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Speaker 1: All right, guys, woke up to some wild news this morning.

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Speaker 1: Regime change in Venezuela. The President has announced that we

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Speaker 1: have struck within Venezuela and abducted and kidnapped the president,

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Speaker 1: Nicholas Maduro, along with his wife, who apparently set to

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Speaker 1: face charges in the Southern District of New York. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: this has been built up for some time, with all

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Speaker 1: and at other times administration officials and their allies have

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Speaker 1: So here we go. Let me put up on the

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Speaker 1: screen what the President posted initially to social media. To

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Speaker 1: successfully carried down a large scale strike against Venezuela and

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Speaker 1: its leader, President Nicholas Maduro, who has been along with

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Speaker 1: his wife, captured and flown out of the country. This

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Speaker 1: operation was done in conjunction with the US law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: Details to follow. There will be a news conference today

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Speaker 1: at eleven am. At mar A Lago. Let me go

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Speaker 1: ahead and give you what Pam Bondi, the Attorney General,

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Speaker 1: is saying about these charges. She says, Nicholas Maduro and

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Speaker 1: his wife, Celia Flora, has been indicted in the Southern

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Speaker 1: cocaine importation, conspiracy, possession of machine guns and destructive devices,

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Speaker 1: of American justice on American soil and American courts, on

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Speaker 1: behalf of the entire USDOJ. I'd like to thank President

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Speaker 1: Trump for having the courage to demand accountability on behalf

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Speaker 1: to capture these two alleged international narco traffickers. I will

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Speaker 1: remind you that just shortly short time ago, Trump pardoned

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Speaker 1: an actual drug trafficker, one Orlando Hernandez, former president of Honduras,

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Speaker 1: seemingly because some of Trump's tech oligarch buddies were mad

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Speaker 1: But in any case, if you had any illusion that

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Speaker 1: dismantled by the fact of his recent pardon of that

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Speaker 1: former president of Honduras, one Orlando Hernandez, who actually was

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Speaker 1: involved in drug smuggling and drug trafficking. Here we go

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Speaker 1: Trump on Fox and Friends talking about the incredible raid

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Speaker 1: as he describes it, that captured kidnapped Maduro and his

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Speaker 2: A quite a busy heavening tell us about it. It

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Speaker 2: all over, especially in Venezuela. The team did an incredible job.

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Speaker 2: They rehearsed and practiced like nobody's ever seen. And it

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Speaker 2: that there's no other country on earth that could do

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Speaker 2: such a maneuver. If you would have seen what happened,

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Speaker 3: You're at mar A Lago right now. How were you able.

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Speaker 2: To watch this? Well, we watched it from a room.

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Speaker 2: And it was very complex, extremely complex, the whole maneuver,

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Speaker 3: And you were able to watch this in real time?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't forget. I've done some pretty good ones

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Speaker 1: So there you go. That is what the President is

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Speaker 1: telling Fox and Friends this morning. I do have a

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Speaker 1: the Latin American desk for Drop Site News, to break

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Speaker 1: down what we know and what this means obviously incredibly

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Speaker 1: significant geopolitical ramifications here. So definitely want to get to

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Speaker 1: In the early hours, Venezuelan government sent an official statement

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Speaker 1: shortly after confirmed that following this brutal situation, brutal attack,

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Speaker 1: According to sources in Venezuela, they say Tiona Fort, major

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Speaker 3: You, welcome, Thank you much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, so let me just get your reaction

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Speaker 3: Well, what we just saw was absolutely extraordinary. I think

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Speaker 3: and it seems that that's precisely what happened last night

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Speaker 3: accurate term. You know, let's talk about him being captured.

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Speaker 3: I believe he's being held prisoner as a captive on

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Speaker 3: a terrible precedent for the region, for the country. I

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Speaker 1: What do you see as the motivation for this attack

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Speaker 3: So we have a lot of important actors inside of Washington,

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Speaker 3: their biggest targets were Venezuela, Cuban, Nicaragua, who have always

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Speaker 3: And so all of that response to that, everything that

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Speaker 3: of course, who were seeking to oust by any means necessary,

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Speaker 3: two of its president's kidnapped. To remember, in two thousand

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Speaker 3: But this is what it is. It's regime change. It's

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Speaker 3: and so all of that is because, on the one hand,

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Speaker 3: Right now, it looks like the revolutionary regime is still

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Speaker 1: The South Florida contingent, I mean, that is one of

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Speaker 3: Flimsy is the right word. There is no real justification

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Speaker 3: And it's the UN that says it. It's DA reports

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Speaker 1: I've heard this Panama comparison quite frequently, so maybe you

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Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit more about what you

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Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts about the broader geopolitical implications here.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's time for the world to realize

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Speaker 3: there to be at least a statement some kind of pushback.

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Speaker 3: against all of this, illegality. Then whoever is willing to

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Speaker 3: I think is very clear to just about anybody at

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Speaker 3: trust someone who's willing to do this kind of thing

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Speaker 3: to kidnap a president? What's to stop him? That could

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Speaker 3: be the argument used anywhere, just to raise an allegation

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Speaker 3: really is dangerous. It's dangerous for the world. You know,

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Speaker 3: the United States has a pure rival in China. Do

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Speaker 3: they really want to provoke this kind of conflict with

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Speaker 3: important allies of China in Latin America. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: not seeking new forever wars. This is hardly any different.

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Speaker 3: Just because you're not invading the country doesn't mean that

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Speaker 3: this isn't an act of war. Is this really what

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Speaker 3: this has momentum, if they start doing this throughout the world,

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Speaker 3: of course it's eventually going to produce an armed conflict

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Speaker 3: are going to be sent to be killed for wars

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Speaker 3: for oil. We've been down this road before, and I

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Speaker 3: think it's really time for us to shape up. This

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Speaker 3: is the new reality. This is what it means to

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Speaker 3: have Donald Trump and his like in the White House

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 1: I saw someone joke on Twitter or that they're beginning

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Speaker 1: to doubt the legitimacy of the FIFA Peace Prize that

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Speaker 1: Trump was just awarded. Jose Luis Granado Saiha, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. This was extraordinary analysis and I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely anytime, and of course as things develop, you

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Speaker 3: information for my colleagues there on the ground as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody, I'm sure already listening to this channel. Big

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Speaker 1: Ryan Grim fans, Big Drop Site fans will be following

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Speaker 1: your coverage closely. And for everybody out there listening to this,

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Speaker 1: we will continue to monitor, you know, we may do

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Speaker 1: another breaking news segment over the course of the weekend.

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Speaker 1: We've got this mar A Logo press conference coming up,

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Speaker 1: so we'll see what comes out of that, and otherwise

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Speaker 1: Soger and I will be in studios, so we will

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