WEBVTT - S2 E8: Madam Nerva Sees Death

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Benjamin Marshall is working alone in the wreckage of

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<v Speaker 1>Vauxhall Baptist Chapel. This area of South London was badly

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<v Speaker 1>bombed earlier in the Blitz, and the church is now unusable.

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<v Speaker 1>A strange fire had then caused further damage, and now

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<v Speaker 1>Marshall is part of the demolition squad tasked with clearing

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<v Speaker 1>the charred debris. The July heat is already building, but

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<v Speaker 1>the fifty year old continues shoveling dirt and rubble in

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<v Speaker 1>this airless basement. Spotting a stone slab leaning up against

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<v Speaker 1>a wall, Marshall decides to move it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was mismeorized.

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<v Speaker 1>Beneath the slab is the body of a women, naked,

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<v Speaker 1>dismembered incomplete. Marshall carefully lifts these pitiful human remains with

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<v Speaker 1>a shovel and calls out to his former It's been

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<v Speaker 1>decades since the last burial here, and this corpse doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>appear to have come from a disturbed grave. Could it

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<v Speaker 1>then be the body of a victim of the Blitz,

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<v Speaker 1>killed in the air raid that blasted the chapel and

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<v Speaker 1>lain undiscovered ever since. That's the conclusion. The woman's killer

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<v Speaker 1>seems to have hoped people would draw. In the chaos

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<v Speaker 1>and carnage of war. Some men assume their crimes will

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<v Speaker 1>go undetected and unpunished. But looking at the mutilated form

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<v Speaker 1>of this woman, it's clear that this is not the

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<v Speaker 1>work of a bomb. The efforts made to disfigure her

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<v Speaker 1>and disguise her identity tell police immediately that this was murder.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the seldom told story of women in World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two who were killed not by the enemy, but

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<v Speaker 1>my husbands, lovers, and strangers, wearing the uniform of their

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<v Speaker 1>own side. It's also the tale of a particular string

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<v Speaker 1>of murder victims that history has swept from view.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Halle Rubinholt and I'm Alice Fines, and you're listening

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<v Speaker 3>to bad Women the Blackout River. Polly Dubinski is not

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<v Speaker 3>the first to come to this little brick house in

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<v Speaker 3>London's gritty East End in search of answers. Madame Nerva

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<v Speaker 3>is expecting her.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you bring what I need?

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<v Speaker 3>Polly holds out a scarf and sweater.

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<v Speaker 2>Here you are.

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<v Speaker 3>They belong to her sister, Rachel Dobkin, who's been missing

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<v Speaker 3>for three days. The clairvoyant ushers Polly inside and then

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<v Speaker 3>takes hold of these items of clothing. They will be

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<v Speaker 3>key to her work, for she practices psychometry. She claims

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<v Speaker 3>that she can read these objects and thereby untangle the

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<v Speaker 3>mystery of Rachel's disappearance. Polly had come to seventeen Underwood

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<v Speaker 3>Road the day before frantically seeking help, but Hilda Nerva

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<v Speaker 3>had been too busy cooking Sunday dinner to go into

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<v Speaker 3>a psychic trance. Today, however, she is ready. Perhaps her

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<v Speaker 3>breathing now grows deep and labored, for she is communing

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<v Speaker 3>with another world.

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<v Speaker 5>I see you fall in the countryside.

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<v Speaker 4>I see missus Dobkin, and she looks, said.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Madame Nerva feels a blow.

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<v Speaker 3>To her head and a choking sensation, as though something

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<v Speaker 3>is tightening about her throat, squeezing, crushing. Oh, she gasps

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<v Speaker 3>for air.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>The vision is clearly not a hopeful one. But Madame

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<v Speaker 3>Nerva isn't working totally blind. She knows the missing woman well.

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<v Speaker 3>Rachel Dobkin is convinced of the psychic's powers, and she

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<v Speaker 3>calls her home regularly. In fact, Rachel came here just

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<v Speaker 3>days ago, asking Madame Nerva to read a piece of

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<v Speaker 3>her jewelry. She was meeting the man who gave it

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<v Speaker 3>to her, and she wanted advice. Sensing great sorrow in

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<v Speaker 3>the gold band, the clairvoyant warned Rachel of grave danger.

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<v Speaker 5>Will you promise me you won't go.

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<v Speaker 3>Rachel pledged that she would not see the man. This

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<v Speaker 3>isn't a story about the Blackout Ripper, to which we'll

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<v Speaker 3>return next episode. Rachel Dobkin wasn't in the habit of

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<v Speaker 3>frequenting Western nightclubs, but she faced a danger no less.

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<v Speaker 3>Chilling in Madame Nerva's hand was her wedding ring, and

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<v Speaker 3>the man she'd promised to avoid was her own husband.

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<v Speaker 1>In the spring of eighteen eighty one, Russia's Czar Alexander

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<v Speaker 1>the Second was returning from a military parade to the

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<v Speaker 1>Winter Palace, taking his customary route, when revolutionaries at the

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<v Speaker 1>roadside threw a bomb under his carriage. The Russian monarch's

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<v Speaker 1>step down from seeming unhurt, only for a second explosion

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<v Speaker 1>to tear through the Royal party and its bodyguards. The

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<v Speaker 1>assassinations sparked a series of vicious anti Jewish riots pogroms.

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<v Speaker 6>The Christians attacked the houses and shops of the Jews

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<v Speaker 6>indiscriminately by smashing doors and breaking windows.

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<v Speaker 1>Only one of the ten convicted plotters was actually Jewish,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Jewish people as a whole were blamed. They

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<v Speaker 1>were made to pay with their businesses and homes and

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<v Speaker 1>in blood.

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<v Speaker 6>One hundred houses were pinached, a quantity of furniture being

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<v Speaker 6>thrown out into the street. Two hundred people were injured

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<v Speaker 6>during the riots.

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel Dobkins's parents, Barnet and Sarah Dubinski, were in the

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<v Speaker 1>eye of the storm. Their province in what is now Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 1>saw brutal violence, and in the decade that followed the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>situation only grew worse. Imperial Russia imposed both petty restrictions

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<v Speaker 1>and serious hardships on the Jewish population. For example, businesses

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<v Speaker 1>could refuse to employ Jews, so many eked out of poultry,

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<v Speaker 1>living in the poorest paying trades. Given the violence and

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<v Speaker 1>economic hardships, its little wonder that by eighteen ninety two,

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<v Speaker 1>Barnet and Sarah had joined the millions of Jews seeking

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<v Speaker 1>a new life abroad.

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<v Speaker 3>The refugees traveled overland, at first, mostly boarding and disembarking

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<v Speaker 3>steam locomotives that puffed and shrieked their way west. At

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<v Speaker 3>the German frontier. Some travelers were packed onto special sealed trains.

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<v Speaker 3>Fearing the polluting influence of the migrant Jewish duch Underer,

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<v Speaker 3>the Prussian authorities sought to limit their contact with the

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<v Speaker 3>German population and assuade them from settling. Conditions on the

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<v Speaker 3>journey could be abominable. Travelers were treated like prisoners and

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<v Speaker 3>deprived of access to adequate food and water.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very hot and close and altogether.

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<v Speaker 3>Uncomfortable, said one voyager.

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<v Speaker 7>I cannot see even now how the officers could allow

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<v Speaker 7>such a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really dangerous.

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<v Speaker 3>But eventually the travelers would have reached Germany's coast, where

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<v Speaker 3>the train doors would have opened. Sarah and Barnet would

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<v Speaker 3>then have bordered a steamship to cross the North Sea

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<v Speaker 3>to Britain.

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<v Speaker 1>When Barnet and Sarah arrived in London, they settled in

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<v Speaker 1>the already bustling Jewish community of Whitechapel. According to social

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<v Speaker 1>researcher Charles Booth, some ninety percent of London's Jewish population

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<v Speaker 1>resided in the city's grim East End, and Yiddish was

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<v Speaker 1>spoken on the streets. The quarter was also a reputed

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<v Speaker 1>sink of misery and degeneracy. Filthy, overcrowded, and stinking of

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<v Speaker 1>rot and refuse. Whitechapel was also notorious for the recent

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<v Speaker 1>string of savage murders that had been perpetrated on its

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<v Speaker 1>dingy narrow streets. In the time since Polly Nichols, Annie Chapman,

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Stride, Kate Eddos and Mary jen Kelly had been

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<v Speaker 1>killed here, some of the most depressing slums had been

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<v Speaker 1>cleared and change was under way, but the East End

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<v Speaker 1>remained of grave concern to politicians and reformers. Studying the

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish community in particular, Charles Booth noted that these immigrants formed.

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<v Speaker 8>A permanent layer of poverty, verging on destitution.

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<v Speaker 1>East End Jews worked in trades such as tailoring and

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<v Speaker 1>boot making, but regular employment was hard to come by,

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<v Speaker 1>and many of those who laboured in the garment industry,

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<v Speaker 1>like catmaker Barnet, carried out peace work at home, were

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<v Speaker 1>toiled and cramped workshops under terrible conditions and for little pay.

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<v Speaker 1>The medical journal The Lancet investigated.

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<v Speaker 6>The condition of Jewish tailors in the East End of London.

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<v Speaker 1>Its findings carried anti Semitic overtones, attitudes not uncommon at

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<v Speaker 1>the time.

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<v Speaker 6>Our commissioners found them working in unwholesome, over crowded houses.

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<v Speaker 6>Such people were wanting in even the more elementary habits

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<v Speaker 6>of cleanliness, which are possessed by the poorest of English people.

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<v Speaker 1>The Dubinskis themselves lived in a house were home life

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<v Speaker 1>and work life melded. The building was divided into tailoring workshops.

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<v Speaker 1>It was here, in August eighteen ninety two, amid rolls

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<v Speaker 1>of cloth and spindles of thread, that Sarah gave birth

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<v Speaker 1>to a baby girl. For Jewish women newly arrived in

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<v Speaker 1>a foreign land and separated from the support of their families,

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<v Speaker 1>childbirth could be a lonely and frightening experience. Sarah might

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<v Speaker 1>have been attended by a bobba or a handywoman, a

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<v Speaker 1>local not formally trained in midwifery, but who would have

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<v Speaker 1>been trusted by the community. Nonetheless, the couple named their

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<v Speaker 1>new arrival Rachel. More Dubinski children followed, and by the

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<v Speaker 1>time she was nine, Rachel had four younger siblings. Although

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<v Speaker 1>some decried the standards of sanitation and Jewish homes, others

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<v Speaker 1>remarked that the children of Jewish immigrants were generally in

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<v Speaker 1>better health than their gentile counterparts. One school board president

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<v Speaker 1>thought that.

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<v Speaker 8>The improved morality of Jewish parents and the care which

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<v Speaker 8>their religion demanded as to food, was largely the cause

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<v Speaker 8>of their superiority over English children.

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<v Speaker 1>The disease rickets, which left many working class children with

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<v Speaker 1>weak and deformed bones, was less common in Jewish homes.

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<v Speaker 1>Medical experts suggested that this was because of diet. Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>women often banded together to bulk by fish at the

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<v Speaker 1>local market, herring in particular, a source of protein and

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<v Speaker 1>bone strengthening vitamin D. Other observers noted the self sacrificing

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<v Speaker 1>care and devotion that Jewish parents showed to their children,

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<v Speaker 1>but illness could still devastate family life, and April nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>o one, baby Hannah Dubinski contracted whooping cough. The sound

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<v Speaker 1>of her gasping breath would have rung through their cramped dwelling.

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<v Speaker 1>Starved of oxygen, her tiny body would have at first

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<v Speaker 1>convulsed and then fallen still as her rattling breaths ceased.

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<v Speaker 3>All together, Immigrant fortunes could rise and fall. A worker

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<v Speaker 3>might switch back and forth between the roles of employee

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<v Speaker 3>and employer over a lifetime, flush one year, bankrupt the next,

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<v Speaker 3>but despite the hardships and tragedies they suffered. The Dubinski

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<v Speaker 3>family moved on the whole upwards. They were among the

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<v Speaker 3>deserving poor, granted a home in the Leylan Buildings, a

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<v Speaker 3>new housing development that had risen on the ruins of

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<v Speaker 3>an infamous slum. The red brick tenement complex radiated out

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<v Speaker 3>from a central park and was intended to accommodate policemen, nurses, teachers,

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<v Speaker 3>and other workers of good moral character. There were even shops, schools,

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<v Speaker 3>and laundries on site. The Dubinskis and their lodger, A

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<v Speaker 3>bram Vogel, took up residents in three rooms. Their quarters

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<v Speaker 3>would have been compact for seven people, to say the least,

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<v Speaker 3>but they would all the same have felt pleased with

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<v Speaker 3>their new home. Rachel grew into a petite young woman

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<v Speaker 3>with dark hair and a thoughtful, arresting gaze. She was

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<v Speaker 3>quiet and anxious on occasion. By eighteen, she was working

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<v Speaker 3>in the cat making trade, most likely alongside her father. Then,

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<v Speaker 3>when she was twenty eight years old, she was introduced

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<v Speaker 3>to Harry Dobkin. This match was arranged through a Jewish

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<v Speaker 3>marriage broker. As summer turned to autumn in nineteen twenty,

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<v Speaker 3>Rachel and Harry wed at bethnal Green Great Synagogue.

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<v Speaker 7>The place is perfectly good. I don't see what's wrong

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<v Speaker 7>with it.

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<v Speaker 9>I can't do anything more exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Hurry.

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<v Speaker 3>Their union, however, was not a happy one. According to Harry,

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<v Speaker 3>the couple argued bitterly from the start.

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<v Speaker 6>I quarreled with my wife over at the inconvenience of

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<v Speaker 6>the lodgings we were in and told her I had

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<v Speaker 6>rooms were week ago. She refused to go there on

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<v Speaker 6>a left. The marriage has been a failure from the outset.

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<v Speaker 3>This separation came just three days after their nuptials. Historian

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Ginger Frost doubts that disagreements about accommodation alone would

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<v Speaker 3>have caused such a split.

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<v Speaker 9>That's really fast. There's something they're not saying about what

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<v Speaker 9>happened there is what I thought. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 9>it was, but something that bad within a few days

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<v Speaker 9>could have been sexual incompatibility. Maybe there was just instant

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<v Speaker 9>dislike that's possible.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps Harry Dobkin was violent in those first few days.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps two sex was an unpleasant, even traumatic experience for

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<v Speaker 3>rachel Girls and young women generally received little by way

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<v Speaker 3>of sex education, to the point that a pregnant woman

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<v Speaker 3>might have no idea how the baby growing inside her

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<v Speaker 3>would actually leave her body. Harry was gone, but the

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<v Speaker 3>couple had been together long enough for Rachel to conceive

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<v Speaker 3>a child nine months after they wed and then separated.

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<v Speaker 3>Baby Stanley was born at the City of London Maternity

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<v Speaker 3>Hospital under the eye of medical professionals. Such care was

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<v Speaker 3>a luxury beyond the means of many women, so when

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<v Speaker 3>Rachel was admitted, it was probably through a charitable scheme.

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<v Speaker 8>Single women who are sufficiently recommended.

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<v Speaker 5>Said the hospital rules, and are.

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<v Speaker 8>Found to be deserving of the benefits of the hospital's

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<v Speaker 8>charity will be eligible for admission for their first confinement.

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<v Speaker 3>On Stanley's birth certificate, Rachel wrote that both she and

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<v Speaker 3>Harry were residing at the same address, but her husband

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<v Speaker 3>was who knows where, for he'd gone to see as

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<v Speaker 3>a third class steward on an ocean liner. The couple

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<v Speaker 3>may have separated, but their lives remain knotted together. Their

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<v Speaker 3>meetings would become ever more acrimonious, and in the coming years,

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<v Speaker 3>Harry Dobkin would wage an awful campaign of threats and

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<v Speaker 3>violence against his ever more fragile wife. Bad Women, the

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<v Speaker 3>Blackout ripper will be back after this short break.

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<v Speaker 8>State your full name for the record.

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Dobkin had clearly not been providing for his family

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<v Speaker 1>and was summoned to the imposing Old Street Police Court,

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<v Speaker 1>where he was ordered to pay the sum of one

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<v Speaker 1>pound per week to his wife and child, a considerable

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<v Speaker 1>portion of his earnings. Divorce was expensive, difficult to obtain,

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<v Speaker 1>and carry the stigma, so the pair chose to remain married.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Ginger Frost, such messy separations often crippled both parties.

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<v Speaker 9>Usually separations come, it's usually years of marriage. The woman

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<v Speaker 9>will do a lot to avoid it because the separation

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<v Speaker 9>payments you get are not the same as having a breadwinner.

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<v Speaker 9>They're not enough really to keep you in any children.

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<v Speaker 9>So she has to work. That means somebody has to

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<v Speaker 9>take care of the kids. It just doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>Harry paid the sum for a few weeks perhaps, but

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<v Speaker 1>then fell into arrears. He was again holed up at

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<v Speaker 1>court and sentenced to six weeks in prison. This measure

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<v Speaker 1>was ultimately intended to discourage nonpayment, but of course while

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<v Speaker 1>Harry was in prison, his income was halted.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm going to jow that happens all the time. Men

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<v Speaker 9>can never make these payments because you can't keep two

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<v Speaker 9>households on that. She can't keep her household on that,

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<v Speaker 9>and he can't keep his on that. You got to

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<v Speaker 9>live with somebody else. He didn't appear to want another relationship,

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<v Speaker 9>but if he ever wanted to have another one, he

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<v Speaker 9>couldn't afford it because he was paying so much of

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<v Speaker 9>his pay to her. So conflict on that really common.

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<v Speaker 1>When Harry left prison, he took a job aboard the

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<v Speaker 1>s S. Pittsburgh of the White Star Line, sailed away

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<v Speaker 1>and did not return for ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>How Rachel made ends meet in Harry's absence is unclear.

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<v Speaker 3>It's doubtful he sent money back. When Harry Dobkin finally

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<v Speaker 3>returned from c he says relatives tried to engineer a

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<v Speaker 3>rapprochemund to bring the husband and wife back together again.

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<v Speaker 3>He even claimed he was offered money to reunite with

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<v Speaker 3>Rachel eight pounds, So the unhappy pair lived together briefly

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<v Speaker 3>for According to Harry, the arguments erupted again.

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<v Speaker 6>And then discovered that all my seamen's discharge papers were

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<v Speaker 6>missing and accused my wife of taking them. She accused

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<v Speaker 6>me of taking a broach belonging to her.

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<v Speaker 7>Go on, tell me where you put it. I've got

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<v Speaker 7>right to the police.

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<v Speaker 6>I was arrested and charged stealing. The following day, I

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<v Speaker 6>appeared at Old Street police call, but a case was dismissed.

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<v Speaker 3>The apartment was rented in Harry's name, but he said

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<v Speaker 3>that he left and moved back in with his parents.

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<v Speaker 3>He bemoaned that thereafter Rachel continually reported him for non

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<v Speaker 3>payment of their maintenance agreement, and he spent several short

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<v Speaker 3>spells behind bars. By Harry's account, Rachel was an exasperating nuisance.

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<v Speaker 3>His sister Annie described how she would turn up at

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<v Speaker 3>her home causing trouble.

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<v Speaker 5>She called at all hours and kicked up a row.

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<v Speaker 3>There is, however, another side to this story. In January

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen thirty five, someone tried to set a fire on

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<v Speaker 3>Rachel's doorstep at five am. An employee of the housing

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<v Speaker 3>block was sent to survey the considerable.

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<v Speaker 8>Damage from the lockdownwards. The door had been burned almost through.

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<v Speaker 8>It looked as though someone had put some oily rag

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<v Speaker 8>and paper against the door and had set light to him.

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<v Speaker 3>Terrified, Rachel was convinced that Harry was behind the arsen attack.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps it was an attempt to merely intimidate her, or

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps it was a bid to end the union permanently.

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<v Speaker 3>Rachel didn't pursue her husband through the courts, and no

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<v Speaker 3>charges were laid against him.

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<v Speaker 1>The residents of Whitechapel erected barricades and readied themselves to

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<v Speaker 1>repel the invaders. In almost medieval scenes, cobbles and paving

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<v Speaker 1>stones were lifted in preparation to pelt the approaching enemy,

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<v Speaker 1>and those in upstairs windows boiled water to rain down

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<v Speaker 1>on their foes. Mounted police charged the locals of this

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish neighborhood, hoping the blows from their truncheons would clear

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<v Speaker 1>a path through. The thousands assembled, a path that would

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<v Speaker 1>allow Sir Oswald Moseley and his black shirted British fascists

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<v Speaker 1>to stage a provocative months the police could make a

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<v Speaker 1>little headway, the barriers were too numerous, the crowds too enraged,

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<v Speaker 1>the hail of stones too thick. The fascist procession would

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<v Speaker 1>have to take another wart. We are through street, complained

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<v Speaker 1>the Blackshirts when they were denied the chance to struck

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<v Speaker 1>past synagogues, Jewish homes and Jewish businesses, raising their stiff

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<v Speaker 1>armed Nazi salutes. The black Shirt leader topped openly of

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<v Speaker 1>expelling Jews from the country, and amongst his rabble rousing accusations,

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<v Speaker 1>he blamed the Jewish garment workshops of Whitechapel for the

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<v Speaker 1>woes of an industry hit by the Great Depression. Bloodied

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<v Speaker 1>and bested, the Blackshirts at last retreated and marched away

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<v Speaker 1>from the East End. Moseley had humiliatingly lost the Battle

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<v Speaker 1>of Cable Street and went to Berlin to lick his wounds,

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<v Speaker 1>where he also found time to marry his fiancee. Under

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<v Speaker 1>the gaze of Hitler himself.

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<v Speaker 3>The doctor examined the bruising on Rachel Dobkins's arms and face.

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<v Speaker 3>What caused this, he asked his patient, my husband, she replied,

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<v Speaker 3>When Rachel returned with a black eye, Doctor Murphy made

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<v Speaker 3>a record of the assault.

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<v Speaker 2>My sister's husband has been very cruel to her.

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<v Speaker 3>Polly Dubinsky was eleven years younger than Rachel, but she

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<v Speaker 3>kept a protective eye on her older sister.

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<v Speaker 7>She has received severe blows from him at different times.

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<v Speaker 3>Friend Sadie Zimbler also saw Rachel's black eyes and purple bruises.

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<v Speaker 5>She told me that he was a violent man. And

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<v Speaker 5>I advised her to keep away from him.

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<v Speaker 3>Although they lived apart, Rachel's meetings with Harry could still

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<v Speaker 3>flare into disagreement, and Harry would try to win these

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<v Speaker 3>disputes with his fists. The abuse inflicted such trauma that

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<v Speaker 3>Rachel became unable to work. It seems that Harry's attempts

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<v Speaker 3>to silence his wife only made her even more reliant

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<v Speaker 3>on his maintenance payments.

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<v Speaker 2>Harry.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen thirty seven, Rachel in the street so hard

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<v Speaker 3>that she suffered a so called mental lapse. Unbeknownst to

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<v Speaker 3>her family, she was sent to an observation board in

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<v Speaker 3>nearby Saint Clement's Hospital. The treatment of mental illness was changing.

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<v Speaker 3>Lunatics were now patience and no longer insane, but of

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<v Speaker 3>unsound mind. Mental ill health was an ailment, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>a temporary one, rather than an identity. Previously, doctors waited

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<v Speaker 3>until people were so ill that they could be certified

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<v Speaker 3>insane and sent to an asylum. But now observation wards

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<v Speaker 3>welcomed patients like Rachel and then decided whether they needed

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<v Speaker 3>more intensive treatment a period of convalescence, or had recovered

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<v Speaker 3>sufficiently to be discharged. When Rachel's siblings, Polly, Mary and Nathan,

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<v Speaker 3>marched through the doors of the hospital two days later

0:25:28.076 --> 0:25:31.076
<v Speaker 3>to retrieve her. They were adamant that their sister was

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<v Speaker 3>quite well enough to leave. Rachel was said to be frightened.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure I'm quite well, and.

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<v Speaker 3>She described fiery feelings on the crown of her head giddiness.

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<v Speaker 3>Though her time in hospital was short, the suggestion that

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<v Speaker 3>Rachel was of unsound mind would haunt her in the

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<v Speaker 3>coming years, prompting some to discount her growing concerns about

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<v Speaker 3>her abusive husband.

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<v Speaker 8>So that's one Russian tea will be wanting something to

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<v Speaker 8>eat as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Maud Air didn't know the agitated man ordering food at

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<v Speaker 1>her son's case on an August day in nineteen thirty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>The customer, Harry Dobkin, talked to waiting staff, then approached Maud.

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<v Speaker 6>My wife is pregnant. She's threatened to have an illegal operation.

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<v Speaker 6>Will you come and have a talk with her and

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<v Speaker 6>persuade her not.

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<v Speaker 2>To do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Maud followed Harry Dobkin back to his nearby rented room.

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<v Speaker 1>He was earning a living making and selling aprons, and

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<v Speaker 1>the space was both home and workshop. Inside, she found Rachel.

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<v Speaker 5>She then said, I'm pregnant. I have a boy of

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<v Speaker 5>eighteen and I don't want to go through with another one.

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<v Speaker 5>I've paid the money and I'm going to have an

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<v Speaker 5>illegal operation tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Maud explained to the englishwoman that the procedure would be dangerous.

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<v Speaker 5>I told her not to be silly and go through

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<v Speaker 5>and have the child.

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel, who admitted that she had already tried to end

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<v Speaker 1>the pregnancy by swallowing anti malarial drug, seemed to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to this advice.

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<v Speaker 2>I will not have it done. Will you speak to

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<v Speaker 2>my husband.

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel's husband, however, had already left. He'd gone to report

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<v Speaker 1>her to the police. Interviewed by officers, Rachel described how

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<v Speaker 1>Harry's abuse had escalated during one of her visits to

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<v Speaker 1>seek her overdue alimony.

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<v Speaker 2>About a fortnight ago.

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<v Speaker 7>My husband forced himself for me and had intercourse, although

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<v Speaker 7>I did not wish it.

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<v Speaker 1>This accusation of rape, denied by Harry, seems not to

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<v Speaker 1>have interested the police. A wife couldn't deny her husband's sex,

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<v Speaker 1>said the law, but seeking an abortion was an offense.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd happily investigate. Husband and wife disagreed about who'd insisted

0:28:01.916 --> 0:28:05.916
<v Speaker 1>on the termination, but Rachel was not, in fact pregnant.

0:28:06.836 --> 0:28:09.436
<v Speaker 1>A doctor who examined her at the behesse of the

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<v Speaker 1>police concluded that she was going through the menopause and

0:28:13.276 --> 0:28:19.316
<v Speaker 1>suffering from menopausal neurosis that made her a borderline mental case.

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<v Speaker 1>In their final report, police noted that Rachel was unreliable,

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<v Speaker 1>rambling and suffering from bad nerves. Despite Rachel's accusations of violence,

0:28:32.356 --> 0:28:36.036
<v Speaker 1>the police decided that Harry and Rachel were essentially as

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<v Speaker 1>bad as one another.

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<v Speaker 8>Both mister and missus Dobkins are very vindictive towards each other.

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<v Speaker 8>There is no doubt Harry Dobkins tries to avoid payment

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<v Speaker 8>of the maintenance order. She in turn molests him whenever possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Homicide expert Professor Jane Mounkton Smith is familiar with such

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<v Speaker 1>explanations of domestic violence.

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<v Speaker 10>The six of one half a dozen of the other

0:29:00.556 --> 0:29:05.316
<v Speaker 10>narrative I think is incredibly damaging to victims, especially of

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<v Speaker 10>control and abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>We sent Jane the files on Rachel DIDs and she

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<v Speaker 1>felt that the police were wrongly dismissive of Rachel's plight.

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<v Speaker 10>He wasn't living with her, so he's coming in from

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<v Speaker 10>outside and forcing himself on her and this woman is

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<v Speaker 10>left to deal with the consequences of his violence time

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<v Speaker 10>and time and time again. And you do not see

0:29:28.836 --> 0:29:32.236
<v Speaker 10>that being spoken about in any of the records. The

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<v Speaker 10>violence is almost spoken about as if well, they had

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<v Speaker 10>that kind of relationship. So that's what was going on,

0:29:38.236 --> 0:29:40.916
<v Speaker 10>and she was a bit crazy anyway. So poor guy.

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<v Speaker 10>She was on the road to losing her life, absolutely definitely,

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<v Speaker 10>and not a single person was on her side.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't long after this incident that Rachel started to

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<v Speaker 3>visit the medium Madame Nerva. Spiritualism was immensely popular. Practitioners

0:29:59.116 --> 0:30:02.276
<v Speaker 3>believed that the dead survived in another realm and could

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<v Speaker 3>commune with the living. Sherlock Holmes creator Sir Arthur Conan

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<v Speaker 3>Doyle had even been among spiritualisms celebrity proponents. For historian

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<v Speaker 3>Ginger Frost, its popularity is linked to the upheaval and

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<v Speaker 3>tragedy that unfolded in the first part of the twentieth century.

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<v Speaker 9>So many people died in World War One, and the

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<v Speaker 9>flu epidemic took out even more, and those two whammies

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<v Speaker 9>within a couple of three years of each other. It

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<v Speaker 9>was just disaster, and most people had lost multiple people

0:30:33.196 --> 0:30:35.156
<v Speaker 9>in their lives. They wanted to be able to connect

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<v Speaker 9>to them again. They wanted some hope that they were

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<v Speaker 9>still somewhere. And I can understand that.

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<v Speaker 3>And so seance circles and mediums proliferated.

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<v Speaker 9>Most of them had like a spirit guide who would

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<v Speaker 9>show up, and they'd speak in that guide's voice, and

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<v Speaker 9>the guide would answer questions. Some of them transported things,

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<v Speaker 9>of course, most of them are just concealed them on

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<v Speaker 9>their bodies, but they would just suddenly spout flowers, or

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<v Speaker 9>they would have a relic from another time that would

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<v Speaker 9>be in their hand, or they were seeing things from

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<v Speaker 9>other times. They were going other places without actually leaving

0:31:06.156 --> 0:31:09.116
<v Speaker 9>the room. There were all of these kinds of psychic.

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<v Speaker 3>Phenomen Hilda Nerva, a Polish emigray, told the Psychic News

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<v Speaker 3>that since childhood she'd possessed a strange power that enabled

0:31:18.156 --> 0:31:22.516
<v Speaker 3>her to help other girls with their problems. Rachel certainly

0:31:22.636 --> 0:31:25.996
<v Speaker 3>came burdened with problems, and her relationship with Madame Nerva

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<v Speaker 3>seems to have had a therapeutic quality. This wasn't uncommon.

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<v Speaker 9>You talk out things with them, they're comforting. It's just

0:31:32.996 --> 0:31:34.796
<v Speaker 9>if you think of it that way as kind of therapy.

0:31:34.876 --> 0:31:36.436
<v Speaker 9>It seems like a very healthy to have someone to

0:31:36.476 --> 0:31:38.036
<v Speaker 9>go to and talk to about the stuff and feel

0:31:38.036 --> 0:31:38.836
<v Speaker 9>better when you leave.

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<v Speaker 3>Rachel went to the Little Brick House every other Sunday,

0:31:42.996 --> 0:31:48.196
<v Speaker 3>but April eighth, nineteen forty one, was a Tuesday. Rachel Dobkin,

0:31:48.716 --> 0:31:51.636
<v Speaker 3>now forty eight years old, had a pressing question for

0:31:51.676 --> 0:31:52.396
<v Speaker 3>Madame Nerva.

0:31:53.036 --> 0:31:54.396
<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me something?

0:31:55.516 --> 0:31:58.956
<v Speaker 4>Give me an article and I'll try and get through

0:31:59.036 --> 0:31:59.396
<v Speaker 4>for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Rachel handed over the wedding ring and Madame Nerva entered

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<v Speaker 3>a semi trance.

0:32:05.516 --> 0:32:10.516
<v Speaker 4>You are worried and full of trouble. You are planning

0:32:10.556 --> 0:32:14.756
<v Speaker 4>to go in a few days on a journey to

0:32:14.836 --> 0:32:16.476
<v Speaker 4>meet someone.

0:32:16.756 --> 0:32:17.316
<v Speaker 5>Don't go.

0:32:18.516 --> 0:32:22.396
<v Speaker 4>Leave it to the spirit, friends, and stay where you are.

0:32:22.876 --> 0:32:26.516
<v Speaker 3>The psychic described a vision of Rachel entering a large

0:32:26.596 --> 0:32:28.996
<v Speaker 3>building where she knew there was money for her.

0:32:29.676 --> 0:32:33.956
<v Speaker 5>I see sadness for you. Will you promise not to go?

0:32:34.876 --> 0:32:39.076
<v Speaker 3>Rachel made the promise, but Madame Nerva's words seemed to

0:32:39.116 --> 0:32:44.756
<v Speaker 3>have weighed on her heavily. Bad women the Blackout Ripper

0:32:45.076 --> 0:32:47.236
<v Speaker 3>will be back after this shortbreak.

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<v Speaker 1>Two days after her meeting with Madame Nerva, Rachel called

0:32:56.716 --> 0:33:00.756
<v Speaker 1>at the home of a friend who said she was depressed, anxious,

0:33:01.316 --> 0:33:02.596
<v Speaker 1>and afraid of Harry.

0:33:03.076 --> 0:33:05.556
<v Speaker 7>She told me that her husband would get her sooner

0:33:05.636 --> 0:33:07.556
<v Speaker 7>or later, would finish her.

0:33:08.236 --> 0:33:11.156
<v Speaker 1>Yet the following day day Rachel appears to have had

0:33:11.196 --> 0:33:14.716
<v Speaker 1>a change of heart. On Friday morning, she met with

0:33:14.796 --> 0:33:17.676
<v Speaker 1>her beloved son Stanley, and they arranged to go to

0:33:17.676 --> 0:33:21.956
<v Speaker 1>the cinema later that afternoon. At lunch time, she crossed

0:33:21.956 --> 0:33:24.996
<v Speaker 1>paths with Polly and told her that her husband had

0:33:25.036 --> 0:33:28.596
<v Speaker 1>offered her a pound of onions as a present, food

0:33:28.676 --> 0:33:31.316
<v Speaker 1>being scarce at this stage of the war, and she

0:33:31.716 --> 0:33:37.356
<v Speaker 1>was going to meet him. Harry Dobkins said he encountered

0:33:37.356 --> 0:33:40.276
<v Speaker 1>his wife on the street near his house. He was

0:33:40.316 --> 0:33:42.356
<v Speaker 1>on his way out to sell some aprons.

0:33:42.636 --> 0:33:44.996
<v Speaker 6>It was obvious she had been my infamy.

0:33:45.316 --> 0:33:48.076
<v Speaker 1>Rachel was always trying to lure him back to live

0:33:48.116 --> 0:33:51.396
<v Speaker 1>with her, he said, casting himself in the role of

0:33:51.436 --> 0:33:53.036
<v Speaker 1>the beleagued victim.

0:33:53.236 --> 0:33:55.596
<v Speaker 6>I said, please don't hang around here and cause trouble.

0:33:55.716 --> 0:33:56.956
<v Speaker 6>My mother is very ill.

0:33:57.716 --> 0:34:01.596
<v Speaker 1>They agreed to meet later at a local cafe. The

0:34:01.636 --> 0:34:05.796
<v Speaker 1>proprietors remembered them coming in. She'd seen them together before.

0:34:06.196 --> 0:34:09.476
<v Speaker 5>They sat at a corner table. The woman was very talkative.

0:34:09.996 --> 0:34:13.556
<v Speaker 5>The couple appeared quite friendly and they were not quarreling

0:34:13.676 --> 0:34:14.276
<v Speaker 5>or arguing.

0:34:14.956 --> 0:34:17.236
<v Speaker 1>But Harry told a different story.

0:34:17.756 --> 0:34:19.876
<v Speaker 6>She said, if you don't make peace with me, I'll

0:34:19.916 --> 0:34:22.956
<v Speaker 6>make trouble for you. She was talking in low tones,

0:34:22.996 --> 0:34:26.676
<v Speaker 6>but was a bit hysterical. After this threat, I said,

0:34:26.796 --> 0:34:29.636
<v Speaker 6>I'll consider peace if you will calm yourself and go home.

0:34:30.676 --> 0:34:32.316
<v Speaker 6>She drunk a cup of tea, and as we left

0:34:32.316 --> 0:34:34.756
<v Speaker 6>the tea shop, she said she didn't feel well and

0:34:34.796 --> 0:34:37.356
<v Speaker 6>she was going to her mother's to wear the wireless.

0:34:37.956 --> 0:34:41.156
<v Speaker 1>Harry said. She boarded the number twenty two bus and

0:34:41.236 --> 0:34:45.996
<v Speaker 1>he watched as it lurched away towards Shoredage.

0:34:47.956 --> 0:34:52.236
<v Speaker 3>That evening, Polly finished work and went home early. The

0:34:52.276 --> 0:34:55.516
<v Speaker 3>baby of the family, she hadn't followed her siblings into

0:34:55.516 --> 0:34:59.116
<v Speaker 3>the garment trade, and had instead learnt shorthand typing and

0:34:59.156 --> 0:35:03.436
<v Speaker 3>become a bookkeeper and clerk at a city office. Rachel

0:35:03.676 --> 0:35:06.596
<v Speaker 3>never appeared a flat to rest and listen to the wireless,

0:35:07.156 --> 0:35:10.556
<v Speaker 3>nor did she make it to the cinema with stat. Ordinarily,

0:35:10.636 --> 0:35:12.716
<v Speaker 3>she would call round in the evenings and eat dinner

0:35:12.756 --> 0:35:15.316
<v Speaker 3>with her family, but that night her place at the

0:35:15.356 --> 0:35:19.596
<v Speaker 3>table sat empty. The following morning, there was still no

0:35:19.636 --> 0:35:22.636
<v Speaker 3>sign of her, and Polly felt uneasy enough to let

0:35:22.636 --> 0:35:26.396
<v Speaker 3>herself into Rachel's flat with the spare key. When she

0:35:26.476 --> 0:35:29.756
<v Speaker 3>saw her sister's undisturbed bedsheets and realized that she hadn't

0:35:29.796 --> 0:35:34.196
<v Speaker 3>slept there, Polly felt sure that something terrible had happened.

0:35:39.396 --> 0:35:42.876
<v Speaker 3>At first, the flames licked at the old church ruins,

0:35:43.356 --> 0:35:47.876
<v Speaker 3>dancing across its floorboards and wood paneling. Then they curled

0:35:47.916 --> 0:35:51.636
<v Speaker 3>around what remained of the timber rafters, and soon the

0:35:51.756 --> 0:35:58.956
<v Speaker 3>orange blaze lit up the night skies. Harry Dogkins supplemented

0:35:58.996 --> 0:36:02.036
<v Speaker 3>his income as a part time firewatcher at the warehouse

0:36:02.116 --> 0:36:05.676
<v Speaker 3>next door. Aprons sails had been poor, so he spent

0:36:05.756 --> 0:36:09.076
<v Speaker 3>his nights protecting these premises from the ancendry bombs dropped

0:36:09.196 --> 0:36:12.676
<v Speaker 3>by the Germans. He greeted the police in firefighters when

0:36:12.676 --> 0:36:15.956
<v Speaker 3>they finally arrived, showing them the best route to reach

0:36:16.036 --> 0:36:18.596
<v Speaker 3>the fire that gripped the bombed out ruins of Fauxhall

0:36:18.636 --> 0:36:22.916
<v Speaker 3>Baptist Chapel. The stout little man in whose suit and

0:36:23.036 --> 0:36:26.556
<v Speaker 3>trilby hat, seemed excited and claimed to have tried to

0:36:26.716 --> 0:36:30.196
<v Speaker 3>extinguish the flames, though he hadn't raised the alarm. His

0:36:30.396 --> 0:36:34.636
<v Speaker 3>very role as a fire watcher. One witness recalled a

0:36:34.836 --> 0:36:37.836
<v Speaker 3>strange remark he made, I didn't do it.

0:36:43.836 --> 0:36:48.356
<v Speaker 1>Across town. The Dubinskis were worried sick about Rachel. They

0:36:48.396 --> 0:36:51.716
<v Speaker 1>hadn't seen her for over three days, and they'd alerted

0:36:51.756 --> 0:36:56.076
<v Speaker 1>the police. The only clue was Rachel's handbag that had

0:36:56.116 --> 0:36:59.436
<v Speaker 1>been found thirty miles from the city and which contained

0:36:59.516 --> 0:37:04.196
<v Speaker 1>vital documents such as haration book. Officers searched for the

0:37:04.276 --> 0:37:08.196
<v Speaker 1>missing woman had trained stations and in local hospitals, and

0:37:08.276 --> 0:37:11.876
<v Speaker 1>they wrote extent reports, but they did not take Polly's

0:37:11.876 --> 0:37:18.636
<v Speaker 1>suspicions or the prophecies of Madam Nerva particularly seriously. Instead,

0:37:19.156 --> 0:37:21.596
<v Speaker 1>they pointed to Rachel's mental health history.

0:37:22.356 --> 0:37:23.156
<v Speaker 2>The woman was.

0:37:23.356 --> 0:37:27.476
<v Speaker 1>Clearly troubled, and she'd probably gone and drowned herself, they thought.

0:37:28.276 --> 0:37:31.636
<v Speaker 1>But over the next year, Polly returned time and again

0:37:31.756 --> 0:37:35.476
<v Speaker 1>to the police, imploring them to act now.

0:37:35.556 --> 0:37:38.996
<v Speaker 7>In the character of her husband, I'm reporting this because

0:37:39.076 --> 0:37:42.716
<v Speaker 7>I feel he has had some hand in her disappearance.

0:37:43.316 --> 0:37:47.996
<v Speaker 1>Polly's unrelenting campaign for justice seems to have annoyed the detectives.

0:37:48.636 --> 0:37:52.116
<v Speaker 1>One police file cast doubt on her mental health, saying

0:37:52.196 --> 0:37:55.916
<v Speaker 1>she buckled under the sorrow of Rachel's disappearance and was

0:37:55.996 --> 0:38:02.956
<v Speaker 1>experiencing her hallucinations. Officers did search the chapel, but hampered

0:38:02.956 --> 0:38:08.836
<v Speaker 1>by bomb and fire damage, found nothing, and ultimately it

0:38:08.956 --> 0:38:13.156
<v Speaker 1>was thought inconceivable that Harry Dubkin would have waited over

0:38:13.396 --> 0:38:15.596
<v Speaker 1>twenty years to kill Rachel.

0:38:17.036 --> 0:38:19.876
<v Speaker 8>There is not the slightest indication that Harry Dobkin has

0:38:19.996 --> 0:38:24.236
<v Speaker 8>murdered his wife, as suggested by the missing woman's relations, but.

0:38:24.396 --> 0:38:27.316
<v Speaker 1>Jane Monkton Smith says that to arrive at such a

0:38:27.356 --> 0:38:31.836
<v Speaker 1>conclusion is to totally misunderstand intimate partner violence.

0:38:32.196 --> 0:38:34.556
<v Speaker 10>One thing that we do know about this type of

0:38:34.756 --> 0:38:38.636
<v Speaker 10>homicide is that there's a level of planning in most

0:38:38.796 --> 0:38:41.636
<v Speaker 10>of them, and in some cases they will try and

0:38:41.716 --> 0:38:44.316
<v Speaker 10>make it look like there's been a car accident or

0:38:44.596 --> 0:38:48.436
<v Speaker 10>a strange fall, or even illness. Sometimes that goes on

0:38:48.516 --> 0:38:52.716
<v Speaker 10>a lot, So sometimes these things are never found out,

0:38:52.756 --> 0:38:55.596
<v Speaker 10>and sometimes, yeah, it can take a long time before

0:38:55.636 --> 0:38:56.356
<v Speaker 10>they're uncovered.

0:38:57.236 --> 0:39:01.836
<v Speaker 1>The police also tied themselves in knots to discredit accounts

0:39:01.916 --> 0:39:06.276
<v Speaker 1>of Harry's violence. For instance, Polly may have noticed Rachel's

0:39:06.276 --> 0:39:09.756
<v Speaker 1>bruises and been told how they've been caused, but officers

0:39:09.836 --> 0:39:13.196
<v Speaker 1>noted that Polly had never actually seen Harry strike her

0:39:13.276 --> 0:39:17.636
<v Speaker 1>sister or threaten her life in their questions to witnesses.

0:39:17.996 --> 0:39:21.476
<v Speaker 1>The police also seemed to have been particularly interested and

0:39:21.596 --> 0:39:25.276
<v Speaker 1>how often Rachel contacted Harry, as though this meant she

0:39:25.356 --> 0:39:28.196
<v Speaker 1>could not have seriously feared he would do her harm.

0:39:29.036 --> 0:39:31.836
<v Speaker 10>When I was reading the case notes for this, I

0:39:31.996 --> 0:39:38.436
<v Speaker 10>actually got quite angry because she suffered a significant injury,

0:39:38.636 --> 0:39:42.476
<v Speaker 10>which caused people to then be able to accuse her

0:39:43.196 --> 0:39:46.836
<v Speaker 10>of having mental health problems. This poor woman probably couldn't

0:39:46.876 --> 0:39:49.996
<v Speaker 10>open her mouth without somebody interpreting what she was saying

0:39:50.156 --> 0:39:54.956
<v Speaker 10>or doing is crazy, which then tends to protect him.

0:39:55.316 --> 0:40:00.916
<v Speaker 10>But he inflicted that injury, and then she's accused of

0:40:01.116 --> 0:40:04.716
<v Speaker 10>chasing him for money and him having to spend time

0:40:04.796 --> 0:40:07.756
<v Speaker 10>in prison because he hadn't paid the money. This is

0:40:07.836 --> 0:40:12.836
<v Speaker 10>a violent, nasty man. He was the architect of all

0:40:12.916 --> 0:40:17.396
<v Speaker 10>of the problems that she had, and there speaking about

0:40:17.516 --> 0:40:20.276
<v Speaker 10>him as if she's the problem. What did they think

0:40:20.396 --> 0:40:23.076
<v Speaker 10>she was going to do for money? She had no

0:40:23.356 --> 0:40:27.116
<v Speaker 10>means of supporting herself. She was of a status of

0:40:27.236 --> 0:40:31.196
<v Speaker 10>a single mother back then. Oh my goodness, that would

0:40:31.276 --> 0:40:32.876
<v Speaker 10>have been so hard.

0:40:33.676 --> 0:40:36.796
<v Speaker 1>As the months went by, there was still no sign

0:40:36.876 --> 0:40:41.436
<v Speaker 1>of Rachel. Twice Polly was called in to identify bodies,

0:40:42.316 --> 0:40:45.476
<v Speaker 1>neither of which turned out to be her sister. These

0:40:45.556 --> 0:40:51.156
<v Speaker 1>experiences proved so traumatic that Polly refused any further invitations

0:40:51.236 --> 0:40:56.156
<v Speaker 1>to the morgue. Harry Dobkin probably felt that he had

0:40:56.196 --> 0:41:00.676
<v Speaker 1>got away with Rachel's murder, but Harry Dobkin was wrong.

0:41:04.996 --> 0:41:08.636
<v Speaker 3>The forensic pathologists set to work examining the torso that

0:41:08.716 --> 0:41:11.636
<v Speaker 3>Benjamin Whien Marshall had discovered in the basement of the chapel.

0:41:12.236 --> 0:41:15.676
<v Speaker 3>It was so small and slight that at first he

0:41:15.756 --> 0:41:18.756
<v Speaker 3>thought it might have belonged to a young girl. The

0:41:18.916 --> 0:41:21.796
<v Speaker 3>hair and other parts of the body were missing, and

0:41:21.916 --> 0:41:24.796
<v Speaker 3>what remained had been mutilated and partially burned.

0:41:26.316 --> 0:41:28.436
<v Speaker 1>The perpetrator clearly thought.

0:41:28.316 --> 0:41:32.196
<v Speaker 3>His grisly handiwork would frustrate attempts to identify the dead woman,

0:41:33.356 --> 0:41:37.036
<v Speaker 3>but the murderer hadn't reckoned on the persistence and skill

0:41:37.196 --> 0:41:40.956
<v Speaker 3>of the pathology team. They raked and sibbed through tons

0:41:40.996 --> 0:41:43.876
<v Speaker 3>of rubble from the chapel looking for more clues, and

0:41:43.996 --> 0:41:46.356
<v Speaker 3>the X rayed and photographed the remains in a lab

0:41:46.436 --> 0:41:50.076
<v Speaker 3>at one of London's top hospitals, determined to find out

0:41:50.196 --> 0:41:55.796
<v Speaker 3>who the dead woman was. Finally, Abraham Kopkin was summoned.

0:41:56.596 --> 0:42:01.596
<v Speaker 3>He tended to teeth across the East End, fillings, extractions, dentches.

0:42:02.396 --> 0:42:05.476
<v Speaker 3>A surviving section of jaw was set before the dentist.

0:42:05.996 --> 0:42:09.116
<v Speaker 6>That's my patient, that's missus Dobbs.

0:42:11.316 --> 0:42:14.316
<v Speaker 3>In August nineteen forty two, the police went to question

0:42:14.516 --> 0:42:17.636
<v Speaker 3>Harry Dobkin. He was living with his aged parents in

0:42:17.716 --> 0:42:20.996
<v Speaker 3>the front room of their house. The space was furnished simply,

0:42:21.556 --> 0:42:24.356
<v Speaker 3>and there were boxes of leather and fabric straps everywhere.

0:42:24.716 --> 0:42:28.476
<v Speaker 8>There's been a development in respect to your wife. I

0:42:28.636 --> 0:42:30.996
<v Speaker 8>want you to accompany us to the police station for

0:42:31.116 --> 0:42:32.116
<v Speaker 8>further inquiries.

0:42:32.676 --> 0:42:35.996
<v Speaker 3>Harry protested that he knew nothing of any seller at

0:42:36.036 --> 0:42:39.756
<v Speaker 3>the chapel, had never once been down there. He grew agitated,

0:42:40.436 --> 0:42:42.796
<v Speaker 3>and then he took a bill from a leather merchant's

0:42:42.836 --> 0:42:45.436
<v Speaker 3>firm out of his pocket, sprawled a note on the back,

0:42:46.036 --> 0:42:48.956
<v Speaker 3>and handed it to a police officer. He was said

0:42:48.996 --> 0:42:51.236
<v Speaker 3>to be in the habit of writing down his thoughts

0:42:51.316 --> 0:42:52.276
<v Speaker 3>on scraps.

0:42:51.916 --> 0:42:58.116
<v Speaker 6>Of paper, Divisional Inspector, Dear sir, It read, in respect

0:42:58.276 --> 0:43:00.716
<v Speaker 6>to what you say that my wife has been found

0:43:00.796 --> 0:43:04.116
<v Speaker 6>dead or murdered, and that you say I know something

0:43:04.236 --> 0:43:06.956
<v Speaker 6>that I am holding back from the police. I am

0:43:07.276 --> 0:43:10.316
<v Speaker 6>sorry to say that I cannot say anything different to

0:43:10.516 --> 0:43:11.636
<v Speaker 6>my previous statements.

0:43:13.436 --> 0:43:16.876
<v Speaker 3>But the police had said nothing about murder, nor had

0:43:16.876 --> 0:43:20.116
<v Speaker 3>they suggested he was holding information back from them. They

0:43:20.276 --> 0:43:24.436
<v Speaker 3>charged him, implying that Rachel had driven her husband to murder.

0:43:25.076 --> 0:43:27.436
<v Speaker 8>We suggest that Dobkin had reason to be rid of

0:43:27.516 --> 0:43:30.196
<v Speaker 8>his wife, as she had been a financial incumbrance to

0:43:30.276 --> 0:43:33.876
<v Speaker 8>him for many years. The maintenance order was a constant

0:43:33.996 --> 0:43:36.996
<v Speaker 8>drain on him. He'd been committed to prison several times

0:43:37.076 --> 0:43:40.196
<v Speaker 8>for its non payment. He has also said that she

0:43:40.356 --> 0:43:43.716
<v Speaker 8>pestered his parents, which did not improve matters.

0:43:44.476 --> 0:43:47.476
<v Speaker 3>Jane Monkton Smith thinks that such a reading of Harry

0:43:47.516 --> 0:43:50.796
<v Speaker 3>Dobkins's motive, one that paints Rachel as a shrew and

0:43:50.916 --> 0:43:54.196
<v Speaker 3>to blame for her own death, badly misses the mark.

0:43:54.636 --> 0:43:58.756
<v Speaker 10>That's the society we created for women. Men created for women,

0:43:58.836 --> 0:44:01.556
<v Speaker 10>a society where they would be reliant on them, and

0:44:01.636 --> 0:44:04.036
<v Speaker 10>they get annoyed about that when they don't want that

0:44:04.156 --> 0:44:06.756
<v Speaker 10>woman anymore. And he wanted rid of her. I really

0:44:06.956 --> 0:44:09.556
<v Speaker 10>believe that he wanted rid of her because he could

0:44:09.596 --> 0:44:12.636
<v Speaker 10>see himself going back into prison again for not giving

0:44:12.716 --> 0:44:16.876
<v Speaker 10>her money. How dare she? How dare she wreck his

0:44:17.196 --> 0:44:20.316
<v Speaker 10>life by trying to get money off him when he's

0:44:20.356 --> 0:44:22.236
<v Speaker 10>got other things to do and a life to lead,

0:44:22.596 --> 0:44:26.636
<v Speaker 10>with no thought for how he has wrecked her life,

0:44:26.916 --> 0:44:29.916
<v Speaker 10>and just expected that she would take it.

0:44:31.276 --> 0:44:35.316
<v Speaker 3>The jury deliberated for only twenty minutes and they were

0:44:35.436 --> 0:44:39.476
<v Speaker 3>unanimous on their verdict. Harry Dobkin had strangled his wife

0:44:39.516 --> 0:44:43.276
<v Speaker 3>to death with his bare hands and then concealed her

0:44:43.316 --> 0:44:46.916
<v Speaker 3>remains in the church cellar. He was hanged on a cold,

0:44:47.076 --> 0:44:56.876
<v Speaker 3>foggy morning at once Worth Prison in South London. After

0:44:56.956 --> 0:45:01.516
<v Speaker 3>the trial, a journalist visited the Dubinski family home. They

0:45:01.636 --> 0:45:04.156
<v Speaker 3>kept a photo of Rachel atop the piano, she noted,

0:45:04.716 --> 0:45:05.636
<v Speaker 3>and another over on.

0:45:05.676 --> 0:45:08.956
<v Speaker 5>The wall, and very beautiful she looked.

0:45:10.236 --> 0:45:13.676
<v Speaker 3>The reporter was intrigued by the role Madame Nerva and

0:45:13.796 --> 0:45:18.036
<v Speaker 3>spiritualism had played in the case. Then, Rachel's mother, Sarah

0:45:18.156 --> 0:45:21.076
<v Speaker 3>and her sister Mary confided that all the time that

0:45:21.196 --> 0:45:24.476
<v Speaker 3>her body had lain concealed in the church ruins, they'd

0:45:24.516 --> 0:45:27.556
<v Speaker 3>heard strange knocks at the door, only to find no

0:45:27.636 --> 0:45:31.076
<v Speaker 3>one waiting on the step, and then in the dead

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<v Speaker 3>of night, Sarah had repeatedly been woken by a voice

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<v Speaker 3>from the playground outside the voice of her missing daughter Rachel,

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<v Speaker 3>so tormented and ill served in life, now at least

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<v Speaker 3>rested in a proper grave. On the headstone, the Dubinskis

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<v Speaker 3>chose to end the heartfelt inscription with a wish.

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<v Speaker 2>Peace to her dear soul, Bad Women.

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<v Speaker 1>The Blackout Ripper is hosted by me Halle Rubinholt and

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<v Speaker 1>me Alice Fines. It was written and produced by Alice

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<v Speaker 1>Fines and Ryan Dilley, with additional support from Courtney Garino

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<v Speaker 1>and Arthur Gomberts.

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<v Speaker 5>Kate Healy of.

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<v Speaker 1>Oakwood Family Trees aided us with genealogical research.

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<v Speaker 3>Pascal Wise Sound designed and mixed the show and composed

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<v Speaker 3>all the original music. The show was recorded at Ordoor

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<v Speaker 3>Studios by David Smith and Tom Berry. You also heard

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<v Speaker 3>the voice talents of Ben Crow, David Glover, Melanie Gutridge,

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<v Speaker 3>Stella Harford, Gemma Saunders, and Rufus Wright. Much of the

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<v Speaker 3>music you heard was performed by Ed Gocken, Ross Hughes,

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<v Speaker 3>Christian Miller and Marcus Penrose. They were recorded by Nick

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<v Speaker 3>Taylor Porcupine Studios. Pushkin's Bend Holiday mixed the tracks and.

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<v Speaker 1>You heard additional piano playing by the Great Berry wise

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Berry. The show also wouldn't have been possible without

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<v Speaker 1>the work of Jacob Weisberg, Heather Fane, Carl Migliori, Maggie Taylor,

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole Morano, Eric Sandler, and Daniela Lukhan. We'd also like

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<v Speaker 1>to thank Michael Buchanan Dunn of the Murder Mile podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>Lizzie Mckerroll, Katherine Walker at the Royal Pharmaceutical Society and

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<v Speaker 1>the Earbe Historical Society. Bad Women is a production of

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin Industries. Please rate and review the show and spread

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<v Speaker 1>the word about what we do and thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 9>And Hanny.

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<v Speaker 2>Had Ann

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<v Speaker 8>The