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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ. Today,

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Speaker 1: we are talking to one of the biggest stars of

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest and all time greatest whose series.

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Speaker 1: And it's one of the only shows that TJ and

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Speaker 1: I don't watch together.

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Speaker 2: Why is that?

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Speaker 3: Uh, you know what? I don't know?

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Speaker 4: And I am so curious to hear what he thinks

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Speaker 4: about this, because, for whatever reason, it just naturally I

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Speaker 4: didn't gravitate towards this show. I respect it, I loved

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Speaker 4: the actors in it. Not Why did I not?

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Speaker 3: I really don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think it's because men are pretty dang evil. Most

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Speaker 1: of the men are like, ridiculously evil in this series.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you how that could be intimidating to men.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know the plot of the show until recently.

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Speaker 4: You broke it all down for me, and I said, oh,

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Speaker 4: that's it.

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth moss Is is this star this show? Of course,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the Second Tale. And you've watched a

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Speaker 1: lot of things that she's in.

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Speaker 2: You like her, you love her. You watch things when

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Speaker 2: you see an actor or an actress that you respect,

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Speaker 2: but you never I don't know we're drawn into this.

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Speaker 4: But you've gotten me on board now and I can't

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Speaker 4: wait to watch. But we're talking to one of the

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Speaker 4: few good guys on the show.

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Speaker 2: You this this is fun.

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Speaker 1: Actually, So this is the final season for any fan

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Speaker 1: out there, you know, this season six, the final season

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Speaker 1: of The Handmaid's Tale. I've watched every single episode religiously.

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Speaker 1: And our next guest was started on season two and

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Speaker 1: he was a recurring character. But you know what, it's

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Speaker 1: got to be such a huge compliment when you're a

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Speaker 1: you're a recurring character, and you're so good that people

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Speaker 1: want more that you then become a main character seasons four,

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Speaker 1: five and now season six.

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Speaker 2: So I think maybe people can piece together.

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Speaker 1: We want to welcome the amazing and talented Sam Jager

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Speaker 1: aka Mark, one of the good guys of The Handmaid's Tale,

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Speaker 1: to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being with me.

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Speaker 4: And let's say congratulate. That's a hell of a compliment. Really,

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Speaker 4: she explained, that's a hell of a compliment, an incredible setup.

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Speaker 5: Can you set me up for every interview I do

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Speaker 5: for the rest.

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Speaker 6: Of my life unless you hide girl, I'd be happy

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Speaker 6: to but no huge fan and seriously, I was actually

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Speaker 6: so curious as an actor and even maybe as a

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Speaker 6: human when you're on a show that truly is about,

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Speaker 6: perhaps even a cautionary tale of what evil and power

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Speaker 6: and misogyny can do to a society, to.

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Speaker 1: Play literally one of the only guys who isn't evil

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Speaker 1: or a rapist, or you name any horrible thing you

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Speaker 1: can think of about what the worst thing a man

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Speaker 2: What's that feel like?

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Speaker 5: You know what's so funny is I'm still like, for

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Speaker 5: the first few seasons I was on this, people were

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Speaker 5: still like, I don't know about this Mark guy.

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Speaker 3: What's his.

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Speaker 5: And I think because they've been so maybe scarred for

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Speaker 5: so many horrific antagonists on our show being white men,

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Speaker 5: I think they were like, oh man, this guy's going

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Speaker 5: I think that's what you know. They people don't know

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Speaker 5: where he stood for a long time, and hopefully by

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Speaker 5: this final season they know that Mark is truly a

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Speaker 5: guy who's trying to save what's left a democracy in

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Speaker 4: So you said, people are still trying to figure it out,

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Speaker 4: But what was the turn? Is there anything you would

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Speaker 3: What was the turning point?

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Speaker 4: Do you think where maybe the writers the producer saw

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Speaker 5: I think I think they just kept bringing me back

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Speaker 5: because they liked the chemistry I had with Yvonne, and

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Speaker 5: see from her. You know, her character, Serena plays this

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Speaker 5: And so it's one of those storylines that they thought, oh,

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, when I first got this this role,

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Speaker 5: I don't want to say it's hard to watch, because

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Speaker 1: It's Sam, because I hadn't thought about that at all,

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Speaker 1: but you did offer, like that hope that all men

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Speaker 2: I mean, there are a couple like Luke. The character

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Speaker 1: Is it is it a good guy Nick, even though

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Speaker 2: So there are a few of you, but so far,

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Speaker 1: But I hadn't thought about how you were able to

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Speaker 4: You'll use words what, riveting, captivating, visceral to describe the show.

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Speaker 4: And I'm again I've admitted here I haven't gone through

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Speaker 2: It's fear, it's cautionary, like.

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Speaker 5: Why would watch this? Yeah? Yeah, you know, I think

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Speaker 4: Thank you saying that was a bunch much better sales

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Speaker 3: Now, okay, but.

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Speaker 1: That really was a beautiful way to describe the arc

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Speaker 5: I was just so taken, first of all, because it's

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Speaker 5: five five brothers.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, you get all those numbing the numbers

439
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Speaker 4: together still eight ten, fourteen and thirty thirty, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's a gap. Is a thirty year old upstairs in

441
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Speaker 3: the house too?

442
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Speaker 5: And no, thankfully she's in he's in DC with her husband,

443
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Speaker 5: and I don't worry about her, you know, putting her

444
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Speaker 5: clothes on in the morning and you know the water,

445
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Speaker 5: So that's great.

446
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Speaker 1: I do love how you put that that the worry

447
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: that does it does weigh on you. And then also

448
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: the guilt for me. Maybe I don't know if that's

449
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: just moms, but it's like that constantly. But those moments,

450
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Speaker 1: I would also say they're happier because sometimes you don't

451
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: know what you don't know, so they don't know what

452
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: they're missing.

453
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Speaker 2: Is a is a one way to look at it.

454
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Speaker 3: To all those folks that don't have kids, Yes, but.

455
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Speaker 2: Maybe they're laughing at me because they don't know what

456
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Speaker 2: I'm missing.

457
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Speaker 3: Yes, single fifty, no kids, that sounds.

458
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Speaker 1: Awesome, free existence with a much bigger bank account.

459
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Speaker 4: No, do you really think there's a fifty year old

460
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 4: single folks run around going yay, I'm so glad I

461
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 4: never got married.

462
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Speaker 3: I'm glad I never had kids. Oh yeah, they look great.

463
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't know that.

464
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Speaker 1: So all right, So what I know you said, You've

465
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 1: you've got some directing on your resume.

466
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Speaker 2: So what's next?

467
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Speaker 1: Where do you uh, where do you want to take

468
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: your career? Handmaid's Tale the last episode.

469
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Speaker 2: We haven't seen it yet. We're very excited about it.

470
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: But what's next?

471
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Speaker 1: And how did it feel to say goodbye to this

472
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: juggernaut of a show.

473
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean I chose a nomadic career, so

474
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 5: trying to figure out what's next is always you know,

475
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 5: trying to make peace with being momentarily unemployed is part

476
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 5: of the battle and just and just accepting. You know,

477
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 5: this is a rare time I get to be home

478
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 5: with my kids after traveling to Toronto for years. So

479
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 5: you know, I'm I'm I'm writing another project that's a

480
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 5: film noir set in Los Angeles, and and that's a

481
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 5: that's just kind of my you know, part of one

482
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 5: of my favorite kind of genres of film. I realized,

483
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 5: and this is weird, speaking of like, you know, terrible

484
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 5: men in our you know, in our I realized earlier

485
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 5: on that all of my favorite films are the same film,

486
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 5: which is about some guys trying to save a woman

487
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 5: that should not be saved, and they're all film noir,

488
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 5: like the conversation by Coppola or Vertigo or in a

489
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 5: town where you're just like, I know where you're headed,

490
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 5: but just don't Yeah, just don't know that that direction.

491
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 5: So film noir for me has always been just so

492
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 5: fascinating and I don't know what it says about me

493
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Speaker 5: that I'm you.

494
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Speaker 3: Know, you'll say that's exactly his role in.

495
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: You literally just described your character's role with who was

496
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: trying to save a woman?

497
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: You just described.

498
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I don't know. Maybe this is good that

499
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 5: I didn't put these two together until after I've done

500
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 5: shooting this whole series. I mean, maybe I gone into

501
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 5: every scene like, guys, we can't my character wouldn't say this,

502
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 5: or I can't go down this road. I'm glad. Oh,

503
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 5: I'm glad we're doing this interview now. Yeah. Oh, And

504
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 5: you know, finishing up the show was was so wonderful.

505
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 5: I got to be especially these last two episodes, I

506
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 5: feel like are great television and I'm so excited for

507
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 5: the fans to watch. But I got to be a

508
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 5: part of some scenes that are one of some of

509
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 5: the most important of our series, and they're goodbyes that

510
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 5: not just with my but other characters. And you know,

511
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 5: I just it was I'm so grateful to be working

512
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 5: with these people. You know, to work on anything period

513
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 5: as a miracle as an actor, but to work with

514
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 5: people you admire that you know are good people out

515
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 5: in the world, that's so rare.

516
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Speaker 1: I love just hearing your enthusiasm for this lifelong career

517
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: you've had and your gratitude for it. And I'm so

518
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: excited to watch the last couple of episodes. I think

519
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: the last one drops May twenty seven for anyone who

520
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: wants to know. But I also I think t J

521
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: and I can pass along sometimes what it's like to

522
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: have even unexpected momentary lapses in employment.

523
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: We experienced that a couple of years ago.

524
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: And the cool thing is it breeds creative new doors.

525
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: You know, things that you weren't even expecting could happen

526
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: or what happened to and you find yourself in the

527
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: position that you never thought. So I think sometimes those

528
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: moments are the greatest ones of our careers because you

529
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: get to go into a new direction that you might not.

530
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: Have even anticipated.

531
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: What we could have used as counsel two years ago.

532
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 5: So you guys, I've landed in the right spot, I think.

533
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: Well, we know you will too.

534
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: We cannot wait to see what else you have in

535
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: store for us, because we will be consuming it. Sam Jager,

536
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: it was such a pleasure speaking to you. It was

537
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: so lovely to get to know you as a person

538
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: and to know you're almost exactly like your character, which

539
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: is kind of cool.

540
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 5: A good guy guy, well, who should not rescue women

541
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 5: that don't need rescue.

542
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: Well, congratulations on all your success and we can't see

543
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what you do next.

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00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 5: Thank you. Thanks for having me bank carry that