Speaker 1: Wake that ass up. In the morning the Breakfast Club yeps, well,
Speaker 1: the most Dangerous Morning to show to Breakfast Club Shawla,
Speaker 1: the God Jess Hilarious. DJ Nvy is off to day,
Speaker 1: but we got a special guest in the building, the
Speaker 1: host of Tommy Lauren is Fearless on OutKick dot Com.
Speaker 1: Tommy Lauren is here. Good morning.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. It's been a long time coming.
Speaker 2: So I'm so happy that you had me, and I
Speaker 2: hope that we can have a nice discussion. I love
Speaker 2: the dialogue. As you know, I'm.
Speaker 1: Supposed to be here. Back in the day, day, way
Speaker 1: back in the day, was the same day when you
Speaker 1: and Trevor Nolan everybody.
Speaker 2: Gives the day after the Daily Show the situation slash
Speaker 2: debacle slash milestone. I guess we'll call it that.
Speaker 1: Oh, Tommy, are you a racist?
Speaker 2: I sure am not. Yeah, thank you for asking, though,
Speaker 2: I appreciate just coming in hot just right off the bat.
Speaker 2: But I'm glad we could clear that up and then
Speaker 2: now we can move forward. There we go. You get
Speaker 2: that off, you know, not so much anymore. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that the time of me being accused of that has dissipated.
Speaker 2: But you know, hey, listen, I appreciate the question. I'm
Speaker 2: an open book and I hope after our time together
Speaker 2: you will see that for yourself. But thank you for
Speaker 2: asking what have you.
Speaker 1: Been up to? That was a question that people were asking.
Speaker 1: They was like, you know, where's Tommy.
Speaker 2: Lauren been doing my thing? You know, doing my thing
Speaker 2: on Fox. We've been through a couple elections since you
Speaker 2: and I last spoke. This one went more my direction,
Speaker 2: I would say, as the last one did. When we
Speaker 2: know we're talking. Previously, during Trump Edmund one and you
Speaker 2: and I talked about, you know, if you would be
Speaker 2: open to seeing what the president had to offer. And
Speaker 2: you know, now we've got a few years separating that
Speaker 2: and now, and I'm personally I'm happy with with everything
Speaker 2: that's happening.
Speaker 1: So really honest assessment.
Speaker 2: Now, I promise you this. If there comes a time
Speaker 2: where this administration does something that I don't like, I'm
Speaker 2: happy to say it. And I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: seen over the years, but I've taken a beating for
Speaker 2: going against the right, and I was fire for going
Speaker 2: against the right. I think that was pre though, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I have no problem doing that if I see
Speaker 2: an issue, I'll say it. I don't play for a team.
Speaker 2: I don't work for the Trump administration. If they do
Speaker 2: something I don't like, I'm happy to say, all right,
Speaker 2: that's not my thing. Right now, I'm happy we'll see you. Know,
Speaker 2: we're a few months in.
Speaker 1: Well, you were fired from the Blaze after saying you
Speaker 1: support a woman's right to choose. Did that moment did
Speaker 1: you not realize in that moment that the movement that
Speaker 1: you promote doesn't really allow true freedom of thought, because
Speaker 1: that's what it feels like. It doesn't feel like they
Speaker 1: allow true freedom of thought, all freedom of speech.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you this. That particular network didn't like it,
Speaker 2: but the network i'm at now definitely supports my right
Speaker 2: to free speech. Yeah, there were a lot of people
Speaker 2: on the right. They didn't like that I said that.
Speaker 2: I'm someone who really believes in freedom. I don't like
Speaker 2: government intervention. So when I said I was pro choice,
Speaker 2: it was hey, listen, I'm personally pro life, but I
Speaker 2: don't like the government telling people what to do in
Speaker 2: that regard, and I don't think the government fills that need.
Speaker 2: I really don't. I think that's a place for family
Speaker 2: and faith and community to come in during that time.
Speaker 2: That's hard for women. I don't think the government does
Speaker 2: it well. So I don't think the government should impede.
Speaker 2: And I was very forthright about that. Some people didn't
Speaker 2: like that, and that's okay. But I got eviscerated for that,
Speaker 2: you know, and I had to go through a battle
Speaker 2: with a network for that. But that's why when I
Speaker 2: say I don't play for a team, I don't play
Speaker 2: for a side. I'm happy to take the hits from
Speaker 2: my side. If I believe in something, I'm going to
Speaker 2: say it. So the left of the right, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of a punching bag for both. And that's
Speaker 2: okay with me.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like a president should uh hold the Constitution?
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely their duty.
Speaker 1: Yes. So when you see him on Meet the President,
Speaker 1: he's asked that question. President Trump, he's asked that question
Speaker 1: and he says, I don't know. You can't be happy
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, when he was asked that question,
Speaker 2: it was regarding illegal immigration and what his administration's abilities are.
Speaker 2: Now that's gonna end up being decided by the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: We don't have those decisions yet. But to say he's
Speaker 2: just not upholding the concert Institution. He's saying, well, the
Speaker 2: lawyers are going to tell me how far I can go.
Speaker 2: So I respect him when he says that, he's not
Speaker 2: saying nope, I know the answer. He's saying, Listen, this
Speaker 2: is going to play out judicially, it's going to play
Speaker 2: out legislatively, it's going to play out. But I'm going
Speaker 2: to do what I can to protect the sovereignty of
Speaker 2: our nation and our borders. And we had an invasion
Speaker 2: in his mind and in my mind, and we have
Speaker 2: to correct that, and the voters voted largely to correct that.
Speaker 2: So he when he said that about the Constitution, he
Speaker 2: wasn't saying, ah, I don't know. He was saying, listen,
Speaker 2: it's going to play out. But then I respect that.
Speaker 1: There is actual due process language in the Constitution though,
Speaker 1: yeah to mecause everybody does have the right to do process.
Speaker 2: To me, there's a gray area there, and it depends
Speaker 2: on what we're talking about. So the position the president
Speaker 2: has in my position is this, it's a privilege to
Speaker 2: be in our country. And there were millions of people
Speaker 2: who came into our country and they said, I don't
Speaker 2: want to follow a process to get in, but now
Speaker 2: I want a different process in order for you to
Speaker 2: remove me. And what thiseman is is saying, and what
Speaker 2: many Americans, including myself feel, is, listen, you need to
Speaker 2: follow our laws. You did not follow our immigration laws,
Speaker 2: so there's going to be a different process for you
Speaker 2: than an American citizen. And if two immigration courts say
Speaker 2: you're gang affiliated, if you've beaten your wife and you
Speaker 2: have protective orders filed against you, if you're accused of
Speaker 2: trafficking people around this country, which is a major issue
Speaker 2: human trafficking and sex trafficking, then you no longer have
Speaker 2: the privilege of being in this country. And by the way,
Speaker 2: you also came in illegally, So the whole due process conversation,
Speaker 2: that's where I stack up on that. Now, Listen, I
Speaker 2: don't believe people should just be rounded up with, you know,
Speaker 2: just because they see you and they say, oh, get
Speaker 2: out of here. But if you came to this country legally,
Speaker 2: you aren't up for deportation. You came here.
Speaker 1: Illegally, yes, but the still says you're allowed to process. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying that I disagree with you know
Speaker 1: that stance. I'm just saying you still have to abide
Speaker 1: by what the constitution says.
Speaker 2: But why did nobody take any issue during the Obama
Speaker 2: administration when he deported three million people without that due
Speaker 2: process of yes, you're in here illegally. Yes the court
Speaker 2: says you're here illegally, but we're going to deport you
Speaker 2: because you're in the country illegally. There was no extra
Speaker 2: due process for those three million under Obama, and nobody
Speaker 2: had an issue with it. So now my question is,
Speaker 2: why now is there another level of due process besides
Speaker 2: an immigration court saying you're here illegally, you have a
Speaker 2: notice to be deported.
Speaker 1: I've always asked that question as to my knowledge that
Speaker 1: those people that because Obama deported more more people than
Speaker 1: any president ever, but those people still were deported, you know,
Speaker 1: via due process, Like they didn't just grab them and say, hey,
Speaker 1: what's shipping you off the announce ound.
Speaker 2: No, but an immigration court said yes, you're up for deportation.
Speaker 2: But the Obama administration didn't give them this extra due
Speaker 2: process or you get a trial, or you get but
Speaker 2: if you go through the courts, that's due process exactly,
Speaker 2: an immigration court, which that's what President Trump is also doing.
Speaker 2: It's not just oh, they've never been in front of
Speaker 2: an immigration judge.
Speaker 1: The guy from Maryland didn't go go go through due process.
Speaker 2: Two courts actually not only said that he was gang affiliated.
Speaker 2: The local PD said he's gang affiliated. A informant says
Speaker 2: he's gang affiliated.
Speaker 1: But that has nothing to do with due process all that.
Speaker 2: But two courts already said you're gang affiliated and you're
Speaker 2: an illegal immigrant. I mean, there's no dispute that he's
Speaker 2: an illegal immigrant, and there's no dispute that the courts
Speaker 2: say he's gang affiliated.
Speaker 1: But that has nothing to do with his due process.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, but that has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: his due process. That just means that he has committed
Speaker 1: some crimes, but he's still allowed due process. And I
Speaker 1: think that's where a lot of Democrats are getting caught
Speaker 1: up in. They're so focused on defending his character or
Speaker 1: what he may or may not have done, But we
Speaker 1: should just be talking about the due process that has
Speaker 1: allowed people within the constitution.
Speaker 2: So do you want him to go in front of
Speaker 2: another immigration judge? Then I guess that's my question, is
Speaker 2: that he's been in front of immigration judges. He's in
Speaker 2: the country illegally and has been for many many years. Right,
Speaker 2: not only came to this country illegally, but then since
Speaker 2: then you have protective orders against you. Your wife says
Speaker 2: she's scared of you. You're wife's ex husband said, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm worried about my kids because my ex wife is
Speaker 2: dating a gang member. And you got caught on bodycam
Speaker 2: footage allegedly trafficking people across my state of Tennessee. So
Speaker 2: at some point, it's like, how much more? How many
Speaker 2: more judges need to say this cat needs to leave?
Speaker 2: And I would also ask this, there are Americans who
Speaker 2: are accused of being gang members all the time, and
Speaker 2: I feel that they get less benefit of the doubt
Speaker 2: than someone who came to this country legally, and that
Speaker 2: should infuriate Americans that there are people sitting in jail
Speaker 2: right now who I feel probably get less attention, less advocacy,
Speaker 2: and they're riding in jail than someone who came to
Speaker 2: our country legally and then continued to break our laws
Speaker 2: and endanger people. So that's my perspective. And then I
Speaker 2: get what you're saying about the due process.
Speaker 1: I understand that's literally the only conversation. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that he shouldn't even you know, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: he should not be deported. I'm just simply saying he
Speaker 1: should have to go through due process. That's it. I
Speaker 1: think that. You know, the people like just keep saying, well,
Speaker 1: he committed this crime. He committed that crime that has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the due process that he's allowed
Speaker 1: within the constitution. What do you think about Donald Trump
Speaker 1: taking the plane? Constitution also says you can't do that either.
Speaker 2: That's another again, that's another great area. I'm not a lawyer,
Speaker 2: is that well, because here's the deal, I understand and
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not fully saying I even support it.
Speaker 2: I see the present position. Hey, if they're going to
Speaker 2: give us this plane, otherwise taxpayers are going to pay
Speaker 2: for it. We need a new air Force one and
Speaker 2: they don't have it ready for us. They were supposed
Speaker 2: to have it ready for us. They don't have it
Speaker 2: ready for us. If Katar is willing to give us
Speaker 2: this plane and it can save us some money, maybe
Speaker 2: we should do it. Save the people some money. Donald
Speaker 2: Trump doesn't look at things like a typical politician. He
Speaker 2: looks at it like maybe your average person would say, hey,
Speaker 2: you're gonna give me this and I don't have to
Speaker 2: pay for it. Okay, I'll take it. And I understand
Speaker 2: there are many people on prohibits that there are many
Speaker 2: people on my side of the aisle who also agree
Speaker 2: with you, Like, hey, what are they getting in return?
Speaker 2: And I need to know that as well. So I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that I don't. I'm just like, yes, take
Speaker 2: the plane. I would prefer you didn't, But I understand.
Speaker 1: Do you prefer he didn't tell me?
Speaker 2: I don't want to be beholden to potentially hostile nations
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 1: Middle least, And you know it's unconstitutional.
Speaker 2: I understand your point on that. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I don't know if it is unconstitutional, it is.
Speaker 1: The US Constitution prohibits, it's it's textbook unconstitutional. All I want,
Speaker 1: regardless of party, is a president who upholds the Constitution
Speaker 1: at all times.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like President jow Biden did that?
Speaker 1: Uh? No, probably not in all cases. But that's why
Speaker 1: I said, regardless of the party, I want a president
Speaker 1: who upholds the Constitution at all times. I don't think
Speaker 1: the Constitution should be flexible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know there are some on the left
Speaker 2: that want the Constitution to be flexible when it comes
Speaker 2: to the Second Amendment and you know, other parts of
Speaker 2: the Constitution. So some people say it's a living document.
Speaker 2: It changes with the times. Other people say, listen, it's
Speaker 2: the original intention. And I think there are times where
Speaker 2: we probably agree on different points and disagree on others.
Speaker 2: I take your point, though, about the plane, I'm not
Speaker 2: cheering for like, I'll be honest about that. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: if we can avoid that, let's let's avoid that. Let's
Speaker 2: just not even go into the gray area. I would
Speaker 2: prefer that. But I see the President sees it as
Speaker 2: let's save some money for the American people. I think
Speaker 2: he really does care about that. I really do believe
Speaker 2: that he sees things like a business and that's his
Speaker 2: perspective on it. And I think that he appreciates the gesture.
Speaker 2: But I don't. I don't love it.
Speaker 1: It's still unconstitutional and it could be a national security ASKM.
Speaker 2: I understand that I don't disagree with you on that point.
Speaker 1: It could the plans probably, but it could be a
Speaker 1: bomb all we know.
Speaker 2: I'm I don't disagree with you on that point. I
Speaker 2: would need to know more as well.
Speaker 1: Is that you get a grandchout of immigrants.
Speaker 2: Well, I think most of us are grandchildren of immigrants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because because you said, America's just stop being a
Speaker 1: dumping ground for other countries' problems, right, correct, So at
Speaker 1: what point did your family's journey stop being noble and
Speaker 1: start being disposable to you?
Speaker 2: Well? Point take and what you're trying to do with that.
Speaker 2: So here's my thing. We are a nation of immigrants.
Speaker 2: We once had a process for it, and then it
Speaker 2: became a free for all. We have to know who's
Speaker 2: coming into our country, the days of coming into this country,
Speaker 2: and we can agree to disagree on who came in
Speaker 2: and how they came in, and I'm happy to have
Speaker 2: the conversation. But when my family or my lineage came
Speaker 2: into this country, they didn't come into this country and
Speaker 2: they didn't get a four horse hose, our hotel room,
Speaker 2: they didn't get all their meals paid for. They didn't
Speaker 2: get lodging and health care and schooling and everything that
Speaker 2: the legal immigrants that are coming in now are afforded,
Speaker 2: and they're sucking up the resources from people who really
Speaker 2: need it. It's really hard for people like me and
Speaker 2: on my side to rationalize and I think many people
Speaker 2: that don't have a party affiliation to rationalize importing millions
Speaker 2: and millions of people into this country, allowing them to
Speaker 2: use all of our services and allowing them to stay
Speaker 2: even though they didn't follow the process to get here.
Speaker 2: So that's the point. We want immigrants. There's nothing saying
Speaker 2: we don't we need immigrants. We need them, we love them,
Speaker 2: we need them, we need a process. We do it right,
Speaker 2: just do it the right way. And if we didn't
Speaker 2: have so many that came in the wrong way, we
Speaker 2: could allow more people to come in the right way.
Speaker 2: And we want to foster that. And I don't think
Speaker 2: President Trump is anti immigrant. He's married to an immigrant,
Speaker 2: you know, Jade Vance is married to someone who's come
Speaker 2: from a family of immigrants from India. Like, we're not
Speaker 2: anti immigrant, just come the right way. And it's really
Speaker 2: hard when I see the people in New York City
Speaker 2: or the people in Chicago or in la and you
Speaker 2: see people that are struggling that they can't afford their
Speaker 2: daily life, and then you see illegal aliens in a
Speaker 2: force our hotel and you see them getting their needs
Speaker 2: taken care of, and you see Americans falling by the wayside.
Speaker 1: You want to see me. Pushed back on that one,
Speaker 1: I agree with that you are.
Speaker 3: Often classified as like controversial, that's how people describe you.
Speaker 3: How much is that of that is intentional or in
Speaker 3: how much of it is really you standing on business
Speaker 3: of what you believe in.
Speaker 2: I would say I'm much like you two in that regard.
Speaker 2: I don't go out of my way to be controversial.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of people that have found this
Speaker 2: new media and on the right that they say things
Speaker 2: to be controversial, and they say things to get attention.
Speaker 2: I don't do that. I really just have a perspective
Speaker 2: and I'm happy to say it, and it's meaningful to
Speaker 2: me and it's well thought out. I don't just say things.
Speaker 2: I think about it and I say it and then
Speaker 2: I stand by it. But I don't say things just
Speaker 2: to be controversial. And I like having conversations with people.
Speaker 2: I really do. I really do believe that most of
Speaker 2: us in this country want what's best for this country.
Speaker 2: We have different ways of going about it, but this
Speaker 2: is America. That's why we talk. And for too long
Speaker 2: we just didn't talk to each other. And I think
Speaker 2: now the barriers are starting to be broken down in
Speaker 2: that regard, and I'm really happy to see.
Speaker 3: That is your bolton. Do you feel like your boldness
Speaker 3: is mis understood sometimes?
Speaker 2: Sometimes I think maybe less over the years because I've
Speaker 2: taken so many hits from the right. Maybe you know
Speaker 2: there are people that will no matter what, they will
Speaker 2: stand up for Mega and Trump and whatever, and they
Speaker 2: will stand up for the side and they will die
Speaker 2: in the hill of the side. I don't do that,
Speaker 2: and I think that that lacks integrity when people do it.
Speaker 2: Happy if people disagree with me on either side, because
Speaker 2: at least you know that what I'm saying is actually
Speaker 2: what I feel and you cannot like it, but it's
Speaker 2: not something that I'm saying to just bat for somebody.
Speaker 2: So I hope that at least there's some respect for that,
Speaker 2: and I think that there is now, and I think
Speaker 2: things are changing, and I think that podcasting and more
Speaker 2: people having platforms has added to that, which I'm happy
Speaker 2: to see.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to the immigration thing real quick,
Speaker 1: Like this is a hypothetical question, like you know, the
Speaker 1: legal immigration process can take like twenty plus years. Sometimes
Speaker 1: would you wait that long if your children were, say,
Speaker 1: fleeing a cartel of violence or war, right, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I understand your point, and I really do empathize
Speaker 2: with anybody who doesn't live in the US that wants
Speaker 2: to get here. This is the greatest nation on the
Speaker 2: face of the earth, and I understand that. Now, the
Speaker 2: part about immigration and illegal immigration is this those people
Speaker 2: that are coming out of this country. When you're seeking
Speaker 2: genuine asylum or you're an actual refugee. First of all,
Speaker 2: you got to show up to your asylum hearings, and
Speaker 2: you got to show up. Ninety plus percent don't that's
Speaker 2: a problem. But coming here because you want better economic opportunities,
Speaker 2: that's not asylum. And many people that have come over
Speaker 2: in the last four years they want better economic opportunities,
Speaker 2: and I don't fault them for that, but that's not asylum.
Speaker 2: I would also say this, if you're coming over because
Speaker 2: you're fearful of your government, or you're in a war
Speaker 2: torn country, or you're in a country that's run by cartels,
Speaker 2: paying those cartels, then to smuggle you into our country
Speaker 2: does not help your country, because you don't come over
Speaker 2: here without paying a cartel. You're paying ten thousand, fifteen thousand,
Speaker 2: twenty thousand, and if you're a special interest alien who's
Speaker 2: coming for nefarious purposes. You're paying more, so you're not
Speaker 2: helping your country if you're coming from Honduras or Guatemala
Speaker 2: or Nicaragua and you're funding the very organization that's destroying
Speaker 2: your country. So that's why we have to get a
Speaker 2: grip on it for a lot of reasons. I want
Speaker 2: those countries to thrive. They're never going to thrive if
Speaker 2: people are paying the very organizations that are destroying them.
Speaker 1: What about people who are fleeing those countries just because
Speaker 1: they want a better life. You have cos empathy for
Speaker 1: an inlet, of course, I have.
Speaker 2: Empathy for everybody. But there's still a process, because there's
Speaker 2: no reason that somebody should go through the process and
Speaker 2: pay a lot of money legitimately and wait five or
Speaker 2: ten years because they want to be an American so
Speaker 2: badly and then watch someone skip over them.
Speaker 1: But you can understand if the process is literally life
Speaker 1: or death. Depending on his process's life or death. I
Speaker 1: got to get my kids out of here now, I
Speaker 1: got to get out of here now. My whole family's
Speaker 1: going to die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's why we have the asylum process, and
Speaker 2: that's what it's intended for. Unfortunately, so many people have
Speaker 2: taken advantage of it that the people that need it,
Speaker 2: they're the ones that fall through the cracks, the ones
Speaker 2: that are like, hey, I really am fleeing this. My
Speaker 2: family is in danger. That's why we have asylum. But
Speaker 2: when you have people coming over here and lying about it,
Speaker 2: you can't have that. And that's what we experienced in
Speaker 2: the last four five years. And it's unfortunate because all
Speaker 2: that does is hurt the people that need it the most.
Speaker 2: And that's where I stand on that issue, and I
Speaker 2: have empathy for everybody. By the way, it's not a
Speaker 2: matter of I don't like you, I don't want you here.
Speaker 2: It's just follow the process so that we can have
Speaker 2: a process, because why would anybody wait in line if
Speaker 2: they can just do it the wrong way. That's really
Speaker 2: the point we're trying to get at.
Speaker 1: You do have empathy with Angel The other day, I
Speaker 1: think I think she's a First of all, I think
Speaker 1: she is a hater.
Speaker 2: That's okay, like maybe we're all haters. I think that
Speaker 2: she deeply hates Kaitlin Clark, And I.
Speaker 1: Think did you feel that before three said no?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, excuse me? So I've seen it since way
Speaker 2: back in the college days. They don't like each other, right,
Speaker 2: I think Caitlin Clark doesn't display if she doesn't like
Speaker 2: her dislike for Angel Rees. I don't think Caitlin Clark
Speaker 2: displays it. I think Angel Rees, I think she likes
Speaker 2: to be the villain too. You know, it works and
Speaker 2: it works well, I don't. Well, maybe it works for
Speaker 2: you too. I mean, I think that Angel hates Kaitlin Clark,
Speaker 2: and it's okay.
Speaker 1: She is such a strong word. Why can't it just
Speaker 1: be competitive? Like we don't I can't think of too
Speaker 1: many times we've said that with guys, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like they hate each other just because they're
Speaker 1: super competitive on the court.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that there's always been a rivalry and
Speaker 2: a feud in sports and in boxing and all of this.
Speaker 2: But I think when you see Angel reason the way
Speaker 2: she reacts to specifically Caitlin Clark, I think it's hard
Speaker 2: to dispute that she dislikes Caitlin Clark. And it's okay
Speaker 2: if she does, Like, you're not gonna like everybody.
Speaker 1: Well, last night the Fever played. I think they played
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Dream. What did the dream let me make
Speaker 1: sure it was the dream. I just know her and
Speaker 1: Ryan Howard got it was a dream. I think, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a dream. And she got into it with
Speaker 1: Ryan Howard and they had words back and forth and
Speaker 1: they had to hold Ryan back and Caitlyn said, I'm
Speaker 1: not scared of you. That's just competitive nobody. There's no
Speaker 1: narrative this morning that Ryan hates Caitlin. I just think
Speaker 1: it's the rivalry thing between Caitlyn and Angel and we're
Speaker 1: just not used to seeing that in women's basketball.
Speaker 2: We're not. And maybe it's good for the sport. It's
Speaker 2: bringing eyes to it. So finally women get you know,
Speaker 2: women I have been dumped on, in my opinion for
Speaker 2: the last five years and had sports hijacked, and they've
Speaker 2: you know, they they haven't had their their due, and
Speaker 2: now they're being talked about. So you know what, if
Speaker 2: Angel Reese is playing it up to get eyeballs, good
Speaker 2: for her speaking.
Speaker 1: Of that, because you know, we just talked about both
Speaker 1: of us being villains. Do you have a worry that
Speaker 1: your brand depends more on outrage than solutions?
Speaker 2: No? No, maybe early on we evolve, We all evolve.
Speaker 2: I think I don't think any more people would say
Speaker 2: that about me. Maybe some would, maybe you would, but
Speaker 2: I don't think so anymore. I don't try to outrage people.
Speaker 2: I just have conversations and I say things that I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: and not everybody likes it, but welcome to what we
Speaker 2: do for a living. You know, if you have an
Speaker 2: opinion and you stand by it, there are gonna people
Speaker 2: that don't like it. But I don't think I do
Speaker 2: it to outrage people. And I also, to my side,
Speaker 2: I don't do it to appease people either. So I
Speaker 2: think we're all probably in that boat in doing what
Speaker 2: we do.
Speaker 1: We'll not find interesting about conservative media, especially the people
Speaker 1: they call conservative fire brands. They do offer solutions, it's
Speaker 1: just that the solutions you usually offer calls outreage because
Speaker 1: people don't agree with the which said solutions. So what
Speaker 1: do you say to that, Well.
Speaker 2: On the other side, wouldn't it be the same thing, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: So I think it's it's both ways. People are not
Speaker 2: going to like the way you go about things every time.
Speaker 2: That's why we have two different parties and we have
Speaker 2: a party in the middle. Nobody's gonna like everything Democrats
Speaker 2: do or Republicans do. Someone's gonna be mad, But it's
Speaker 2: better to do something than to do nothing. And I
Speaker 2: think that's my whole thing with the Trump administration. People
Speaker 2: might not like what he's doing, but he ran on
Speaker 2: it and he's doing exactly what he said he was
Speaker 2: going to do, and you might not like it, but
Speaker 2: he's not doing anything different than what he's explicitly said,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do this, and now he's doing it.
Speaker 2: And the status call wasn't working. People were not happy
Speaker 2: with it, So maybe we're going to do something different
Speaker 2: and people aren't gonna like it. But I think the
Speaker 2: worst thing is just doing nothing at all.
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of people who said he
Speaker 1: never really do these things, like he would never implement,
Speaker 1: you know, these tariffs, he would never do these mass depotations.
Speaker 1: Like there was literally people who would hear him say
Speaker 1: these things and didn't say, no, he's not really going
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 2: They didn't learn the first time that he's gonna donna
Speaker 2: what he said he's gonna do.
Speaker 1: When somebody shows you who they are, believed him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And some people don't like it, but I like it.
Speaker 2: I like the fact that I voted for someone and
Speaker 2: they're doing exactly what they said that they were going
Speaker 2: to do. When people voted for Joe Biden. I don't
Speaker 2: think they voted for Joe Biden thinking I'm going to
Speaker 2: open the borders and allow ten to maybe fifteen million
Speaker 2: people come into this country unvetted, largely unvetted. I don't
Speaker 2: think people would have voted for that. You know, like,
Speaker 2: be honest if you're going to run on that, and
Speaker 2: you're like, hey, I respect democrats that are like open
Speaker 2: the borders, that's what I want. Okay, well, at least
Speaker 2: people can vote on that, but don't tell me you're
Speaker 2: going to do something and then do the complete opposite.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden ran as a moderate. He was anything but moderate,
Speaker 2: so he fooled a lot of people. I would argue,
Speaker 2: Trump's doing exactly what he said, and if you didn't
Speaker 2: believe him, like, maybe that's on you, But I did you.
Speaker 1: Know, you talk about women's rights and you say you
Speaker 1: support women's rights, but the conservative movement actively works the
Speaker 1: script reproductive freedom. So what rights do you believe women
Speaker 1: actually deserve?
Speaker 2: Well, I would like women to be able to play
Speaker 2: their sports without men hijacking them and taking away their
Speaker 2: accolades and their accomplishments. So it's hard for me when
Speaker 2: the when the left talks about women's rights and they
Speaker 2: only want to talk about abortion, but they don't want
Speaker 2: to talk about women's sports and spaces. We can have
Speaker 2: both conversations.
Speaker 1: I think Wade is way more important women's sports, even
Speaker 1: though I don't want men playing in women's sports. But
Speaker 1: I think that a woman's right to choose should always
Speaker 1: be a woman's right to choose. That shouldn't be scripted
Speaker 1: away from the well.
Speaker 2: Do you notice that the left have been very quiet
Speaker 2: about Trump's abortion bands since he was elected. Wasn't that
Speaker 2: the big concern before he was elected is that he
Speaker 2: was going to take away abortion. I haven't heard anything
Speaker 2: about that. In fact, there are more abortions now than
Speaker 2: there were under Roe v.
Speaker 1: Wade because people can't afford to have kids cause the Trump.
Speaker 2: Four months he's made everything unaccordable. He came in everything,
Speaker 2: and then four months later everything's gone down.
Speaker 1: Those have the economy up, Tommy, we got it. Some
Speaker 1: things we have to admit because they're right there in
Speaker 1: our faith.
Speaker 2: I say, trust the process on tariffs, and if they
Speaker 2: don't work, we'll have that discussion.
Speaker 1: But how long is the process, like and to your point,
Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump and Elon Musk both said there
Speaker 1: was going to be a lot of pain right because
Speaker 1: of these things that they were going to implement. But
Speaker 1: people can't afford that, Like you got sixty percent of
Speaker 1: the country is living check the check. So how long
Speaker 1: is this process is going to be? Well a lot
Speaker 1: of hand I can hand it, but most people can't.
Speaker 2: Well, there there is a pause on the tariffs, so
Speaker 2: we worked out a deal with China. There's going to
Speaker 2: be more deals to come. Here's my thing. President Trump
Speaker 2: is saying, we've been getting screwed by the rest of
Speaker 2: the world, ripped off, and we're not going to get
Speaker 2: ripped off anymore. So countries are coming to the table
Speaker 2: and they're going to make deals that are better and
Speaker 2: they're not going to be one hundred and fifty five
Speaker 2: percent tariffs. They're going to make deals and then it's
Speaker 2: going to be more fair for everybody. We're going to
Speaker 2: bring down the cost of prescription drugs, which is going
Speaker 2: to help people right now, the big beautiful bill, no
Speaker 2: tax on tips, so and extending the Trump tax cuts
Speaker 2: which benefit eighty percent of Americans. So there are going
Speaker 2: to be things within this administration, they're going to alleviate
Speaker 2: some of the short term pain that tariffs would cause.
Speaker 2: This president is dedicated to that. I've never seen somebody
Speaker 2: who cares more about the middle class, working man and
Speaker 2: woman than President Trump. He is willing to piss off
Speaker 2: Wall Street, big Pharma, everybody to try to benefit the
Speaker 2: American people. I respect that, and a lot of people
Speaker 2: say they're going to do it, and they haven't done it.
Speaker 2: The prescription drug thing, how many people have told us
Speaker 2: we're going to get down the price of prescription drugs,
Speaker 2: and they did not want to piss off big farmers,
Speaker 2: so they never did it. And that goes to our
Speaker 2: members of Congress as well. They never did anything. And
Speaker 2: Trump said, oh, why are we paying this and this
Speaker 2: country's paying this when the companies that are making it
Speaker 2: are in our country. No, we're not doing that anymore.
Speaker 2: I got to respect that he's looking out for the
Speaker 2: American people, and that's everybody who's paying way too high
Speaker 2: prices for prescription drugs.
Speaker 1: I would like for all of this stuff to work,
Speaker 1: but I disagree that he's looking out for the middle
Speaker 1: class and the working class because he literally tells the
Speaker 1: middle class and the working class that you know, hey,
Speaker 1: you're going to have to do it out for a while,
Speaker 1: and you know your kids are going to have to
Speaker 1: have less toys. He doesn't say that to the rich
Speaker 1: at all. The rich kid, big tacitly at Wall Street?
Speaker 2: Do your point on tariffs? Like the people that were
Speaker 2: I understand that there are a lot of people that
Speaker 2: have their four own case the retirement that we're really
Speaker 2: worried about Wall Street, But primarily the Wall Street folks
Speaker 2: that he really pissed off with the tariffs. Those are
Speaker 2: really wealthy people, so he wasn't afraid to piss them.
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes him back off. I think
Speaker 1: is those people. I think when they get mad at
Speaker 1: him is when he decided, oh I don't think.
Speaker 2: He cares at all. I do. I And when you
Speaker 2: say the short term pain, I understand what you're saying,
Speaker 2: but it's the honesty. You know, during the Biden years,
Speaker 2: they told us it's actually not that bad, the prices
Speaker 2: actually aren't up, you're actually not struggling, And people were
Speaker 2: offended by that because they're like, no, we are struggling.
Speaker 2: President Trump is saying because of these tariffs and me
Speaker 2: trying to completely rearrange our economic system. There's going to
Speaker 2: be some short term pain because other countries are going
Speaker 2: to try to be big and bold for a few
Speaker 2: minutes here, but they're going to come to the table
Speaker 2: because they need us more than we need them. So
Speaker 2: what he's not saying is like, oh, screw you, I
Speaker 2: can handle it. You can't. You just pay higher prices.
Speaker 2: He's saying, let this work, and if we would all
Speaker 2: join together and let it work. These countries China can't
Speaker 2: sustain this trade war. They can't. They need us more
Speaker 2: than we need them. So he's putting the pinch on them.
Speaker 2: They will come to the table, and I am very
Speaker 2: confident we will end up something better than we started with.
Speaker 1: For the American people, that sounds good. But when a
Speaker 1: person has rent due and they can't pay it and
Speaker 1: they get evicted, what are they going to do? Where
Speaker 1: are they going to go? Like all of this stuff
Speaker 1: sounds good, but we're talking about people who have immediate
Speaker 1: needs that need to be met right now. They can't
Speaker 1: even afford a little bit of pain, and there's not
Speaker 1: a relief to, you know, help get through that. While
Speaker 1: we have to weather this.
Speaker 2: Storm right why And I understand that point, and I
Speaker 2: understand what you're saying, and I think he's doing ever
Speaker 2: he can to try to help people. I'd also say
Speaker 2: this the no tax on tips thing, that's going to
Speaker 2: help a lot of people, No tax on social Security,
Speaker 2: no tax on overtime. He's doing what he can to say. Listen,
Speaker 2: I wanted those people that, by the way, didn't start
Speaker 2: struggling four months ago. They were struggling for years when
Speaker 2: we shut down the economy over COVID, and people never
Speaker 2: really got back up on their feet, and their kids
Speaker 2: were in remote learning, and people were just struggling to
Speaker 2: keep their businesses afloat. Nobody was really putting the pressure
Speaker 2: on the Biden administration. Then when we arbitrarily shut everything
Speaker 2: down for COVID.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, they were. People was out here raising hell.
Speaker 2: You think so they got some flying They weren't going
Speaker 2: and getting their shots and wearing their masks.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm talking about people were raising hell. That's
Speaker 1: to me, that's one of the reasons that they lost.
Speaker 1: They lost because they weren't paying attention to what people's
Speaker 1: everyday need were. They weren't paying attention to what people
Speaker 1: didn't have in their pocket. That's to me, that's the
Speaker 1: main reason they lost until your point telling people, hey,
Speaker 1: everything is fine, the economy is fine because the the
Speaker 1: stock market is up. The people I'm talking about don't
Speaker 1: have no stocks.
Speaker 2: I agree with you, now, I would also say this,
Speaker 2: there was such a stress too with millions and millions
Speaker 2: and millions of people coming into this country. That stress resources.
Speaker 2: So when you've got homeless shelters being turned into migrant facilities,
Speaker 2: when you've got migrants staying in the Roosevelt Hotel, and
Speaker 2: you've got people sleeping on the streets and people, like
Speaker 2: you said, who can't afford rent and all that, like
Speaker 2: that's infuriating. And part of that is these people. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: we feel for you, but we've got to feel for
Speaker 2: our people first, Like we've got to help our people first.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of talk about medicaid and social
Speaker 2: Security and all this and that Trump wants to take
Speaker 2: all this away. Trump has been very clear, I am
Speaker 2: not taking this away from people who need it, but
Speaker 2: the people that are abusing it, oh yeah, they're gonna
Speaker 2: lose it so that the people that need.
Speaker 1: It have it.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them be surgical about stuff like that yet,
Speaker 1: meaning that you know, they never go in with a
Speaker 1: fine tooth comb and cut where you know they're supposed
Speaker 1: to cut. They usually just go in with a chainsaw
Speaker 1: literally and just start cutting everything. So it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to believe that they're going to be surgical when
Speaker 1: it comes to medicaid.
Speaker 2: Doesn't it infuriate you though, when people say we're going
Speaker 2: to start cutting, We're going to cut things we have to,
Speaker 2: and then nobody has the balls to do it.
Speaker 1: I want the right things cut. Like See, that's the
Speaker 1: thing that even with Dolds, right, we've seen in this
Speaker 1: country the right way to do what Elon Muskin Dolge
Speaker 1: was attempting to do, and that was with Bill Clinton
Speaker 1: in the National Partnership for Reinventing Government in the nineties.
Speaker 1: They did it the right way. They went in there,
Speaker 1: they were surgical, They met with other federal workers, people
Speaker 1: that worked in the federal government. They met with you know,
Speaker 1: people who who people who understand understand what was going
Speaker 1: on in government, and they cut the right things. They
Speaker 1: didn't just go in and just start firing people.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Trump did offer people, hey, listen, if you
Speaker 2: don't want to come back to work, we'll pay you
Speaker 2: through September.
Speaker 1: That's like taking a chain sort of thing, like you
Speaker 1: got to be surgical. Like that's why they were cutting
Speaker 1: things that they need, like they were actually cutting people
Speaker 1: from the federal government that they need. Like we have
Speaker 1: a shortage of aviation worker, isn't that.
Speaker 2: Well we've had a short of shortage of aviation workers
Speaker 2: for many, many.
Speaker 1: Years and they got worse Underdults.
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of the people they were cut and
Speaker 2: I know Shann Duffy personally, the people that were cut
Speaker 2: through there. They were not people that are your air
Speaker 2: traffic controllers, They were not your pilots, they were not
Speaker 2: people in charge of that. They were extra workers. Now,
Speaker 2: nobody wants to cut anything, like nobody wants to take
Speaker 2: someone's job away. But the fact of the matter is
Speaker 2: is we are going to go bankrupt unless we cut something,
Speaker 2: so at least be honest with people, like we got
Speaker 2: to cut something, and people aren't going to like it,
Speaker 2: Like some one's gonna lose something. That's just the nature
Speaker 2: of the beast.
Speaker 1: But when you cutch something, they realize, oh, shoot, we
Speaker 1: actually need those people and try to hire those people back.
Speaker 2: That's an f up and you got to you got
Speaker 2: account for that, and Elon Muskas and I'm I'm not
Speaker 2: sitting here being an apologist for Elon musk either. By
Speaker 2: the way, I do think things should be more surgical.
Speaker 2: But when there's so much waste, fraud and abuse, and
Speaker 2: they go in and they look at this and it's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, we're walking into the house and it's
Speaker 2: probably a demo mission here, and you try to just
Speaker 2: fix one little thing at a time that like this
Speaker 2: is this is so bad that we might need to
Speaker 2: shut these entire departments down and we can reinvent them
Speaker 2: and we can reopen them, but it's so bad right now,
Speaker 2: and the drainage is so bad on our resources. We've
Speaker 2: got to, you know, cut our losses at some point
Speaker 2: and then we got to figure out what we're gonna
Speaker 2: do next. But there was so much abuse and people
Speaker 2: go into concerts and government workers renting out stadiums and
Speaker 2: caesars and like just getting away with it.
Speaker 1: Wait, then they better to measure twice, so you only
Speaker 1: have to cut once. And once again we have history
Speaker 1: that's show us this can be done the right way.
Speaker 1: And that's not a party thing. I'm just simple pointing
Speaker 1: not that Bill Clinton al gored they did it the
Speaker 1: right way. Yeah, and Elon even said one time he tweeted,
Speaker 1: what I'm doing is no different than what Clinton did
Speaker 1: in the nineties. Not true.
Speaker 2: Well, the extent of the waste fraud and abuse in
Speaker 2: the nineties is not what it is today, so there's
Speaker 2: a much different beast to tackle. It's gotten considerably worse
Speaker 2: because people realize they get out of their hand in
Speaker 2: the cookie jar and no one was looking, so it
Speaker 2: got way, way worse. I agree with you, though, there
Speaker 2: does need to be a methodical process. I think that
Speaker 2: that has in the last month. I think that's been
Speaker 2: more so the stance. You're not seeing Doge doing what
Speaker 2: Doge did on the outside. They came in very zealous
Speaker 2: and very excited. And I think they've dialed it back
Speaker 2: because Elon.
Speaker 1: Got the fuck out of it because he realized it
Speaker 1: was affecting his real bility. That's what he's still doing it.
Speaker 2: He's just not his outward on it. But I think
Speaker 2: they've dialed it back.
Speaker 1: They named a new president, right, the guy who created
Speaker 1: Project two thousand and threey five is the new head
Speaker 1: of DOTS. We got his name, though, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think so. Elon Musk is still there. I'm still
Speaker 2: working in dough. She's just taking a step back from
Speaker 2: the limelight. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We recently broke down new evidence in the Tory Lane's case, right,
Speaker 3: and you highlighted a Republican congresswoman for pushing up for
Speaker 3: his release. What do you think about conservative stepping into
Speaker 3: things like that, like the high profile celebrity cases.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there needed to be another look into that
Speaker 2: case and the new evidence that they found, and some
Speaker 2: of the evidence.
Speaker 1: That was that it's not really evidence, it's hearsay. Well,
Speaker 1: it's literally like if I was driving a car with
Speaker 1: Tommy Lauren and I say I heard what her Tommy
Speaker 1: Laurence say that she's racist and she wants everybody that's
Speaker 1: black and bron to be sent to another country. That's
Speaker 1: That's literally what this is like.
Speaker 2: But Charlie Mane, I'm really confused because if Tory Lanes
Speaker 2: actually didn't shoot at Meghan this Sallian, wouldn't you be
Speaker 2: the first person to be like, hey, this person is
Speaker 2: in jail for the wrong reason and if there's more
Speaker 2: evidence that could exonerate him.
Speaker 1: But this is my point is this isn't evidence, but
Speaker 1: it's not.
Speaker 2: Here when her best friend is given immunity, and the
Speaker 2: whole thing is that the friend is actually the one
Speaker 2: that was shooting the gun and he hit her hand
Speaker 2: down and then that's why the gun fired at the
Speaker 2: ground and hit feet. If that really happened and the
Speaker 2: person that maybe actually did it was given immunity, there's
Speaker 2: a problem.
Speaker 1: And listen, I'm not saying the course get it right
Speaker 1: all the time, all of that went through court already.
Speaker 1: Here's my problem with this, with this situation, and it's
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with Tory, make any of these
Speaker 1: people involved. It's just simply when something is presented in
Speaker 1: the court and there's actual evidence in testimony right that
Speaker 1: says this happened, why do we put hearsay? Why do
Speaker 1: we give hearsay more weight than we give that.
Speaker 2: I think you just have to take it into account.
Speaker 2: And I would think you'd be the first person to
Speaker 2: be like, hey, if somebody's in there wrongfully and there's
Speaker 2: more evidence to possibly exonerate them, we need to take
Speaker 2: a look at it.
Speaker 1: Why didn't we take it into account during the tryout?
Speaker 2: A guy I can tell you exactly why, because George Gascon,
Speaker 2: who is the now. He was facing two recall attempts, right,
Speaker 2: and he was desperate to show that he could do
Speaker 2: a big, high profile case. And if you put Tory
Speaker 2: Lanes behind bars with enhancements for ten years, you look
Speaker 2: good and it's like all and especially when you're doing
Speaker 2: it on behalf of a mega celebrity like Megan the
Speaker 2: Stallion who has a much bigger following than Tory Lane's
Speaker 2: and much bigger profile. So George Gascon who doesn't want
Speaker 2: to put anybody in jail. By the way, then slap
Speaker 2: is a ten year sentence on Tory Lanes and you
Speaker 2: give immunity to the friend with a jury.
Speaker 1: It was a jury, a jury, a jury, a jury
Speaker 1: decided Tory Lanes feed, not just the judge.
Speaker 2: Well, but there was enhancements by the DA so and
Speaker 2: enhancements are unheard of. But what I'm saying, I don't
Speaker 2: know when you enhance the crime ten years for what
Speaker 2: he's accused of, When you when you add extra onto it,
Speaker 2: and you add enhancements do to the nature of the crime,
Speaker 2: and you're not willing to do that in many other cases,
Speaker 2: it's like, what are you throwing the book at this guy?
Speaker 1: I didn't think that was throwing the book at him.
Speaker 2: He threw the book at him.
Speaker 1: For shooting, if he did, if he threw the s
Speaker 1: at him.
Speaker 2: And first of all, it's hard to go to jail
Speaker 2: in LA And the whole thing on this is this
Speaker 2: you need to everyone involved because it all actually is here,
Speaker 2: Shay at the end of the day, isn't it If
Speaker 2: you're at a house party and it's like, well, she
Speaker 2: said that he shot, and he said, if you have listen, if.
Speaker 1: Tory Lanez didn't do this, I'd pray he comes home.
Speaker 1: But when you have actual evidence, you know him making
Speaker 1: a phone call from jail apologizing for whatever happened that night.
Speaker 1: You know eye witnessed that said they saw him do it,
Speaker 1: plus the person who got actually shot saying he did it,
Speaker 1: finding the gun in the car. The DNA was inconclusive,
Speaker 1: right because they said it was a male DNA and
Speaker 1: female DNA on the gun. If you have all of that,
Speaker 1: you can see.
Speaker 2: Why do anything conclusive? Though? Isn't there some room for
Speaker 2: doubt there if there's both DNA on that gun and
Speaker 2: he and his story is listen, this other person is
Speaker 2: shooting and I'm hitting their arm and this is what happened.
Speaker 2: He's not saying that nobody. You know that he wasn't
Speaker 2: at fault at all.
Speaker 1: Why not tell that story in court? And the driver
Speaker 1: that's that they overheard Kelsey say that during the trial.
Speaker 1: Why didn't that driver say something then? And what reason
Speaker 1: would Torri have to protect Kelsey? And what reason would
Speaker 1: Meg have to protect Kelsey? Why wouldn't Megan.
Speaker 2: Say a friend not after you shoot me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's your friend right there. If he shoots you,
Speaker 1: you telling yeah?
Speaker 2: But maybe if there's a dispute there. And I don't
Speaker 2: know because I wasn't there, like obviously Tommy wasn't there.
Speaker 2: But my thing is, if there's more evidence, let's take
Speaker 2: a look at it, because we don't need an innocent
Speaker 2: person rotting in jail who was nearly killed two weeks ago.
Speaker 2: If there's evidence to suggest that we miss something here,
Speaker 2: let's take a look at it.
Speaker 1: Is he say evidence though? If you're in the car
Speaker 1: with a driver today Tommy and a driver says I
Speaker 1: overheard Tommy Lawrence saying X, Y and Z. How much
Speaker 1: creedi should we?
Speaker 2: Why were we not? Why were we not testing for
Speaker 2: gun reside? On everybody's hands why And if the DNA
Speaker 2: is inconclusive and there's two sides of a story here,
Speaker 2: I don't I think the whole thing ends up being here,
Speaker 2: say doesn't it? So let's take a look. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that I can tell you he didn't do it.
Speaker 2: I wasn't there. But if there's more to take a
Speaker 2: look at, I don't think that someone should be riding
Speaker 2: in jail for ten years getting stabbed and possibly killed.
Speaker 2: If there's more evidence, let's just take a look at it.
Speaker 2: That's all. That's all we're saying. And I actually think
Speaker 2: that a Republican stepping into that void and saying there
Speaker 2: could be a man in jail that shouldn't be and
Speaker 2: saying I want to take a look at it and
Speaker 2: put eyeballs on it. Republicans aren't really known for doing that,
Speaker 2: So congratulations to her for doing it, right, I think,
Speaker 2: just take a look at it.
Speaker 1: Has anybody ever told you that your commentary endangered in
Speaker 1: real life?
Speaker 2: Not in real life? People say a lot on the internet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if so, what responsibility you think you would be
Speaker 1: it for that?
Speaker 2: Do you think that your free speech that you should
Speaker 2: be held accountable for everything that everybody does? Because they
Speaker 2: hear you say something. Depends Yeah, I can't think of anything,
Speaker 2: and maybe I'm wrong that I have said that would
Speaker 2: endanger somebody. I've never called for violence against anybody. I've
Speaker 2: never you know, if people don't like what I say, okay,
Speaker 2: But and if people agree with me and then they're
Speaker 2: deranged and they do something, that's not on me anymore
Speaker 2: than it would be on you if someone agreed with
Speaker 2: you and then they wanted to carry out something because
Speaker 2: they heard you say something and they're deranged and took
Speaker 2: it the wrong way. I don't think I say anything
Speaker 2: to endanger people. And if I've ever said anything that
Speaker 2: I take back, I will apologize for it. I have
Speaker 2: no pride in like if, hey, if I said something
Speaker 2: and I set it off the cuff and I was
Speaker 2: really heated at the time and it was taken out
Speaker 2: of context, I'll be happy to say, well, let me
Speaker 2: correct the record on that, or let me take a
Speaker 2: step back on that. I'm want so prideful that I'm like, Nope,
Speaker 2: I'm right all the time, and everything I say is gospel.
Speaker 2: I got that's ridiculous for any of us to say that.
Speaker 3: It's my last question, how do you protect your piece, right,
Speaker 3: because when people see Tommy right, they can just see
Speaker 3: the commentator right, and they like the controversial part of you.
Speaker 3: But you're still a person first, like just a person first?
Speaker 3: How do you protect your piece? Do you ever get
Speaker 3: stressed out in that way that people only see some
Speaker 3: people can't look fast who you are, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, like on your show or like what you're
Speaker 3: known for. Does that have a bother you or people
Speaker 3: who don't? They just see you for what you do,
Speaker 3: like the commentator, the fearless, the boldness. How do you
Speaker 3: protect your piece with that?
Speaker 1: First of all? Do you get stressed?
Speaker 3: And then if so, how do you protect your piece?
Speaker 2: Sorry, you gotta have a thick skin. You know it,
Speaker 2: you know it. You can't be in this business and
Speaker 2: be fragile. No, you just can't. And people are some
Speaker 2: people are just not going to like you. And I
Speaker 2: could sit here and I could say anything, and I
Speaker 2: could do anything, and people some people are just not
Speaker 2: going to like me, and I have to accept that,
Speaker 2: and that's okay. But I really have learned and not
Speaker 2: care so much what people think, especially if they've never
Speaker 2: met me before. That's my take on it. If you've
Speaker 2: met me and you're like, I don't like her, she's
Speaker 2: a bitch. Okay, But if you've never met me, just
Speaker 2: take the chance. And some people are never going to
Speaker 2: get the opportunity to understand that nobody's ever going to
Speaker 2: meet you and have their personal opinion. I like to
Speaker 2: think and I believe that if people meet me like
Speaker 2: we're doing today, that they can be like, oh, you
Speaker 2: know what, I disagree with her, but she's not like
Speaker 2: this monster. I wish we could talk more to each
Speaker 2: other because I think if we stop villainizing people based
Speaker 2: on what they do for a living or the opinions
Speaker 2: that they have, I feel like we could come together
Speaker 2: as a country and just say, yeah, we agree to disagree,
Speaker 2: but I don't hate that person. I don't wish bad
Speaker 2: things on that person. I hope we're getting there, and
Speaker 2: I think more conversations like this help us to get there.
Speaker 1: Do you think I only got a couple more questions?
Speaker 1: Do you think like the conservative movement, even the liberal
Speaker 1: movement more so? I guess on like cable news network.
Speaker 1: Do you think they're more concerned with influencing policy or
Speaker 1: just going viral?
Speaker 2: I think there are people that are interested in going viral. Sure,
Speaker 2: people are making money off of it now, Like when
Speaker 2: I started doing it, I wasn't making money off of it,
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't getting ad share revenue off of it,
Speaker 2: and I wasn't on X trying to do the engagement
Speaker 2: farming so I could get my check from X every month.
Speaker 2: So I was just doing it because I really felt it.
Speaker 2: There are people now that realize there is money in it.
Speaker 2: So you can say crazy things and you can get
Speaker 2: a lot of clicks and people will talk about you,
Speaker 2: But you got to live with yourself at night if
Speaker 2: you're doing it for that reason, and if you're just
Speaker 2: doing it to get the attention, and people can see
Speaker 2: through it. I think people are so good at detecting
Speaker 2: bs at this point, and they can tell when someone's
Speaker 2: not genuine and they're just saying it to say it
Speaker 2: or to go viral. But I don't feel the people
Speaker 2: that I work with at Fox are very meaningful with
Speaker 2: what they say. And I feel that the.
Speaker 1: People that I want, some of them are just funny.
Speaker 1: Jesse Watter is just entertaining.
Speaker 2: He's fun.
Speaker 1: But do I believe Jesse believes the things he says? Yes?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think he's just up to being entertained.
Speaker 1: I know Gutfield is just being entertain but.
Speaker 2: They're having fun and that's okay. But I don't think
Speaker 2: that specifically the people that I work with, I don't
Speaker 2: think they're doing it to go viral. I really don't.
Speaker 2: And and at Fox it's like the people that have
Speaker 2: been doing this for twenty years, they don't want viral.
Speaker 2: Is like they know what it is, but they're not.
Speaker 2: You know, Sean Hannity's not like, let me go viral.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think Sean's trying to go viral, do you.
Speaker 1: You said you were doing it at one time, though, No.
Speaker 2: I said when I was going viral, I wasn't making
Speaker 2: money off of it. It wasn't like let me say
Speaker 2: this so I can go viral and make money or
Speaker 2: get influenced. I was saying things that I felt and
Speaker 2: it went viral. But I never did it like let
Speaker 2: me say this to go viral.
Speaker 1: Today, I think when you know that when you commentate
Speaker 1: on certain aspects of the culture, especially black culture, you
Speaker 1: know that it's gonna cause a lot of people to
Speaker 1: start engaging with you.
Speaker 2: Sure, but engaging is fine. Starting a dialogue is fine.
Speaker 2: I think we should start it out. That's why we
Speaker 2: do what we do. If nobody's having a conversation based
Speaker 2: on what you say, you probably shouldn't do this for
Speaker 2: a living. Like if you just go on and you're like,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna have a mediocre day today, and I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna say things that are right down the middle
Speaker 2: and not piss anyone off, you probably shouldn't be in
Speaker 2: the talk show business, or the radio business, or any business.
Speaker 2: But I don't say things. I guess the point I'm
Speaker 2: trying to make is I've never said anything that I
Speaker 2: don't believe for the purpose of going viral or making
Speaker 2: a headline or a SoundBite. I've never done that once.
Speaker 2: And I've taken real it's from my side of the
Speaker 2: aisle for things that I've said that didn't go along
Speaker 2: to get along, So I take it from both sides,
Speaker 2: and like there's a for me. There's not a calculation
Speaker 2: that goes into it.
Speaker 1: Have you ever changed your mind?
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm sure I've changed my mind. I go valls
Speaker 2: on things absolutely. You know, and when you you're in
Speaker 2: this business and you're in it for long enough, like
Speaker 2: you realize, oh, Wow, some of the stuff that I
Speaker 2: said when I was twenty four, you know, maybe I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say today at thirty two. You just you learn
Speaker 2: and you grow in the business.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had to alter your personal choices and
Speaker 1: beliefs to protect your image from a base that judges
Speaker 1: women harshly?
Speaker 2: Well, people say really nasty stuff to women. So it's
Speaker 2: not fun when people pick on your looks or they
Speaker 2: pick on everything about you or oh you you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit there and correct everyone that's like,
Speaker 2: oh you had a nose job. I didn't have a
Speaker 2: nose job. But if you want to think I had
Speaker 2: a nose job whatever. I mean, it's if women take
Speaker 2: it just in much different way than men. Like they
Speaker 2: don't pick on what men wear, they don't pick on
Speaker 2: how they're just women. It's like, oh, yeah, this is
Speaker 2: why is she wearing this? She's ugly? Why you know,
Speaker 2: why is she wear that? Or why is her makeup?
Speaker 2: Like that's fine.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm saying conservatives. A lot of conservatives I hate,
Speaker 1: I really do hate saying conservative liberal, But I really
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of conservatives feel like women have
Speaker 1: a place.
Speaker 2: Do you think so? Yeah, absolutely, I would say there
Speaker 2: are a lot of women in the Trump administration right
Speaker 2: now that are in very high roles that are not
Speaker 2: in the place that maybe old conservatism would say that
Speaker 2: they would be in because they're running things like women
Speaker 2: are really running this administration.
Speaker 1: I think, do you think conservative media elevates fewer women
Speaker 1: the real power?
Speaker 2: Not at all? When I most of the people at
Speaker 2: my network are women in high places. Are CEO is
Speaker 2: of woman a woman?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, and she's okay. So what about like I
Speaker 1: guess for prime Time, like Lourer Ingram is the only
Speaker 1: one that has the show on.
Speaker 2: Well lour Ingram, but I mean if you if you
Speaker 2: look at our lineup, I mean on right now would
Speaker 2: probably be Harris Faulkner, who has her own show, and
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna go sit with her and Outnumbered and
Speaker 2: that's all women and one man. And then after that
Speaker 2: is America Reports co anchored by a man and a woman,
Speaker 2: and then you go into you know, Will Caine, and
Speaker 2: then you go into The Five, which is mixed group
Speaker 2: of people, and then you go into Brett Baer, and
Speaker 2: then you go into Laura Jesse and Sean Yeah, like
Speaker 2: we don't say, oh we need women here and women,
Speaker 2: but we have like a very good mix and at
Speaker 2: my network. When you walk in the people that are
Speaker 2: running the things, whether the producers senior, they are women.
Speaker 2: I promise you they are women. Women get things done everywhere,
Speaker 2: but it Fox women get things done absolutely.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you fell under the radar a
Speaker 3: little bit because the people who now have a candie owns, Oh.
Speaker 1: That's a good question.
Speaker 2: See, but I don't. Maybe we're motivated by different things.
Speaker 2: I don't know what she's motivated by. I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 2: We're not friends more more than not friends. We're not friends.
Speaker 2: We're not friendly. You don't fuck with her, you don't
Speaker 2: like her, We're not friendly. I haven't spoken to her
Speaker 2: in years and years and years.
Speaker 1: I did speak before, well in the.
Speaker 2: Business we have, but we've never been friendly. Got her
Speaker 2: and I have never been friendly. I don't know she's
Speaker 2: gonna do her thing.
Speaker 1: It was like a Caitlin clark Ain's Oh I don't
Speaker 1: think so.
Speaker 2: I just we just are not we're not friendly. We're
Speaker 2: just not friends and that's fine. And she says some
Speaker 2: crazy stuff sometimes that I really disagree with. I don't
Speaker 2: like a lot of her commentary. I like some of it,
Speaker 2: you know, I like some of your commentary, and I
Speaker 2: don't like others whatever. But my motivations are very I
Speaker 2: think my monovations are different. I don't know, because that's
Speaker 2: that's her motivations are hers. I can't tell you what
Speaker 2: they are. I would never claim to know what someone's
Speaker 2: intentions are. I don't say things to be controversial for
Speaker 2: the purpose of being controversial, to go viral, to say
Speaker 2: things that and maybe she'd and she probably does, believe them.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying she doesn't believe them. I don't do that.
Speaker 1: You feel like she does though what you're saying, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know why she does it, Like I really
Speaker 2: could not tell you. And I would never sit here
Speaker 2: and say, well, I know why someone does something, because
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I haven't spoken to her in
Speaker 2: many years. Off her and I were sit down, I'd
Speaker 2: be like, hey, do you and she would ask me
Speaker 2: probably the same thing, Hey do you believe everything you're saying? Yes?
Speaker 2: I do, And I asked her, she'd probably say yes,
Speaker 2: I do. You know. There could be many women that
Speaker 2: have platforms. By the way, I think that there's this
Speaker 2: notion that there can only be like two women in
Speaker 2: conservative media. I want there to be one hundred women
Speaker 2: in conservative media with large platforms, and in liberal media,
Speaker 2: and in between media and people who don't do politics
Speaker 2: and media. I want everybody to have a voice, and
Speaker 2: the more voices that we have, the more choices people have.
Speaker 2: So I think that that's all part of the conversation.
Speaker 1: Well, Tommy Laurence, make sure you check her out on
Speaker 1: Fearless on OutKick dot com. When does fear Let's come
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Speaker 1: every day on OutKick dot com. And you can check
Speaker 1: your commentary out on Fox. Yes, sir, all right, Tommy,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us, Thanks for having me. It's
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club.