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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars with.

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Speaker 4: The third pick in the twenty twenty four NFL Draft,

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Speaker 4: the New England Patriots select Drake May, quarterback North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Hello everybody. How are we feeling? New quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Just had Drake mayin studio a few minutes ago to

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Speaker 3: uh do an interview for Patriots Unfiltered that will air

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Speaker 3: later tonight. But we're excited around here, Alex. Is a

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Speaker 3: pretty exciting day, and we just had Drake May out

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Speaker 3: on the field and held up the jersey with the

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Speaker 3: crafts and did the whole opening presentation, if you will.

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Speaker 3: But we're gonna talk a little Drake May here today.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about the first round. We'll spend the

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Speaker 3: first portion of the show doing that, and then we'll

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Speaker 3: get into best Available for day two. But we want

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Speaker 3: to have the show have a little bit of shelf life,

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Speaker 3: because sure we're gonna give all these takes about day

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Speaker 3: two and then five hours from now, it's it's all

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Speaker 3: gonna go up and smoke and.

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Speaker 1: Some of it, some of it the drink may stuff

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Speaker 1: will blend into Day two discussion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so Evan Lazar Alex Barth with you for

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Speaker 3: we're on day two now and you can call in

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Speaker 3: at eight five to five PATS five hundred and email

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Speaker 3: in at web radio at Patriots dot com. We got

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Speaker 3: the phones back, which is fun, So just give us

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Speaker 3: But before we get into your victory lap Barth of

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Speaker 3: me long. Michael Pennick, although.

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Speaker 1: It's more than just Michael Pennock was a big part

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Speaker 3: I did go back and in our mocks on the

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Speaker 3: show that we did. I got more picks right than

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Speaker 3: you in the time ten So so don't victory lap

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Speaker 3: too hard because.

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Speaker 1: You had know you would a great I'm victory lapping

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Speaker 1: on the general over the top draft consensus that I

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Speaker 1: thought got out of hint you would a good night

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Speaker 1: last you you were Pennix Q before right there with

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Speaker 1: I was you out of maybe a little lower roll.

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Speaker 1: It's about patting ourselves on the bets. That's absolutely what

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Speaker 1: it is. That's the whole thing that it is. It's

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Speaker 1: the day after the draft today, in Monday, in Sunday

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Speaker 1: is just Victory Lap day. Absolute.

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Speaker 3: It is the one, the one thing I'll say about

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Speaker 3: the Patriots and drake me off the top, and then,

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Speaker 3: like I said, we can talk about the first round

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Speaker 3: as a whole as well. I think the biggest thing

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Speaker 3: that stood out to me was Elliott Wolf basically coming

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Speaker 3: out and calling fake news to every single report out

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Speaker 3: there that the Patriots. I think you what he call

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Speaker 3: if Trey Down was that big of a consideration for them.

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Speaker 3: May told us last night, I don't know if this

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Speaker 1: No, he said it. I think about the call. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he said this to us last night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The call was thirty seconds after the Patriots were

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Speaker 3: I think that's what tells you not only was the

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Speaker 1: More evidence we were right about JJ McCarthy and.

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Speaker 3: The bottom line is the Patriots got their guy.

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Speaker 3: The one thing that I think we're both in agreement

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Speaker 3: biggest thing is is that this is just starting. This

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Speaker 3: hard part. Elliot Wolf said it himself. It was kind

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Speaker 3: of easy to sit there at three and take Drake May.

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Speaker 3: All of us could have done that. Marine could have

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Speaker 3: hard part, because it's about individual development for him, and

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Speaker 3: we know he needs work in certain areas, as every

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Speaker 3: maybe even more importantly, it's about building the roster around

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Speaker 3: And we can go on and on and on and

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Speaker 3: debate about who the chicken to the egg with mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: So this is how I've put it that mac Jones

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Speaker 1: the next three years going the exact same way the

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Speaker 1: gonna do? And it feels like we've just gotten done

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Speaker 1: with this monumental with this monumental process. No no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no, we just got done with steph one. The

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Speaker 1: process is just beginning. Getting the guy in the building

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Speaker 1: But that's only half the battle. Now you've got to

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Speaker 1: I broke it down to three key pillars.

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Speaker 1: One, you got to maintain talent on the roster around him, maintain,

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Speaker 1: not just add, maintain. Two, you need continuity on the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff. If Drake May is a success, And maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm getting to ahead of myself here, but this is

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Speaker 1: kind of how you have to think. If Drake May

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Speaker 1: is a success, Alex van Pelt's going to be a

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Speaker 1: McDaniels in three Whatever the plan is for Drake May

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Speaker 1: in terms of is he going to start right away,

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Speaker 1: what that all comes down to is consistency and continuity.

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Speaker 1: There needs to be consistency and continuity surrounding Drake May.

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Speaker 1: That's the most important thing for him at this point.

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Speaker 1: And it takes a lot of different forms.

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Speaker 3: I know we're getting all of the questions on the emails,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But at the same time, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: there's this is the receiver talent in the third round

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Speaker 3: See I disagree. I think the tackle talent at this

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Speaker 1: So there's more wide receiver talent on the board right now,

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Speaker 1: When we get to pick sixty eight, will that's still

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Speaker 3: Jeremiah had Kingsley Sue mattiaz as like the one hundred

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Speaker 3: think Daniel jeremias as low as I've seen on a

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Speaker 3: But maybe the tackle, the tackle demand pushes all these

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Speaker 3: You know, the parade is going to go buy a tackle,

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Speaker 3: and maybe there's a little bit more depth of receiver

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Speaker 1: So that that's true. The one thing I'll push back

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Speaker 1: So, and we do this every year where there's one

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Speaker 3: We know what it is with Adie Mitchell, but do

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Speaker 3: we know the extent I think we know what it is.

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Speaker 1: We don't know to what extent it's a concern. Mood

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying as a fan, as an observer. When

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Speaker 3: I don't know why you're acting like it's like this

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Speaker 1: so that's my point. Are you taking him at thirty

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make me uncomfortable because I still think the

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Speaker 3: I think that there's been so much there's been so

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Speaker 3: Guys like him, frankly when he was a player and

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Speaker 3: established here and Drake May's looking great, and they're starting

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Speaker 3: That's one thing to have him be the second pick

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Speaker 3: much as I love Drake May, those are two boomer

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Speaker 3: bus prospects. Either we're gonna look back on this two

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Speaker 1: The other thing is I think you factor in two

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Speaker 1: How many times now is Elliot Wolf told us he

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Speaker 1: So if you have questions about that guy and you're

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Speaker 1: But right, but I'm saying if they do it again,

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Speaker 1: So if you're the Patriots, you'd be looking at And

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Speaker 1: I put this in my mid draft mock draft last night.

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Speaker 1: It's the only trade I did. I just want you

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Speaker 3: Thirty four for thirty nine and one oh one. So

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Speaker 1: But I'm getting cold feet. You can. You can. I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they will because of the reasons I

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Speaker 1: He's having fun, like he's having he I think he

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Speaker 3: He'll he'll find out eventually when they all turn on

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Speaker 1: He's a kid in a candy store. And some of

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Speaker 3: So I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that

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Speaker 3: I think he might be playing the one that's playing overseas.

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Speaker 3: still is shorter, I think than all of them. I

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Speaker 3: think he's the shortest out of all of them at

437
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Speaker 3: six foot four, which is telling you something as well.

438
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Speaker 3: Because dad played football at North Carolina as a quarterback

439
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Speaker 3: at North Carolina back in the day, played a little

440
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Speaker 3: bit in the Arena League, so there's a lot of

441
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Speaker 3: that's a family of athletes. I think that was a

442
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Speaker 3: factor as well. We're saying a lot of positive things

443
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Speaker 3: as we should about Drake May I think the big

444
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Speaker 3: thing though, as we move forward, and I asked him

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Speaker 3: about this on our interview with PU and he mentioned

446
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Speaker 3: Clyde Christensen who's down at North Carolina as a coaching assistant,

447
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 3: a quarterback mechanic guru. You know, one of those guys

448
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 3: like a Jordan Palmer, Quincy Avery, you know, one of

449
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,959
Speaker 3: those quarterback guys that's going to be the next steps

450
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Speaker 3: for him obviously, are going to be working on his footwork,

451
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 3: working on his drops, working on his timing, working on

452
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Speaker 3: his throwing motion, trying to tighten that up a little bit.

453
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Speaker 3: But I don't have any any real concerns about it

454
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Speaker 3: yet that because I don't think he's gonna start right away.

455
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Speaker 3: I do think they're gonna take I do think they're

456
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Speaker 3: gonna take their time with him. But that being said,

457
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Speaker 3: to get on that topic a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Real quick, one of our listeners tweeted something and I

459
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Speaker 1: just have to show you this. Oh God, what have

460
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Speaker 1: you seen this yet?

461
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Speaker 2: No?

462
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Speaker 1: You know the distracted boyfriend meme. Yes, it's you, Josh

463
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Speaker 1: Allen and Drake May.

464
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Speaker 3: Why is everybody so obsessed with me and Josh Allen.

465
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Speaker 1: Because you're obsessed with Josh Allen.

466
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Speaker 3: Well, I am not obsessed with Josh Allen. That's not true.

467
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Speaker 3: I said one thing to him in the tunnel and

468
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Speaker 3: at at an Orchard Park one time, like two years ago,

469
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Speaker 3: and I haven't been able to live in I just

470
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Speaker 3: showed you.

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Speaker 1: I just showed you a funny meme. You're the one

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Speaker 1: that's getting defensive.

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Speaker 3: I'm not getting defensive.

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Speaker 1: I just I just getting defensive.

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Speaker 3: I can't, for the life of me figure it out.

476
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Speaker 3: I can't. I love You're right, I love Josh Allen.

477
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Speaker 3: That's why I love Drake May because I think he

478
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Speaker 3: plays at little bit like Josh Allen. So now we

479
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Speaker 3: have our own Josh Allen. That's gonna be fun. I'm

480
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Speaker 3: looking forward to it. But getting back on topic to

481
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Speaker 3: the more important things here, uh the when he plays.

482
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Speaker 3: I actually think a lot of people, I think are

483
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Speaker 3: under the impression. And I understand the logic that if

484
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Speaker 3: the Patriots are struggling out of the gate, you know,

485
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Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett's one and five, he's ozho and four, they're

486
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Speaker 3: two and six, that the roars for Drake, you know,

487
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Speaker 3: the chatter for Drake May is going to become a roar.

488
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Speaker 3: And this, to me is going to be probably the

489
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Speaker 3: toughest thing that Gerard Mayo is going to have to

490
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Speaker 3: do as a young coach. Is not only managed the

491
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Speaker 3: outside noise, but I also manage the noise in the

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Speaker 3: locker room. Because if Drake May is tearing up practice

493
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Speaker 3: and they're losing games on Sundays with Jacoby Brissett, then

494
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Speaker 3: the players in the locker room are going to start

495
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Speaker 3: to think, why aren't we playing the best guy here?

496
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Speaker 3: But I actually feel as though if the Patriots have

497
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Speaker 3: some early success, it almost makes it more appealing to

498
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Speaker 3: expedite the timeline. If they're one in five, I don't

499
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Speaker 3: want to throw them out there on a one to

500
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Speaker 3: five football team and expect him to be the savior

501
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Speaker 3: and turn the whole thing around by himself. Now, if

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Speaker 3: they're hanging in there in games and they're three and

503
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Speaker 3: three and they're a little feisty.

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Speaker 1: Well they I wouldn't even go to the record, Like

505
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Speaker 1: if they're one and five but they're losing a bunch

506
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Speaker 1: of one score games because the offense isn't going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it looked like the last I guess I

508
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Speaker 3: just feel as though, let's not talk about the record.

509
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Speaker 3: It's more about the eye test of how the offense looks.

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Speaker 3: If all of a sudden, there's some pieces that are

511
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Speaker 3: starting to come together offensively, Like they draft a receiver

512
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Speaker 3: tonight and he's a hit, you know, they draft you know,

513
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Speaker 3: Lad mccaukeeye and he ends up being a good player,

514
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Speaker 3: Or they draft a left tackle tonight and he ends

515
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Speaker 3: up being a good player. Now, all of a sudden,

516
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Speaker 3: you got some protection, you got some guys for him

517
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Speaker 3: to throw the ball to. Regardless of the record or

518
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Speaker 3: how the offense is doing, I'd be more encouraged to

519
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Speaker 3: put him in there if the other pieces all of

520
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Speaker 3: a sudden have are look a little bit better. The

521
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Speaker 3: last thing I want to do is throw him in

522
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Speaker 3: there to the wo with everything a train wreck around him,

523
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Speaker 3: expecting him to come in and say and fix everything

524
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Speaker 3: by himself. I think Dad's doing him a disservice. I

525
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Speaker 3: agree with you though that you have to stick to

526
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Speaker 3: your guns. But I will say I hope they don't

527
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Speaker 3: make the decision of we're gonna sit him for the

528
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Speaker 3: whole year. We're not gonna sit him for the whole year.

529
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Speaker 3: Were gonna sit him for this amount of time until

530
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Speaker 3: we get all the way through training camp in the preseason.

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Speaker 1: So I agree with that. I wouldn't go fools gold

532
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Speaker 1: with the preseason though, like we gotta tempt our expectations

533
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Speaker 1: with the pre they'll know, they'll they'll know, but we right.

534
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Speaker 1: But it goes back to I think have a plant,

535
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Speaker 1: stick to it. Whatever the plan is, don't wishy washy

536
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Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, it's gonna be tough when they're one

537
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Speaker 1: and five and there's a lot of noise, But if

538
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Speaker 1: the plan is to sit them, you have to sit them,

539
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Speaker 1: and that's what they're signing up for here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's gonna be tough. I mean, we're gonna

541
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Speaker 3: talk about it on these shows. Your station's gonna talk

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Speaker 3: about it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I say that's all we're gonna do.

544
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be all. It's gonna be wall to wall.

545
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Speaker 3: When is a time? When is a time when don't

546
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Speaker 3: we going to Drake May? When don't we going to

547
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Speaker 3: Drake May? And I'm not blaming any and I say this,

548
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Speaker 3: it's going to be the.

549
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Speaker 1: Case the whole He needs two years. People get out

550
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Speaker 1: of here. Yeah, Like, if he's not starting week one

551
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, something's gone wrong. I'll say that he

552
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Speaker 1: will be.

553
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Speaker 3: But even if he's even if it's even if he's

554
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Speaker 3: not ready, he's going to be starting by week one

555
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's just the way I love to set

557
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Speaker 1: one way or the other. If he's not starting week

558
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Speaker 1: one twenty twenty five, something's gone wrong.

559
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Speaker 3: He's The Patriots are not Jordan loving Drake Man. No,

560
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Speaker 3: they they don't have a lot.

561
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Speaker 1: I was more talking about like a Trey Lance thing

562
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Speaker 1: where he just never gets on the field. Well no,

563
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying like that's what i'd beat, that's what

564
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Speaker 1: would come up. But I know I I wouldn't be

565
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Speaker 1: surprised if he starts some games this year. I wouldn't.

566
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Speaker 1: But I don't think it's coming right out the gate. Yeah,

567
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Speaker 1: the real question is who's the backup and what do

568
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Speaker 1: they do in terms of how much do they protect

569
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Speaker 1: him from going on the field, because if Jacoby Brisset

570
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Speaker 1: the look I like Jacoby Brissett. I think he's the

571
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Speaker 1: right guy for the situation. But the one thing about

572
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Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett, he gets hurt a lot. Yeah, And are

573
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Speaker 1: they gonna go to Bailey's Appy? Are they gonna go

574
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: Nathan Rourke and you know, make sure that Drake May

575
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Speaker 1: doesn't get exposed until they want him to get exposed

576
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Speaker 1: or is Drake May's timeline kind of dependent on Jacoby

577
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Speaker 1: Rssett staying healthy. That to me is gonna be the

578
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Speaker 1: real question, and it'll get really interesting when we get

579
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Speaker 1: to cut down date. Does Bailey Zappy make this team?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think that decide at the end of

581
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Speaker 3: the summer.

582
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got we got a long way to go

583
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Speaker 1: for that. But I think that's a discussion.

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Speaker 3: I understand not throwing him out there right away regardless

585
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Speaker 3: if you really feel that it's better for him to

586
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Speaker 3: hold a clipboard behind Jacoby for six weeks, eight weeks, whatever.

587
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 3: But I'm super high on the player I have been

588
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Speaker 3: before they even drafted him. So don't hit me with, oh,

589
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Speaker 3: you're changing your mind now because he's a Patriot.

590
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: No, we've been where, We've been this way.

591
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Speaker 3: This whole time.

592
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Speaker 1: Although you should hear my J. J. McCarthy.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that in a second. I think the

594
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Speaker 3: biggest thing is I think we're gonna go out there

595
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Speaker 3: in the spring, in the summer, and it's going to

596
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: be very, very obvious how talented this kid is to

597
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 3: everybody that's watching these practices in the preseason games too.

598
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: But we're gonna be watching training camp practice where he's

599
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: gonna have reps against the Patriots starting defense, which is

600
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Speaker 3: gonna be a top ten defense in the NFL, regardless

601
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: of how the offense plays, the defense is gonna be said,

602
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 3: and they're gonna be a good defense this year. And

603
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 3: if Drake May is out there and he's throwing bombs

604
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Speaker 3: and he's going toe to toe with the Patriots defense

605
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Speaker 3: in practice and he looks the part just like Mac

606
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Speaker 3: did in twenty twenty one when it was clear that

607
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: he was the better quarterback than Cam Newton and he

608
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 3: should start the year, that's when it gets interesting because

609
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Speaker 3: maybe he is ready faster than we think.

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Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. You gotta be careful with

611
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: the fools goal to the preseason because.

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about the games. Yeah, I'm talking about

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Speaker 3: the practices even here's it. But it's because it's not

614
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Speaker 3: just it's not just the throws themselves, right Like CJ

615
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: Stroud first game of the preseason here c throw threw

616
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Speaker 3: a pick to Jalen mills On like the second drop

617
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: back of his NFL career. In the preseason, it's more mental.

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00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: It's more about his mental grasp of the offense and

619
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Speaker 3: his ability to run Alex Van Pelt's system than it

620
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Speaker 3: is about is he going to be the more talented guy.

621
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Speaker 3: Of course, he's going to be the most talent.

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Speaker 1: Here's what you have to be cognizant of. Once he's

623
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Speaker 1: in there, he's in there, you cannot you cannot bench

624
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Speaker 1: him as a rookie. We saw the last two years

625
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: when you start screwing around the quarterbacks like that, yeah,

626
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: what happens. So you have to be sure when you

627
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Speaker 1: go to him that it's time because once you flip

628
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: that switch, there is no going back. There's no going back.

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Speaker 1: So that to me is what's monumentally important all this

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Speaker 1: the other thing that becomes sneaky important here, and we'll

631
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Speaker 1: get to this probably in about a month. Right, when's

632
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: the bye week? When's the Thursday night game? In that

633
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: mini bye Those are going to be factors too as

634
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Speaker 1: we start to talk about this, because let's say they

635
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: feel good about him coming out of camp, right, but

636
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Speaker 1: the bye week's like week five, Yeah, then it's all right,

637
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, we feel good, but we can buy we

638
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: have a little bit of time here, and we'll have

639
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: some extra time to get him in mac jones here.

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Speaker 1: I think the bye week was like week eleven, and

641
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: then they didn't play Thursday football till after.

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00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: It was after the indie Indie game, right all right

643
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: before after the Buffalo game, and then the indie game

644
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: was coming off right, that was.

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Speaker 1: Late, and then the Thursday night game was super late too,

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Speaker 1: I think it was. I think they went Thursday Night

647
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Speaker 1: then the Buffalo game than the bye Yeah, so ultimately

648
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: it didn't matter because they cut Cam out of camp.

649
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: But we're getting into real nerd stuff here, but this

650
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Speaker 1: is what we do. The bye week's now important. When's

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Speaker 1: the bye week?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's important, and I would also say that.

653
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 5: You have to.

654
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: I am more concerned about what happens again internally, if

655
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: it's very, very crystal clear to everybody that he's the

656
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: best quarterback on the roster, you're gonna have to show

657
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: some o gumption to keep him on the bench.

658
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: But that's why again, if the bye week's week five,

659
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 1: it becomes a little easier.

660
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

661
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: That that's why I'm saying that matters.

662
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: All right, before we open it up here, Uh, I'll

663
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: give you your your stage, I'll give you your platform,

664
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: uh to tell me that you were right and I

665
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: was wrong about Michael Pennick's half wrong. I was right.

666
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: I was gonna give you I was gonna say because

667
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: I want to say this.

668
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 3: I sat here and I argued with you semantically as

669
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: we do. Yeah, for probably an extra fifteen minutes that

670
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: we weren't. Neither one of us was going to budge.

671
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: And I told you that it was crazy that Michael

672
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: Pennix Junior was going to go in the top ten.

673
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: You told me I was wrong. He goes eight overall

674
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: to the Atlanta Falcons, which you love. For some reason.

675
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: I love that pick.

676
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: Nobody else in the world loves it.

677
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: Except is it my favorite pick? All right? Is it

678
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: the best pick?

679
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: You know who doesn't love that pick? Arthur Blank? He

680
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 3: looked pissed.

681
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: He looked pissed, Arthur Arthur Blank.

682
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: You know he just gave a blank check to Kirk

683
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: Cousins and now he's got an eighth overall quarterback. He's

684
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 3: got nothing to do.

685
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: So let me explain. Let me explain. Nice, thank you,

686
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: Let me let me talk about Penix, and then we'll

687
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: talk about the pick itself, what I where I feel,

688
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: and I want to give like you never bought the

689
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: JJ maharthy McCarthy. I you saw through the injuries on

690
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: Michael Penox. You were one of the few people who

691
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: did that. I want you to get credit for that

692
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: as well. The real victory lap here for me, the

693
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: whole trade down for a quarterback. Oh, you can get

694
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: Penis at a life, But we were talking about Penis

695
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: at thirty four.

696
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: I know I did a mock draft early on in

697
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: the process where I had them taking like all he went.

698
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: Eighth, and he went eighth. When teams like quarterbacks, they go.

699
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: Teams don't wait on quarterbacks.

700
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: You have to admit that part of the reason why

701
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: you love the pick is because you were you were

702
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: right about that he was going to go. No, I

703
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: actually got the pick for Atlanta. Makes zero sound here. No,

704
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: I'm going to justify it. I'm going to justify in

705
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 3: a couple of ways. One and this was my whole

706
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: take throughout the process for the Patriots. What was I

707
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: screaming above all else? If you like the quarterback, you

708
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: take the quarterback. They did that. The Patriots did that.

709
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: They liked the quarterback, and.

710
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: So did the Falcons. There is nothing more valuable in

711
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: this league, Evan than a good quarterback. The Falcons saw

712
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: a good quarterback on the board and they took him.

713
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: I refuse to call that a bad pick. Is it

714
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: the best pick they could have made? No, but they

715
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: drafted a good quarterback. Since kicking team for drafting good

716
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: quarterback as it specifically relates to the Falcons, I think

717
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: we'd be looking at this a lot differently if Kirk

718
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: Cousins was in year two of a five year deal

719
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: instead of year one of a four year deal. Yes,

720
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: did they rub him the wrong way? Probably, But you

721
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: have a thirty six year old coming off a torn achilles.

722
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: He's not exactly a sure thing. Worst case scenario, Kirk

723
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: Cousins balls out and now you have a seamless transition

724
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: to the next guy, because we've all learned here in

725
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: New England how important it is to have a seamless

726
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: transition to the next guy.

727
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and not gonna have Cat Rogers Jordan Love situation.

728
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: Right on their hands or Cousins isn't all its cut,

729
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: it's it you know, we think he's gonna be and

730
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: you have somebody else they're ready to go. I think

731
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: some of this is people over selling Cousins. I think

732
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: some of the people under selling Pennics. And look, he's

733
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: twenty four, he's old for a prospect.

734
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: It's more just about the contract.

735
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: He's twenty four, gets that he's twenty four, he's old

736
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,239
Speaker 1: for a prospect. He's not an old man. I mean

737
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna be twenty five, twenty six and he takes

738
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: over that. So on the contract. Yes, it's heavily guaranteed.

739
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: It's a lot of money. Most of that money's in

740
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: the first two years. Do we really think Kirk Cousins

741
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: is gonna play out all four years of that contract

742
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: and played till heast forty Do any of these contracts

743
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: get played to their finish. No, look at what just

744
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: happened with the Broncos and Russell Wilson and all the

745
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: money they ate.

746
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: You were right, your guy went, you were right. I'm

747
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: the you don't the pick was the pick was a

748
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: little weird.

749
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: It's it's weird, but it's not bad. I understand it.

750
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: I like it. It's not the best pick they could

751
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: have made. I think Roma Dunes it would have made

752
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: more sense. It's probably what I would have identified was

753
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: in their shoes. Yeah, but I will never It is

754
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: so hard in this league to get a good quarter

755
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: After all we just went through is Patriots fans evan

756
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: a team drafted a good quarterback and we're going to

757
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: criticize them for it. And you know, worst worst case

758
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: scenario Kirk comes is nasty. Maybe Michael Pennix goes out there,

759
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: lights it up in the preseason and you trade them.

760
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: Oh, now you're trading them, Well, how is this Is

761
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: it that different? He drafted him eighth. Overall, you're not

762
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 3: going to get anything better back than that.

763
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: Patriots didn't get back their investment for Jimmy Garoppolo. Yeah,

764
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: it's similar, it's similar. No, they ripped the Niners off

765
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: because Jimmy Garoppolo wasn't good, but they didn't. Yeah, yeah,

766
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: they had gotten more from him beginning of the ease.

767
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: Maybe you trade him. The other thing is how much

768
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: money did the Seahawks give Matt Flynn? Oh my god,

769
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: how much money did the Seahawks?

770
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 3: Mat went way better than Matt Flynn.

771
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: He's thirty six, he's coming off in Achilles. Are you

772
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: sure he was already sure?

773
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 3: Never played a down of football better than Kirk Cousins

774
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: in his life.

775
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: That Week seventeen game got him paid.

776
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 3: No, that's ridiculous. I'm just saying, Kirk Cousins, is it?

777
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: Is it a weird pick? Is it an unusual pick? Yes,

778
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and say it's chock. I

779
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: didn't see it coming. I saw Panics in the top ten,

780
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: just not to Atlanta. But I don't think it's a

781
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: bad pick. I don't. I don't think it's a bad pick.

782
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 3: I know it's funny. I saw what I did love

783
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: about what happened with the quarterbacks, and it's not it's

784
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: not about patting ourselves in the back. It's not about

785
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: victory laps. Everyone's going, oh, I haven't so arrogant, you know,

786
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: putting pat himself on the back. It's not about that,

787
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 3: you know what it's about. It's about so many people

788
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: that that told me made me feel like I was

789
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: freaking taking crazy pills because of JJ McCarthy and that

790
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy. People had JJ McCarthy and play to the

791
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: Commanders at two to the Patriots at three, and we

792
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: all kept.

793
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: See we find out the commanders like didn't. Oh no,

794
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: it was between McCarthy and Daniels, I think is what

795
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: came out. And all all I.

796
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 3: Kept saying was that if I was the Minnesota Vikings,

797
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: I would just call everybody's bluff.

798
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: I call it in Harbaugh. Harbaugh's gushing over this guy. Well,

799
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: according to Tom, Harbaugh didn't have a great raft either.

800
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 3: According to Tom Kern, the Patriots offered the third overall

801
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: pick to the Chargers for Justin Herbert, and Harbor could

802
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: have taken it, and he could have taken the greatest

803
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: quarterback in Michigan history, JJ McCarthy and taking his boy.

804
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: And he didn't do it either. So JJ McCarthy was

805
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: QB five. He was QB five on tape. He was

806
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: QB five. The whole process and all of you people,

807
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 3: not everybody, but a lot of people try to convince

808
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: me that in try to convince you that you didn't

809
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: know what you were talking about, Alex, that you were

810
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: bad at this, that you didn't understand quarterbacks, that you

811
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: didn't know what you're talking about. JJ McCarthy's gonna be

812
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 3: the best pro quarterback now with all that you know, obviously,

813
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 3: like you know, tooting my own horn a little.

814
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: Bit, today's victory laugh, they do it.

815
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: All of that said, the one thing I will tell

816
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: Patriots fans be prepared for JJ McCarthy to have a

817
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: better rookie season. I'll say, be prepared for JJ McCarthy

818
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: to have the Mac Jones twenty twenty one rookie season.

819
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: He has better weapons, he has an offensive play callers

820
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: that's really good at this, and Kevin O'Connell as the

821
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: head coach in Minnesota. He has justin freaking Jefferson to

822
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: throw the ball to. He's got a pretty solid floor

823
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: that he probably will start really soon. He's probably the

824
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: best quarterback. He's better than Sam Darnold already. I would

825
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 3: say most likely he's gonna start in Minnesota and they're

826
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: gonna be frisky they're gonna be a decent team, and

827
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: I don't It reminds me really a lot a lot

828
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: in theory yeap of Trevor Lawrence versus mac Jones after

829
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 3: their rookie seasons, where Trevor looked rough because of what

830
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: was going on around to him at Jacksonville. Hopefully the

831
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 3: Patriots situation is a lot better than the Urban Meyer situation,

832
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: but the supporting cast might not be better. It might

833
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: be on the same playing field as Jacksonville's. So be

834
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: prepared for JJ McCarthy to win nine or ten games

835
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: as a game manager in Minnesota, basically doing a glorified

836
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,479
Speaker 3: version of what he did at Michigan, and them winning

837
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: nine or ten games, and people are gonna say that

838
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: we were wrong and that the Patriot should have taken McCarthy,

839
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: not recognizing that he went to the perfect situation for

840
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 3: his skill set.

841
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: No, so I said the whole time, JJ McCarthy was

842
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: going to be a product of his environment, and that's

843
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: why I didn't love him here. Minnesota is the best

844
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: place from mc gone. He's probably gonna be pretty good

845
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: there until you know, Justin Jefferson gets hurt again or

846
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison leaves or whatever, but he went to the

847
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: right spot. And credit to the Vikings, they did a

848
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: good job being patient. I would say, if we were

849
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: ranking the best fits between team and quarterback, that's the

850
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: top of the list easily. Yeah, I would go. I'd

851
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: go McCarthy Vikings one, Pennix Falcons two, Williams Bears three, Patriots,

852
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: May four, and then way at the bottom of the

853
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: list is the Broncos and Bonis. Oh yeah, dude, the Broncos.

854
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: So we always so the Broncos and Bonick. Sorry to

855
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: cut you off.

856
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not gonna throw this out there to laugh

857
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 3: at it because it's I think it's funny.

858
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

859
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: How long does it take Sean Payton to compare him

860
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 3: to Drew Brees?

861
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: Has he not done it yet?

862
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: Because in theory, in theory, there are some similarities to

863
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: the skill sets, right like not saying he's gonna be

864
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: as good as Drew Brees, who once held the passing

865
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: record in the NFL. Not saying that. But I am

866
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 3: not surprised that Sean Payton likes bo Nicks because he's

867
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: a from the pocket on time at at the first

868
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 3: two levels good in the quick game. A lot of

869
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: these things I'm saying or are kind of describing Drew Brees.

870
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's not Drew Brees.

871
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: Of course he's not. But that's that's the point. That's

872
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: the coach, right, the coach is taking him that I

873
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 3: think thinking worst case scenarios. He's you know, he's a

874
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 3: store brand Drew Brees.

875
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I don't. But then why trade for

876
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: But could they say the same thing about Zach Wilson.

877
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: I feel like the Broncos don't have a planet quarterback.

878
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: I feel like they're kind of let's get as many

879
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: guys in this room and hopefully one of them works

880
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: out and they use the twelfth overall pick to do it.

881
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: It's just wild.

882
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: So last thing about the quarterbacks. This is something I

883
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 3: mentioned on our show last night, and I think that

884
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 3: this was a driving force of why we saw six

885
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 3: quarterbacks go in the top twelve just record, right, record.

886
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: I think six quarterbacks in the top twelve picks, which

887
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: is an obscene Yeah, but the quarterbacks go. So I

888
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: think that the biggest reason, or one of the biggest

889
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 3: driving forces of all of this is the twenty twenty

890
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: five quarterback class.

891
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: That Tom Fournelli had a great tweet last night, he goes,

892
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: you gotta take bow Nicks twelfth overall when the whole

893
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: draft next year is full of bon Nicks.

894
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: I think the league just told you that the draft

895
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: next year quarterback stinks and they know it.

896
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: Who's been telling you that for a long and they

897
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: know it.

898
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: And if you don't take one the next year, if

899
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: you put Michael Pennix, if you put JJ McCarthy, if

900
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 3: you put boon Nicks in next year's quarterback class, there

901
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 3: could be one in the class.

902
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't know about Nix and McCarthy, but yeah, the

903
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: rest of them.

904
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 3: Just because of how good the quarterbacks this year are.

905
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 3: You have to stack it this year, twenty twenty three class,

906
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: how do they stack up, twenty twenty five class? How

907
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: do they stack up? Because you know that's how you

908
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 3: should be doing it right.

909
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: And that's, by the way, another part of the reason

910
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: I think the Falcons took Pennix.

911
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 3: What if it's tough next year.

912
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: What if Couzin ankle isn't right and now next now

913
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: you're two years out. Yeah, because you're not gonna get

914
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: the guy next year holding the bag. They took care

915
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: of themselves ahead of time. As a lot of these

916
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: teams did. That's why I'm surprised. I'm kind of surprised

917
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: the Giants didn't take McCarthy or Penix. I'm I'm kind

918
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: of surprised that ankle quarterback. It's a rough it's a

919
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: rough class next year. And yeah, there's probably gonna be

920
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: one guy that emerges as the Jaden Daniels.

921
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: But that's one guy.

922
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: One guy. I think I think Sho will be a

923
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: top five thing. Shador is probably the guy, and then

924
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: maybe you get maybe like one other guy like you

925
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: we cam Ward. Somebody is gonna surprise us and they'll

926
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: be I don't think it'll be quite as bad as

927
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: the twenty two class here, No, it'll be I think

928
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: it'll be like last year minus Anthony Richardson.

929
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: You think it would be that good.

930
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: I didn't think last year's class was that good.

931
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 3: I mean, c J.

932
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: Stroud is a dog, yeah, but he wasn't. I'm talking

933
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: about in the lead up, like c J. Shroud seated

934
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: expectations right, there were questions about.

935
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: I just think him and Bryce Younger are near the

936
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 3: top of a quarterback class.

937
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: I don't think so, not Bryce, you don't think so

938
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: so small, he's tight. He is small, but I mean

939
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: Kyler was small. I think it'll be small. I think

940
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: it'll be somewhere between twenty two and twenty three. I

941
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: think it'll be better than twenty two, but I don't

942
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: think it'll be as good as twenty three.

943
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: That's fair. I just think that the league looked at

944
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: it and at least what we know now and all

945
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: we can do is operate with the information we have

946
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: at this present moment. What we know of now that

947
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: quarterback class, it looks rough on papers, and I think

948
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: a lot of these teams said we we can't do it.

949
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 3: A lot of people called into the show, and there's

950
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: there's logic to it of the Patriot should trade down

951
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 3: and they should punt on quarterback. They should use all

952
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 3: their assets to build up the roster and then take

953
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: the quarterback next year. How many times did we hear

954
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: that over the last six months. Yep, And the league

955
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: was not doing it. No one was wait until twenty

956
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: twenty five for the quarterbacks, no one.

957
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 5: So it was.

958
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: It was a fascinating night. I did get the first

959
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: six picks correct in our top ten mock draft. I

960
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 3: see you have the Chargers taking all, Yeah, that's the

961
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. I thought herr Maybe I gave Horrbor

962
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: too much credit. How do you feel about them playing

963
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: at the right tackle. I feel like that's a waste.

964
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: Move down.

965
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: Take Fluongo, who's an elite right tackle, and get more assets.

966
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: He's stealing what should be a great career from Joe

967
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: Alt away from us. I knows if he can play

968
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: right tackle.

969
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: I know, I'm not concerned about him flipping sides because

970
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 3: he's so talented. I think he'll be able to do it.

971
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: I think that the thing that surprises me a little

972
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 3: bit is that he's a finesse tackle like I love

973
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: Joel and I know when you call offensive lineman finesse,

974
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: some people take that the wrong way. But he's a ballerina,

975
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 3: like he's a socket.

976
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 1: He's not a no and so he's not truent Brown.

977
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: I thought there was a lot of buzz about jac Latham, yeah,

978
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: and the Chargers because that's a Jim Harbor tackle. Well,

979
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: same with But as it turns out, he went seven

980
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: overall to the Titans. So if you didn't take him

981
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: at five, you were getting jac.

982
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: La Well or could they have moved swapped five and seven,

983
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: because I think the Titans won at all. That was

984
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: all the reporting out of Tennessee was Titans went at all.

985
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: I I'm surprised the Chargers didn't move down.

986
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: I thought they were gonna move down and take j C.

987
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 3: Laith them. That seemed to be what the where the

988
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 3: winds were blowing like they were just Harball wants to

989
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 3: run the ball. He wants to be a road grader.

990
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: He wants to do those types of things. Yeah, with

991
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 3: Rashaan Slater and Joe All, you have to elite past

992
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 3: protecting tackles. That's Rashaan Slater is the same way.

993
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's very onn Horball, Like, I'm very confused

994
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: by it.

995
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 3: Are they gonna throw the ball fifty times?

996
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: They might? They might, or they're just gonna run the

997
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: ball behind those guys because Harball is a lunatic.

998
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's that's silly, because again they're very talented players.

999
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's just not the way you can start

1000
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: play to your strengths, right, you want your players playing

1001
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: their strengths. It's not what that would be. Could we

1002
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: do a couple more first round thoughts? Yeah? Absolutely, on Yeah,

1003
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: sneaky fun pick love this one, brock Bowers to the Raiders.

1004
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: You have brock Bowers, Michael Mayer, Devonte Adams, Jacoby Myers.

1005
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: That's a huge offense.

1006
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and Mayor is definitely more of that. Like

1007
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 3: why prototype No, they're gonna run a ton of twelve.

1008
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: They're gonna run it. But my point is is, brock

1009
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: Bowers is like his own thing, right, brock Bowers really

1010
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: isn't He's a pass catcher. Yeah, and he can play

1011
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: out of the slot. He can play in condensed yeah,

1012
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 3: three by one, so like you can line up in

1013
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 3: the backfield, you can play him at receiver. So him

1014
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 3: and Mayer are actually a great compliment.

1015
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But and then just on top

1016
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: of that, so if you go out there with whoever

1017
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: your running back is, right, call it. Well, they're gonna do.

1018
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: Remember that thing we wanted them to do, the eleven

1019
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: and a half personnel. That's basically what they're doing, right.

1020
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: DeVante Adams. DeVante Adams is what like six three two,

1021
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen something like that. Jacoby's a big dude,

1022
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: like Jacoby's.

1023
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 3: He's longer than people think.

1024
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: A big guy. Obviously. Michael Mayer is huge and brock

1025
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: Bowers at tank he's six three two forty. Just personnel wise,

1026
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: how do you defend all of that, especially with this

1027
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: new thing with the hip drop tackles, Like if you're

1028
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: gonna be big enough to contend with that, yeah, you're

1029
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: gonna be very slow on defense.

1030
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that.

1031
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: Becomes a really interesting offen. They got to figure out

1032
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback, but that becomes very interesting. They don't have

1033
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: a quarterback, but other than that, they're very interesting offense.

1034
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: But you know what, if they can, if they can

1035
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: luck into a Bonix equivalent next year, or maybe they

1036
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: maybe it's Spencer Rattler. Maybe Spencer Ratler'd be very interesting there.

1037
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: Maybe they end up in the conversation for like Trevor

1038
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: Lawrence if he gets dealt.

1039
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 3: They also really like Aidan O'Connell for what they do.

1040
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's fine. You know what, Maybe he's the net

1041
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: neutral guy. Maybe that's what that is.

1042
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 3: B Nicks. Yeah, it's a couple of other thoughts on

1043
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 3: my end in.

1044
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: The first round, I got one more I gotta get

1045
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: to and I'm sure.

1046
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 3: You know, as we segue our way into Day two, thoughts, Yeah,

1047
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 3: the tackles when bye bye, they went Yeah, they flew

1048
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: off the board. I mean Amarus Mims went eighteen right,

1049
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: yea twenty five, which I think is fascinating because he

1050
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: goes to Green Bay at twenty five, which tells me

1051
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: that the Patriots probably had a pretty good grade on

1052
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 3: Jordan Morgan. Yeah, you know, just because of the connections there.

1053
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 3: The offense is super similar basically, you know, the Packers

1054
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: and I think even the Niners at thirty one might

1055
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: have been a Jordan Morgan team too if he was

1056
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: still on the board. His zone blocking skill is so

1057
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: out of this world good that even though he's gonna

1058
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 3: have short arms for a tackle, he's so good latterally

1059
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: out of his stance that those Shanahan teams are just

1060
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: gonna they they love him. They love him. H So

1061
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: you look at you know, Morgan goes, Geyton obviously goes

1062
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 3: at the end of the first round. Uh. This that

1063
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 3: drop off is legit. I think now to the n

1064
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 3: even I'm a big Kingsley guy. Uh. The thing that

1065
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 3: scares me now about Kingsley is that that's two raw

1066
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: developmental picks at the top of the draft in Drake

1067
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: May and Kingsley, where it's either a home run or

1068
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 3: you are, you're out of the league, and there's no

1069
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: with Adie Mitchell.

1070
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: Similar You just said you want him to take Kadie

1071
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: Mitchell because.

1072
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 3: I think he's a better player, all right, but it's similar,

1073
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: and that does scare me a little bit, which is

1074
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 3: why when we start to get into your trading for

1075
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 3: an Iuk or Deebo Samuel, that gives this draft hall

1076
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: if you want to concu them in the hall a

1077
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: little bit of a more solid floor.

1078
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: I want to get Syu can Dibo, but I have

1079
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: to do this first. Yeah, how dumb are the Buffalo bills?

1080
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: What are you doing you?

1081
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: We talked about this last night when I when I

1082
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 3: called you on our way home our annual post first phone. Yeah,

1083
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 3: and I did it before I got home, so that

1084
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 3: just didn't get mad at me for screaming at the

1085
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 3: apartment at two o'clock in the morning. But we talked

1086
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 3: about this.

1087
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: The bills have no money, the bills, I get. The

1088
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: bills have no money. Poor team, I get. The bills

1089
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: have no money.

1090
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: They're literally selling twenty five percent.

1091
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: That's not a small share to sell, No, it's not

1092
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: most owners only only fifty one percent. But of all

1093
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: the teams to trade with. The Chiefs have been your

1094
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: daddy for five years. They continually knock you out of

1095
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: the playoffs. They finally maybe got a little bit of

1096
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: a weakness, and you hand them a guy who has

1097
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: been compared to the best weapon they've had in the

1098
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes era. What are you doing? Trade with anybody else?

1099
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: Let anybody else get Xavier Worthy. You an AFC contender

1100
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: that needs a wide receiver, gifted your draft pick to

1101
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: the top AFC contender that also needs a wide receiver.

1102
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: And by the way, you mentioned poor team, right, they

1103
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: need affordable players. They didn't net any picks. They traded

1104
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: three picks for three picks, and then again they trade

1105
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: down again. They gave up on our receiver. Again, they

1106
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: net no picks unless they're gonna trade for Ayuk or

1107
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: Samuel We're gonna.

1108
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 3: Look dumb, apps, We're gonna look dumb in two hours

1109
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: when they trade. But I will say, but can they

1110
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 3: trade for it's cheaper to draft the second round pick,

1111
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 3: So yes, they're putting on but they're saving they have

1112
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 3: no money. But you couldn let does nobody get this?

1113
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: Why not move out right down from twenty eight to

1114
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: thirty three, get more picks which you need and not

1115
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: help the Kansas City Chiefs. That was always an option.

1116
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: I understand why they traded down. And on the Ayuk thing,

1117
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: can they afford to trade for him? Can they afford

1118
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: to pay them?

1119
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: Think they can?

1120
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: I understand they need to trade down because they couldn't

1121
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: afford a first round pick. But within that, why in

1122
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: the let's not forget when when Patrick Mahomes and rants

1123
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: almost over, when Patrick Mahomes and Xavier Worthy are destroying

1124
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: the NFL for the next five years, I want us

1125
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 1: to all remember who set that up? And not only

1126
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: did the Chiefs trade, did the Bills trade the Chiefs

1127
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: the pick for Xavier Worthy? Do you remember who traded

1128
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: the Chiefs the pick that they used to draft Patrick Mahomes?

1129
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: The Buffalo Bills. So congratulations, Brandon Bean has done a

1130
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: fantastic job building a championship roster. He just built in

1131
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: Kansas City instead of in Buffalo. I don't know if

1132
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean was GM in twenty seventeen, but you get

1133
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: the point that.

1134
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 3: Was that was a pretty good way to and then

1135
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: I'll give you that thank you.

1136
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 1: Was he unless he wasn't the GM, then.

1137
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 3: I mean who cares to go check. No, No, it

1138
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 3: might have it might have been wayy.

1139
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: No, it was his first year twenty seventeen, So congratulate.

1140
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: Nobody is more responsible for the success of the Kansas

1141
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: City Chiefs than Brandon Bean. I want I want that

1142
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: out there. I want that known.

1143
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: I would say this, and I look, everybody calls me

1144
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: a closet Bills fan because I.

1145
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: Like Josh Allen and I'm not anymore. You got your

1146
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: own Josh, exactly right.

1147
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. I'm not gonna tell I'm gonna tell anybody. Uh,

1148
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna disagree with you. Yeah,

1149
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 3: since they went on that heater in Buffalo where it

1150
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: was Josh Allen, it was Stefon Diggs. Uh, you know

1151
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 3: all some of the supporting cast members that they were

1152
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 3: able to draft and able to trade for, they were

1153
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: on a heater for like let's say, around COVID. You

1154
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: know twenty twenty twenty twenty one, Brandon Bean and Sean

1155
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: McDermott now are ice cold. They are ice cold, and

1156
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 3: that that team, I think what happens a lot of

1157
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 3: the time for starters, a lot of their roster aged

1158
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 3: out their rosters starting to age, sorry to get older. Secondly,

1159
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 3: they now all of a sudden have a little bit

1160
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 3: of margin for error because Josh Allen's Josh Allen. And

1161
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 3: now they now they probably feel like we have the

1162
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 3: MVB quarterback. It's his job to make this work offensively.

1163
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: But they're on a cold They're on a cold streak,

1164
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 3: no doubt about it. Like I didn't even really understand

1165
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 3: dal kinkaid last year. I wasn't the biggest kink guy.

1166
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 3: He was better than I expected. I was a Sam

1167
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 3: Laporter guy. But I I didn't really understand that pick either, Like,

1168
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 3: just draft a receiver if you want a receiver instead,

1169
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 3: he drafted the tight end. Yeah, it just makes no sense.

1170
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 3: Tight Ends in the first round are very hit or miss.

1171
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 3: It's one of the harder positions to draft in the

1172
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 3: first round. They drafted a basically receiver because Dalk doesn't block. Yeah,

1173
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: and they drafted this guy. I hated that pick.

1174
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: A bunch of slot receivers on the board, Josh downs

1175
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: on the board.

1176
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they they draft these guys and it doesn't

1177
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: work out. And yeah, it's it's been tough setting in

1178
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: Buffalo a little bit.

1179
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: It's not gonna gety better.

1180
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: Their their roster decisions have not.

1181
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: I cannot wait until Tony not Tony cheese. I cannot

1182
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: wait till Worthy goes.

1183
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 3: What's it going to be like?

1184
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: Six catches buck twenty five two scores against the Chiefs

1185
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: and the against the Bills in the divisional round. Oh,

1186
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: it's gonna beautiful. It's gonna be beautiful.

1187
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the phones and you can

1188
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: jump in now. Eight five to five, Pats five hundred

1189
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 3: is the phone number. Patty is an agu on. What's

1190
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 3: up Patty?

1191
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 5: Don't nice to talk to you guys again.

1192
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 3: It's great, isn't it. I'm so glad that the phones

1193
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 3: are back. What's up, Patty?

1194
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: So?

1195
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 5: What's going on?

1196
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 1: Guys?

1197
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 5: So I wonder I had to take on Ayuk and

1198
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 5: I had a question for you guys too.

1199
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, me, personally, I.

1200
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 5: Wouldn't mind Ayuk come in here. But I might be

1201
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 5: in the vast minority and saying this, but I would

1202
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 5: like to see them draft a receiver that they could

1203
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 5: pass develop a rapport with with Drake May and hopefully

1204
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 5: like right around the same time that they're both looking

1205
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 5: for extensions. They're both good enough or possibly even great

1206
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 5: enough to like get those second contracts. And I don't

1207
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 5: think they're gonna be that good next year, just regardless

1208
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 5: of how good both guys are, or just how regardless

1209
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 5: of how good May is, just because look at the

1210
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 5: schedule that they're playing. So we might end up picking

1211
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 5: in the top ten. We could have a Cincinnati situation

1212
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 5: where we get our Joe Burrow Rtie Higgins and we

1213
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 5: get our Jamar Chase next year. But that's my take

1214
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 5: on that. And word stands now because I think the

1215
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 5: rookie of the year is coming out of the first

1216
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 5: round good. What do you guys think is going to

1217
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 5: win the Rookie of the year, Just you know, throw

1218
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 5: it out there. I'm gonna throw out.

1219
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: Their JJ McCarthy, Yeah, what possible.

1220
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 5: You guys have discussed his situation and I'll take that

1221
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 5: off there. And it's great to talk to you guys.

1222
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 3: Get good talk to you, Patty. I hope everything as well. Yeah,

1223
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 3: I agree with him that JJ McCarthy's probably the betting face.

1224
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna be him, or it's gonna be him or Harrison. Yeah,

1225
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: because Harrison's gonna get and Kyler can. Kyler is awesome,

1226
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: and they throw the ball to like Harrison could catch

1227
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen passes and he could just have

1228
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: some I don't know how much it'll relate to winning,

1229
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: but he could have some video game numbers out there,

1230
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: ye kind of like, yeah, so I you could see that,

1231
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: and I think they'll be the narrative with is JJ

1232
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: McCarthy good or is it all justin Jefferson Jordan Aison

1233
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: things like that.

1234
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I really I love the idea of

1235
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 3: trading for Brandon Nyuk because I love the player. I

1236
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 3: mean that's the most important thing. I think that when

1237
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 3: you talk to the Patriots and Elliot, well, if you

1238
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 3: take him at face value. He mentioned last week when

1239
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 3: we talked to him in his pre draft press conference

1240
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: that they don't have that three by one x receiver

1241
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 3: that can be man coverage on the backside consistently. That's

1242
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 3: Brandon Nyuk. I mean he's one of the best man

1243
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: coverage beaters in the entire league. So not only does

1244
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 3: it make sense age twenty six years old, still gonna

1245
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 3: you know, you're gonna get him probably on a four

1246
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 3: year deal, five year deal. You're gonna ge him first prime.

1247
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: I notice all these guys are signing three year deals.

1248
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, they want to hit Cree agency twice. They yeah,

1249
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 3: they know they're gonna get that money twice.

1250
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: What's that thing? I wonder if to get the AAV down,

1251
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: if the Patriots came like a five year.

1252
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they would like to do that because

1253
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 3: Drake May signed him through the life of Drake.

1254
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: Mays Ricky contract exactly.

1255
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 3: Well, I Yuke want to do that as a different story,

1256
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 3: but you look at what they need. I think, although

1257
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 3: I don't want to get too caught up in you

1258
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: know X Z, you know whatever, because I think you

1259
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 3: should you should get the best player. There is some

1260
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: truth to that. But at the same time, you have

1261
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 3: two receivers that are actually worth a dam right now

1262
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 3: in Kendrick Bourne and Pop Douglas. And if you have

1263
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 3: all this overlap, then you're gonna have a logjam of

1264
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 3: Z slot receivers and it's like, where do you play

1265
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 3: everybody you know? And how does this put together? Whereas

1266
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: Ayuk is a stud and he fits the position that

1267
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 3: you don't currently have on the roster, So it just

1268
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 3: makes all the sense in the world. Now. With that

1269
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 3: being said, the rumors from j just seein Anderson now

1270
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 3: are that it's actually Deebo.

1271
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: Samuel already had this too. He just put something out.

1272
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 3: So I think that that's what I would do if

1273
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: I was a San Francisco forty nine ers is I

1274
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 3: would sign Brandon Nyuk to a massive contract extension and

1275
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 3: I would trade Deebo Samuel.

1276
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: So maybe this is a hot take. I'm good. I'm

1277
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: good on Deebo Samuel. No, thank you. He's older, and

1278
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: I love you know, I love Deebo sam I loved

1279
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: and let me put that in the past tense.

1280
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 3: That's a good way.

1281
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: I loved Deebo Samuel. I think there was a time

1282
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: he's a great player. But remember that whole thing about

1283
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: he wanted a certain contract because he didn't like the

1284
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: way he was being used, because he was going to

1285
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: shorten his career.

1286
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 3: It shortened.

1287
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: He was right, No, he was one hundred percent right.

1288
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: He's twenty eight years old, he's dealt with injuries the

1289
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: last couple of years. He's also, I mean, he's not

1290
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: that X. He's not a true man beater. He's a

1291
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: you have to use him a very certain way. He

1292
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: would fit like a glove in this offense. Because it's

1293
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: very similar to what they do in San Francisco. So

1294
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: it's not that they wouldn't know how to use him

1295
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: or he wouldn't have a role. It's it's what you

1296
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: just said. It's age, it's injury history. He's twenty eight

1297
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: years old. He's his deal's crazy expensive too.

1298
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: He's twenty eight years old, which for a wide receiver

1299
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 3: wouldn't be that old. No, it's pretty most wide receivers

1300
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 3: hit age thirty in the fall, not anymore as much though,

1301
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 3: like nowadays. Keep talking, So he's twenty eight years old. Yeah,

1302
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 3: I still think he's got you know, football left in him.

1303
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 3: But you almost have to treat Deebo Samuel as a

1304
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 3: running back because so many of his touches and so

1305
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 3: many of his yards are coming after the catch, whether

1306
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 3: he's in the backfield or not. You're still throwing him,

1307
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,959
Speaker 3: you know, perimeter screens, you're still throwing you know, giving

1308
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 3: him scheme touches, You're still throwing him quick hitters over

1309
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 3: the middle of the field and letting him run with it.

1310
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 3: So the wear and tear on his body has been

1311
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 3: really similar to a running back. And we know how

1312
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,919
Speaker 3: running backs once they hit twenty eight, twenty nine to thirty.

1313
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 3: We know how that goes. So in a lot of ways,

1314
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 3: that's how I think Deebo Samuel should be viewed now.

1315
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 3: So he would I take to do you.

1316
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: Know how many wide receivers age thirty or older caught

1317
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: fifty more passes last year? No, you want to guess?

1318
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 3: Six?

1319
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? He actually it's nine.

1320
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 3: Nailed it, But I mean I did not nail that feeling.

1321
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: DeVante Adams, Keenan Allen, DeAndre Hopkins, Tyler Lockett, Brandon Cook's shoutout,

1322
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, Stefon Diggs, Mike Evans, Cooper Cup. So like,

1323
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: there's not a ton of thirty year old I just

1324
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: forget even worse. And he's right and he's going to

1325
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: be accelerated in that regard.

1326
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, now that being said, I'm not trading a

1327
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 3: Day two pick for Debo.

1328
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: No.

1329
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: If they can get him for like one oh three,

1330
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, go for it. Yeah, that's that's what I

1331
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: was gonna say.

1332
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 3: If they can get him for a fourth in mac

1333
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 3: Jones's sixth round pick, then I'm all for sure. But

1334
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 3: I'm not giving up thirty four or sixty eight.

1335
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: For would you trade thirty four for a Yuk. Oh yeah, yeah,

1336
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm in I'm in on on Ayuk and

1337
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: you know I'm not a huge auk guy. I've kind

1338
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:49,919
Speaker 1: of come around on him a little bit more, even

1339
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: before these rumors came out.

1340
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 3: I bursty technician. There's just at the top of it, there's.

1341
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: Just a part of me, tell me if this is

1342
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: unfair to worry about He's been in an offense where

1343
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: the defense has to worry about Debo, has to worry

1344
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: about Kittle, has to worry about McCaffrey. He's never been

1345
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: a defensive focal point. He's never been Maybe he is

1346
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: the caliber of being a Tuesday morning player, but he's

1347
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: never been a Tuesday morning player because he's played with

1348
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: all his talent. And I do think there is a

1349
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: projection you have to make there that when he doesn't

1350
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: have all these other guys a mass and coverage on

1351
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: them and a defense ken keyan on him, what's that

1352
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: gonna look like? Because that's obviously gonna be the case here.

1353
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: And that's the one thing I worry about.

1354
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 3: Now.

1355
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: No receiver that's available is perfect. You're gonna have to

1356
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: worry about something. And I've kind of come around on,

1357
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: especially now that aj Brown signed his extension. This is

1358
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: the guy. This is the guy. If you want to

1359
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: get the guy this year, this is the guy.

1360
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

1361
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: I do worry a little bit about he's gonna get

1362
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: so much more attention from defenses, So.

1363
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 3: I agree, Yeah, there's some worry there, or at least

1364
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 3: his numbers might take a hit because of that. Yeah,

1365
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 3: But isn't that kind of the point of having no

1366
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,479
Speaker 3: one guy that's gonna tilt the coverage, but he's because

1367
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 3: now all of a sudden pop Douglas and Kendrick Bourn

1368
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 3: and Hunter Henry. Yeah, maybe you'd still draft a receiver.

1369
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 3: You know, at some point in this draft. Isn't the

1370
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 3: point that you need that coverage dictating a.

1371
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: Receiver too, But you you still want a guy that

1372
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: even when the coverage is on him, he didn't even

1373
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: make a play, he'll make a play.

1374
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 3: So I think that in one of the things I

1375
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 3: think is a little bit of a misconception. I'm saying,

1376
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 3: you're doing this, but you don't like double receivers on

1377
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 3: every single point. So when he's gonna get his his,

1378
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 3: he's gonna get his.

1379
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: So he's gonna get his point is there's guys when like,

1380
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, you got Sauce Gardner in your division, You

1381
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: got you know, some really good corners in the AFC,

1382
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: and the idea is the defense when they put Sauce

1383
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: Gardner on a receiver, the idea is this receiver is

1384
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: not catching any passes today. Remember Patriots used to do

1385
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: that all the time. You know, it was only the

1386
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: elite of the elite of the elite. Yeah, could still

1387
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: make maybe it wasn't as big of an impact, but

1388
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: could still make an impact in those situations. Is is

1389
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: Brandan Ayuk the guy that when it's sauce, when it's

1390
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm blanking on the top corners

1391
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: in the league right now? This is embarrassing.

1392
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 3: Well, I mean now in the AFC it's a little

1393
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 3: bit different because there's been a movement, but like you know,

1394
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 3: la Jarious Need is in Tennessee now, so right when

1395
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 3: you get to just play the Titans next, Yeah, there's

1396
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 3: not a ton of good corners in the you know,

1397
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 3: Trent McDuffie is not that type of No, he's not.

1398
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 3: Buffalo doesn't have those corners anymore. So all right, so

1399
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 3: maybe maybe I'm worrying too much. But like when you

1400
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 3: go up against it as well, Miami has Ramsey.

1401
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: When you go up against Ramsey, when you go up

1402
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: against l Jerious Steed, when you go up against uh

1403
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner. The ideas those players are going to erase

1404
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: your top receiver. Is Ayuk the kind of guy that

1405
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: even when he gets that treatment. I'm not saying I

1406
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: need him to go for you know, five catches, one

1407
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: hundred yards and a touchdown, but he's not going to

1408
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: totally disappear. He's going to go toe to toe with

1409
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: the top corners in the league.

1410
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I just wonder if

1411
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 3: it matters, Like if he's that coverage receiver and he

1412
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 3: establishes the proper hierarchy in the offense and all that stuff,

1413
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 3: then at the end, like if Sauce Gardner has to

1414
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 3: take Brandon Ayuk because otherwise Brandon Nyuk's going to go off, Yeah,

1415
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 3: then it's still worth it because now the coverage isn't

1416
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 3: on these other it matters. So I think it matters

1417
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 3: to an extent, like to get the it's the whole

1418
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 3: trickle down effect. Well, I think to get to the

1419
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 3: baseline they want to get to in year one, year

1420
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 3: two of Drake May, which is just be competitive.

1421
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: Again. I think it's fine, But if you're going into

1422
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: playoff games, yeah right, if you're going to try to

1423
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: contend and get back, then I think it starts to

1424
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: matter because eventually you are going to have to beat

1425
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: teams that have that kind of corner.

1426
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 3: Okay, so and have other good but let me let's

1427
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 3: also keep going here for a second in that if

1428
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 3: you trade for Brandon and Ik this offseason and then

1429
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 3: you go out, you draft a guy next year next okay,

1430
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 3: well all right, all right, I mean that's basically what

1431
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 3: Cincinnati did, right.

1432
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you've you've sold me. So he's your T Higgins,

1433
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: not your Jamar Chase.

1434
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 3: Or maybe he is your Jamar Chase, but you still.

1435
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying, at the very least, he's your tea, all right.

1436
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 3: And I think this an is true for T Higgins,

1437
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 3: like if it if if T Higgins ends up.

1438
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: So we talked Cameron Wolf last night on Sports Up,

1439
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: and he said, when it comes to Higgins, the Bengals

1440
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: just aren't picking up the phone. They're just telling teams no,

1441
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: as they should. By the way, as they should. Good

1442
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: for them, shout out. But I will all right, I

1443
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: I I was gonna do. I was in Tai Yuk.

1444
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: I was more reluctant about it. You've you've convinced me, like,

1445
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: let's go because it's just a good Yeah, yeah, Brandon,

1446
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: and I'm in. I'm still out on Deebo. I'm still

1447
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: out on Debo, even.

1448
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 3: For like a fourth and the sixth, even for a four.

1449
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 3: You wouldn't trade a fourth round pick for him.

1450
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: No one cares if he's gonna restructure his contract. I

1451
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:30,959
Speaker 1: don't want to be committed to because if.

1452
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 3: He's here, how many more years does he have on

1453
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 3: his contract?

1454
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot. Let me look. Let me

1455
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: look at his contract, because here's my thing with Deebo.

1456
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: If he's here, yeah you have to play him. And

1457
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: if he's not good but he's still on the I

1458
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: worry about him basically. Maybe it's not maybe not aspect.

1459
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 3: You worry about him being jujus missies. That's exactly what

1460
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 3: I was gonna say. I hear you.

1461
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: He's got oh all right, so he's under there's an

1462
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: out after twenty four and then he's under contract for

1463
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, and then there's two void years.

1464
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, the void years, well matter for the Patriots. Now

1465
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 3: that's a San Francisco problem.

1466
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I trade. Can you let me ask you this? Yeah,

1467
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: Juju and a sixth. They just got Debo.

1468
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 3: What do they need because I I.

1469
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: Don't need Juju and Deebo. I don't need both those guys.

1470
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 3: The Patriots don't need Juju. You could have just I

1471
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 3: mean at all.

1472
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: But so that's that's maybe maybe all right, a fourth

1473
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: you say, all right, you know, a fourth and Juju

1474
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: for Debo.

1475
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 3: I think that they almost say no more. Note of

1476
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 3: that because they don't why why would they take on Juju's.

1477
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: Contract because they want to get rid of Debo's contract.

1478
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: It's but still now you're no, you're you're you're paying

1479
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: about it's half as I'm looking at it, half but

1480
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: less than half.

1481
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 3: You're still paying for somebody.

1482
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: So, uh, well, that's how you unload them, Robin the

1483
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: cat skills. So I guess here's sow. Let's let's talk

1484
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: about compensation. Let's say the Patriots are are are getting

1485
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: rid of are offering one oh three and Juju? Would

1486
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: they rather one oh three and juju? Or like one

1487
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: thirty and nothing.

1488
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 3: If I was the Niners, yeah, I would rather the

1489
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 3: picks than juju.

1490
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: Right, But if it's the one hundred and third pick

1491
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: and juju or one hundred and thirtieth pick and nothing.

1492
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 3: I'm saying no to both those.

1493
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: That's one of those are two offers.

1494
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 3: Then I'm just keeping deba all right?

1495
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: Fair enough?

1496
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 3: So, Robin the Catskills asks, would you trade next year's

1497
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 3: first round pick for Brandon Atyuk? Me? Neither, because as

1498
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 3: much as I'm excited today and as much as I'm

1499
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 3: jazzed up to have my Josh Allen in the building,

1500
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 3: the Patriots might still stink next year. Yep. And the

1501
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 3: Patriots having a top five, top ten, I think they'll

1502
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 3: probably be in that like Atlanta range of like the

1503
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 3: eighth pick or something like that.

1504
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: Take Michael Pennox next year.

1505
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 3: Let's go way too valuable too. I agree, he's not

1506
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 3: he's a great player. He is, he ain't that great.

1507
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 3: I'm not giving up a first next year. Would Could

1508
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 3: I be convinced of giving up thirty four and a

1509
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 3: Day two pick from next year's draft? I could be

1510
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 3: talked into that. I could be talked into that. I

1511
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 3: think that if you're the Niners, you really want to

1512
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 3: come around, come away with a first round pick for

1513
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 3: Brandon Ayuk, so you get two high seconds as kind

1514
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 3: of the equivalent of getting a first forum. If I

1515
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 3: was the Patriots, I'd probably do a second from next

1516
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 3: year or third from next year in thirty four. But

1517
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not trading what could probably be a

1518
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 3: top ten pick in next year's draft for Brandon Knight Yuk.

1519
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 3: I'm not doing that.

1520
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: Take a couple more calls and then we'll just rattle

1521
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: off these emails. Got a bunch of emails with you know,

1522
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: would you rather you know Kingsley or this guy, that

1523
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: guy whatever?

1524
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 3: Uh? Jordan is in Ohio. What's up, Jordan?

1525
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 5: Uh? Do you guys?

1526
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 2: Two questions?

1527
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 5: Do you guys think?

1528
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 6: Where do you guys rank the Bears even core At?

1529
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 1: It's up there?

1530
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 3: Good, It's really good.

1531
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: Good.

1532
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question. What's the other question? Jordan

1533
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 3: will answer that one and the same.

1534
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 7: Secondly, do you think the Patriots consider either Cooper de

1535
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 7: Jean or pool a Michi history at thirty four?

1536
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? Good? Good questions. Question we're talking about the Yeah,

1537
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 3: so we were talking about this in are and are.

1538
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 3: Can we call it a a pre show meeting even

1539
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 3: though it was, it's not talking constantly. Yeah, so so

1540
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 3: Bears receiving core for people that just to recap it

1541
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 3: is now Dj Moore, Keenan Allen, real Madoonza. That's pretty good.

1542
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 3: That's that's what you want to do for your young quarterback.

1543
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 3: The Patriots aren't there yet. They didn't have the two

1544
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 3: the double ones that the Chicago had in the top

1545
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 3: ten is crazy, like they didn't have all that. But

1546
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 3: if that's how you want to set up Caleb Williams,

1547
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams is not going to justin fields as Chicago Bears, right,

1548
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 3: Like that's that's a team that's got weapons. Now. Uh,

1549
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 3: they they've really built up that receiving corps. I I

1550
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 3: love what they've done in Chicago. Obviously they made the

1551
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 3: easy pick of taking Caleb, so I'm not going to

1552
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 3: give them their flowers for taking the quarterback everybody else

1553
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 3: in the world would have taken. But the Roma Dunze

1554
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 3: pick is a good one stack That receiver talent Keenan

1555
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 3: Allen's still good. But you don't know how much how

1556
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 3: much longer? So Dj Moore and Roma Dunsay are going

1557
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 3: to be the horses there for a while. And we

1558
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 3: also have col Comet at tight end too, the solid player.

1559
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 3: They have some really solid players on offense around Caleb Williams.

1560
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 3: To the second question, I think we should talk a

1561
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 3: little bit about Cooper digit I think we should.

1562
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: Well, so let's let's just start with this, because he

1563
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 1: asked about Cooper de Geni and Kolidan Kintry very similar players.

1564
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: I think Cooper de gene is a slightly better player,

1565
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: but they're both hybrid defensive backs. They can play multiple positions, smart,

1566
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 1: physical players. What we're about to say I think could

1567
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 1: really apply to whichever one of the Patriots like better.

1568
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 1: I just think it'll be to Gene.

1569
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it'll be to Gene as well. I

1570
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 3: think that Degene's start here. He's a first round pick. Yeah,

1571
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 3: he's a first round talent. He fell because cornerbacks as

1572
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 3: a whole fell in this draft. Quinn and Mitchell and

1573
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 3: can go till twenty two. I think to the Eagles

1574
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 3: was the first corner off the board. He also fell

1575
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 3: because of his injury, I think, so, yeah, that's part

1576
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 3: of it. I'm trying to remember what exactly the foot

1577
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 3: I'm looking it up right now. Where is my Where

1578
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,879
Speaker 3: is he? There areas so Cooper de Gene didn't shouldn't

1579
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 3: participate at the combine due to a fractured fibula that

1580
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 3: he suffered. Yeah, broken leg that he suffered in practice

1581
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 3: last November. Now, he had a showcase, pro day whatever

1582
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 3: you want to call it, for NFL scouts, his own

1583
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 3: private workout for NFL scouts at once he was healthy,

1584
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 3: but he didn't participate in much of the pre draft process,

1585
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,759
Speaker 3: you know, no combine, none of that kind of stuff.

1586
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 3: So I think a lot of that is a factor,

1587
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 3: as well as is the injury. Is he a corner?

1588
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,560
Speaker 3: Is he a safety? What do you need to do?

1589
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 3: I agree that I see the value in the versatility,

1590
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 3: but some teams get afraid of those tweeters, like they

1591
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 3: don't know exactly where to play those guys. He's got

1592
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 3: the long speed, I think to play outside corner, but

1593
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,440
Speaker 3: he's a little stiff in coverage in manutter.

1594
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: So you're gonna pu him on. You're only gonna put

1595
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: him out there on certain matchups.

1596
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for the Patriots, as much as we

1597
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,640
Speaker 3: all want offense, and we're all hammering offense, Uh. The

1598
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 3: bottom line is is that having a secondary to build

1599
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 3: with the next five years of Christian Gonzalez, Kyle Duggar

1600
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 3: and Cooper de Gene is really pretty freaking good. And

1601
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 3: Cooper Degene is really a versatile guy that can play

1602
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 3: off of Christian Gonzales. Kazal is gonna take the best

1603
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 3: receiver on the other team. So now Cooper Degene. This

1604
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 3: week we're playing, you know, a team that's got two

1605
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 3: really good receivers, so we're gonna have Degene on a receiver.

1606
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 3: But maybe next week it's only one really good receiver

1607
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 3: on the roster, so we're gonna have him play more

1608
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 3: of like a rover roll or a safety role.

1609
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: Or he and the other thing is he can play

1610
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: that free safety role and keep Kyle duggarant can play free.

1611
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 3: Safety, he can play nickel, he can play outside, and

1612
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 3: every single week you can just make he can put

1613
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 3: out fires wherever, wherever he needs to start or wherever

1614
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 3: the fire starts. You can move Cooper Degene around, because

1615
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 3: you know you have Christian Gonzalz holding down his side

1616
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 3: of the field, you can move Cooper Degene around and

1617
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 3: he can play any like that. Whyjene degene the gene gene.

1618
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: You put a Z in there, gene.

1619
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 3: Anyway, am I saying it wrong?

1620
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 1: Is that you're saying it with like a Z.

1621
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 3: The gene gene with the J. Why I'm saying what what?

1622
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 7: What?

1623
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 3: Quick?

1624
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 1: Okay? I'm trying to find the get it phonetic.

1625
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 3: The gene.

1626
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: That's how you say, That's how I say to gene.

1627
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 3: I think it's more of like a like a gene

1628
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 3: like more like a Z J combination.

1629
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: I'll find it. Keep talking.

1630
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,600
Speaker 3: So you have a lot of a lot of flexibility,

1631
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 3: is what I'm getting at with the with those two

1632
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 3: guys playing off each other, I I don't think it's

1633
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 3: out of the realm. Last night there was a little

1634
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 3: bit of a kerfuffle with some of the reports on

1635
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 3: the Niners pick, and we had heard that Gerrod Mayo

1636
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 3: and Elliott Wolf had been up front, you know. Mike

1637
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 3: Reese reported in the morning that the Patriots had had

1638
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 3: conversations about moving into the back end of the first

1639
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 3: round from thirty four. Then Girodmeo told the draft party

1640
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 3: not to not to leave. He told him to stick

1641
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 3: around because we might be getting back in now. Two

1642
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 3: receivers went and I do think the Patriots could have

1643
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 3: been interested in Xavier.

1644
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: Log At By the way, d Gene d d Gen

1645
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: is way off. Well that's how they haven't pronounced capital

1646
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: d ee and then Gene, so d Gene d Gene

1647
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: Cooper d Gen.

1648
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 3: Al Right, well let's get it right.

1649
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: If they draft them, yeah, Cooper d Gene, Cooper g Gene,

1650
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: we're both ro.

1651
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 3: I think they like Xavier Leget. I think that that

1652
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 3: was probably the guy they were targeting. But some people,

1653
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,879
Speaker 3: you know, all the all the tip yeah pick tippers

1654
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 3: tweeted out last night the Niners are drafting Cooper d Gen.

1655
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 3: And part of me kind of thinks that maybe the

1656
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 3: Patriots were supposed to draft Cooper de Gene with that

1657
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 3: pick and it fell through.

1658
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 1: Maybe. I mean, that's just a theory. It's it's not

1659
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: the w this theory. It's not the way it's it's

1660
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: definitely not the wild this theory. I mean, if Bill

1661
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: was still here, they would take Cooper to Gene like fifteen.

1662
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: Apparently he was traded down.

1663
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 3: On the macase he was not only not only was

1664
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,560
Speaker 3: he gushing about Cooper the Gene. I'm not gonna have

1665
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 3: to learn the way I was saying for not only

1666
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 3: was he gushing about him, but Bill did a board

1667
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 3: of draft needs for the Patriots. For the Patriots the

1668
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 3: needs that he created, by the way, but the need

1669
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 3: the needs were a quarterback.

1670
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:38,560
Speaker 1: Yep, tackle, offensive tackle, corner, corner. He loves Cooper. No

1671
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: Gene because faking, because he knew what he was doing.

1672
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: It was a good media job. No, this is why

1673
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: he loves him. So this is I keep going back

1674
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 1: to this quote. So at when when did d Gene

1675
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: declared for the draft? They held a breast conference and

1676
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: this is what his defensive coordinator said about do you

1677
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: even know who Niles Kinnick is?

1678
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 3: Clue?

1679
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: So, Niles Kinnick won the Heisman Trophy in nineteen thirty nine.

1680
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 1: Niles Kinnick won the Heisman, the Maxwell, and the Walter

1681
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: Camp as a do it all half back for the

1682
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 1: Iowah haw gyes nice. You see him going for that.

1683
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: They're stadium is named after him. So this is what

1684
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator said. I didn't see Niles Kinnick play,

1685
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: but he's the modern day Niles Kinnick. You know, Bill,

1686
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 1: you know would give you like forty five minutes on

1687
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: Niles Kinnick oh, Nile's Kinnick was in the navy too.

1688
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 3: Oh oh god, Oh no, Bill pants are off. He's going,

1689
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 3: He's going forty five large on Niles Kinnic. He's gonna.

1690
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 3: He's gonna tell you everything. He plays a pro that

1691
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 3: this guy did. Yeah, I I think it.

1692
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: Oh he uh he was killed in action, oh in

1693
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: nineteen forty three, making fun of it. No, it wasn't

1694
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: making fun of him. I was making fun of just

1695
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 1: the time period.

1696
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 3: But so the thing is is that he says corner

1697
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 3: is Yeah, It's just it's just priceless. Even even now,

1698
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 3: even after the offensive inepitude over the last two years

1699
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 3: got him fired, he still will not admit that wide

1700
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 3: receiver matters. He still I don't understands.

1701
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: You know he did that as a bit, right he's

1702
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 1: in the media now, Yes, no, yes, it was a bit.

1703
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: It was a bit. God, he did it sucks dis

1704
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: exact reaction.

1705
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,759
Speaker 3: So not only did he not admit that wide receivers

1706
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 3: matter after getting fired basically for having no wide receivers,

1707
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 3: he also he also kind of killed Drake may Now

1708
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 3: he killed them all and that was that was part

1709
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 3: of the bit, was that we wanted unfiltered Bill Belichick

1710
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 3: when we're in you're in the meeting rooms, and a

1711
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 3: couple of the players, I think James White was one

1712
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 3: of them, said, oh, this is just like a team

1713
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 3: meeting with Bill. You know, well, here's your one good

1714
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 3: play and here's your seventeen bad ones, right, Like, that's

1715
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 3: just a team meeting with Bill. But he was pretty

1716
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 3: harsh about Drake may He he was pretty positive about

1717
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy and bo Nicks, and he was over the

1718
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 3: top about Cooper d g Which just tells you that

1719
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 3: if Bill Belichick was running this draft last night, the

1720
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 3: Patriots are trading down with the Minnesota Vikings. They're taking

1721
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 3: BONICKX or JJ McCarthy at eleven, and they're taking Cooper

1722
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 3: de jene at twenty three, and I there's no doubt

1723
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, there's no doubt about it.

1724
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: Uh, it might have been Cooper Degenie at eleven and

1725
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: Bonex at twenty three. He like I heard, he liked

1726
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, which makes sense. Yeah, so maybe it would

1727
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 1: have been JJ at eleven and the Jane at twenty three.

1728
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 3: Okay, So Emery emails in and said that the board

1729
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 3: that I'm referring to apparently Pat McAfee's the show said

1730
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 3: it was field Yates's list of needs, not oh.

1731
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: So okay, I thought which I thought the rankings were

1732
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: field yates is, but the needs were Belichick's. Okay, so

1733
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: it's all field Yates.

1734
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 3: He said his all field Yates, and that Bill said

1735
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 3: wide receiver was in need for the Patriots. But I

1736
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 3: still think Bill's taking a defensive player in that first round.

1737
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 3: If he's trading down with Minnesota, he's taking those double

1738
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,560
Speaker 3: ones and he's hitting quarterback and he's hitting defense, and

1739
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 3: he's not taking the toolsy quarterback with the footwork issues.

1740
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 3: He's taking bo Nix. He's taking JJ McCarthy, maybe Pennix.

1741
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 3: He might have been a penis guy.

1742
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: Maybe he would have liked the experience.

1743
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 3: He said. That was the first word out of his

1744
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 3: mouth about Drake May was the lack of experience, which

1745
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 3: was interesting because he drafted Mac Jones.

1746
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: Mac.

1747
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 3: We're in the COVID year too, All right, Mike is

1748
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 3: in South South Dakota. What's up, Mike good Good?

1749
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: I was just looking, what do you guys think of Malay?

1750
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: Interesting player the Patriots on trade for Deebo? So?

1751
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 7: Uh?

1752
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 3: Is that all you got, Mike. Thanks for the call, Mike,

1753
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. It's a good question. So I think

1754
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 3: the Patriots like Xavier Laguett. That's just a hunch, but

1755
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,799
Speaker 3: I think they like Xavier Lagett, who's also Deebo Samuel

1756
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 3: reincarnated is day two look at or Debo or whatever

1757
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 3: you want to call it.

1758
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 8: Uh.

1759
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 3: The thing that scared me a little bit about Malachai

1760
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 3: Corley is how few downfield branches he really has, Like

1761
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 3: he just doesn't really run a whole lot of routes,

1762
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,759
Speaker 3: and it's so much of it is perimeter screen, jet sweep.

1763
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 3: Get the ball in his hands on quick hitters and

1764
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 3: let him run with it. And that can trans if

1765
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 3: you're Debo, that translates for at least a period of time.

1766
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 3: But the problem is is that a lot of the

1767
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 3: time it's Laviska Shenault, you know, like, it doesn't it

1768
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 3: just doesn't translate. And it's it's tough to do. It's

1769
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 3: tough to be. You have to be like Debo was

1770
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 3: for you know, his prime. You have to be extremely

1771
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 3: dominant with the ball in your hands to really make

1772
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 3: a career out of just being an at the line

1773
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 3: of scrimmage receiver. It's hard to do.

1774
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1775
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 3: And the other now is my fear with Corley.

1776
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: The other thing that scares me about Corley. We just

1777
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: talked about how Deebo took a beating and it shortened

1778
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: his career. Corley's small, like he's not He's five eleven

1779
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 1: two fifteen, so he's not tiny, but he's not big either.

1780
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: I wonder about how he's gonna hold up in that

1781
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:16,600
Speaker 1: kind of role and is he gonna be in the

1782
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:17,480
Speaker 1: lineup regularly.

1783
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just I always am wary of those types

1784
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 3: of guys because I used to love those types of guys,

1785
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 3: and I'm always wary of them now because for every

1786
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 3: Deebo Samuel, there's a Levishka Leviska Shenault. Remember Dwayne Eskridge, Yeah,

1787
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 3: Dwayne Eskridge. Amari Rodgers is obviously another one. But he's smaller,

1788
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 3: you know, He's Amari Rodgers was more of like a

1789
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 3: shifty guy than he was like that power ball carrier.

1790
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 3: There's a lot of though, and you're gonna hate this.

1791
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 3: There's a lot of a lot of nerds that love

1792
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 3: mal Kai Corley as they do a lot of analytics

1793
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 3: that like Malakai Corley, So maybe he ends up being

1794
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 3: a good football player. But Xavier le Get, Deebo, Samuel

1795
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 3: Malakai Corley, like it does seem like the Patriots are

1796
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 3: in in on some guys that have that kind of

1797
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 3: skill set and that kind of type. That's for sure.

1798
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: Definitely all right.

1799
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 3: Here we go. Is a long winded email, but from Cody,

1800
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 3: who says he's a long time listener of us, all

1801
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 3: the way back to the Patriots beat days. We love

1802
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 3: those people. So you had a couple of questions in here.

1803
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 3: The question is can you talk more about Adie Mitchell

1804
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 3: and uh, why he scares you? I've heard you say

1805
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 3: we're looking for character guys through this new new regime.

1806
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 3: Does he really fit? So we talked about this earlier

1807
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 3: in the show. I posted the best available. I'm sure

1808
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 3: you did something similar. Best available Number one for me

1809
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 3: is still Adie Mitchell.

1810
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 1: But I mean I think Cooper to Gene is the

1811
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: best available player I had.

1812
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 3: I think I had him too. I think I had

1813
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 3: him one too. Brandon, I you Branda, you guy just

1814
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 3: read a different email. Adie Mitchell. We talked about it

1815
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: a lot earlier on the show, So I don't want

1816
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 3: to continue to belabor the point. But Bob mcgainn, who

1817
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 3: does every year he's he he prints like red flags

1818
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 3: about aspects, character concerns off the field, that type of stuff.

1819
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 3: And Adie Mitchell apparently is a pretty severe diabetic and

1820
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 3: he has pretty brash mood swings, and the concern with

1821
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 3: him is that you're going to have to really manage

1822
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:22,600
Speaker 3: his literally his blood sugar level and make sure that

1823
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 3: he is in a good headspace and ready to go,

1824
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 3: not necessarily on game days as much, it doesn't sound like,

1825
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 3: it's more like during the week, and like, is he

1826
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:33,600
Speaker 3: going to be locked in, and is he going to

1827
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 3: be where he's supposed to be, and is he going

1828
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 3: to be in his playbook and is he going to

1829
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 3: be doing all the right things, especially early on in

1830
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 3: his career to get that untapped potential. So here's an

1831
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 3: email from Jordan who mentions that he sees a lot

1832
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:54,799
Speaker 3: of people on Twitter that compare Drake May to Mac Jones,

1833
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 3: and I like to think that those people are trolls,

1834
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,719
Speaker 3: Like I don't really I can't imagine that you're watching

1835
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 3: those two guys and you see somebody that's similar.

1836
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: So here's where I think that comes from it. There

1837
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: is one. On the surface, it's a similarity, but it's

1838
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: it's really not how many times did we watch mac Jones,

1839
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, try to throw across his body or try

1840
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: to throw out of a sack or things like that.

1841
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 1: But he just started doing that really in twenty twenty

1842
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: two when everything broke down around him and he got panicky.

1843
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: And by the way, they have a Drake made number

1844
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: ten jersey in his lock or there's tweet out of picture,

1845
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 1: so he's wearing number to go go eat your jerseys. Yeah,

1846
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: mac Jones wasn't like, that's not who mac Jones was

1847
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: in college. He got panicky and did that. Drake May

1848
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 1: has always done that because he has the athletic ability

1849
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 1: to do it. He's not doing it in a panicky sense. Now,

1850
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: will that stuff still translate in the NFL the way

1851
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: it's in the ACC. I don't think so. And that's

1852
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 1: going to be an adjustment. He's got to cut a

1853
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 1: lot of that out of his game. Yeah, something has

1854
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: to work on. But it may look the same visually,

1855
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: it's not the same thing. And I know that sounds dumb.

1856
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 3: Well, it's because his arm talent is vastly I.

1857
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 1: Think Patriots fans now have this they've heard for the

1858
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 1: last two years. Throwing off the back foot, throwing against

1859
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: your body. It's just being these negative things.

1860
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 3: Go watch Josh Allen or Patrick mahomes right, they do

1861
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 3: it all the time.

1862
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 1: They're negative. If you can't do it, And look, you

1863
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:25,959
Speaker 1: know who's.

1864
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 3: The guy that actually sorry? But you know the guy

1865
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 3: that I think it reminds me the most of is

1866
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 3: Jordan Love. Because Jordan's yeah, because Jordan Love.

1867
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some similarities there.

1868
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 3: Jordan Love has the ability. And I think one of

1869
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 3: the best traits about about Drake May is that he'll

1870
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 3: like drift. People think he's drifting and it's a bad thing,

1871
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 3: But what he's doing is he's he's drifting in the

1872
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 3: pocket away from a source of pressure right like they're

1873
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 3: bringing you'll blitz off the left side, so he'll just

1874
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 3: kind of drift a little bit in the pocket to

1875
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 3: his right, or drift a little bit into his left.

1876
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 3: And what he's doing is he's just buying himself that

1877
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,719
Speaker 3: extra second, that half a second of time to stand

1878
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 3: and deliver or throw. And he doesn't need to have

1879
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 3: his feet set and step into the throw to drive.

1880
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 3: It just like Jordan Love. You watch Jordan Love play.

1881
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 3: He throws a lot of passes off his back foot,

1882
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 3: but he's got so much arm talent that it doesn't

1883
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 3: make a difference. And I see a lot of similarities

1884
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 3: there with Drake May as well. Hopefully it develops faster

1885
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 3: for Drake May. Hopefully doesn't take two years obviously from

1886
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,520
Speaker 3: the bed on the field, but just in terms of stylistically,

1887
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 3: if you had to compare him to you know, I've

1888
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 3: compared him to Alan a lot. There's a really good

1889
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 3: email we can get to here in a second about that,

1890
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 3: But I think that there's a lot of Jordan Love

1891
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 3: overlap of the way that he manages the pocket to

1892
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 3: buy himself time and do the things that you're saying. Yeah,

1893
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 3: I think the one thing that worries me a little

1894
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 3: bit about what he does is it's more throwing late

1895
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 3: over the middle of the field, like he'll see a

1896
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 3: read is there and him might leave the pocket a

1897
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 3: little bit too prematurely. And Belichick was talking about this

1898
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 3: on McAfee last night that he doesn't always he doesn't.

1899
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 3: He leaves the pocket little bit prematurely sometimes, but then

1900
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 3: he'll get back on schedule or try to get back

1901
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 3: on schedule. But by the time he makes the throw

1902
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 3: over the middle of the field, it's too late, like

1903
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 3: the defender is already streaking in front of it, right,

1904
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 3: you know. So those types of things are are things

1905
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 3: that he has to work out. I'm not as concerned about.

1906
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:17,679
Speaker 3: You know, he makes a lot of throws with people

1907
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,600
Speaker 3: like hanging all over him and stuff like that. I

1908
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 3: think that you should let him do that. I like,

1909
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 3: I don't need him to a playmakers.

1910
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 1: It's not gonna work as consistently in the NFL as

1911
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 1: it did in college. I'm not saying take it out

1912
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: of his game, but he needs to understand it's not

1913
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: something he can rely on as much. It almost became

1914
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: a go to for him, and it can't be in

1915
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,680
Speaker 1: the NFL. Not saying he can't do it, but he

1916
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to. He's got to learn to win

1917
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 1: in structure too.

1918
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. I just think that if

1919
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 3: you take too much of that away from him, you're

1920
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 3: taking a superpower away.

1921
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying take it away. I'm just saying, like,

1922
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 1: it can't be as I think at times it was

1923
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: his first option. Yeah, was just I'm gonna let this

1924
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 1: thing run out as long as possible to get the

1925
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: best possible play and I can fight these defenders off

1926
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 1: and whatever, like you're not gonna be able to do.

1927
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 3: He made a lot of throws like going to the

1928
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:07,839
Speaker 3: ground where guys are like sacking him in the pocket

1929
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 3: and he just will He'll just throw it. He made

1930
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 3: a throw I think it was against Duke or I

1931
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 3: have no idea how he even got the ball to

1932
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:15,560
Speaker 3: the running back, but he hits the check down with

1933
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 3: like three guys on yeah, and it was just like,

1934
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 3: I don't even know how he did this. I know

1935
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 3: the lefty pass goes around a lot as well, but

1936
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 3: I actually think the lefty pass was probably the safest

1937
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 3: play that he made in a lot of ways out

1938
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 3: of that group of type of plays because the guy

1939
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:29,959
Speaker 3: was wide.

1940
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 1: Guys wide open. That was more a lateral than a pass.

1941
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 1: He was wide open in the back and again like

1942
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 1: like and that was a spot where it's good to

1943
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 1: use it. I just think he gotta like, you gotta

1944
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 1: rain in a little bit, Yeah, I agree, and that'll

1945
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 1: be a learning process and that'll you know, happen at

1946
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: the stand and.

1947
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,799
Speaker 3: Deliver in the pocket a little bit more consistently.

1948
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like because because you say you know it's taking well,

1949
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: you say it's taken away his superpower. One of his

1950
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,560
Speaker 1: superpower is just his army. If he can sit in

1951
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 1: the pocket, set his feet and throw, that's a superpower too.

1952
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 3: You need him to. I'm a little bit more justin

1953
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 3: Herbert than Josh Allen exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we've

1954
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:05,719
Speaker 3: used Josh Allen as a comp This is Emery emailing

1955
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 3: and said, what can you tell us about Josh Allen's

1956
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 3: skilled development timeline? What were his weaknesses coming into the

1957
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 3: league and how quickly was he able to fix him?

1958
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 3: I think this is a great question. So Josh Allen.

1959
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 3: I will never forget watching Josh Allen up here his

1960
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 3: rookie season. What was that twenty seventeen eighteen something like that?

1961
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 1: Eighteen because he was the Baker Oh is it night? No,

1962
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: he was Lamar was eighteen, right, because nineteen was the

1963
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones here nineteen, Harry he was he was Lamar

1964
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 1: Baker Rosen right.

1965
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's nineteen was his rookie season?

1966
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 5: Then?

1967
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 3: No, eighteen eighteen?

1968
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's the eighteen draft.

1969
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're so bad at this.

1970
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 1: No, I know what it is. You're confusing me.

1971
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 3: Eighteen.

1972
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 1: I remember watching him. This was twenty eighteen NFL draft.

1973
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Yeah, Lamar

1974
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 1: mar Jackson.

1975
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, idiots. I have a couple of things to say

1976
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 3: about that.

1977
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 1: Actual the next quarterback I went.

1978
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 3: But the biggest thing that on Josh Allen question, which

1979
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 3: I love.

1980
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:03,600
Speaker 1: You know who the next quarterback went after Lamar? Was

1981
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 1: the third round?

1982
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 3: Was it the guy? The Cleveland Browns guy? Who was it?

1983
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 3: He got that?

1984
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: He has a very famous moment with the Cleveland Browns.

1985
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 3: Who was it?

1986
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:16,879
Speaker 1: AFC North who was an East the League? Mason Rudolph,

1987
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:21,839
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph remember future Patriot Kyle lawleta, oh yeah, Danny Etling,

1988
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:22,719
Speaker 1: shout out Daniels.

1989
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 3: So to start on the Josh Allen timeline, I remember

1990
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 3: watching him his rookie season late and up here, and

1991
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 3: he could not hit a water if he fell out

1992
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 3: of a boat. You know, like the ball was all

1993
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 3: over the place. He was air mailing passes ten yards over.

1994
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 3: He was air mailing passes ten yards over guy's heads.

1995
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 5: It was.

1996
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 3: It was not good. And uh, I think everybody at

1997
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 3: that time was like, no way, there's no way that

1998
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 3: this guy is gonna gonna be a good player in

1999
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 3: the league. So the big thing with Josh Allen that

2000
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:57,679
Speaker 3: I think changed a lot for him was Jordan Palmer.

2001
01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 3: So he started working with Jordan Palmer in the offseas

2002
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 3: in one of these QB mechanical coaches, you know, private coaches. Yeah,

2003
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 3: and they really they really worked hard on almost retraining

2004
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 3: him how to throw the ball like mechanically from the

2005
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 3: ground up. Obviously he started with his footwork, but they

2006
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:17,799
Speaker 3: also you know, got him to spin on his axis

2007
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 3: a little bit smoother and shorten up his release like that.

2008
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 3: He threw the throws the ball differently now just point blank.

2009
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 3: But all these things that were worked on year two,

2010
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 3: I think people underestimate how much of a leap Josh

2011
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 3: Allen was already making in his second season with the Bills.

2012
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 3: If you look at his stats from his second year,

2013
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 3: are they you know, do you throw for fifty touchdowns?

2014
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 5: No?

2015
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 3: But like he's already a positive player by year two.

2016
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 3: He's already you know, two to one touchdown to interception

2017
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 3: ratio like all that kind of stuff. And then they

2018
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 3: get digs and then it takes off, right, you know,

2019
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 3: and that's sort of the timeline. But he was already

2020
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 3: a pretty good quarterback by his second season. It was

2021
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 3: really only his rookie year where he was a mess.

2022
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 3: Uh So he he developed quicker than I think some

2023
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 3: people remember. But a lot of the work for Josh

2024
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 3: Allen was done behind the scenes, Like a lot of

2025
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 3: the work was done with Brian Dable, with with Jordan Palmer,

2026
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 3: with with behind the scenes stuff that nobody saw. So

2027
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 3: with that being said, there's a lot of work that

2028
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,560
Speaker 3: was put in that Drake may is gonna have to

2029
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 3: be committed to as well. Right, Josh Allen deserves a

2030
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 3: lot of credit for being Josh Allen, Like he he

2031
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 3: didn't credit who deserves the most. God give him some credit.

2032
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 3: He developed him. Talk about this with Brady a lot

2033
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 3: as well. You know, those guys. I'm not saying Josh

2034
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 3: Allen was as maniacal as Brady was. Nobody is. But

2035
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 3: those guys worked at their crafts. That's that's the bottom line.

2036
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 3: They worked at their crafts as hard as they possibly

2037
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,839
Speaker 3: could to improve and get you know, Brady, get bigger, stronger,

2038
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 3: you know, Alan, to get more mechanically sound and Uh,

2039
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,760
Speaker 3: he was able to do it. And that's what the

2040
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:58,839
Speaker 3: other thing when we talk about, you know, the Patriots

2041
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 3: seeds is around Drake May with the right pieces. That

2042
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 3: was how we started the show. Now it's also on

2043
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 3: Drake made it individually developed himself, you know, like there's

2044
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 3: an individual development that he needs with his footwork and

2045
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 3: with his base and with his timing and all that

2046
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 3: kind of stuff that it's going to be on him.

2047
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 3: A big part of that is going to be on him.

2048
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 3: So that's where the Josh Allen comparisons come from. Josh

2049
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 3: Allen came into the league in college at Wyoming at

2050
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 3: an even lower level, was not necessarily dominant at Wyoming,

2051
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 3: and was completing under sixty percent of his passes, which

2052
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 3: is usually like a death knell for quarterback prospects. I

2053
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 3: think he's at fifty six or fifty eight percent completion

2054
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 3: rate his last year at Wyoming. If you're below sixty

2055
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 3: then most of the time you're not making it right.

2056
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: And he'd been that since high school. I mean, he

2057
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: didn't have a good completion percentage in high school.

2058
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's similar. You know, there's obviously some similarities

2059
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 3: to other quarterbacks to Jordan Love. Herbert is I think

2060
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,520
Speaker 3: probably the if you want to say, you know, all

2061
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff is kind of fake and not

2062
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 3: real and overblown. Herbert was really good right away. I

2063
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:03,679
Speaker 3: know they didn't win a lot of games right away.

2064
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 1: But Herbert, he came in and established himself.

2065
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Herbert was already in a very it was a

2066
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:10,599
Speaker 3: quick developer and a quick learner and was really good

2067
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 3: as a rookie. So if you want to go that

2068
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 3: we're out and say that all this has just been overblown,

2069
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 3: you know, draft nonsense, then it's justin Herbert. If you

2070
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 3: want to say it's gonna take the developmental track a

2071
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 3: little bit, but he's gonna play through it, it will

2072
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 3: be Josh Allen. The sitting and waiting is Jordan Love, right,

2073
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 3: Like those are the sort of the three guys I

2074
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 3: would go with with with that, the other thing I

2075
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 3: think is interesting about Josh Allen. So you mentioned Baker

2076
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,639
Speaker 3: Mayfield went one to one in that draft. Josh Allen

2077
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 3: goes eight to the Bills, right, if I have eight

2078
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 3: seven or eight and then Lamar goes thirty second.

2079
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: Yep, you forgot Trush frozen. I didn't, And Sam Donald

2080
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:53,760
Speaker 1: I didn't seventh. Okay, Smith won eight, So Baker goes

2081
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: one to one. Yeah, Josh Allen goes seventh. Yeah, Lamar

2082
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,719
Speaker 1: Goo's thirty second, Yeah, and Sam Donald went third.

2083
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 3: Who was the people in the building in Cleveland?

2084
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,879
Speaker 1: I thought about this, Elliot Wolf was the assistant GM.

2085
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 3: And who was the offensive coordinator?

2086
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 1: Was it was Van Pelt?

2087
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 3: Was it Van? I think Van Pelt got there later. Yeah.

2088
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 1: I don't think Vana Pel was there.

2089
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 3: He might not have been there yet.

2090
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 1: Van Pelt was, He was in Cincinnati.

2091
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:23,879
Speaker 3: He's still in Cincinnati.

2092
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:24,280
Speaker 2: Darn.

2093
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 3: That really doesn't regardless, all right, No, no, this is

2094
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 3: it really worked if it was both of them.

2095
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:32,640
Speaker 1: Because Elliot Wolf talked last week about being in the

2096
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,640
Speaker 1: front office that chose Baker Mayfield over Lamar Jackson, And

2097
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 1: that's kind of what JJ McCarthy over Drake may would

2098
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:40,640
Speaker 1: have felt like to me.

2099
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, they hate the swing. They he didn't take the

2100
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 3: swing the first or him and Dorsey, you know, yeah,

2101
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 3: they didn't take the swing the first time around on

2102
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 3: a guy like Alan, on a guy like Lamar because

2103
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:56,560
Speaker 3: they were probably afraid of some of the of the

2104
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:58,000
Speaker 3: developmental things that they were.

2105
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:01,679
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a little different too, like people

2106
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 1: thought Lamar was going to hire in thirty second it.

2107
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think what the it's different because they

2108
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 3: had won the first over, right, it's a little different

2109
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:11,320
Speaker 3: one one it would have been like taking, you know,

2110
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 3: the risk on Drake may Over like a Caleb Williams almost.

2111
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 3: But the thing is is that Baker was so Baker

2112
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 3: was the consensus pick, but he was also more pro ready.

2113
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 3: He was also more polished. That was the whole concern

2114
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 3: with Lamar and Josh Allen. And it seems like I

2115
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 3: think Elliott Wolf maybe learned a lesson or two about

2116
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:33,959
Speaker 3: ceiling and potential and how important those things are. Baker Mayfield,

2117
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 3: up until last year, his best year was as a rookie,

2118
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 3: a lot like Mac Jones, and then it went it

2119
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 3: went like this for him. And I think that Elliott

2120
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 3: Wolf has now lived through both of those guys. He's

2121
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 3: lived through Baker and he's lived through Mac Jones, and

2122
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 3: he's watched it front and center and seeing that they're

2123
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:50,799
Speaker 3: the best. They're going to be right when they're drafted,

2124
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 3: and then it plateaus and then it and then it

2125
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:56,439
Speaker 3: falls out, And I think that's what they're hoping to avoid.

2126
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 3: They're hoping to get a guy that's going to ascend

2127
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,680
Speaker 3: like this, yeah, instead of a floor guy that's going

2128
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 3: to fall right. So it'll be interesting to see if

2129
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 3: he ends up being great because he's going the total

2130
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 3: opposite way. Yeah, then both the other quarterbacks he's taken.

2131
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 3: All right. Jordan is in Georgia. What's up? Jordan? Hello, Hey,

2132
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 3: you're on the air. What's up?

2133
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 2: A first time caller? Love you guys, love the show.

2134
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 3: Thank you. I got a random question here, sure love.

2135
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,719
Speaker 2: Got hosply duke in the background of your show.

2136
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 1: We do. Hey. I think it's the first person that's

2137
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 1: ever realized that good job.

2138
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 3: Appreciate it.

2139
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 1: That was That was a purposeful decision.

2140
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 2: I was wondering if you had to choose a play

2141
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:43,919
Speaker 2: from Alex van Pelt's offense.

2142
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 3: I love this question, Jordan. That is one of the

2143
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Speaker 3: best questions we've gotten in the long time, because I

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01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 3: need to change and I appreciate the question and for

2145
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 3: you listening, so thanks so much. Questions, such a great question.

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01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 3: That's it.

2147
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:57,639
Speaker 1: That's like one of our best listeners.

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01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 3: It's now a little bit outdated. It's a little bit

2149
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 3: outdated because you know, we don't have the same playbook anymore.

2150
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 3: So you know, if I had to pick, I'm going

2151
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 3: with leak because leak is the best play in football.

2152
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,720
Speaker 3: So for people that don't know, leak is in all

2153
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 3: of these Shanahan Tree offenses, right, Shanahan, La Floor, Van Pelt,

2154
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 3: all these guys run it. And basically all it is

2155
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 3: is that they're gonna run the play action, They're gonna

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01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 3: boot the quarterback out to the right, and they're gonna

2157
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 3: try to sneak the tight end out the backside of

2158
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 3: the formation. And it happens every most of the time,

2159
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 3: is that the tight end just gets lost in the

2160
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 3: wash right and and they the defense forgets to account

2161
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 3: for the tight end there it is, right, that's leak.

2162
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:46,880
Speaker 3: So this is leak.

2163
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:50,800
Speaker 1: And to get the mad Nard the great.

2164
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 3: So you see the red route right, that's the leak route, okay,

2165
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 3: And you see the bootleg going this way, and you

2166
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 3: have all the routes. The whole flow of the play

2167
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 3: is going in one direction. The tight end sneaks out

2168
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 3: the back door. And not only do you do I

2169
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 3: love the tight end closer you can point to it.

2170
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 3: Not only is the tight end usually open on that the.

2171
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 1: Tight end and they're highlight that it's not right here

2172
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:17,599
Speaker 1: right here. No no, no, no, no, the secondary tight end.

2173
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 1: So he's coming back across. That's there's a tight end

2174
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 1: on the y.

2175
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. So you have the slide route right. This is

2176
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 3: the slide route here, and everybody's going is flowing in

2177
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 3: this direction. We go is there? All everyone's flowing to

2178
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 3: the right.

2179
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 1: You got the motion coming against it to this motion

2180
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 1: and all.

2181
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 3: The eye candy, we're all going over here. Then the

2182
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 3: tight end is going to leak out the back side

2183
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 3: of the formation.

2184
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:37,720
Speaker 1: No great play.

2185
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 3: Now. The thing about leak is that you need a

2186
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 3: quarterback that can roll to his right stop and then

2187
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 3: throw a bomb back to his left. Patriots just drafted

2188
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 3: one of those guys.

2189
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 5: They did.

2190
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:53,679
Speaker 1: They drafted a guy that's excellent.

2191
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 3: You ain't running leak with bo Nicks, all right, he's

2192
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:57,800
Speaker 3: not getting the ball there.

2193
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 1: There were two leak quarterbacks I think at the off

2194
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:02,120
Speaker 1: of this draft, yeah, May and Panics.

2195
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then out of the guys the Patriots coulda drafted. Right.

2196
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 1: Washington runs a little different version of it. I don't

2197
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,640
Speaker 1: think it looks exactly like that, but they run the

2198
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 1: same concept.

2199
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 3: We might need to change the play put leak back there.

2200
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 3: We might need to put leak back. There's a great question.

2201
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 1: We should do that more. That was fun. We may

2202
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 1: need to do that. Pull up the Maden art of

2203
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:25,640
Speaker 1: the plays.

2204
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,640
Speaker 3: And well, you know we could get you know, we

2205
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 3: could get a whiteboard in here because you know, we

2206
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 3: also could just use the footage when he actually starts

2207
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:34,839
Speaker 3: playing games because we're the Patriots.

2208
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 1: But that's a really easy way for people to like

2209
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 1: see it, ye straight and all.

2210
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:41,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I also realize, as much as you know,

2211
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 3: some people hate Next Gen for other reasons.

2212
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 1: I love the dots. The dots are great.

2213
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,679
Speaker 3: The simple, you know, like it really simplifies it even

2214
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:52,720
Speaker 3: for people like me that every once in a while

2215
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,600
Speaker 3: can just use an easy display of what's going on.

2216
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:58,280
Speaker 3: I love the dots. All right, Rob is in Miami.

2217
01:40:59,000 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 3: What's up? Rob?

2218
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 1: Hey?

2219
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:04,240
Speaker 6: What's up?

2220
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:04,760
Speaker 3: Yep?

2221
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 7: Okay, So, first of all, I love the show, And

2222
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:11,560
Speaker 7: sorry if this is kind of a basic question that

2223
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 7: you guys have already covered, I still need to catch

2224
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 7: up to the earlier stuff. But involved our first pick

2225
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:23,759
Speaker 7: number thirty four. Now, like Evan, I'm a big Roman

2226
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:26,680
Speaker 7: Wilson guy, and I think that ad Mitchell unfortunately, is

2227
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 7: probably gonna go to the Bills at thirty three, and

2228
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,599
Speaker 7: I'm okay with a tackle it in the third round.

2229
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 7: Is thirty four too rich for romand Wilson or do

2230
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 7: you think this is a situation where we could trade

2231
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 7: back and still get a guy like that later.

2232
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question, Rob, Thanks for the call.

2233
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 3: I I don't think it's too rich anymore. I would

2234
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 3: have before the draft started, but with Ricky Pierres All

2235
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:51,400
Speaker 3: Xavier Leget going at the end of the first round,

2236
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 3: I think what you're finding out is that this receiver

2237
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:56,600
Speaker 3: the league likes this receiver class even more than we

2238
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 3: did in some cases.

2239
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:01,360
Speaker 1: Here's the thing though, if you're if you want that

2240
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:04,639
Speaker 1: like rat Runner, that separator, do you like Roman Wilson

2241
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 1: better than Lad McConkie.

2242
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 3: No, because I think lad McConkie can run more of

2243
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 3: like an outside vertical routree lad McConkie is is not.

2244
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:19,679
Speaker 3: I don't think Lad McConkie is just a slot receiver.

2245
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:22,640
Speaker 1: Well, so, I guess here's my point. I like, I

2246
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 1: think Lad McConkie can do more than Roman Wilson, but

2247
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:27,719
Speaker 1: me too, so is it too early for Roman Wilson?

2248
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:32,040
Speaker 1: If you really love him. Maybe not, but I find

2249
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 1: it tough to take him over Lad mcconk. If Lad

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01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 1: McConkie had gone at the end of the first round

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01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,360
Speaker 1: instead of Pierce Saller, instead ofly Get, I think it

2252
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 1: becomes more of a conversation because Pierce only get our

2253
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 1: different kinds of receivers. But if that's the kind of

2254
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 1: receiver you want, I think you go, you go. Mcconk.

2255
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 3: I did hear that there are some teams are flagging

2256
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:49,479
Speaker 3: McConkie's injuries.

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01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 1: No, well I could, I could change things.

2258
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:54,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you had back an ankle like nagging injuries

2259
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 3: last year, so that that could possibly be a deterrent

2260
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 3: with McConkie. But McConkey to me is, don't misunderstand Lad McConkie.

2261
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 3: Like Lad McConkie, My Mike is Mike Konfor Lad McConkie

2262
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:12,600
Speaker 3: was Chris Olave like very Lad McConkie's game is that

2263
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:15,639
Speaker 3: his acceleration off the line of scrimmage in the first

2264
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:18,759
Speaker 3: ten yards is so good that he gets defenders opened

2265
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 3: up really quickly, and then he's got stop on a

2266
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:24,599
Speaker 3: dime ability, So he's really a vertical route runner. Ladd

2267
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 3: McConkie on the outside of the formation. He could do

2268
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,960
Speaker 3: it from the slot too, obviously, but he's he's not

2269
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:35,680
Speaker 3: a jitterbug first level, you know, juke rout slot receiver like,

2270
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 3: that's not his game. He's he's got vertical ability. So

2271
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 3: if you're looking for somebody that can play a little

2272
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 3: bit more on the outside and do a little bit

2273
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:45,560
Speaker 3: more of those things, then I think Lad McConkie is

2274
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,719
Speaker 3: a better fit than Robin Wilson. I am a Roman

2275
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:50,600
Speaker 3: Wililson guy, though, and I think Roman Wilson's gonna be

2276
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 3: a great pro somewhere. I don't know if it will

2277
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 3: be here, but I think Roman Wilson could be a

2278
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 3: really good player, uh in the league. All right, this

2279
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:01,120
Speaker 3: is David from Madrid. Do you guys think there's going

2280
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 3: to be a run for CB A run of CB's

2281
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:06,320
Speaker 3: in the second round? Is there's still a chance that

2282
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:09,040
Speaker 3: someone like Saints Drill falls to sixty eight? So the

2283
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 3: CBS didn't go very fast, right? You had Quinnon Mitchell

2284
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 3: started at twenty two? Yeah, And who is the other

2285
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:16,760
Speaker 3: receiver that went in the first round?

2286
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 1: Corner corner? There were three? Right, Quinnyan Mitchell Nate Wiggins,

2287
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 1: Terry and Arnold. I do like I got the order.

2288
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:25,559
Speaker 1: I got the order wrong. It was Mitchell, then Arnold

2289
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:27,639
Speaker 1: to the Lions. At twenty four they trade up with Dallas.

2290
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins is a dog in Baltimore. What a fit,

2291
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 1: so he's he was always.

2292
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 3: A Raven Baltimore and Philly annoyed the crap out of me.

2293
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 3: But I also love it. They just like pull up

2294
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:42,720
Speaker 3: mel Kiper's mock draft and they just take the pick

2295
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:44,679
Speaker 3: that's going to get them the positive press.

2296
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 1: But you know, every single it usually works.

2297
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:48,640
Speaker 3: That's what I said on the air last night. I

2298
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:52,320
Speaker 3: was like, the Eagles took Jordan Davis usually works. Yeah,

2299
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:56,599
Speaker 3: the the Ravens to Kyle Hamilton usually works.

2300
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:57,040
Speaker 1: Right.

2301
01:44:57,240 --> 01:45:00,120
Speaker 3: If you just stick to the consensus, it usually works. Well,

2302
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 3: that was Patriots last night, and nobody can get mad

2303
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 3: at you because everybody had it that way. So if

2304
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 3: we all in three years are killing the Patriots for

2305
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 3: taking Drake May, then we're all hypocrites, right, So I

2306
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,439
Speaker 3: told I'm with that. Howie Roseman does it right? Just

2307
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 3: load up on the consensus players, because nine times out

2308
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:19,720
Speaker 3: of ten, if the whole league is saying this guy

2309
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 3: is good, then he's the most.

2310
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:23,200
Speaker 1: Like I always, you know what I say at the

2311
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:26,839
Speaker 1: end of the day, the NFL drafts about adding good players, period,

2312
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:29,120
Speaker 1: full stop. Oh I'll say this on the Patriots draft.

2313
01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm meant to say it's at the top of the show.

2314
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 1: By drafting Drake May Patriots had a good draft. They

2315
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:36,879
Speaker 1: got a potential franchise quarterback. Whether or not he realizes

2316
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 1: that potential will have to see. But they did what

2317
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 1: they need to do. They had a good draft. To me,

2318
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:42,960
Speaker 1: the next two days decide if it's a good draft

2319
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 1: or a great draft. But I think they had a

2320
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:46,839
Speaker 1: good draft. I'm ready to say that already.

2321
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 3: So back to the cornerback question. Yeah, because I guess

2322
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:52,760
Speaker 3: Field Yates or Bill Belichick one of the other things.

2323
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:54,840
Speaker 3: That cornerback is in need for the Patriots. I could

2324
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:57,200
Speaker 3: see Jonathan Jones getting up there in age.

2325
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 1: It's in need. I just don't think it might be four. Yeah,

2326
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 1: but it's a distant four to the top three.

2327
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of the corners. Now we both love

2328
01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 3: Cam Hart from Notre Dame, so he would be one

2329
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 3: guy that's an outside guy. But a lot of the

2330
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:13,560
Speaker 3: corners on Day two of this draft are Nichols. A

2331
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:18,120
Speaker 3: lot of them, you know, Saint Strill, Max Melton, I

2332
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:19,960
Speaker 3: do like Ennis Redstraw from Missouri.

2333
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:21,599
Speaker 1: He reminds me a lot of Jonathan Jones.

2334
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a little bit undersized in terms of wait

2335
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 3: like kind of like Gonzo you know, long but not he.

2336
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 1: He has an injury history too.

2337
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:30,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has a very bad injury.

2338
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 1: The only real outside guy I think on day two

2339
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:34,920
Speaker 1: is TJ. Tampa right from Iowa.

2340
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:38,680
Speaker 3: Stay h. I wasn't crazy about a little stiff, like

2341
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 3: thick bodied like I to me, I think TJ. Tampa

2342
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:44,120
Speaker 3: is gonna be a great cover two corner if you're

2343
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:46,439
Speaker 3: a zone team. Yeah, I think he's really a fit

2344
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:48,760
Speaker 3: for the Patriots. I think he's a little stiff for

2345
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 3: me in man coverage, I would be a little I.

2346
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 1: Guess Kyrie Jackson, but there's a bunch of stuff with

2347
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:54,600
Speaker 1: Kyrie Jackson that worries me.

2348
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know obviously kool Aid you actually really did

2349
01:46:59,280 --> 01:46:59,719
Speaker 3: like Cooley.

2350
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 1: It's of a hybrid tweener though.

2351
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Who I think is gonna fall because of his

2352
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:05,719
Speaker 3: forty time was a lassiter from Georgia.

2353
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 1: He's like a safety, isn't he He was a He

2354
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:08,840
Speaker 1: had some.

2355
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 3: Really good press man tape against Alabama in the SEC

2356
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:16,040
Speaker 3: Championship game. His long speed is gonna be an issue,

2357
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 3: but he rides guys. He's kind of like Cam Hart,

2358
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 3: you know, He's a very physical guy, can play press man,

2359
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,519
Speaker 3: can mirror and match off the line of scrimmage. He

2360
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 3: just has He's ran like a four to six. Uh

2361
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 3: So he's gonna have long speed issues that might move

2362
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 3: him to safety, but I liked him. If you're trying

2363
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 3: to still get to outside uh and it is gonna

2364
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be a good player if he stays

2365
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:38,080
Speaker 3: healthy in the league from Missouri. He's gonna be a

2366
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 3: good player if he stays healthy. Other than that, though,

2367
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:42,799
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys I think are safety nickel

2368
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 3: tweeer hybrids, you know, whatever you want to call it.

2369
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:50,040
Speaker 3: You know, Maximilton's a great, great player. Sanstrell is an

2370
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:52,639
Speaker 3: absolute dude. But those guys that I think are gonna

2371
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:55,760
Speaker 3: play slot in the league. And then you get into

2372
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 3: like the developmental guys at corner. You know, you're starting

2373
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:02,400
Speaker 3: the kid for Auburn what's his name, DJ James, right,

2374
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:04,240
Speaker 3: you know those types of guys like you start getting

2375
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 3: into third fourth fifth round. A lot of people like, uh,

2376
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 3: DeMarcus Robinson, right, it is from uh Mississippi state, like.

2377
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:13,799
Speaker 1: The edge Rusher.

2378
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 3: No, no, no, maybe I'm thinking the wrong name.

2379
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 1: To Cameron Richardson, Di Cameron.

2380
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:21,680
Speaker 3: Richardson to Marcus Robinson, that's a wrong different player, wrong

2381
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 3: freaking guy. Evan. Uh Yeah, he's what six ' three

2382
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:27,320
Speaker 3: and runs like a four to three. But he's super raw,

2383
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:30,240
Speaker 3: you know, fourth fifth round guy. That's where I could

2384
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:32,560
Speaker 3: see them going at corner. It's like a guy like that,

2385
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:36,479
Speaker 3: you know, fifth round, that fifth round pick developmental rock

2386
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 3: kind of like what they pick like a mere speed

2387
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 3: and I say Bolden last year. All right, let's go

2388
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:43,400
Speaker 3: back to the phones. Jay is in Minnesota. What's up, Jay?

2389
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:46,800
Speaker 6: Hello, guys, how's it going good?

2390
01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:48,439
Speaker 2: Good? So?

2391
01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 5: I had a question.

2392
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:50,400
Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys talked about it at

2393
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:53,559
Speaker 6: the top of the show, but how much talk did

2394
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,400
Speaker 6: you give into the pages actually trading for Deebo Samuels Uh.

2395
01:48:57,960 --> 01:48:59,800
Speaker 6: I think Ian Rappaport had a good point on a

2396
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:01,439
Speaker 6: few were to trade for him. He still needs to

2397
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:04,360
Speaker 6: do is physical and if you were to trade a

2398
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 6: pick away then he doesn't pass physical for some reason.

2399
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 6: Then the pick's already made, so we can get messy

2400
01:49:09,200 --> 01:49:11,360
Speaker 6: that way. But what do you think that they could

2401
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:13,519
Speaker 6: give up for Debo? And what would make sense? I

2402
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 6: don't think it's gonna happen, but wondering what you guys think.

2403
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 6: And then also, if they don't trade for Deebo, what

2404
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:22,920
Speaker 6: kind of prototype receiver is best fit for Drake may

2405
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 6: for who's left, like somebody who's shorter and faster, somebody

2406
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:27,559
Speaker 6: who's bigger and can get the ball.

2407
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:30,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the call, Jay, appreciate it. So what Debo.

2408
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 3: We did talk about it a little bit earlier. I

2409
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 3: still would trade for Debo. I just wouldn't give up

2410
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 3: a Day two pick for Deebo.

2411
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:39,040
Speaker 1: Well, the point about the physical is interesting, Yeah.

2412
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:41,360
Speaker 3: I mean everybody takes the physical though Bill was talking

2413
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:44,160
Speaker 3: about it. It's like, Oh, we're gonna pat you down

2414
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:46,160
Speaker 3: and make sure you have no broken bones. Okay, you're good.

2415
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:48,240
Speaker 1: No, this is different. This is a guy that's been

2416
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:50,840
Speaker 1: hurt a lot. This is a real physical. I'd want

2417
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:53,200
Speaker 1: them to give him a real physical. And if you

2418
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:56,160
Speaker 1: trade a pick and then the physical doesn't pass, that's

2419
01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 1: a good point. I could avoid it. That's a good point.

2420
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 1: I may only trade a future pick for Deebo Samuel.

2421
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 3: I would still probably trade a Day three pick for

2422
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 3: him fourth round. Yeah, look, we always throw these trade

2423
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 3: compensations out, and we could be a way and then

2424
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 3: I could be.

2425
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:14,840
Speaker 1: I can't get excited about Deebo Samuel. I can't.

2426
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:19,360
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't get excited about just Deebo Samuel.

2427
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 3: But to the other point that he had about what

2428
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 3: kind of receiver, I think that a size speed guy

2429
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 3: is the best pairing for Drake may You need to

2430
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:30,840
Speaker 3: have the speed because you want to be a big

2431
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:33,479
Speaker 3: playoffense with him. You're gonna want him to throw bombs.

2432
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:36,720
Speaker 3: You're not asking to be You're not death by a

2433
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:39,160
Speaker 3: thousand paper cuts with Drake may You're You're You're going

2434
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:41,280
Speaker 3: for haymakers. So you want to be able to throw

2435
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:43,679
Speaker 3: the ball down the field. But I also think catch

2436
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:46,599
Speaker 3: radius is important because he's not gonna be pinpoint accurate

2437
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:48,640
Speaker 3: all the time. So if you do have like a

2438
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 3: six foot two, six foot three guy that can go

2439
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:53,559
Speaker 3: up and get it, that can reach outside his frame,

2440
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 3: that can make acrobatic catches, that helps him, That helps

2441
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:59,000
Speaker 3: Drake Mayo out. If you have kind of like an

2442
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:03,160
Speaker 3: accuracy erase receiver on the outside. That's why I've loved

2443
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 3: Dadi Mitchell for them from the jump, because I figured

2444
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 3: Drank May was gonna be the quarterback. Now you have

2445
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 3: a six foot two receiver runs a four to three

2446
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:11,919
Speaker 3: with a forty inch vertical. You have an accuracy erasing

2447
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:14,760
Speaker 3: vertical threat, and you have the big arm quarterback. The

2448
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 3: other guy that I think we should talk about briefly

2449
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:21,120
Speaker 3: that fits that is tes Walker, who he played with

2450
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 3: at North Carolina. I don't love tes Walker as their

2451
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:27,720
Speaker 3: only receiver edition, but if we're gonna do Deebo, We're

2452
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:34,559
Speaker 3: gonna talk about Deebo. Deebo for you know, their fourth

2453
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:38,200
Speaker 3: round pick, their fifth round pick, whatever it takes, and

2454
01:51:38,280 --> 01:51:39,799
Speaker 3: then still taking tes Walker.

2455
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:41,680
Speaker 7: I like that.

2456
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 3: I think he got a lot of weapons. Now, I

2457
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 3: think you got guys on the outside that can win.

2458
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:49,000
Speaker 3: I think you got Deebo Samuel, who for all of

2459
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:51,040
Speaker 3: his injury history, his age, all this kind of stuff.

2460
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:54,960
Speaker 3: Let's not be naive. If the Patriots trade for Deebo Samuel,

2461
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:58,479
Speaker 3: he's the best skilled player on the team. He's the

2462
01:51:58,479 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 3: best skilled player on the team.

2463
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:02,639
Speaker 1: But for how long, Like that's the thing you're working

2464
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:04,320
Speaker 1: on a build up here, and we just talked about

2465
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:06,680
Speaker 1: with his injury history and his age, I'd like to

2466
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:08,680
Speaker 1: see them do something a little more sustainable. I just

2467
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:11,960
Speaker 1: don't think Debo he helps you in twenty twenty four,

2468
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:14,240
Speaker 1: does he help you beyond that?

2469
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:17,120
Speaker 3: That's fair. I think we you know, it depends on

2470
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:19,640
Speaker 3: their developmental time with Drake may I guess a little bit.

2471
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:22,920
Speaker 3: But we all we have talked about that floor of

2472
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:24,960
Speaker 3: you know, you got to surround the rookie quarterback with

2473
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:28,080
Speaker 3: some proven commodities. I think Deebo Samuel checks that box.

2474
01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:30,360
Speaker 3: I don't know. I still love Debo. He does.

2475
01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:34,160
Speaker 1: Think there's other proven commodities. Would you rather give up

2476
01:52:34,520 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 1: a second for Ayuk or a fourth for Deep?

2477
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:38,040
Speaker 3: I don't think a second fry Youke is gonna get

2478
01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:39,920
Speaker 3: it done. But I would still make it. I would

2479
01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:41,719
Speaker 3: still make the trade for Ayuke, Like I'm not saying

2480
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:44,519
Speaker 3: that I wouldn't, But I still think you're gonna have

2481
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:46,120
Speaker 3: to get up more than just a second for Brandon

2482
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:46,320
Speaker 3: n A.

2483
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:46,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2484
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:49,200
Speaker 3: Uh, Dodd is in Jacksonville. It's up, Todd.

2485
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:54,799
Speaker 2: Hey, it's just a quick question for you, just wondering

2486
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 2: it's it's gonna take in a couple of assumptions. But uh,

2487
01:52:57,600 --> 01:53:02,799
Speaker 2: do you see possibly with the change offensive philosophy without

2488
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 2: with ABP and and now we got Drake on board,

2489
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:09,560
Speaker 2: you know, big armed quarterback. Maybe not right away, but

2490
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:13,800
Speaker 2: do you see those two things combining him possibly making

2491
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:18,640
Speaker 2: Taekwon something of a weapon for us, assuming.

2492
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:19,000
Speaker 6: He stays healthy.

2493
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2494
01:53:19,680 --> 01:53:20,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks you laughing.

2495
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:23,240
Speaker 3: I'm not laughing at that, I promise I'm not. I'm

2496
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 3: laughing at myself because I'm not doing Taekwon again. I'm

2497
01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:29,240
Speaker 3: not doing it. I have fallen for the cheese with

2498
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 3: Taekwon Thornton way too often. But this could be the

2499
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:34,920
Speaker 3: time after they drafted him. You want to draft fast guys,

2500
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:38,280
Speaker 3: you draft fast guys. I watched his tape again. Remember

2501
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:40,799
Speaker 3: I wasn't really super into him before.

2502
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:43,040
Speaker 1: The of the release package, and then I got into

2503
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 1: the fricking release package.

2504
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:47,880
Speaker 3: I got into him after they drafted him. I watched

2505
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:49,160
Speaker 3: him more of his tail. I was like, okay, I

2506
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:50,840
Speaker 3: can see it now, I can see a little bit more.

2507
01:53:51,200 --> 01:53:55,280
Speaker 3: Then remember last year Spring, you were so tiered. Here

2508
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:59,400
Speaker 3: he goes. It was even were he ran through the

2509
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:02,680
Speaker 3: defense once in freaking shorts and a T shirt, and

2510
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:05,200
Speaker 3: I was all in you were so ready, I was

2511
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 3: ready to go. I'm not doing Taekwan again. It's no

2512
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 3: if I swear, I mean no offense to the caller whatsoever.

2513
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:15,000
Speaker 3: I'm just not doing Taekwan again. I can't talk myself

2514
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:15,639
Speaker 3: into it again.

2515
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:17,080
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Troy Franklin?

2516
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:21,400
Speaker 3: Worries me. It does worry me. For the second I

2517
01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 3: think they like him too. It worries me. He's a

2518
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 3: better player than Taekwon.

2519
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:28,080
Speaker 1: He's more. He's not as street. I mean he's he's

2520
01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:30,880
Speaker 1: a very fast player. But like he's he's a much

2521
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:32,680
Speaker 1: better mover. He's a much more fluid mover than t

2522
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:33,960
Speaker 1: And that's the.

2523
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:38,880
Speaker 3: Big He's Troy Franklin runs routes. Taekwon runs track. That's

2524
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:41,480
Speaker 3: the bottom line. Like Troy Franklin can run routes, he

2525
01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 3: can get open off the line of screamage. He has

2526
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:46,760
Speaker 3: a legitimate release package, not me gushing about Taekwan's one.

2527
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:49,720
Speaker 1: This is this is not a linear athlete. I remember

2528
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 1: were your exact words.

2529
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:53,960
Speaker 3: No, he's a linear athlete. I will say, though the

2530
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:56,520
Speaker 3: Patriots director of player personnel told me he wasn't a

2531
01:54:56,560 --> 01:55:00,880
Speaker 3: linear athlete. I took his word for it. Uh, Troy

2532
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:03,080
Speaker 3: fron thinker run routes. The comparison that I made for

2533
01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 3: Troy Franklin was actually Jerry Judy because I see a

2534
01:55:07,240 --> 01:55:10,920
Speaker 3: lot of the play strength hands drops you know, in

2535
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:13,480
Speaker 3: play strength are going to be the two big concerns

2536
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 3: with Troy Franklin, But both of them are extremely crafty

2537
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:21,120
Speaker 3: and technically sound, rapp and savvy outrunners. You know, try

2538
01:55:21,160 --> 01:55:24,280
Speaker 3: Franklin's got some really really flashy routes on his tape

2539
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:26,720
Speaker 3: where he's not just straight you know nine routes, like

2540
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:29,080
Speaker 3: where he's breaking down and he's he's getting open at

2541
01:55:29,080 --> 01:55:31,640
Speaker 3: the top of the route before you wrap. We've talked

2542
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:34,720
Speaker 3: a lot about wide receivers. We talked a lot about debo, rightfully,

2543
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:36,879
Speaker 3: so we haven't talked a ton about tackles.

2544
01:55:37,240 --> 01:55:39,600
Speaker 1: Talk about because there's not to talk about it.

2545
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:45,920
Speaker 3: So Byron, em Milton or sorry this is Junior from

2546
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 3: Canon says Byron, but Junior from Canton says, I know

2547
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:51,520
Speaker 3: you guys have to discussed double dipping at wide receiver

2548
01:55:51,680 --> 01:55:54,080
Speaker 3: this past year. But assuming Adie Mitchell goes to the

2549
01:55:54,120 --> 01:55:57,720
Speaker 3: Bills at thirty three, how would you feel double dipping

2550
01:55:57,840 --> 01:55:59,840
Speaker 3: at tackle? For example, what if you came out of

2551
01:56:00,440 --> 01:56:03,160
Speaker 3: King klesium Attia at thirty four and Roger Rose and

2552
01:56:03,200 --> 01:56:06,240
Speaker 3: Garden at sixty eight. I've been really big on the

2553
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:09,200
Speaker 3: third and fourth round double dip it tackle quarterback receiver

2554
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:13,280
Speaker 3: tackle tackle because I think at those two spots, if

2555
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:16,400
Speaker 3: you take some flyers on the developmental tackles in this draft,

2556
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:21,920
Speaker 3: Brandon Coleman, Blake Fisher, Javon Foster, Christian Jones, like some

2557
01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 3: of those guys that have potential to be steals. I

2558
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:31,520
Speaker 3: think that you have on Wnu they apparently like Chukes

2559
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:33,960
Speaker 3: the Corps four more than we do, so you do

2560
01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:37,240
Speaker 3: have if you take them at Kieran from Yale, the

2561
01:56:37,320 --> 01:56:40,880
Speaker 3: other one that I forgot, those types of guys. If

2562
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:43,320
Speaker 3: you take those guys that are more projects but have

2563
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 3: the tools, Blake Fisher, I think they're gonna be on.

2564
01:56:46,040 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 3: So those guys I think might have a little bit

2565
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:51,920
Speaker 3: more leeway because they do have on Winnu and Chukes

2566
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:54,960
Speaker 3: who they like to start week one. Maybe they have

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01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:58,080
Speaker 3: a little bit more of a developmental timeline with those players.

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01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:00,600
Speaker 3: And I do think a guy like Blake Fisher, who's

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01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:02,480
Speaker 3: one of the youngest players in the draft. He's like

2570
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:06,440
Speaker 3: twenty twenty twenty one Kingsley, same thing. Really super young player.

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01:57:07,120 --> 01:57:09,640
Speaker 3: Then those guys, I think maybe you have some chance

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01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:11,560
Speaker 3: there to let them develop and sit it behind the

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01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:12,200
Speaker 3: scenes a little bit.

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01:57:12,280 --> 01:57:14,840
Speaker 1: So I had in my mid draft mock draft, i'd

2575
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:17,160
Speaker 1: them trading back for Trey Franklin. Yeah, and then I

2576
01:57:17,240 --> 01:57:19,920
Speaker 1: had them taking Blake Fisher at sixty eight and Cayden

2577
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:21,000
Speaker 1: Wallace at one oh one.

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01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Perfect. Yeah, I think that that's that's I wouldn't

2579
01:57:24,360 --> 01:57:27,000
Speaker 3: go with that today. I want to go tackle doubleed

2580
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:27,760
Speaker 3: it on day two.

2581
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:29,240
Speaker 1: No, No two and three.

2582
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.

2583
01:57:30,040 --> 01:57:31,880
Speaker 1: How do you feel about sorry to cut you off.

2584
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:33,320
Speaker 3: No, yeah, we were on the same page.

2585
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:36,480
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Zack Center? I got really

2586
01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:38,360
Speaker 1: into him over the last week week and a half.

2587
01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 1: I know he only played guard at Michigan, but he's

2588
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 1: built like a tackle. People think he can play tackle.

2589
01:57:43,120 --> 01:57:45,560
Speaker 1: He's a red shirt player. How do you feel about

2590
01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:47,240
Speaker 1: Zack Center? Not today tomorrow.

2591
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 3: I think he's a guard, nor like mostly because of

2592
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:56,680
Speaker 3: footspeed in a short corner. I think I tackle. Also

2593
01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:59,600
Speaker 3: doesn't played tackle, so it's that's a big time projection.

2594
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:04,840
Speaker 3: But I I'm always maybe in the minority with this.

2595
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:09,440
Speaker 3: I love offensive lineman, and I love good offensive lineman,

2596
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 3: and he's a good offensive lineman. So if you get

2597
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:14,160
Speaker 3: him in the building and he ends up playing guard

2598
01:58:14,200 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 3: for you because Cole Strange is a bust and you

2599
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:18,640
Speaker 3: need a left guard, or he ends up playing center

2600
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:21,480
Speaker 3: because David Andrews retires in a year, I think he's

2601
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:24,280
Speaker 3: a guard. Some people think he's a center. Some people

2602
01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:26,840
Speaker 3: think it's a tackle. You know, he's gonna play somewhere,

2603
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:27,280
Speaker 3: is it there?

2604
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:28,560
Speaker 1: But he's a good player.

2605
01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:31,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's definitely value in. He's also a good.

2606
01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:34,560
Speaker 1: Player someween captain. He's got that whole thing going.

2607
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:36,120
Speaker 3: That's why I think a lot of people think he's

2608
01:58:36,120 --> 01:58:41,680
Speaker 3: the center, because he's smart. He's like, is he six, Yeah,

2609
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:46,840
Speaker 3: it's tall six, I don't know, but yeah, I think

2610
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:49,280
Speaker 3: all those guys though, you know, there'll be guys that

2611
01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:51,520
Speaker 3: will fall to you know, we all think that some

2612
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:54,160
Speaker 3: of these guys are maybe you know not maybe he's enter,

2613
01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:57,879
Speaker 3: but some of these tackles that we met six he's probably.

2614
01:58:57,720 --> 01:58:59,120
Speaker 1: Thirty three and a half inch arms.

2615
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:02,040
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's a little too big to play to play guard,

2616
01:59:02,360 --> 01:59:04,440
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Like he might be a tackle, Yeah,

2617
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:07,440
Speaker 3: it's possible. I think we get we always project and

2618
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:10,000
Speaker 3: we try it fast, but there's always gonna be guys

2619
01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:11,760
Speaker 3: that are gonna fall to like fourth to sixth round

2620
01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:14,280
Speaker 3: out of nowhere. You know, who knows who that will be.

2621
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:15,280
Speaker 8: But I like that.

2622
01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:18,680
Speaker 3: I think that at tackle they have a little bit

2623
01:59:18,760 --> 01:59:21,480
Speaker 3: more leeway in terms of development than they do at receiver,

2624
01:59:21,960 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 3: and I think that, yeah, the Brass is going to

2625
01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:25,840
Speaker 3: look at it just based off of what I've heard

2626
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:28,600
Speaker 3: and what I think. I think the Patriots and Elliot

2627
01:59:28,720 --> 01:59:30,600
Speaker 3: Wolf are going to look at it and say, the

2628
01:59:30,720 --> 01:59:32,720
Speaker 3: receiver is going to make a Day one impact for us,

2629
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 3: because our depth chart at receiver is not very good.

2630
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:39,360
Speaker 3: So if we draft ad Mitchell, if we draft lad McConkie,

2631
01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:41,960
Speaker 3: if we draft you know, one of these other receivers,

2632
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:45,000
Speaker 3: Troy Franklin, even we're not crazy about Keon Coleman, who

2633
01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:46,640
Speaker 3: we're not crazy about, maybe they like them better than

2634
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:48,840
Speaker 3: we do. That player is going to come in and

2635
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:52,640
Speaker 3: he's going to make a rookie impact, Whereas at tackle,

2636
01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:56,400
Speaker 3: we're probably looking at that guy being like a year two,

2637
01:59:56,760 --> 01:59:59,080
Speaker 3: year three developmental prospect. You know, maybe by his second

2638
01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:01,960
Speaker 3: season he's a starter for us. So that's why I

2639
02:00:02,120 --> 02:00:05,200
Speaker 3: have always been receiver first, then tackle, because I would

2640
02:00:05,240 --> 02:00:07,720
Speaker 3: just rather go that unless like look Ailey, Tyler, Guitton

2641
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:10,080
Speaker 3: or one of these guys fell which didn't happen. So

2642
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:14,320
Speaker 3: that's it, you know. On that. I think tonight we

2643
02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:17,920
Speaker 3: come away, we have receiver tackle. I think they're going chock.

2644
02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:20,560
Speaker 3: I think they're sticking chalk in this draft, Alex. I

2645
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:23,040
Speaker 3: think we're going to receiver tackle tonight. I think receiver

2646
02:00:23,120 --> 02:00:26,000
Speaker 3: at thirty four, maybe a trade down and then receiver

2647
02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:29,840
Speaker 3: at forty as sure, whatever, but receiver tackle. See you

2648
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:30,360
Speaker 3: on Day three.

2649
02:00:30,440 --> 02:00:32,480
Speaker 1: The only thing is if they moved back, and I

2650
02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:34,880
Speaker 1: think they're gonna move back if they add an extra

2651
02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:38,360
Speaker 1: Day three, a Day two pick. I do think they

2652
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:41,879
Speaker 1: mix in defense, whether that be a safety, Cam Kitchens,

2653
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:45,920
Speaker 1: Daydre and Taylor Demerson, maybe an edge rusher. Does Austin

2654
02:00:45,960 --> 02:00:46,960
Speaker 1: Booker come into play?

2655
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:47,560
Speaker 8: Right?

2656
02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:50,520
Speaker 1: So if you move back from thirty four, there's a

2657
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:53,200
Speaker 1: trade with the Packers, it's like thirty four for forty

2658
02:00:53,240 --> 02:00:55,920
Speaker 1: one and eighty eight. I could see them going either

2659
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:57,960
Speaker 1: defense at eighty eight or maybe there's a tackle they

2660
02:00:58,000 --> 02:00:59,920
Speaker 1: really like later and they go defense at sixty eight.

2661
02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:02,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, if they make three picks today, I would

2662
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:04,440
Speaker 1: not be surprized if one of those on defense.

2663
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, that's gonna do it for us. Just

2664
02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:09,120
Speaker 3: a couple hour break Marine, what do we eat? Six

2665
02:01:09,240 --> 02:01:14,560
Speaker 3: thirty six thirty for Patriots Unfillered live here tonight for

2666
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:16,800
Speaker 3: day two of the draft. We should be on the

2667
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:19,560
Speaker 3: air for both the Patriots picks. I would think at

2668
02:01:19,640 --> 02:01:21,760
Speaker 3: thirty four and sixty eight, and then Alex and I

2669
02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:23,560
Speaker 3: will be back next week to break down the.

2670
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:26,600
Speaker 1: Entire draft for the Patriots Tuesday, right, we might.

2671
02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:28,920
Speaker 3: Do Tuesday just to have a quicker turnaround so that

2672
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:31,240
Speaker 3: you're not waiting all the way till Thursday for our

2673
02:01:31,320 --> 02:01:34,640
Speaker 3: opinion on the draft. And it's gonna it's gonna be fun,

2674
02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:37,200
Speaker 3: but it's also gonna be bittersweet on Tuesday because our

2675
02:01:37,320 --> 02:01:40,080
Speaker 3: draft season closed the book, you know, on our time

2676
02:01:40,160 --> 02:01:41,960
Speaker 3: of the year. This is this is our favorite time

2677
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:43,960
Speaker 3: of the year. But we're having fun. We're having a

2678
02:01:44,040 --> 02:01:45,960
Speaker 3: good time. And Alex, I'm sure you'll be all over

2679
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:47,080
Speaker 3: the place on ninety eight five the.

2680
02:01:47,080 --> 02:01:49,680
Speaker 1: Next ninety eight five tonight with Joe Murray. There you

2681
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:52,480
Speaker 1: go in a new sweatshirt. Notice that I've warned this

2682
02:01:52,600 --> 02:01:55,120
Speaker 1: on the show. Nice, No you haven't, I have, no,

2683
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:56,000
Speaker 1: I have, I know.

2684
02:01:56,040 --> 02:01:59,760
Speaker 3: I have, all right. Anyways, I'll see you guys again.

2685
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:01,760
Speaker 3: It's thirty and I will see you guys next week

2686
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:04,000
Speaker 3: here on Cast twenty two. Thanks so so much for listeners.

2687
02:02:04,040 --> 02:02:05,680
Speaker 3: Great to have the callers back. Thanks for calling in,

2688
02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:06,880
Speaker 3: and we'll see you guys soon. Bye.

2689
02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:12,920
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2690
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:16,040
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02:02:16,160 --> 02:02:19,240
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02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:22,360
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