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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does seem like we're they're like, you know

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Speaker 4: So? I just dropped the kids off for cinema roll Wednesday,

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Speaker 4: A note of explanation, bro, I did, like, look, their

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Speaker 4: not plan for two months where we were gonna be live.

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Speaker 4: It was like it wasn't what we knew was gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: So I apologize. I feel like I I told y'all

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Speaker 4: before we hopped on. I feel like I opened the

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Speaker 4: damn up because I don't think one of us have

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Speaker 4: missed a show in like two years, and then I

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Speaker 4: had to miss one because we were traveling it. It's

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Speaker 4: like been two weeks since we've all been.

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Speaker 3: On the pond together.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, very happy to see y'all, as always asked

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Speaker 4: Dragonfly Jones aka tyler Le Jethrow Jenkins aka John, I'm

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Speaker 3: Mike Mother.

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Speaker 4: Mother special episode. We're produces always by the lovely and

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Speaker 4: talented Jackson Stephon. Why shout out to Josh and Danny

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Speaker 4: who are actually producing everything at this point, all right,

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Speaker 4: let's talk about without let's it's just like so funny.

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Speaker 4: It's like producer is the name of your character on the.

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Speaker 3: Show, Josh and a real producer?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Correct, Uh, let's talk about that Wolves MAVs game last

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Speaker 4: night that I feel like that was the game we've

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Speaker 4: kind of been expecting to see and it finally happened. Uh,

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Speaker 4: you tell every first year sports writer and they're like,

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Speaker 4: doesn't matter if they won, it doesn't matter if they lost.

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Speaker 4: What was the difference? So, gentlemen, last night the Wolves

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Speaker 1: It was cat? That was the cat game. Bro Like

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Speaker 1: and shouts to that man. You know, we've he's been

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Speaker 1: he balled out last night. We saw him, you know,

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Speaker 1: like I've defended Rudy and Cat as late. I don't

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Speaker 3: Him, and You're I'm getting old man. I mean, Kat

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Speaker 2: Huge moments in the last series, we forget so quickly,

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Speaker 2: why it was so shocking how or he was playing

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Speaker 2: But yeah, like like Tyler said, it was Cat, it

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Speaker 2: I mean, Like it had looked like himself. I mean,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was the big difference was Cat. Like

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Speaker 2: the Stars play like stars last night, and we really

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Speaker 2: think that I think that the Wolves are a better team,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So if the Stars showed up,

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Speaker 3: They have better backup players. So I feel like if

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Speaker 2: In and they do what they're supposed to do, I

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Speaker 3: So hey, man, it's a series.

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Speaker 2: They would no, no, they if they win, if they

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Speaker 3: G you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's if this does go seven,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's two games at Minnesota. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: how much does home court really mean? Because you know

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Speaker 1: Dallas won there twice, right, But I wouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 1: Minnesota gets another one. I did not see them win

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Speaker 2: And the pressure's on Dallas at that point, not on

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Speaker 1: I don't think pressure mean shp to Luke and Kyrie

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Speaker 2: I said, but if I think if Katy step up,

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Speaker 2: the pressure will mean sit to the backup.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you. I think John, you hit it

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Speaker 4: missed a couple episodes because I would have been for

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Speaker 4: sure all over like freezing cold takes or whatever the fuck,

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Speaker 4: But like I was for sure at three to oh, like,

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Speaker 4: I don't get it because I think that like the

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Speaker 4: ceiling for the Wolves star players is higher. I think

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Speaker 4: the Wolves role players are better. I think, like you

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Speaker 4: kept feeling like, I know it's three to oh, but

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Speaker 4: I still feel like this team is the better team.

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Speaker 4: I just feel that way, you know. And I don't

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Speaker 4: we had our lunatic pro Mavericks fan on. That was great,

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Speaker 4: but he acknowledged some of the stuff they were getting.

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Speaker 4: they don't need it consistently. They only need to win

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Speaker 4: It's just you know, what you guys said, I really

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Speaker 4: like what Tyler said about Cat. But the truth is this,

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Speaker 4: like this just is the Cat experience. Last night he

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Speaker 1: Like very dumb fouls, Luca, like one step over half

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Speaker 1: court in the second avagere Like what are you doing?

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Speaker 4: Bro? I just think the when we compare everyone to

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Speaker 4: truly a global game, we get a Jokic and a

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Speaker 4: look at the greats in basketball history, almost no one

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Speaker 4: like Kat is a flawed player with a really high ceiling,

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Speaker 4: flaws happen to be very goofy looking like that just is.

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Speaker 4: I really think there's somewhat similar in many regards, and

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Speaker 4: Cat's unbelievable, but he's not gonna come give you forty

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Speaker 4: and twenty and with two fouls that's like like six

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Speaker 4: six games arow'. That's not who he is, and that's

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Speaker 4: not who almost anyone ever in history is. I don't

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Speaker 4: think it's a fair stace. And to hold him too.

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Speaker 4: This team is trying to figure it out in their

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Speaker 4: first shot, and that doesn't happen. Look at the MAVs

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't think they're gonna win either, but

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Speaker 3: But it's all a chess game, Bro, you said it.

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Speaker 2: Kat might have heard the people talking about he was

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Speaker 2: I think Lively not being there, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: But if Kat does that consistent, I think he's good

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Speaker 3: Just gets started like that, then the three started falling.

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Speaker 2: That's just that's, you know, run of the mill hoops nigga,

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Speaker 4: He did still get his ship thrown twice in, Bro,

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Speaker 4: I don't know why you try to dunk on niggas.

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Speaker 1: It's never worked out, And as like one of those

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Speaker 3: He's like, like, nigga, do you know who you are?

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Speaker 2: You were a size seventy eight Nigga, you cannot jump

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Speaker 2: ashidh as you think you can't bro that big long

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Speaker 2: It's crazy, it's crazy seeing.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, Celtics are in the NBA finals. They are.

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Speaker 7: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: That's news to me. How you feeling, Dexit, how you

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Speaker 6: Bro? I feel great. Not a lot of teams make

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Speaker 7: That they got in front of them. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: I feel like I really.

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Speaker 4: Hate that you got to play the teams in front

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Speaker 8: It's one hund And it's also like, you know, I

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Speaker 4: Has missed games? Has that happened.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't feel like it. It doesn't feel like it's happened.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, man, I don't know what to say.

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Speaker 6: It's one of those things where like, as we've said

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Speaker 7: If they, like, if they win the finals in five games.

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Speaker 6: Just for hypothetical sake, we're like, oh, wait a second,

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Speaker 6: They just don't have it, Like they're never gonna have it.

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Speaker 6: Those Jays can't do it, YadA YadA, YadA, YadA YadA

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Speaker 6: I'll be like, yeah, maybe I don't know what to

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Speaker 6: of the all of the narratives right or wrong, true,

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Speaker 7: For the Boston Celtics, it was everyone was right.

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Speaker 3: Do you believe in them? You think they?

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Speaker 7: Do?

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Speaker 3: You think they win this championship?

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Speaker 7: Do I think they in this championship? That's a great question.

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Speaker 3: I think possibly have been.

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Speaker 4: So unprepared for him to ask you that question. Your

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Speaker 2: Here you be in that group chat talking all bro,

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Speaker 2: if you don't do anything else, you watched the motherfucking game.

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Speaker 3: Bro, you know what time it is with them boys?

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Speaker 6: I do, and I think they it's I mean, it's

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Speaker 6: it's not pretty being down double digits, being down at

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Speaker 6: also it's also impressive that I made a joke about

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Speaker 3: It's not like that's a bad feeling.

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Speaker 7: But do I think they would the NBA I manageerman ship?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do. How about that? How about that?

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Speaker 7: For how about that hot take for it? I think

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay, so hold on it. Okay, So I've

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Speaker 6: Confidence in Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum's left handed dribbling ability,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean I think Celtics fans should feel confident.

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Speaker 4: They're giving you enough stuff to criticize while getting to

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Speaker 4: the NBA Finals with two losses, which is an insane

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Speaker 4: guys also had. It's not He's not Tyree Haliburton or

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Speaker 4: my other question. If both teams are playing well, So

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Speaker 4: Who are you more scared of clicking on all cylinders?

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Speaker 4: The Wolves are the Maps?

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Speaker 3: Probably?

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Speaker 7: Probably I'm more scared of the Wolves.

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Speaker 6: If both teams are clicking on all cylinders, I feel

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Speaker 7: Either shooting poorly or turning the ball over.

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Speaker 6: Too many times, right, And I mean sometimes they lose

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Speaker 7: And I feel like the Wolves have the best chance

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Speaker 3: I also feel like.

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Speaker 6: The Celtics are as well equipped as any team can

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Speaker 6: which Drew Holliday is considered by every NBA player the

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Speaker 6: And then you have while they're not prime quot they're

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Speaker 6: I do feel like even though their offense is the

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Speaker 4: Are you gonna have a hard time allying yourself? If

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Speaker 4: the MAVs do win with UH with the fuck Kyrie

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Speaker 4: crowd that you're gonna be rooting for the Celtics. Swift buddy.

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Speaker 6: I think maybe the the y'all press me over Nick

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Speaker 4: All Right, you're gonna you're gonna get some Oh it's

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Speaker 6: Maybe the high level message, but not some of the

437
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 6: specific verbiage used by Boston fans I would not align

438
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 6: myself with. Like I said it the other day, we

439
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 6: all said it, that he feels much more mature to

440
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,119
Speaker 6: like use a boring sports media word, like, he feels

441
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 6: like he's handling everything so well and has handled everything

442
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 6: so well since he's gotten to Dallas. It's hard for

443
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 6: me to have as much animosity towards the guys I

444
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 6: did a couple of seasons ago, so.

445
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 4: It's not that hard for some of your brethren.

446
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 6: That's why I'm saying maybe the maybe the high level,

447
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 6: maybe the Kyrie just sort of like as a colloquial

448
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 6: sports fan, but not with not with the chest sort

449
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 6: of like confidence and some of the more specific not

450
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 6: with the hard rye, not with your words with he's

451
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 6: on the opposing team.

452
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean.

453
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, just in a normal sports not in a way

454
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 6: that is going to anger populations of the country.

455
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: With Baby y'all got the band Big Baby Davis from

456
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: that arena Dallas. That motherfucker was ready to kill Kyrie

457
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: over lucky Bro. And that man just got four years

458
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 1: put on his head. Like, let's say do with nothing

459
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 1: to lose, Bro, You got to keep that man out around. Yeah,

460
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: yet he got sentence. He he hasn't done it yet though. Okay,

461
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: that's crazy, that's wow.

462
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 2: You get waiting, you know what I'm saying, waiting before

463
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 2: the day to go sit down?

464
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 3: You feel me? That's crazy.

465
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 4: I had anyway, unfortunate new since last time we recorded,

466
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 4: Bill Walton passed away. You know. I we obviously we're

467
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 4: kind of too young to really see the prime of

468
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 4: him playing, but as a West Coast basketball fan certainly

469
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 4: got to see him.

470
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 3: You know.

471
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 4: Tyler talked about the value of inside the NBA being

472
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 4: the people you want to hang out with at one

473
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning, pack twelve basketball games. Shit, I

474
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 4: could feel like one o'clock in the morning on the

475
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 4: West Coast. And Bill Walton, just for his entire broadcasting

476
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 4: career was always one of those people who I appreciate

477
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 4: weirdos in sports, like I just it's I really think

478
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 4: they're what keep things interesting, what makes it so it's

479
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 4: not just you know, over and over and over again,

480
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 4: just like let's throw the same strategy. Like, I just

481
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 4: really appreciate people who are willing to lean into what's

482
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 4: unique and strange about them. So very sorry to hear

483
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 4: that he passed away recently.

484
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think from a basketball perspective, you know, I'll

485
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: talk this then I'll touch on what he means to

486
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 1: be personally, Like I think we need to kind of

487
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 1: just put way more respect on him as a basketball

488
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: player then than he's gone. Like, this is a dude

489
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: who was tied for Luel Senders the greatest college basketball

490
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: player of all time eighty eight game winn streak at UCLA,

491
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: won two national titles back to back, two National Players

492
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: of the Year back to back. He had a run

493
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: where he went from his junior year of high school

494
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: unto his senior year of college where he didn't lose

495
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: one game. He lost one game, like in the middle

496
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: of his senior year of college. Bro, Like just a

497
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: phenomenal basketball player. And you know, we have these discussions

498
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 1: all the time. Like what player was robbed by injuries

499
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: the most in the NBA And for our generation it's

500
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 1: like Grand Hills or Penny or tam Mac.

501
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 3: But the all time answer is Bill Walton.

502
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: Bill Walton was on the way to like establishing himself

503
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: in that pantheon with like the Kareems and the Keynes

504
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: and the Shacks and the Bill Russells and the Wilts,

505
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: right before injuries robbed them of that. But even then,

506
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: like you know, he won a championship his first real

507
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: healthy year, like his third year in the league. Then

508
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: you know he wanted a championship as a six man

509
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: with with the Celtics.

510
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 3: But but on a personal level.

511
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: Just just a dude who just just brought so much joy,

512
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: you know, to to to the game, to with his commentary.

513
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: A dude who, like you enjoyed listening to him. He's

514
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: like one of the dudes who I would have like

515
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: actually approached if I saw him in public, and I

516
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: have a very short list. Yeah, it's like like Broad

517
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: is my goat, and I would not say shipped to

518
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: bron if I saw him in public. You know, security

519
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: with goddamn can hit me with the with the DJ

520
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: Jazzy Jeff for a fresh prince ship if I ran. Yeah,

521
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: But I've been in the trenches for you. I've been

522
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: arguing on Twitter for years the guy out of here

523
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: who Yeah. But there was a quote that circulated with

524
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: Bill Walton just discussing Nikola Yolks, and I feel like

525
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: it was the most perfect thing that just encapsulated everything

526
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: that was great about him.

527
00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna read that.

528
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: He's a beautiful player who plays a mental game. He

529
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: has what seems to have been lost in the world,

530
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: which is peripheral vision. When you walk down the street

531
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: in life, when you drive a car in life, when

532
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: you ride a bike in the world on a street,

533
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: it is staggering the lack of periphial vision. But Nikola

534
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: Jokic is the antidote to so many of our problems

535
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: in the world. When you see someone like a Nelson

536
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: Mandela or a Martin Luther King or a Mahatmagan Fat,

537
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: someone who sees the future before anyone else does, knows

538
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: how to get to where they need to be, where

539
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: they want to be. That is Nikola Jokic. Happiness begins

540
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: when selfishness ends in a game that has been taken

541
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: over by incessant dribbling for yourself. Nikola Jokic is such

542
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air and it's his imagination. Watching

543
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: him play basketball is like watching Bob Dylan come up

544
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: with the song. And I feel like that is just

545
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: the most perfect fucking example of what Bill Walton was

546
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: and who he was. Like I love that quote right there,

547
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: Like it's like he took something so outrage and so

548
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: off the wall, and he brought it all together in

549
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: all made perfect sense, like happiness begins where selfishness ends.

550
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: That's a bar, Bro, that's some shit to live your

551
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: life too, you know. So it's our repe to that, man, Bro.

552
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: I think the same way. The reason you'd approach him

553
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: and not bron because he was he was himself. He

554
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: was he was a human, you know what I'm saying.

555
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: He realized that there was a lot of things bigger

556
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: than basketball, you know what I mean. He seemed extremely approachable,

557
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, like you saw a person being themselves

558
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: that don't great that it has done great things you

559
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 2: know on television day in and day out, you know

560
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: what I mean. So that's what I like, That's what

561
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: I loved about him. Was Like when I was listening

562
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 2: to him, you know, talk basketball. I would get those

563
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: little gems about life as well, you know what I mean.

564
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: And he seemed like a guy I would want to

565
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: sit around and talk the sports game with, not these

566
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: other dudes that just you know, get really nerdy about it.

567
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, urp to him, ge you feel me?

568
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 4: He h. He was on I think the first interview

569
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 4: I heard with him, like long form interview, he was

570
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 4: on Pardon My Take, and I remember they said it

571
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 4: was like a two hours interview and at the end,

572
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 4: you know, they're like, he said something about like how

573
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 4: we've been going like two hours, Like how long is

574
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 4: the interview gonna go? And they were like, it's gonna

575
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 4: go until you tell us you don't want to talk

576
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 4: to us anymore, Like we're just gonna sit here with

577
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 4: you as long as you will allow us to see here.

578
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: With Also, he would pull a shit.

579
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: He would pull the conversation away from the game, you

580
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean, constantly. But dude, this topic that

581
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: he were talking about, I was more interested in, you

582
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: feel me, Like, yeah, I know we're supposed to be

583
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 2: here to solve this, but let's talk about this.

584
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: This is more important to me. In the moment.

585
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 2: I love that shit, bro, You feel me like he

586
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: made the broadcast his It wasn't just about the game.

587
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm gonna do me on here, and

588
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: I love that.

589
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 4: I also was not surprised to find out after his

590
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 4: passing that he was a bit merchant, but Dave Passus's

591
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 4: broadcast partner said, I don't know if you guys saw this.

592
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 4: Bill Walton would text him during games that Dave was

593
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: broadcasting that Bill wasn't and pretend that he didn't know

594
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 4: that Dave was on air at the time, so he

595
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 4: would text him, I hope you're watching this Knicks Cavs game, superb.

596
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 4: Check it out still time. Hopefully the announcer will reset

597
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 4: the scene for you enjoy BW. They said, are you

598
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 4: watching this masterpiece UCLA at UW on ESPN. I have

599
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 4: no idea who's calling the game, but the guy is

600
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 4: stealing your lines. Theft theft slash plagiarism is not right,

601
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 4: the inequity of it all. Dude, What a king.

602
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 6: That he straight up taught me life lessons, bro. I

603
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 6: remember when he was calling Pac twelve Network games when

604
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 6: I was in like middle school and high school and

605
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 6: he was champion, talking about conference and champion.

606
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 7: This is back when everyone.

607
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 6: Is really hating on the PAC twelve from a from

608
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 6: a basketball at the standpoint right, It's like, this conference

609
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 6: is trash conference, trash, YadA, YadA YadA, and Bill is

610
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 6: to like Stanford, you dub this is the game of

611
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 6: the millennia.

612
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 7: And I'm like and I'm like.

613
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 6: Dude, this guy is teaching me, a thirteen year old

614
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 6: that it is allowed to take pride in things that

615
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 6: other people think are dumb and think are bad. I'm like,

616
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 6: this is amazing. It's kind of stupid and silly, but

617
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 6: also like what.

618
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be, you know. Yeah, that was That

619
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: was something he constantly preached. Be present in the moment,

620
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: like you look at that, Nikola. That was the premise

621
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: of that be present, take it all in like that's

622
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: that was the parallel he drew between nikol Yoki's court

623
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: vision and how people should live their lives, like like,

624
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: don't have tunnel vision, look all around you, absorb all

625
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: this ship, you know what I mean? So yeah, man,

626
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: he for sure gave life lessons and I loved when

627
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: he went off the rails, like that was my favorite thing.

628
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: About him calling games.

629
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 4: Of course, Bro, I mean listen, if even if you're

630
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 4: a casual basketball fan, you've heard almost every point that

631
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 4: a fucking the color guy is gonna make in a

632
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 4: basketball game a thousand times, and so I like, I

633
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 4: genuinely people would make fun of him for it. Obviously,

634
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 4: it was like it was like a meme on Twitter.

635
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 4: But like I love when those guys go off on tangents.

636
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: The story that that guy has at about playing at

637
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 4: UCLA in the seventies is gonna contain more useful information

638
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 4: to me as a fan than him talking about like

639
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 4: what he just saw on the last play of a

640
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 4: game on a day where four thousand basketball plays happened,

641
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

642
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: I feel like the thing is like when we watch basketball,

643
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: we watched basketball. When he was watching basketball, he saw

644
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: light and he'd always speak to that when he was

645
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: talking about basketball, you know what I mean. So even

646
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: to like the regular ass fan, the way he spoke

647
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: about the game felt more relatable because you know, he

648
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: would talk about you know, he was talking about life,

649
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: not just the game itself. So yeah, man, and like

650
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: like you said, what, it's very.

651
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 6: Like like viewing it as just a prism to to

652
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 6: learn lessons about life, you.

653
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Speaker 2: Know, and seeing somebody be so we like, like be

654
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Speaker 2: so great but also be so weird. There's something beautiful

655
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: about that, you know what I'm saying. Like he did

656
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: all his great shit going taking his own path. There

657
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: was only one him on the planet, you know what

658
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: I mean, And there's all this you know, you have

659
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Speaker 2: to do this, you have to do no like he

660
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: was just himself and he got it done, you know

661
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: what I mean. And I think there's something beautiful about

662
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: seeing people being big and fucking weird and loving and

663
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: loving themselves in that process.

664
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, hell yeah, all right.

665
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 4: We got U two algorithmic screenshots here on Twitter dot com.

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00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

667
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: One is someone got a tweet right next to our

668
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 4: live show tweet that TYLERU has just signed a multi

669
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 4: year extension with the Clippers. I know none of us

670
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 4: had held out any hope for Tylo coaching the Lakers,

671
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 4: but I have to say, as we were looking it up,

672
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: it does just feel like Rich Paul and Clutch h

673
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 4: played it, played it masterfully that you know, he is

674
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 4: represented by Rich Paul. So it's like, oh, someone leaked

675
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 4: that Lebron would love to play for Tyloo with the Lakers,

676
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 4: and then Steve Balmer like a couple of days later,

677
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 4: was like, we're gonna sign him to an extension. We're

678
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 4: gonna sign him to an extension, And then they signed

679
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 4: him to a big, fantastic extension. Hey man, this is

680
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 4: why everyone loves the mafia, bro, Like, you just want

681
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 4: the Mafia to be on your side, you know what

682
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: I mean.

683
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: You know, I honestly think that that Tyler wasn't gonna

684
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: go anywhere regardless, because the reason the Lakers whipped on

685
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: Tyler was they were cheap, and Bomber is not a

686
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: cheap guy, right, Like, we knew that he was gonna

687
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: back to Brank struck up for it for Tyler, So

688
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised there at all.

689
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 4: I Mean, he's a big he's a he's a big

690
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 4: spotlights over street lights guy, you know what I mean.

691
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 4: Like he's building that fancy ass stadium. He's knocking down

692
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: half the fucking hood to build the you know, gentrific

693
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 4: gentrification capital of the world.

694
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: And I would now nasty, but like I feel like

695
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: we really saw how like the brilliant of of of

696
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: rich right there, like, you know what I'm saying, Like

697
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: I think we really I think when you said that

698
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: I was when.

699
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: You said that he was, I'm like, oh my god, like.

700
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: This you feel me, like what he's willing to do

701
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: to get motherfuckers paid, Like there was no chance we're

702
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: gonna get this dude. But he knew Steve Baumer would

703
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: throw that bag at him, you know what I mean,

704
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 2: just with the thought of him leaving. Man, that's crazy,

705
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: Like you said, that's a mafia shit.

706
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: For real, masterfully played, masterfully crazy.

707
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 4: Here's an other screenshot we got from the Royal Bob

708
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 4: who's this was he got served up our live thing

709
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Speaker 4: and then he got served up This following piece of

710
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 4: information or actually it's an opinion by Andrew Marshall that

711
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 4: could actually end this podcast.

712
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: Wait wait wait, wait wait, get it in the podcast.

713
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 4: What are you ready? I'd be surprised if Mike Tarico

714
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 4: wasn't NBC's number one on the NBA. He's the face

715
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 4: of the network. Was close to doing the finals for

716
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 4: ESPN at one point, and I'd imagine he would want it,

717
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: although I haven't asked him yet. That's tough to wrap

718
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 4: my head around there.

719
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: Fellas the face of the Italian face?

720
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Speaker 2: How do we not speak to this every time we

721
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 2: see him?

722
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: Like, I promise you this, if they put Mike Cherrico

723
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 4: on the playoffs next year, we will go out in

724
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 4: a blaze of glory. We go out.

725
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 5: That's gonna be the gift that keeps given out. Yo,

726
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 5: all right, I can't imagine that is will it happen?

727
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 5: NBC loves uh Mike Cerico.

728
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Speaker 4: I think that there is absolutely a chance that the

729
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 4: only question is with the overlap with football once, you know,

730
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 4: is it with the start of the season, like is

731
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 4: he off it during football season? I don't know.

732
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: I think that that.

733
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: All of that would have to get figured out. But

734
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 4: they love him. I mean they threw a bag at

735
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 4: him when all he was doing was kind of like yeah,

736
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 4: it was kind of like and then being the agent

737
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: and waiting or whatever for Sunday Night football. So yeah,

738
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 4: I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

739
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 7: I'd be very excited for that from a pop same point.

740
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 6: And I'm also just clenching every muscle in my body

741
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 6: trying to think about the three of you talking about

742
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 6: Mike Cherico on live streams for two months straight, you.

743
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: Know, the the two of them talking about the three

744
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 4: of you guysers in there. Brother, I can make Italian

745
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 4: jokes about like you did a great job.

746
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: You did a great job, bro. You know what I mean.

747
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start you when we.

748
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 2: Get going or Tyler goes on a burner, Bro, how

749
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: nervous do you get nervous?

750
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 6: I feel like I feel like I've seen a couple

751
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 6: of times, but like it depends, not comfortable, it depends.

752
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 6: I can't just give a blank, blanket statement about every

753
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 6: Tyler heater, you know, because the vast majority of those

754
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 6: are just simply he you know, yeah, yeah, are Steph

755
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 6: Curry in twenty sixteen. But then every once in a while,

756
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 6: I have to be like, wait, are we gonna go

757
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 6: somewhere that.

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00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 2: Whatever about me, you can be honest about you, honest

759
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: when I when I, when I go left, I love

760
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: it when both.

761
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 7: Of you guys go left, you know, I love it.

762
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: That's what the pot is.

763
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I would say, Tyler can go left for longer,

764
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 4: but you will turn left, Sharper, That's what I would say.

765
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: I mean, Letrico. Let it to Rico.

766
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a bit of a rhythm shooter, and

767
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: johnn is like a Michael Wave get the game.

768
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 7: He wants to hit tween tween tween step and then has.

769
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: He They aren't just flat sometimes, you know what I mean?

770
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 3: You know, I mean sometimes you look. I don't know,

771
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 3: there's points being made. You just come back into spaceship.

772
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: I don't know. You know what I'm saying.

773
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: Is he definitively not coming back into spaceship? That's the

774
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 4: question you should.

775
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 3: Be How do we know? How do we you know?

776
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 4: All right, We've got some really cool news. And I

777
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 4: don't know if we have talked all that much on

778
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 4: the pod. I know we've made references too, but that

779
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 4: John is related to one of the greatest baseball players

780
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 4: of all time directly and John, I don't know if

781
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: this is a surprise to you, but did you see

782
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 4: that officially, as of today, Major League Baseball is now

783
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 4: incorporating the official statistics of the Negro leagues into their

784
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 4: own history and statistics. Did you see that that happen?

785
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? I saw that.

786
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: I saw Josh Gipp's gonna be taken over a lot

787
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: of people's records too, you know what I'm saying.

788
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: But like I saw that I want. I didn't hear

789
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: anybody arguing for it.

790
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: Like normally, if something like that, somebody in my family

791
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: will hit me up, Hey they're doing this. This happened

792
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: with Uncle Jay, you feel me so and so on.

793
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: It's that I didn't hear shit, So I don't know

794
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: where it came from.

795
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 4: But there's a seventeen person committee. I did a lot

796
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 4: of reading on this last night because I'm fascinated by

797
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 4: this type of thing. There's like a seventeen person Rules

798
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 4: and Statistics Committee, and there are and that that group

799
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 4: has been pushing for a long time for Major League

800
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 4: Baseball to recognize the Negro league statistics. And the reason

801
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 4: for that was every player that went from the negro

802
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 4: leagues to major League Baseball did better at major league

803
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 4: did better at major League Baseball. So you can't really

804
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 4: make the argument that, like, it was a lower level

805
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 4: of competition, if there's any argument to be made there,

806
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 4: clearly it was a higher level of competition. And so

807
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: they've been pushing and pushing and pushing. I think it's

808
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 4: nice that like some of the people who are losing

809
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 4: their records are like ty Cop, are like people that

810
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 4: no one in baseball wants to represent sport of baseball.

811
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 3: They wanted it back then, though they wanted it back, So.

812
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 4: Now what they are doing, they're only including like they're

813
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: not including everything, so like there are some apocryphal games

814
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 4: where I forget who it might have been, Josh Gibson

815
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 4: allegedly had like a four or five home run game.

816
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 4: They don't have a full box score like independent accounting

817
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 4: of that, so that's not being included. But the vast

818
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 4: majority of stats are going in. The other reason I

819
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 4: think that they had been hesitant to put it in

820
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: was that the seasons weren't the same length and all that,

821
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 4: so you could put it in and count it in

822
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 4: the official stats, but the counting numbers aren't going to

823
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: be as high because they didn't play as many games.

824
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 4: But I heard that the counterpoint to that was they're

825
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 4: still including the COVID shortened and strike shortened season statistics

826
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: for Major League Baseball, so that shouldn't be an impediment

827
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 4: to bring these guys over. But that's why, like you said,

828
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 4: the new statistical leaders in a lot of categories are

829
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 4: on things like average and stuff like that, where the

830
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: quality matter is more than the number of games played.

831
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Speaker 4: But that was a lot of context. I mentioned John's is.

832
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 3: He your great uncle? Great uncle?

833
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 4: Was cool? Papa Bell, who your family calls Uncle Jay?

834
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 4: Is that right?

835
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: Crazy? Was this? I just went back to the crib.

836
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: My people stay off the street named after him. And

837
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: what's interesting is it's like it's like a three I took.

838
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: You can't see it in like in like the image

839
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: that I took, but it's a three corner street. Like

840
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: it's the MLK goes this way. It's like this way,

841
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: Whopapa Bell goes this way, and then my uncle Norman,

842
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: my uncle uncle uncle uncle Norman goes the other way.

843
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: So it's like MLK, my uncle Jay and then my

844
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 2: uncle other uncle Norman.

845
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It's St. Louis So yeah,

846
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: wow crazy crazy Yeah man.

847
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 4: That's that's let's be arm crazy. So your uncle Now

848
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 4: statistics are in the MLB stats which I think is

849
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 4: like the coolest fucking thing ever. But for those who

850
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 4: don't know, probably supposedly the fastest baseball player in the history.

851
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 4: I think everyone's heard the joke of you turn the

852
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 4: lights off and he's in bed before it goes dark.

853
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,479
Speaker 4: That quote was first said about John's great uncle.

854
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 3: You know, it was like it.

855
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: Was like a huge situations though, so he really yeah,

856
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: but yeah, but he was I should.

857
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 4: No no, no explained, no no no no no, no, no explain.

858
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 3: There was delay. There was a delay on the flip.

859
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: So he actually actually in the bed before it, but

860
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: it was a little delay on the switch.

861
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it came from truth, you know what I mean.

862
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: But the motherfucker was fast though, so it doesn't take

863
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 2: away from his speed. But yeah, man, that's crazy. I'm alright,

864
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: I'm keeping abuve with y'all. Though, Man, I kind of

865
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: got mixed feelings about it. Oh oh, elaborate, you know.

866
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: There there's a part of me that feels okay. So

867
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: I'm not at all saying that those guys weren't ballers,

868
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: that they weren't incredible, right, Like we've all heard the

869
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: anecdote about Josh Gibson and Josh Gibson. Josh Gibson wasn't

870
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: the black Baby Ruth. Baby Ruth was the white Josh Gibson.

871
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: We've seen Joe Joe DiMaggio say that Satul Page was

872
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: the best picture ever faced right, fifty six game hitting streak,

873
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: and he faced like a forty five year old Satue,

874
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: and he said, that's the best sky I've ever seen. Right,

875
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm like I said, I'm not at all saying that

876
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: that these guys weren't ballers who would have gone to

877
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 1: the to the MLB and thrived and been.

878
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: God's there too.

879
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: It's it's just I think sometimes the most powerful thing

880
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: you can do about a shameful moment in history is

881
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: to stand firm in that shame and and the the the.

882
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: Negro League incredible league.

883
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: Like I said, there's nothing shameful about the Negro Leagues,

884
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: but it came about from a shameful premise, a shameful

885
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: time in our country's history where there was segregation, right.

886
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: And I just don't know if retro actively making that

887
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: right is the best way to honor things here.

888
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: Like I said, I've got mixed feelings.

889
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: They should be acknowledged, you know, we absolutely should bring

890
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: more lights to how good incredible these guys were, and

891
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: how they were robbed of of of of playing on

892
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: the biggest stage because of racism, because of no other

893
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: reason than their skin color.

894
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 3: But like I said, I think sometimes the most powerful thing.

895
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: You can do about injustices is to stand firm in

896
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: them and and and acknowledge them, but and and not

897
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: try to retroactively fix them. That's kind of where I'm at,

898
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: mixed feelings here. Like I said, I.

899
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: Think a lot of people don't know how good the

900
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: Negro League players were. They don't know how good and

901
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: competitive the Negro League was, you know, they think it

902
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: was like a Triple A type league, and then some

903
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: players went into the MLB and were just better, you

904
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 2: know what I mean, those are the good players made there.

905
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: So like to.

906
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: Tyler's point, it might be better to just, hey, instead

907
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: of doing that, highlight the Negro League, speak to it,

908
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: speak to how good these players were, you know what

909
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: I mean, speak to why they couldn't be in an MLB.

910
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: You feel what I'm saying, Like, I mean that that

911
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: might be the more powerful thing instead of integrating it,

912
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 2: and then we don't talk about the Negro League as

913
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: much anymore and important to that and how pompin it

914
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: was during that time period, you feel me, And we

915
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: just talk about them as Major League Baseball players when

916
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: they weren't allowed to play, a lot of people that

917
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: were good enough weren't allowed to play.

918
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: You feel me. So, I mean that's that's that's a

919
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 3: that's a hell of a point.

920
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 4: I think the the I mean, I think you're.

921
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 3: Can you do them both together?

922
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 6: Though?

923
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 3: Can you do that high?

924
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 4: I think I think that's what they're attempting to do,

925
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 4: and I think it's it's like certainly up for a

926
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 4: plenty of judgment about whether they succeeded it or not,

927
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 4: But this is part of their effort to like, they're

928
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 4: gonna have a game. They've they've had a game I

929
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 4: think in June every year that is honoring the Negro

930
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 4: leagues where the teams wear a Negro league jersey and

931
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 4: they talk about the history and stuff. I think what's

932
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: difficult is like the way baseball in particular sees its

933
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 4: history is through numbers, and so I think this is

934
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 4: the attempt to bring out that conversation that you're talking

935
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 4: about of these numbers should count because these guys like

936
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 4: like I think in the and you saw it obviously

937
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 4: in a ton of replies, there's still so much racism

938
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 4: in that assumption. That is a triple Why would you assume,

939
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 4: looking at the history of.

940
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: Professional sports people, what has been better without black people?

941
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: As soon as they let us in, we took that motherfucker,

942
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

943
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 4: So I think this is the this is a Major

944
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 4: League Baseball And I would add, by the way, I

945
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 4: think major League Baseball has by far the worst record

946
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 4: on race in American pro sports. I'm not would never

947
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 4: defend the MLB's record on that. I do think this

948
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 4: is their effort to highlight that these dudes were good

949
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 4: enough that we shouldn't say ty Cobb hitting against not

950
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 4: the best pitchers in the world, gets to have these

951
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 4: records because we were not letting the most talented players

952
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 4: play in the game. So I think it's an attempt

953
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 4: to do what Tyler's talking about through the statistical record. Now,

954
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 4: the problem with baseball is that's the context they want

955
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 4: is through the numbers, right, Like that's the that's the

956
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 4: problem is not maybe opening up and telling that fuller

957
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 4: story as much as possible. But I'm grateful for, you know,

958
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 4: getting to read as many arguments as I read yesterday

959
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 4: of this is the logical reasons you should give to

960
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 4: anyone who says these numbers shouldn't count because it wasn't

961
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 4: against the best competition or whatever. But it's a it's

962
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 4: a very interesting move I say that, bro, because you're Tyler.

963
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 4: Makes a great point. I mean, it makes a great point,

964
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 4: like you're trying to set the record straight. But what's

965
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 4: the difference between that and sort of covering up or

966
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 4: pretending that an injustice wasn't done. That's a very thin lie.

967
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, are you ignoring history? Setting the records right?

968
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying is that allow you to

969
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: not speak on why that it needed to be done?

970
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, why it existed in the

971
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: first place. Oh but yeah, that's the other point. You know,

972
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: I didn't think of a black like that.

973
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, all right, Uh, speaking of people being clumsy

974
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 4: and stupid about race. I'm texting y'all a tweet right

975
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 4: now from Sam Forster, who is a white journalist in Canada,

976
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 4: an investigative journalists who tweeted the following thing yesterday. Last summer,

977
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 4: I disguised myself as a black man and traveled through

978
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 4: the United States to document how racism persists in American society.

979
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 4: Writing Seven Shoulders was one of the hardest things I've

980
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 4: ever done. Is a journeys. It's out on May thirtieth.

981
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: We need to see the pictures, bro, we need to

982
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: see what this motherfucker look like.

983
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: Most person question I have.

984
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,959
Speaker 2: We don't need this drawing, you know what I'm saying.

985
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: We need Oh oh oh, nigga, I want to for

986
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: a year. We need to find out.

987
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 4: Fuck?

988
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 3: Or what is this like?

989
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 6: Like?

990
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 3: What is this? Is this research nigga?

991
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 2: Or is this just a book you wanted to write

992
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: the fuck?

993
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 4: It didn't occur to me that he was going for

994
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 4: the Guinness World Record of marathon black.

995
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 3: Face consecutive days of black face. Hey, I gotta see too,

996
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 3: nig We have to see the picture.

997
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: Bro.

998
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 9: That's not mark because this is the whitest white motherfucker

999
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 9: I see, Bro, Bro like NIGGI that is a He

1000
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 9: looks like the definition of white man.

1001
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, if you define it

1002
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: now you draw that, it would be his face. How

1003
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 3: did you look like a nigga? Bro? I gotta see that.

1004
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: I got to see that to see it.

1005
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 6: Bro, When was the last time someone promoting a book

1006
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 6: had a tweet that had eighty two hundred quote tweets?

1007
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: Where is motherfucker?

1008
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 6: Once said, I saw you at the corner store and

1009
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 6: it's a picture of Robert dadda junior in Tropic thunder.

1010
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: Where candidacy from because he can't be from Toronto, he

1011
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: gotta be from the whitest Okay, okay, I don't even

1012
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 2: like niggas out there.

1013
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 4: I don't know enough about it.

1014
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: I don't know enough about it.

1015
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, my favorite I think my favorite reply is

1016
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 6: someone just going, what what were you thinking?

1017
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 3: Because it's funny. Is it about the story or about

1018
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: to tweet? Either way, brother, what you think of the

1019
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: last year of your life doing this?

1020
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 4: You need the picture.

1021
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck about reading any of this ship.

1022
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm a black person who knows how real racism is.

1023
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: You need to show us this motherfucking picture. Dog, That's

1024
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: all we care about.

1025
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1026
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 6: We got someone in the YouTube chat at Canuck Duke

1027
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 6: who said, I'm not sticking up for that Canadian. He's

1028
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 6: on his own, got a whole country saying no thanks,

1029
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 6: say no way.

1030
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 3: Brou.

1031
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 4: I also looked at the listening for this book on Amazon.

1032
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 4: You will not believe the book if you think the

1033
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 4: tweet is ill advised. Brother, let me read you the

1034
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 4: two sentence book Overview, six decades after the passage of

1035
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 4: the Civil Rights Act, Award winning journalist Sam Forster performs

1036
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 4: a daring transformation in order to taxonomites the various types

1037
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 4: of racism that persist in modern Americ Seven Shoulders is

1038
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 4: the most important book on American race relations that has

1039
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 4: ever been written.

1040
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 3: He reviewed that himself. Daring Jurassic reviewed by sand Park,

1041
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 3: who wrote the review.

1042
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 4: That's the that's the book.

1043
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 3: Who wrote the review. The Nigga di Blackface writer's over review, Like, nigga,

1044
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: what the fuck? This nigga is insane? Dog Bro Jerry

1045
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: to be.

1046
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: Black Jerry a daring transformation, like he turned into a

1047
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: werewolf dog.

1048
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: He's evil, nigga.

1049
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, walking the tightrope that is blackness.

1050
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: What the fuck? Everybody's insane?

1051
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 10: Nigga putting black face on, looking in the mirror and

1052
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 10: making eye contact with yourself, saying, yes, a daring transformation.

1053
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: You can do this today. You'll make it through.

1054
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: Only three hundred and sixty five days, you'll be okay.

1055
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: The fuck is wrong with.

1056
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 4: These niggas, man, No.

1057
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: Me white is.

1058
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 4: Crazy crossing out the calendar only one days.

1059
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 3: And the motherfucker's a Canadian. That's so wild.

1060
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: He saw some American racism going on, and he's like,

1061
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: I need to experience that firsthand, probably polished, probably use

1062
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: that voice.

1063
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 3: I need to experience that.

1064
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: Dude review of the book, he thought that Drake picture

1065
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: and that was the inspiration.

1066
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 3: Though, ah wow, I'm surprised every day.

1067
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 6: Hell Canuck Duke in the chat is given some killer lines.

1068
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 6: I don't know what the four oh one is, must

1069
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 6: be a freeway in Canada. But he just said, shoot,

1070
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 6: he could have drove down the four oh one and

1071
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 6: asked me.

1072
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: For some black Canadians out there who would love to

1073
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: have a chat with you, would love to talk to

1074
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: you about the experience.

1075
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 4: But that wouldn't be taxonomizing.

1076
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be as daring to actually talk to a

1077
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: black perchon about black ship.

1078
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1079
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 4: That's essay Cosby, who's a writer I like from Virginia

1080
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 4: who writes like crime books and is a black dude

1081
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 4: is His response was like, did you just think about

1082
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 4: like talking to a black person's.

1083
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 3: Not he doesn't know any We're myths. He heard about us,

1084
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 3: like perhaps.

1085
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 4: Like interview someone you know, like maybe that will work.

1086
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: You had to reinvent himself as one the daring transformation.

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Speaker 3: What's the percentage of black people in Montreal.

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Speaker 2: I gotta I can't imagine him walking by actual nigga

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Speaker 2: Montreal dressed as a nigga.

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Speaker 6: Google says not.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's not say Lewis or Richmond, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? That's that's part for a major said

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Speaker 1: how many people? That's par for a couple million? And

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Speaker 1: which about what how many? What's the population in Montreal.

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Speaker 4: Three point eight three? Well the metro area is three

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Speaker 4: point eight the actual city is one point six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's part for the course.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at this Canadian census. You know what they

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Speaker 4: referred to what we would call people of color as

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Speaker 4: you know what they call the negros visible minorities.

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Speaker 1: God damn, we can see we can see the black

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Speaker 1: hole in your face there, buddy, that we see that

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Speaker 1: notes there, Buddy, someone's grandpa black people?

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Speaker 3: Or is that of all races that aren't white?

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Speaker 4: It's all it's all non white, non aboriginal.

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Speaker 3: People are visible minorities. Yes, wow, that's why is Canada?

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Speaker 3: Is it? Is it a bill? More racist? Think that

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Speaker 3: you said? What said? Stayed home? Yeah, and do some

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Speaker 3: investigation on the visible minorities there.

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Speaker 4: There's two hundred thousand black people in Montreal like O.

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Speaker 3: That is nast bro.

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Speaker 4: All right, great show, guys, nice to be back, Jackson,

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Speaker 4: anything else for the chat we miss? Uh no? Okay,

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Speaker 4: all right, well, thanks to everyone for uh for tuning in.

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Speaker 4: We will be back Thursday night. The whole crew will

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Speaker 4: be back Thursday night to live stream after the MAVs

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Speaker 4: Wolves game. I gotta tell you, just from a pure

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Speaker 4: selfish podcast perspective, I really hope we get as many

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Speaker 4: games out of this series as possible because the NBA

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Speaker 4: is not gonna move their finals date. So every basketball

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Speaker 4: podcast you listen to, except for this one is gonna

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Speaker 4: be utter slop. If this fucking series ends on Thursday

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Speaker 4: and everyone's gott you're gonna get six different finals previews

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Speaker 4: from every podcast you listen to.

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Speaker 3: We'll be silly billion it up, you know.

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Speaker 4: All Right, We'll see y'all Thursday night. Thanks for hanging out,

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Speaker 4: Bye bye bye the volume