1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: This is the Eds with Eddie, Judge and Edwin Ato Yave. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: We got a special guest today, Sean through he right 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 2: right accent. Yeah. Well, Sean has been married to the 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: Real Housewives of Salt Lake City cast member and Ge 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety nine. Okay, good, So you survived the 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: two thousand and end of the world we live five years. 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: That's incredible, Sean, congratulations on twenty five years. That's something. 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been through it all. 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. Has it officially been twenty five years or is 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 3: it like December? 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 4: No, it was twenty five years in June. 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 3: Oh, what did you What did you do for That's 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 3: a big date. I mean, what did you do? 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting, you know, with everything that's going on, 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 4: all the travel that we've had to incur with the 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 4: show along with Electra's equestrian travel, you know, we have 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 4: the opportunity to be home during that time and we 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 4: just went to dinner, had a nice dinner. We always 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 4: bring Electra with the U and uh, you know, that's 20 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 4: that's about it, you know. Now, Uh, nowadays, when you 21 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 4: can be a home and just kind of relax a 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 4: little bit and do normal stuff, we kind of really 23 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 4: cherished that. 24 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's so valuable. So let us give us 25 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: some insight on your family. I know you have one daughter, 26 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: thirteen year old Electra. You mentioned right, do you have 27 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: another kid at home? 28 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 4: No daughter, just Electra. She's our one and only. We 29 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 4: tried for more for for many many years. We you know, 30 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 4: when she was two years old, we started trying for 31 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 4: a second one and we went through about four and 32 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 4: a half to five years of of everything. You know, 33 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 4: it's it's one of the pitfalls to having kids later. 34 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 4: You know, there's there's the pros and cons. You know. 35 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 4: On the on the pro side of it, you know, 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 4: we were established and and you know we've been able 37 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 4: to spend every every waking moment with her when needed 38 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 4: and uh, and that's been good. But on the pitfall side, 39 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 4: it's it's just harder to have kids when you're older. 40 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 4: You know. Yeah I was forty, yeah age Andrew was 41 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 4: thirty seven. So yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what. She 42 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 4: takes all we got though, you know, with all this course, 43 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 4: I mean Edwin knows this. It's like when you're in 44 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 4: the horse, you know, uh business and and you know 45 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 4: you're it's just it's an expensive sport. So you know, 46 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 4: she takes sport. 47 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: It's all the time. I mean, my daughter goes twice 48 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 3: two weekends out of the month, and it's like Thursday, 49 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: ye through Sunday. So it's like you have your own 50 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: little life. It's true. 51 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true. Yeah. 52 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: So but you you've done a good job of going 53 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: with her all the time, right. 54 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 4: I try to be there every time. You know, something 55 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: we have in common. I was raised on a ranch, 56 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 4: and you know I was raised riding horses, so you know, 57 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 4: it's really been fun. You know, we bought her a 58 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 4: horse when she was two years old, a little tiny thing, 59 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 4: you know, and and she really hasn't been off of 60 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 4: a horse since. And you know, I was in four 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 4: h you know, we were doing like poles, barrels, barrel racing, 62 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 4: you know, all that stuff. But you know, it wasn't 63 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 4: until about I would say, five years ago that she said, Dad, 64 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 4: I want to get into horse jumping. And obviously this 65 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 4: was a new world for us. There's there's a lot 66 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 4: more technique, technical aspects to it. And we gave it 67 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 4: a shot and she has not turned back and she 68 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 4: she has found her passion. I'm grateful that she's found 69 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 4: her passion in the horse world because obviously I can 70 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 4: now kind of, you know, see that world through her 71 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: eyes and we share that passion and and stuff like that. 72 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 4: So it's been a great, great experience. 73 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Let's go back a little bit. Where did 74 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: you grow up? 75 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 4: I grew up here in Salt Lake City. 76 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: Oh you did like growing up there. 77 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 4: You know, I had a great childhood, you know. I mean, 78 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 4: like I said, I was born on a ranch. You know, 79 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 4: we were around animals all the time. Uh, you know, 80 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 4: my dadad got us into this. Uh you know, I 81 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 4: had cousins doing it, so we we kind of fell 82 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 4: into it. And you know, between the four age and 83 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 4: just writing in the desert things like that, you know, 84 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: we I don't know, you know, it's just one of 85 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 4: those things where, you know, he kind of continued to 86 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 4: grow in the horse world. He now runs a horse 87 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 4: racing business and so so we got into that as 88 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 4: well and have been able to experience kind of all 89 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 4: things worses growing up. 90 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 3: So yeah, so you Latino, your last name is Toru Here. 91 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 4: I am yeah. Yeah, I have to Spanish. My dad's Spanish, 92 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 4: and and you know he was he was born and 93 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: raised here you know. Unfortunately he never really spoke Spanish 94 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 4: in the home. Uh you, I don't, I know enough 95 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 4: to be dangerous, okay, but married to a Greek that 96 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 4: had kind of like overcome anything else. So I actually 97 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 4: speak more Greek now than Spanish. 98 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's awesome. 99 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 3: Yeah tell us so so, so you grew up in 100 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 3: Salt Lake. Uh yeah, you obviously grew up riding horses 101 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: and stuff. And it seems like you've been working out 102 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: all your life too, right, I mean I heard I 103 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: was reading up on some stuff and it looks like 104 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 3: your wife talked about how when you first met you, 105 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: you were you were doing hair cutting hair, but she 106 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: saw this guy that was muscular and handsome. 107 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: Right. 108 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: Have you always been about working out or you know? 109 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 4: I got into health and wellness and fitness when I 110 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 4: was about eighteen years old. You know. A cousin got 111 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 4: me into it. He was in the bodybuilding stuff, and 112 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 4: I just kind of kind of followed him into that, 113 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: to that aspect of it, and and really it's just 114 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 4: been a part of my life ever since then. I've 115 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 4: never taken time off, you know. You know how guys 116 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 4: will get into it and they'll take a year off 117 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 4: for several months. I've never done that. It's just something that, uh, 118 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 4: that I really took to and and I realize that, 119 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 4: you know, you know, as you as you get into 120 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 4: health and wellness, it's not just the physical aspect, it's 121 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 4: the mental aspect. And as I grow older, I realize 122 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 4: how much that does, you know, affect my mental health 123 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 4: and and really keeps me sharp. And you know, if 124 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 4: I take a day off here or there, you know, 125 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 4: I'm definitely a little more cloudy. So so sorry if 126 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 4: I'm not in the gym, you know, I'll do the 127 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 4: jailhouse workout, I'll do my births in the house. I'll 128 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 4: do my push ups and sit ups and air squats 129 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 4: and stuff like that. It's just something that I that 130 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 4: I have to do. 131 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: You know. It's you know, what's interesting about discipline. And 132 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 3: you know, Eddie's got the discipline of his fitness. You 133 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 3: obviously do as well, and it carries on to like 134 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 3: business and all that stuff. But I always tell people that, 135 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 3: you know, discipline is hard at first, but if you 136 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: can sustain discipline for a long time, it becomes a 137 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: lifestyle and it's no longer hard. Right right now, the 138 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: opposite of discipline is pleasure, right, Pleasure very easy, very comfortable. 139 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 3: You're going to want to do it all the time. 140 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: But if you sustain pleasure for a long time, you're 141 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: not going to be very happy. And that's why I've 142 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: always said that the higher the discipline, the happier you'll be, right, 143 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: And the lesser the discipline, the less happy you'll be. 144 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 4: One hundred percent totally agree. 145 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: Is that up there along the lines of you know, 146 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: buying a Ferrari and you know, six months or eight 147 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: months later, you get over it, so you want a 148 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: new Ferrari, kind of like I did last year with 149 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: my Harley. I got it for a year and I 150 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: was like ready for a new one. 151 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 3: I think a good example is like ice cream. Like 152 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: I love ice cream, right, but you continue to have 153 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: ice cream every day, you're not going to be very happy. 154 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: Right. 155 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. Alcohol maybe you you you like you can drink 156 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: a couple of days. You keep doing that and you 157 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 3: sustain it for a long time, it's not gonna be 158 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: pleasurable anymore, right, you know. It's just if you really 159 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: think about it, anything that's pleasure if you sustain it, 160 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 3: like if you go on if you just don't do 161 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: nothing for a year. It might be pleasure for the 162 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: first three weeks a month. I guarantee you after a month, 163 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: if you don't have a new purpose, you're going to 164 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: be miserable. 165 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 4: Absolutely totally. 166 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: If you don't stay active, you're going to be miserable. 167 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree. And it is right up there 168 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 4: with you know, the car or you know, I love watches, 169 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 4: you know, and it's like, Okay, I'm gonna get this 170 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 4: one and that's all I need. And I did it, 171 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 4: and then I find another one that I want, you 172 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 4: know what I mean. But but you know ed when 173 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 4: you you did a post on Instagram a while back, 174 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 4: and you know, you talked about, you know, acquiring some 175 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: of these physical things that that you know, you reward 176 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 4: yourself with, and and it's almost like, you know, you've 177 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 4: hit a goal, you know, and and it's always there's 178 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 4: always something to work towards within that and and it 179 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 4: becomes less about you know, the physical thing is it 180 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 4: is about the achievement. And and that's that that is 181 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 4: so true. That's exactly where I'm at. And and I 182 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 4: really you know, you've got to have a purpose, you know, 183 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 4: and and sometimes it's it's the car or the watch, 184 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 4: and sometimes it's a new business or whatever it is, 185 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 4: but there's always got to be that creative process happening 186 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: and that that goal to strive. 187 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: How did you get into doing hair? 188 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: Was it for the women? 189 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I I really didn't. It wasn't in 190 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 4: the beginning, but it was. It's an interesting story. So, 191 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 4: you know, I grew up in constructing. My dad had 192 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 4: the ranch. He was in the construction business. You owned 193 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 4: a commercial tile contracting company, so so you know, if 194 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 4: I wasn't out back shoveling horse poop, I was, you know, 195 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 4: working with my dad setting tile stuff like that. So 196 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 4: you know, it was one of those things where I 197 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 4: was like, God, I just don't want to do this 198 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: for the rest of my life. I saw what what 199 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: you know, he he had kind of gone through physically 200 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 4: and all of that stuff. And I also just saw 201 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 4: the grind, you know, and I don't mind the grind, 202 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 4: but you know, it's just such hard work. And I 203 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 4: have so much respect for those guys, and we need 204 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 4: those guys obviously, But you know, I knew that that 205 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 4: wasn't for me, and you know, I took a short 206 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 4: little stint from the tile business and started working at Kmart, 207 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 4: and I started working as a checker, and I worked 208 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 4: my way out through sporting goods. You know, that was 209 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 4: a fun job. I knew that that was just something 210 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 4: to kind of give me another experience outside of of 211 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 4: what I had with family. And but you know it 212 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 4: wasn't you know, too long after that, I did get 213 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 4: back into the tile business again. And and you know 214 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 4: the thing about that stuff is like, you know, even 215 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 4: though it's not, you're calling the money's good, you know, 216 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 4: especially as a young man, which which kind of traps 217 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 4: you a little bit, I guess. And you know, I 218 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 4: had this crazy thing happen. I was working on a 219 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 4: tile job, and you know, we were floating out a 220 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 4: floor to get a level before we set the tile, 221 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 4: and you know, you reach into the cement mixer to 222 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 4: check the mud, make sure it packs right, whether it 223 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 4: needs more water or whatever. And I had gone to 224 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 4: a party with my girlfriend and she had bought me 225 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 4: this ring and i'd put it on. We had had 226 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 4: a late night, but I had an early morning and 227 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 4: I forgot to take the ring off. So I reached 228 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 4: in to check the mud and it caught my ring 229 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 4: and basic pulled me into the mixer, and it was 230 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 4: like that split second where it's like, Okay, this is 231 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 4: either going to be my entire arm or you know, 232 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 4: and I just I wedged myself against the machine and 233 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 4: my finger came with it, you know, went with the ring. 234 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 4: So you know, the reason I tell that story is 235 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 4: it gave me a break, right, It gave me a break. 236 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 4: It gave me this reassessment like I do not want 237 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 4: to you know, it reaffirmed like this was not the 238 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 4: direction that I wanted to go. And the girl I 239 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 4: was dating at the time was a hairdresser, and she'd 240 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 4: be like, you know, I always loved to paint, I 241 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 4: always loved drawing. I did like fashion and things like that, 242 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 4: so you know, I thought, you know, this is probably 243 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 4: a good opportunity to give it a shot. I really 244 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 4: went into it, not really not really knowing what was 245 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 4: going to happen. And then I saw this remember House 246 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 4: of Style back in the day, Cindy Crawford hosted it. 247 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 4: It was on MTV. It was like this docuseries and 248 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 4: this series they talked about fashion, and you know, I 249 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 4: turned it on and they did this mini documentary on 250 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 4: this hairdresser. His name was John soa Hogg. It was 251 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 4: an editorial stylist in New York and he was working 252 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: on Amber Voletta and I thought, God, you know that 253 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 4: problem that could be cool. 254 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 5: You know. 255 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 4: So, so I enrolled in school. The rest was history, 256 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 4: you know. So, so I loved the craft, you know, 257 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 4: to your point, I loved working with women. And you know, 258 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 4: the funny thing is is like, you know, women gossip 259 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 4: with each other and stuff like that, but when there's 260 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 4: a guy involved, there's a lot less of that happening. 261 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 4: So I didn't experience that. But what I did realize 262 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 4: was the guys that I was working with on the 263 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 4: construction site were way worse than the girls. You know 264 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 4: what I mean, They were way worse than the girls. 265 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 4: So you know, I love the craft, I love the culture. 266 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 4: I loved working with women. And you know, I was 267 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 4: a very technical person. I wouldn't like to say type A, 268 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 4: but whatever I do, I like to do well. And 269 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 4: so you know, the rest is history. I started started hairdressing, 270 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 4: and I worked my way from the very bottom all 271 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 4: the way up, and it was it was one of 272 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 4: those deals where you know, I'd get up, I would 273 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 4: open a gym that I worked at at five o'clock 274 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 4: in the morning. I would get off at nine thirty 275 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 4: ten o'clock, go to the salon and be support staff 276 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 4: or an assistant, you know, sweeping hair, washing hair whatever 277 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: till seven, eight o'clock at night. And then I would 278 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 4: work at a night club from nine o'clock at night 279 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: until two in the morning. And I did that for 280 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 4: two years straight. Ah. Yeah, And discipline, that's the discipline, 281 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 4: you know I was. I was getting by on naps 282 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 4: in the breakroom, you know older. 283 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: I was twenty two two, okay. 284 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 4: Twenty one something like that. So, and to be honest 285 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: with you, I can't remember a day that I didn't 286 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 4: do work, you know. Being raised on a ranch, you know, 287 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 4: I always liked things, and I always wanted a new 288 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 4: bike or a new part from my bike or whatever. 289 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 4: And if I wasn't making what I needed to make 290 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 4: on the ranch, I'd go pull weeds at my neighbor's house. 291 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 4: I just I don't remember not working, you know. And 292 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 4: I also don't remember not having a goal to acquire 293 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 4: something along the way. 294 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: Sounds very similar or very familiar, right Edwin? 295 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: Oh? 296 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know what's interesting about I was 297 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: just talking to my friend about this the other day 298 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: about you know, instead of like hitting the clubs like 299 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: we used to back in the day when we were single, 300 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 3: Like being a hairdresser great, right, because there's lot of 301 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: women there, and then also being in the horse world 302 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: because both are very similar, Like most of the men 303 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 3: are gay that are doing it. So if you're like 304 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: the one dude there, that's you don't even have to 305 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 3: be decent looking, right, like you go to town on everyone 306 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: because there's no other dudes. 307 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 4: It's the law of exposure. 308 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yea. Well, it's great about the horse world 309 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: is they're all rich. I'm like that. I would have 310 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 3: known that when I was twenty got me a sugar 311 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 3: mama back then. You know. 312 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: Well, I got to tell you when in my mid twenties, 313 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: I had some really good friends that we used to 314 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: party together, and both of them were hairstylists. One of 315 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: them owned the salon and the other one was I 316 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: think he was a silent partner or something. But they 317 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: were wildly successful, driving expensive cars, making a bunch of 318 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: money and surrounded by all these hot women, you know, 319 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: and it was quite an environment. I did admire them, 320 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: but I never saw myself, you know, doing something like 321 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: cutting hair, Like I just didn't see myself having the 322 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: ability to do something like that. 323 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 4: Sure, well, you know, I'll tell you it's a great profession, 324 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 4: you know. I mean, it's it's just one of those 325 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 4: things where, you know, the day that I started doing that, 326 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 4: I never worked a day in my life. You know. 327 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 4: I woke up every day just I could not wait 328 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 4: to get out of bed, get to work and just 329 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 4: do what I love doing. And you know, I'm so 330 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 4: fortunate to have been able to choose something that resonated 331 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 4: with me like that, because you know, I've had a 332 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 4: full life in my work environment, and god, I can't 333 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 4: imagine it being any better, you know. 334 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, by the way, tell us how you started. I mean, 335 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 3: obviously you started cutting hair, but now you've made this 336 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 3: big old business out of it. 337 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know that. 338 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 3: How did that happen? 339 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 4: You know? It's just like ignorance is bliss, you know 340 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,239 Speaker 4: what I mean. It's like I think in you know, 341 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 4: ninety seven ninety eight, Angie's you know, Angie's a hairdresser 342 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 4: as well, and she's like, you know, we should do 343 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 4: our own thing, or you know, we should start to 344 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 4: think about this, And I was I was really happy 345 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 4: where I was at because I was making great money. 346 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 4: I could show up and leave, you know. I mean, 347 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 4: I really wasn't thinking like that, but I just thought, God, 348 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 4: I'm really doing great. And then you know, ninety nine 349 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 4: rolls around and I'm like, okay, let's do this. And 350 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 4: one of the reasons is because you know, there are 351 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 4: a lot of companies that offer you education, you know, 352 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 4: just support like that, and really what they said that 353 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 4: they offered really wasn't It didn't end up being what 354 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 4: they said it was. You know, it was maybe a product, 355 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 4: knowledge class or something. You know, we were really really 356 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 4: passionate about the craft itself, and so we crave that. 357 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: And you know, any bit of money that her and 358 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 4: I made, we'd go. We'd fly to LA we'd fly 359 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 4: to New York, we'd fly to Dallas and do these 360 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 4: courses and classes and things like that. And it's like, 361 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 4: you know, we really need to do something that really 362 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 4: encompasses you know, and you know, we didn't know it 363 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 4: so much then, but we know it now. That was 364 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,479 Speaker 4: a core of value of education m and so it's like, okay, 365 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 4: we're going to start this with this premise, you know 366 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 4: what I mean, And and you know, it's just we started, 367 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 4: and you know, we started in seven hundred square feet. 368 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 4: There were wow, wow, there were five stations. And you know, 369 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 4: we we both left the spaces that we were working in. 370 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 4: We did it very respectfully. You know, we gave them 371 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 4: heads up and we're like, we're not going to recruit. 372 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 4: That's not what we're trying to do here. So her 373 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 4: and I started. We knew that that we could keep 374 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 4: this thing run and pay the rent, you know, with 375 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 4: our income, and you know, we it was crazy, like 376 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 4: a month later we were full and and and then 377 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 4: we had a weight list. I never in a million 378 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 4: years thought I would have a weight list to work 379 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 4: with us. 380 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 3: It was a better haircutter, your wife. You know, I 381 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 3: got to tell you who was the weight list for 382 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 3: you or for your wife? 383 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 4: Well, you know, the weight list was for people that 384 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 4: wanted to work with us. 385 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 3: Okay. 386 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 4: So we had this weight list and it kept growing 387 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 4: and growing and growing, and then a year later, you know, 388 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 4: we worked to deal out with the landlord to take 389 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 4: the other half of this space out. So we went 390 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 4: from seven hundred to fourteen hundred. Wow, and we're like, okay, 391 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 4: this is this is awesome. We grew and were full immediately, 392 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 4: and then a year later we had that same weight list. 393 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 4: So it's like, holy shit, what what do we do? 394 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 4: Do We go to you know, location number two. So 395 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 4: the answer to your question is, like, you know, we 396 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 4: started growing very organically based on demand, and and we 397 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 4: we continued that along the way. 398 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 3: And I assume because you did it that way, you 399 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 3: invested your own money. You didn't have to go to 400 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 3: raise money or any of that. I assume, right, we did. 401 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 4: And you know, I like that you brought that up 402 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 4: because you know, Ange and I, you know, we didn't 403 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 4: have college backgrounds or anything like that. But what we 404 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 4: did have was common sense. And you know, we my 405 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 4: brother did lend me twenty thousand dollars to open Location 406 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 4: number one. You know, I told them, you know, I'll 407 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 4: pay it back within a year, and I got him 408 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 4: paid back within five months. And after that, we didn't 409 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 4: we didn't leverage ourselves to grow. You know, we always 410 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 4: just kind of paid cash for things, and and so 411 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 4: you know, we we had common sense. 412 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you what gave you the 413 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 2: confidence to go into business for yourself? 414 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 4: Like, I mean, well, again, you know, all I can 415 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 4: say at that time, you know, was ignorance was bliss. 416 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 4: You know, it was just like, if we're going to 417 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 4: do this, we we knew in the initial location that 418 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 4: we could fund and finance the operations. Oh you know, 419 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 4: we start to grow and we had to split up 420 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 4: the leadership. I had to go to the new locations. 421 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 4: She stuck to the to the flagship location. That that 422 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,719 Speaker 4: is where things got a little bit tricky because all 423 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 4: of a sudden, you have about forty employees that you're 424 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 4: now responsible for. And that's when I started hiring executive coaches, 425 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 4: business coaches, stuff like that. 426 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, so it's about. 427 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 4: About yeah, I think it was year three I started. Maybe, no, 428 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 4: it was earlier that. I think it was like year two. 429 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 4: I started hiring coaches once we started to see the 430 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 4: responsibility that we were taking on because you know, obviously 431 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 4: like from a from a confident from a confidence standpoint 432 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 4: in terms of taking care of people, like you're like, 433 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 4: you know, really it gives you pause to think, like, Okay, 434 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 4: I really got to get solid in my business. 435 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 2: And I understand you had a I might have missed 436 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: it in the beginning, but you had the educational component 437 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: like a like a training class. We get John John 438 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 2: Paul Mitchell training class. 439 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 4: Right, well, we have a school with John Paul. Oh, okay, 440 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 4: with with Paul Mitchell. We have a cosmetology school as well. 441 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 4: And you know that those were some of the advanced 442 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 4: courses that Ange and I were partaking in as we 443 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 4: were growing in the career. And they would see us everywhere, 444 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 4: you know, every every time they had a class, we 445 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 4: would show up, and you know, we got to know 446 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 4: John Paul. We got to know when who's you know, 447 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 4: they they partnered in the school business, and when it 448 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 4: was time to open one in Salt Lake City, they 449 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 4: came to us and said, look, let's do a school together. 450 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: That's awesome. I got to meet John Paul last Sunday. 451 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: I was at the any Chari drag Races. Yeah. Yeah, 452 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: what a what a weird world we live in where 453 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: full circle I meet this guy. My wife was super excited. 454 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: You know, this is the guy that was on TV 455 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: when I was younger, and now he owns a drag 456 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: racing team and any tequila company, right right, Yeah, you. 457 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: Know what you're doing well when you when you own 458 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: a drag racing team. 459 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. The only thing more expensive than horses, right, yea. 460 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: Racing. Yah, that's awesome. 461 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 3: You dated how long before you got married? 462 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 4: And and I dated for about four years before we 463 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: got married. You know, I met her It was a funny, 464 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 4: funny story. The first salon that I started to work in. 465 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 4: She was a client of the guy that worked next 466 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 4: to me, and we just became friends. I always thought, God, 467 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 4: she's so hot, you know what I mean. And I 468 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 4: had somebody at the time, She had somebody at the time, 469 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 4: And then she started talking to us about, you know, 470 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 4: I'm really interested in doing this. What are your thoughts, 471 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 4: you know, would you recommend all of that stuff? And 472 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 4: of course we said, we love what we do. You know, 473 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 4: if you're passionate about something like this, you should get 474 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 4: into it. So she went to school and when she graduated, 475 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 4: she started working at the salon that I was at. 476 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 4: And it wasn't until then that we started to date, so, 477 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 4: you know, and it happened just because like there was 478 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 4: a Valentine's Day and you know, we worked really late. 479 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 4: We were support staff at the time, and we ended 480 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 4: up being the last two out of the salon and 481 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 4: and we're like, hey, I'm like, hey, do you want 482 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 4: to grab a bite to eat. So we did and 483 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 4: the rest is history. 484 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: That's amazing. 485 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, so organic, right, I mean, you have something so 486 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 5: in common, you're both very passionate about it, and then 487 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 5: it just grows into this awesome empire you have now, right, 488 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 5: it's incredible. 489 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been fun. It's been fun. 490 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 3: Howevery do you have? Now? How many is it franchises? Now? 491 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 3: How many are these offices or salons do you have? 492 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 4: Now? So there's nine locations. We have franchised a couple 493 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 4: of them. And the reason we did that is because 494 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 4: you know, you meet people in the industrree and they're like, hey, 495 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 4: I love what you have going. You know, could we 496 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 4: partner and and that sort of thing, and we have 497 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 4: That happened time and time again, and you know, we 498 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 4: ended up building the franchise company just to simply grow 499 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 4: control the brand, have have controls over it. We didn't 500 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,239 Speaker 4: set out to, you know, open one hundred locations. You know, 501 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 4: if that happens organically, you know, through the process, then great, 502 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 4: But we just wanted to maintain control of the brand. 503 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: Smart. Yeah. Can we go back a little bit and 504 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about your relationship with Angie, 505 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: Like tell us, What why you've been together so long? 506 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: What's working well? You know, it's interesting. You know you 507 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: talked about the passion in terms of what we did 508 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: for a living. You know, I think, you know, the 509 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: great thing about our relationship was, you know, it was 510 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: the passion. 511 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 4: In what we do. But along with that, you know, 512 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 4: you just you cultivate this this synergy of of I 513 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 4: think personal core values, things that you believe in health 514 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 4: and wellness was a part of that. You know, she 515 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 4: is so funny and so witty. I mean, nobody makes 516 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 4: me laugh like she does, you know, and I think, 517 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 4: you know, I'm a little bit more like your dad. 518 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 4: I'm a little more subdued, and I don't really open 519 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 4: up until I really know somebody. Yeah, she's she's everybody. 520 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 4: I mean, dude, we could go to an insurance seminar 521 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 4: and she could go to the bathroom and walk out 522 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 4: with five best friends, you know, and that's just Angie 523 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 4: and I really that was really attractive, and it's attractive 524 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 4: to this day how she can make people feel. You know, 525 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 4: everything that we've done, we've we've done together there and 526 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 4: there's just a crazy bond there that that I can't 527 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 4: really explain. You know, she's you know, in business. You know, 528 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 4: if if she's fallen off the ledge, I talk her 529 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 4: back on. And then if I'm falling off the ledge, 530 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 4: She's there to bring me back. And you know, she 531 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 4: she just has this intense belief in herself and who 532 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 4: she is as a person. As where I'm you know, 533 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 4: I I you know, you could call this some childhood ship, 534 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 4: but you know I was a little less sure of 535 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 4: myself and a little more shy and way more subdued. 536 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 4: So you know, I was attracted to that person that 537 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 4: really that really owned that, you know. And and and 538 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 4: I think she, on the flip side, was attracted to 539 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 4: the drive, the hard work, the nose to the grind stone. 540 00:28:54,560 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 4: You know. I think women are you know, there's you know, 541 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 4: like top five trades, and one of them is is like, 542 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 4: you know, this person signaling to them that they have 543 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 4: an ability to provide. And I think that was one 544 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 4: of the things. But you know, I my list for 545 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 4: Angie could go on and on and on. 546 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: Do you guys spend a lot of time It's a 547 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: probably dumb question, but do you guys spend a lot 548 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 2: of time together? 549 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 4: We do spend a lot of time together. It's usually 550 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 4: as a family unit. We could get better at, you know, 551 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 4: probably spending time just the two of us, more alone time, 552 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 4: but you know, it's just like electric is just she 553 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 4: loves being with us, and I know that's not going 554 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 4: to last very long now, you know what I mean. 555 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 4: She's thirteen years old, and it's like, you know, as 556 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 4: long as she wants to be with us, we're gonna 557 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 4: bring her with us. You know. So we do spend 558 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 4: a lot of time together as a family, and you know, 559 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 4: we do have our meals together, you know, very That's 560 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 4: something that I grew up with, that's something that she 561 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 4: grew up with, and it's something that we've carried on 562 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 4: and we believe is very important for the family. 563 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: Do you have a big family between the two of you, guys. 564 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 4: Well, Angie has a really big family. Uh yeah, she's great. 565 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 4: She's got she's got six siblings, you know, and then 566 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,959 Speaker 4: her extended family. Her dad has six siblings and you know, 567 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 4: between the cousins, you know, all of that stuff. It's 568 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 4: it's huge. I come from a much smaller family. I 569 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 4: have two brothers and we're very very close, you know, 570 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 4: very close, and. 571 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: A younger two younger brothers. 572 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 4: I got one that it's two years younger than me 573 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,959 Speaker 4: and the other is seven years younger than me. Okay, 574 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 4: so yeah, I was the oldest, but a great relationship 575 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 4: with those guys, and you know, I stay in touch 576 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 4: with them daily. 577 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 2: Well that leads us to the topic that you know, 578 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 2: brought us all together here, and that's the Housewife's show. 579 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 3: Tell us a. 580 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: Little bit about your experience leading up to it. Where 581 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 2: you familiar with the housewife franchise and the TV. Did 582 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 2: you watch it before you signed up? And when when 583 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: you got asked to go on the show, what were 584 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: your thoughts? 585 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 4: Well, you know, the funny thing is is in two 586 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 4: thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, I just got 587 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 4: to finished remodeling a house that Angeine I moved into, 588 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 4: and you know, I just I sat down that you know, 589 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 4: everything was done. Finally we put the last piece of 590 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 4: furniture and I clicked on the TV and here comes 591 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 4: this thing called Real house Wives of Orange County, and 592 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 4: so I got into I'm like, what is this? You 593 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 4: know what I mean? I mean, there was the old 594 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 4: MTV reality experience you know that I grew up with, 595 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 4: but this was something different and I was like this 596 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 4: is interesting, and it just kind of kept my attention. 597 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 4: And then I started thinking to myself, God, I'm glad 598 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 4: that those guys can do that, but I could never 599 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 4: picture myself doing that, you know. So it's a very 600 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 4: it's very ironic, you know. I I I watched it 601 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 4: for the first couple of seasons, and then you get 602 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 4: busy in business and doing whatever, and then you kind 603 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 4: of lose track of it, and then you kind of 604 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 4: come back, you know, here and there. But yeah, I 605 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 4: did watch a bit of it, you know. And she 606 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 4: never did, you know, And she's never been she's never 607 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 4: been a TV watcher, you know, and for that matter, 608 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 4: neither was I. That was that was one of the 609 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 4: one things that I could go down stairs in the 610 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 4: theater room and sit and just like you know, kind 611 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 4: of just like let the world go away for for 612 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 4: an hour. 613 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: Or watch the show of the train. 614 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 4: Exactly. But uh, you know, Angie was never I mean, 615 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 4: she knew of it, you know, like, honey, you got 616 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 4: to check this out, you know, And and uh, you know, 617 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 4: she was never she's never been a TV watcher. She's 618 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 4: she likes to be on the phone with her family 619 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 4: or sisters, you know. Or brothers and friends and stuff 620 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 4: like that. So she's own person than a TV person. 621 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: So how did you guys get asked to be on 622 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: the show or how did that happen? 623 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, so season one when they started casting for season one, 624 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 4: I mean we were referred by Heather Gay who was 625 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 4: on the show. And when they called us, they didn't 626 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 4: tell us what it was for. They presented it more 627 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 4: like a successful women women in business stuff like that, 628 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 4: and so you know, we did an interview and we 629 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 4: were like on our best behavior talking about our culture 630 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 4: and leadership and stuff like that. So you know, I 631 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 4: think we missed the mark, you know, in terms of 632 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 4: what we were interviewing for. And it wasn't until season 633 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 4: two they wanted to interview us again and we realized that, okay, 634 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 4: this is what this was. So Angie went ahead and 635 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 4: interviewed season two, and I think it was it was 636 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 4: season two that she made a few appearances. You know 637 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 4: that some of the friends, like Lisa and Heather, I 638 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 4: don't know, there were there were some things that they 639 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 4: had invited her to or and and us too. 640 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: And then season came on as a friend as a fact. 641 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 4: You know, it wasn't official friend but you know, we 642 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 4: were invited to these events right that they were for 643 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 4: the show during filming, and then season three, she was 644 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 4: invited to do a friend of. 645 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: So tell us about your conversation before you started filming, 646 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: like did you guys contemplated and did you guys agree 647 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: or or is it just like this is cool, let's 648 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: do it. 649 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,479 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I told Angie, you know, it's just like, hey, look, 650 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 4: this is up to you. I'm going to support whatever 651 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 4: you want to do. And we did have that conversation 652 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 4: in terms of like, Okay, we've got a solid marriage, 653 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 4: we've got great businesses, we've got a great family, you know, 654 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 4: and and I do remember having this conversation. It's like, yeah, 655 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 4: but you know that doesn't mean people can't lie, you know. 656 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 4: And so but but I said, look, I'm too old 657 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 4: to care about what people think, you know. I mean, 658 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 4: I'm just going to be authentically myself. And I know 659 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 4: that's Angie. She she doesn't put on a show for anybody. 660 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 4: She just she just does her So, you know, with 661 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 4: that agreement of authenticity, and it's like, if we're going 662 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 4: to go into this, we've got to know, you know, 663 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 4: you know what you're getting into right, So so you 664 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 4: know we were I was on board. You know, she 665 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 4: wanted to do it, so let's do it. 666 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 3: And how did you deal so that first year you 667 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 3: I was reading up that you had to deal with obviously, 668 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 3: you know, people are always going to talk crap, right, yeah, 669 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 3: And it's funny. I don't know why good looking people 670 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 3: are always called gay, right, you were they were telling 671 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 3: you that. I guess there was that rumor that you 672 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 3: were gay in Fidality during that first season, which I've 673 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 3: heard the same thing about Eddie. Obviously, it's in common 674 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 3: good looking people, right, people. 675 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,439 Speaker 4: Are people like hey, I appreciate that. 676 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 3: People like to hate on that stuff. But how did 677 00:35:59,320 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 3: you deal with it? 678 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 4: You know I was I was not, you know, offended 679 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 4: like like Eddie. I'm not sure how how you handled it, 680 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 4: but I know for me, I didn't take it as 681 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 4: what I took offense to was the cheating aspect of it, 682 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 4: you know, you know, knowing that I've got a twelve 683 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 4: year old daughter at the time, you know, all these 684 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 4: things start going through your head. So I cared less about, 685 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 4: you know, the gay rumor, because you know, being a hairdresser, 686 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 4: you know we would have clients or whatever, ask oh, 687 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 4: who's that guy? Is he gay? And it's like, no, 688 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 4: he's married to Angie. She's you know, his his wife 689 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 4: and or girlfriend and she's working over there. And then 690 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 4: that was it, you know. So so you know, I 691 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 4: really didn't take offense to the gay thing. Our best 692 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 4: friends in the world are gay, you know, and and 693 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 4: I just see them as as as I see anybody else, 694 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 4: you know, And so that part didn't bother me, you know. 695 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 4: But when this thing came up, you know, and to 696 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 4: my point, people can always lie. I don't think, you know, 697 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 4: this was anything that any of these these people had heard. 698 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 4: This was something that was just thrown out there, made 699 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 4: up for a storyline. You know. It's like, show me 700 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 4: who it is, you know what I mean, And it's like, 701 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 4: who is it? You know, I'll pay him ten thousand 702 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 4: dollars if they can prove that I had cheated on 703 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 4: my wife with you yeah, you know, and so you know, 704 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,399 Speaker 4: it was just something that was just thrown out there 705 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 4: was I mean, it was low hanging fruit to get 706 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 4: it Angie and start this controversy and that sort of thing. 707 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 2: So my experience was very similar in that, you know, 708 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 2: I was in the fitness world all my life, teaching 709 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 2: classes when I always say this, one foot in, one 710 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 2: foot out, you know, building companies and then teaching classes, 711 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 2: spin classes more specifically. So here's a guy on the 712 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 2: stage on a bicycle with tights and you know, his 713 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 2: package hanging out and you know, the tank top and 714 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 2: all these women are gawking and all these men are gkying. 715 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: So many times are like, that guy's gay. I know 716 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: he's gay. 717 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 2: And of course I take care of myself. I you know, 718 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 2: brush my teeth. I watched my ears, and you know, 719 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 2: I just at the time it was the term was metrosexual, right, I. 720 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 3: Think it's a compliment. 721 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: I think so too. I definitely took it as a compliment. 722 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 2: And again I had a lot of gay friends. 723 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: In fact, I have had one really good friend. His 724 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: name was Eddie. 725 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 2: He was a hairdresser and a spin instructor, and he 726 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 2: would always have the girls after him. I'm like, dude, 727 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 2: too bad your gay man, because you would have. 728 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 3: So much ask. 729 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: Right, But it never bothered me. 730 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 2: And the funny thing is when one of the women 731 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 2: who try to be you know, maintain her relevancy on 732 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,720 Speaker 2: the show this to go after Tamra and she couldn't 733 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 2: you know, offend Tamra or or or come after her 734 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 2: because Tamra is just real. 735 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: She decided to lie and create this fake story. 736 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, I learned, you know, 737 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 2: that's part of this, that's part of being on a 738 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 2: reality TV show, and it's open season for for anything 739 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 2: that you know can be said about you. 740 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. You know when when Angie 741 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 4: you know, mentioned this to me, you know, I just 742 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 4: I immediately started thinking about my daughter. You know, it's like, 743 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,800 Speaker 4: you know, she's she's twelve years old. She's going to 744 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 4: be hearing this shit at school now, you know. And 745 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 4: here's the look there's heis and lows to this world. 746 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 4: You know. I think the low part for me is 747 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 4: once somebody says something like that, like it's there, like 748 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 4: it's you know what I mean is they don't put 749 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 4: it out there and it just doesn't seem to go away, 750 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 4: you know. And so but the cool part is, like, 751 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,439 Speaker 4: you know, my daughter is so grounded, she is hey, 752 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,919 Speaker 4: you know, and I really took the opportunity to say, hey, 753 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 4: look this is this is what so and so said 754 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 4: about me. She just started laughing, you know, what I mean, 755 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 4: it's like, you know, I'm not a guy that rolls 756 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 4: with anybody. I don't go hang out with the boys, 757 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,399 Speaker 4: you know on Friday nights. I mean, I'm with those 758 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,439 Speaker 4: guys twenty four to seven. So you know that. And 759 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 4: I love that because there was she thought about it. 760 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 4: It's like, Dad, that is funny. Don't worry about it. 761 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 4: You know, it's like, Okay, got that off my chest. 762 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 4: That is out in the open with my daughter, and 763 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 4: we can move forward. And we're still able to move 764 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,760 Speaker 4: forward even though it continues to be mentioned and things 765 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 4: like that. 766 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 3: When they get to that age, right, like their friends 767 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 3: start talking to them about it because it's headline right 768 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 3: right right, they're twelve, thirteen, sixteen years old, all of 769 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 3: a sudden, it's hey, is this really happening? You know, 770 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 3: her friends start, you know, it's a it's a tough situation. 771 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 3: And I think that's the tough part about being in 772 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 3: that public eye is when shit hits the fan, your 773 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 3: kids are in the middle of it, especially nowadays with 774 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 3: social media, especially if they're in that age. Yeah, you know, 775 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,439 Speaker 3: twelve to sixteen years old. 776 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's hard to. 777 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 3: You know, try to protect them. From that because they 778 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 3: do they go on on the internet and it's just hard. 779 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 4: Well, they become collateral damage, right yeah. Right. The good 780 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 4: part is is, you know, Electra goes to a great school. 781 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 4: It's a private school, very diverse, and you know, I 782 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 4: for the first couple of weeks, does anyone say anything 783 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 4: to you? They're like, no, Dad, they don't. They don't 784 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 4: say a word, you know, So I was like, okay, good. 785 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: You know, has she filmed? 786 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. 787 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: How does she feel about it? 788 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 4: You know, when it started out, she didn't really want 789 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 4: anything to do with it, you know, but but now 790 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 4: that she's kind of getting older, she low key thinks 791 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 4: it's cool. So she's open to it and she does it, 792 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 4: and you know, she does a great job. 793 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 794 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 795 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I think overall it's a pretty cool experience 796 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 2: to be on TV a reality show, because you've got 797 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,399 Speaker 2: to have some thick skin and be very confident about 798 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 2: yourself to get through it, because it's such a toxic 799 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 2: environment at times that you wonder how do people get 800 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 2: through this well? 801 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 4: And you know, I'm glad you mentioned that because you know, 802 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,240 Speaker 4: as you go through some of these controversies, and things 803 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 4: like that. You know, really what I look at is 804 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 4: the lesson that I can take from it. And you know, 805 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 4: I'm now watching myself, you know, kind of navigate some 806 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 4: of this stuff, and it's just like, you know, there 807 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 4: are times where I'm like, God, I probably could have 808 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 4: handled that differently. You know, I probably could have come 809 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 4: off less aggressive, you know, And it's like you guys, 810 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 4: know you're entrepreneurs, Like we've we had to fucking fight 811 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 4: for everything we have, you know, so it's like to 812 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 4: become this fighter and sometimes this this fighter has to 813 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 4: be aggressive and and you know, when you come from 814 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 4: a you know, we've we've got a very healthy family dynamic, 815 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,320 Speaker 4: we've got a great culture in our work. 816 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:31,879 Speaker 3: And. 817 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 4: You know, it was a real juxtaposition to be put 818 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 4: in some of these situations. But you know, now, I 819 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 4: just really try to learn my lesson along the way. 820 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 4: And it's like, you know, I could have I could 821 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 4: have done that different and I could have done it 822 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 4: a lot smarter and got the same point across. So 823 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 4: so that's my challenge to myself now is is when 824 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 4: I'm put on the spot, how do I handle it? 825 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 4: How can I be smarter about it? And how can 826 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,879 Speaker 4: I you know, leave those situations with dignity and and 827 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 4: still make my wife and my family proud and you 828 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 4: know all that stuff. 829 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 3: What's the best part that's come out of Housewives for you? 830 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 4: You know, as you guys know, they're they're they're interesting 831 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 4: perks that come along with it. You know, a lot 832 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 4: of it is the notoriety piece, you know, getting invited 833 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:40,720 Speaker 4: to certain things and being able to expose Electra to 834 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 4: to certain things that you wouldn't have otherwise. You know 835 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 4: it really, you know, we've been in business for so long, 836 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 4: you know, and I think a lot of people get 837 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 4: on the show, they open a business and they try 838 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 4: to sell a product or or whatever, and you know, 839 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 4: the the cool part is like this is something that 840 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 4: we didn't need right to and and there's beauty in 841 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,400 Speaker 4: that because you know, we've been working so hard at 842 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 4: what we do and we continue to work on a 843 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 4: daily but you know, our salons were at you know, 844 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 4: eighty five ninety percent capacity, So it's not like we're 845 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 4: getting this huge rush of business because of it, you know, 846 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 4: but you know, it's it's fun to be able to 847 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 4: go to New York with Angie and me and Electra 848 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 4: Rock walk around Rockefeller Plaza while she's doing her thing, 849 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 4: and you know, so stuff like that is is definitely 850 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 4: that's that's a highlight for sure. 851 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, what are are some of the bad experiences you've 852 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 2: had on the show? 853 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,800 Speaker 4: Because of the show, I would say, you know, the 854 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:58,240 Speaker 4: hardest part for me to navigate is is online troll 855 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 4: type stuff. You know. Again, I don't care. Somebody can 856 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,920 Speaker 4: go on and say whatever they want about me, but 857 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 4: when they start like messaging my daughter, that is like 858 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 4: what are you guys doing? You know what I mean? 859 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 4: It's like how deep is that basement that you live in? 860 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,719 Speaker 4: You know? And it's just like you know, you got 861 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 4: I mean, it's just it's hard when it involves your kid. Yeah, 862 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 4: and so you know what, we go through things with 863 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,239 Speaker 4: her and we tell her like, look, you know, you're 864 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 4: you're becomming a household name. And I always I always 865 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 4: put it to her like this. It's like, you know, 866 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 4: movie stars are stars, like they're big stars, but you 867 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 4: know they come out with a movie maybe once a 868 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 4: year or once every other year. You know, you happen 869 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 4: to be in somebody's living room every week, which creates 870 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 4: a different dynamic, right, And so while most of the 871 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 4: people that are are sending messages to us or extremely 872 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 4: positive and so grateful for that. It's just the one 873 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,440 Speaker 4: off stuff that's kind of hard to to navigate and 874 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 4: sift through because there's really no you can't have a 875 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 4: conversation with these people. You know, they've made a choice 876 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 4: like you're my enemy, I don't like you, and that's 877 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 4: just what it is, you know. So so that that 878 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 4: that's the end, I would say that would be the 879 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 4: worst part of it. 880 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,480 Speaker 2: I agree with you, because in my experience, it's just 881 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 2: been slowly leaking into that social media world where you know, 882 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 2: we're we're we're professionals here under the Bravo umbrella and 883 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 2: we're producing a show and it's edited to its maximum 884 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 2: ability to get maximum return you know, on their on 885 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,840 Speaker 2: their work, right, And if it stays under that umbrella, 886 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 2: it's cool. You know, this is a job, this. 887 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: Is what we're doing. 888 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 2: But when it spills over into social media and you 889 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 2: got these idiots on the other side trying to the 890 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 2: fame you or or make you look like an asshole 891 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 2: outside of the Bravo umbrella, that's what gets me upset. 892 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,919 Speaker 1: It's like, keep it under, keep it under. 893 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:09,279 Speaker 3: The show. 894 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 1: We're here being professionals. This is a job. 895 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 2: We don't need to take this outside into social media 896 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 2: and try to create a story or or derogatory fame that, 897 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,120 Speaker 2: you know, because you're mad at us because of the 898 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,319 Speaker 2: way the show was edited, right, Like, keep it under 899 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 2: the Bravo umbrella and call it a day. This does 900 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:28,359 Speaker 2: not need to go outside of that. 901 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, unfortunately it does. You know, I've only been on 902 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,440 Speaker 4: social media for two years, and just over two years, 903 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 4: and you know, I got on social media because you know, 904 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,839 Speaker 4: and she's like, you know, you probably should do this 905 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 4: and whatever, so I did, and and you know, it 906 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,280 Speaker 4: is it's just it's just one of those low hanging 907 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 4: things that people can creep into and try to create chaos. 908 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 4: But you know, it's just like block them and hide 909 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,440 Speaker 4: the comment and move on. You know, it's just another lesson. 910 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 4: And and I try to use these examples for Electra. 911 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,360 Speaker 4: It's like, this isn't just going to happen here. You know, 912 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 4: you're you're about to start high school and it may 913 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 4: happen with you know, classmates and stuff like that, and 914 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,880 Speaker 4: this is how you deal with it. You know, you 915 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,320 Speaker 4: just got to keep moving forward, don't question yourself. 916 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,359 Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad you talked about that, because that's 917 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 2: one thing that is I think important, is to keep 918 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,560 Speaker 2: your kids educated and abreast of the experience and how 919 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 2: to take it, because you know, as a kid, you're 920 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,319 Speaker 2: so easily influenced and so easily distracted, especially when there's 921 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,480 Speaker 2: something on TV and you know you believe it. 922 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:47,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's see what else I think we 923 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:48,040 Speaker 5: covered that. 924 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,720 Speaker 2: Oh, let me ask you this. Do you get along 925 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,880 Speaker 2: with the majority of the men on the show or 926 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 2: do you talk to them or are they just work friends? 927 00:49:59,280 --> 00:49:59,759 Speaker 1: If you will? 928 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I get along with all of them, 929 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 4: you know, I mean Angie and Meredith and I guess 930 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 4: Meredith and I have some some controversy hanging. You know, 931 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,680 Speaker 4: it's happening. We're in the middle of it. You know. 932 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,440 Speaker 4: I get along with her husband's Steth fine when we're together. 933 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,919 Speaker 4: You know, I think generally speaking, he's a great guy. 934 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,000 Speaker 4: The other guys that get along really well with I 935 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,799 Speaker 4: do spend more time with, like Justin and I and 936 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:32,880 Speaker 4: I recently started spending more time with Todd Bronwin's husband 937 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,320 Speaker 4: outside of filming, and I really really love and appreciate 938 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 4: those guys. You know, they're they're smart. Justine just a 939 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,840 Speaker 4: good old boy, you know, and and so is Todd. 940 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 4: And Todd is Todd's a very smart guy. He's done 941 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 4: a lot of great things in his life. And you know, 942 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,920 Speaker 4: I just I like to spend time with guys that 943 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,319 Speaker 4: I can learn from. And you know, on that note, 944 00:50:54,320 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 4: it's funny because you know, I've got mentors, and you know, 945 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 4: you guys are are I look at you guys as 946 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 4: mentors from you know, not only business, but you know, 947 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,960 Speaker 4: from from watching you guys on the show and and 948 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,520 Speaker 4: all that stuff. It's like, but all my mentors are 949 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,239 Speaker 4: named ed I have Outside of you guys, I've got 950 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,880 Speaker 4: a couple ads that are mentors too. So it's I 951 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 4: like to spend time with guys that I can learn from. 952 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, by the way, is this the first time that 953 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,240 Speaker 3: you find yourself in the drama? 954 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 4: Well, you know, there was with the gay rumors last year. 955 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 4: That's kind of when it started and it's kind of 956 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,440 Speaker 4: carried through to to this season up to this point. 957 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,880 Speaker 3: So yeah, so are you like talking a lot this season? 958 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 4: I'm talking more than usual. They they they've pulled me 959 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,279 Speaker 4: in and they've got me engaged a little bit more 960 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 4: for sure. 961 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's interesting when they get you more engaged, 962 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,440 Speaker 3: they still don't pay you, right, No, it's not like, hey, 963 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,160 Speaker 3: you're going to talk a lot more this season, but 964 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 3: you know what, we're not going to pay your exactly, 965 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,719 Speaker 3: No love, no love, Eddy. Are you getting paid for 966 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:06,760 Speaker 3: the drama of the season? 967 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 1: No, No, I got and I got roped into it too. 968 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,560 Speaker 3: There should be a clause for the men that if 969 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,280 Speaker 3: you get roped into the drama, they should hey. 970 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why I always wondered if the New 971 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,040 Speaker 2: Jersey guys are getting paid because they are all into 972 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,839 Speaker 2: it and they're great at it and they have great 973 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,200 Speaker 2: dynamics on TV. 974 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,399 Speaker 1: But I wonder like, how did they do it? How 975 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:30,280 Speaker 1: do they feel comfortable? 976 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 2: Because I don't feel comfortable being on TV and not 977 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,360 Speaker 2: getting paid, you know, or if we're even doing anything, 978 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,440 Speaker 2: you know, I'm getting exploited. I'm getting you know, thrown 979 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 2: on this show and it just doesn't make any sense. 980 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 1: And the women get paid. So it's a job. 981 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,280 Speaker 2: And from what I've seen and witness from with my wife, 982 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,640 Speaker 2: she's doing her job and she's getting paid for it. 983 00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,160 Speaker 2: But why why aren't we getting paid. 984 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,239 Speaker 3: I have rarely seen any of the husbands when they 985 00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 3: get in the drama come out looking good. 986 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,760 Speaker 1: Rarely it's it's. 987 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,360 Speaker 3: I don't know if one comes to mind, but typically 988 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:07,600 Speaker 3: it's it's not a good thing. 989 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,120 Speaker 4: Well, you know, for me, it's it's I guess I'm 990 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,120 Speaker 4: blessed in the way that you know, the stuff that 991 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,279 Speaker 4: that I guess I'm I'm engaged with. 992 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:16,759 Speaker 5: Uh. 993 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,440 Speaker 4: You know, production has done just i mean such a 994 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 4: great job of of uh getting me through it, you know, 995 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,919 Speaker 4: without without anything too crazy. So and I'm still new 996 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,480 Speaker 4: you know that can Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna know how here. 997 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,719 Speaker 1: The same thing happened to me, Brether and it's just 998 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:38,720 Speaker 1: a matter of time. 999 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:40,480 Speaker 4: I'm sure. 1000 00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, in a really good day and ask you to 1001 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,480 Speaker 2: do an interview or something and you'll be you know, 1002 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,280 Speaker 2: thear minded happy, everything's great, and then it happens. 1003 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, be careful out there, crossed. 1004 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:57,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1005 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,400 Speaker 2: I have one rule and I've i I think I've 1006 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,960 Speaker 2: shared it with almost every guy house husband that has 1007 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,520 Speaker 2: come to me for advice, and like, just don't get involved, 1008 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,279 Speaker 2: you know, I this the sooner you learn to not 1009 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,360 Speaker 2: get part of the drama, this sooner you'll be like, Okay, 1010 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,959 Speaker 2: it's it's less stress, but it's hard. 1011 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,120 Speaker 1: They'll catch you. This year, they. 1012 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 2: They caught me, you know, in a situation where I 1013 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,800 Speaker 2: didn't want to be in and I ended up participating 1014 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,240 Speaker 2: and getting into an argument with one of the guys. 1015 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,680 Speaker 2: But you know, it's a long story and the long 1016 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,760 Speaker 2: history behind it, and I had to get involved. 1017 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,080 Speaker 1: But I didn't like it. I didn't. It's not this 1018 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: is a. 1019 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,560 Speaker 4: Housewipe show right right right. 1020 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:45,040 Speaker 2: So anyways, in closing, would you do this show again 1021 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,799 Speaker 2: if you didn't have this experience? 1022 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,960 Speaker 4: You know, I you know, I just go back to 1023 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,640 Speaker 4: you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna support Angie. I'm gonna 1024 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,680 Speaker 4: be that guy that you know through through the heights 1025 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,440 Speaker 4: and law, I'm gonna continue to support. I love your advice, 1026 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,279 Speaker 4: and and like I said earlier, it's just like I'm 1027 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,120 Speaker 4: gonna be a little bit more aware in terms of like, 1028 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:16,200 Speaker 4: if I'm pulled into anything, I've got to really you 1029 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:24,480 Speaker 4: know't have that awareness to respond smart appropriate. And you know, 1030 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,800 Speaker 4: like like you said, they can they can do whatever 1031 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,520 Speaker 4: they want with the footage and make it look whatever. 1032 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,560 Speaker 4: But you know, as long as I know that I've 1033 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:38,319 Speaker 4: handled myself appropriately. I you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna 1034 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,319 Speaker 4: be okay with it, I think, you know, And like 1035 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,279 Speaker 4: you said, that's that's a beauty of age, is like 1036 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,759 Speaker 4: you know, you just you kind of care less and 1037 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,720 Speaker 4: less about what people think. And you know, finally, you know, finally, 1038 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,160 Speaker 4: I was a late bloomer in life in general. And 1039 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,520 Speaker 4: you know that's that's what I love about, you know, 1040 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,480 Speaker 4: experience and age and stuff like that. Is just a 1041 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,839 Speaker 4: simple fact that you know, I'm okay with somebody now 1042 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 4: liking me these days. You know, I got to live 1043 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,600 Speaker 4: with myself. I got to wake up with me. 1044 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:16,440 Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, that's super helpful to be on this show, Sean. 1045 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,000 Speaker 3: One of the things I love about you, by the way, 1046 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,600 Speaker 3: as we close, I love your humility. You know, you've 1047 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,799 Speaker 3: been very You've been very obviously you've been successful, I 1048 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,240 Speaker 3: think in all areas of your life, not just obviously 1049 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:32,480 Speaker 3: the family, the business, uh, you know, fitness, and just uh, 1050 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,279 Speaker 3: the humility that you have. It's the first thing that 1051 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 3: draw me to you when we first spoke, uh saying, 1052 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,000 Speaker 3: he was like, man, this is a guy that I 1053 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,520 Speaker 3: could hang with. Yeah, it's because you've had incredible success 1054 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 3: yet you're still humble, and it seems like you're still 1055 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,040 Speaker 3: that guy in the ranch that well, you know. 1056 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,480 Speaker 4: You know, I appreciate that, and I think that's what 1057 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,360 Speaker 4: dream me to you guys as well, is just the 1058 00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,440 Speaker 4: grounded uh, you know, the ground at presence there. You know, 1059 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,160 Speaker 4: we're not we're not trying to impress each other. You know, 1060 00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,719 Speaker 4: we're just who we are and and we're doing what 1061 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,000 Speaker 4: we do and and not trying to show anybody anything 1062 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 4: that we're not. And you know, for me, I'm always 1063 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:20,040 Speaker 4: drawn to authenticity and and you know, I can sniff 1064 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,800 Speaker 4: out the alternative really quick. And I think, you know, 1065 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,120 Speaker 4: it's it's really cool to be able to develop those 1066 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,600 Speaker 4: six senses and uh and just navigate life based on 1067 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:35,360 Speaker 4: your gut and you know, those senses so that age, 1068 00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,120 Speaker 4: it does, it does. 1069 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite quotes from Humility is you're 1070 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,080 Speaker 3: either humble or you're about to be. 1071 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:47,520 Speaker 1: That's a good one. 1072 00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,160 Speaker 4: Somebody will serve you some humble pie one time or another. 1073 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,200 Speaker 2: Right, yes, yes, so last question and and then we'll 1074 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,360 Speaker 2: let you go. But what was what has been the 1075 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,920 Speaker 2: best experience overall on the Housewives show for you guys? 1076 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,080 Speaker 4: You know, I think the best thing that has come 1077 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,360 Speaker 4: along with being on this show is you know, and 1078 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:17,520 Speaker 4: you know, I've been forced to communicate more so, you know, 1079 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,800 Speaker 4: we we we've always communicated, but you know, when you're 1080 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,840 Speaker 4: in business together, it's like, you know, you kind of 1081 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,080 Speaker 4: pick up on cues and you're able to kind of 1082 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,040 Speaker 4: see that stuff and address it. And you know, with 1083 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,960 Speaker 4: the show, you know, we've been able to really communicate 1084 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:39,919 Speaker 4: more direct and like when she comes out of an 1085 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,920 Speaker 4: uncomfortable situation, I can now go and say, look, I 1086 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,640 Speaker 4: don't know what that was or what you're dealing with. 1087 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,440 Speaker 4: Do you want to tell me about it? You know? So, 1088 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,560 Speaker 4: so I would say communication is really increased since being 1089 00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,200 Speaker 4: on this show in a really good way. Yeah, And 1090 00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:01,680 Speaker 4: I think you know, we're really able to show support 1091 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:08,400 Speaker 4: from one another in a whole a whole different in 1092 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,520 Speaker 4: a whole different way. So I would say that's been 1093 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,160 Speaker 4: the most the most positive part of this. 1094 00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1095 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:23,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's communications on level ten and I 1096 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:28,800 Speaker 4: think that's you know, obviously, you know it's percent important 1097 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:34,120 Speaker 4: for anybody in a relationship, but but to be consistently 1098 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,440 Speaker 4: aware of it and to be consistently like concerned is 1099 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,800 Speaker 4: like how you're handling this, how you're doing it. You know, 1100 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,160 Speaker 4: same thing with Electra. You know, it's just it's really 1101 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:51,400 Speaker 4: forced communication to have uncomfortable conversations and and and really 1102 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,000 Speaker 4: have that transparency as like how you're feeling, what do 1103 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,240 Speaker 4: you think about this, you know, stuff like that. 1104 00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,760 Speaker 1: So that's awesome. Yeah, very positive. 1105 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,560 Speaker 4: I like that. Thank you, well, great show, guys. 1106 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Well thanks for coming on. Sean. 1107 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,200 Speaker 2: It's been really fun to talking to you. I mean, 1108 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,240 Speaker 2: I knew it was going to be fun because when 1109 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,640 Speaker 2: we met in San Francisco, it was just so easy 1110 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,480 Speaker 2: to sit down and have a conversation with you. We 1111 01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:19,560 Speaker 2: have so much in common, more than I imagine. So thank 1112 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,280 Speaker 2: you so much for coming on and and in the 1113 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:29,240 Speaker 2: background here and uh and we will we wish you 1114 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,439 Speaker 2: the best man, keep being successful, keeping who you are. 1115 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,520 Speaker 2: You doing great, and you know, don't let this thing 1116 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,439 Speaker 2: bring you down with. 1117 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:42,840 Speaker 4: You guys, Sean, Mike, Sean, take care of care. 1118 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:43,040 Speaker 2: Been