1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: And you're here. Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: to Ghost Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained ends here. 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: They invite you to enjoy all our shows we have 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: on this network, and right now, let's start with Chase 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Santra Champlain. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: to Coast, am employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi, 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,639 Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so will we. 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. After our last episode together, 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: I Got a Little carried Away on the website Bigelowinstitute 19 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: dot org. If you remember billionaire Robert Bigelow offered a 20 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: massive cash prize to the smartest scientists, doctors, and people 21 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: in the world to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that 22 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: human consciousness survives physical death. Today, I'd like to talk 23 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: about more of these essays in case you don't have 24 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: time to read these twenty five thousand word works of art. 25 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 2: We'll discuss the brilliant minds like doctor Michael Nahum, Andreas Crohn, 26 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: and Bernardo Castrop and I'll do my very best to 27 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: give you their stories of why they believe that the 28 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: afterlife is absolutely real. To start off, I want to 29 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: talk about a concept from the ESA say by scientists 30 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: doctor Bernardo Castrip. Normally, science tells us that the brain 31 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: creates our consciousness. They say, your brain is like a generator, 32 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: and so your thoughts, your personality, and your soul are 33 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: just the electricity it produces, and when the generator breaks, 34 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: the power goes out. That is the materialistic view. But 35 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: doctor Castrip says, no, absolutely not. The brain is not 36 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: a generator. Rather, it is a filter. It is a 37 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: reducing valve. Think of it like a blindfold. And your 38 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: soul is massive. Your soul is connected to the entire universe. 39 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 2: To all of God's love and to infinite knowledge. But 40 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: if you walked around earth feeling all of that, you know, 41 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: you wouldn't be able to function right. You wouldn't be 42 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: able to drive a car, pay your taxes, or cook dinner. 43 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: So the physical brain puts a blindfold on your soul. 44 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: It limits it's your vision, so you can survive the 45 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: human experience. If doctor Castrip is right, then what happens 46 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: when the brain shuts down? What happens when this blindfold 47 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: comes off? You don't experience less, You, my friend, experience more. 48 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: And to prove this, I want to tell you the 49 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: story of a woman named Vicky Noratuck. Her story is 50 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: famously cited by afterlife researchers because it is medically impossible. Vicky, 51 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: you see, was born blind. Her optic nerve was completely 52 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: destroyed at birth. She had never seen a shadow, a color, 53 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: or even a sliver of light. She didn't even understand 54 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: the concept of seeing. When people tried to explain colors 55 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: to her, it meant nothing. Her entire world was made 56 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 2: of sound, touch, and smell. When Vicki was twenty two 57 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: years old, she was involved in a horrific car accident. 58 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: She was thrown from the vehicle, suffered massive skull fractures, 59 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: and her brain began to shut down. She was rushed 60 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: to the emergency room clinically dead, and then her blindfold 61 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: came off. Vicki suddenly found herself floating up near the 62 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: ceiling of the emergency room, and for the very first 63 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: time in her twenty two years on planet Earth, she 64 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 2: had vision. She looked down and saw a body lying 65 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: on a metal table. At first, she didn't even know 66 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: it was her. She had never seen a human body before. 67 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 2: She only recognized herself because she recognized the feeling of 68 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: the wedding ring on her finger. She thought, oh, that's 69 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: my ring. That must be me down there. She hovered 70 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: near the ceiling, watching the doctors frantically trying to save 71 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 2: her life. She saw the tall doctor with the balding head. 72 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: She saw the metallic instruments they were using. She saw 73 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: the bright fluorescent lights of the hospital room. Then she 74 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: floated up through the roof of the hospital. She saw 75 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: the building from above, She saw the city lights, and 76 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: then she was pulled into a beautiful dark tunnel and 77 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: emerged into a place of absolute radiant light. Vicki described 78 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: seeing colors that don't even exist on earth. She heard 79 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: music that was woven into the light itself. She was 80 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: met by friends and relatives who had passed away, and 81 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: she saw all of them as beings of brilliant, luminous energy. 82 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: She saw flowers, grass, and trees, all vibrating with a 83 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: life force that she could visually witness. Eventually, Vicky was 84 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: told it wasn't her time and she had to go back. 85 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: She was slammed back into her broken, physically blind body. 86 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: When she woke up in the hospital, she was back 87 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: in the dark. The blindfold was back on. But when 88 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: she told her doctor and her family which she had seen, 89 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 2: they were stunned. She accurately described the physical appearance of 90 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: the doctors who operated on her. She described the specific 91 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: tools they used. Skeptics love to say that near death 92 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: experiences are just the dying brain hallucinating. But how does 93 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 2: a brain that has never experienced a single second of 94 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: visual input suddenly hallucinate me perfect three hundred and sixty 95 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: degree visual environment. How does a blind woman hallucinate the 96 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: exact shape of a surgical tool that she has never touched. 97 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: She can't. The physical brain was dead, but Vicki's soul. 98 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: Her true self was completely whole, completely perfect, and fully 99 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 2: capable of sight. Vicki's story prooves doctor Castrop's theory perfectly. 100 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 2: The brain doesn't create our sight, the brain limits it. 101 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: And when we leave this body, we won't be broken anymore. 102 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: We will see clearly for the very first time. Vicky's 103 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: story is about what happens when we leave the body temporarily, 104 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: what happens at the very end, what happens when a 105 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: physical brain isn't just turned off for a few minutes, 106 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: but has been profoundly broken for an entire lifetime. This 107 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: brings me to our second story, which comes from the 108 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: incredible essay by doctor Michael Naum, who writes about a 109 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: medical phenomena called terminal lucidity. Terminal lucidity is what happens 110 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: when someone who has severe brain damage, like in stage 111 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: Alzheimer's dementia or severe mental disability, suddenly wakes up perfectly, clear, 112 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: perfectly lucid just moments before they die. They remember their families, 113 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: they speak normally, and they say they're goodbyes, and then 114 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: they pass away. From a strict medical standpoint, this is 115 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: impossible if the brain is destroyed by disease, the memories 116 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: and the personality should be permanently gone, like you can't 117 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: unfry an egg, unless, of course, the brain is just 118 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: a radio receiver. If the radio is smashed, the music 119 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: stops playing, but the radio station is still broadcasting perfectly 120 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: through the air. And sometimes right before the radio loses 121 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: its power completely, the signal suddenly breaks through, loud and clear. 122 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: There's one specific case of terminal lucidity that I want 123 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: to share with you today. It's the story of a 124 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: young woman named Anna Katerina Ahmer, though everyone called her Kata. 125 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: Kata lived in Germany many years ago. She was born 126 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: with profound physical and mental disabilities. Her brain was severely underdeveloped. 127 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: For her entire life, Kata was a resident in an 128 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: asylum for the severely disabled. She could not speak. She 129 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: had never uttered a single sentence in her entire life. 130 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: She did not comprehend language. She had to be fed, bathed, 131 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 2: and cared for twenty four hours a day. She spent 132 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: her days simply sitting in bed, completely unresponsive to the 133 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: world around her. She was locked inside a profoundly broken radio. 134 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: When Kita was in her twenties, she contracted a severe 135 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 2: case of tuberculosis. Her body began to shut down. The 136 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 2: doctors and the head of the asylum, a man named 137 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: doctor Friedrich Hapitch, knew she only had a few hours 138 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: left to live. Doctor Hapitch and the nurses gathered around 139 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: her bed to make her comfortable in her final moments. 140 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: She was slipping away. And then the impossible happened. Kata, 141 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 2: who had never spoken a word in her entire life, 142 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: who did not have the cognitive ability to form a 143 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: thought or comprehend language, suddenly opened her eyes. The blank 144 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 2: stare was gone. Her eyes were bright, clear and full 145 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: of understanding. She sat up in bed and she began 146 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 2: to sing. She didn't just mumble, She sang perfectly, loudly, 147 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: with absolute beautiful pitch. She sang a very specific traditional 148 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: German hymn about the soul leaving the body and finding 149 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: its peace in heaven. The lyrics translate to where does 150 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: the soul find its home? Its peace? Heavenly peace. Kata 151 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: sang for half an hour in perfect, uninterrupted music, coming 152 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 2: from a woman who had never spoken a single syllable. 153 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: Doctor Hapitch and the nurses were completely paralyzed with shock. 154 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: Many of them burst into tears. They knew they were 155 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 2: witnessing a medical miracle. After thirty minutes of her singing, 156 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: Kata slowly laid her head back down on the pillow, 157 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: closed her eyes, and peacefully crossed over. You know, so 158 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 2: many of us watch our loved ones suffer through horrible, 159 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: debilitating diseases. We watch them lose their memories to Alzheimer's, 160 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: We watch them lose their body functions to als or cancer. 161 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: We watch them suffer from strokes or mental illness or 162 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: severe disabilities. And my friend, it's so easy to look 163 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: at their physical decline and think that the person we 164 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 2: love is fading away. But Kata proves that the soul 165 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: does not age, and the soul does not get sick, 166 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: the soul does not forget inside that severely disabled physical body. 167 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 2: Kata's soul was whole, a new language in new music. 168 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: She was just waiting for the exact right moment to 169 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: step out of that broken shell and show the world 170 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: who she truly was. If you have a loved one 171 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: who passed away after a long physical or mental decline, 172 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: please know they are not broken anymore, and they definitely 173 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: did not take that disease with them the moment they 174 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: took their final breath, the heavy blindfold was removed, the 175 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: broken radio was left behind. They stepped into the light 176 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: completely whole, completely restored, and fully awake. And just like 177 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 2: VICKI saw colors she never dreamed of, your loved ones 178 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: are experiencing a joy and a freedom that we here 179 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: on earth cannot even begin to comprehend. We are not 180 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: human beings trying to have a spiritual experience. We are powerful, eternal, 181 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: spiritual beings wearing a very clunky, very flawed human spacesuit. 182 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 2: We have seen what happens when the soul leaves the body, 183 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: but what kind of evidence do we have that the 184 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: soul can come back? What happens when a soul carries 185 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: a physical memory from one lifetime to the next. In 186 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: our next segment, we're going to open up the essay 187 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: by Andreas Crone and share a story that involves police 188 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 2: reports on us unsolved murder and a little boy with 189 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 2: a very specific set of birthmarks on his chest. Yes, 190 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: this is a story about reincarnation, physical biological proof that 191 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: our lives are connected in ways we never thought possible. 192 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the 193 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 2: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 194 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 195 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: Sandra Champlain. We're back to the Bigelow Institute for the 196 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: next essay by doctor Michael Naum titled Climbing Mound Evidence. 197 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 2: In his essay, he dives deep into what researchers call 198 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: court see, which stands for cases of the reincarnation type. 199 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: These are forensic scientific investigations, and doctor nam highlights the 200 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 2: life's work of doctor Ian Stevenson, a psychiatrist who spent 201 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: four decades traveling around the globe to investigate young children 202 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: who spontaneously started talking about past lives. Doctor Stevenson didn't 203 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: just take people's word for it. He approached these cases 204 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: like a lawyer preparing for a major trial. He would 205 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: sometimes interview more than thirty different informants for a single case, 206 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: cross referencing their testimonies to reconstruct exactly what happened in 207 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: the past. But the most undeniable cases, the ones that 208 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: make skeptics throw their hands up in the air with frustration, 209 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: are what researchers call somatic cases somatic means of the body. 210 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: These are cases where child is born with physical birth 211 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: defects or unusual birthmarks that exactly match the fatal wounds 212 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: of the deceased person whose life they remember. That brings 213 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: me to our first story. This case took place in 214 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: Turkey and involves a little boy who was given the 215 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: name Nakati by his parents. But almost as soon as 216 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: little Nanakati could speak, he became incredibly upset with his family. 217 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: He strongly refused to be called by his given name. 218 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: He would argue with his parents, insisting that his name 219 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: was actually Nissip. Now, toddlers say silly things, but this 220 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: was in play. The boy started providing highly specific details 221 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: about the life of a man named Nissip, and his 222 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: story was violent. The boy claimed that in his past 223 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: life he had been brutally murdered. He said that he 224 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: had been stabbed to death. If a child just told 225 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: a scary story, we might write it off as a nightmare. 226 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: But a little Nikati had something on his body that 227 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: couldn't be written off. He was born with exactly six 228 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: different earthmarks. Because the boy provided so many specific details, 229 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: researchers were able to investigate fifty miles away in a 230 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: city where Nikati's family had no connections and knew absolutely 231 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: no one. They found the records of a man who 232 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: had recently been murdered, and you know what, the murdered 233 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: man's name was, right, Nissip. Researchers pulled the medical and 234 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: autopsy reports. The deceased man, Nissip, had been stabbed multiple times. 235 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: When they compared the autopsy report of the murdered man 236 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: to the living body of this little boy, it sent 237 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: chills down their spines. The boys six birthmarks corresponded perfectly 238 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: to the exact locations of the stab wounds on the 239 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: murdered man's body. This evidence was so overwhelming, and the 240 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: boy's insistence was so absolute that his parents eventually gave 241 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: up fighting him. They agreed to change his name, and 242 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 2: from that point on everyone called him Nissip. Now, from 243 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: a materialistic standpoint, this is impossible. A birthmark is a 244 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: physical pigmentation or malformation of the skin. How does a 245 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 2: child's developing body inside the mother's womb know to place 246 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 2: exactly six marks in the exact anatomical locations of a 247 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: stranger's stab wounds who's fifty miles away. DNA can't explain this, 248 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: and of course genetics can't explain this. The only logical explanation, 249 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 2: and the one that fits the evidence perfectly, is that 250 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: our consciousness, our soul, is the true architect of our reality. 251 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: The soul of the sip carried the traumatic imprint of 252 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 2: his murder across the boundary of death, and when he 253 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: built a new physical body for himself to return to 254 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 2: in this world, that energetic imprint manifested physically on his 255 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: new skin. But what happens in the in between? If 256 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: we die and then we are born again into a 257 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 2: new body, as some believe, where do we go in 258 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: the meantime? Is it just a blank sleep? Or are 259 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: we awake and active? Doctor Knab's essay addresses this mystery. 260 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: About twenty percent of these children don't remember their past life. 261 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 2: They actually remember the intermission, the time they spent in 262 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 2: the spirit world between their deaths and their new birth. 263 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 2: This brings me to our second story. This case comes 264 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 2: from the country of Mayan Mar which used to be 265 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: known as Burma. It involves a little boy who has 266 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: a very long name, so I will just call him. 267 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 2: In his past life, the previous personality died in a 268 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: terrible accident. He suffered a devastating fall that caused a 269 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: massive fatal injury to the right side of his head. 270 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: And just like our previous story, little Mong was born 271 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 2: with physical evidence. He had a large, distinct birthmark on 272 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: the exact rear right side of his head, corresponding perfectly 273 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: to the fatal head trauma of the deceased man. But 274 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 2: this birthmark isn't the interesting part of the story. When 275 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: the boy started talking, he didn't just talk about his 276 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: past life as a husband. He started talking about what 277 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: he did after he died. The boy claimed that during 278 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 2: his time in the spirit world, he was worried about 279 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 2: his wife that he had left behind. He wanted to 280 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: make sure she was taken care of financially, so as 281 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 2: a spirit, he visited his wife in a dream. The 282 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 2: boy said, I went to her in a dream. Now 283 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 2: remember this is a little boy telling the story. And 284 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: the boy said, I went to her in a dream, 285 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 2: and I told her the exact secret location where I 286 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 2: had hidden some money for her. So imagine being a 287 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,479 Speaker 2: researcher hearing this. You have a child claiming that before 288 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: he was even conceived, he existed as a spirit and 289 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 2: visited a stranger in her sleep. But remember doctor Ian 290 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 2: Stevenson and these other researchers were like detectives. They went 291 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: and they tracked down the widowed wife. They sat down 292 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: with her and asked, did anything unusual happen after your 293 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: husband died? The widow confirmed it. She told the researchers 294 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: that shortly after her husband passed away, she had an 295 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: incredibly vivid dream where her dead husband appeared to her. 296 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 2: In the dream, he told her about a secret location 297 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 2: where he had a hidden stash of money. When she 298 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 2: woke up, she went to the exact hiding spot, and yes, 299 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: the money was really there. This, my friend, is what 300 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: doctor Nahm calls interrelational evidence. It connects the dots between 301 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 2: different types of afterlife phenomena. We have a child with 302 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: a past life memory, we have a physical birthmark, and 303 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 2: we have a verified after death communication, a dream visitation 304 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 2: that successfully transferred real, secret physical information. How could a 305 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: toddler and Maya and mar possibly know about a private, 306 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: secret dream that a grieving widow had years before he 307 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 2: was even born. He couldn't, unless, of course, he was 308 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: the one who gave her the dream. Now, of course, 309 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: the skeptic might say that a parent is coaching the 310 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 2: kids they want to be famous, or they want to 311 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: make some money from the deceased person's family, but doctor 312 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: Nahm dedicates a significant portion of his essay to argueing 313 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: with the skeptics. First of all, the idea that these 314 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: parents do this for money or fame is far from 315 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 2: the truth, and many of these cultures, having a child 316 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 2: talk about a past life is not seen as a blessing. 317 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 2: It's actually seen as a curse. Many parents try to 318 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: suppress these stories because they believe in their culture that 319 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: it will bring them bad luck or cause the child 320 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: to die young, so they don't call the news stations. 321 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: They hide it. Some families in rural Asian villages will 322 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: even spin their children on wheels until they are dizzy 323 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: or put already been chewed food in their mouths, using 324 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: traditional methods in their culture to erase the memories. Furthermore, 325 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 2: these children are completely upset. They cry for their real mothers. 326 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: They refuse to eat the food cooked in their own homes. 327 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: Doctor Nam mentions a boy in India named Jazz beer 328 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: Jat who died of smallpox at the age of three, 329 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: but miraculously was revived. When he woke up. He insisted 330 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: he was completely a different person. A Brahmin man who 331 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: had just died. The boy was so stubborn that he 332 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: refused to eat any food his parents cooked, demanding only 333 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 2: food prepared by a higher caste neighbor. His behavior absolutely 334 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: upset and tortured his family, and they gained zero financial 335 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: benefit from it. So do you really think parents are 336 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 2: secretly coaching their toddlers to refuse meals, scream for strangers, 337 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: and bring shame and stress upon their households. It makes 338 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 2: no sense. But here's one more story I have from 339 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: doctor Nam's essay. It's the story of a little boy 340 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: from Turkey named Suliman Zeiten. Remember the skeptical argument, the 341 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 2: parents must be verbally feeding the child information, telling them 342 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: to pretend to be someone else, and coaching them on 343 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 2: what to say. While little Suleiman was born completely deaf 344 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 2: and mute, he could not hear a single word his 345 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: parents said, and he could not speak a single word 346 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: back to them. Yet from a very early age, Suleiman 347 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: developed a severe, terrifying phobia of water, and despite having 348 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:22,239 Speaker 2: no language, he used frantic gestures and nonverbal communication to 349 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: tell his parents a story through pantomime. This little deaf 350 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 2: mute boy explained that he used to be a grown man. 351 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 2: He pantomimed riding a horse, he pantomimed trying to wash 352 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: that horse in a raging river, and he pantomimed drowning 353 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 2: to death. He was so persistent and so accurate and 354 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: gesturing that he actually convinced both of his parents and 355 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: the grieving family of one man who had recently drowned 356 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: under those exact circumstances that he was their loved one returned. 357 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 2: This is why doctor Nahm's essay is called mount Evidence. Next, 358 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 2: what does it actually feel like to leave your body? 359 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 2: What does it feel like to exist in the celestial 360 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 2: realms for what feels like weeks? Only to be sent 361 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: back to Earth with a completely new set of abilities 362 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 2: when we come back. We're going to open up another 363 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: winning essay from the Bigelow Institute. But this one wasn't 364 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: written by a scientist studying other people. It was written 365 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: by a woman who lived it herself. Her name is 366 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Crone. She was a normal mother walking through a 367 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: parking lot when she was struck directly by a bolt 368 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: of lightning. Her heart stopped, she fell to the pavement, 369 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: but she did not die. She woke up in a 370 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: garden and what she brought back from that garden you'll 371 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: want to hear about. We'll be right back. You're listening 372 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 2: to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast 373 00:25:52,840 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 2: to Coast am Hairinormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades 374 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. Here's the story I 375 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 2: promised you that happened to Elizabeth Crone, another prize winner 376 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 2: of the Evidence of the Afterlife Bigelow contest on September second, 377 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight, when Elizabeth was a twenty eight year 378 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: old and a young mother with two little boys. She 379 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 2: described herself at that time being a complete skeptic. She 380 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 2: was heading to her synagogue for a memorial service marking 381 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: the one year anniversary of her grandfather's death. She loaded 382 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 2: her two little boys into the car and drove to 383 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 2: the synagogue. As she pulled into the parking lot, a 384 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 2: freak violent storm materialized out of nowhere. The rain was 385 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: coming down heavily. She told her four year old to 386 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: run ahead to the awning Then she got her two 387 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: year old out of his car seat, held his hand 388 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 2: in her right hand, and grabbed her umbrella with her 389 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 2: left hand. What she didn't realize was that her gold 390 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: wedding ring was pressed directly against the metal shaft of 391 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 2: the umbrella. She had essentially turned herself into a human 392 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 2: lightning rod. As she took her first few steps, she 393 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: heard a crackling sound like static electricity. A tiny finger 394 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 2: of lightning shot down from the sky and struck the 395 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 2: top of her umbrella. It instantly paralyzed her left arm. 396 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: Her hand locked in a death grip around the metal shaft, 397 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: and then the main bolt hit. The sheer force of 398 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 2: the electrical current blasted through the umbrella, traveled down the 399 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: metal shaft, entered through her wedding ring, shot right through 400 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: her body, and grounded out through her feet. The blast 401 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: was so powerful that the soles of her shoes were 402 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 2: completely blown off. Her heart stopped instantly. She found herself 403 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 2: hovering a few inches above the floor inside the lobby 404 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: of the synagogue. She could see people rushing past her 405 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 2: to help, but no one acknowledged her. She felt completely invisible. Confused, 406 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 2: she floated back outside into the rain. That is, when 407 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: she saw her own body lying on the ground. She thought, 408 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: wait a minute, I'm not getting up. I must be dead. 409 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 2: The moment she accepted her death, everything changed. That rigid, 410 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 2: skeptical mindset that she had lived with for twenty eight 411 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 2: years vanished. She realized that the universe is vast and 412 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: deeply interconnected, and that the people she used to make 413 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 2: fun of for believing in heaven had been right all along. 414 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: As she processed this, a warm, golden, living glow appeared 415 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 2: to her right. It felt like a beacon of absolute safety. 416 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 2: She surrendered to it and allowed herself to be pulled away. 417 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 2: Elizabeth found herself in a place she calls the garden. 418 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 2: The colors in this garden were so brilliant, beyond anything 419 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: the human eye can perceive. The flowers were exploding with 420 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: radiant hues that don't exist on earth. She was guided 421 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 2: to sit on a beautifully carved wooden bench, and a 422 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 2: presence joined her. The presence spoke to her telepathically, but 423 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 2: used the familiar, comforting voice of her deceased grandfather. Elizabeth 424 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 2: firmly believes that this was God or a higher divine guide, 425 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: using her grandfather's voice so she wouldn't be frightened. For 426 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: what felt like two weeks, Elizabeth sat on the bench. 427 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 2: The presence poured knowledge into her soul. She was taught 428 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: that time on Earth is an illusion. Everything that has 429 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: happened and is happening, and whatever happen is all occurring 430 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 2: simultaneously from Heaven's perspective. To prove this, the presence told 431 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 2: her specific future events, including who would win the upcoming 432 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: presidential election, and that the Super Bowl, even though they 433 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: were still months away. But the most important thing she 434 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 2: learned was about unconditional love. The garden was made of it. 435 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 2: She felt completely accepted, loved, and perfectly safe. She was 436 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: told she could stay there forever if she wanted to. However, 437 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: she was also told that if she chose to go 438 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: back to her physical body, she would go on to 439 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: have a third child, a little girl who had already 440 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: chosen Elizabeth to be her mother. The thought of her 441 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: two little boys growing up without a mother and the 442 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: chance to meet the daughter waiting for her made her 443 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 2: decision clear. She had to go back. The Presence warned 444 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: her that it was going to hurt. Her soul had 445 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: expanded in the garden, and now it had to be 446 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: compressed back into the tiny, burned vessel of her physical body. 447 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: She described the pain as bone crushing and a suffocating squeeze. 448 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 2: Elizabeth gasped for air. She woke up on the wet 449 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: pavement in the parking lot and agonizing pain, surrounded by doctors. 450 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: Her story didn't end there. Even though she had a 451 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 2: wonderful near death experience, her brain, you see, had been 452 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 2: fundamentally altered. She developed synesthesia, seeing numbers as physical colors, 453 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: and she began seeing auras around all living things. But 454 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,719 Speaker 2: the most profound change was her precognition. Because she had 455 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 2: been taught in the Garden that time is simultaneous, she 456 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: started flipping into the future while she slept. She began 457 00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: having incredibly vivid, terrifying nightmares about major disasters, specifically airplane crashes, 458 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 2: days or weeks before they happened. At first, she thought 459 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: she was losing her mind. To prove it to herself, 460 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 2: she started documenting them. Every time she woke up from 461 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: a vision. She would immediately type out an email with 462 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 2: every detail she saw and then send it to herself, 463 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 2: so she had an undeniable digital timestamp. In January of 464 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, Elizabeth and her husband were on 465 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 2: vacation in Jerusalem. She fell asleep in their hotel room 466 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 2: and was immediately pulled into a vision. She woke up 467 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: minutes later and frantically started typing on her laptop. Her 468 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 2: husband asked what she was doing. She said, I just 469 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: saw a plane crash, but it's really weird. The plane 470 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 2: is floating on the water in New York City and 471 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 2: people are standing on its wings. Elizabeth hits end. The email, 472 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: stamped at two fifty seven PM said, mid size Commerciall 473 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 2: passenger jet crashes in New York City. Maybe in the river. 474 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: It is an American carrier, like Southwest or US Airways. 475 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 2: Seven and a half hours later, US Airways Flight fifteen 476 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 2: forty nine, piloted by Captain Sully Sullenberger, struck a flock 477 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 2: of geese and successfully landed on the freezing waters of 478 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: the Hudson River. The entire world watched the news footage 479 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 2: of the passengers standing exactly where Elizabeth had seen them 480 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 2: out on the wings of the floating plane. She had 481 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 2: the time stamped email to prove it. Her consciousness really 482 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 2: had expanded, granting her access to the non linear nature 483 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: of time. But of all the incredible things that happened 484 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 2: to Elizabeth Crone, there is one event that stands out 485 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 2: above the rest. About a year and a half after 486 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 2: the lightning strike. Elizabeth was pregnant with that little girl 487 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: she had been promised in the garden. It was three 488 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 2: thirty in the morning. The house was completely quiet. Suddenly, 489 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 2: the landline telephone on Elizabeth's side of the bed began 490 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 2: to ring. The ringing finally woke up her husband, Barry. 491 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 2: Elizabeth grabbed the receiver and groggily said hello. Through the speaker, 492 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 2: she heard a voice she never thought she would hear 493 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 2: on earth again. It was the soft, French accented voice 494 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 2: of her deceased grandfather. He said hello, darling, and used 495 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 2: a special childhood nickname he had always called her. Elizabeth 496 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 2: was stunned. She asked, why are you calling me? Her 497 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: grandfather replied, I need you to tell your mother something 498 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 2: for me. I've tried contacting her but she can't hear me. 499 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: But since you were struck by the lightning, you can. 500 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 2: Contacting you takes a terrific amount of energy, and I 501 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 2: don't have long to talk. Next to her in bed, 502 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 2: her husband, Barry kept whispering loudly, what are you talking to? 503 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 2: Elizabeth shushed him. Barry was a massive skeptic, and she 504 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 2: knew he wouldn't believe her. Through the phone. Her grandfather 505 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 2: gave her a specific piece of family information to pass 506 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 2: on to her mother. He confirmed that he was in 507 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 2: heaven with her grandmother and that her grandmother's dementia was 508 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: now completely gone. Then his voice started to fade. He said, 509 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 2: I have to go. Please remember to call your mother 510 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,959 Speaker 2: and remember when you were here, the feeling of unconditional love. 511 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 2: Never forget that you will have this feeling again. The 512 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 2: line went dead. Elizabeth slowly hung up the receiver, tears 513 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 2: in her eyes, and then the impossible happened. Instantly, their 514 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 2: physical bedroom filled with a thick, dense, odorless vapor. It 515 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 2: looked like a heavy fog billowing through the room. There 516 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 2: was no heat, no smell, and strangely, absolutely no fear. 517 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,959 Speaker 2: As Elizabeth and Barry sat up in bed staring through 518 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: the thick mist, a bright red light suddenly pierced through 519 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 2: the fog at the end of the hallway. It looked 520 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 2: like a brilliant laser pointer. The moment Elizabeth saw that 521 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 2: red light, she was slammed with a physical wave of emotion. 522 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 2: It was the exact same overwhelming, unconditional love she had 523 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 2: felt in the garden. Her grandfather had kept his promise. 524 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 2: He sent that feeling to her. A few seconds later, 525 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 2: the red light vanished, the thick smoke instantly disappeared. The 526 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 2: room was completely normal again. Barry turned to her in 527 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 2: the darkness, His voice now was completely calm. He asked, 528 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 2: who called? Elizabeth took a deep breath and said, my grandfather. 529 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 2: Then she asked, did you see anything just now? Barry, 530 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 2: the ultimate skeptic, disregarded his experience and said, I'm going 531 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 2: to sleep, and he rolled over and shut his eyes. 532 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 2: But his logical brain simply could not handle the reality 533 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: of what just occurred. For twenty one years, Barry never 534 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 2: spoke of that night. But two decades later, at a 535 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 2: family dinner, their adult son casually brought up the story 536 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 2: of the ghostly phone call. Barry finally admitted the truth. 537 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 2: He recounted the entire event perfectly. He admitted to hearing 538 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 2: the phone ring at three point thirty in the morning. 539 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 2: He admitted to hearing Elizabeth talk to her dead grandfather, 540 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 2: and he finally admitted to seeing the impossible smoke fill 541 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 2: their bedroom and then vanish into thin air. Stories like 542 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Crones are exactly why the Bigelow Institute created their 543 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 2: contest You don't need to have faith to believe that 544 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 2: US Airways Flight fifteen forty nine landed on the Hudson River. 545 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 2: You can see the pictures on the internet. The evidence 546 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 2: of the reality of the afterlife is overwhelming. Death is 547 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 2: not a ending. We just expand. But our journey is 548 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 2: not over for today, my friend, we have one segment left. 549 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 2: When we come back from the break, we're going to 550 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 2: explore instrumental trans communication. The voices in the static are real. 551 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the 552 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 2: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 553 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 2: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 554 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 2: Sandra Champlain and just a reminder, go to Bigelowinstitute dot 555 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 2: org and you can read many of these evidence of 556 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 2: the afterlife essays yourself. So now let's talk about instrumental 557 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 2: trans communication or i TC for short, which simply means 558 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 2: using everyday electronic devices like radios, televisions, computers, telephones, and 559 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 2: voice recorders to capture the voices and images of people 560 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 2: in the afterlife. The idea of using technology to speak 561 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 2: to the dead is not new. Even Thomas Edison believed 562 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 2: that it was entirely possible to build a highly sensitive 563 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 2: machine that could detect spiritual energies. He reasoned that if 564 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 2: our personalities survive death, they should be able to interact 565 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,919 Speaker 2: with a physical device if we could make it sensitive enough. 566 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 2: For decades, researchers have been capturing electronic voice phenomena or 567 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 2: EVP on tape recorders, but instrumental transcommunication takes this a 568 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 2: massive step further. We aren't just talking about a faint 569 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 2: whisper on a tape reel. We are talking about two way, 570 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 2: real time, highly evidential conversation with the other side. To 571 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 2: show you how powerful this is, I want to take 572 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 2: you to the picturesque town of Grossetto, Italy, inside the 573 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 2: laboratory of a man named Marcelo Bacci. For decades, Marcello 574 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 2: conducted experiments that completely shattered the known laws of physics. 575 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 2: More importantly, his experiments brought profound, life altering healing to 576 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,240 Speaker 2: thousands of broken hearts. Marcello was not a traditional medium. 577 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 2: He did not go into a trance or pass on 578 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 2: messages from the spirit world using his own voice. He 579 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 2: considered himself a facilitator for the electronics. He used an old, bulky, 580 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,760 Speaker 2: traditional vacuum tube radio. It was a standard shortwave radio receiver, 581 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 2: exactly the kind your grandparents might have had sitting in 582 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 2: their living room back in the nineteen fifties. Once a month, 583 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 2: Marcello would open the heavy wooden doors of his laboratory 584 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 2: to grieving families. These were mothers and fathers who had 585 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 2: lost their beloved children to devastating illness or a sudden tragedy. 586 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 2: They traveled from all over Italy and eventually from all 587 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 2: over Europe. Just a crowd into his small, dimly lit room. 588 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 2: They would sit unfolding chairs, hoping for a miracle. Marcello 589 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 2: would take his seat in front of the old radio. 590 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 2: The room would fall silent. He would turn the heavy 591 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 2: plastic knob powering on the machine and slowly turn the 592 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 2: tuning dial. He wasn't looking for a local music station 593 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 2: or a news broadcast. He was tuning the radio specifically 594 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 2: into the white noise, the empty, rushing static on the 595 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 2: shortwave bands where absolutely no human broadcast existed. The room 596 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 2: would fill with a loud, hissing, crackling sound of empty airwaves. 597 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 2: He would leave the dial resting entirely on that static, 598 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,280 Speaker 2: and then he would wait. Sometimes they waited for ten minutes, 599 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 2: sometimes they waited for nearly an hour. The parents would 600 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 2: sit in the dim light, staring at the glowing amber 601 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 2: dials of the old radio, listening to the hiss of 602 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,720 Speaker 2: the static. But then the atmosphere in the room would 603 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 2: suddenly shift. The random hissing sound would start to change. 604 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 2: The static would begin to roll and wave, changing its 605 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,320 Speaker 2: acoustic structure until it sounded like a rushing wind blowing 606 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 2: through a speaker, and out of that wind, a voice 607 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 2: would emerge. These were not random radio broadcasts leading in 608 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 2: from a local station. These were clear, distinct, instantly recognizable 609 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 2: voices of the deceased children, whose parents were sitting right 610 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 2: there in the room. Through the static of the radio. 611 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,839 Speaker 2: A young boy's voice would ring out, calling for his mother. 612 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 2: A teenage girl's voice would break through the white noise, 613 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 2: calling for her father. And they didn't say generic things. 614 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 2: These children would use secret family nicknames that Marcelo Bacci 615 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,760 Speaker 2: couldn't possibly have known. They would speak in their exact 616 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 2: dialects and accents they used when they were alive, and 617 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 2: even more incredibly, this was not a one way broadcast. 618 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 2: The parents would gasp, lean forward in their folding chairs 619 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 2: and speak back to the radio. They would cry out, 620 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 2: are you really there? Is this really you? The voice 621 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 2: from the radio would answer back in real time. They 622 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 2: were having active two way conversations. The children would answer 623 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 2: their specific questions. They would tell their parents that they 624 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 2: were completely safe, that there was no pain where they were, 625 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 2: and that they were surrounded by beautiful, loving light. They 626 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 2: offered absolute comfort, repeatedly begging their parents to stop crying 627 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 2: and to know that they were very much still alive. 628 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,080 Speaker 2: Can you imagine that what it would be like to 629 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 2: be a grieving mother with that intense weight of grief, 630 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,280 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you hear your child's 631 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 2: voice exactly as you remember it, coming through the speaker 632 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 2: of an old radio. So the emotion in that room 633 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 2: was overwhelming. People would fall to their knees, tears of 634 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 2: grief would be instantly turned into smiles and joy. Even 635 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 2: if they didn't hear their own loved one's voice, what 636 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 2: they witnessed was so profound they realized that death was 637 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 2: not the end. You can watch a great documentary on 638 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 2: Marcelo Bocci on YouTube, and a lot of skeptics obviously 639 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 2: get involved in this and they think that Marcelo Bocci 640 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 2: must have been a fraud, that he prayed on vulnerable 641 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 2: grieving people. But Marcello Bacci didn't hide behind closed doors, 642 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 2: and he didn't refuse to be tested. Instead, he opened 643 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 2: himself up to skeptics, and scientists came right into his 644 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,439 Speaker 2: laboratory to test and see this for themselves. A team 645 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 2: of highly credentialed researchers once arrived, bringing in their their 646 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 2: own audio equipment to monitor the room and expose him 647 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 2: as a fraud. Before the families were allowed in, the 648 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 2: scientists tore the room apart. They inspected the radio and 649 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 2: top to bottom. They looked everywhere. There were no hidden wires, 650 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 2: no secret microphones, no tape recorders, and then the session began. 651 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 2: The grieving parents filled the room. Marcello sat down and 652 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 2: tuned the radio to the empty, hissing static of the 653 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 2: shortwave band. The scientists stood right next to that radio, 654 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 2: their arms crossed, watching Marcello's every move. The wind sound 655 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 2: began to build in the static and write on cue. 656 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,080 Speaker 2: The voices from the other side started coming through the speaker. 657 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 2: A spirit was actively talking, having a live emotional conversation 658 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,319 Speaker 2: with a mother sitting in the front row, and that 659 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 2: is when the scientists made their move to shut the 660 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 2: whole thing down. When the spirit voice was actively speaking 661 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 2: through the radio speaker, the scientists stepped forward. They reached 662 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 2: into the back of the open backed machine, and they 663 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 2: physically grabbed the glowing hot vacuum tubes. With a swift pull. 664 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 2: The scientists completely removed these tubes from the radio. And 665 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 2: if you know anything about vintage electronics, you know that 666 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 2: vacuum tubes are the absolute heart of the machine. They 667 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 2: are what allowed the radio to pull a signal out 668 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 2: of the air and amplify it into sound. And without 669 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 2: those tubes, it's physically and mechanically impossible for the radio 670 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,360 Speaker 2: to produce any sound whatsoever. But the voice didn't stop. 671 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 2: The deceased spirit continued to speak clearly and loudly through 672 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 2: the speaker of a broken, disabled, physically impossible radio. The 673 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 2: conversation with the mother continued as if nothing had ever happened. 674 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 2: The voice remained perfectly clear, perfectly intelligent, and perfectly respond 675 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 2: The skeptical scientists were left completely in shock. They had 676 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 2: tried to kill the machine, but they quickly realized the 677 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:14,720 Speaker 2: machine wasn't creating the voices. After rigorous months of analysis, 678 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 2: the researchers were forced to conclude something absolutely mind bending. 679 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:26,240 Speaker 2: The spirits in the afterlife were not broadcasting a radio 680 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,840 Speaker 2: wave through the air like a normal FM station. The 681 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 2: radio was simply a focal point. The spirits from the 682 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,839 Speaker 2: afterlife were actually manipulating the physical environment of the room, 683 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 2: using their pure spiritual energy to vibrate the physical cone 684 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,800 Speaker 2: of the speaker directly. They didn't need the vacuum tubes, 685 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 2: and they didn't need the electricity. They just needed the 686 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 2: static to provide acoustic raw material and the profound, unbreakable 687 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 2: love of the parents sitting in the room. So, my friend, 688 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 2: the evidence we have for the afterlife is not just 689 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 2: a mountain. It's an entire universe of proof. From the 690 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 2: medical miracles of terminal lucidity, where broken brains suddenly heal 691 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,360 Speaker 2: themselves moments before death, to the physical birthmarks of children 692 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,760 Speaker 2: carrying the trauma of their past lives. From verified phone 693 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 2: calls in the middle of the night that leave a 694 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 2: room filled with physical mist, to the voices of children 695 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 2: coming through the static of a completely broken disabled radio 696 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,719 Speaker 2: in Italy. The physicalist idea that we are all just 697 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,120 Speaker 2: meat and chemicals, and that our consciousness simply dies when 698 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,000 Speaker 2: our heart stops, is disappearing. It cannot hold the weight 699 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 2: of this kind of evidence. The veil between this world 700 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 2: and the next is just a thin, shimmering curtain, and 701 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,280 Speaker 2: our loved ones are constantly reaching through it, using every 702 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,280 Speaker 2: tool they've got to tell us that they are safe, 703 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 2: that they are whole, that they are alive, and that 704 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 2: love never ever dies. If today's episode sparked something inside 705 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,320 Speaker 2: of you, I want you to know that there's a 706 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,279 Speaker 2: lot more evidence waiting for you. We've got lots of 707 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 2: episodes of shades of the afterlife. And of course, come 708 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 2: visit me at we dootdie dot com. When you get there, 709 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 2: if you scroll to the bottom of the page, you 710 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 2: can have a free copy of my book We Don't 711 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 2: Die as Skeptics, Discovery of Life after Death. It's my 712 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,280 Speaker 2: journey from being a complete skeptic to knowing the truth 713 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 2: about the afterlife. I also want to invite you to 714 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 2: our free Sunday gathering every Sunday, two pm New York 715 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:47,120 Speaker 2: time on Zoom. It's empowering, inspirational, comforting, and there's a 716 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,400 Speaker 2: medium demonstration in each and everyone. It's a wonderful community 717 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 2: and we have a lot of fun doing it. You 718 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,279 Speaker 2: can find the link to register there on the website, 719 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,800 Speaker 2: and if you are fascinated by the story of Marcelo Bacci, 720 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 2: also at the bottom of the page. Atweedotdie dot com, 721 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,239 Speaker 2: you can watch our film Ronaldi Instrumental trans Communication with 722 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:13,520 Speaker 2: the Other Side. It's about Sonia Ronaldi, a current day explorer, 723 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 2: and the images and audios that she's received from people 724 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,400 Speaker 2: joyfully living in the afterlife. Don't forget you're a divine 725 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 2: soul having a human experience. You are safe, you are 726 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,920 Speaker 2: one of a kind. You are here to love and 727 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,320 Speaker 2: be loved, and you are loved and in this invisible 728 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,280 Speaker 2: space right around you right now, You've got the biggest 729 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,240 Speaker 2: team of cheerleaders hoping you get out of your comfort zone, 730 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,640 Speaker 2: live your life and know how special you are. I'm 731 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,920 Speaker 2: Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for listening to Shades 732 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,520 Speaker 2: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 733 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 2: am Heirinormal podcast Network. 734 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 735 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,120 Speaker 1: ay and Paranormal podcast Network. 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