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Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 1: day Impure normal podcast network. Now get ready for another

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Speaker 1: episode of Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. Welcome

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Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject

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Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi. I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty

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Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the

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Speaker 1: existence of life after death. On each episode will discuss

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Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have

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Speaker 1: survived physical death, and so will we. Welcome to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. Our subject today is the Wiji board

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Speaker 1: fact or fiction. I got a request to do a

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Speaker 1: show about this topic from perhaps our biggest fan. His

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Speaker 1: name is Tom, so I am always open to suggestions. Today,

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Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to a woman who has

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Speaker 1: been working with the wig board since nineteen seventy three

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Speaker 1: and actually she calls herself a we geologist. Her name

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Speaker 1: is Karen Dolman and she's a psychotherapist. Actually, she is

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Speaker 1: an amazing woman and is the author of three books,

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Speaker 1: The Spirit of Alchemy, The Spirit of Ouigi, and the

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Speaker 1: Spirit of Creativity. So let's get onto this very controversial subject.

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Speaker 1: Karen Dolman, warm, welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Hi, Sandra,

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Speaker 1: very glad to be or thank you for having me today.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. I'm so excited that I little talk tied

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Speaker 1: and your introduction, But I mean I'm really excited because,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I think the subject matter that we're

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Speaker 1: to some and so I know controversy sells, so we'll

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Speaker 1: see where it all goes. Just to start out, Karen,

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Speaker 1: first of all, thank you for saying yes to being

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Speaker 1: on the show. Oh absolutely, You're very welcome. I've heard

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Speaker 1: some really wonderful things about you and h how warm

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Speaker 1: story begin that you get involved in this world? And

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Speaker 1: just keeping in mind that, of course people love to

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Speaker 1: So if you can give us some of your background. Absolutely. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm one of those children at a very young age.

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Speaker 1: But I also had what we might call an imaginary

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Speaker 1: he his thoughts would come into my own. It was

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Speaker 1: learned pretty much at a young age not to talk

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Speaker 1: So Sandra I quickly ran home told my parents it's true,

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Speaker 1: learning in church. I was a Catholic. We were rats

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Speaker 1: Catholic and I was told, you know that that you

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Speaker 1: that you had Guarden angels. And already knew at angels

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Speaker 1: because I talked to him, I saw him, but here

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Speaker 1: I asked for a week aboard for Christmas. I got

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Speaker 1: one from Santa Claus that year. God loves Santa Claus.

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Speaker 1: God loves Santa Claus. And it was this was December three,

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Speaker 1: and the day after, on December twenties X nineteen seventy three,

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Speaker 1: the Exorcist movie came out, so it was kind of cool.

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Speaker 1: exploring the other realms with this incredible tool. Incredible And

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Speaker 1: it was in the Exorcist movie that the Wegia board

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Speaker 1: came out as a horror. Yeah, in that movie, Reagan

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Speaker 1: It came out in eighteen nine. Yeah, it's that old.

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Speaker 1: And get this, in nineteen sixty six through nineteen sixty seven,

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Speaker 1: Of course they used the Wegia boar because it was

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Speaker 1: in in a negative manner. Yeah. Really interesting how these

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Speaker 1: from the movie. But here's the thing. I'm all about

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Speaker 1: good messages, not bad. Well, on one hand, you know,

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Speaker 1: the whole world knew about recording and people started doing it.

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Speaker 1: So maybe through the this conversation we can demystify the

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Speaker 1: away the the stigma of scare. Well, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: did all the Confirmation, did all that. We had a rosaries,

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Speaker 1: my family wasn't like, oh bad wigia board. They're more like, sure,

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Speaker 1: I'm communicating with these different dimensions in realms and but

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Speaker 1: but I never had the fear instilled in me other

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Speaker 1: you can't do the wigia board. And always said, why

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Speaker 1: and that's what's gonna work for you. And the reason

426
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: why is because again, it's not the board, it's how

427
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 1: you feel about yourself. The energetic vibration you raise yourself

428
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: too that allows you to reach into these other realms.

429
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 1: Very good, my mind is going to like an image

430
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: of dousing rods, you know, yes, the old timers that

431
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 1: would douse for where to build a well and all

432
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: that stuff, and people always thought that these rods had

433
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: magic powers. But no, it's got nothing to do with

434
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: the rods. The body would signal the rods to open up.

435
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: You know that we are the channel, we are the instrument.

436
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: It's not the board, it's not the rods, you know,

437
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: it's it's us, exactly and exactly and and so some

438
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: of us, like I was so young, and was the

439
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 1: way I learned to tap into these realms. And so

440
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: I just worked very well for me. So you know

441
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: today it's like I love, I enjoy doing it. I

442
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,479
Speaker 1: enjoy using the board. I enjoy that direct communication. I

443
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: enjoy how well it works for me. And here I'm

444
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: on my forty three, forty four year. Excuse me, I'm

445
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: going to my forty fourth year using this tool. And

446
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: it's been such a part of my life. But again

447
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: I don't need it. Um I can speak directly with spirit.

448
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: I started there when I was very young, and I'm

449
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: full circle back there again. But I do enjoy having

450
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: this tool. Dawsing rods I love too, and I love

451
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: to row. I have a bunch of tarrow decks and

452
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: oracle cards. But again that's just a tool. And I

453
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: just want to stress as as you've been stressing to

454
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: soundra to the audience, is that there there doesn't have

455
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: to be any negativity associate with this except for the

456
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: negativity you want to bring to it. In fact, I

457
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: don't even believe in evil. I believe in evil people

458
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: and people have in evil behaviors, but I don't believe

459
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: in evil inherently. It's what we bring to the table

460
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: and what we project onto things that makes it so. Yes,

461
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: I've event And you know, Karen, it's so funny because

462
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: we're talking about this and I hear the words coming

463
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 1: out of my mouth and you know, it's just a board, cardboard,

464
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: but my belief in what my brain is still trying

465
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: to me to convince this, Well, there's no way in

466
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: hell you're gonna get one. Sandra, Like, that's what's coming

467
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: in my mind right now. And I love that because

468
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: we have to do what I tell people. I say,

469
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: explore that within yourself, because people are like I want

470
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: to do I wanna do? Okay, And then I say, well,

471
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: what do you really think and feel about it? Well?

472
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: I was told this, and I say, then look at that, next,

473
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: look at that, because you're gonna if you take this

474
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: tool and start using a tool and you still have

475
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: some trepidation, even subconscious trepidation, you're going to attract more

476
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: negative things to you. But just as easily if you

477
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: have different intentions and beliefs, you can draw these magnificent

478
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: angelic beans and source energy and cereal beans that have Gosh,

479
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: the stuff they say is just profound. I mean, they

480
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: read all my books with me. Their names should really

481
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: be on these books. They said, we want no gratitude

482
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: or were we want no accolade for that because we

483
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: are here to support you, and you're the one in

484
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: human form that they're kind of coming through right now

485
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: and saying that. So it's just it's really you have

486
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: to look at how you feel about any tool you use,

487
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: and if you bring that to the table, then you

488
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: will tend to get you know, whatever it is you

489
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: you think, it's kind of like the placebo effect. You

490
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: believe the sugar pill is going to work for you,

491
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: it will. If you don't believe it's not gonna work,

492
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: it probably won't. Same thing here. So and also, you know,

493
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: this just brings up to me challenging beliefs because if

494
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: I've got you know, this maybe subconscious belief that yeah,

495
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about this, but I'm not going to get one.

496
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: But what other beliefs do I hold is true? You know,

497
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: as human beings in our younger days. I mean, how

498
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: many people believe that they're not smart enough, how many

499
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: people believe they're not lovable, how many people believe they

500
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: can't play sports? This might just be a good conversation

501
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: to realize that we've got to challenge our beliefs because

502
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's not a single one of us. It's

503
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: not lovable. So nobody's saying you have to go out

504
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: and buy Wigi Bore. But if you can use this

505
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: conversation to challenge some of those beliefs and be open

506
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: to whether it's creating your own boarder or using something

507
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: to get yourself closer in touch with the spirit realm,

508
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: all good. So let's talk about tying it in with

509
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: how you've used it that you believe in life after death.

510
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yes, there's I just want to say that

511
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: comment you just made. I just gosh, it's brilliant to

512
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: say that because what I find, and this is how

513
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: I help people reach into their greatness with this tool,

514
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: and not just this tool, but these ideas like you're

515
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: you brought up. It's the concept that there are many

516
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: possibilities to life. And as you said, if you can

517
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: explore what's going on internally within yourself, your whole life

518
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: externally will be different. If you really yeah, if you

519
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: really can clean up that stuff in there, because it's true.

520
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: We all were born in love and light and they're

521
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: they're not inherently evil, not wicked, and not sinned full

522
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: of sin. We were born pure and light and we

523
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: can get back to that place. And I find this

524
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: tool is help people do that. But I also find

525
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: just having this conversation exploring, like you said, your internal

526
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: beliefs is where it needs to go. That's that was

527
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: so well said. So yeah, good, good, good sideway into

528
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: this and so um, this is what has happened for

529
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: me with this, with this tool, with the afterlife. So

530
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: we started talking with that sister Um and I was

531
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: just blown away, not just that we could talk to her,

532
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: blown away that she was still alive. And so with

533
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: the spirit guides tell me all the time, they say,

534
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: what you guys, humanity calls death, we call life. There

535
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: is no such thing as death. It's always a continuation

536
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: of life. It just changes form Karen, I apologize to

537
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: cut your short, but we need to take a quick

538
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: break and then we'll let you continue. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to

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Speaker 1: Coast a UM paranormal podcast network. Heard on the I

556
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: Heart radio app Apple podcasts, or wherever you find your

557
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: favorite shows. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm

558
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: Sanders Champlain and we are here with WEGI board expert

559
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: Karen Dlmon. Now, Karen, just before the break, you're saying

560
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: the spirits say what you call death, we call life.

561
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: Can you say more about that? There is no such

562
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: thing as death. It's always a continuation of life. It

563
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: just changes form. So they get into the physics of it,

564
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: but they say, this is what we experience. Now, when

565
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: I talked to somebody who's passed over, and I do

566
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: that quite often, and I have many many times over

567
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: the years, they will say, oh my god, it's such

568
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: a joy to be here. I've had nobody say this

569
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: sucks or it's over. It's always been a beautiful continuity

570
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: of love. Now, what really made me look at this

571
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: tool and look at the afterlife in an even grander way?

572
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,479
Speaker 1: And I would like to share this story with your

573
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: listeners because it kind of parroted what had happened to

574
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: me at a young age of the age of eight

575
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: with this with the sister who was deceased. So the

576
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: story goes like this, Now, this was about thirteen years later,

577
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: so here we are. It was. It was I had

578
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: taken the board with me to college towards the end

579
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: of my college years, I think for the last year

580
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: year and a half, and I had a sorority, and

581
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: I was there's a couple of girls in this group

582
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: that were really good at using the board with me,

583
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: and everybody was pretty cool about it, no big cared,

584
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: you know. And there's a few people in the house

585
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: that the story house that we're a little freaked on it.

586
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I'll just you know, I'll do

587
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: it in my own room or whatever. And they said,

588
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, we're curious. There's all these stories we're hearing

589
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: and this is really fascinating. We'd like to see you

590
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: use it, but we don't really believe it's real. And

591
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: I said, okay, to this day, I don't. I don't

592
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: approve anything. But then I felt like I wanted to

593
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: prove to them something was going on here. I was.

594
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: I was kind of an audition, different mission with the tool,

595
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: so I invited. It was about eight women, um, and

596
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: then myself, and then the person who operated the board

597
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: with me, and then a person who was writing who

598
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: was a scribe. What I did was this, and I

599
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: kind of popped this on my partner who using the board.

600
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: I said, We're gonna blindfold herself. She's like, okay, we'll

601
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: do that. We have such a strong connection with this

602
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: deceased woman we were talking to that we knew that

603
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: she would come through, and I also had a spirit

604
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: guide who was coming through, and I knew that there

605
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: was no problem with this tool working. So we had

606
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: that much faith in our abilities to work this tool.

607
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: I should say we had a faith in our own abilities.

608
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: So we sat down blindfolded ourselves. We used her board,

609
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: which was an older board than my mind, the Circus

610
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: seventy three hers with circa nineteen late fifties sixties, so

611
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: it was a board that was a lot larger and

612
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't used to using it, and we put it

613
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: on our laps. We sat down cross legged from each

614
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: other on our laps. We were blindfold could not see

615
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 1: put her hands in the plan chet, and we just

616
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: opened it up asking for the guide to come through.

617
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: And then the other gal was sitting there ready to

618
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: write take dictation. So here we are. It starts the

619
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: plant chet, which is the piece that goes on the

620
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: on the board, which is an indicator which points to

621
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: the letters. It starts moving rapid fire Sandra around this

622
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: board really quickly. I'm used to that, but at that

623
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: time I wasn't used to that kind of rapidity. This

624
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: was so rapid. A little move, move, move, I hear

625
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: a little sniffle of room. I'm like, is everything okay?

626
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: They're like, no, no, go go on, go on, move

627
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: move moving, and this girl's writing and I'm just I'm

628
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: just trying to keep my fingers on for dear life. Basically,

629
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: it stops comes to complete stop halts. So we pull

630
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: our blindfolds off and I asked the gal right, and

631
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: I said, please please read what it says. Now, I

632
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: always changed the names of people solvespecifically. Yeah, yeah, So

633
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: this is basically what it said, and so it's not

634
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: verbatimout how the book I'm reading in front of you,

635
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: but it's in my book. The spirits that we to

636
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: verbate him I used to keep and I still do

637
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: copious notes of every session. So what it said was this,

638
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: dear Layla, this is your sister. I want you to

639
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: know that I am fine, and so is my boyfriend.

640
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: We love you, still with you. We died on impact.

641
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: Please do not carry the burden of our loss anymore.

642
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: I know that the only pain we feel is the

643
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: pain that you carry because you feel like you've lost us.

644
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: We are here, we will always be with you. We

645
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: love you. Tell mom and dad, I give my love

646
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: and we'll be with you again. Now. When that happened,

647
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: there was not a dry eye in the room. We

648
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: just listened to the message. It was quiet, you could

649
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: hear a pen drop. And then the gal who this

650
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: message is for started crying. I went, what you got

651
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: a dead sister? I don't even know she had a

652
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: dead sister. She apparently had a daughter, A sister had

653
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: died four or five years earlier. She never talked about it.

654
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: Nobody in that room knew but her. And I'm like,

655
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: wait a second, Okay, something's going on here. Plus we're blindfolded. Okay,

656
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: So we sat there, she's crying, and the girls are

657
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: looking at us going, oh my god. And and now

658
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: my partner I knew, were like, we've been doing this

659
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: stuff for a while. This is this is really working.

660
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: And I just said, you guys, no more fun and games.

661
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: I only to prove anything to anybody else, I said,

662
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: this changes the whole thing with this tool. This is

663
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: for grief, this is for closure. This is to know

664
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: that life continues on. This is to know that love

665
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: is there forever, never to end, never to seize. It's

666
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: always going to be an existence. And so that taught

667
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: me a big lesson at that moment, in that time,

668
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: that that second, it changed my whole direction I was

669
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: going with this tool, although I was doing you always

670
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: using it positively, but it gave me a new focus

671
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 1: that this was very therapeutic, This was very much would

672
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: allow us to to help people and that life does

673
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: really continue on with love, nothing but love. And this

674
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: gal and our boyfriend that were killed in this car

675
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: car wreck was not their fault. They were killed by

676
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: something else. They had no animosity, no pain, and no

677
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: no fear, no grief, no disappointment, no anger. And that

678
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: was such a beautiful thing to learn. That's incredible. Your

679
00:34:54,520 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: hands must have been flying over that board was letters

680
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: and the person keeping track of each letter and writing

681
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: it all down. I mean, that must have happened fast.

682
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: It did. And and thank goodness that I was dictating.

683
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: She had done dictation before, so she was good at it.

684
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: Now when I typically use the board now I have

685
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: only one finger on the plant chet. My partner will

686
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: have like two or three on each hand. And then

687
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 1: I write with my right hand. I have my left

688
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: hand and it moves around really quickly. And I called

689
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: the letters and I just write them down and I

690
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: read them as and I that's how I can separate

691
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: myself from it, so it becomes more I'm not I'm

692
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: not in the what was the word I'm trying to say.

693
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: I dissociate in a sense from what's coming, so I

694
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: can really let it come through naturally without my influence.

695
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: And that's a technique I've taught myself over the years,

696
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: and it seems to work really well for me. Can

697
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: you do it with just yourself or do you need

698
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: a partner to do it? I can do it by myself,

699
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: and I'll explain that, uh I. For thirty nine years,

700
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: I only used it with a partner, and I'll tell

701
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: you why, Sandra. On the back of the box and

702
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: on some of the older boards, on the back of

703
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: the board it said use with a partner prefably male female,

704
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: and put this board plant chet between the two of you,

705
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: or the board with the plant chet, and rest your

706
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: fingers lightly on it. So I followed the only little

707
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: rules that were on the box and board and thought

708
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: you'd have a partner. And then I used to listen

709
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: one of my brothers when I was younger, because I

710
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: thought you had a boy with you or a man.

711
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: So what I've learned after thirty nine years, I've always

712
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: using a partner that I started using it by myself,

713
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: and I prefer a partner. I like the camaraderie of

714
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: using it with somebody and the conversations that it evokes.

715
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: And also I think when people first start out, it's

716
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: easier to feel the poll the plant chet, when the

717
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: when the energies move it of the of the energies

718
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: you're contacting, it's easier to find that and know what

719
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: it feels like. And then when you try it right

720
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: out of the box with yourself, so it's kind of

721
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: hard to do it on your own. Plus I know

722
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: people who get addicted to this tool because it is

723
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: you can have immediate results with it, and I try

724
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: to keepeople away from doing that. I'd say it's better

725
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: to do work with somebody. Oh, I'm not opposed to

726
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: it at all. If if that's all they can do,

727
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: and they then definitely they can use it by themselves.

728
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: And then how did you transition to now not needing

729
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: it and just hearing the words coming through well to

730
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: me the board because I would do it such a

731
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: long time and the spirit guides and I talked about

732
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: it was almost like it become a crutch for me,

733
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: where I had always had desires to to move it

734
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: off the board because I've always been very intuitive and pathic.

735
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: And they said, you know, you can work with this

736
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: directly without this, And they also said your work in

737
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: the world that you're doing, it slows it down because

738
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: for them it's a direct transmission. It comes really quickly.

739
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: Even when the disease speak to you, it comes fast,

740
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: and especially these ethereal beings, it comes real quickly. And

741
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: when I do the board, it slows the process way

742
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: the heck down, and so it might take you know,

743
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: you can imagine's found out all the letters. It can

744
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 1: take fifteen minutes to get something that would only take

745
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: in one minute if I was verbally saying it. So

746
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: in order to bring their messages to the world in

747
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: a more complete way, part of my goal was to

748
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: get off the board so I can even get the

749
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: more profile messages where I don't lose any words and

750
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: they don't have to be simplistic to spell it all out,

751
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: but it can come through more quickly. And so it's

752
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: something I've been practicing, you know, for the last couple

753
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: of years to do that. I just got this image

754
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: of my mind of a cartoon and it's two souls

755
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: that are like communicating telepathically and they're both looking down

756
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: with this face, you know, looking at the person on

757
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: earth with Luigi board and they're going t right, know,

758
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: like how slow? Like my God, could you please speed

759
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: this up them? You know, because we get the old

760
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: psychic communication and the spirit. I just thought it's pretty funny.

761
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: That's really that's really cute, and truly that's how it works,

762
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: and its I'll do. I'll get their their words coming

763
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: through on the board and the word will be missing

764
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: and then and I'll say, did you guys forget where

765
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: they go? We didn't forget it, you did because we're coming.

766
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: We had to slow it down for you and you

767
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: missed that word. And it's true. It's like I might

768
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: have thought in my head real quick and they go, oh,

769
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: she got it. But if I don't say it out loud,

770
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: then It's like I didn't get it and they know that,

771
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: so they work around that. We meet. That's the reason

772
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: why the letters out loud when I do it. Um.

773
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: Everybody has their own way of using this tool. I

774
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: just developed that over the years and it works really

775
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: well for me. Yeah why not? Now are you still

776
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: working with people helping them bring through their loved ones

777
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: and things like? Absolutely still do that. UM. And Also

778
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: a big thing that we've been doing is, like I mentioned,

779
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: was animal communications. Even this might sound a little strange,

780
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: but I don't think it will to your audience because

781
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: people can communicate with animals you know they're alive. I

782
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: also communicate with animals that are alive through the board.

783
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: So I can talk talk about that a little because

784
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, I've been asked that I don't talk about

785
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: the animal communication enough. And and the thing is is,

786
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, we love our animals. We fall in love

787
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: with our animals. I mean we're coming to animals and

788
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: with most human beings because of that unconditional love. So

789
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: we want to know that they go on, they have

790
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: a lot to say, and each animal is we know

791
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: just from you to even talk to your to your

792
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: animals although they're always. They tell me they're always communicating

793
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: with us, and they think it's silly when I tried

794
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: to talk to him on the board because they said, wait,

795
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: you talk to us all the time. So it's a

796
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: subconscious telepathic level where we're not even always aware of

797
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: it that we're in communication. And people do that with

798
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: their plants. They know, you know, they feel that this

799
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: plant needs this or needs that soil, or needs this water,

800
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: or needs this you know, new vase or whatever it is.

801
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: And your animals are the same, and it's more than

802
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: just reading their body language. They communicate this on such

803
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: a different it's a visceral, it's images, it's very different.

804
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: So for them to sit there and spelled, they usually

805
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: get helpers. So when I work with animals through the board,

806
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: whether they're deceased or alive, I have special i'd say

807
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: guides that come through who actually work with the animal kingdom,

808
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: and these beings will come through and help translate into words.

809
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: But how they do that as they read the vibration

810
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: of the animal, whatever the animals exuding or expressing, and

811
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: they'll pick up its images, they'll pick up it's its feelings,

812
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: and they translate that into words. That's close enough, and

813
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: that's what psychics do or mediums. W two. We're picking

814
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: up on those vibrations of the images we're receiving, so

815
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: it's very much done in them. In the imaginal realm,

816
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: those kind of centers as well, so the feeling centers

817
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: through our senses, and that's how they communicate. And so

818
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: when they come to the board, I have the helpers

819
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: that are translating that into words, and then I'm getting

820
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: real sentences to me. When they communicate, they're very much

821
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: like a little five or six year old who will

822
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: just speak their mind and there's no filters, and it's

823
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: just hysterical and it's beautiful, and it's just so wonderful

824
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,200
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00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,759
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Speaker 1: to risk. Teach your children the basic safety rules of

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Speaker 1: the virtual world. Our children are everything. Do everything for them.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: and we are here with Karen Dahlman. Karen being the

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Speaker 1: author of the spirit of Alchemy, the Spirit of Luigi,

854
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: and the spirit of creativity. Karen, before the break, you

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00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: were talking about animal communications through the Wichi board. Can

856
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 1: you give us any examples. I've done quite a few

857
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: shows where we're doing this for people with the board.

858
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: I say, me and my partner and I are doing

859
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: this on the board, and people ask questions of their animals,

860
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: and mostly people want to talk to their deceased animals.

861
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: But I will tell you this general, in general terms,

862
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Speaker 1: with the dcase animals, they do continue on. They have

863
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: continuity of life. They don't die when they transition. They

864
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: understand transitioning even before they transition. They totally get it.

865
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Speaker 1: They get that they always will exist, and they always

866
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: come through with the beautiful message, just like our loved

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Speaker 1: ones do. Of how much thank you for taking care

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Speaker 1: of me. You love me, Um, of course I've always

869
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: loved you. I will I'll be here with you again.

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Speaker 1: Those kinds of messages. Now, I've had some specific things

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Speaker 1: where I've spoken to um, people's pets that are alive

872
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: or even wild animals. For example, I had this rattlesnake.

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Speaker 1: You can talk to all levels of animals, by the way,

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00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: all different kinds. And so this rattlesnake came into my

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00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: yard and posted on Facebook, and I took pictures of it,

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Speaker 1: and I wasn't afraid of it because I knew, I

877
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: know how far they can they can jump, and they

878
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: have to be coiled up to jump they and I

879
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: know they can only go like a third of their

880
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: body and I know that stuff. And I wasn't afraid

881
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: until it coiled up. And once it coiled up, I said, okay,

882
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: time to go back in. But I got always wonderful

883
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: photos of it. And people are like, why didn't you

884
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: kill it? You know, why don't you? And I was

885
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: like why. I had such a feeling from the snake

886
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 1: that it just was passing through and it just wanted

887
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Speaker 1: to what it did. It went over to my little

888
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: fountain I have, it's just like a little waterfall, and

889
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: just duck its head in there and drank water. And

890
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Speaker 1: then it sat there for a while and then went

891
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Speaker 1: on its way. It was thirsty, and so I thought,

892
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, let me, let me communicate with this animal.

893
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: So I did, and it came through and said it

894
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: just it said it in a language I can understand. Obviously,

895
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: so it was interpreted by like an over soul energy

896
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: of this snake, of the rattlesnake, and it came through

897
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: and it said, just so you know, I just came

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Speaker 1: through to drink and I'm not afraid, and I hope

899
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Speaker 1: you aren't either. However, trust that I am a wild

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00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: animal and I will strike if I have to. But

901
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: I came through, and I've come through before just to

902
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: have a drink, and then I'm on my way. And

903
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: I was like, that's exactly what it did. And I

904
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: knew it was a heat. It said it was a heat.

905
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Speaker 1: I knew how old it was. It told me how

906
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Speaker 1: old it was. It's things like that. It's it's you

907
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: can have these kind of specific conversations with these animals.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever reconnected someone with their deceased pet. Oh, many,

909
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: many times, many different shows. I have them call in

910
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: they want to talk to them, and they have conversations

911
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: where they say or the animal come through and say

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00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 1: something specific that only they would know, or something about

913
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: what they enjoyed that happened. And I had people that

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00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: that's what I find is one of the hardest thing

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Speaker 1: for people. And I fully get it. I know you

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00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: will to Sandra. There's times when people have to put

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Speaker 1: their animals down, and yes, exactly it's awful, but it's necessary.

918
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Speaker 1: It's necessary because you don't want that animal to the

919
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: suffer right and do heroically that they don't need to

920
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: be done, and I wish we treat it we can

921
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: do with people more often too. I don't know. I

922
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: have a whole different thing on a belief on life

923
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: and death because I don't believe that death ever exists.

924
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: So what I find is people have the hardest time

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Speaker 1: with that. And the biggest question is will be that

926
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Speaker 1: I have this dog or I had this cat and

927
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Speaker 1: I had to put them down, and is ships at

928
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Speaker 1: it mere? And people hold that are these animals matters? Yes,

929
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Speaker 1: I don't blame it people at all. I fully get

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00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: it and their answers. You love me so much, Thank

931
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: you for taking care of me. It was time for

932
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: me to go and I knew that and you responded

933
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: because I was letting you know, and you took me

934
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: to this place and allowed me to go peacefully. Thank you.

935
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Speaker 1: That's what the answer is, every single time, so many

936
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: different words, but that's what the answer is. They understand

937
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: the love behind it, that you really really cared for them,

938
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Speaker 1: and you only did that out of love, and just

939
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: because we can't have a verbal language, you know, with

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00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: the alphabet that we have, and they it doesn't matter.

941
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: They feel they're animals are so feeling centered and so

942
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: telepathic and that's their communications. So they feel us so strongly,

943
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: and they feel your love and they feel your sadness

944
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: about it, and they only want you to go to

945
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: They only want you to know that everything's gonna be okay,

946
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: and and not to grieve over them, that they're here.

947
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: They're right there with you. Yes, as our loved ones

948
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: right here. No different and and animals, Yeah, you always

949
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: bother me when I used to hear different traditions say, oh,

950
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: the animals don't have souls or they don't continue on. Well,

951
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: that's just that's just hogwash, at least from my experiences

952
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: and and everything I've done with for people over the years,

953
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: with talking to the animals and the deceased, they do

954
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: continue on. Everything gets alive, Sentient beings have souls, they

955
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: do continue on. Yeah, it's beautiful. Now, do you have

956
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel where we can see you doing some

957
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: of these things? Absolutely, I'm glad you asked I do

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00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: I have a channel. It's under my name Karen A.

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00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: Dollman d H L m a In and I started

960
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: a new show in the last couple of months. I

961
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: have one show that's called The Women of Wegio. We

962
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: talk about all things we do for the last two years.

963
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: There's like sixty seven episodes. Yeah, that's fun, really fun.

964
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: We do a lot of exploration into spirituality along with

965
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: the Wigi board. I can't separate the two. But I

966
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: have a new show I just started called Creativisions TV

967
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: Beyond the Board, and I do shows where my partner

968
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: and I will show you how to use the board.

969
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: We use it, and we did a session not too

970
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: long ago where everybody on my channel subscribers got you

971
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: writing with their questions. We drew them out of a

972
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: hat and answer their questions and did a show where

973
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: we're using the board answering their questions and you can

974
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: watch and see see as an operation and how we work.

975
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: And then I do shows where I interview people that

976
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: I've met. A lot of these people I've met because

977
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: of the Weigia board, and a lot of them do

978
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: have affiliations either collecting the board or using it and

979
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: they've been on my channel talking about things such as

980
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: using crystals for healing, becoming a medium, developing your skills

981
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: menimistic of skills, um spirit communication, also developing your creativity.

982
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: So I've got a great line up there of guests.

983
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: It's a lot of really wonderful thank you, thank you,

984
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: and that that channel like your sounder, which I really

985
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: appreciate your channel. It's all about empowering yourself. Yeah, things

986
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: can be entertaining, absolutely, but ultimately we want to have

987
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: a better life and to you whatever tools we have

988
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: to know that we're not alone, that there's beings guiding us,

989
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: helping us, and our loved ones are still around and

990
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: our life is for a purpose. I mean, you know,

991
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: if we can be courageous and go after our dreams

992
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: and share and help other people, I mean that's where

993
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: the juicy stuff is. Karen lying at the time, is

994
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: there anything that you want to share that you haven't

995
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: touched on already, or you know, to just give us

996
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: some philosophy or whatever. You're right, there's always so much

997
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: to share in so many different directions. I would say

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00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: the biggest thing here is is, you know we're talking

999
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: about the Wigia board, in a way is just as

1000
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: a tool, and I want to just emphasize that again,

1001
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: it's not the board that has any magical special powers.

1002
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: It's inanimate. What it is is ourselves. Like we're talking

1003
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: about earlier, the board has really taught me about my

1004
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: own internal empowerment. But not just the board. There's many

1005
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: different techniques I use and tools and tips and ideas

1006
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: and suggesting that things I've studied over the years that

1007
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: have helped me developed that. And I would say, if

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00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: there's anything I can say in the show, that's and

1009
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: the guys are saying, as we want you to share this.

1010
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,959
Speaker 1: I think the biggest, most important message here is that

1011
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 1: we are type of being that is so so full

1012
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: of promise, so full of possibilities for expression of ourselves

1013
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: in the world at large, but also within ourselves. So

1014
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: we could just begin to turn back within ourselves and

1015
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: begin to explore this world within, and that's when we

1016
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: will see everything externally shift change, no matter what's going

1017
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: on around us in the world. If we see that

1018
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: these possibilities exists within ourselves, these beautiful abilities are within

1019
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: as the proclivities, skills, aptitudes are all within us, and

1020
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: we shift and find them, uncover them, discover them, explore them.

1021
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: We will find and express them. We will find that

1022
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: our worlds will change. And anything that you can do

1023
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: to augment yourself to do that, whether it's meditation, whether

1024
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: it's taking a walk in nature, grounding yourself, surrounding yourself

1025
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 1: with crystals, using tools such as a trow deck, whatever

1026
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: it is. It might just be yourself as a walking

1027
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: to we were talking about earlier. It's allowing yourself to

1028
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: tap into this, tap into that wisdom within, because truly

1029
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: that is sourced within yourself. Truly, that's where it's found. Karen,

1030
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: thanks so much. I wholeheartedly agree. And in this day

1031
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: that we have so much technology and our minds are

1032
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: busy between everything that's going on, and then our cell

1033
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: phones and our computers and our television and everything, there's

1034
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: not a lot of opportunity for quiet mind. And it

1035
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: really is quieting the mind and going within that, you

1036
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: know this whole. I mean, I'm just getting a visual

1037
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: of a flower. You need to water your plants and

1038
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: flowers for them to grow and bloom, and the nurturing

1039
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: for us to bloom really is quieting our mind and

1040
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: being still so absolutely absolutely I love that flower image

1041
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: because that's it does we do need in your dirt

1042
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: to this and it is delicate like a flower. And

1043
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: then once you once you discover that and allow that

1044
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: garden to grow, it becomes so robust. It becomes so

1045
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: robust that you feel super empowered and your core and

1046
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: your center that then you feel like you can do, be,

1047
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: express anything you want to in the world and just

1048
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: get stronger and stronger the more you go within. It's

1049
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: kind of really ironic in a way that that's where

1050
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: that's where you really find the truth and wisdom is

1051
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: all within and the spirit. I just saying, yes, that

1052
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: is your source. Source. Source is not here to serve you,

1053
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: sources here to work through you. Wonderful Karen. What's the

1054
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: best way for people to get in touch with you

1055
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: is your website? That's right, Yes, website is a great place.

1056
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: I'm all over social media to under Karen A. Dolman.

1057
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: Have a newsletter on my website. You might want to join.

1058
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: You won't get all this crap coming out. You'll get

1059
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: something like maybe once every four to six weeks articles

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Speaker 1: and then and then also, um, yeah, come check out

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Speaker 1: a part of participate, and also really trying to help

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Speaker 1: people learn to do all this natural work themselves. There's

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Speaker 1: no taking the mysteriousness out of spirit communication or even

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Speaker 1: to help people do that. So yeah, come join me, um,

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Speaker 1: And I really love all you know people write to

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Speaker 1: So yes, I'd love to see every buddy and social

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Speaker 1: media and over at my sites. Well, Karen, it has

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Speaker 1: been a delight to talk to you. Oh, it's been

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Speaker 1: wonderful on my side. Great talking to you too, And

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Speaker 1: it's just a pleasure to be on your show. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for having me. Oh, Karen, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. And it's easy to find Karen on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: If you type in Karen Dolman we G you're gonna

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Speaker 1: Our home base is we Don't Die dot com and

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Speaker 1: at this moment in history, we have been doing stuff

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Speaker 1: You can check out our calendar, see what's coming up,

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Speaker 1: join us live. There's something different about being actively participating

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Speaker 1: for a purpose. We are all unique, we are all individual. So,

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Speaker 1: my friends, be your true self. That's when you're most attractive,

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Speaker 1: and we love you. My name is Sanders Champlain and

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Speaker 1: a warm thank you. You've been listening to Shades of

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