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Speaker 1: with you for another episode of the Giant Hubtle Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest is Giants All time great Super Bowl Champion

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Speaker 1: me see if I can brush off the get the

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Speaker 1: rust off here. All right, now, it's time to get

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Speaker 1: fierce with former Giants middle linebacker and Super Bowl champion

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Speaker 1: and current Arizona State defensive coordinator Antonio Pierce. Hey, not

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Speaker 1: too bad. What's up, ape Man? Blast from the past

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Speaker 1: years ago? We was doing that. Maybe that was a

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Speaker 1: long time ago, and anybody that remembers that much. Credit

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I'm very envious you're in Arizona. I

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Speaker 1: you right now, bro? Yeah, yeah, you know, and one

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Speaker 1: thing I learned, you don't shovel sunshine, right, I'm saying, man,

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Speaker 1: you enjoy it. And uh, I'm blessed to be on

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Speaker 1: the West for coach Edwards an issue, so great opportunity

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Speaker 1: for me. Yeah. And congratulations by the way, recently named

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Speaker 1: soule defensive coordinator. You did with Marvin Lewis last year.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on that. I appreciate it. I mean, listen, I

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Speaker 1: we will work together side by side and putting together

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Speaker 1: defense and trying to help these young men, you know,

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Speaker 1: reach their goals and dreams. All right, Super fifty five

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Speaker 1: coming up this weekend in Tampa. It's coming with the

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Speaker 1: Giants reunion on the defensive side of the ball and

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff of the Chiefs. Your guy Spags, your

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Speaker 1: guy Dave Merritt, your guys, Sam Madison, what are your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on seeing those guys get another run of Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: I'm jealous, man, I'm jealous they get to get out

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Speaker 1: to Tom again in uh there in the Super Bowl again.

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Speaker 1: You know, we should have been back to back champions,

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Speaker 1: but that's here nor there. But just proud of those guys,

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Speaker 1: especially Spad. You know, uh left us in No. Eight

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Speaker 1: coach and rams didn't work out for him. Came back

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Speaker 1: the Giants that was gonna work out didn't. And now

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Speaker 1: to see him have success with the Chiefs along with

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Speaker 1: defensively and look, I'm watching the game. They're gonna blade,

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Speaker 1: They're goes sold, there goes tango. I can name out

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Speaker 1: the blitz is I mean, like line me up and

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Speaker 1: and you know when it's right, you know, it's like

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Speaker 1: when you're reading the right book. And for me, as

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Speaker 1: I watched these guys play this year, is very impressive

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Speaker 1: to see they maintained the level of mental and emotional

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Speaker 1: toughness through this COVID year for dealing with they've dealt with,

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Speaker 1: you know, having zoom meetings, not being in practice, not

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Speaker 1: solid foundation together with the UNI. What makes special as

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Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, he you know what, he's patient, he's calm.

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Speaker 1: I used to call him mad scientists when he ran

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Speaker 1: But to me, what makes some special is that he

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Speaker 1: relates to the players. He listens so well. So many

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Speaker 1: times as a coordinator, you have all the answers, and

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Speaker 1: there was so many times I would go to Spags

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Speaker 1: the boys on Thursday night, We're talking that ain't gonna work.

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Speaker 1: You know, they have their bell cows of guys where

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Speaker 1: He's a very calm presence and it's very welcome. And

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Speaker 1: what is it about his defense that requires a certain

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Speaker 1: to make his defense works? Is a mic linebacker? Okay,

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Speaker 1: He's a sharp, micy linebacker that kind of gets it, um,

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Speaker 1: delivery the information that they're given throughout the week of

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Speaker 1: the players. You can see the communication. I mean the

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Speaker 1: if you had that guy, um, and which he does

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Speaker 1: the guys he wanted. Absolutely. How about Sam Madison? Are

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Speaker 1: didn't really feel that the games will be all I

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Speaker 1: felt until that confetti came down, man, because with a

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Speaker 1: team like that, again, not to say we didn't believe

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Speaker 1: what we knew. He was up against you know, a

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Speaker 1: lot of odds and against us. And when jay Orford

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Speaker 1: sacked him on second inten you felt a little bit

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Speaker 1: more comfortable in the starting twenty. And they still threw

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Speaker 1: the ball six yards and it was poured down. It

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Speaker 1: was like, all right, come on, man, they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: do it again. They did again. And if you thought

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Speaker 1: the game is over, there like damn, we ana go

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Speaker 1: out there. We gotta take a knee or don't mess

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Speaker 1: up the kneed there. You're watching like, are we gonna

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Speaker 1: get the snap down? Like you know the Patriots to

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Speaker 1: do something where they get to sit there and knock

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Speaker 1: it over. So you didn't know that game was over

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Speaker 1: and felt comfortable to We got in that locker room, man,

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Speaker 1: and you just saw everybody's face and it was you know,

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Speaker 1: it's something I'll never forget. And and I could sit

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Speaker 1: here and look at you today and really visually remember

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Speaker 1: seeing everybody's facing the locker room and just a smile

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Speaker 1: to joy and just the emotions that overwhelmed us in

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Speaker 1: that locker room after the game. As a middle linebacker,

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Speaker 1: put that helmet back on with the little green dot.

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Speaker 1: How is your preparation and approach different if you're facing

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Speaker 1: Brady versus Mahomes? And are you happy you never had

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Speaker 1: to face pat Mahomes by the way, Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: but I watched a lot of them. You know. It's

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Speaker 1: it's you got a cage rush him. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to give him the micro vic treatment. Um, I'll give him,

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Speaker 1: you know, Aaron Rodgers treatment or let's say don Big

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Speaker 1: mcmatt treatment where you better keep him in the pocket

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Speaker 1: when he gets out of the pocket. Is dangerous because

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Speaker 1: they have to speed at wide receiver to get vertical

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Speaker 1: or run away from your leverage. So he's a guy

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Speaker 1: that I would really stress on telling our d n s,

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Speaker 1: hey man, keep that dude inside the tackle box, you know,

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Speaker 1: allow him to step up. We can rally to that.

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Speaker 1: But when he gets outside, I'm in a damn situation

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Speaker 1: because when I go get him or do I stay

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Speaker 1: with my receiver. So that's how we would attack him,

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Speaker 1: which is different Brady, because he was you know, he

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Speaker 1: was a treat. He's gonna be at five seven yards

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Speaker 1: and that was it was gonna move. All right. Let

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Speaker 1: me ask you one thing about kind of these offenses

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Speaker 1: that are popping up in the League's I like a

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Speaker 1: lot of these offensive principles a p starting college and

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Speaker 1: they get brought into the NFL through college. So what

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Speaker 1: are some of the things you're seeing now in your

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Speaker 1: experience of the college d C that you think could

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Speaker 1: be coming into the NFL. And and as a defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: all the rules are made to make your life as

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Speaker 1: difficult as possible. How are you dealing with all these

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Speaker 1: millions of fast guys just running around with all this

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Speaker 1: space that you guys have to cover. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: think we're seeing it, and not just with the little

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Speaker 1: mar Jackson's in the world, but the r P O system, right.

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Speaker 1: You saw with green base, your Patrick Holmes, not so

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Speaker 1: much time Brady. There's no run thread there and everybody

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Speaker 1: else has this RPOs run past option and it's very difficult.

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Speaker 1: And on top of that, they have designed runs for

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, you know, and that's coming to Lee. You're

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Speaker 1: seeing that with a lot of different quarterbacks. You know,

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Speaker 1: swar Baker Mayfield, you know, he had a design run

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Speaker 1: you know, where he's getting the sideline for a first down.

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Speaker 1: And it's like never before. With the NFL risks, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're a hundred million dollar guy to run the ball,

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Speaker 1: and now they're doing it. What I see now in college,

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Speaker 1: there's not a lot of pure quarterbacks and can sit

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Speaker 1: there and just pick you apart and go through progression.

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Speaker 1: They got one to read, it's one to run. That's

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Speaker 1: what we can tell our guys one too, and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna run, all right, you take those away. They're gonna runs.

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Speaker 1: And you've seen that in college and seeing that in

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Speaker 1: the pros as well. And and if the quarterback player

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Speaker 1: doesn't you know, pick up. Are these guys don't become

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Speaker 1: better passers? I think you'll see more and more of

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Speaker 1: these design quarterback runs, not like Lamar Jackson, let's say,

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Speaker 1: but what you see with Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: and a lot of vertical stuff, right, I mean I

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Speaker 1: see a lot of quarters coverage in college. Now. Is

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Speaker 1: that something that you think, you know, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: because we we had to cover too craze back with

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Speaker 1: the Bears back in the day with Peno Tillman. Then

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Speaker 1: you have the Seahawks with their cover three stuff. Are

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Speaker 1: we gonna see quarters now? You think kind of kind

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Speaker 1: of move to the NFL here to prevent some of

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Speaker 1: these big boys. I would say so, because you know

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Speaker 1: that guy's he's he's a half man in the run game,

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Speaker 1: right they said at ten or twelve yards, and they're

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Speaker 1: really the second level defender for the quarterback. Okay, because

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Speaker 1: of the run pass option and that quarterback escapes, you

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Speaker 1: know he decides to run, that guy's gonna come out

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Speaker 1: of you know, his court is coverage and pulled the

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Speaker 1: quarterback up. Now it's gonna be some leaky yardists there.

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Speaker 1: And you see the rams, the rams were a big

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Speaker 1: team that played quarters and are cover six. You say

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Speaker 1: cloud on one side, quarters to another. But I do

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Speaker 1: see that, you know, even for us here, you know

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Speaker 1: we were covering free team here last yeday issue and

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Speaker 1: it worked. Man that run a quarterback to the problem.

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Speaker 1: And you don't actually half field safety to come out

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Speaker 1: of half field the side of the quarterback, but you

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Speaker 1: actual quarters safety to do it. You want actual post

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Speaker 1: say to do it, but you actual quarters safety to

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Speaker 1: do it. So um, I do think that's kind of

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Speaker 1: the trend you'll see. And I think also that's why

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Speaker 1: the NFL is hiring a lot of these college coaches.

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Speaker 1: And are we just gonna see this continuous flow of

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Speaker 1: five ten, five eleven guys that run four four four

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Speaker 1: and wide receiver. I looked at the Senior Bowl. There's

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Speaker 1: just a bunch of five ten fast guys that nobody

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Speaker 1: can cover. Is this basically what we're gonna see coming

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Speaker 1: out of college for the most part the next few years.

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Speaker 1: Diamond doesn't it's easy to recruit that guy. You know,

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Speaker 1: before we got a kid here than Johnny Wilson that's

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Speaker 1: very similar to Plaxico, and we love him. I mean

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Speaker 1: that he looks like Mike Gavans, be honest, more because

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Speaker 1: he's light skinning. He's a big jim. He's about two

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Speaker 1: d forty pounds and why we see but you know

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Speaker 1: we we we want those big bodies because most corners

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Speaker 1: that we go up against our five team and under.

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Speaker 1: But I will tell you this, it's easy for me

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Speaker 1: to go recruit a five ten wide receiver that's pretty fast. Right.

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Speaker 1: The only thing I'll say, we're gonna play those boys

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Speaker 1: in that CEC world and they got the long corners

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Speaker 1: that are going in the first second round and they running.

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Speaker 1: That's a problem. Problem. By the way, your guy Darby

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Speaker 1: didn't real nice job at the Senior Rold. By the

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Speaker 1: way you're trying to go for three. I hope he

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Speaker 1: can get in the first round, but I think more

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Speaker 1: important he'll get drafted and somebody's gonna get a really

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Speaker 1: hard working wide receiver. Hell, he's built like a linebacker.

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Speaker 1: I would took a hard beat. All right, So how

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Speaker 1: about you a pay your DC. Now, how has this

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Speaker 1: process been for you? You went from broadcasting to the

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Speaker 1: high school coach, now you're college d C. What has

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Speaker 1: this process been like for you? What have what have

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Speaker 1: you learned about coaching. Did you ever think you'd want

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Speaker 1: to put it all the time? I'm sure you have

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Speaker 1: to with the recruiting and the film work and all

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Speaker 1: this stuff. Just what has it been like. It's been interesting.

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Speaker 1: I never thought of many years I'll be coaching college. Um,

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Speaker 1: obviously the opportunity came. I was there in seventeen with

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Speaker 1: the Giants that didn't work out. Coach a Word's gotta

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Speaker 1: at the head coaching job and called me right away.

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Speaker 1: Actually were playing the Raiders when he called. And I'm

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Speaker 1: happy with what I've done it because at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, you want to help change people lives.

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Speaker 1: I love to win the Super Bowl and do things

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Speaker 1: of that nature and wholest Lombardi, But man, seeing an

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Speaker 1: eighteen year old or twenty one year live about their

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Speaker 1: dreams and playing the NFL or smell it or get

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Speaker 1: a taste or a touch of the NFL, to me,

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Speaker 1: it's an ultimate goal because, uh, you're one in a million, right,

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Speaker 1: It's one of the hardest things to do, and then

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Speaker 1: to maintain it and to see the joy in everybody's

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Speaker 1: face because, as most players say when they make it,

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Speaker 1: they took care of their family at least they set

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Speaker 1: their family up and if they use their platforms correctly.

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Speaker 1: And I think we're giving them the guidance here because

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Speaker 1: of our professional background. Um, you know, we're setting these

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Speaker 1: guys up for success because we're telling them what to

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Speaker 1: expect when they get there, right when they get with

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Speaker 1: the Giants and get drafted. Darney Holmes Hell I called

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Speaker 1: Jesse Arnstad. Hey, man, y'all got a draft Darney. I

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Speaker 1: had Darney when he was twelve thirteen years old and

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Speaker 1: he was a study for me as a freshman. So

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Speaker 1: I said, listen, this is a guy I don't know

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Speaker 1: where the draft. Interesting. So based on what you said,

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Speaker 1: you're open, like keep coaching, college head coach, college head coach, pros.

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Speaker 1: What is what's the Antonio Pierce goal here moving forward

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Speaker 1: for you? An Tonio Pierce head coach? Of that's it?

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Speaker 1: You don't care? I like it? Well, hopefully we'll get

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Speaker 1: to see in that role pretty soon. A p Congratulations,

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Speaker 1: great stuff today. We really appreciate a man, Uh stay

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Speaker 1: safe out there. Okay, I appreciate that's former Giants middle

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Speaker 1: linebacker and Super Bowl champion. Not to mention current Arizona

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Speaker 1: State defensive coordinator Antonio Pierce. We thank him for joining

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Speaker 1: us on today's episode of the Giants Little Podcast. Great

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Speaker 1: reminiscing with a p If you guys remember that joke

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Speaker 1: at the beginning. We did our Fierce with Pierce video

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Speaker 1: show on Giants dot Com back in the day weekly

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Speaker 1: for a few years and then used a really good dude,

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Speaker 1: such a smart football guy, and I have no doubt

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Speaker 1: that he will be an excellent head coach at some point,

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Speaker 1: either at collegiate level or in the NFL very very soon.

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Speaker 1: Giant fans want to remind you that the Giant Subtle

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmilk. Thank you for joining us for

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Speaker 1: today's episode of the Giant Subtle Podcast. Enjoy the super

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