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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up. In the morning the Breakfast Club yeps, well,

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Speaker 1: the most Dangerous Morning to show to Breakfast Club Shawla,

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Speaker 1: the God Jess Hilarious. DJ Nvy is off to day,

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Speaker 1: but we got a special guest in the building, the

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Speaker 1: host of Tommy Lauren is Fearless on OutKick dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Tommy Lauren is here. Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. It's been a long time coming.

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Speaker 2: So I'm so happy that you had me, and I

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Speaker 2: hope that we can have a nice discussion. I love

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Speaker 2: the dialogue. As you know, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Supposed to be here. Back in the day, day, way

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Speaker 1: back in the day, was the same day when you

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Speaker 1: and Trevor Nolan everybody.

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Speaker 2: Gives the day after the Daily Show the situation slash

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Speaker 2: debacle slash milestone. I guess we'll call it that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Tommy, are you a racist?

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Speaker 2: I sure am not. Yeah, thank you for asking, though,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate just coming in hot just right off the bat.

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Speaker 2: But I'm glad we could clear that up and then

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Speaker 2: now we can move forward. There we go. You get

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Speaker 2: that off, you know, not so much anymore. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that the time of me being accused of that has dissipated.

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Speaker 2: But you know, hey, listen, I appreciate the question. I'm

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Speaker 2: an open book and I hope after our time together

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Speaker 2: you will see that for yourself. But thank you for

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Speaker 2: asking what have you.

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Speaker 1: Been up to? That was a question that people were asking.

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Speaker 1: They was like, you know, where's Tommy.

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Speaker 2: Lauren been doing my thing? You know, doing my thing

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Speaker 2: on Fox. We've been through a couple elections since you

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Speaker 2: and I last spoke. This one went more my direction,

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Speaker 2: I would say, as the last one did. When we

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Speaker 2: know we're talking. Previously, during Trump Edmund one and you

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Speaker 2: open to seeing what the president had to offer. And

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Speaker 2: you know, now we've got a few years separating that

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Speaker 2: and now, and I'm personally I'm happy with with everything

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Speaker 1: So really honest assessment.

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Speaker 2: Now, I promise you this. If there comes a time

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Speaker 2: where this administration does something that I don't like, I'm

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Speaker 2: happy to say it. And I don't know if you've

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Speaker 2: seen over the years, but I've taken a beating for

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Speaker 2: going against the right, and I was fire for going

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Speaker 2: I don't work for the Trump administration. If they do

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Speaker 2: that's not my thing. Right now, I'm happy we'll see you. Know,

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Speaker 1: Well, you were fired from the Blaze after saying you

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Speaker 1: support a woman's right to choose. Did that moment did

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Speaker 1: you not realize in that moment that the movement that

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Speaker 1: you promote doesn't really allow true freedom of thought, because

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Speaker 1: allow true freedom of thought, all freedom of speech.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you this. That particular network didn't like it,

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Speaker 2: I'm someone who really believes in freedom. I don't like

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Speaker 2: And I was very forthright about that. Some people didn't

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like a president should uh hold the Constitution?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely their duty.

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Speaker 1: Yes. So when you see him on Meet the President,

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Speaker 1: he's asked that question. President Trump, he's asked that question

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Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, when he was asked that question,

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Speaker 2: Now that's gonna end up being decided by the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: So I respect him when he says that, he's not

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Speaker 2: So he when he said that about the Constitution, he

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Speaker 1: There is actual due process language in the Constitution though,

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Speaker 1: yeah to mecause everybody does have the right to do process.

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Speaker 2: so there's going to be a different process for you

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Speaker 2: the privilege of being in this country. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: Illegally, yes, but the still says you're allowed to process. Now,

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Speaker 2: But why did nobody take any issue during the Obama

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Speaker 1: I've always asked that question as to my knowledge that

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Speaker 2: No, but an immigration court said yes, you're up for deportation.

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Speaker 2: But the Obama administration didn't give them this extra due

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Speaker 2: if you go through the courts, that's due process exactly,

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Speaker 1: The guy from Maryland didn't go go go through due process.

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Speaker 2: Two courts actually not only said that he was gang affiliated.

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Speaker 1: But that has nothing to do with due process all that.

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Speaker 2: But two courts already said you're gang affiliated and you're

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Speaker 2: an illegal immigrant. I mean, there's no dispute that he's

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Speaker 1: But that has nothing to do with his due process.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, but that has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: his due process. That just means that he has committed

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Speaker 2: So do you want him to go in front of

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Speaker 2: get what you're saying about the due process.

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Speaker 1: I understand that's literally the only conversation. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with the due process that he's allowed

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Speaker 1: within the constitution. What do you think about Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: taking the plane? Constitution also says you can't do that either.

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Speaker 2: That's another again, that's another great area. I'm not a lawyer,

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Speaker 2: is that well, because here's the deal, I understand and

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not fully saying I even support it.

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Speaker 2: I see the present position. Hey, if they're going to

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Speaker 2: give us this plane, otherwise taxpayers are going to pay

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Speaker 2: they don't have it ready for us. They were supposed

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Speaker 2: we should do it. Save the people some money. Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump doesn't look at things like a typical politician. He

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Speaker 1: You want to see me. Pushed back on that one,

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Speaker 3: Often classified as like controversial, that's how people describe you.

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Speaker 2: I would say I'm much like you two in that regard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's why we have the asylum process, and

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Speaker 2: But I think when you see Angel reason the way

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Speaker 2: she reacts to specifically Caitlin Clark, I think it's hard

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Speaker 2: to dispute that she dislikes Caitlin Clark. And it's okay

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Speaker 2: if she does, Like, you're not gonna like everybody.

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Speaker 1: Well, last night the Fever played. I think they played

437
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Dream. What did the dream let me make

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Speaker 1: sure it was the dream. I just know her and

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Speaker 1: Ryan Howard got it was a dream. I think, so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a dream. And she got into it with

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Speaker 1: Ryan Howard and they had words back and forth and

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Speaker 1: they had to hold Ryan back and Caitlyn said, I'm

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Speaker 1: not scared of you. That's just competitive nobody. There's no

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Speaker 1: narrative this morning that Ryan hates Caitlin. I just think

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Speaker 1: it's the rivalry thing between Caitlyn and Angel and we're

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Speaker 1: just not used to seeing that in women's basketball.

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Speaker 2: We're not. And maybe it's good for the sport. It's

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Speaker 2: bringing eyes to it. So finally women get you know,

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Speaker 2: women I have been dumped on, in my opinion for

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Speaker 2: the last five years and had sports hijacked, and they've

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Speaker 2: you know, they they haven't had their their due, and

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Speaker 2: now they're being talked about. So you know what, if

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Speaker 2: Angel Reese is playing it up to get eyeballs, good

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Speaker 2: for her speaking.

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Speaker 1: Of that, because you know, we just talked about both

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Speaker 1: of us being villains. Do you have a worry that

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Speaker 1: your brand depends more on outrage than solutions?

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Speaker 2: No? No, maybe early on we evolve, We all evolve.

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Speaker 2: I think I don't think any more people would say

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Speaker 2: that about me. Maybe some would, maybe you would, but

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Speaker 2: I don't think so anymore. I don't try to outrage people.

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Speaker 2: I just have conversations and I say things that I'm thinking,

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Speaker 2: and not everybody likes it, but welcome to what we

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Speaker 2: do for a living. You know, if you have an

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Speaker 2: opinion and you stand by it, there are gonna people

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Speaker 2: that don't like it. But I don't think I do

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Speaker 2: it to outrage people. And I also, to my side,

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Speaker 2: I don't do it to appease people either. So I

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Speaker 2: think we're all probably in that boat in doing what

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Speaker 2: we do.

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Speaker 1: We'll not find interesting about conservative media, especially the people

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Speaker 1: they call conservative fire brands. They do offer solutions, it's

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Speaker 1: just that the solutions you usually offer calls outreage because

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Speaker 1: people don't agree with the which said solutions. So what

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Speaker 1: do you say to that, Well.

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Speaker 2: On the other side, wouldn't it be the same thing, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I think it's it's both ways. People are not

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Speaker 2: going to like the way you go about things every time.

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Speaker 2: That's why we have two different parties and we have

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Speaker 2: a party in the middle. Nobody's gonna like everything Democrats

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Speaker 2: do or Republicans do. Someone's gonna be mad, But it's

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Speaker 2: better to do something than to do nothing. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's my whole thing with the Trump administration. People

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Speaker 2: might not like what he's doing, but he ran on

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Speaker 2: it and he's doing exactly what he said he was

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Speaker 2: going to do, and you might not like it, but

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Speaker 2: he's not doing anything different than what he's explicitly said,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do this, and now he's doing it.

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Speaker 2: And the status call wasn't working. People were not happy

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Speaker 2: with it, So maybe we're going to do something different

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Speaker 2: and people aren't gonna like it. But I think the

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Speaker 2: worst thing is just doing nothing at all.

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Speaker 1: But there was a lot of people who said he

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Speaker 1: never really do these things, like he would never implement,

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Speaker 1: you know, these tariffs, he would never do these mass depotations.

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Speaker 1: Like there was literally people who would hear him say

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Speaker 1: these things and didn't say, no, he's not really going

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Speaker 1: to do that.

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Speaker 2: They didn't learn the first time that he's gonna donna

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Speaker 2: what he said he's gonna do.

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Speaker 1: When somebody shows you who they are, believed him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And some people don't like it, but I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like the fact that I voted for someone and

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Speaker 2: they're doing exactly what they said that they were going

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Speaker 2: to do. When people voted for Joe Biden. I don't

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Speaker 2: think they voted for Joe Biden thinking I'm going to

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Speaker 2: open the borders and allow ten to maybe fifteen million

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Speaker 2: people come into this country unvetted, largely unvetted. I don't

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Speaker 2: think people would have voted for that. You know, like,

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Speaker 2: be honest if you're going to run on that, and

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Speaker 2: you're like, hey, I respect democrats that are like open

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Speaker 2: the borders, that's what I want. Okay, well, at least

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Speaker 2: people can vote on that, but don't tell me you're

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Speaker 2: going to do something and then do the complete opposite.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden ran as a moderate. He was anything but moderate,

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Speaker 2: so he fooled a lot of people. I would argue,

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Speaker 2: Trump's doing exactly what he said, and if you didn't

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Speaker 2: believe him, like, maybe that's on you, But I did you.

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Speaker 1: Know, you talk about women's rights and you say you

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Speaker 1: support women's rights, but the conservative movement actively works the

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Speaker 1: script reproductive freedom. So what rights do you believe women

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Speaker 1: actually deserve?

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Speaker 2: Well, I would like women to be able to play

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Speaker 2: their sports without men hijacking them and taking away their

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Speaker 2: accolades and their accomplishments. So it's hard for me when

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Speaker 2: the when the left talks about women's rights and they

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Speaker 2: only want to talk about abortion, but they don't want

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Speaker 2: to talk about women's sports and spaces. We can have

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Speaker 2: both conversations.

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Speaker 1: I think Wade is way more important women's sports, even

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Speaker 1: though I don't want men playing in women's sports. But

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Speaker 1: I think that a woman's right to choose should always

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Speaker 1: be a woman's right to choose. That shouldn't be scripted

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Speaker 1: away from the well.

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Speaker 2: Do you notice that the left have been very quiet

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Speaker 2: about Trump's abortion bands since he was elected. Wasn't that

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Speaker 2: the big concern before he was elected is that he

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Speaker 2: was going to take away abortion. I haven't heard anything

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Speaker 2: about that. In fact, there are more abortions now than

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Speaker 2: there were under Roe v.

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Speaker 1: Wade because people can't afford to have kids cause the Trump.

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Speaker 2: Four months he's made everything unaccordable. He came in everything,

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Speaker 2: and then four months later everything's gone down.

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Speaker 1: Those have the economy up, Tommy, we got it. Some

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Speaker 1: things we have to admit because they're right there in

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Speaker 1: our faith.

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Speaker 2: I say, trust the process on tariffs, and if they

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Speaker 2: don't work, we'll have that discussion.

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Speaker 1: But how long is the process, like and to your point,

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Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump and Elon Musk both said there

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Speaker 1: was going to be a lot of pain right because

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Speaker 1: of these things that they were going to implement. But

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Speaker 1: people can't afford that, Like you got sixty percent of

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Speaker 1: the country is living check the check. So how long

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Speaker 1: is this process is going to be? Well a lot

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Speaker 1: of hand I can hand it, but most people can't.

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Speaker 2: Well, there there is a pause on the tariffs, so

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Speaker 2: we worked out a deal with China. There's going to

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Speaker 2: be more deals to come. Here's my thing. President Trump

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Speaker 2: is saying, we've been getting screwed by the rest of

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Speaker 2: the world, ripped off, and we're not going to get

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Speaker 2: ripped off anymore. So countries are coming to the table

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Speaker 2: and they're going to make deals that are better and

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Speaker 2: they're not going to be one hundred and fifty five

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Speaker 2: percent tariffs. They're going to make deals and then it's

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Speaker 2: going to be more fair for everybody. We're going to

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Speaker 2: bring down the cost of prescription drugs, which is going

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Speaker 2: to help people right now, the big beautiful bill, no

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Speaker 2: tax on tips, so and extending the Trump tax cuts

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Speaker 2: which benefit eighty percent of Americans. So there are going

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Speaker 2: to be things within this administration, they're going to alleviate

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Speaker 2: some of the short term pain that tariffs would cause.

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Speaker 2: This president is dedicated to that. I've never seen somebody

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Speaker 2: who cares more about the middle class, working man and

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Speaker 2: woman than President Trump. He is willing to piss off

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Speaker 2: Wall Street, big Pharma, everybody to try to benefit the

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Speaker 2: American people. I respect that, and a lot of people

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Speaker 2: say they're going to do it, and they haven't done it.

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Speaker 2: The prescription drug thing, how many people have told us

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Speaker 2: we're going to get down the price of prescription drugs,

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Speaker 2: and they did not want to piss off big farmers,

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Speaker 2: so they never did it. And that goes to our

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Speaker 2: members of Congress as well. They never did anything. And

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Speaker 2: Trump said, oh, why are we paying this and this

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Speaker 2: country's paying this when the companies that are making it

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Speaker 2: are in our country. No, we're not doing that anymore.

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Speaker 2: I got to respect that he's looking out for the

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Speaker 2: American people, and that's everybody who's paying way too high

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Speaker 2: prices for prescription drugs.

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Speaker 1: I would like for all of this stuff to work,

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Speaker 1: but I disagree that he's looking out for the middle

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Speaker 1: class and the working class because he literally tells the

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Speaker 1: middle class and the working class that you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: you're going to have to do it out for a while,

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Speaker 1: and you know your kids are going to have to

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Speaker 1: have less toys. He doesn't say that to the rich

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Speaker 1: at all. The rich kid, big tacitly at Wall Street?

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Speaker 2: Do your point on tariffs? Like the people that were

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Speaker 2: I understand that there are a lot of people that

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Speaker 2: have their four own case the retirement that we're really

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Speaker 2: worried about Wall Street, But primarily the Wall Street folks

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Speaker 2: that he really pissed off with the tariffs. Those are

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Speaker 2: really wealthy people, so he wasn't afraid to piss them.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what makes him back off. I think

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Speaker 1: is those people. I think when they get mad at

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Speaker 1: him is when he decided, oh I don't think.

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Speaker 2: He cares at all. I do. I And when you

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Speaker 2: say the short term pain, I understand what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: but it's the honesty. You know, during the Biden years,

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Speaker 2: they told us it's actually not that bad, the prices

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Speaker 2: actually aren't up, you're actually not struggling, And people were

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Speaker 2: offended by that because they're like, no, we are struggling.

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Speaker 2: President Trump is saying because of these tariffs and me

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Speaker 2: trying to completely rearrange our economic system. There's going to

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Speaker 2: be some short term pain because other countries are going

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Speaker 2: to try to be big and bold for a few

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Speaker 2: minutes here, but they're going to come to the table

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Speaker 2: because they need us more than we need them. So

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Speaker 2: what he's not saying is like, oh, screw you, I

620
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Speaker 2: can handle it. You can't. You just pay higher prices.

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Speaker 2: He's saying, let this work, and if we would all

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Speaker 2: join together and let it work. These countries China can't

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Speaker 2: sustain this trade war. They can't. They need us more

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Speaker 2: than we need them. So he's putting the pinch on them.

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Speaker 2: They will come to the table, and I am very

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Speaker 2: confident we will end up something better than we started with.

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Speaker 1: For the American people, that sounds good. But when a

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Speaker 1: person has rent due and they can't pay it and

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Speaker 1: they get evicted, what are they going to do? Where

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Speaker 1: are they going to go? Like all of this stuff

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Speaker 1: sounds good, but we're talking about people who have immediate

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Speaker 1: needs that need to be met right now. They can't

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Speaker 1: even afford a little bit of pain, and there's not

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Speaker 1: a relief to, you know, help get through that. While

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Speaker 1: we have to weather this.

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Speaker 2: Storm right why And I understand that point, and I

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Speaker 2: understand what you're saying, and I think he's doing ever

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Speaker 2: he can to try to help people. I'd also say

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Speaker 2: this the no tax on tips thing, that's going to

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Speaker 2: help a lot of people, No tax on social Security,

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Speaker 2: no tax on overtime. He's doing what he can to say. Listen,

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Speaker 2: I wanted those people that, by the way, didn't start

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Speaker 2: struggling four months ago. They were struggling for years when

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Speaker 2: we shut down the economy over COVID, and people never

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Speaker 2: really got back up on their feet, and their kids

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Speaker 2: were in remote learning, and people were just struggling to

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Speaker 2: keep their businesses afloat. Nobody was really putting the pressure

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Speaker 2: on the Biden administration. Then when we arbitrarily shut everything

649
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Speaker 2: down for COVID.

650
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, they were. People was out here raising hell.

651
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: You think so they got some flying They weren't going

652
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: and getting their shots and wearing their masks.

653
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Speaker 1: No, No, I'm talking about people were raising hell. That's

654
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: to me, that's one of the reasons that they lost.

655
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: They lost because they weren't paying attention to what people's

656
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: everyday need were. They weren't paying attention to what people

657
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: didn't have in their pocket. That's to me, that's the

658
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: main reason they lost until your point telling people, hey,

659
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: everything is fine, the economy is fine because the the

660
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: stock market is up. The people I'm talking about don't

661
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: have no stocks.

662
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: I agree with you, now, I would also say this,

663
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: there was such a stress too with millions and millions

664
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: and millions of people coming into this country. That stress resources.

665
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: So when you've got homeless shelters being turned into migrant facilities,

666
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: when you've got migrants staying in the Roosevelt Hotel, and

667
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: you've got people sleeping on the streets and people, like

668
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: you said, who can't afford rent and all that, like

669
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: that's infuriating. And part of that is these people. I'm sorry,

670
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: we feel for you, but we've got to feel for

671
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: our people first, Like we've got to help our people first.

672
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of talk about medicaid and social

673
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: Security and all this and that Trump wants to take

674
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: all this away. Trump has been very clear, I am

675
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: not taking this away from people who need it, but

676
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: the people that are abusing it, oh yeah, they're gonna

677
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: lose it so that the people that need.

678
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Speaker 1: It have it.

679
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: There.

680
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them be surgical about stuff like that yet,

681
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: meaning that you know, they never go in with a

682
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: fine tooth comb and cut where you know they're supposed

683
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: to cut. They usually just go in with a chainsaw

684
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: literally and just start cutting everything. So it's hard for

685
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: me to believe that they're going to be surgical when

686
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: it comes to medicaid.

687
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: Doesn't it infuriate you though, when people say we're going

688
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: to start cutting, We're going to cut things we have to,

689
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: and then nobody has the balls to do it.

690
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: I want the right things cut. Like See, that's the

691
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: thing that even with Dolds, right, we've seen in this

692
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: country the right way to do what Elon Muskin Dolge

693
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: was attempting to do, and that was with Bill Clinton

694
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: in the National Partnership for Reinventing Government in the nineties.

695
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: They did it the right way. They went in there,

696
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: they were surgical, They met with other federal workers, people

697
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: that worked in the federal government. They met with you know,

698
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: people who who people who understand understand what was going

699
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: on in government, and they cut the right things. They

700
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: didn't just go in and just start firing people.

701
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Trump did offer people, hey, listen, if you

702
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: don't want to come back to work, we'll pay you

703
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: through September.

704
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Speaker 1: That's like taking a chain sort of thing, like you

705
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: got to be surgical. Like that's why they were cutting

706
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: things that they need, like they were actually cutting people

707
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: from the federal government that they need. Like we have

708
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: a shortage of aviation worker, isn't that.

709
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: Well we've had a short of shortage of aviation workers

710
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: for many, many.

711
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: Years and they got worse Underdults.

712
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Speaker 2: Well, a lot of the people they were cut and

713
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: I know Shann Duffy personally, the people that were cut

714
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: through there. They were not people that are your air

715
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: traffic controllers, They were not your pilots, they were not

716
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: people in charge of that. They were extra workers. Now,

717
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: nobody wants to cut anything, like nobody wants to take

718
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: someone's job away. But the fact of the matter is

719
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: is we are going to go bankrupt unless we cut something,

720
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: so at least be honest with people, like we got

721
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: to cut something, and people aren't going to like it,

722
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: Like some one's gonna lose something. That's just the nature

723
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: of the beast.

724
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: But when you cutch something, they realize, oh, shoot, we

725
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: actually need those people and try to hire those people back.

726
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: That's an f up and you got to you got

727
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: account for that, and Elon Muskas and I'm I'm not

728
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: sitting here being an apologist for Elon musk either. By

729
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: the way, I do think things should be more surgical.

730
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: But when there's so much waste, fraud and abuse, and

731
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: they go in and they look at this and it's like,

732
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: oh my god, we're walking into the house and it's

733
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: probably a demo mission here, and you try to just

734
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: fix one little thing at a time that like this

735
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: is this is so bad that we might need to

736
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: shut these entire departments down and we can reinvent them

737
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: and we can reopen them, but it's so bad right now,

738
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: and the drainage is so bad on our resources. We've

739
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: got to, you know, cut our losses at some point

740
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: and then we got to figure out what we're gonna

741
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: do next. But there was so much abuse and people

742
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: go into concerts and government workers renting out stadiums and

743
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: caesars and like just getting away with it.

744
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: Wait, then they better to measure twice, so you only

745
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: have to cut once. And once again we have history

746
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: that's show us this can be done the right way.

747
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: And that's not a party thing. I'm just simple pointing

748
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: not that Bill Clinton al gored they did it the

749
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: right way. Yeah, and Elon even said one time he tweeted,

750
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: what I'm doing is no different than what Clinton did

751
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: in the nineties. Not true.

752
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: Well, the extent of the waste fraud and abuse in

753
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: the nineties is not what it is today, so there's

754
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: a much different beast to tackle. It's gotten considerably worse

755
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: because people realize they get out of their hand in

756
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: the cookie jar and no one was looking, so it

757
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: got way, way worse. I agree with you, though, there

758
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: does need to be a methodical process. I think that

759
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: that has in the last month. I think that's been

760
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: more so the stance. You're not seeing Doge doing what

761
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: Doge did on the outside. They came in very zealous

762
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: and very excited. And I think they've dialed it back

763
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: because Elon.

764
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Speaker 1: Got the fuck out of it because he realized it

765
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: was affecting his real bility. That's what he's still doing it.

766
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: He's just not his outward on it. But I think

767
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: they've dialed it back.

768
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Speaker 1: They named a new president, right, the guy who created

769
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: Project two thousand and threey five is the new head

770
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: of DOTS. We got his name, though, I.

771
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: Don't think so. Elon Musk is still there. I'm still

772
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: working in dough. She's just taking a step back from

773
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: the limelight. Yeah.

774
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

775
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Speaker 3: We recently broke down new evidence in the Tory Lane's case, right,

776
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: and you highlighted a Republican congresswoman for pushing up for

777
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: his release. What do you think about conservative stepping into

778
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: things like that, like the high profile celebrity cases.

779
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there needed to be another look into that

780
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: case and the new evidence that they found, and some

781
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: of the evidence.

782
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: That was that it's not really evidence, it's hearsay. Well,

783
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Speaker 1: it's literally like if I was driving a car with

784
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: Tommy Lauren and I say I heard what her Tommy

785
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: Laurence say that she's racist and she wants everybody that's

786
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: black and bron to be sent to another country. That's

787
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: That's literally what this is like.

788
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Speaker 2: But Charlie Mane, I'm really confused because if Tory Lanes

789
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: actually didn't shoot at Meghan this Sallian, wouldn't you be

790
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: the first person to be like, hey, this person is

791
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: in jail for the wrong reason and if there's more

792
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: evidence that could exonerate him.

793
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Speaker 1: But this is my point is this isn't evidence, but

794
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Speaker 1: it's not.

795
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: Here when her best friend is given immunity, and the

796
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: whole thing is that the friend is actually the one

797
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: that was shooting the gun and he hit her hand

798
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: down and then that's why the gun fired at the

799
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: ground and hit feet. If that really happened and the

800
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: person that maybe actually did it was given immunity, there's

801
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: a problem.

802
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: And listen, I'm not saying the course get it right

803
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: all the time, all of that went through court already.

804
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: Here's my problem with this, with this situation, and it's

805
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with Tory, make any of these

806
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: people involved. It's just simply when something is presented in

807
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: the court and there's actual evidence in testimony right that

808
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: says this happened, why do we put hearsay? Why do

809
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: we give hearsay more weight than we give that.

810
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: I think you just have to take it into account.

811
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: And I would think you'd be the first person to

812
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 2: be like, hey, if somebody's in there wrongfully and there's

813
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: more evidence to possibly exonerate them, we need to take

814
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: a look at it.

815
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: Why didn't we take it into account during the tryout?

816
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: A guy I can tell you exactly why, because George Gascon,

817
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: who is the now. He was facing two recall attempts, right,

818
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: and he was desperate to show that he could do

819
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 2: a big, high profile case. And if you put Tory

820
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: Lanes behind bars with enhancements for ten years, you look

821
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: good and it's like all and especially when you're doing

822
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: it on behalf of a mega celebrity like Megan the

823
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: Stallion who has a much bigger following than Tory Lane's

824
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: and much bigger profile. So George Gascon who doesn't want

825
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 2: to put anybody in jail. By the way, then slap

826
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: is a ten year sentence on Tory Lanes and you

827
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: give immunity to the friend with a jury.

828
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: It was a jury, a jury, a jury, a jury

829
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: decided Tory Lanes feed, not just the judge.

830
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: Well, but there was enhancements by the DA so and

831
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: enhancements are unheard of. But what I'm saying, I don't

832
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: know when you enhance the crime ten years for what

833
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: he's accused of, When you when you add extra onto it,

834
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: and you add enhancements do to the nature of the crime,

835
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: and you're not willing to do that in many other cases,

836
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: it's like, what are you throwing the book at this guy?

837
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: I didn't think that was throwing the book at him.

838
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: He threw the book at him.

839
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Speaker 1: For shooting, if he did, if he threw the s

840
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: at him.

841
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 2: And first of all, it's hard to go to jail

842
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: in LA And the whole thing on this is this

843
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: you need to everyone involved because it all actually is here,

844
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: Shay at the end of the day, isn't it If

845
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: you're at a house party and it's like, well, she

846
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 2: said that he shot, and he said, if you have listen, if.

847
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: Tory Lanez didn't do this, I'd pray he comes home.

848
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: But when you have actual evidence, you know him making

849
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: a phone call from jail apologizing for whatever happened that night.

850
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: You know eye witnessed that said they saw him do it,

851
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: plus the person who got actually shot saying he did it,

852
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: finding the gun in the car. The DNA was inconclusive,

853
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: right because they said it was a male DNA and

854
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: female DNA on the gun. If you have all of that,

855
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: you can see.

856
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: Why do anything conclusive? Though? Isn't there some room for

857
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: doubt there if there's both DNA on that gun and

858
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: he and his story is listen, this other person is

859
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: shooting and I'm hitting their arm and this is what happened.

860
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: He's not saying that nobody. You know that he wasn't

861
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: at fault at all.

862
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: Why not tell that story in court? And the driver

863
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: that's that they overheard Kelsey say that during the trial.

864
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: Why didn't that driver say something then? And what reason

865
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Speaker 1: would Torri have to protect Kelsey? And what reason would

866
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: Meg have to protect Kelsey? Why wouldn't Megan.

867
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: Say a friend not after you shoot me?

868
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's your friend right there. If he shoots you,

869
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 1: you telling yeah?

870
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 2: But maybe if there's a dispute there. And I don't

871
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: know because I wasn't there, like obviously Tommy wasn't there.

872
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: But my thing is, if there's more evidence, let's take

873
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: a look at it, because we don't need an innocent

874
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: person rotting in jail who was nearly killed two weeks ago.

875
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: If there's evidence to suggest that we miss something here,

876
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: let's take a look at it.

877
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: Is he say evidence though? If you're in the car

878
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: with a driver today Tommy and a driver says I

879
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: overheard Tommy Lawrence saying X, Y and Z. How much

880
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: creedi should we?

881
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: Why were we not? Why were we not testing for

882
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 2: gun reside? On everybody's hands why And if the DNA

883
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 2: is inconclusive and there's two sides of a story here,

884
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: I don't I think the whole thing ends up being here,

885
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: say doesn't it? So let's take a look. And I'm

886
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: not saying that I can tell you he didn't do it.

887
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: I wasn't there. But if there's more to take a

888
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: look at, I don't think that someone should be riding

889
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: in jail for ten years getting stabbed and possibly killed.

890
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: If there's more evidence, let's just take a look at it.

891
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: That's all. That's all we're saying. And I actually think

892
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: that a Republican stepping into that void and saying there

893
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: could be a man in jail that shouldn't be and

894
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: saying I want to take a look at it and

895
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: put eyeballs on it. Republicans aren't really known for doing that,

896
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: So congratulations to her for doing it, right, I think,

897
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: just take a look at it.

898
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: Has anybody ever told you that your commentary endangered in

899
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: real life?

900
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: Not in real life? People say a lot on the internet.

901
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, if so, what responsibility you think you would be

902
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: it for that?

903
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: Do you think that your free speech that you should

904
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: be held accountable for everything that everybody does? Because they

905
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: hear you say something. Depends Yeah, I can't think of anything,

906
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 2: and maybe I'm wrong that I have said that would

907
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: endanger somebody. I've never called for violence against anybody. I've

908
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: never you know, if people don't like what I say, okay,

909
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: But and if people agree with me and then they're

910
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: deranged and they do something, that's not on me anymore

911
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: than it would be on you if someone agreed with

912
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: you and then they wanted to carry out something because

913
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: they heard you say something and they're deranged and took

914
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: it the wrong way. I don't think I say anything

915
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: to endanger people. And if I've ever said anything that

916
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: I take back, I will apologize for it. I have

917
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: no pride in like if, hey, if I said something

918
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: and I set it off the cuff and I was

919
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: really heated at the time and it was taken out

920
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: of context, I'll be happy to say, well, let me

921
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: correct the record on that, or let me take a

922
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: step back on that. I'm want so prideful that I'm like, Nope,

923
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: I'm right all the time, and everything I say is gospel.

924
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: I got that's ridiculous for any of us to say that.

925
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 3: It's my last question, how do you protect your piece, right,

926
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: because when people see Tommy right, they can just see

927
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: the commentator right, and they like the controversial part of you.

928
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 3: But you're still a person first, like just a person first?

929
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: How do you protect your piece? Do you ever get

930
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: stressed out in that way that people only see some

931
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: people can't look fast who you are, you know what

932
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: I mean, like on your show or like what you're

933
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: known for. Does that have a bother you or people

934
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: who don't? They just see you for what you do,

935
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: like the commentator, the fearless, the boldness. How do you

936
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: protect your piece with that?

937
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: First of all? Do you get stressed?

938
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 3: And then if so, how do you protect your piece?

939
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 2: Sorry, you gotta have a thick skin. You know it,

940
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: you know it. You can't be in this business and

941
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: be fragile. No, you just can't. And people are some

942
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: people are just not going to like you. And I

943
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: could sit here and I could say anything, and I

944
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: could do anything, and people some people are just not

945
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: going to like me, and I have to accept that,

946
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: and that's okay. But I really have learned and not

947
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: care so much what people think, especially if they've never

948
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: met me before. That's my take on it. If you've

949
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: met me and you're like, I don't like her, she's

950
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: a bitch. Okay, But if you've never met me, just

951
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: take the chance. And some people are never going to

952
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: get the opportunity to understand that nobody's ever going to

953
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: meet you and have their personal opinion. I like to

954
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: think and I believe that if people meet me like

955
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: we're doing today, that they can be like, oh, you

956
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: know what, I disagree with her, but she's not like

957
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 2: this monster. I wish we could talk more to each

958
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: other because I think if we stop villainizing people based

959
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: on what they do for a living or the opinions

960
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: that they have, I feel like we could come together

961
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: as a country and just say, yeah, we agree to disagree,

962
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: but I don't hate that person. I don't wish bad

963
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: things on that person. I hope we're getting there, and

964
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: I think more conversations like this help us to get there.

965
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: Do you think I only got a couple more questions?

966
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: Do you think like the conservative movement, even the liberal

967
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: movement more so? I guess on like cable news network.

968
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: Do you think they're more concerned with influencing policy or

969
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: just going viral?

970
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: I think there are people that are interested in going viral. Sure,

971
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: people are making money off of it now, Like when

972
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: I started doing it, I wasn't making money off of it,

973
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't getting ad share revenue off of it,

974
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: and I wasn't on X trying to do the engagement

975
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: farming so I could get my check from X every month.

976
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: So I was just doing it because I really felt it.

977
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: There are people now that realize there is money in it.

978
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: So you can say crazy things and you can get

979
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: a lot of clicks and people will talk about you,

980
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: But you got to live with yourself at night if

981
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: you're doing it for that reason, and if you're just

982
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: doing it to get the attention, and people can see

983
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: through it. I think people are so good at detecting

984
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: bs at this point, and they can tell when someone's

985
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: not genuine and they're just saying it to say it

986
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: or to go viral. But I don't feel the people

987
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: that I work with at Fox are very meaningful with

988
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: what they say. And I feel that the.

989
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: People that I want, some of them are just funny.

990
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: Jesse Watter is just entertaining.

991
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: He's fun.

992
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: But do I believe Jesse believes the things he says? Yes?

993
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: I do.

994
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think he's just up to being entertained.

995
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: I know Gutfield is just being entertain but.

996
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 2: They're having fun and that's okay. But I don't think

997
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 2: that specifically the people that I work with, I don't

998
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 2: think they're doing it to go viral. I really don't.

999
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: And and at Fox it's like the people that have

1000
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: been doing this for twenty years, they don't want viral.

1001
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: Is like they know what it is, but they're not.

1002
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: You know, Sean Hannity's not like, let me go viral.

1003
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think Sean's trying to go viral, do you.

1004
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: You said you were doing it at one time, though, No.

1005
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: I said when I was going viral, I wasn't making

1006
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: money off of it. It wasn't like let me say

1007
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: this so I can go viral and make money or

1008
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: get influenced. I was saying things that I felt and

1009
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: it went viral. But I never did it like let

1010
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: me say this to go viral.

1011
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: Today, I think when you know that when you commentate

1012
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: on certain aspects of the culture, especially black culture, you

1013
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: know that it's gonna cause a lot of people to

1014
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: start engaging with you.

1015
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: Sure, but engaging is fine. Starting a dialogue is fine.

1016
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: I think we should start it out. That's why we

1017
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: do what we do. If nobody's having a conversation based

1018
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: on what you say, you probably shouldn't do this for

1019
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: a living. Like if you just go on and you're like,

1020
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna have a mediocre day today, and I'm

1021
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 2: just gonna say things that are right down the middle

1022
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: and not piss anyone off, you probably shouldn't be in

1023
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 2: the talk show business, or the radio business, or any business.

1024
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: But I don't say things. I guess the point I'm

1025
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: trying to make is I've never said anything that I

1026
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: don't believe for the purpose of going viral or making

1027
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: a headline or a SoundBite. I've never done that once.

1028
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: And I've taken real it's from my side of the

1029
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: aisle for things that I've said that didn't go along

1030
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: to get along, So I take it from both sides,

1031
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: and like there's a for me. There's not a calculation

1032
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: that goes into it.

1033
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: Have you ever changed your mind?

1034
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm sure I've changed my mind. I go valls

1035
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: on things absolutely. You know, and when you you're in

1036
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: this business and you're in it for long enough, like

1037
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: you realize, oh, Wow, some of the stuff that I

1038
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: said when I was twenty four, you know, maybe I

1039
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: wouldn't say today at thirty two. You just you learn

1040
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 2: and you grow in the business.

1041
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: Have you ever had to alter your personal choices and

1042
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: beliefs to protect your image from a base that judges

1043
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: women harshly?

1044
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: Well, people say really nasty stuff to women. So it's

1045
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: not fun when people pick on your looks or they

1046
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: pick on everything about you or oh you you know,

1047
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit there and correct everyone that's like,

1048
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: oh you had a nose job. I didn't have a

1049
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: nose job. But if you want to think I had

1050
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: a nose job whatever. I mean, it's if women take

1051
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: it just in much different way than men. Like they

1052
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: don't pick on what men wear, they don't pick on

1053
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: how they're just women. It's like, oh, yeah, this is

1054
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 2: why is she wearing this? She's ugly? Why you know,

1055
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: why is she wear that? Or why is her makeup?

1056
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 2: Like that's fine.

1057
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: I guess I'm saying conservatives. A lot of conservatives I hate,

1058
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: I really do hate saying conservative liberal, But I really

1059
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of conservatives feel like women have

1060
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: a place.

1061
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: Do you think so? Yeah, absolutely, I would say there

1062
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: are a lot of women in the Trump administration right

1063
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: now that are in very high roles that are not

1064
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: in the place that maybe old conservatism would say that

1065
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 2: they would be in because they're running things like women

1066
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: are really running this administration.

1067
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: I think, do you think conservative media elevates fewer women

1068
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: the real power?

1069
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: Not at all? When I most of the people at

1070
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: my network are women in high places. Are CEO is

1071
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 2: of woman a woman?

1072
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, and she's okay. So what about like I

1073
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: guess for prime Time, like Lourer Ingram is the only

1074
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: one that has the show on.

1075
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: Well lour Ingram, but I mean if you if you

1076
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: look at our lineup, I mean on right now would

1077
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: probably be Harris Faulkner, who has her own show, and

1078
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna go sit with her and Outnumbered and

1079
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Speaker 2: that's all women and one man. And then after that

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Speaker 2: is America Reports co anchored by a man and a woman,

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Speaker 2: and then you go into you know, Will Caine, and

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Speaker 2: then you go into The Five, which is mixed group

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00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: of people, and then you go into Brett Baer, and

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Speaker 2: then you go into Laura Jesse and Sean Yeah, like

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00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 2: we don't say, oh we need women here and women,

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Speaker 2: but we have like a very good mix and at

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Speaker 2: my network. When you walk in the people that are

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Speaker 2: running the things, whether the producers senior, they are women.

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Speaker 2: I promise you they are women. Women get things done everywhere,

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Speaker 2: but it Fox women get things done absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like you fell under the radar a

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Speaker 3: little bit because the people who now have a candie owns, Oh.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question.

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Speaker 2: See, but I don't. Maybe we're motivated by different things.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what she's motivated by. I couldn't tell you.

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Speaker 2: We're not friends more more than not friends. We're not friends.

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Speaker 2: We're not friendly. You don't fuck with her, you don't

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00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: like her, We're not friendly. I haven't spoken to her

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Speaker 2: in years and years and years.

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Speaker 1: I did speak before, well in the.

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Speaker 2: Business we have, but we've never been friendly. Got her

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Speaker 2: and I have never been friendly. I don't know she's

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Speaker 2: gonna do her thing.

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Speaker 1: It was like a Caitlin clark Ain's Oh I don't

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Speaker 1: think so.

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Speaker 2: I just we just are not we're not friendly. We're

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Speaker 2: just not friends and that's fine. And she says some

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Speaker 2: crazy stuff sometimes that I really disagree with. I don't

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Speaker 2: like a lot of her commentary. I like some of it,

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Speaker 2: you know, I like some of your commentary, and I

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00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: don't like others whatever. But my motivations are very I

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00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 2: think my monovations are different. I don't know, because that's

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Speaker 2: that's her motivations are hers. I can't tell you what

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Speaker 2: they are. I would never claim to know what someone's

1115
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Speaker 2: intentions are. I don't say things to be controversial for

1116
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Speaker 2: the purpose of being controversial, to go viral, to say

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Speaker 2: things that and maybe she'd and she probably does, believe them.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying she doesn't believe them. I don't do that.

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Speaker 1: You feel like she does though what you're saying, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why she does it, Like I really

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Speaker 2: could not tell you. And I would never sit here

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Speaker 2: and say, well, I know why someone does something, because

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Speaker 2: I don't know, and I haven't spoken to her in

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Speaker 2: many years. Off her and I were sit down, I'd

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Speaker 2: be like, hey, do you and she would ask me

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Speaker 2: probably the same thing, Hey do you believe everything you're saying? Yes?

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Speaker 2: I do, And I asked her, she'd probably say yes,

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Speaker 2: I do. You know. There could be many women that

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Speaker 2: have platforms. By the way, I think that there's this

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Speaker 2: notion that there can only be like two women in

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Speaker 2: conservative media. I want there to be one hundred women

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Speaker 2: in conservative media with large platforms, and in liberal media,

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Speaker 2: and in between media and people who don't do politics

1134
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Speaker 2: and media. I want everybody to have a voice, and

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Speaker 2: the more voices that we have, the more choices people have.

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Speaker 2: So I think that that's all part of the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Well, Tommy Laurence, make sure you check her out on

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Speaker 1: Fearless on OutKick dot com. When does fear Let's come

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Speaker 1: on every day? Yeah, one pm Eastern, one pm Eastern

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Speaker 1: every day on OutKick dot com. And you can check

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Speaker 1: your commentary out on Fox. Yes, sir, all right, Tommy,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us, Thanks for having me. It's

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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. Wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club.