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Speaker 1: Listener discretion is advised. The world's origione Welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered.

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Speaker 1: One of the Patriots, Dvoway run defense. If I have that,

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Speaker 1: We'll wait now, I just have all their terrible audiences.

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Speaker 1: That's in front of me. Sehn Jefferson, the wide receivers

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Speaker 1: coach of the Cardinals. Still wearing those pants Freddy Grammon

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Speaker 1: but likings he used to wear a practice and used

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Speaker 1: to make fred very uncoma really well, that's all he

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Speaker 1: would wear, right, you know, he come running at you,

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Speaker 1: and here's a lot looking at you. There. What I

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Speaker 1: don't get is what fans say, I'm embarrassed. Why are

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Speaker 1: you embarrassed? You didn't play in it. You didn't you

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Speaker 1: It's not on the end of game, Like, why are

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Speaker 1: you embarrassed? I guess if you're saying that Stafford's not

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Speaker 1: a sure thing. That Okay, how can you say Stafford's

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Speaker 1: a sure thing. He's not going to be out for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. He may decide I'm not playing anymore. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: either way, like a sure thing. The guys in his

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Speaker 1: late thirties and has a spinal contusion. I think he

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Speaker 1: So he's not a sure thing. It depends on the

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Speaker 1: way that they water it nice and it goes in moist. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it goes in easier, yeah yeah, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, so anyway, this is Patriots Unfiltered fueled by Duncan.

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Speaker 1: All right, it's Patriots Unfiltered. It's pp in the Deuce edition. Guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean we just did we just wrap the pros

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Speaker 1: game show point did It's like we basically got rid

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Speaker 1: I always love when when Matt plays the little recap

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Speaker 1: for the open who would have funk that are little,

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Speaker 1: you know, immature, little talk about the the turf in

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Speaker 1: Arizona would turn out to be a big part of

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Speaker 1: the game right right from the get go. Third player

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Speaker 1: of the game play from the game the game ended.

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Speaker 1: We uh, you know, when we were watching it, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think we talked about on the postgame show,

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Speaker 1: but both Paul and I were like, that's the Edelman

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Speaker 1: like the Edelman one was on turf went down. Players

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Speaker 1: were talking about it. Now. My question, though, is this

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Speaker 1: know that's the point I'm trying to make. Everybody complains

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Speaker 1: problems with grass here. And I saw I think you know,

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Speaker 1: um David Chow NFL doc um, he's really good with

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Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff. And there were thirty two

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Speaker 1: a cls this year, sixteen on grass, sixteen on turf

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Speaker 1: so far. So it's now just acls. Yeah, that doesn't count,

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Speaker 1: you know, like high angles, high angles, you know, any

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Speaker 1: but you know, sometimes you just get pinned and yeah

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Speaker 1: his exact location, but um, you guys just got Paul

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Speaker 1: think today we're just uh, I guess saw him through

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Speaker 1: I say we treat this as an extended postgame show.

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Speaker 1: right now, Mike, the bottom line is at seven and six,

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Speaker 1: the top, Paul, with a little bit of a positivity

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Speaker 1: returning puntson you know, how can you really, I don't

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Speaker 1: Like just real quick, Freddy, I just to you know,

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Speaker 1: This is great. How do I sound? Do I sound okay?

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Speaker 1: I do remember it. I was going to take a

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Speaker 1: him and say, I remember a time when you would

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Speaker 1: The mood was, um, well, I know my mood. I'm

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Speaker 1: they ran a great amount of screens, but I don't

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Speaker 1: even think that counts all of the little swing passes

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Speaker 1: Burn and so on. That's not that's not a setup screen.

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Speaker 1: That's just meant for him to beat one man and hopefully,

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Speaker 1: that Arizona offense and their penalties. It's unbelievable. Yeah, it

425
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Speaker 1: really is. Yeah, I mean both both teams really way

426
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 1: too many penalties. Both teams had eight penalties in the game. Um,

427
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 1: they got to clean it up. But but Arizonas that's

428
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 1: been a problem for them all. Yeah. They lead the

429
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Speaker 1: league in offensive penalties. According to ESPN last night, they

430
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 1: I think they average four almost four offensive penalties a game. Yeah,

431
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know how, like they had eight

432
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 1: and like at least six seven offense. I think they

433
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:06,199
Speaker 1: had two illegal shifts and at least two least too

434
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: far starts. Yeah, yeah, not good. They had an OLDPI

435
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: and they had a block in the back. Yeah, you're right.

436
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 1: So's like there's six right there out of eight. I mean,

437
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: Patriots racking them up to I mean, that just continues

438
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: to be an issue for them. Um, you know. I

439
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,959
Speaker 1: just the thing I was thinking though, is I mean,

440
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 1: clearly the defense turned it around with those fourth down stops.

441
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 1: Do you think though, I mean, like all of us, like,

442
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: I just it's great. I've just seen them do this

443
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 1: against backup quarterbacks so many times, and you know, I

444
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,439
Speaker 1: just wonder if they're getting to the point where it's like,

445
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 1: we have to prove ourselves against a good offense. And

446
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean they'll certainly get a chance here down the stretch,

447
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 1: but I just wonder if they're getting kind of sick

448
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: of like, why can't we do this against a good team.

449
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 1: And it's not even just that, It's just it's the

450
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 1: disparity between how you go from so dominant against these

451
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: backup teams with you know, backup quarterback tackles out to

452
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, a good team, just a good quarterback. Even

453
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: they still have issues on the offensive line like Buffalo did.

454
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 1: But yet you just look so different. I just don't

455
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: get that disconnect. How can there be such a drop

456
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 1: off tea team's part. It's two things. It's the better

457
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 1: quarterback and also they get a lead. So the Patriots

458
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 1: are trailing. You know what they do with these bad

459
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: teams is you know, they get the lead and then

460
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: they make the bad quarterback look bad. Um. You know

461
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: you can't do that when when you're you're trailing. Yeah,

462
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 1: I mean, if the brakes on last night, I mean

463
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 1: I felt like they threw the brakes on last night,

464
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: and you know, and then we're able to open the

465
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,239
Speaker 1: door when they got the lead, their defense started then,

466
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Speaker 1: you know, and I was talking, I was like looking

467
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 1: at it and and this is to your point, Fred

468
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: about McCoy. I mean, they had two hundred yards of

469
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: offense in the first half, right, and that I don't

470
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 1: think they played great in the first half. I think

471
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 1: Kingsbury was responsible for them not having more points. I

472
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: thought he coached a bad game. I think you need

473
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Speaker 1: to kick field goals when you have opportunities to agree,

474
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Speaker 1: and I think that he turned to six seven game

475
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: into a thirteen ten game with a really bad decision

476
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: at the end of the first half. Let the clock

477
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: wind down, call time out. Kick a field goal in

478
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: the last player of the half. Worst than happens, It's

479
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: is thirteen seven if he misses the people and people

480
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: were criticizing the Patriots for kicking that field goal in

481
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: the first half. I was like, no, take the points

482
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: in a game like this. They weren't criticizing the Patriots

483
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: for kicking the field goal. They were criticizing them for

484
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: handing the ball off on the previous play. Well, I

485
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: don't know. On the blog, they were like, go for it,

486
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: fred it. It was a fifty one yard field goal

487
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: with thirty seconds with like there was another one the

488
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: other one, oh in the second half. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

489
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Speaker 1: to tie the game. Okay, all right, I thought you

490
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: men at the end of the first half. No, no,

491
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: there was no other choice. Yeah, there was like four

492
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 1: seconds left and a half. It was a fifty one

493
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: yard field goal now and I didn't get the choice

494
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Speaker 1: to hand it off to Kevin. That was a terrible call,

495
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: Like you could have taken a shot to try to

496
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Speaker 1: get a touchdown and then kick the field goal. Instead

497
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: they hand the ball off, they fumbled and avoid disaster somehow. Yeah,

498
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: I don't know how Mac came up with that because

499
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: he wasn't even near the ball and he reached in

500
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 1: him got Ardinal's gonna cardinal? And what was the clock

501
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: rule on that? Like, what's supposed to happen on the fine? Well,

502
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: once it was a loose ball, I think that they

503
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: were trying to determine who had it, so they they

504
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: stopped the clock. I thought they stopped it prematurely. But yeah,

505
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: the Patriots could have called time out too. But if

506
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: the ball's loose, yeah, like you don't have the ability

507
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: to the play is not over. Fred, you catch any

508
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: of the back and forth between Mac and the sidelines

509
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: late in the game there, Oh yeah, oh yeah, So

510
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: what were your thoughts on that? How did Herry Well,

511
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: they were making a big deal about it on the

512
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: broadcast Aikman And um yeah, Buck, Yeah, they actually, you know,

513
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: it happened during a break, and when they came back

514
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: from the break, they went and showed what happened while

515
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: they were at the break. When early on when Mac

516
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: and when waved off Patricia and they were all in

517
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Speaker 1: Max's camp, you know, we don't blame him for being upset,

518
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: being frustrated. It was all supporting Mac. That quarterback fraternity

519
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: is a tight one, and I think that people feel

520
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: like he's being done dirty. Yeah, you know, like they

521
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: do a Losties, the Aikman's, you know, the Curt Warners

522
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: of the world. Well, there's a rumor, I don't know

523
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: if it's true, um, that the owner stopped by the broadcast.

524
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't a rumor. He said it. Joe Buck said

525
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: it during the stage. That doesn't normally happen. Yeah, why

526
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: why did it happen? Um? I don't know. So you

527
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: don't know what was said, but you know that's that's

528
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: out there, right, be nice I'm seeing here for Phil

529
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: Perry was just reporting sense of relief in the Patriots

530
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: locker room last night, which I mean, I think there

531
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: was a lot being put onto this game. I don't

532
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Speaker 1: know how much of it they took to heart they had.

533
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean, they had to win it then, just like

534
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: they have to win this one. Yep. Ye. The two

535
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: bad teams that you're playing you have to beat if

536
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: you have anything. And I think, you know, going back

537
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: to the quarterback discussion, I think Eric Carr he's close

538
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: to that Jared goa Kirk Cousins area. You know he's

539
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: better than the quarterbacks that they've beaten for sure. Yeah,

540
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. He's capable of playing like

541
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins played against you. I would agree with that.

542
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,959
Speaker 1: But he makes dumb mistakes too. So they've got all

543
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: the pieces. I mean, that's what's again. It's the I

544
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: think the question of renfro and Waller and how much

545
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: can they stretch the Patriots secondary of the Patriots safeties

546
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: and all that. And they've got nothing out of those

547
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: two guys all year the Raiders, So it will be

548
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: interesting to see if he changes the offense and how

549
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: much do they want to win for Josh, you know,

550
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: like I know they're basically out of it, but is

551
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: there some kind of motivation for them? I mean, we

552
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: all know how the Raiders season's gone, and who knows

553
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Speaker 1: how they might truly feel about Josh. Say, I was

554
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: gonna say, you'll see how they feel, Yeah, because if

555
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: they play a listless game, that's not a good sign

556
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: for Josh. That's right, Paul, Because if anything you know

557
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: Josh is you know they're gonna want to play hard

558
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: because they know this is his old team. So, like

559
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: you said, Paul, if they come out firing. They know that, Okay,

560
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: they like their coach. If they come out flat, you know,

561
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: as people say, then the message isn't getting through and

562
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: they're not taking into consideration that this is Josh's old team. Yeah,

563
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: and not just Josh too, but I mean Lombardi, carn Barsillo,

564
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: I mean all the coaches, yeah that are there. Not

565
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: to mention Chandler Jones dron Harmon. I said I got

566
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: a chance. I got a chann on that one tonight, Chandler,

567
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: I did pretty good. Uh all right, so we got

568
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: Fred in the house. Five five pats, five hundred, give

569
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Speaker 1: us a call. We'll talk about the game. Emails are

570
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: rolling in webmail at or sorry, web radio at Patriots

571
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: dot com. Let's jump to the phones real quick and

572
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: check in with Patty from Agawam. Hey, Patty up, guys. Hey,

573
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: so I'll issue my little maya kulpa from last night.

574
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: I was wrong. I I'm part of that is when

575
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: Murray went out on the third play of the game, like, um,

576
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, we might actually have a chance

577
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: to win this game now. But I wanted to bring

578
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: up a couple things. Number one, UM, I've been really impressed,

579
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Speaker 1: not just these last few weeks on the stack that

580
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: Fouche has been getting. But I know, um, you brought

581
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: up him being possibly a closer the last night, Paul,

582
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: and I think somebody took a exception to that on

583
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: the post Yeah, I got I got finger wagged on

584
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: the postgame show, Freddie, Oh yeah by who some guy

585
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't he wasn't wrong. I think I'm probably a

586
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: little premature with that, but I think josh Ucha has

587
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: the makings of one of these guys that can be

588
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: a closer. You know, when you get the lead, you

589
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: have him out there and you know, just let him

590
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: go after the passer. And I think he's shown the

591
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: ability to get there. And I don't know who's like

592
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: been coaching him, but compared to what we saw early

593
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: with him, he's taking a more direc route to the quarterback.

594
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: He's he's like he usually you know, when we first

595
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: saw him, he'd take a long way around and you

596
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: know he'd be out of the play. But he's learning

597
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: like an underneath swim move and he seems to be

598
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: getting to the quarterback quicker than he was early in

599
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: his career. So that's good. You know. However, he learned it,

600
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: he did it on his own or somebody helped him.

601
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: I see improvement there in the amount of moves that

602
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: he's using. And one of his biggest players wasn't even

603
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: a sack. It was when he hit Colt McCoy and

604
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: caused the interception. Yeah yeah, those count two. Yep. Just

605
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: the last few games, he's not even when he gets

606
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: to the quarterback, he's thinking a lot of hurries and he's,

607
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: like Fred said, I mean, he's doing it with an

608
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: array of moves, and it looks like he's he's doing

609
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: it with a little bit of power too. So maybe

610
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: they got him on the program, you know, a few

611
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: weeks into the season. But I'm liking what I'm seeing

612
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: with him, and just regard him the draft the least

613
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Speaker 1: I think you could say, like twenty twenty, twenty twenty one,

614
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: and this year's draft, I mean, the books still open

615
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: on it, but it looks like you might have gotten

616
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: a few talented players. I mean, with you got Tugger

617
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: Ouch and on WHENU and twenty and of course the

618
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: guy's last year and you know, we'll just see how

619
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Speaker 1: it plays out, but it looks like they've actually infused

620
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: some some decent talent and uh, now they just need

621
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: to get some tackles in this year's draft. And that's

622
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: all I got. Guys. Speaking of the pass rush, A

623
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: guy who had a pretty good game last night was

624
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: a quality Yep, he showed up. He did some really

625
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: good work inside there. Yeah, just to real quickque back

626
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: on Huch like, Uh, you know, I talked to Don

627
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: Brown when he came out, and he just said he's

628
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: he came out like kind of ready with the ability

629
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Speaker 1: to get around the edge and to bend the edge.

630
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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, to Fred's point, he's kind

631
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: of rounded things out. I just want to see him

632
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: produce against I just think teams. Well, I'd like to

633
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: see him do it against good tackles too, not backups.

634
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: But he he I think he's being asked to just

635
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Speaker 1: rush the passer. Now. That's why I say, I think

636
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: he has a chance to be a closer. Stop trying

637
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: to make these guys be able to do everything so

638
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: you're not predictable. Some guys just have very specific roles

639
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: and if they can do them well, I mean I

640
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: think it's Freddie. I think he has like ten sacks

641
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: in his last seven games or six or something like

642
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: that ten and a half of the season, right, So

643
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: I if he can have that kind of production, that's

644
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: really valuable if you if you were a good team. Yeah,

645
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: well that's the thing about him. I mean you mentioned

646
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: Don Brown, uh does his coach over at Michigan. He

647
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: said he wasn't good against the run, said they didn't

648
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: play why asked her so much? And they showed a

649
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: play where you know, like he just couldn't stop the runs.

650
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: So that's what he is right now. He's a he's

651
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: a past rush specialist. Ye. And then in regards to

652
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: the draft, though, I think, like my question is who

653
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: are they going to keep? Who are they going to resign?

654
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: You know, and we're talking twenty twenty. You're getting on

655
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: Michael and when he's gonna you know, start the train

656
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: of these teams like who is a long term guy

657
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: that you believe in? And I think a lot of

658
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: these guys are finding good players and you should find

659
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: good players. I was gonna say, I think a lot

660
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: of teams get the players of back heal. You need

661
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: guys and that's what Marcus j Is making me feel like,

662
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: you need guys who are special. Are you're getting special

663
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: difference making kind of players. He's the only one right

664
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: now I feel has the potential maybe bar more if

665
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: he can regain what he kind of had. I saw

666
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: some of that, but that's what you need. You need

667
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: special guys, and I just I still don't know if

668
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: there's enough of them yet. Let's go back to the

669
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: phones here Todd, North Carolina, Hey Todd, how's it going?

670
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: Hey guys. This is the first time ever I've actually

671
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: an agreement with Paul. I think previously because I called

672
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: him in and said, hey, what do we need to

673
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: do to move forward with this team about five weeks ago?

674
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I need to think we need

675
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: somebody like Ouche to pick things up on the defense.

676
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: And hey, I agree, uche is looking great. Now. My

677
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: question is Paul in the mail bag, this is specifically

678
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: for you. You You said there's no way that they'd get

679
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: like a coach what's his face from the Saints to

680
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: come in and the coach the offensive? Yeah, yeah, Why

681
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: would Sean Payton want to be offensive coordinator under Bill?

682
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: I agree? Oh, I thought, is do you think there's

683
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: any chance that Bill would move up to become a

684
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: GM and then we could get somebody like that in

685
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: to be a head coach. No, is there any chance

686
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: of that? Or is that just not I think would

687
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: do that either. I don't think Peyton would do that either.

688
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Fred, but I also don't think

689
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: Bill's Bill's not interested in not coaching. He wants to

690
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: break that record. Yeah, I think that's part of the part.

691
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: But I agree with Fred. Freddy's point is valid too.

692
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: Why would you want to come in and work under Belichick? Right?

693
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, we'll buildn't want it left the Jets.

694
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: You don't want to work under as a head coach? Okay,

695
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: just a thought. Thanks guys, Merry Christmas, Thanks Harry Christmas, Todd,

696
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: it's very nice. Emails are rolling in here, but let's

697
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: all right, I'll really one see Fred, I don't just

698
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: pick up this. One's from Jack down the road in Stowton.

699
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: For the last few weeks, I've been thinking about how

700
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: much the game has changed. I grew up in an

701
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: era with a ground and pound run games, with the

702
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: way most offenses function. Now my own kids growing up

703
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: playing a football game called Moss. The game's object is

704
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: just one kid throwing to a group of kids and

705
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: seeing which one mosses the others. It made me think,

706
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: how now there are so many wide receivers who want

707
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: to be like Randy and would have been some other

708
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: athletes that have transcended the game like Randy Moss transcended

709
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Anybody, Can we get one? Can we find ones?

710
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: There's probably like five of them right now. Yeah, you know,

711
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: I think Freddie's boy, Justin Jefferson is in that conversation.

712
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: I think the guy you saw last night is in

713
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: that conversation this week. Like that play he made in

714
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: the back of the end zone, like ridiculous. A lot

715
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: of people said the past that Hollywood Brown. Yeah, for

716
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: no reason. He really didn't need to die. I think

717
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: it was a touchdown if he just kept running. Yeah,

718
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: I agree he made it a more difficult catch than

719
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: it needed to be. It was still a flat out drop.

720
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: But I agree with who it was a guy's on

721
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: your blog. If he just kept running, I think he

722
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: catches it in stride. That was a really good throw

723
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: from McCoy. Yep, another one from Alex and Raleigh Big

724
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones fan. I think Marcus Jones is really developing

725
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: and do a great piece for our team. Do you

726
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: think he could develop into that Slater role in the future,

727
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: where he is a leader in the locker room and

728
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: voice for the team. He just seems to be everything

729
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots love and a player like Mike says, he

730
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: plays scrappy and last night was another showing of many

731
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: things he can do for the team. I can't really

732
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: speak to him off the field. I haven't Yeah, and

733
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: I haven't really happened now. I haven't had the opportunity

734
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: to really talk to him and see what kind of

735
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: personality he has. There's been so many great personality guys.

736
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: I just want guys that can play the game at

737
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: a high level. Now. I don't care who the next

738
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: locker room leader is, Like, just give me guys who

739
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: can who can push the envelope. Yeah, it's nice to

740
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: have one of those kinds of players. It seems like

741
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: they don't, you know, like the Patriots don't really get

742
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: those kinds of guys. And I'm not talking about guys

743
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: that do different things. I'm talking about the electric ability

744
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: to impact a game in different ways, you know, Like

745
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: he's an explosive player. He's just surprising me too with

746
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: his strength. Like some of the hits like he's just

747
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: very strong on his feet and he's really quick too.

748
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: It's coming again. Other uh Paul the middle, Yeah, Yeah,

749
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. On a tight end too. That

750
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: was a big guy. That was a big guy he

751
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: hit that was unbelievable. Yeah, big tight end. I know,

752
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: I know I thought for a second that was going

753
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: to be a call. Um. Well yeah, the other one,

754
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: look the other way. It's too small. Um, it's a

755
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: good one. And I have been meaning to like just

756
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: look this because I'm sure it's on Twitter. But but

757
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: PAULI in La writes and just can we distress? Can

758
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: we discuss screens not working? W two F screens? How

759
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: many screens did they run? I mean, and when we

760
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: talked about it, you know, you know Vance Joseph last

761
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: week talking about all they do screens, they and I mean,

762
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: they just like they leaned into it. I I don't know,

763
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: I like i'd love to know if that kind of

764
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: surprised me because of that, like I would have thought

765
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: they would have gone out of their way to do

766
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: something a little bit different. And Freddie I joked around

767
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: with you or it might have been with Matt with

768
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: no socks when that happened, you wondered if Vance Joseph

769
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: was almost trying to bait them into doing something different.

770
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah right, you know, no, like yeah, you know, and

771
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: then they went out and called it exactly the way

772
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 1: Vance shows. If didn't they really didn't put much stress

773
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: on the Cardinals defense, which sucks by the way, um,

774
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: and they didn't really they couldn't move the ball, like

775
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: it just was odd to me, Like I think Fred's

776
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: Fred's texted me in the middle of the postgame show

777
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: was dead on, like that wasn't normal offense. I mean,

778
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't like it was like hitting you know, your

779
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: head against the wall offense, you know, And I mean,

780
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: how much do you think? I mean, this is probably

781
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: what we're down to. It's like the final two, the

782
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: Great Playoff. We're down to offensive line and offense design.

783
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: And I just, I mean, I'm starting to think at

784
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: this point it's hard to maybe get to the offensive

785
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: design when the offensive line has just been this inconsistent

786
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: and this bad and they don't trust it and it

787
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: feels like they're in their own head and this is

788
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: like a major concern for the game plan, which it

789
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: should be when you're starting, you know, Connor McDermott and

790
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: and Trump Brown and you know it was Trump Brown

791
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: going to be healthy, and like, I mean, I'm kind

792
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: of giving them a as at some point for being sick.

793
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: But like, what are you hearing about Freddy? You hearing

794
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: anything about um Yadney Could just um? I mean he

795
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: was available. Yeah, I find that a little warm ups though,

796
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, both Brown and Could just we're not

797
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: out for warm ups. So I don't know what he

798
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: still is like a back in a calf, I think

799
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: is yeah, you know, but this line should not be

800
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: that bad. No, they had four, they had four starters

801
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: in place. They were missing right they're missing the right tackle.

802
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: I agree, it should not be that bad. They have

803
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: issues on the left side, I think strange and Brown

804
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: or struggling, you know. And you know again this you know,

805
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: Patricia's mark is on this too. You know, he's the

806
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: offensive line coach. You know, I hate to pile on,

807
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: but you like, you know, it's it's not looking good

808
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: and he's the guy who's responsible. Another one from Bennett

809
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 1: from San Clemente um and this is kind of along

810
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: this line. I sent this email yesterday. I was wondering,

811
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: do you think the offense one this game despite the

812
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: play calling from coach Pencil or did coach Pencil have

813
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 1: a decent night of play calling? I think the defense

814
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: won the game. Yeah, but we talked about, you know,

815
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: some of the Hunter Henry things of you know, I mean,

816
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: a couple of plays you kind of got a guy

817
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: cut loose. Yeah, I mean every I mean, everybody makes

818
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: a player two, you know, like during the course of it.

819
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: I mean it's rare that you don't like, like even

820
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: the Buffalo game, you know, Marcus Jones had a forty

821
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: eight yard touchdown, Like even in your really bad games.

822
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: There are a couple of plays they had three hundred

823
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: and twenty yards and they scored twenty points against the

824
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: worst defense in football, not not not hyperbole, the worst

825
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: defense in football thirty second ranked. So to me, the

826
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: defense won the game. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean yeah,

827
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: like you said, they managed to score twenty point. But yeah,

828
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: the defense won this game. And I think that Cardinals

829
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,959
Speaker 1: would throw parades if they held everybody to twenty. Yeah.

830
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: David and Bethlehem writes in uh he likes he likes

831
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Speaker 1: pp induce the PP induce like ham and eggs, P.

832
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: B and J perfect another one. Marcus Jones, Patrick's Pat's

833
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: wide receiver room has vacancies. Absolutely make him the slot

834
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: receiver and give strong and Kevin Harris more snaps Mac

835
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: is doing fine. Hasn't his arm improved too? How can

836
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: the Pats move on from John who seems unable to block? Well?

837
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: Should Kayley be criticized? I can't. I can't get to Kayley.

838
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't get past the whole offense yet.

839
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: And I do think the tight ends struggle blocking. But

840
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: is that more Kaylee or Line? I just I mean,

841
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: because I think blocking isn't necessarily the same thing, right,

842
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: And that's I mean. We talked about it last night

843
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: fred On on the postgame Show, which I thought was

844
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: a good point by me, actually something I hadn't thought

845
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: about of, you know, just that the two tight end

846
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: offense anxious to see this maybe we should just reply

847
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: arm breaking Pat on the back. No, it was something

848
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: that there's something, you know, you come to something suddenly

849
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, that makes sense to me if

850
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: just you know these guys that are not those those

851
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: versatile tight ends and you're not really getting they're kind

852
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: of in the middle, squished like great mister Miagi. You know,

853
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: they're not really blockers. They're okay, they're okay blockers, and

854
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: they're okay receivers. But playing playing twelve personnelity, you just

855
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: you're not able to exploit the matchups with these guys.

856
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: And you know, just it seems to me like the

857
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: bottom has kind of fallen out recently with with Johnny.

858
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: It just seems like they're trying even less to get

859
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: him involved now. And I mean, yes, it was a

860
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: huge screen game. Usually that's his jam. I think they

861
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: threw him that one. Yeah, I only remember the one ball,

862
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: but it was it was off target too. It wasn't

863
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: a good throw. Um. I didn't really see him as

864
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: being a big part of the game, you know, yesterday

865
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: and I didn't really see Henry as a big part

866
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 1: of the game. They just happened to hit two seam

867
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 1: routes to him, Um, you know, one across the middle

868
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the first half in the hurry

869
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: up and and one what you know in the fourth

870
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: quarter to to you know, had that that touchdown drive

871
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: that ended the game. Yeah, you know, going back to

872
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: the defense ball. On the pregame show, you had some

873
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: interesting stats about points scored in in Patriots wins versus losses. Yeah,

874
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: and once again they had to the game where they

875
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, uh they had to uh you know, allow

876
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: less than fourteen points, right, which is why I think,

877
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, had the other team had its offense in place,

878
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: I think it could have unfolded different way. I mean,

879
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: I even think at thirteen thirteen and Arizona has the ball,

880
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: they were able to get it off their goal line,

881
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: they got a first down, and they looked like they

882
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: were on the on the way to another first down,

883
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: and Hopkins inexplicably is running across the field with the

884
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: ball hanging out, um, and just kind of lost it.

885
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: Like you watched the replay, kind of doesn't even hit

886
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: the ball, but he really didn't knock it out. Yeah,

887
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: he gets credit because he made the tackle. It's a

888
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: forced fumble. But even like he joined I don't know

889
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: if you've heard us with him, he joined us last night, Freddie. Um,

890
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: he kinda was like, yeah, you know, I was, I

891
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: kept my leverage and had him. You know, I don't

892
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: necessarily think that that was a forced fumble quote Uncright,

893
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: And then they get a little bit of a break,

894
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: like the ball looks like he's just roll into the sideline,

895
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: didn't just stopped? Yeah, you know, for for McMillan to

896
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: pick it up and run it in. That's I mean,

897
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: that's the play of the game. I really think it

898
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: could still be thirteen thirteen. If that play didn't happen,

899
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: I think it would have been over buy now, Paul,

900
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: Maybe the way the game was going, I'm not so sure,

901
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: would have been twenty seven. More injuries and overtime. Yeah, um,

902
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: Patriots lost a lot of guys last night, Freddie. We

903
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: got Tony Tony rights in, although I want two wide

904
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: receivers actually good ones for a change in rounds one

905
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: and two. The team's first three draft choices instead better

906
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: be offensive lineman because only Andrews is worth keeping gone.

907
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: Should be the days with a Pat's draft and offensive

908
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: lineman in the sixth round in the hopes of developing

909
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: him into a serviceable player three years later. Oh man,

910
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: it worked out for Michael Lawin you. Yeah, I mean,

911
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: here's a sixth round pick that's developed into a pretty

912
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: good player right away. What do you think the temperature

913
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: test is on? Cool? Strange? Like really right now? I

914
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: mean I think we all agree he's had some some struggles.

915
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: Are we are we? You know, saying he had trying

916
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: to make a big jump thrown into the flame. He's

917
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: gonna get stronger, He'll have an off season. Um, you

918
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: know he should be better. But how much better? I

919
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: don't know, Do we know? I don't know. But I'm

920
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: not willing to say that he's a bust because I

921
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: do think he came from a smaller school and he

922
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: was a little undersized. He needs some some bulk um

923
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: and strength. And if he can get that, then let's

924
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: see what it looks like. If it looks similar to this,

925
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: then you know it's a misevaluation. I like his attitude though,

926
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: I mean he plays with that little snarly edge that

927
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: that I like, little extra business. Kind of a pain

928
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: to play against. You see guys getting annoyed with him.

929
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 1: Like I just I gotta be honest with defensive linement.

930
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind playing against him because it seems like

931
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: you can get to the quarterback when you're opposite him

932
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: run blocking. He seems I saw a couple of good reps,

933
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: but I mean it all, it all stands, But I

934
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: think that's a big thing to watch going forward here

935
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: in front of those emails coming in getting the dings.

936
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: Uh you can hear that, yeah, mute button or something. Uh,

937
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: that's all right, though dead in some flavor to the show.

938
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: Let's go to Juan from Mexico. Hi'all, what happened to

939
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: the diamond formation or some type of wrinkles in the offense?

940
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: I know they will not magically solve the problems that

941
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: they have on the offensive side of the ball. Correct

942
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. They've not used that type of

943
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: formation or any trick plays at all, aside from putting

944
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones out there, which in some instances it is

945
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: needed to spark some drives. And he also say, oh, hey, Fred,

946
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: how about some extra bonus for Duce and Paul for

947
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: the quick turnaround from the postgame show and pee that

948
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: they had to do. I like that, Huan. I think

949
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: it's a good question that we haven't, you know, like

950
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: they started throw some twists and then all of a sudden,

951
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: that was the Jets game, Right, wasn't the Jets game

952
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: when they used that three three guys in the backfield,

953
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, kind of in a triangle, and they they

954
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: got a couple of good plays. They want one good

955
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: run and then a play action off of that and

956
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: they got a good catch and run from John and Smith.

957
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: It just goes back to running plays, not really building

958
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: an offense week to week, not really having a plan

959
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: to build off of things. And I mean, I know

960
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: Evan wrote about this too, you know, all the play

961
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: action and and the screens that they're doing, you know,

962
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: plays that they can do counter off of that. I

963
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: just don't I don't see it. That doesn't feel like

964
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: they're building to anything. It feels like they're just kind

965
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: of trying to survive each snap. The other part of

966
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: that is when you have those kinds of wrinkles and

967
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: then you do them. Now you've done them, and people

968
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: prepare for them, do you know what I mean? I

969
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: think it becomes a little bit harder just every game.

970
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: And they may have been something very specifically about the

971
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: Jets defense that led them to that course of action,

972
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: because we know how game plan oriented they are. You know,

973
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you they should never do it again,

974
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: because I actually was very complimentary of Patricia that for

975
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: those plays. I thought that was something I hadn't seen

976
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: and they worked. I think, you know, the play to

977
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: get Hunter Henry all By himself. He was uncovered on

978
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: that play last night. That's got to at least some

979
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: have something to do with play design. Yeah, so they

980
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: can do it, they just need to find a way

981
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: to do it more consistently. Kind of spart my thoughts

982
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: going towards the Raiders a little bit with Josh his

983
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: pension for trick plays, timely trick plays, little wrinkles for teams.

984
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: I think there's probably something in store for the Patriots

985
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: coming up this weekend. I would bet that they'll have

986
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of trickeration coming down the pike probably,

987
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: So Fred, how how emotional will you be if Josh

988
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: is fizz pumping? Yeah? I won't like that. But I

989
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: think I think he's learned his lesson respectful respectful clapping.

990
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: I think people have gotten back to him about my thoughts,

991
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: so he knows. Yeah, it's you're probably right. Yeah, we

992
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: take anything from that preseason game, and is there any

993
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: value to having been out there having seen them a

994
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: little bit? Probably a little bit, but no, I mean

995
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: I think that they know what offense Josh is running, obviously,

996
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: so I think it's you know, I think the bigger

997
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: impact is the institutional knowledge that they would bring to

998
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: the table going against the Patriots. Yeah, it's just like that.

999
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: He knows Bill, Bill know him, he knows Patricia probably

1000
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: like what kind of you know, So it's it's tended

1001
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: screens and thing. What would you give to just hear

1002
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel's unadulterated opinion about what the Patriots have been

1003
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: doing on offense this year, just no holds barred. He's

1004
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: just gonna lay it on you. Yeah. I would be

1005
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: there for any shows where you could hear that, like

1006
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: Bill telling you what he really thinks of the opponent,

1007
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: you know, and then that kind of thing, Josh telling

1008
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: you what he really really they replace they replacing me

1009
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: with a defensive coordinator really like I think that'd be

1010
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: great big game. Well, we'll have to keep an eye

1011
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: on h on all these uh you know Hunter, Renfro,

1012
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: Darren Waller, if they're going to practice this week. Um,

1013
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: I just wanted before Uh we should have some food

1014
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: coming soon. Oh god, I'm just seeing the text coming

1015
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: from Hardy right now. And oh never mind, I thought

1016
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: he was gonna he's gonna make fun of me for

1017
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: for hosting hosting. I know people he's on the radio.

1018
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: I just probably still listens to our show though, right

1019
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: it's that time of year. Um good, A quick, quick

1020
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: little plaoff check in, just a quick little one. I

1021
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: know you check in little playoffs. Um. So the Patriots

1022
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: have moved into seventh place, the final spot. The Dolphins

1023
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: are falling a little bit lately here with what is

1024
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: it two straight losses? I believe, yeah, um, and then

1025
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: we know, you know, it's kind of coming down Patriots, Chargers, Jets.

1026
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: Maybe the Jaguars lurking, but really that's it Patriots, Chargers, Jets.

1027
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: And you know when I look at the Chargers schedule

1028
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: Tennessee at Indie, Rams at Denver, I mean very very

1029
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: manageable slate. I'll put it that way. We know the

1030
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: charges of the Chargers. Compare that to the Patriots though,

1031
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, the Bengals, the Dolphins, and then at the Bills. Um,

1032
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: it's a it's the Patriots got the toughest slate. I

1033
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: mean it's really I feel like the Jets too. I

1034
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: think the Chargers would have the easiest. I think the

1035
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: Jets have Detroit at home. Um yeah, Jets are Detroit, Jacksonville,

1036
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: Seattle at Miami. So that's um, like I would say

1037
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: sort of middle. I think the Patriots is the most difficult,

1038
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: the Jets is middle of the road, and the Chargers

1039
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: on paper is easy. I don't think you can pencil

1040
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: and wins for these teams, just like we always say,

1041
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: and Freddie says it all the time. With the Patriots,

1042
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: you can't just assume they're gonna win. I don't think

1043
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: you can assume the Chargers are at a place where

1044
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: you can just write in w's. They lost to Jacksonville

1045
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: at home earlier in the year. I think they lost.

1046
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: They've they've lost some bad games, and we'll see. Right now,

1047
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: it looks like they're plan they're playing well. I thought

1048
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: they played with a lot of emotion the other night

1049
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: against Miami and probably dominated the game for sixty minutes

1050
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: and should have won by multiple scores. And they look

1051
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: up at the end of the game when they're having

1052
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: to recover an onside kick. So I think that they

1053
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: can they can slip up two, but that that's the

1054
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: easiest schedule of the three. The other end of the spectrum,

1055
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. We're talking a little bit off air previously

1056
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: about this, and I think we were cut on the

1057
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: same page. Felt like two games ago against the forty

1058
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: nine ers, it just felt like two it was kind

1059
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: of off. But this last game, this game, it look

1060
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: like everything was off. Is this I think I went

1061
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: into a swoon as this is I wondering out. I

1062
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: wonder if teams are figured them out because everything is

1063
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: over the middle. It seems like he has a hard

1064
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: time pushing the ball to the sidelines. Um, I don't

1065
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: think they've run the ball enough. I wonder if defense

1066
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: is just saying it, we just we we bracket. You know,

1067
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the two thousand and nine Belichick.

1068
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: You know, we bracket Tyreek Hill in the middle and

1069
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: make him go somewhere else. What else are gonna Dole's

1070
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: been quiet lately. I know he's been dealing with some injuries. Um,

1071
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: they don't seem to target him enough. I don't think

1072
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: they get get Sicky involved enough. I think they have

1073
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: a lot of weapons, and it seems like it's very

1074
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill centric that offense. I was so impressed with

1075
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: two him just to see things kind of go. Yeah, Freddie,

1076
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: I was telling I was telling deuced Freddie. I was wrong,

1077
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: you know with my argument with Evan about whether or

1078
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 1: not the offense would look different with Mac, it would

1079
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: look the same. I agree, Yeah, Mac, And two of

1080
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: the last two weeks, I think Mac is perfectly capable

1081
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: of looking like too. I was wrong, Okay, all right,

1082
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: I was being sarcastic too much. Too has been awful, right, Well,

1083
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: I hope it. I hope it continues. I mean, I

1084
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: think that's a big game for Well. I think that's

1085
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, and that's the one I had targeted as

1086
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: a winnable game against the teams that are quote unquote

1087
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: better than the Patriots. Was that one because I just

1088
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: I look at the way to A plays and the

1089
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: way he throws, and I think New Year's Day in Foxborough,

1090
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 1: he's going to be throwing the ball all over the yard.

1091
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. And that defense stinks.

1092
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: Miami's defense is really really decimate. Yeah, I think, you know,

1093
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: other than the Raiders, if there's one game left of

1094
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: the three, I think that's the most winnable. I think

1095
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: it will be that Miami game. Yep. Do you think

1096
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: the Patriots will flip the script in any of these

1097
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: last four games? Like, well, we see something, because I

1098
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: think every game we've seen this season can be put

1099
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: into one of two boxes. You know, they played a

1100
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: good offense, you know, a good team that that they

1101
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: couldn't quite handle, or they played an underman team that

1102
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: they that they handled fairly easily. Do you think that

1103
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: they can change it, that they can flip the script

1104
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: in these last four games? So you know, the words

1105
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: just saying can they win in a different way. I'm

1106
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: not going to predict that. I'm not saying they can't

1107
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: win these games. Like I think the Raiders are established

1108
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: a pattern that they get a lead and they can't

1109
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: hold it because they can't play sixty minutes of offense.

1110
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: I could see that happening and them right where we

1111
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: want them. I could see that happening Sunday. Yeah. Right now. Though,

1112
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: in addition to the offense just not being good this year,

1113
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: now they're dealing with injuries. So you tell me that

1114
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: Parker is going to be okay and Myers is gonna

1115
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: be okay, and you know, believe it or not, wins

1116
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: gonna come back and he's gonna be okay, Then I say, okay,

1117
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: there's a shot to do what you're talking about, dudes.

1118
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: But otherwise you're talking about that abnormal offense to just

1119
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: make up for deficiencies, you know, yeah, yeah, I think

1120
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna need to continue to win games the

1121
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: way they want it. Last night, I think I'm just

1122
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: I know, I've I've I've giving up hoping for otherwise.

1123
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: But I just think I'm just getting bored with this.

1124
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: I'm getting board with the same kind of thing. And

1125
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: I think, you know, that was like where Murray, I

1126
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: think we're all at the point right now, like you know,

1127
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: maybe at some point as a Patriots fan, you see

1128
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback go down on the third player and

1129
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: you're like, yes, thank god, Like I just I want

1130
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: to watch good challenges. I want to watch good quarterbacks.

1131
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 1: I want to see this team, you know, be challenged

1132
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: and not just tee off on a thirteen year vet.

1133
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: Well it's almost like, you know, back in the day

1134
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: when boxing was good, like every once in a while

1135
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: you'd get that really talented boxer who would go up

1136
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: against an unorthodox boxer and he would fits in the

1137
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: ring until he figured him out. Yeah, it's like why

1138
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: Rocky went box right handed against Club or the second

1139
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: time right right right, I'm talking about real. I was

1140
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: going like Ken Norton with the crab, like style that

1141
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: used to bother people. But I gotta connect things to

1142
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: the movies, you guys, you know me. Interesting little observation

1143
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: here email from Sulman. I don't know if you caught this, fred, Um,

1144
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: but he said during the postgame he observed Vance Joseph

1145
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: was shaking Patricia's hands and had a lengthy chat with him.

1146
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: It almost seemed like he was trying to tell Patricia

1147
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 1: that what he said last week about his conservative play

1148
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: calling was not a dig at him, um, just something

1149
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: to come. I did you guys see that at all?

1150
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: I didn't make a kid, but I'll bet you that's

1151
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: exactly what he was saying. Yeah, I'll bet it was too.

1152
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: But you know, we generally shut the game off and

1153
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: start the postgame show, so I didn't get to see

1154
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: um that that exchange take place. But I agree, Fred,

1155
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: I think that is a more than reasonable assumption, especially

1156
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: funny because he did exactly what he said. He did

1157
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: like everything, and I almost said it had little to

1158
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: no success doing it, like I like, like I didn't

1159
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: mean anything by it, but like that's kind of what

1160
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: I was expecting, you know what I mean? Right? Whoops?

1161
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: All right? Andrew got one from Andrew in la Hey,

1162
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: Pp Doocey and webcam Fred. Do you think Josh has

1163
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: a top secret play package touched on this a little

1164
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: bit ready for the pat since they decided he could

1165
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: easily be replaced by pencil an earpencil dc uh Bill

1166
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: who decided calling offense offensive plays was going to be

1167
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: easy for defensive genius. I think that's some added motivation

1168
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: to show off the new lances of offensive play calling.

1169
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: That's your that's your theory. Yeah, well, I mean I

1170
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: don't see it so much as like a I don't know.

1171
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: I don't really I don't really get a vibe of

1172
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: Josh being wronged. I don't think that he's like coming

1173
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: back to I mean maybe in oh nine. I mean,

1174
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: these guys are competitive. Of course he wants to beat

1175
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: beat Bill Belichick. But I don't really spend side a

1176
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: lot of bad blood. Really. Oh, I'm not necessarily saying

1177
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: bad blood. But I do think there's a chance, I

1178
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: know we made light of it ten minutes ago. I

1179
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: do think there's a chance he looks at it and says,

1180
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: that's what he thinks of what I did for him

1181
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: is that I don't really need a replacement. You could

1182
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: just take a defensive coach and put him in there

1183
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: because play calling doesn't really matter. I think that he

1184
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: could think like that. I don't know. I don't I

1185
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: haven't talked to him. I don't know that he's thinking

1186
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: like that, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was. Well,

1187
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: I know, once the game is on, it's kind of on.

1188
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: I mean it's not you know, your feelings are kind

1189
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: of out the window. You want to win, and you

1190
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: know that's stuff. Anything you need for motivation is probably

1191
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: on the table. I also think that they like, you know,

1192
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: not that it was his offense, it's Ron Earhart's you know,

1193
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: original principles, but they also got away from the offense

1194
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: when he left, Like what you were doing was no good? Yeah,

1195
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: Like I could see him taking that as a slight wow. Yeah,

1196
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,479
Speaker 1: I don't or you know, the coaching fraternity is tight.

1197
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: So like if they did, in fact try to get

1198
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,479
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien and he couldn't because you know, Saban didn't

1199
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: want to let him go this year, Josh would know that.

1200
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: Josh would know that well they tried to get Bill

1201
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: O'Brien could point to point and like he had no

1202
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: real alternative to turn to. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah.

1203
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: You guys were talking in the pregame show about you know,

1204
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: Bill's unwillingness to bring in a name from the outside

1205
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: that hasn't been connected to him in the past, and

1206
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: it's so true. It worries me a little bit because

1207
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: I just worried if if all the eggs are in

1208
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: the O'Brien basket, and then what happens if he's not

1209
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: available or not interested. Yeah, I mean a few times

1210
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: they did it was on defense, right, they brought in

1211
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: Dean P's and they brought caper Dom Capers in once

1212
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: kind of a backup in case Bill got The Capers

1213
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: thing was a little bit different. Yeah, but what was

1214
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: Billy oh before he came to an offensive assistant. When

1215
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: he came offensive assistant, Yeah, well but he wasn't attached

1216
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,959
Speaker 1: to the team, that's that's no. But but he didn't

1217
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: come in as offensive coordinator. Oh, he can't like that.

1218
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: Like they've done that other time. They've brought guys into

1219
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: the system as low level assistance, and that's what they

1220
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: did with Bill O'Brien, despite the fact that he had

1221
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: immense experience when he got here. He started it almost

1222
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: ground zero. Yeah. I also just wonder if, if you know,

1223
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: this whole thing of changing the offense, changing the terminology,

1224
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, does it necessarily restrict you to having to

1225
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: go with guys that you've worked with in the past, Like,

1226
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: is it as much is it as valuable now to say,

1227
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: go to Bill O'Brien or Chattosha or guys that had

1228
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: experience in that system. Is it even the same system?

1229
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: Is it even the same terminology? And if so, like

1230
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: the why why even bothers stick him with those guys

1231
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: other I mean, of course there's he knows them, and

1232
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: it's people that he trusts. But I mean, I said

1233
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: last night, it's just it'd be fun to merge something new,

1234
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: a new dynamic, a new guy who has his own

1235
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: way of doing things, to bring him in and then

1236
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, to allow Bill to you know, work with

1237
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: him and to construct the offense. I don't know. I

1238
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: just I think that the brain drain overall between Ernie leaving,

1239
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: Nick Casserio leaving and you think about what those guys

1240
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: did on game day to now you know, you basically

1241
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: have Matt Patricia doing Dante's job, Josh's job, Ernie's job

1242
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: and Cassario's job, it's you know, in some ways as

1243
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: as the senior football advisor, I just think they need reinforcements.

1244
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: They need to restock some of the shelves with some

1245
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: young coaches with some new perspectives. Especially. That's what I

1246
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: want to see, Freddie is like a you know, one

1247
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: of these young wonder kinds, like you know, like why

1248
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: can't we get one of those? Like we have Marcus

1249
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: Jones who's doing all these electric things. Why can't we

1250
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: get a young coach that's doing all these electric things too?

1251
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: Just real quick, I'm looking up Dean P's here. He

1252
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: came in and Old four as the linebackers O four

1253
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: and Old five he was the linebackers coach, so even

1254
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: he and that, you know, he he came in as

1255
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: a positional coach and then god when when Mangini left,

1256
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: became the defensive coordinator. Um and he also had time

1257
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: at Michigan State in the late nineties which probably tied

1258
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: him to saving Yeah. Yeah, so he kind of wasn't

1259
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: always something there's always some connection. Yeah, it's been uh,

1260
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: it's been funny recently though, with you know, guys like

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Speaker 1: go the plays touchdown and it's still a touchdown Patriot.

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Speaker 1: Two turnovers have led to the lead and insurance. Here

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Speaker 1: early in the fourth m McCoy takes the low snap

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Speaker 1: and dropped back cock the ploding got a quarterback goes

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Speaker 1: back to back Wow, he run the Patriot twenty eight

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01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: McCoy dropped back and left these pressure by two fire

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01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: dot he curled right into the arms of the Patriots

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01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 1: linebacker coming in from the left edge of the defense

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Speaker 1: with a sack back of the Arizona thirty seven snap

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Speaker 1: back to McCoy. He's under pressure and both McCoys book

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Speaker 1: to stun around Jaya, the linebacker having another terrific performance,

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Speaker 1: a multi sad game for John who Jay in Arizona

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Speaker 1: forty seconds to go and counting one more time. Matt

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Speaker 1: Jones to the knee of the second year quarterback for

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Speaker 1: the Patriots with a very productive night twenty four and

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Speaker 1: thirty five two hundred and thirty five yards, casting a

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Speaker 1: big Joe gallantriel to Hunter Henry on the putaway score

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Speaker 1: the Rookies contributing Marcus Jones with the intersection Kevin Harris

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Speaker 1: with a touchdown run a mile stilled for him save

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Speaker 1: for Pierre Strong and the Patriots whit but were the

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Speaker 1: That was Fred Kurse calling in from home after a

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Speaker 1: long flight back flight was all right, Fred, they're getting back.

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01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: Did you get a whole road of yourself to stretch out? Yeah?

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01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: I mean, like like even Zola cat room to stretch out. So, yeah,

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01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: it's his birthday today. What's that birth birthday today? It's yeah,

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01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: But unlike you he he blew off his show. Yeah,

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01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: you're you're here for the show. He's not coming in.

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01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: I thought don bottom a cake. Yeah, I think he

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01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: might be coming to shoot something later. How many candles

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01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: are supposed to go on back three pieces? Bad guy,

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01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: what a bad guy? Fat Shamy on national television, well

1512
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: focal television. Back to that wake up three to sixty.

1513
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I just wake up. I think he

1514
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: went to sleep on eighty. I just saw an add

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01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 1: on it there he's he's still he's still hawking that product.

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01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 1: So I don't know, yeah, I because he's on there.

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01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: Um So Freddie, did you guys travel back with the

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01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: Patriots contingent or Oh, here's what happened is um? So

1519
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: obviously we all go to the stadium together, but on

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01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: the way home, instead of six buses, they had eight buses.

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01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: Seven of the buses went to Tucson UM and they

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01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: had the extra buses so that they could spread out

1523
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: because it was a two hour drive from blood Dale

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01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: to Tucson. On. So they had seven buses went to

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01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 1: uh Tucson, and then the eighth bus went to the airport.

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01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: That's the one I was on. The marketing people, A

1527
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: couple of doctors went back, and uh the nine eight

1528
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: point five people went back except for Capella Nice. So

1529
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 1: you guys did all travel back with the Patriots to

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01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: get like one of the Patriots plants or like on

1531
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: agular the Patriots plane coming back. Yeah, yeah, okay, that's

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01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 1: that's what I meant. Yeah, the life of luxury. Uh.

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01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: Kicking us off here in the second hour, Spi and

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01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: Fresno writing in, who is having a good time last night?

1535
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: I think, based on the Speed was funny last night

1536
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: he's done his call. He just kept walking down the

1537
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: question and then he kept apologizing with then trying to

1538
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: get it out. But speedwrites in and something. I've been

1539
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: wondering what's more likely next the next year that Bill

1540
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 1: runs it back with coach map Patricia slash pencil, beer

1541
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: dis heat refers to him here, or Craft finds a

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01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 1: new head coach. I think it's the former, and I'm

1543
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: concerned there's a greater than fifty percent chance of it happening. Um.

1544
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: I don't think Bill could have probably predicted it would

1545
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: have been this bad. But I feel like he was

1546
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: ready to take the slings and arrows to give some

1547
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: development to Patricia. And I can see where speis coming

1548
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 1: from that he's going to use this to anything. We

1549
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,600
Speaker 1: said let him focus on maybe just the offense and

1550
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: take some other things off his plate um. But I

1551
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: don't I don't think speis alone in being a little

1552
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 1: worried that that that we're going to try to return

1553
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: with this kind of same offensive plan. So he's saying,

1554
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: what is more likely he runs it back as the

1555
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: same or what or the Crafts find a new head coach.

1556
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: He runs it back the same. Yeah, so that's my opinion.

1557
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: What do you think, Freddie, we've lost Freddie Uncle Freddy?

1558
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: We don't have Uncle Freddy. What I'm sorry, it's not

1559
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:45,560
Speaker 1: an email. So what is more likely? Bill runs it

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01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: back with the same cast of characters with Patricia as

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01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, or Craft steps in and relieves him

1562
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: of head coaching duties. Oh geez, that's neither or huh.

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01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: What's more like? More likely of those two is more

1564
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 1: of the same. Yeah, he runs it back. That's what

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01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: That's what I picked two is that. But we're gonna

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01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 1: rate what I said two weeks ago on our show

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01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: there will be an offensive shake up in the offseason. Yeah,

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01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: that wasn't one of the ob no, I know, but

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01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 1: I just want to clarify that that's what I really

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01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: think is gonna So I want to you brought up

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01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: before the break, Freddie. You know our conversation last night

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01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: about you know, a young innovative mind or whatever, blah

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01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,560
Speaker 1: blah blah. The reason that came up is, you know,

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01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: I was I was asking about Bill O'Brien and what

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01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 1: happens if they're not able to make him the offensive

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01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 1: coordinator next year? Right? What do you feel will happen? Then?

1577
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: Do you still feel there'll be a shake up offensively?

1578
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:54,600
Speaker 1: I do. I don't. I just don't see an option. Yeah, no,

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01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: I And you know, I don't necessarily think it will

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01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: be because Robert kraw telling him to do it. Um.

1581
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: But I think that I just think that he's not

1582
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 1: blind to it. You know, like we've talked about it before.

1583
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: Bill knows more about He's forgotten more about football than

1584
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: we'll ever know, and he sees what's going on. He

1585
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: sees the limitations of this offense, UM, and he knows

1586
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:31,480
Speaker 1: you know that he Patricia's in a bad spot. There's

1587
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: gonna have to be changes. It's not acceptable. It's not acceptable,

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01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: And I'm sure the first person it's not acceptable is him.

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01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,480
Speaker 1: Do you think that he feels like it's not acceptable

1590
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: because of the coaching or because of the players. Uh?

1591
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,680
Speaker 1: I think both. I think both. I think you know,

1592
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: the coach is picking the players. No, I mean I

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01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: meant like, it's unacceptable because of what they're doing, structure

1594
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: of what they're doing, the play calling, the path, you know,

1595
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: the game plant whatever. I think if he thought that,

1596
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: I think if he thought that, he would change it. Well,

1597
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: think about what's fair. Let's just say that you think

1598
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: it's the player. Let's think is it fair then to

1599
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: put a guy who's never coached offense in there if

1600
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:20,560
Speaker 1: you think that you're lacking talent, and then if you

1601
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: don't think no, But if he thinks like that and

1602
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 1: he doesn't think it's fair, And here's the thing, Paul,

1603
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: And if you don't think that you're lacking talent, then

1604
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: you have to say it's the coaching. So you're you're

1605
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,600
Speaker 1: in a pickle here. Yeah, but the first but the

1606
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: first one is the reason why you would stay status quo. Like, No,

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01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: I put him in an unfair situation. He didn't have

1608
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: the horses, and he's learning with guys that aren't ready

1609
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: to do it yet. So I got to give him

1610
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: more time. Yeah, that's my that's my fear. Yeah, and

1611
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: you're assuming he's gonna get him the horses. No, I

1612
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: think he might be assuming it'll be better now that

1613
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 1: he has year two under his belt with these guys.

1614
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 1: That's what I worry about. Yeah, I think the question

1615
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: I keep kind of coming back to recently is what,

1616
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, what is the craft's tolerance level for five

1617
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: hundred football teams? You know? And I think that there

1618
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: is value that Bill Belichick brings to this organization. I

1619
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 1: don't want to say independent of how the team does

1620
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 1: on the field, but certainly his resume, his championships, his experience,

1621
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 1: the way he's respected around the league, like, you know,

1622
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 1: those things give New England a you know, a characteristic

1623
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: that they can promote. And I you know, trying to

1624
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 1: look at the team like, not as a fan, not

1625
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 1: as a coach, but as an owner. It's it's it's

1626
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: a difficult kind of pair of glasses to put on

1627
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: and figure out, you know, how do you balance out? Yeah,

1628
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 1: we might be a five hundred team for the next

1629
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: few years, but there's also value in having Bill here?

1630
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: Is that more value? Is that enough value for the

1631
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: owners than if you were to say, blow it up,

1632
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: go try to find some new players slash coaches to

1633
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: get people excited about because I just I don't think

1634
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: anybody really looks at this team ever from like a

1635
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: an owner's perspective. Usually you're a fan, you're a coach,

1636
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: but an owner's got a unique kind of thing to

1637
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: a unique line to walk between, you know, maintaining the

1638
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: interest in the team, but also you know, having a

1639
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: product you can sell and having a product that your

1640
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: fans are excited about and you know you're going to

1641
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 1: get people in the stadium to watch. That's that's why

1642
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: I am is how how willing are they to put

1643
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: up with this? Because right now it seems like they

1644
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: can bang out five hundred seasons, like you know, kind

1645
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: of no matter what they have, Like they'll beat the

1646
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: bad teams, they'll probably lose the good teams. But I

1647
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: think as long as Bill stays here, they'll probably be

1648
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 1: in this seven, eight, nine, ten win range no matter what,

1649
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: unless they hit on stars and then that kind of

1650
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 1: change the right And what I like, I said, what

1651
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: I would be concerned about is, and I know, Fred,

1652
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: you and I have invented the phrase, don't listen to

1653
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 1: what Bill says, watch what he does. We haven't seen

1654
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: what he's going to do yet, so we can't watch

1655
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: what he's doing. But listening to what he's saying, it

1656
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: seems like he's making a lot of excuses for the offense.

1657
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: I think that the one consistent theme after a lot

1658
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 1: of these games is he's telling you what's it's it's

1659
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: better than you thought it was. He doesn't say those words,

1660
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,759
Speaker 1: but even last night at halftime, he told Lisa Salters,

1661
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, we're you know, we've done a lot of

1662
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 1: good things here. We just have to, you know, clean

1663
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 1: up some of the mistakes. We're close. I don't think

1664
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: they were close last night to a good offensive night,

1665
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: not as Fred said, not with that approach. And you know,

1666
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 1: he continues to talk about the turnovers, and you know,

1667
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 1: when we throw it down, feel like I think he's

1668
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 1: making excuse. Now, maybe he's just trying to do his

1669
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 1: friend to solid It could be as simple as that.

1670
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: We'll see what he does when the time comes. But

1671
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 1: I think he has gone out of his way three

1672
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: or four times over the last couple of weeks to

1673
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 1: say we needed to stop turning the ball over. That's

1674
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: why we've changed the way we call plays. It's not

1675
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 1: about the plays we do. Stop turning it over. Yeah, Well,

1676
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: I go back to a couple of weeks ago, and

1677
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: it was that rare moment where he might have been

1678
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 1: saying what he really thought when he said, you know,

1679
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 1: making wholesale changes in the middle of season isn't really

1680
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 1: gonna help, is gonna Why say that if you don't

1681
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 1: think that any changes are necessary at all? You know so?

1682
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,719
Speaker 1: And then he kind of walked that back the next week.

1683
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: But again, he's not blind, you know, he sees what

1684
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 1: we see. Ye, so I can't imagine nothing will happen

1685
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: in the off season. Let's jump over to the phones

1686
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 1: that were shot in Baltimore. Hey, we shot. What's going on?

1687
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 1: What's up? What's up? I guess I got I got

1688
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 1: a few things like the gang. I mean, I'm I'm

1689
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: happy we won last night. But the offense is just brutal,

1690
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: like screens draws, just throw to the flats. Like I'm like,

1691
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: can we can we come up with any type of

1692
01:24:54,560 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: like more more like advanced concept on of offense like Mac.

1693
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 1: I definitely feel like MAC isn't getting a sad chance,

1694
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,560
Speaker 1: and I think it should. I think it should be

1695
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 1: a complete like you, like you said, for a complete

1696
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 1: overhaul of the offense. I mean, I think we should

1697
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 1: only bring back Parker and thought the old line needs

1698
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: every like besides Andrew's and or when you everybody needs

1699
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 1: to be and strange, but everybody needs to be evaluated

1700
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 1: and even strange. We can bring a vetteran Than to

1701
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: compete with him running back. I guess we're good because

1702
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: we just drafted them, but I feel like everybody can

1703
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: be challenged, Like the whole offense needs to be overhauled.

1704
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 1: The coaching too, because we need we need a talent,

1705
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 1: but we need to we need the coaching to push

1706
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: the talent. But I feel like we don't. We don't

1707
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 1: have neither one. Like the players we have, they're okay,

1708
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: they're good, but we need we need a stud we

1709
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: need we need we just need a superstar. That's all. Yeah, yeah, superstar,

1710
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 1: that's all. But I hear what he's saying. You know,

1711
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: you look around the league and everybody's doing it. I

1712
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 1: hear the same people, you know talk about that number

1713
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,560
Speaker 1: one receiver, you know, the true number one guy that

1714
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 1: you have to game plan for that makes everybody better.

1715
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 1: All the good teams got it, all the all the

1716
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: contending teams have it. You know, I would agree quarterback,

1717
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just feel like that even if we

1718
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: had like a good beast tight end or a beast

1719
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 1: running back, like just somebody that they have the game

1720
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 1: planning around. Like you don't even have to be a

1721
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: wide receiver. It could be like Kansas City has Travis Kelsey. Yeah,

1722
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: Kansas City's beast is is a tight end. It's it's Kelsey.

1723
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: It's not a it's not one of the receivers and

1724
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,640
Speaker 1: their quarterback. You know, I know that. But like a

1725
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: lot of these teams have good quarterbacks, but all the

1726
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 1: best teams have the quarterback with a stud that needs

1727
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 1: to be game planning for. Like Fred just said, Yeah,

1728
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: I was just to highlight there are a handful of

1729
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 1: teams where the quarterback is that guy and you can

1730
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: get rid of Tyreek Hill and still you know, it

1731
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: does have Travis Kelsey. But you know, just to not

1732
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: all quarterbacks that like that. But I think you certainly

1733
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:16,759
Speaker 1: have an advantaionment that one. All right, thanks for sharing,

1734
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,560
Speaker 1: Oh go ahead, yeah, now I agree with them. I

1735
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: agree with Rashard. I do think in a name, I'm

1736
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: starting to you know, Evan and I were talking about

1737
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: te Higgins a little bit last week, and you know,

1738
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 1: I just kind of looking ahead and seeing what happened

1739
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 1: last offseason, a lot of those wide receivers on the

1740
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: rookie contracts with a year to go started asking for money.

1741
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,759
Speaker 1: And that's where te Higgins will be in the off season.

1742
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 1: He'll have a year left on his rookie deal. The

1743
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 1: Bengals are notoriously cheap, YEA. With Mike Brown, I think

1744
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: that they'll probably have an eye toward Joe Burrow and

1745
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 1: down the road Jamar Chase, and maybe they can't retain

1746
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 1: t Higgins and Tyler Boyd and pay Burrow and Chase.

1747
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 1: So maybe he kicks and screams. Maybe he's happy to

1748
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 1: be there, Maybe he wants to be part of that

1749
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 1: next year, you know, and play out his rookie deal

1750
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 1: and then cash in. But maybe he does the Terry

1751
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: McLaurin or the Deebo Samuel or the A. J. Brown

1752
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: and says, I need, I need mine, I need I

1753
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:24,600
Speaker 1: need to get a contract now. And if you're not

1754
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 1: going to give it to me, then then trade me.

1755
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: How would you do that? I'll take if you were

1756
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 1: the Bengals, like, how would you do it with with

1757
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: the guys that they have? And you know, I mean clearly,

1758
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,560
Speaker 1: how would I do it. Yeah. If I was in

1759
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: charge of the Bengals, I would pay that that nucleus.

1760
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 1: I think that's the team. Which what's what's nucleus? You

1761
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 1: mean just Burrow, Chase Borrow, Chase Higgins, Boyd. I think

1762
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 1: that's the team and then just roll it over wherever

1763
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: else you have to. Yeah, I mean I think you

1764
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 1: you try to maintain like the pieces on defense because

1765
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: I think they have an underrated defense. I think Hendrickson

1766
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 1: and Hubbard are pretty good upfront. Um. I think Bates

1767
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 1: is a is a solid seay. I think that he

1768
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: franchise was a franchise might be out. I would you know,

1769
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: let you know my feelings on this. It's money. Do

1770
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: you have the money? Everybody has the money if you

1771
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: were an owner in that league, it's whether or not

1772
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: you want to spend it. Yeah, and you can always

1773
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 1: figure out a way to make it work on the cap.

1774
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 1: I'd love to see how what's Joe Burrow, But they'll

1775
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: they'll hide behind the cap because they don't want to

1776
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 1: spend the money. And that's and Fred will tell you

1777
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 1: that's Mike Brown's mo. He doesn't spend money. I wonder

1778
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 1: what the mo is this for? The Patriots, you know,

1779
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 1: after the twenty twenty one offseason, and you know, I

1780
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 1: think just some of the lessons, I don't think anyone

1781
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: expected them all to be slam dunks. But I just

1782
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: also think it's still very much a cautionary tale of

1783
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 1: how many things you might have to throw at the

1784
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 1: wall to find a Matthew jude On. You know, you're

1785
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: not getting probably the production you want out of just

1786
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 1: about anybody else from that class. You know. Yeah, let's

1787
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 1: head down to Florida and say hello to Eddie. Hey, Eddy,

1788
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 1: what's going on? Hey guys, what's going on? He all?

1789
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: You remind me if somebody I grew up with man

1790
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 1: with your one line miners on the postgame show, somebody

1791
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 1: that Niagara falls and you come up with nis. I

1792
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 1: got the Stoges bredference right away. Yeah that was hardy.

1793
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah no, he laughed, party laughed. Oh yeah, I'm sure

1794
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 1: some people get it, but I get all of them.

1795
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: Fred once was talking about injuries. He said, yeah, Born

1796
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 1: has a toe. You said, yeah, he's at ten of them,

1797
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 1: and you start it under your breath and I just

1798
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: started cracking up. Yeah. Anyways, I just want I'm an

1799
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 1: acquired taste I'm not for everybody, I have to add,

1800
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's freaking hilarious. I appreciate it. Um. There's

1801
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: two categories that I came up with, like, I'm fine

1802
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,640
Speaker 1: with a lot of our talent, but one category is

1803
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:46,719
Speaker 1: players that disappear, and another category is the invisible players.

1804
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 1: I put Jonas with the name John H. Smith under

1805
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 1: the invisible. I mean he's invisible, but under the category

1806
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 1: of disappear. You know, one game he's great, one game

1807
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,879
Speaker 1: he's not. There's two guys come to mind, obviously, Ago

1808
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 1: and I think Petrich Wise falls under that, and I

1809
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 1: love THEE But who do you who else falls under

1810
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 1: those categories? Guys lately, I would say Judean, I think

1811
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:14,719
Speaker 1: he reappeared. Um last night, Well, I was gonna say, Judean,

1812
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 1: you don't have trouble set in the edge. But yes,

1813
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: that's pretty consistent. Oh no, he's I mean, his sack

1814
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 1: totals are off the charts, but I think they come

1815
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 1: in bunches. And I think that early in the year

1816
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 1: it was like every game he was and then all

1817
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 1: of a sudden they hit the skids and lose two

1818
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: in a row, and you didn't really notice him at

1819
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 1: all in those two games, the two games that they lost,

1820
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 1: And I agree with you. I think he does have

1821
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 1: trouble setting the edge at times like that was a

1822
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 1: big run that Connor had off the goal line last night.

1823
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 1: He was good because a big guy. I wonder how

1824
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 1: much I shoulder. I know everybody, like you know, everyone

1825
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: kind of claps back at you and I with our

1826
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 1: concerns about run defense. And every time the other team

1827
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: runs the ball, well it's because they weren't concerned with

1828
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:02,640
Speaker 1: the running game. That's great. But the other guy, I

1829
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 1: averaged just like six yards of carry last night. Yeah, like,

1830
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that's great. Yep, dragging some guys. Thanks Ed,

1831
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Yeah, what I mean. And we talked

1832
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 1: about Josh Jacob's coming up. But mean we lose Uncle Freddie. No,

1833
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm here, Okay, I'm just I'm taking it all in.

1834
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 1: He's reliving the pandemic shows and we all were at

1835
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: our your grotto. Megan was outside jealous. I don't really

1836
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 1: have a jurious backyard. I was on a deck. You

1837
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 1: just look like you were living your best life, sitting

1838
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 1: by the pool. You know. It's like I'm not sitting

1839
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:39,600
Speaker 1: in the studio down here. Got some emails coming in

1840
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,719
Speaker 1: here a keel from Brooklyn on the topic of bringing

1841
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,679
Speaker 1: in an offensive an outside offensive coordinator who hadn't coached

1842
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 1: under Bill. Is there anyone in college football that Belichick

1843
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 1: holds in high regard like he did Sciano? I asked,

1844
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 1: because that was the three week period a few years

1845
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 1: ago where Sciano was going to be our DC before

1846
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 1: he resigned for personal reasons. I gave it a thought

1847
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 1: and couldn't really think of anyone. Maybe Tom Herman, that

1848
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 1: is Herman not they have a former Texas coach. Yeah,

1849
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 1: he said he heard him right, he heard Bill spoke

1850
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 1: at a coaching clinton that Herman put on when he

1851
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: was in Texas. I don't know. Bill kind of knows everybody,

1852
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: doesn't he I'm not a college football guy. Hard to Yeah,

1853
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna identify a college guy, but I think

1854
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 1: that would be hard to imagine. I hear it. That's

1855
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: the big talk, let's go. It is funny though, because,

1856
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 1: like I mean, having watched more Holy Cross football this

1857
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: year than any other, probably non Patriots team, I watched him, Like,

1858
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 1: what is his offense? I don't know. He's just got

1859
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 1: a great He's got a great quarterback, and you know

1860
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 1: the kid just gonna tell you an absolute warrior. Like

1861
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 1: I don't really see like these kids can only win

1862
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 1: so many games with that offensive coordinator that looks like that,

1863
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: that just puts it all back. That offensive coordinate. It

1864
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,640
Speaker 1: does not look like an offensive coordinator. Oh you mean

1865
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 1: the guy that it actually is the offensive he's a

1866
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 1: former offensive lineman from holy Cross. Not surprised, but he

1867
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 1: still dresses like he's an offensive I mean, like the

1868
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:00,040
Speaker 1: big purple headband I think his name is Chris and

1869
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 1: the win of itch hair. Yeah, he's doing it. He's

1870
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,679
Speaker 1: doing a good job. Good job. Quick congratulations to the Crusaders.

1871
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:07,639
Speaker 1: They dropped the tough one there to South SOUTHDA Coasts.

1872
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 1: A good game. I watched a big chunk of that game.

1873
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 1: I was very The score is very deceptive. That game

1874
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: was much more competitively put everything they had into it,

1875
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 1: and uh just one of the one of the best

1876
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: seasons in holy Cross history. So told the coaches out

1877
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 1: there to hold their heads high. It was a really

1878
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,600
Speaker 1: really great season. Bill Vista, California. I don't know what

1879
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 1: the draft looks like in terms of wide receivers, but

1880
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:28,640
Speaker 1: what about trading a pick for Jerry Judy. I heard

1881
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:30,720
Speaker 1: rumors of the Broncos shopping him around, and I don't

1882
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: see the Broncos being able to draft the decent QB either,

1883
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:34,719
Speaker 1: So that's an Evan thing too. He kind of like Judy.

1884
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 1: Judy would be my secondary choice for T. Higgins is

1885
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:41,600
Speaker 1: the one I have over that. Yeah, I just but

1886
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: are you're willing to pay draft capital for that? Like

1887
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 1: a J. Brown cost a first round pick? Are you

1888
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 1: willing to do that for a T. Higgs dry Judy?

1889
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 1: Probably I wouldn't have to do it for you. Probably

1890
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to do a one for Judy for a J. Brown.

1891
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 1: I get it, you know, I get it. I mean,

1892
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 1: I just always liked T. Higgins. Will probably cost you

1893
01:34:56,720 --> 01:35:00,759
Speaker 1: a one. I don't know, I horn because I always

1894
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:02,799
Speaker 1: like to get our guys, you know, like just invested

1895
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 1: in the drop pick that you got on your turn,

1896
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 1: not like that thing. I can't rich you up, not

1897
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: like that. Like she was like, oh, but we do

1898
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:14,600
Speaker 1: it the right way. No, No, it's more about we

1899
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 1: don't plage other teams. We just do it the right way.

1900
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:18,720
Speaker 1: I know, It's why I think though, it's more it's

1901
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: not so much about believing in this like philosophy that

1902
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 1: you know you can you can do it easily and

1903
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 1: perfectly all yourself. But it's just I think you, you know,

1904
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 1: have a certain level of attachment to the guys that

1905
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 1: you draft, and they're like your guys, like Marcus Jones

1906
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 1: is our guy. You know, I like that feeling, and

1907
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it for guy. But did you

1908
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 1: like did you? And the answer to this could be yes,

1909
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 1: like did you like Edelman more than Welker? Because not

1910
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 1: I'm not asking if you liked Edelman more than Welker,

1911
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:52,560
Speaker 1: because that's I mean, whatever you like. But did you

1912
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,560
Speaker 1: like Edelman more than Welker because Edelman was drafted and

1913
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:57,560
Speaker 1: Welker was traded? For putting me on the couch, and

1914
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 1: I gotta say, no, I gotta say I like them

1915
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 1: both the same. I mean, you know I have a favorite,

1916
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 1: asked me to choose, I have a favorite, but I like,

1917
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 1: you're putting me on the couch. No, And again, if like,

1918
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 1: if your answer is I like Edelman better, yeah, like

1919
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 1: that's that's your opinion. It's perfectly acceptable. But do you

1920
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 1: like him better? Because no, no, No, I think that's

1921
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 1: a stra's that's that's good. I like Edelman better because

1922
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:20,639
Speaker 1: I just thought he was a better player. That's that's fine,

1923
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: and I would disagree, but that's that's okay. I I

1924
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 1: love both those guys. I mean, but what do you

1925
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 1: think Freddie's standpoint? It always comes down to, you know,

1926
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 1: like the guy you drafted is probably cheaper than the

1927
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 1: guy that's all around. Help. Yeah, I mean that. I mean,

1928
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 1: if you're asking me what I'd rather draft a guy

1929
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 1: who turns out to be a stud or acquire a

1930
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: guy who's a stud. Yes, I'll take the drafted because

1931
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 1: they're the same player. And you're right, fred the drafted

1932
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 1: guy is going to be cheaper, right. And I remember,

1933
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, remember when when Welker and Edelman were both

1934
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:57,240
Speaker 1: on the team and there was this move to kind

1935
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 1: of replace Welker. Remember that? Yeah? And that thirteen Yeah,

1936
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 1: that was it was an interesting part of the I thought,

1937
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: the the Edelman um football life, Yeah, where he talked

1938
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 1: about that and sort of being it was a little

1939
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: uneasy the way that kind of went down. Yeah, let's

1940
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 1: check in with Eldred Denoth Carolina. Hey, Eldred, what's going

1941
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:20,879
Speaker 1: on twelve? And maybe I'll tell y'all doing today good

1942
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 1: seem like Fred the jet lag huh lag one one

1943
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 1: of the two. Yeah, but we're all a little chill

1944
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: all heard y'all talking earlier. Everybody know Bill is going

1945
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 1: to run it back. He ain't gonna try to, you know,

1946
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:38,679
Speaker 1: called for some reason, he thinks he's way of way

1947
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 1: of doing things. It is the best way of doing things.

1948
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 1: And even though if I could, he can't see the

1949
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:45,679
Speaker 1: fast with the trees, that adversity in it, but he doesn't.

1950
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 1: So I think he's still living on that reputation and

1951
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 1: still coming down to realization that this stuff is not working,

1952
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 1: and not with bat Patricia. I got a bott believe,

1953
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 1: but unhappy Like I can't. I can't tell, like if

1954
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 1: you got to gave him the truth serum and he'd

1955
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 1: be like, no, the offense is actually pretty good this year. Like,

1956
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 1: I think he thinks there's an issue. I think Fred

1957
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 1: is right. I think he's like he didn't win nine

1958
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 1: million games and nine million Super Bowls not understanding football. Yeah,

1959
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 1: I think he understands there's a problem. I just feel

1960
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 1: like he thinks the best solution isn't the same thing

1961
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 1: that you and I might think is the best solution.

1962
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 1: And I think he probably thinks that I can get

1963
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, who's gonna do things the way I know

1964
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 1: he'll do them, So you know the devil, I know, Yes,

1965
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:32,680
Speaker 1: if I have to do someone that I don't know,

1966
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 1: and I don't know how the mix is gonna work,

1967
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's gonna make a change. Yeah,

1968
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 1: I don't develop. Yeah he'll get there, he'll figure it out.

1969
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 1: We'll have a new what I think, And he ain't

1970
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:50,719
Speaker 1: gonna never figure it out because, like I see, people

1971
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 1: aren't from the goal. One o the teams doing the

1972
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 1: weekend one guy run the slant guy run a post corner.

1973
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 1: They crossed between touchdown yet you know, or slant down

1974
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 1: on the gold line, you know, or stayed you know

1975
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 1: like this you haven't got to that part yet, Like

1976
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 1: that's part of the playbook. He's still studying. That was

1977
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:13,640
Speaker 1: a little like to me, and let me throw a

1978
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:15,639
Speaker 1: name at name at y'all. I know you're about telling

1979
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 1: about wide receiver. I love to have one too, because

1980
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm a wide receiver guy. But I've been saying it

1981
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 1: for fifteen years, so that's true. But there's two corners

1982
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: that you can go get next here and the two

1983
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 1: teams trying to run them off, and they both know

1984
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: they played pretty good. Mike Davis s the Chargers that

1985
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 1: number forty three that covered creting them and because they've

1986
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 1: been trying to run the mark because they got the

1987
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 1: other two guys. And there's this other guy off the Panthers.

1988
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 1: I think he's number forty eight. I've got his name,

1989
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, ticks one space and it ran very well

1990
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:52,120
Speaker 1: with anybody else love him covering press and man sold.

1991
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: I do think corner wouldn't be a bad idea. No,

1992
01:39:57,920 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 1: I think it's and I was gonna just say I

1993
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 1: think it's and myself included. I think we've been, you know,

1994
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:04,840
Speaker 1: lulled to sleep a little bit on the cornerbacks. I

1995
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 1: think the front has offset some of those concerns that

1996
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:11,639
Speaker 1: we correctly had going into the season. And I think

1997
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:13,599
Speaker 1: they need I mean, it's hard to get a guy

1998
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 1: when you have so many other needs, and I'd put

1999
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 1: tackle above it. And I think they do a great

2000
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:21,679
Speaker 1: job generally developing corners. But Jonathan Jones is a free agent.

2001
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 1: You know, Mills has been out for a little bit.

2002
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anybody's gonna call him a

2003
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 1: number one receiver or sorry, number one cornerback. So I

2004
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 1: think it's another it's another need too. You know, at

2005
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:33,960
Speaker 1: some point you got to kind of resign that they

2006
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 1: can coach up certain positions better than others. But I

2007
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 1: think you got to get back to having a guy

2008
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,400
Speaker 1: like that like they did for most of the last decade.

2009
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 1: I would got to stop the offensive tracking out to defense,

2010
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 1: but I want to go back to the offense. You know,

2011
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 1: we talk about what does Bill think about the offense

2012
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 1: as a whole, but a lot of this is a

2013
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 1: lot of what's going to happen in the future is

2014
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:00,720
Speaker 1: what does Bill think about mac Jones. Does he really

2015
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:03,760
Speaker 1: believe in mac Jones? Does he think he can be

2016
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:06,719
Speaker 1: the guy? And so much of what we'll see happen.

2017
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:10,439
Speaker 1: I think this offseason is based on what he thinks

2018
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 1: of Mac. I think that's a great point. And I

2019
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 1: think also if he thinks enough of Mac Jones to

2020
01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 1: definitively want to continue working with him, I think that

2021
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 1: has to weigh into the thought process of making a change,

2022
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:32,160
Speaker 1: because clearly there's not a good mix there with Mac

2023
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 1: Jones and Matt Patricia. I gotta go on mute for

2024
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 1: a second. I got somebody here, all right, So I

2025
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:40,679
Speaker 1: just I feel like the whole I mean, we've seen

2026
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 1: it festering from the summer, and now it's coming to

2027
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 1: a head under that spotlight of these national cameras the

2028
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. Mike, Well, I just I guess

2029
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:52,000
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about right now is what's the difference

2030
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:55,080
Speaker 1: between specifically doing it for mac Jones and just what

2031
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:58,559
Speaker 1: the Patriots to just generally do to build their offense,

2032
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 1: regardless of who their quarterback is, you know, And like

2033
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:03,880
Speaker 1: I feel saying that should be a part of the equation,

2034
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 1: like if you think that Patricia will be okay eventually, Like, yeah,

2035
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 1: there's there's some issues, but he's gonna be ok He's

2036
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 1: getting it. It's getting better. But Mac Jones doesn't get

2037
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:15,840
Speaker 1: along with him. I think I think that's got a

2038
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:17,640
Speaker 1: wigh in. Yeah, you know, I think you'll get it.

2039
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 1: But I can't afford to wait a round and the

2040
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:21,639
Speaker 1: quarterback doesn't like him, I gotta make a change, yeah,

2041
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 1: as opposed to just flat out well, the quarterback loves

2042
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 1: him and he's getting it, so why don't I just

2043
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 1: stick with it? Yeah? And I guess slightly along those lines.

2044
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 1: I just I mean we've talked about it before the

2045
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:36,599
Speaker 1: you know, Mac really likes Jacobe. I mean he said,

2046
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, I love playing with him and you know,

2047
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:40,840
Speaker 1: love to play with him for a long time. He's

2048
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 1: a free agent, you know, Matt kind of I don't

2049
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 1: want to say favorites, but I mean, certainly I think

2050
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 1: he's got a good relationship with Kendrick Bourne that the

2051
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 1: kind of seems to stand out. It seems like maybe

2052
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry too. I mean, I don't know, those are

2053
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:52,400
Speaker 1: all three of those guys are part of the Gang

2054
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 1: of five? Do you let Jacobe walk? Like? You know?

2055
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like it's one thing to say we

2056
01:42:57,240 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 1: got to go out and sign a really good wide

2057
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: receiver for Mac. Is that going to move the needle

2058
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 1: for Mac? As much as if you go get and

2059
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm want to compare Jerry Judy to Jacoby Myers maybe

2060
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 1: you know somebody else, but is it going to move

2061
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 1: the needle more for Mac Jones if you just bring

2062
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 1: back Jacoby Myers and that's like a move to like, Okay,

2063
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:15,280
Speaker 1: we brought this guy back. You know, this is you know,

2064
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 1: like a sign of good will kind of thing, Like

2065
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 1: are they going to start going to those links to

2066
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:21,679
Speaker 1: kind of please him and to get him back on board.

2067
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:25,120
Speaker 1: And what does that you know, what does that look like? Yeah?

2068
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 1: I'm back. Fair points are great because if you believe

2069
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:31,439
Speaker 1: in Mac, then you have to start doing what's best

2070
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 1: for Mac right, believe in them right. And if Mac

2071
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 1: doesn't want Patricia to stay as offensive coordinator, I think

2072
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 1: that has to be part of the decision process. Yeah. Yeah,

2073
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 1: I had another one back to the phones. Here we

2074
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 1: got Scott in Wellesley. Hey Scott, what's going on? Hey guys?

2075
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:50,759
Speaker 1: That are you good? You know? I had three quick points.

2076
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 1: Number one I had a question for Fred and then

2077
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 1: a question form for Paul. But you know, I was

2078
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 1: I think Tony Easton would be the best quarterback for

2079
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,559
Speaker 1: this for this offense, just because he was great at

2080
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 1: throwing for six yards when you needed eight, and we

2081
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 1: throw so many balls in front of the first down line.

2082
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 1: It's really frustrating to watch um. But my question for

2083
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:12,760
Speaker 1: Fred is who do you think will be end up

2084
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:17,040
Speaker 1: being a bigger bust? John Williams or Taykowon Thornton? And

2085
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:20,920
Speaker 1: then you know, I just I don't know if truly

2086
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 1: a question more than appreciation of the you know the

2087
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 1: fact that Bill was able to lock up Divine guideshow

2088
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 1: before the season. You know, we were en Vinegar, Fred

2089
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:42,800
Speaker 1: Bigger Bust John Williamson that wants to Williams. I think

2090
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:46,560
Speaker 1: Thornton's gonna be fine based on what I mean that

2091
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,639
Speaker 1: play lasted. I was praying up by that play last

2092
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 1: night on the goal line where this is a guy

2093
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 1: who's supposed to be quick and be able to move,

2094
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 1: and it was like he had no understanding where the

2095
01:44:56,479 --> 01:44:59,599
Speaker 1: first down marker was. He had nobody staying bounced even

2096
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 1: though he not a heavy guy. And I haven't seen

2097
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 1: him really do anything. I mean, I know he did

2098
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 1: a nice end a round against Cleveland, but he said

2099
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 1: he he isn't really flashed. And they don't use them

2100
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:11,519
Speaker 1: in this offense where you're only throwing the ball four

2101
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 1: or five yards. Why would you use a second round

2102
01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 1: pick on the guy who really is only useful if

2103
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 1: you get him out in space. Yeah, I think you

2104
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:21,320
Speaker 1: know you hate to say it, but let's see the

2105
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:24,040
Speaker 1: second year jump. Let's see what happens in his second year.

2106
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:26,840
Speaker 1: Like you said, they're really not using him a lot,

2107
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:29,439
Speaker 1: and part of that is because of you know he's

2108
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:34,840
Speaker 1: had some I call him alligator or lobster arms. He

2109
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:37,720
Speaker 1: had some of those early, you know, a drop or two.

2110
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 1: But I think he's got potential. I don't think he's

2111
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:44,120
Speaker 1: going to be a bus like Jowan Williams. I think

2112
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:48,040
Speaker 1: he'll be okay, Paul, you know, I think we were.

2113
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:50,679
Speaker 1: You know, I just thought it was amazing the comments

2114
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 1: belichicked me before the season, the Bout and Gut show

2115
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 1: and again, you know, I worry that we should extend

2116
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 1: him now because he's so valuable and so great that,

2117
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, you want to make sure he and his

2118
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:02,920
Speaker 1: career as a patriot. But all getting aside. I mean,

2119
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:05,880
Speaker 1: it makes you wonder what it is about this guy

2120
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,599
Speaker 1: that made him decide to I mean, you I don't

2121
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 1: even know he was mentioned on the telecast last night. Yeah,

2122
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:15,280
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think. I just don't think that

2123
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 1: those kinds of players are as valuable as Bill does.

2124
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 1: I think, well, it also doesn't really matter that he

2125
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:24,640
Speaker 1: gave Godshaw that money. It depends are you're gonna you're

2126
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:26,760
Speaker 1: gonna are you gonna win in six months? Are you're

2127
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 1: gonna complain about cap space? Um? I don't like I personally,

2128
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:34,559
Speaker 1: I personally don't care because I think you can always

2129
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 1: find cap space. But that's a very common excuse in

2130
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 1: the NFL. No, I know, so I don't like wasting

2131
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 1: cap space on run stuffing defensive tackles who are who

2132
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 1: are really okay at it? Yeah, well, no, that's what

2133
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 1: Bill thinks. What is about the fact that when they're

2134
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:56,040
Speaker 1: looking for a spark they bring in Marcus Jones and

2135
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 1: throw the ball out to him. Yeah, that's a point

2136
01:46:58,400 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 1: that Mike has brought up, But you do not really

2137
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 1: directing any of your comments to Mike. Well, Mike's doing

2138
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:06,920
Speaker 1: a terrific job, you know, So I question for Mike, actually,

2139
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 1: now that you mentioned it, one quick question for you, Mike,

2140
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 1: let's go Mike. So, you know, you look at mac

2141
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 1: Jones and how he ingry is, you know, and it's like,

2142
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:17,600
Speaker 1: I think he's upside. I like him a little bit

2143
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:19,680
Speaker 1: better than Paul. I don't think he's a don't I

2144
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:22,559
Speaker 1: think he can be a good quarterback, but I guess,

2145
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:24,640
Speaker 1: but you look at it, he could be a Kirk Cousins, right,

2146
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:28,760
Speaker 1: But Kirk Cousins has justin Jefferson Adam stealing. Do you

2147
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:31,639
Speaker 1: do you buy this? I don't think these wide receivers

2148
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:33,280
Speaker 1: are as bad as they have been, like you know,

2149
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:36,120
Speaker 1: back in the Kimberal Tompkins are and so forth. But

2150
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:39,160
Speaker 1: do you think a guy like Mac Jones. Are they

2151
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:41,639
Speaker 1: doing this because these guys can't get open down the field.

2152
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:44,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're better than what they're playing

2153
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, and I don't think that they're

2154
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 1: necessarily you know, a top top ten offense, but I

2155
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 1: think that they have the pieces to be better than

2156
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:53,639
Speaker 1: what they've done. And I mean that's why I would,

2157
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, point toward coaching. Um, you know, I just

2158
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 1: I think you need to build with weapons. You need

2159
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:02,559
Speaker 1: to This is what the NFL is now, even if

2160
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:05,400
Speaker 1: it's Mac Jones or Bailey Zappy or Tony Easton or

2161
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:07,680
Speaker 1: whoever you got in there at quarterback. It's just it

2162
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:10,200
Speaker 1: seems to me like it's just good practice now to

2163
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:13,240
Speaker 1: invest a Day two pick at least every single draft

2164
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:17,080
Speaker 1: on a potential explosive, game changing type player, whether it's

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01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 1: a tight end, whether it's wide receiver, whether it's a

2166
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:23,760
Speaker 1: running back. Always making sure that right. So, why do

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01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:25,720
Speaker 1: you think he's been such a you know, a non

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01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 1: factor since he's a guy here, Oh, that's that's that's

2169
01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:31,479
Speaker 1: one of life's great mysteries. It's a miss. He's he's

2170
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 1: what he was in Tennessee. It's a miss evaluation. Yeah,

2171
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:37,320
Speaker 1: thanks Scott, And that ends the Scott and Wellesley Show.

2172
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:40,679
Speaker 1: You know, tune in again tomorrow. No, he came ready.

2173
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm running out of steam pall after in the last

2174
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:46,760
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. I needed a little help there. Yeah,

2175
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,799
Speaker 1: But why, like why did they give him four years?

2176
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 1: Four years? Like that tells me we see something in

2177
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:55,439
Speaker 1: this guy. He fits us and I want him to

2178
01:48:55,439 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 1: be part of everything. And I do think he has

2179
01:48:57,240 --> 01:48:59,600
Speaker 1: sort of that athletic profile to be more. But I

2180
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:02,600
Speaker 1: just think he's one of those guys that doesn't have

2181
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:06,120
Speaker 1: the football trades. Like I don't think it ever looks smooth. No,

2182
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:07,639
Speaker 1: And that's what I was gonna say, Like he said,

2183
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 1: for as good an athlete as he is, weird, choppy

2184
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 1: strides and it's like he kind of lunges at the

2185
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 1: ball and he's not like big powerful, he's not really

2186
01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:20,360
Speaker 1: quick savvy. He's just I mean, he's got good size,

2187
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:23,720
Speaker 1: but I can't. I just can't. Majority of plays that

2188
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 1: he's made for the Patriots have been plays that are

2189
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:29,560
Speaker 1: designed just to get him the ball. Yep, like a

2190
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 1: quick screen, go quick, little cross underneath, yeah, sideline. You know,

2191
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what the deal is,

2192
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:40,679
Speaker 1: but I mean, like he could never picture him going

2193
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:44,479
Speaker 1: down the scene like Hunter Henry did. Exactly. No, yeah, exactly.

2194
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't twisted up in the air. I could picture

2195
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:49,560
Speaker 1: him twisting around the ball, bouncing off his hand and

2196
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:52,439
Speaker 1: getting picked off by a deep safety. Did this not

2197
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:56,120
Speaker 1: show up? I don't know. Now he hasn't Like I

2198
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:58,599
Speaker 1: think he was like a forty catch guy with Tennessee

2199
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:01,280
Speaker 1: and he's not going to catch forty ball this year. Um,

2200
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:04,640
Speaker 1: but he kind of is what he is, like, I

2201
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:07,160
Speaker 1: don't think I think people had visions of him being

2202
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 1: like this seventy catch guy with you know, I just

2203
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:16,040
Speaker 1: take the forty with touchdowns after touchdowns, and you know

2204
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 1: what does he have twenty two? Yeah, twenty two catches

2205
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 1: he has, So he's gonna end up falling like for

2206
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:30,120
Speaker 1: the second year in a row. Yep. I don't know.

2207
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:32,599
Speaker 1: I think it. I just think they were so desperate

2208
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 1: for tight ends that just grab the two best ones

2209
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,439
Speaker 1: that are available in this particular year and try to

2210
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 1: balance him out. As best you can. But yeah, that's

2211
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:45,760
Speaker 1: ah I should say too. I know, yes I said

2212
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:48,000
Speaker 1: earlier about the free agents that chewed on was but

2213
01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think Godshaw has been terrible. I

2214
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:52,719
Speaker 1: mean I think that he's been something that they've needed

2215
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 1: and he's been able to play. You know, he's been

2216
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:58,000
Speaker 1: reliable as far as that, and um, you know, and

2217
01:50:58,160 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry. I think two has been I know, not

2218
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:05,519
Speaker 1: the one a tight end that that, but I think

2219
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:09,360
Speaker 1: he's been I mean he's real solo start, real solo start. Um,

2220
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:11,639
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's at least given them production

2221
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 1: and you know, some degree of reliability. But I still

2222
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:18,600
Speaker 1: I still look at the tight end position as ideally upgradeable,

2223
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:20,720
Speaker 1: ideally you know, to get a guy at least just

2224
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:23,800
Speaker 1: get one guy who can do it all. Um, I

2225
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 1: know those guys don't grow on trees. And it's not

2226
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:28,160
Speaker 1: like anybody, I mean, like here we are, it's it's

2227
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:30,760
Speaker 1: we're heading into the fourteenth game of the season and

2228
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 1: Mac Jones has seven touchdown passes, Like he barely has

2229
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 1: more than Bailey Zappy. He doesn't throw into the end.

2230
01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 1: That's crazy, Like I said, we are not witnessing an

2231
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:46,720
Speaker 1: NFL offense at this point. Yep, we're not. It was

2232
01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:49,479
Speaker 1: striking the last caller that just said, you know, they

2233
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:51,920
Speaker 1: don't throw it inside the red zone. Like it's like,

2234
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:54,720
Speaker 1: I mean, they got in with with Harris, but you

2235
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 1: just don't see them putting any trust in Mac being

2236
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,160
Speaker 1: him to thread the needle down close. And I agreed

2237
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,760
Speaker 1: with his comment about that catch that Thornton made, like

2238
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 1: there's another guy who's supposed to be like a really

2239
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:09,559
Speaker 1: really special kind of athlete ending Now, look, I actually

2240
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:11,719
Speaker 1: want to see a slowdown version of the catch again

2241
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 1: because I'm not sure he was in bounds, like when

2242
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:18,200
Speaker 1: he turned around he got called out of bounds when

2243
01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 1: when his foot came down out of bounds, I'm not

2244
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:23,080
Speaker 1: sure he had that foot inbounds when he made contact

2245
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:26,720
Speaker 1: with the ball. Like, and it didn't matter because they

2246
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:28,280
Speaker 1: kicked the field goal in the next play anyway, and

2247
01:52:28,280 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 1: they would have done that have they called it incomplete.

2248
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 1: But I just think, like Scott said, that's a play

2249
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:35,719
Speaker 1: that he should have been able to contort his body

2250
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:38,639
Speaker 1: and athletically get up Phil, I think Mac was upset

2251
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:40,920
Speaker 1: about it, don't you think sure? What was it? Third

2252
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:42,400
Speaker 1: and nine? He got eight is that and he was

2253
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:44,600
Speaker 1: wide open like he should have had a chance to

2254
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:46,160
Speaker 1: get up the sideline and get the first out of

2255
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:50,960
Speaker 1: the way, if not the touchdown. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be.

2256
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on a big body. Watch next training

2257
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:55,720
Speaker 1: camp for Thornton to see if he puts any meat

2258
01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:59,160
Speaker 1: range and Strange, if those guys are able to bulk

2259
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 1: up and look like they got on the what is it?

2260
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 1: What do they call it? Get him on the program?

2261
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 1: Program the program? Well, now the program is the football

2262
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 1: dring logan and have him be a personal trainer for

2263
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:14,240
Speaker 1: personal coach for Cold Strange. It might have to send

2264
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:16,720
Speaker 1: Cold Strange down to the farm. Yeah, it would be

2265
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:20,799
Speaker 1: like kind of a old fashioned farm strength. Yes, Cogan,

2266
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:23,600
Speaker 1: be like, go shovel that pilot manure. I'll tell you

2267
01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:26,519
Speaker 1: when you shovel that pile of manure, I think cold

2268
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:28,559
Speaker 1: Strangers are do it in a second. Oh, that's where

2269
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm asking you buy me five guys afterwards, Thank you, sir.

2270
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:37,080
Speaker 1: H quick question here on the emails from Joe been

2271
01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:40,040
Speaker 1: wondering does a coach's salary affect the cat? Uh? No?

2272
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:42,400
Speaker 1: So was it cheaper for build that Mattie P coach

2273
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:44,800
Speaker 1: offense than to pay someone this year. I think that's

2274
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 1: uh No, it doesn't affect the cat, but it affects

2275
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 1: the owner's budget. So he's probably still getting paid by Detroit, right,

2276
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 1: and yes, and it may affect I mean, we've had

2277
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:58,599
Speaker 1: differing reports on this. It may affect Belichick's budget. Yeah,

2278
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:01,519
Speaker 1: I don't know truth on that one. We don't know

2279
01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:05,439
Speaker 1: the truth on that. Nope, he continues. Do you find

2280
01:54:05,479 --> 01:54:07,760
Speaker 1: it interesting that the tight end situation this year league

2281
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:10,160
Speaker 1: wide has been questionable? There's only a strong top five,

2282
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:11,920
Speaker 1: when in other years it felt like there's an emphasis

2283
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:13,640
Speaker 1: on that position a lot more great TV I was,

2284
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 1: I was wondering about that a little bit. I don't know.

2285
01:54:15,439 --> 01:54:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't see that at all. I think virtually every

2286
01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 1: week I watched, you know, and it's guys that are capable.

2287
01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about like numbers, you know, like

2288
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:26,360
Speaker 1: Darren Waller has been hurt all you he doesn't have numbers,

2289
01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:28,799
Speaker 1: but he's a good tight end, you know. Mike Asiki

2290
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 1: hasn't really had a tremendous amount of activity, Dawson Knox,

2291
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, but like you got Kelsey Kittle, Mark Andrews,

2292
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:41,480
Speaker 1: like they're good tight ends in the league. Still, don't

2293
01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:44,600
Speaker 1: you think? Yeah, real quick before we wrap up. I

2294
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:47,760
Speaker 1: thought it was a fun play this week where Buffalo

2295
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:53,080
Speaker 1: fad faked like the motion under center, like they were

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01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:54,920
Speaker 1: going to go quick with Dawson Knox, and then they

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01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:57,560
Speaker 1: got c. J. Mosley, J Mosley, which was like, you know,

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01:54:57,680 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 1: the guy who like is anticipating everybody's play book just

2299
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 1: been flying a play. It seemed completely like they one

2300
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:07,000
Speaker 1: hundred percent we're targeting him with that exact play of

2301
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, the guy motions in, gets under center and

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01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:11,760
Speaker 1: goes quick and he just didn't even hesitate and jumped out.

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01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 1: That was a big play. It was nothing. Nothing. At

2304
01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 1: the end of the half, they might have had a

2305
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:16,880
Speaker 1: punt there had they not drawn him offside, and then

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01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:18,920
Speaker 1: they went down and got a touchdown. Yeah, a lot

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01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:20,520
Speaker 1: of a lot of that. C J. Mosley, man, he's

2308
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:23,000
Speaker 1: all over the place. They like that. I like that

2309
01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 1: against the Bills. Uh Rich in New York City thrown

2310
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:29,760
Speaker 1: out Cliff Kingsbury as those about that little bit. Yeah,

2311
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:32,080
Speaker 1: but like I did not realize this. I know a

2312
01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:34,160
Speaker 1: lot of people have sort of been throwing that name around.

2313
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 1: He just signed an extension. He's under contract till twenty seven. Wow, Like,

2314
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:40,760
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna pull the plug on Kingsbury.

2315
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:44,440
Speaker 1: And then they got they got Kyler and now he's hurt.

2316
01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:46,440
Speaker 1: So I mean, if they're gonna blow something up, they

2317
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:48,560
Speaker 1: gonna blow it all up with all those contracts. Like

2318
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:51,240
Speaker 1: and that's you know, we talked about Mike Brown earlier. Well,

2319
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:56,080
Speaker 1: Mike Bidwell in Arizona is similar. He's pretty tight. Like

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01:55:56,200 --> 01:55:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't see him swallowing that kind of money. Yeah,

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01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:01,320
Speaker 1: oh no, I mean, well you mentioned like, you know,

2322
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:04,880
Speaker 1: all the owners in the NFL have money, but they

2323
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:06,840
Speaker 1: don't all have to have the same They're not all

2324
01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:11,840
Speaker 1: all have the same liquidity, right, That's that's a Raiders

2325
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:15,280
Speaker 1: thing too, right, Yeah, yeah, part of the reason why

2326
01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:19,600
Speaker 1: why Josh is safe. Uh. Winding through some of these

2327
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:23,400
Speaker 1: last emails, zach and Brighton writes in he likes Michael Pittman.

2328
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:26,040
Speaker 1: I like Michael Pittman coming out. Don't down on the cults.

2329
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:30,000
Speaker 1: He's uh, he's been pretty good. Um. How much high

2330
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:31,920
Speaker 1: do you think his trade value is compared to Judy

2331
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:35,240
Speaker 1: and Higgins? So slightly less he would be less than

2332
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:38,640
Speaker 1: certain well maybe not Judy, but certainly less than Higgins.

2333
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:41,000
Speaker 1: Higgins will be looking looking to get paid. I just

2334
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:43,880
Speaker 1: I see the Bengals as being like, we can only

2335
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 1: do Joe Burrow and maybe Chase Yeah, and that's all

2336
01:56:47,160 --> 01:56:49,200
Speaker 1: you get. And you also have to target guys that

2337
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 1: you think might be looking to get out, like I'm

2338
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:55,400
Speaker 1: not sure Pittman fault, like Judy's clearly been frustrated. I

2339
01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 1: can't believe he didn't get in trouble for that tirade

2340
01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:01,680
Speaker 1: that he had yanked his helmet off and made contact

2341
01:57:01,720 --> 01:57:05,240
Speaker 1: with the ref, not even a penalty, let alone getting

2342
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:06,480
Speaker 1: thrown out of the game, and then he scored three

2343
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:11,000
Speaker 1: touchdowns after that. But Judy, to me, is disgrunt old.

2344
01:57:11,120 --> 01:57:13,200
Speaker 1: I think Higgins could want his money and realize he

2345
01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:16,320
Speaker 1: ain't gonna get it it, might want out earlier now.

2346
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:18,720
Speaker 1: I could also see Higgins saying, no, we had a

2347
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:21,160
Speaker 1: really good team here. I'm gonna ride this out. I'll

2348
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:23,760
Speaker 1: max my value. I'll be on an unrestricted free agent

2349
01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 1: and I'll get it because I'm going to be part

2350
01:57:26,840 --> 01:57:28,720
Speaker 1: of a really good team here, and Joe Burrow knows

2351
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:31,160
Speaker 1: how to keep us all involved. I know, Mac, I

2352
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:34,120
Speaker 1: mean didn't really play officially much with Judy but I

2353
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:36,760
Speaker 1: just like again feels like but Alabama stuff like give

2354
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:39,360
Speaker 1: Mac his guys, you know, try to Like I just

2355
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:41,240
Speaker 1: I just wonder if you're gonna read between the lines

2356
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 1: and see motivation of moves that maybe this doesn't make

2357
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:46,240
Speaker 1: total sense, but when you look at it through the

2358
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,160
Speaker 1: lens of Mac Jones, this is gonna make him happy,

2359
01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:51,200
Speaker 1: This is gonna get him back on board with us.

2360
01:57:53,240 --> 01:57:55,960
Speaker 1: All right, we're winding things down. Fred any lasts any

2361
01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:59,080
Speaker 1: final thoughts there before we wrap up this this beast

2362
01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 1: of a show. I would just you know, we started

2363
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:05,960
Speaker 1: the show by talking about how the broadcast was, you know,

2364
01:58:06,120 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 1: so in the Mac camp and he has a right

2365
01:58:08,360 --> 01:58:14,320
Speaker 1: to be frustrated, and they were so so on that

2366
01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:18,600
Speaker 1: narrative that you wonder like there must not have been

2367
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 1: anything in their production meeting and anything that they talked

2368
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:29,000
Speaker 1: to before the game that was contrary to that, so something,

2369
01:58:29,680 --> 01:58:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, they don't just say that stuff. So it

2370
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:39,480
Speaker 1: tells me that everything that they heard pregame gave them

2371
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:43,440
Speaker 1: that opinion, And you just wonder what's going on. What

2372
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:46,760
Speaker 1: is going on? The coach is pretty open in those

2373
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:49,080
Speaker 1: little those little chin wags, but if they can be

2374
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:51,400
Speaker 1: but I think Belichick has been burned a little bit

2375
01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 1: the last few times. Yonder if maybe he was a

2376
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:56,480
Speaker 1: little bit more tight lipped than he normally is. Yeah,

2377
01:58:57,200 --> 01:58:59,520
Speaker 1: but even if he was tight lipped, then then why

2378
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:03,800
Speaker 1: would you be so sure that Mac has a right

2379
01:59:03,880 --> 01:59:06,240
Speaker 1: to be frustrated? You know? Yep, it's a good point

2380
01:59:06,520 --> 01:59:09,400
Speaker 1: that I would address. If you want to hang on

2381
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:11,280
Speaker 1: the line, I'll talk a little bit off the air

2382
01:59:11,320 --> 01:59:14,240
Speaker 1: and give you a theory or two, okay, or save

2383
01:59:14,280 --> 01:59:18,520
Speaker 1: it for tomorrow. No, it's got to happen now. It

2384
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:21,280
Speaker 1: won't be a theory I'm sharing on air. Well, just

2385
01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 1: so you guys know, and everyone out there knows, FedEx

2386
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:26,280
Speaker 1: we're ready for the holidays. They are ready, Fred you

2387
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:28,680
Speaker 1: know it, I know it. We all know. Whatever you

2388
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:30,760
Speaker 1: gotta do. You gotta get a package there, FedEx, they're

2389
01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:33,400
Speaker 1: ready for it, send it their way, all right. Well,

2390
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:36,160
Speaker 1: that'll do it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll

2391
01:59:36,200 --> 01:59:39,080
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. We got some of the gang out west,

2392
01:59:39,120 --> 01:59:40,680
Speaker 1: so maybe we'll get a check in from from some

2393
01:59:40,760 --> 01:59:43,880
Speaker 1: of the Arizona crew as they start to I guess

2394
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:46,120
Speaker 1: we'll see what the practice schedule like and availability and

2395
01:59:46,120 --> 01:59:48,040
Speaker 1: all those things. The coaches did talk today, so they'll

2396
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:50,800
Speaker 1: be certainly some things coming out of that. So until then,

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01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:54,520
Speaker 1: we will see you tomorrow. Thank you for downloading this podcast,

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