind this? 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.680 Oh thank goodness, Oh my god. 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.320 I mean I was wondering, you know, I mean, how 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.919 you handle that? Because that is some heavy stuff. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.480 You know, it's so funny. I love I actually love 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.840 a lot of method acting and actor but I've worked 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:25.879 with one or two and it's so much work, not 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.280 just for them, but I was a method actor and 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.480 I saw we were doing this scene and I saw 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.199 one of the camera crew say his name as his 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:41.119 actual name, and I saw ooh, and he got up 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.520 and walked around the room and I saw him like 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.359 whisper in the camera guy's ear to you know, to 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:47.920 say his character's name. 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.159 And he was like, oh, I'm so sorry, sorry of course, 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:52.960 And I just thought, man, this is way too much 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.160 work for everybody else. How about you just show up 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:00.400 and pretend because you're already like there's if you're gonna 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.680 be that method, just what you're going to walk into 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:03.800 a room and be like what are. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:09.120 These cameras doing in here? Like just if you're gonna 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.480 be method, then just to be like, what what am 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:21.160 I on a stage? I'm in I'm in seventeenth century England? Guys, 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.679 just get over yourselves. 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:30.520 Yeah, okay, all right, that is I. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.240 Take don't take yourself so seriously, right. 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:39.760 No, because you have to be exponentially better at acting 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.960 to have people be like, yeah, I'll work with that 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:48.320 guy again. But he's like, I mean, you got to 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.520 be like Daniel day Lewis, where it's just like, okay, 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.120 he's unbelievable. So we can put up with that because 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:56.520 the product is amazed. 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.280 It's so funny, you all time favorite actor. 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.159 So yes, and I knew he was a method actor, 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.760 but to your point, yes, he's kind of earned the 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.040 right to be that because it's just that good. 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.280 And I think also a generous and kind spirit as well. 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.040 So I don't you know, you know, they're not all 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.600 you know, it's like Gilead, they're not all bad on 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:16.160 the hand. 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:20.399 Fail see, he has done such a better job of 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.680 pitching this show. Well, he's got me very curious about 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:26.160 the show. Can I pick it up in his seasons 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.680 and be okay? Or I need some backstory season. 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.520 Two I can tell you, and you know how I 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.320 love to talk. Oh yeah, fill in the blanks for 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:36.200 you during a quiet moment. 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:38.920 I don't know if you want. I mean it needs 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:40.960 to be. It sounds like it needs to be your show. 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.920 You need to find a way to make it, make it. 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:45.480 Makes a good point. Okay, help us with that? 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.080 All right there, I assume you have to get the Yeah, 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.119 plenty of fans out there, plenty of folks probably come 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.119 up to you on the street. Do you what is 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:57.800 the divide between your male and female viewership? It was 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:01.520 hard to find it online, But what's your understanding of 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.840 the number? Is the percentage of female viewership versus male? 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.720 I'm sure it's female driven, but I think it's a 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.480 show that couples like to watch to get some couples. 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.160 Other couple, sam great, yes. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:21.520 Other couples. Yeah, can't can't do it. But yeah, I 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:24.800 actually don't know the numbers. I mean that's yeah. 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.280 I wish more women come up to you than men, obviously, 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.480 probably just because they think you're cute. But would you 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:30.720 say that's a fair statement. 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:35.000 I wouldn't even say that that. No, I don't get 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.600 I don't. I'm pretty daft when it comes to people 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:43.399 hitting on me. So I I've always been just and 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:45.960 even as a celebrity, I walk around and when people 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:49.000 like smile at me, I just assume they're being overly nice, 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.200 not because they recognize me from something or you know. 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:56.040 But as for the as for the fans who come up, 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.280 I would say it's I would say it's fifty to fifty. 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:01.639 Really, whoa, that's why? 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:05.600 Now do you get recognized more for The Handmaid's Tale? 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.760 Maybe because it's recent or from Parenthood. 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:14.000 That's still probably fifty to fifty you know, a little 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:16.560 more for Handmaid's Tale in the last couple of years. 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:20.359 But that makes sense that are you surprised by just 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.320 the still kind of rabid fan base that Parenthood still has. 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.360 I mean, I'm reading people are constantly asking you if 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.240 you'd be participating in a reboot or a sequel or 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:34.159 people want more. I mean that show ended ten years ago, correct. 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:39.600 Yeah, I think it remains relevant because people keep having babies, 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:47.199 so we're always trying to you know, figure out. You know, 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:50.439 we want something that feels like am I insane? Or 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:55.760 is this job absolutely ludicrous? Because every time my wife 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:58.720 and I had a kid, it's like two years in 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:02.480 we're like, wait, how have we survived as a species? 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.560 Like this is so moments of this are so unbearable 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.919 that I don't know how our species was able to 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:12.920