1
00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200
Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

2
00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,000
Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and

3
00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,760
Speaker 1: Bucky coming to you live from all the way across

4
00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,640
Speaker 1: the country in Uh. In my I would say spacious

5
00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,200
Speaker 1: hotel room, but that wouldn't be honest here and not

6
00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,520
Speaker 1: very spacious. I would call it intimate. Intimate hotel at

7
00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,160
Speaker 1: the dawn says, are the big Pink Lady here in Tampa?

8
00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,120
Speaker 1: Or St? Pete? I should say, see St. Peter St.

9
00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,960
Speaker 1: Peterburg Beach. Yeah, it's pretty day, a little overcast, but

10
00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,360
Speaker 1: I heard it's it's a little rainy out there in

11
00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,720
Speaker 1: southern California, So I think we won the weather so far.

12
00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah we have. It's look colt chilly, but I'm digging

13
00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,480
Speaker 1: the practices at Tropicana Field for here for the East

14
00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,120
Speaker 1: West Shrine game, and then we'll be on our way

15
00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,880
Speaker 1: to Mobile for the Senior Bowl. Um, we all spend

16
00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,559
Speaker 1: too much time talking about this game. This game is uh. Look,

17
00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,360
Speaker 1: I hope you all tune in and watch it Saturday

18
00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,560
Speaker 1: on NFL Network. But this is more of your talking

19
00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,960
Speaker 1: about Day three guys. Buck. You know, fifth, six, seventh

20
00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,800
Speaker 1: round picks for the most part. When you have this

21
00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,040
Speaker 1: many underclassmen, declare it's a trickle down. You've got a

22
00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,840
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty plus underclassman. Then we've got the kids

23
00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,000
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, which is the high profile bowl game,

24
00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,000
Speaker 1: and then you've got the East West here in the

25
00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,440
Speaker 1: NFL p A game. So this game used to be

26
00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,240
Speaker 1: getting some third round picks. Maybe it's sprinkling a second

27
00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:13,800
Speaker 1: round pick every now and then in a bunch of

28
00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,959
Speaker 1: four or five sixes and sevens. Now it's a little

29
00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,040
Speaker 1: bit further on because of all these underclassmen. Yes, it's

30
00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,280
Speaker 1: a little further on, but sometimes this game can still

31
00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,319
Speaker 1: be the launching point for some of the guys that

32
00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,680
Speaker 1: we've talked about in the pros. Josh Norman was a

33
00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,200
Speaker 1: guy that played here. We saw Jimmy Garoppolo last year here,

34
00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,880
Speaker 1: and we saw a guys going to the Pro Bowl

35
00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,600
Speaker 1: for the Denver Broncos. Oh, Philip lindsay, Yeah, so this

36
00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,000
Speaker 1: is a nice place. You're you're looking for the hidden gyms,

37
00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,880
Speaker 1: the guys that maybe you overlooked when your first visit.

38
00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,759
Speaker 1: They come up here, they show up, they play well,

39
00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,399
Speaker 1: they have an opportunity to certainly help themselves so I

40
00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,320
Speaker 1: am excited to see some of the less unknown names

41
00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,560
Speaker 1: kind of make their way, make good way to rank.

42
00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna have all your all your needs covered there

43
00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,040
Speaker 1: on this game on the broadcast on Saturday. The microcosm

44
00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:58,600
Speaker 1: of the draft class as a whole. It's a good

45
00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,240
Speaker 1: defensive line group when you look at the group down here.

46
00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,400
Speaker 1: So we'll have a chance to talk about them on Saturday,

47
00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,880
Speaker 1: and we'll go see um, some big time players down

48
00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,680
Speaker 1: there at the Senior Bowl next week. But let's get

49
00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,560
Speaker 1: to these early declarations, Buck. I want to get to

50
00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,480
Speaker 1: some NFL stuff in a minute. Um, and I also

51
00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,520
Speaker 1: have a crossover conversation. Had an interesting plane flight sitting

52
00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,640
Speaker 1: next to UH an executive from another sport, and I

53
00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:19,919
Speaker 1: want to get into that. So we'll get to that

54
00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,360
Speaker 1: in just a little bit. But at the top here, gosh,

55
00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,919
Speaker 1: I think we're five was the number. I don't know

56
00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,279
Speaker 1: if that's the official number, but the number underclassman is unreal.

57
00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,839
Speaker 1: Remember when there we used to be like fifty man.

58
00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,880
Speaker 1: I I just can't imagine like trying to keep up

59
00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,760
Speaker 1: with all the underclassmen that are coming out, if you're

60
00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,079
Speaker 1: a director or a national scout and trying to kind

61
00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,560
Speaker 1: of do it the way that you're supposed to do

62
00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,520
Speaker 1: it and and hold off on waiting. I think, can

63
00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,400
Speaker 1: you got the fall? You have to do them in

64
00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,280
Speaker 1: the fall. You almost have to ask questions to those

65
00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,640
Speaker 1: around the program in the fall because there are so

66
00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,360
Speaker 1: many underclassman. And the thing that has always been scary

67
00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,639
Speaker 1: in my mind and dealing with underclassman, you never got

68
00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,240
Speaker 1: enough information, Like you always say, oh, we'll catch up,

69
00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,760
Speaker 1: we'll get that. Not enough time, not enough time to

70
00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,360
Speaker 1: get the background info to really figure out their character,

71
00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,880
Speaker 1: the football character, and they're they're more character to just

72
00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,280
Speaker 1: really figure out what the kid is. And so right

73
00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,240
Speaker 1: now scouts are scrambling, they're hustling, they're going all over

74
00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,760
Speaker 1: the place making phone calls to the liaison trying to

75
00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,880
Speaker 1: figure out how they can kind of put the finishing

76
00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,440
Speaker 1: touches on these profiles. So much is to be determined,

77
00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,440
Speaker 1: and so the combine for the underclassman really becomes big

78
00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,320
Speaker 1: because they really have to kind of show themselves well

79
00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,440
Speaker 1: in terms of not only what they do on the

80
00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,600
Speaker 1: field at the workouts, but how they come off because

81
00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,080
Speaker 1: not a lot of runway when it comes to kind

82
00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,360
Speaker 1: of evaluate he's us before the draft, no question, and

83
00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,360
Speaker 1: the biggest name that announced very late in the process,

84
00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,480
Speaker 1: Kyler Murder. We've talked about Kyler Murray plenty here on

85
00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,880
Speaker 1: the podcast, but it was interesting, Buck. I'm used to

86
00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,360
Speaker 1: hear what you got when I'm sitting the stands at

87
00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,440
Speaker 1: East West practices and sitting with the general manager and

88
00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,360
Speaker 1: talking with some other executives around the league, and I

89
00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,280
Speaker 1: make a point. I don't know how you are on this,

90
00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,960
Speaker 1: but when i'm when I want to get some information

91
00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,480
Speaker 1: on quarterbacks, I want to go talk to teams that

92
00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,240
Speaker 1: have one because there's no reason for them to to

93
00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,040
Speaker 1: lie to you. Just give me the straight give me

94
00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,400
Speaker 1: the straight facts here. I said, uh, you know the

95
00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,240
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback there not in that market, Kyler Murray. What

96
00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,280
Speaker 1: do you think? He goes, Have you seen him? And

97
00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,280
Speaker 1: I go, uh, not in person, not live. He's like

98
00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,000
Speaker 1: he's got an explosive arm. I said, the five ft

99
00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,640
Speaker 1: nine thing is not not ideal, no question, but I

100
00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,600
Speaker 1: think I can kind of He's ad it's not the height.

101
00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,479
Speaker 1: He might weigh eighty five pounds. Russell Wilson, you go

102
00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:26,760
Speaker 1: back and look it up. But I want to say

103
00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,400
Speaker 1: to fifteen maybe that thick build. He's like, I just

104
00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,240
Speaker 1: I don't see how he can hold up. So that

105
00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,560
Speaker 1: was that's more for people. Every we's talking about the height,

106
00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,640
Speaker 1: But to me talking to folks today, it was all

107
00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,040
Speaker 1: about the build. I don't know what what you got

108
00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,599
Speaker 1: talking about. It's so funny because I had this conversation

109
00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,160
Speaker 1: with a couple of different scouts and we were kind

110
00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,200
Speaker 1: of holding Cordy. We were going on to Kyler Murray thing,

111
00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:47,960
Speaker 1: and they were talking about like he's crazy, like why

112
00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,599
Speaker 1: wouldn't he baseball? And we're talking about the money and

113
00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:56,520
Speaker 1: all those other things, and they're like, hey, i've known

114
00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,159
Speaker 1: him since. I understand what he's like. Man, he is

115
00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,200
Speaker 1: so small, he's little. I think he's about to send

116
00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,840
Speaker 1: my kid. And when you look at him with two

117
00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:10,520
Speaker 1: of um two other he said, man, he's towering over

118
00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,240
Speaker 1: And he said, then check Baker Mayfield's timeline because maybe

119
00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,960
Speaker 1: Baker tweeted out something about Cala Murray and he said,

120
00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,320
Speaker 1: it looks like Baker looks like he towers over him.

121
00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,200
Speaker 1: So then we're going through the conversation there like, man,

122
00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,479
Speaker 1: I just don't know if I could ever do a

123
00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,560
Speaker 1: small quarterback like that. So then this is a team

124
00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,680
Speaker 1: that already has a franchise quarterback. I said, okay, let's

125
00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,240
Speaker 1: f let' let's play this exercise. You want to play

126
00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,479
Speaker 1: against him? I said, I said, no, let's play this

127
00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,920
Speaker 1: exercise your team that needs a quarterback. And let's just say, okay,

128
00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,479
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins is gone. Let's say Drew lock is gone.

129
00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,360
Speaker 1: Let's even say Daniel is gone. Okay, So here we are,

130
00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,280
Speaker 1: and it's Cala Murray and Will Grip who were taking

131
00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Kyler Murray right, So it's Calor Mury.

132
00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,560
Speaker 1: Who else? So I said, worst case, we can say

133
00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,680
Speaker 1: that let's take all the bigger, stronger guys or whatever,

134
00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,440
Speaker 1: let's take them out. So those three go? Who else

135
00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,880
Speaker 1: is going before him? And I said, you can't make

136
00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,760
Speaker 1: it reasonable case based on the player, can't we No,

137
00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,760
Speaker 1: you'll love this. I had a conversation with someone this

138
00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,320
Speaker 1: evening said, what you think about everybodys talking about this guy,

139
00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,000
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. Everybody's it's it's a topic of conversation. I said, uh,

140
00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,000
Speaker 1: what do you think of Kyler Murray? He said, I

141
00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,920
Speaker 1: watched a lot of players this fall, said, Kyler Murray

142
00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,479
Speaker 1: is the second fastest dude, I watched this fall. I go, really,

143
00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,640
Speaker 1: he goes, only dude faster than him was when he

144
00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,039
Speaker 1: was throwing it too, you know. And so that's Hollywood,

145
00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,600
Speaker 1: and so that's the unique thing. And I was telling them,

146
00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,360
Speaker 1: I was like, because the guys are They're like, man,

147
00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,920
Speaker 1: you can't take a quarter a quarterback. That is deathmall.

148
00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,200
Speaker 1: I said, we can. I said, I used to think

149
00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,760
Speaker 1: that we couldn't take a corner over a pass rusher.

150
00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,880
Speaker 1: I used to think that we couldn't take maybe a

151
00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,400
Speaker 1: six ft quarterback at number one. I also thought that

152
00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,920
Speaker 1: we couldn't take a guard in the top ten. I said,

153
00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,720
Speaker 1: all those old rules are out of the door. I

154
00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,000
Speaker 1: don't know what to think about the draft. And they

155
00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,839
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, you're kind of right. And I said, look,

156
00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,200
Speaker 1: if we go by howard person plays, there's no doubt

157
00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,279
Speaker 1: he's one of the top in college football. He's one

158
00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,799
Speaker 1: of the top players in this class. It is really

159
00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,760
Speaker 1: a matter of what are you comfortable with? And they

160
00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,920
Speaker 1: said this to a man, they said, it really depends

161
00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,160
Speaker 1: on what's your comfort level is as a general manager.

162
00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,880
Speaker 1: If you're a long tender general manager, some security you

163
00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,240
Speaker 1: don't mind swinging and missing if you miss on him,

164
00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,000
Speaker 1: he said. But if you're one of those guys that

165
00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,840
Speaker 1: gotta have it right now, gotta have you just got

166
00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,160
Speaker 1: the job. He's like, he said, because if you missed

167
00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,120
Speaker 1: everyone like you should have known that he wasn't going

168
00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,560
Speaker 1: to make it. Whereas if an established guy does that, Okay,

169
00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,720
Speaker 1: so we're gonna miss Look, we we everything ebbs and flows,

170
00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,680
Speaker 1: and we'll see where we are when we get closer

171
00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,240
Speaker 1: to the draft. But I would say based off today

172
00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,680
Speaker 1: talking to folks, it felt more like Kyler Murray was

173
00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,560
Speaker 1: back in like more like guys coming back into the

174
00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,280
Speaker 1: bottom of the first round. When we saw with lam R.

175
00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,440
Speaker 1: Jackson third section last year. I don't think he's gonna

176
00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,320
Speaker 1: go on that top two and there's two or three

177
00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,440
Speaker 1: times quarterbacks. I don't think he's gonna be in the

178
00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,760
Speaker 1: in the mix for those guys because there's risk. But

179
00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,040
Speaker 1: legit him at risk here. He can go play baseball

180
00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,080
Speaker 1: at any point in time. Be it's not just the

181
00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,520
Speaker 1: height as the bulk as we're talking about. So there

182
00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,160
Speaker 1: there's some there's some risk. Now that being said, it

183
00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,240
Speaker 1: is a you're not choking up, you are you are

184
00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,320
Speaker 1: you're gripping the bottom of that barrel and you are

185
00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,320
Speaker 1: swinging for the fences, you might hit it out of park.

186
00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,040
Speaker 1: On him, you may hit it out the park. And

187
00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,560
Speaker 1: so when when we think about those teams, I think

188
00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,080
Speaker 1: it'll be interested in the teams at the bottom of

189
00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,440
Speaker 1: the first round, teams that may not have an immediate need.

190
00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,719
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna mention this team's name and almost say

191
00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,120
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. And the only reason I'll say

192
00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,160
Speaker 1: that is because Tom Brady may have a year or two.

193
00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:46,000
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick is established, firmly established as a long tim coach,

194
00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,719
Speaker 1: and Josh McDaniel the offensive coordinator, has kind of made

195
00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,959
Speaker 1: this move before when he took Tim Tebow, which was

196
00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,240
Speaker 1: kind of off the grid. And when you think about

197
00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,760
Speaker 1: all the unique things and how the Patriots really played,

198
00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,240
Speaker 1: because you obviously just saw him this Sunday talking about

199
00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,360
Speaker 1: screens quick all that stuff like in that off they're

200
00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,120
Speaker 1: one of the teams that met with Lincoln Riley. If

201
00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. The Patriots are Josh McDaniels spend some

202
00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,800
Speaker 1: time with him. So it's just something to consider like

203
00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,160
Speaker 1: one of those teams. Like everything I was told too

204
00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,560
Speaker 1: is they love him. They love him at school I mean,

205
00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,120
Speaker 1: he's he's a really good football player. I think it's

206
00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,480
Speaker 1: going to challenge whether we are still a scouting community

207
00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,320
Speaker 1: of values production and performance, or do we value the

208
00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,400
Speaker 1: potential in the trade. Can believe if we talked about

209
00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,280
Speaker 1: this five years ago, but when he would have had

210
00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,000
Speaker 1: the discussion, win I had his conversation, he would have

211
00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,800
Speaker 1: been a good little player. We would have talked about

212
00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,559
Speaker 1: him in and then what we would have done is

213
00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:40,800
Speaker 1: everyone will be like, hey man, this is a really

214
00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,520
Speaker 1: good football player. We want to put him. Oh head

215
00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,240
Speaker 1: to six. Yeah, that's it. That was the That was

216
00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,400
Speaker 1: a discussion. Move on, move on, Um it is. It

217
00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,400
Speaker 1: is really fascinating the other some other underclassman. Alabama's seven

218
00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,080
Speaker 1: Dudes came out. Um well, and I have my top

219
00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,800
Speaker 1: fifty that's coming out, and I believe it's coming out

220
00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,440
Speaker 1: next week. So I've got it pretty much in order.

221
00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm just finishing up the summaries right and out. Buck.

222
00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,360
Speaker 1: But Josh Jacob is gonna he might have a nosebleed.

223
00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,640
Speaker 1: He's so high on my list. There are people that

224
00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,880
Speaker 1: really really like him. You're talking there and they're talking.

225
00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm talking about people that went in there early, like

226
00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, like I haven't done as Nashalo. You going

227
00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,400
Speaker 1: New September, you don't get a chance to go back

228
00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,360
Speaker 1: in and see him, and so you're like, yeah, I

229
00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,000
Speaker 1: gave him like a second round grade just based off

230
00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,760
Speaker 1: what I saw early in the year off two or

231
00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,640
Speaker 1: three games. But now you're looking and you're like, oh,

232
00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,760
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna do this is this is this

233
00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,040
Speaker 1: kind of tricky doing this on audio, but Bucky's got

234
00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,800
Speaker 1: great reactions. So I just pulled out my phone right

235
00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,200
Speaker 1: now because when I was doing somebody else this play,

236
00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:38,920
Speaker 1: this is a play from Josh Jacobs on the show.

237
00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,280
Speaker 1: He's not gonna carry the ball, he's not gonna catch

238
00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:41,959
Speaker 1: the ball, he's not gonna touch the ball. I'm just

239
00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,880
Speaker 1: gonna let the play run, and Bucky, you can kind

240
00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,600
Speaker 1: of do a little bit of play by play and

241
00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,200
Speaker 1: you tell me what you see from Josh. Jake's there

242
00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,199
Speaker 1: in the shotgun and he's he's shoguns side cards to

243
00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:56,760
Speaker 1: the left. Jannahurst takes it a little lead block. Wow. Look,

244
00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,960
Speaker 1: so on this play, it's just a it's just a sweep,

245
00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,040
Speaker 1: A jet sweep guy comes in motion. They handed to

246
00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,520
Speaker 1: the receiver coming around the corner. Jacobs is lead blocking

247
00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:12,319
Speaker 1: and he literally up roots. Where does the context start.

248
00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,120
Speaker 1: Let's look at where the context starts, to look where

249
00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,280
Speaker 1: the defender ends up. Looking at about four yards from selling.

250
00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,199
Speaker 1: The guy lands on the paint. He lands on the pain.

251
00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,960
Speaker 1: And so anyone who has kind of been around, like

252
00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,720
Speaker 1: if you've been in the waiver and we talk about power,

253
00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:30,800
Speaker 1: cleans and explosiveness twitch that video, that little clip there

254
00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,200
Speaker 1: just displays the explosiveness, the toughness and the physicality. And

255
00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,640
Speaker 1: so when you look at the way that he performed

256
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,959
Speaker 1: in the end in the championship game, when we saw

257
00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,600
Speaker 1: him down the stretch, everyone talks about the other running

258
00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,920
Speaker 1: back and and then you have the big front. You

259
00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,959
Speaker 1: have a big sophomore kid from the Bay Area, and

260
00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,640
Speaker 1: then Jacobs comes steals his thunder, and in a draft

261
00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,560
Speaker 1: where we wonder if there's really going to be a

262
00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,920
Speaker 1: legitimate number one running back, this guy goes to the

263
00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,720
Speaker 1: top of the charts because his explosive potential makes him

264
00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,560
Speaker 1: where he's kind of like his new school back. I

265
00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,920
Speaker 1: had this talk with a with a personnel executive. Um,

266
00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,440
Speaker 1: he goes, how how do you have soide told him

267
00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,520
Speaker 1: what I had on him and He's like, like, what

268
00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,760
Speaker 1: what is there not to like? And I said, no,

269
00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,079
Speaker 1: you know what the negative is. Here's the negative. Oh,

270
00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a lot of carries. I'm like perfect

271
00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,360
Speaker 1: Alvin Camara, we learned that lesson that's not a negative,

272
00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,280
Speaker 1: that's positive. That is actually a tread left those and

273
00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,440
Speaker 1: the funny thing that was mystifying to both of us

274
00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,160
Speaker 1: about Alvin Camari we both had first round grades on him.

275
00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,560
Speaker 1: It's just what are we missing? Like when he's fallen

276
00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,679
Speaker 1: on drafted, his name hasn't been called like what what

277
00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,520
Speaker 1: what are we missing? Like I've seen everything, Like he

278
00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:40,920
Speaker 1: can catch the ball out the bad fold, he can

279
00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,520
Speaker 1: do all the things that he was doing in New Orleans,

280
00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,719
Speaker 1: he showed at Tennessee and so, uh it was a

281
00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,640
Speaker 1: big mystery. But I think the search for the next

282
00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,959
Speaker 1: album Kamara, the next Christian McCaffrey, the guy that can

283
00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,840
Speaker 1: do that, he is going to go and he's going

284
00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,000
Speaker 1: He's going to be drafted a lot higher than most

285
00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,240
Speaker 1: people expect. No question. A bunch of other junior here.

286
00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,840
Speaker 1: We'll have a chance to dig into those as we

287
00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,920
Speaker 1: go forward. Uh, we're gonna have plenty of time to

288
00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,240
Speaker 1: talk about all these underclassmen. As we get towards the draft,

289
00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,840
Speaker 1: I did hear this one comparison Devin White. I got

290
00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,280
Speaker 1: a lot of Roquan Smith. I like. I like Devin

291
00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,280
Speaker 1: White a lot, and you'll find out on my list he'said,

292
00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,880
Speaker 1: I have him the top fifteen players. But I thought

293
00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,240
Speaker 1: ro Kuan had a little little something. Ro Quan had

294
00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,440
Speaker 1: a little more snap to a little more juice pop. Yeah. Yeah,

295
00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,640
Speaker 1: So I heard that great player, really good player, but

296
00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,480
Speaker 1: I have Roquan over. He heard a few different things

297
00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,160
Speaker 1: on him and the other guy that people said, like

298
00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,400
Speaker 1: people going to kind of peg him as dear, Hey,

299
00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,000
Speaker 1: this is gonna be my third round guy that I'm

300
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,600
Speaker 1: gonna get, which means he's gonna go in the second,

301
00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,560
Speaker 1: if not the first. Who's that Calvin Ridley's brother? Hold up, buck,

302
00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,120
Speaker 1: So he's in my top fifty and he's gonna run

303
00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,200
Speaker 1: four or five five? Hold up, let me give you

304
00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,280
Speaker 1: a let's see here, let's just want to do a

305
00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,959
Speaker 1: little reading session here. Let me uh, I've been writing

306
00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,920
Speaker 1: these I've been writing my top fifties. So this gives

307
00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,760
Speaker 1: me a chance to like a book on tape because

308
00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,240
Speaker 1: I've got I've got I believe I've already written him.

309
00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,560
Speaker 1: Uh Ridley, let's find let's find Mr Ridley here. By

310
00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,640
Speaker 1: the way, have you watched the uh I put out

311
00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,120
Speaker 1: a little video. But when you wait, do you see

312
00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,720
Speaker 1: the other tight end from Iowa? Oh? I know about it? Like,

313
00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,200
Speaker 1: is it possible that I could have two tight ends

314
00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,080
Speaker 1: going in the first round? Because hawk Stein is he's

315
00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,640
Speaker 1: a he's a he's an assassin. He is a y

316
00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,040
Speaker 1: meaning he is a inline in line tight end. He

317
00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,080
Speaker 1: is a guy that you want to see attached to

318
00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,720
Speaker 1: the tackle. He does all the dirty work. He also

319
00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,320
Speaker 1: can catch the ball. He's Heath Miller. He reminds me

320
00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,080
Speaker 1: he saw you, I saw your post and and and

321
00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,560
Speaker 1: and it's true. Like he is the old school tight

322
00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,360
Speaker 1: end that everyone wanted from Mike Mark Rivaro. So when

323
00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,160
Speaker 1: I play, we have Mark Tamura. He is the big,

324
00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,840
Speaker 1: imposing presence at tight end. Deack in block, in line,

325
00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,400
Speaker 1: but also catch the ball down the field. Perfect tight end.

326
00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,240
Speaker 1: All right, let's do a little Riley Ridley reading. Well,

327
00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,120
Speaker 1: that's a lot of us, a lot of literation. All right, Ridley,

328
00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,320
Speaker 1: good size, very polish, route runner, lax and explosive. Burston's release.

329
00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,120
Speaker 1: But he understands how to set up defenders. He's very

330
00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,600
Speaker 1: efficient at the top of his route, lacking top end juice.

331
00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,360
Speaker 1: He creates separation with clean footwork in and out the breakpoint,

332
00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,520
Speaker 1: very strong hands attacks about the highest point after the catch.

333
00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,480
Speaker 1: He's tough, but he lost premier burst or looseness. Lack

334
00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,200
Speaker 1: of production is a concern, but there are a lot

335
00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,880
Speaker 1: of mouths defeating this offense. Overall. Ridley is ready to

336
00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,720
Speaker 1: contribute right away. Lacks of ideal twitch, but he consistently

337
00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,040
Speaker 1: gets open as strong, reliable hands. And when I'm watching him,

338
00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,040
Speaker 1: and when I'm reading him, and when I'm and I'm

339
00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,920
Speaker 1: writing him, and I'm sitting here going like I said

340
00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,840
Speaker 1: a lot of these same things about a guy that's

341
00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,480
Speaker 1: catching a billion balls for draw Brees and Michael Thomas. Now,

342
00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,440
Speaker 1: he was funny that you brought that out with the

343
00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,520
Speaker 1: kind of in the back of my mind when I'm

344
00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,800
Speaker 1: watching out the scalstrounse that this guy is a carbon

345
00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,400
Speaker 1: copy of Michael Thomas. Big. He's physical, he creates separation,

346
00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,120
Speaker 1: not crazy, can make play. He can make plays. And

347
00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,400
Speaker 1: there you have it. And you know, as scouts, we're

348
00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,480
Speaker 1: always looking for cops, were always trying to learn from

349
00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,120
Speaker 1: my mistakes, and man, if we miss on the first

350
00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,320
Speaker 1: go around, I'm gonna try and get it in the

351
00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,120
Speaker 1: second time. We try and get it in the second time,

352
00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,960
Speaker 1: and I think he's going to benefit from that. And

353
00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,960
Speaker 1: so in a draft where there was sievers are solid,

354
00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,800
Speaker 1: but I don't know how many guys really really stand out.

355
00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,360
Speaker 1: He may be a guy that you pick, like, Hey,

356
00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,000
Speaker 1: if I don't want to go in the hot cot,

357
00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,240
Speaker 1: maybe I'll get him. But I think the more people

358
00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,200
Speaker 1: look at him, the more they're going to appreciate what

359
00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,920
Speaker 1: he is. And the more that we see Michael Thomas

360
00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:22,040
Speaker 1: dominate from that inside position, that big slot receiver, there's

361
00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,880
Speaker 1: a role, there's a there's a role for those guys,

362
00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,200
Speaker 1: and so you'll see people continue to imitating. All right,

363
00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,040
Speaker 1: I'll give you one more than we'll move on here. Uh,

364
00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,720
Speaker 1: we're just talking about Devin White. So here's Devin White.

365
00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,920
Speaker 1: White thick, sturdy frame, possessive, prototype, explosiveness, playmaking skills against

366
00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,880
Speaker 1: the pass. And this is one of the things we

367
00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,040
Speaker 1: always follow formulas when we're writing reports. We've done it forever,

368
00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,200
Speaker 1: so people have a different way of doing it. So

369
00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,320
Speaker 1: the one change I made a couple of years ago.

370
00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,120
Speaker 1: Was the way I was kind of taught to do it,

371
00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:48,680
Speaker 1: and I kind of got in the groove was you

372
00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,680
Speaker 1: want to see give him a vision of the body type,

373
00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,360
Speaker 1: what does he look like physically? Then I always just

374
00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,000
Speaker 1: did it from I was just gonna break it down

375
00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,600
Speaker 1: from the run game in the past game. But as

376
00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,920
Speaker 1: the NFL game has changed, if you read my reports,

377
00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,480
Speaker 1: all of them gonna start with how they do in

378
00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,320
Speaker 1: the past game, and then I don't care we're talking

379
00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,600
Speaker 1: about line, linebackers, line whatever, we're talking how do they

380
00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,399
Speaker 1: do in the past, what do they do, and then

381
00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:09,640
Speaker 1: we'll get to what they do in the run game.

382
00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,320
Speaker 1: So that's the formula of use anyways. White, thick, sturdy frame,

383
00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,159
Speaker 1: possessed prototype explosiveness and playmaking skills against the pass. Has

384
00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,200
Speaker 1: a speed and jiliy to cover tight ends down the field,

385
00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,000
Speaker 1: and he closed his space in a hurry when he's

386
00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,560
Speaker 1: in his own coverage, and you can watch him against

387
00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,000
Speaker 1: A and M he just mirrors that tight end all

388
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,879
Speaker 1: over the place. Um timing and versus a blitzer. Uh,

389
00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,800
Speaker 1: when's the majority of his one on one versus running

390
00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,600
Speaker 1: back and past protection against the run. Has sidelined sideline range,

391
00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,040
Speaker 1: but he will get stuck on blocks once engaged. Good

392
00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,680
Speaker 1: not great instincts the key and read uh. But even

393
00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,399
Speaker 1: when he's a half count, lady makes up for it

394
00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,840
Speaker 1: with his play speed, outstanding chest up tackler. Overall, White

395
00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,720
Speaker 1: has what teams are looking for at the position, the

396
00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,920
Speaker 1: ability to run covering blitz. We talked about it all

397
00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,440
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, that's that's the ability like we're

398
00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,920
Speaker 1: going to see and here's why he is going to benefit.

399
00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,040
Speaker 1: You can talk about real Quan Smith, but what we

400
00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,840
Speaker 1: saw last year the impact of the second level live Laton,

401
00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,000
Speaker 1: vanderesh If Layden, Vanderas, Darius Leonard, uh, even Jermaine Edmund.

402
00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,480
Speaker 1: All those guys were able to have immediate impacts coming in,

403
00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,520
Speaker 1: stepping in making big time plays. And so we're seeing

404
00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,439
Speaker 1: that there's um a prototype where there's a blueprint for

405
00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,480
Speaker 1: how those guys can have success sideline and sideline chase.

406
00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,199
Speaker 1: There's guys that can find a way to get to

407
00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,120
Speaker 1: the quarterback on blitzs, and guys who also can get

408
00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,600
Speaker 1: their hands on the ball and coverage. They make plays

409
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,440
Speaker 1: and they impact your defense. When you're constantly on the go,

410
00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,800
Speaker 1: there's not much time to think about upgrading your style

411
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,320
Speaker 1: or apartment. That's why you love getting a new box

412
00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,280
Speaker 1: of Awesome from Bespoke Post every month. Experience quality and

413
00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,880
Speaker 1: unique products at Box of Awesome dot com. To get started,

414
00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,040
Speaker 1: visit Box of Awesome dot com and answer a few

415
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,720
Speaker 1: short questions that will help you get a feel for

416
00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,040
Speaker 1: your style. Each box costs less than fifty bucks, but

417
00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,560
Speaker 1: it has more than seventy dollars worth of unique gear

418
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,520
Speaker 1: waiting inside. The first of each month, you'll receive an

419
00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,280
Speaker 1: email with your box details. You have five days to

420
00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,479
Speaker 1: make changes, or if you're not feeling that month's box,

421
00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,719
Speaker 1: then simply skip it. From barrel aging Kids two limited

422
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,840
Speaker 1: editions to guards winkoed their bags to classy top kits,

423
00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,680
Speaker 1: Bespoke Post offers essential goods and guidance for the modern man.

424
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,159
Speaker 1: To receive off your first subscription box, go to Box

425
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,480
Speaker 1: of Awesome dot com and enter the code sticks at checkout.

426
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:21,200
Speaker 1: That's Box of Awesome dot COM's code sticks off your

427
00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,280
Speaker 1: first box. Bespoke Post theme boxes for guys that give

428
00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,480
Speaker 1: a darn alright black. I want to switch gears a

429
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,000
Speaker 1: little bit here and tell you about an interesting flight

430
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,760
Speaker 1: that I had and this is gonna kind of we've

431
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,680
Speaker 1: been talking talking to teams a little bit here. We'll

432
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 1: get to another one here. I wanted to say his name,

433
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,160
Speaker 1: but uh, um, I know his name, but I don't

434
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 1: want to say it here. But he's an assistant general

435
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,800
Speaker 1: manager in the National Hockey League. You know me, I

436
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,120
Speaker 1: don't know anything about hockey, but he's He's obviously came

437
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,280
Speaker 1: up on the scouting side, been around the game for

438
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,080
Speaker 1: a long time, and I had it was. In fact,

439
00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 1: we just went back and forth asking him questions, asking

440
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,120
Speaker 1: me questions, um, and I asked him, I said, has

441
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 1: how has it changed with hockey? Because I know the

442
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,000
Speaker 1: rules there have changed as the rules have changed in

443
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,600
Speaker 1: the NFL which make it our offensive friendly. Has that

444
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,119
Speaker 1: affected you and the scout excitey? He said, yeah, you know,

445
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 1: we used to always be looking for guys six three,

446
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,199
Speaker 1: six four he used to have. You know, if he

447
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,239
Speaker 1: was under a certain size, we wouldn't even look at him.

448
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 1: He said, that's out the window. He said, Really, what

449
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 1: it comes down to is we're just trying to find

450
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 1: two things, speed and skill. And I thought, man, that

451
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 1: is so true, and that is what the NFL game

452
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,879
Speaker 1: has turned into. Speed and skill. Yeah, it absolutely is this.

453
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 1: And you know, like teams will always look to the

454
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 1: teams that are in the Final four and the teams

455
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 1: that may have you go to the Super Bowl, and

456
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,160
Speaker 1: they will kind of make some determinations based off of

457
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 1: those things. And I think if we look at the

458
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 1: teams that are in the final four, and we'll will

459
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 1: kind of move New England out of that because the

460
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 1: outlier when you look at the Kansas City Chiefs speed skill,

461
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: it certainly applies. When you look at the l A.

462
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 1: Rams absolute speed and skills certainly applies. Todd Gurley, Brandon

463
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 1: Cooks was those guys are explosive playmakers. The New Orleans

464
00:20:55,040 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 1: Saints are a little different. Camara provides a speed, Ted

465
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 1: Getting has some speed, right. The skill part of Michael

466
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,159
Speaker 1: Thomas is a skilled runner, question has a way to

467
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 1: get a d You think about Breeze and the way

468
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 1: that he works. Mark Ingram is a skilled running back,

469
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,919
Speaker 1: and so you are now really really focusing on those things.

470
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 1: And I think it also applies to the way you

471
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 1: look at their defense. Marsha Lattimore cam Jordan's um. The

472
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: guys that are making plays are guys that are explosive,

473
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 1: and they have a panted skill, something that jumps off

474
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,360
Speaker 1: the tape, being in press coverage, being and off being

475
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. Those things apply, and now teams are

476
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 1: finding a way to like, hey, we're gonna take your

477
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 1: skill set and we're gonna put it on ourselves to

478
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 1: figure out if bay to maximize. So one of the

479
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 1: things that he was saying was said, look real, okay

480
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: on the hockey side, was sacrificing some size, but you've

481
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: got to have you gotta have special traits. You gotta

482
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: have some special traits. I said, it's the same thing.

483
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 1: We do the same thing in football. If you're gonna

484
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 1: be undersized, that means you gotta have exceptional speed or

485
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: playmaking skills or something that makes you inc Um. You

486
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,199
Speaker 1: can't be small and slow. That's that's still is the

487
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: same as it's always been. But I was talking to

488
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: another general manager today and um, and I have I'm

489
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: anxious to see when you when you get around and

490
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: talk to all these guys, I think we'll find the

491
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: same thing. Because I was trying to get to him

492
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: and I said, what's what's going to change this year?

493
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: After what we saw this year? How is it gonna

494
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 1: affect personnel, how's it gonna affect the draft of freeing things? Like?

495
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 1: I need I need to think about that a little bit.

496
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: And then we kept talking and and uh he said,

497
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: uh um, he goes, you know, we we played, we

498
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 1: played in some games this year, but we played pretty good,

499
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 1: scored thirty points lost, And he said, we've got to

500
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: find more playmakers. You gotta find more playmakers and the

501
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 1: other thing. And I'm and I've had two or three

502
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 1: different people when you're talking about goals in the off season,

503
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do to shape your roster. We

504
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: have got to get faster on defense. It's the same.

505
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: That's that, that is the formula. It's what we talked about,

506
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: creating those twelve players and trying to hit those things. Playmakers, playmakers, playmakers.

507
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: Thirty ain't good enough anymore. You got to try and

508
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: get a team that can produce forty points. That's what

509
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: you're aiming. For a minute, it sounds ridiculous, but that's

510
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: really what what what teams are thinking. Three or four

511
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 1: teams in the final four, Um, they're all four. They're

512
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: all four, four high scoring teams in the four high

513
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: scoring teams last weekend. Three of those teams he had

514
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: thirty or more points. You have to be able to

515
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: score points, and the best way to generate explosive plays

516
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: you have to have explosive athletes, dynamic players with the

517
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 1: ball in the hands, and to create turnovers, those guys

518
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: need to be dynamic. They need to not only be

519
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: able to catch the ball, but run fast, knocked the

520
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: ball out, those kinds of things. And so the league

521
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: continues to evolve, the league is changing, and as the

522
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: league kind of becomes more wide open, you need more

523
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: dynamic athletes. I think the guy that you had the

524
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: chance to see each week, Derwin James, nowda we reflect

525
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: on it. Despite the production, there's no doubt he should

526
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: have been a top ten and even top five just

527
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: on the explosive trade. It's gonna benefit this year, by

528
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: the way. Absolutely, he's big, he's fast, he's physical, and

529
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,239
Speaker 1: you're like, man, how do we miss on that? Well,

530
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: you know he didn't have a great Yeah, yeah, but

531
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: you see it. And if the guy's wired right, you're right.

532
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: And the wiring is the other big part and roar

533
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: Gary is absolutely gonna do that. Had the conversation UM

534
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: had people talking about just stupid times. Stupid times. I

535
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: think he's gonna I think he's gonna run like low

536
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: four or five. He's gonna go sub four or five.

537
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: And at that size, he's going to be dynamic. We're

538
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: talking about pounds pounds. I had people tell me, like, man,

539
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: he kind of reminds me of Justin Tuck, who was

540
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: an outside guy that could play inside and sub packages

541
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: and rush the passer from inside. And so as you

542
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 1: look about the creativity and people look at Aaron Donald

543
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: and how he's able to dominate the game from inside,

544
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 1: the more you can do. And it brings me to

545
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: another guy, Christian Wilkins, who is kind of an enigma

546
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: from a draft perspective in terms of what do you

547
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: do because he is a wow whoa player, meaning you

548
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: see the wild plays and in two plays later you're like, whoa,

549
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: you want it? Yeah, let's get it. Here we go

550
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins. That's just like reading theater right here, and

551
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: you're in a nice comfortable chair. You can't see Bucky

552
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: right now, but he's lounging in my hotel room right now. Uh.

553
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: Wilkins has solid size for the position. He's been a

554
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: disruptive presence along the Clemson line throughout his career against

555
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: the past, quick feet and hands wins early in the

556
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: down at his best when slanting and working through edges

557
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: of blockers. Isn't a powerful bul rusher, but don't you

558
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: yawn against the run, He's much better on the back side,

559
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,239
Speaker 1: relies on quickness to slip blocks, does a good job

560
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: avoiding cut blocks on the front side. Hell occasionally get

561
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: too high. Purr overall, Wilkins as upside as a pass

562
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: rusher and penetrator, but you'll have to live with some

563
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: of the deficiencies at the point of attack. I mean,

564
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: that's what he is like. You have to be able

565
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: to work through with some of that. It's gonna be

566
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: some uggly snaps. You're gonna get dumped. On the case,

567
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna're gonna get dumped. He's gonna leave you one anymore.

568
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: But you just all see guys that are flexible that

569
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: I was talking to a GM today. It's just like,

570
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: we've got to find interior pass rushers. He's like, when

571
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: we're playing against them, you can't get away from him.

572
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: When I don't care how great you are coming off

573
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: the edge, I can throw bodies at them. I can't

574
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: do anything when they're in get the one on one.

575
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean you saw it when look at Aaron Donald

576
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: when the Charges played against the Baltimore Rabys, they were

577
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: able to pull those dudes inside. They were able to

578
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: put Melvin ingram on it on a guard that was helpless. Yeah,

579
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: I mean it changes the game. And so if you

580
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: have someone that can attack the quarterback from a one

581
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: technique or three takes by j Simmons is sky high too.

582
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: It is a game change. Jeffrey Simmons from Misissippi State

583
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: has u has some character stuff from high school teams

584
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: have sort through, but everything at the school at Mississippi

585
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: State seems to have been very positive there. So he's

586
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: a name keep an eye on as well. All right, Buck,

587
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: we we have some NFL thoughts here. We've touched on

588
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: it a little bit. Just with these games. I know

589
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: you've got a chance with you with Rehet. Did you

590
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: do this with Nick Foles? Just I don't know Nick

591
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: Foles out of the playoffs, So I have to get

592
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: a new nickname. You still gotta do some work for us,

593
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: um just real quick, you know, I haven't been at

594
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: that Patriots Chargers game. It was a masterful game plan

595
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: by the Patriots. The Chargers just just kind of played

596
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: that that soft average and tom Brady just eats eats

597
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: him alive. Here's the thing. Most teams aren't patient enough

598
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: and efficient enough and accurate enough to maintain those twelve

599
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: fifteen play drives. That guy is And we've talked about

600
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: it before and said it that's that's a different rule

601
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: for him. So to me, I'd rather I'd rather, hey,

602
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: let's go down, let's go down swinging, let's press up,

603
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: and if tom Brady beat you over the top of

604
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: those guys, it happens. But I don't know, I wouldn't

605
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: like see the charters challenge them a little bit more upfront,

606
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: you know it. It was funny because like if you

607
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: wonder which version of the Patriots was going to show up.

608
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you heard postgame tom Brady saying, we

609
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: know everyone thinks we subtle little chip. They got a

610
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: little chip, and you know, like, this is not the

611
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: most talented version of the Patriot that we've seen. But

612
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: I've been around long enough to remember in two thousand,

613
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: two thousand one, this was a team that they went

614
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: with David Patten and David Gibbons and Troy Brown, and

615
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: they didn't really have notable names on the outside, but

616
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: they were a team that collectively played a really good

617
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: version of complimentary football. They ran the ball, pour football

618
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: and death by a million paper because stuffed by many

619
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: paper cuts and screens and all that other stuff. And

620
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: then they did enough on defense. And what I saw was, Man,

621
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: this team is kind of going full circle. And I

622
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: heard someone talk about this and says, like the Patriots

623
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 1: play at a different level than everybody in terms of

624
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: they experiment during the regular season to figure out how

625
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: to be the best version of themselves in the playoffs,

626
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: and they kind of got to the form of the

627
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: last two weeks of the regular season and then doing

628
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: the playoffs, Like, this is how we have to play

629
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: with the team that we presently constructed. We can't play

630
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: the way that we played in two thousand and seven.

631
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: We can't throw the ball all over the yard now

632
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: less hone in and do the things that we can

633
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: do to win games. And so they are a difficult out.

634
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: And this is a game where Kansas City is the

635
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: more talented team. But can they knock what we call

636
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: the champion out? Can they knock the Patriots out, because

637
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: I think it's a tough task for a team that

638
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: has been there and is very, very comfortable living in

639
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: that championship game space. Here's one piece of advice for

640
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. Go back and look at every

641
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: big play that you gave up this year because you

642
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: practice against it, because they will adopt it, they will

643
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: implement it, and they will call it. I'm sitting up

644
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: there in the booth with Matt with with money and uh,

645
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: the Patriots from the screaming, Oh yeah, that was from

646
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh game. Pittsburgh got that one they run into

647
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: the place. Oh yeah, Kansas City ran that one against

648
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: the Church. I mean, it's just like a collection. They

649
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: just go collect plays that that work. And Uh, I'm

650
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: sitting here thinking, just having been there for the Charger

651
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: Chiefs game, I'm like, oh, yeah, they're gonna see a

652
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: lot of stack. They're gonna see a lot of stack,

653
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: and they're gonna make them communicate and try and sort

654
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: all that stuff out because they bust, because they absolutely busted.

655
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: So they're going to give somethings to make them communicate

656
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: and and figure out if they saw and shift. Can

657
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: you handle the communication part of it, because we saw them,

658
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: Uh in the Charges game, they gave up a touchdown

659
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: and a two point version simply on communication issues. So

660
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: they're going to get that it's coming. And I've said

661
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: this and people have jumped in my timeline because I said, look,

662
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: the one thing we know about the Patriots, they're going

663
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: to do their best to take away Tyreek Hill and

664
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey. They're gonna make the other guys beat them.

665
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: And so we're like, oh, should they tried at the

666
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: first game. Yeah, they did, but they'll make it even

667
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: more considered effort to make sure. Like in that game,

668
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: I saw play a lot of Cover one against the

669
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: Charge and once they got up all day and they

670
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: were like, look, we'll let you run it because we

671
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: don't think, as we talked about the patience and discipline,

672
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: you're not patient enough. And I think that's how they're

673
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: going to from those that don't know, from a quarterback's perspective,

674
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: trying to throw against two man is the worst. And

675
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: they just played trail technique and undercut everything because they've

676
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: got they've got two over the top. It is hard

677
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: to play against that. That's when that forty Niners defense

678
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: was rolling with Justin Smith and all the Smith and

679
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: that team that went to the Super Bowl. They lived

680
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: in two man because they could stop the run without

681
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: having to drop a safety down, and so they just

682
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: played that. It's hard to play against that defense. You

683
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: can't run the ball, very hard to play against. And

684
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: I I'm pointing people back to the Pittsburgh game that

685
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: the Pages played a few weeks ago, and even though

686
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: they lost, they did a great job of containing Antonio Brown.

687
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: They also slowed down Juice Smith Schuster. Yeah, Jalen Samuels

688
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: had a big game and everyone was sited part of

689
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: it because he was like, oh, you can give them

690
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: because the explosive plays come through the air and not

691
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: through the ground. They kept the score down because they

692
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: made them run it. They don't want Kansas City to

693
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: get the explosive plays because the explosive plays will juice

694
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: up the crowd. They're going to make Damian Williams be

695
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: a factor in this game. I was talking to somebody,

696
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: uh not here. It was on the phone about a

697
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: week or two ago, and he was telling me about

698
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinators philosophy, and I thought it was fascinating.

699
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: He said um, look if if if you're getting people

700
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: as you say, like to stay on get four yards

701
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: on first down, stay on schedule. And he said, look

702
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: our defensive coordinator, you don't care, he said, until you start,

703
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: until you rip off some twelve and fourteen yard runs.

704
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: He said, if you run four yards on first down,

705
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: he said, he's not gonna adjust. We're gonna keep our

706
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: safeties high until you prove you can get an explosive.

707
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: Then we'll drop a safety down. But I'm gonna play high.

708
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna give you can have your four yards,

709
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: whatever you want, because then the thought is eventually gonna

710
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: get off schedule, gonna give up any big plays. You

711
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: have a blown assignment, you have a penalty, you have

712
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: something that kind of gets you behind the change and like,

713
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: oh we got you. Because when people think like you're scared,

714
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: oh man, four yards, like you have all your four

715
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm not drop. I'm not gonna just I'm not gonna

716
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: get out of what I'm doing until you start running

717
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: some explosive I've heard people talk about. I've heard from

718
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators say like no, we're going to stop the

719
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: big passes and we're going to make you run the football,

720
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: and if you can prove that you can run it,

721
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: then we're dropping into It's just exactly what you're saying.

722
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: It's to shift and the way the different coordinators are thinking,

723
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: because everyone will always talk about even when you started,

724
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: these old school coordinators, stop the run. Stop the run. Yeah,

725
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: but it's a different version. But the way they view

726
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: it is stopping explosive runs. We're gonna stop explosive runs

727
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: three or four yards on first down. That's how I

728
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: had have had it because because most play callers they

729
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: want the big stuff. They want to chunk place. Do

730
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: you have enough patience to just nickel and dammit down

731
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: the field with the running game? Most people don't. Other

732
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: game there with the Eagles. Look, I tipped my cap

733
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: to the Eagles that I thought that had it changed it.

734
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought, looking at the schedule, I thought

735
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: that was the one that could get out of hand.

736
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: In fact, all the other game seemed like they got

737
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: out of him. This is the close one. In fact,

738
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: they had a chance to go down and win the

739
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: game late if not for an unfortunate trap. When you

740
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: find out you know, all seon Jeffrey, what he's playing

741
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: through with with ribs and everything else. I mean that

742
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: that is a The word grit is overused. I've read

743
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: the book, We've talked about it. But that football team,

744
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: I think you gotta tip your caps. That's a greedy bunch,

745
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: and the Saints in their defense greedy bunch as well,

746
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: to be able to not play your best and find

747
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: a way to get a win. Yeah, I think that's

748
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: the thing. And I think we've seen we're seeing the

749
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: four best teams in football in the tournament. Like, I

750
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: think we can confidently say these are the four best

751
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: teams in football. Um, they're here for a reason. Uh

752
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: you notice their flaws are not glaring on either side

753
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: of the ball. So we can talk about Kansas City

754
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: and their defense. Their defense tightened up and they have

755
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: what we talked about that you have to have in

756
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: skill playmakers up front. We've seen Justin Houston's show up

757
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: and make plays. We've seen Derry d Ford make plays.

758
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: And they're getting timely contributions from the guys in the

759
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: back end. And so it will continue to be interesting

760
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: to see how this goes. But back to the says

761
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: and the rams, I think the part of this game

762
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: that is fascinating to me is the Rams have stumbled

763
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: into what I think is the biggest X factor in

764
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: c J. Anderson. C J thought on that c J.

765
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: Anderson has given the Rams a unique thing. They now

766
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: have a big one too punch. Most of time when

767
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: you have one two punches, you have a big back

768
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: and a little back. The little back is assigned the

769
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: role to catch the ball out the backfield. The big

770
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: back does the other dirty work. But in c. J.

771
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: Anderson and Tied Gurley, they're ver very similar, Like they

772
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: don't have to change their offense. They're just running downhill.

773
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: And because the way they incorporate the backs into the

774
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: passing game, I talked to a running backs coach today said, look,

775
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: both of those running backs can play in the past

776
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: game because they're just checked down guys. Todd Gurley is

777
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: used for screens, but really they play action. The running

778
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: back ends up over the ball. He was like, it's

779
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: not like they're asking those running backs to be a

780
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: Levy and Bell type and move all over. He said,

781
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: And you're getting two guys that are really really comfortable

782
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: in his own scheme. And he told that what people

783
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: miss on c. J. Anderson last year hint a thousand

784
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: yards on a different team, maybe twenty pounds, but he's hefty.

785
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: He's hefty, he said. But he gained a thousand yards

786
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: behind the Denver offensive line that wasn't very good. And

787
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: so the toughness and stuffy you're seeing is c J.

788
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: Anderson running behind a good offensive line is different. And

789
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: so I think Sean McVeigh actually stumbled into a formula.

790
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: They gave the Rams a better opportunity to win the

791
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: Super Bowl than they were the way they were playing

792
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: at the middle to the end of the season. I

793
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: think they found a recipe that can they can take

794
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: on the road and win. And look, I I picked.

795
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: I think we both picked the Cowboys to win that game.

796
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I thought, Okay, with the perimeter

797
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: run game that they like with Todd Gurley, mat that

798
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: matches up with the linebackers for the Cowboys and Cowboys

799
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: to be able to scrape and get over there. Well,

800
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: I didn't realize c J. Anderson the hammer was gonna

801
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: come out and go right between the tackles and go

802
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: right at them. And and they had no answer for that,

803
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: no answer for it not And I can't go back

804
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: and think about the last two times that we've seen

805
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 1: a team have two backs that they interchange and play

806
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: like that, Like you just don't see it. I have

807
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: to go all the way back to when I was

808
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: rounding the Raiders. The Raiders had Tavern Wheatley and Zach

809
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: Crockett and and Charlie Gardner. But you just don't see

810
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: I mean we saw the Falcons, you know, but again

811
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: they're kind of small but too bankers, Like jeez, like,

812
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: it's a lot to have to deal with down after down,

813
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: those big backs, no, no doubt. Anyways, Well, it'll be

814
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: fun to watch um this uh this weekend here. I

815
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: think we've got two great matchups. I think they're both

816
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: kind of pick them games. Uh, it'll be fun. It'll

817
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: be fun to uh to watch both three matches. Right, So,

818
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: these guys know each other extremely well. I think coaching

819
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: definitely matters when you get in this. Coaching definitely matters.

820
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: What will the Rams do because Thomas had a huge

821
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: game over two yards receiving really worked on Marcus Peters.

822
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 1: But now Big brothers back and keeps the leap, comes back.

823
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: Maybe he takes on that matchup. We'll see. The chess

824
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: match will be fascinating the second ago around. Got some

825
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: good news for folks at home too. You can stream

826
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: every for NFL playoff game live on your mobil or

827
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: tablet through the NFL or Yahoo Sports apps. So you

828
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: won't make a big game here this weekend, all right? Buck?

829
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to get to before we get

830
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: out of here? No, I can't wait. What's for dinner?

831
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: By the way, have you eaten dinner? I ate a

832
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: little something. I can't just take a nap. I took

833
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: the red I can't got some more reports. I got

834
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: it right up. I don't know. They've got a great

835
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: group or sandwich downstairs solid. I don't think. I don't

836
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: think the group of saying it's gonna be you don't

837
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: think so. I don't that tonight. I don't know. I

838
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: get the little I don't want. They have the ice

839
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: cream parlor and like some bagels or something that I

840
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: ain't gonna do it. I've had Chick fil a twice already.

841
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: Down here? Are we gonna go? Are we gonna go

842
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: to the waffle House? At some point we get to

843
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: the waff House. That's some point we get to the

844
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: w What were we thinking? Came Thursday? Friday, maybe somewhere

845
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: to I can't peak too so dinner breakfast for dinner though, right,

846
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: not breakfast? Oh yeah, that's the only way to do it.

847
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: Oh man, you took me. It'd been it had been

848
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: a decade before I had been, and then last year

849
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: Buck took me there, and I've been thinking about it

850
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: for ever since. I can't wait to go back. I

851
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: gotta take I gotta get you to Cracker Barrel too.

852
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: Oh they they have Cracker barl Oh my gosh, they're

853
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: all over. Do you get the h Do you play

854
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: the tea game? Do you you forgot how to get

855
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: the down to the one? I don't think I've ever

856
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: done it? Do you never played to try? And I've

857
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: played the try and game. I've never been able to

858
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: get it down to just the one. T I had

859
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: it down to a size with it not forget the formula. Yeah,

860
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, Scouts is old school. Remember Scouts used to

861
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: go through there and pick up the books on tape

862
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: because you could you could take the books on tape

863
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: at the Cracker Barrel and drop it off at another one.

864
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: Old school scouting, young guys, I'm learning about that nothing.

865
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: Didn't know nothing about it all right. That's gonna do

866
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: it for us. Thanks for listening to Move the Sticks.

867
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for downloading, subscribing. Check out all of our videos

868
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: NFL dot com Slash MTS video YouTube dot com slash NFL.

869
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: There's a real humdinger of a mock draft video that's

870
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: coming your way. Hungry for mock drafts, It is coming.

871
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: Be on the lookout for that. I appreciate you guys listening,

872
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: and I'll catch you next time. Right here, I Move

873
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: the Sticks. Thanks for downloading Move the Sticks with Daniel

874
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. For more, go to NFL dot

875
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: com Slash Podcasts about God Before Appear, Moved Before Thought,