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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Brief. Join now by
Speaker 2: a very special guest, Professor Hadley Arcus, fifty years at
Speaker 2: Amherst College, tenured professor of political science there, perhaps for
Speaker 2: some of you, most notably the early tutor of my
Speaker 2: political journey twenty years ago he was. He was my
Speaker 2: advisor both for thesis and general academic advisor at Amherst College.
Speaker 2: He is now the founder and director of the James
Speaker 2: Wilson Institute, which is doing fantastic work and a Professor Arcis,
Speaker 2: as I'm fond of telling my audience any lapses in
Speaker 2: my political judgment or understanding could be squarely placed at
Speaker 2: your eminent feet.
Speaker 3: This is absolutely But look, I just rad you're the
Speaker 3: most favorite, my favorite favorite student of one of my
Speaker 3: most favorite count places high school.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Regis is a great as a great institution, and we're
Speaker 2: still trying to fight that place.
Speaker 3: From Yeah, but you are one of the two most
Speaker 3: celebrated figures from Regis.
Speaker 2: I know Fauci is the other one. Don't think you're
Speaker 2: going to surprise me with that one among the I
Speaker 2: have said, among the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your invitation is more enhanced though.
Speaker 2: Yeahs Fauci, I think is And I really say this
Speaker 2: in all honesty. I think that he may be the
Speaker 2: single most destructive bureaucrat in the history of the bureaucrat
Speaker 2: in the history of the United States. And I think
Speaker 2: he may be personally responsible for, as a function of policy, uh,
Speaker 2: more suffering misery and economic calamity than any other living
Speaker 2: American today. So that that's how I try to line
Speaker 2: it up. But a graduate of Regis High School.
Speaker 3: That that that's said that what's it's uh the Telerance
Speaker 3: remark when he heard that memory Antoinette had been executed,
Speaker 3: he said, well, I'm nothing against her personally, you know, well,
Speaker 3: I'm nothing. I'm nothing against it personally. He's in he's
Speaker 3: remember the class of fifty eight, which would have been
Speaker 3: my year.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, yes.
Speaker 3: He played basketball there. But anyway, that's our way I went.
Speaker 1: We are here.
Speaker 2: We are here to figure out how we can uh
Speaker 2: save the Republican Party and save a whole lot of law,
Speaker 2: a whole lot of lives. Also in the process, Professor
Speaker 2: arkis in the Fight for life layout. Let me give
Speaker 2: you a premise and then I want to let you
Speaker 2: just take take it away. Right now, the momentum is
Speaker 2: the GOP cannot win going into this election on the
Speaker 2: issue of being pro life or the fight for life.
Speaker 2: That is the that is the the issue du jour
Speaker 2: right now in a lot for a lot of people,
Speaker 2: that is the where the political momentum is.
Speaker 1: What do you say?
Speaker 3: I say, this is this? They have this view. You know,
Speaker 3: the Republican political class has always been kind of sheepish
Speaker 3: and talking about this. You know, the genius of the
Speaker 3: conservative jewisprudence is that we would return the issue to
Speaker 3: the political arena. They return it to the political arena
Speaker 3: where the culture had been now stacked against us for
Speaker 3: fifty years with the Court have been teaching there's something
Speaker 3: deeply rightful and necessary about abortion. So you're turning it
Speaker 3: into that kind of culture without doing any teaching. And
Speaker 3: the critical point is that no, there's a way of
Speaker 3: returning tables on the Democrats and bringing forth, as my
Speaker 3: pitch is, the old Born Alive Infants Protection Act. This
Speaker 3: was brought forth twenty years ago. Something I wrote for
Speaker 3: the debating kid of the first first George Bush to
Speaker 3: all write a panic among the Republican Party when the
Speaker 3: question was an abortion could be returned to the States.
Speaker 2: Tell everybody about what the Born Alive Protection Act is?
Speaker 3: That was it a move to make the first most
Speaker 3: modest step on abortion, to see if we could protect
Speaker 3: simply the child who survived in abortion. Because there was
Speaker 3: one federal court in nineteen seventy seven dealing with a
Speaker 3: child who survived an abortion for twenty one days, undergone
Speaker 3: a surgery, died. The question was where's there an obligation
Speaker 3: to preserve the life that child? And the answer tended
Speaker 3: by Judge Hainsworth was no, it is not a child
Speaker 3: mark for for the protection of the law. That's a
Speaker 3: fetus of mark for an abortion. In other words, the
Speaker 3: right to an abortion was the right to a dead fetus.
Speaker 3: So I had something the draft for President Bush saying
Speaker 3: why don't we start there? Because the other side says
Speaker 3: they're against infanticide, which means they're willing to protect the
Speaker 3: child at some point, So let's invite them to tell
Speaker 3: us when and if nothing else is forthcoming, what about birth?
Speaker 3: Can we protect a child born alive? Well, we started that.
Speaker 3: We brought that fourth in two thousand. It was passing
Speaker 3: two thousand and two, and to say that even that
Speaker 3: child marked for an abortion is a person protected under
Speaker 3: the law. But for the sake of averting a veto
Speaker 3: from Bill Clinton at the time, the drafters of the
Speaker 3: bill dropped the penalties. But then in twenty thirteen, we
Speaker 3: had this abutoire run by doctor Gosnoll in Philadelphia. We
Speaker 3: were snipping the necks of babies who survived the abortion.
Speaker 3: And one of the women who was helping us at
Speaker 3: the time, just Stantic, a nurse in Illinois, was dealing
Speaker 3: with a live birth abortion where the child was delivered
Speaker 3: live and put in the refuse room to die. And
Speaker 3: as she got on the air, nurses were calling in
Speaker 3: all over the country saying, we've been doing those for
Speaker 3: years in our hospital. More of this was going on
Speaker 3: than we thought. Well, when the killing started again in
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, this was the moment to bring forth the
Speaker 3: move to restore those penalties that had been stripped away
Speaker 3: when we first enacted the bill. The Democrats were embarrassed
Speaker 3: to oppose it, so they were the Democrats in controlled
Speaker 3: the Senate. Harry Reid brought the bill to the floor
Speaker 3: of the for the vote, and Kyl Rove asked me
Speaker 3: when we were signing. The President was signed the bill,
Speaker 3: Karl said, why do you think they let that happen?
Speaker 3: I said, I don't know. What's your surmise? They thought,
Speaker 3: he thought people must have cared about this. Well, I
Speaker 3: don't know. When the killings started again in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: we'd bring it back. But now there's a dramatically altered situation.
Speaker 3: The Democrats had were reluctantly gone wrong with us in
Speaker 3: two thousand and two, but now the division between the
Speaker 3: parties was utterly cohesive. Every Publican voting in this House
Speaker 3: voted to restore the penalties to the Born Alive Act,
Speaker 3: and virtually every Democrat voting that was in September twenty
Speaker 3: fifteen voted against, except for a handful of pro life
Speaker 3: Democrats still there. So that September twenty fifteen, who was
Speaker 3: tried again in January twenty eighteen, with the republic can
Speaker 3: still in control, same kind of vote, cohesive alignment, and
Speaker 3: let's try it again in January twenty twenty three, when
Speaker 3: the Republicans came back and the vote was that party
Speaker 3: line down the way two twenty to two ten. There's
Speaker 3: only one pro life Democrat, Henry Cooler, who came over. See.
Speaker 3: So the point is for their Democrat, the cats right now,
Speaker 3: the right to abortion does not even end at the
Speaker 3: point of birth. And the curious point is that this
Speaker 3: has never been picked up the even Fox News. I
Speaker 3: heard Bett Bear doing an interview with Doug Showan saying
Speaker 3: this is the issue abortion that will win it and
Speaker 3: win it for Joe Biden. And what was amazing is
Speaker 3: that Brett Bear could not turn and say, but don't
Speaker 3: you to them, don't you think the Democrats have a
Speaker 3: problem that they acknowledge no limits to the right to
Speaker 3: abortion even when the child comes out alive. Fox News
Speaker 3: will not cover it. Beth Bear was a participant in
Speaker 3: three presidential bates over twenty sixteen to twenty sixteen and
Speaker 3: then twenty twenty, and other debates among the Republicans never
Speaker 3: raise the issue, so there's some kind of a blockage there.
Speaker 3: But for Trump, this is tailor, This is tailor made
Speaker 3: for him.
Speaker 2: Can we, professor Ars, can we hold for one second
Speaker 2: because I want I want to bring you back on
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Speaker 3: But Professor Kay, talk about anchoring, talk about anchoring moral truths.
Speaker 3: You've got one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, someone's got to pay the bills.
Speaker 3: Professor listen, I think the good news in the morning
Speaker 3: was that people are still reluctant, were getting get more
Speaker 3: reluctant to buy electric cars. That is, that's very helpful
Speaker 3: news for.
Speaker 2: This Well, I my favorite story of the last week
Speaker 2: or the last couple of weeks wash you know, the
Speaker 2: New Republic, which should just be called the new Communist
Speaker 2: They they have admitted that recycling plastic.
Speaker 1: Is a giant waste of time.
Speaker 2: Finally, which is which is a huge, a huge benefit
Speaker 2: I think, I think to mankind.
Speaker 1: So all right, now back to the issue hand.
Speaker 2: But I know some people I'm not going to say who,
Speaker 2: I know some people who maybe can get in Trump's
Speaker 2: year on some things. Professor arkis and he is our nominee,
Speaker 2: and he is going to have to address this issue
Speaker 2: of life. How can he do it? How do we
Speaker 2: do the two things of maintaining principle, saving lives but
Speaker 2: also winning because if you lose, then the lunatics are
Speaker 2: in charge.
Speaker 3: Well, no, this is Taylor made for him, and my
Speaker 3: dear friend Tom Klegenstein is supposed to be interviewing Trump.
Speaker 3: He's been close to Trump. He'll try to get this
Speaker 3: my piece in his hands. This is Taylor made for
Speaker 3: Trump because he's come out with av of the sixteen
Speaker 3: week bill on abortion, which is good because he's as
Speaker 3: we can do something at the national level. But the
Speaker 3: other side will just pound him on the matter of
Speaker 3: your doing something to a national vote. What he could
Speaker 3: do is just turn the tables on him. He doesn't
Speaker 3: have to be on the defensive. He said, look, you
Speaker 3: have something to explain. You will not acknowledge a limit
Speaker 3: to abortion even at the point of birth. We're going
Speaker 3: to start with that of all bill to put in
Speaker 3: place that simplest point that even that child mark from
Speaker 3: abortion is a human being, a small human being who
Speaker 3: comes with the protection of the law. Can we he said,
Speaker 3: we can bring together people on both sides, even he
Speaker 3: wants to do that, even people who are pro choice.
Speaker 3: Looks up some restrictions on abortion, he could bring them over. Now,
Speaker 3: even if the Republicans take control of the Senate, it
Speaker 3: will be very hard to get sixty votes to bring
Speaker 3: that bill on sixteen weeks to the floor for the vote.
Speaker 3: But you will be able to bring that bill on
Speaker 3: saving life the child who survives. You will be able
Speaker 3: to get that to the to the get sixty votes
Speaker 3: to bring that to the floor finally, and what's that's
Speaker 3: in place? Of course the other side, I said, wow,
Speaker 3: you want to do some other things. See, of course
Speaker 3: we're not hiding it from you. We're going to come
Speaker 3: back and ask you what's the difference of that same
Speaker 3: child five minutes earlier, five weeks, five days, five months earlier.
Speaker 3: It's the same child. Now here's the point. If you
Speaker 3: don't want to go with us, well then you don't
Speaker 3: vote with us. It's our job to persuade you. You
Speaker 3: have nothing to lose. But we're telling you. Once we
Speaker 3: put in place that point, we've given you something to
Speaker 3: think about. Look, just as Leader made the point in
Speaker 3: that Dobb's decision that if we can protect the child
Speaker 3: after viability, after the child could be survive outside the womb,
Speaker 3: why can't we protect the same child before viability. It's
Speaker 3: the same child. It's the same child. So whether we're
Speaker 3: talking about fifteen weeks or six weeks, it's the same entity.
Speaker 3: We think with the same child. Now, if you just
Speaker 3: plant that first point that people are clear whatever this is, No,
Speaker 3: we don't think that the right to abortion is the
Speaker 3: right to kill a baby who survives. That's a real
Speaker 3: human being with a claim to our concern and protection,
Speaker 3: just plant simple point that the media refuse to cover
Speaker 3: and refuse to acknowledge.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna say, I hopefully, but I can
Speaker 2: assume that the the response to this, having been in
Speaker 2: some of these public scuffles, Professor archis now for for
Speaker 2: many years. You know what they will say, and this
Speaker 2: is this is a tough one.
Speaker 1: This is UH.
Speaker 2: They will deny reality. They will say that this does
Speaker 2: not happen, that there's no need for even what you
Speaker 2: are talking about because it does not happen. And then
Speaker 2: if we show them, well, here is a case of
Speaker 2: it happening, they'll say, well, that was just one case.
Speaker 2: You know, this is this is where it becomes impossible.
Speaker 2: It's like arguing with the with the UH, the mass psychology,
Speaker 2: and instead of any individual who can take your argument
Speaker 2: at face value.
Speaker 3: But the answer to that is it does happen. We
Speaker 3: have the the case, the evidence about the case of
Speaker 3: doctor Gosnell in Philadelphia snipping the nets of those babies.
Speaker 3: We have Jenna Nessen and the people we've brought forth
Speaker 3: in the hearings, the women, the people who've survived, the
Speaker 3: survivors abortion who aren't here to tell the story that
Speaker 3: it happened, and we have the kind of testimonies brought
Speaker 3: in by Jill Staneka, by nurses throughout the country that yes,
Speaker 3: it really is happening. It really is happening. We're not
Speaker 3: collecting all the evidence on it, but it is happening.
Speaker 3: And the point is, look, even if we're dealing with
Speaker 3: only a handful of lives, buck, this is the argument.
Speaker 3: Even if we're saving a handful of lives, and we
Speaker 3: can carve out from that vast volume of eight hundred
Speaker 3: thousand abortions a year, we can rescue a handful of lives.
Speaker 3: There's nothing trifling about that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's just one.
Speaker 2: Life applies to democrats and a whole range of endeavors,
Speaker 2: not this one.
Speaker 1: So much, that said so much.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: I also want to ask you, professor, while we got you,
Speaker 2: just to weigh in a little bit on the on
Speaker 2: the campus issue. But first and a little bit of
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Speaker 2: the we go through this exercise. Sometimes when it comes
Speaker 2: to the way the media covers Trump with how is it,
Speaker 2: it almost becomes metaphysical. They say Trump is hitler, and
Speaker 2: then he's worse than Hitler, and then we say, well,
Speaker 2: how can you be worse than worse than Hitler? You know,
Speaker 2: where do they go? Where does where does when they
Speaker 2: go to eleven on the dial and there is no twelve.
Speaker 2: That's a bit how I felt about about the politics
Speaker 2: that reigned at Amherst twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: What happens? What happened since?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's just it's it's just it's just been hideous.
Speaker 3: I remember when nine to eleven occurred when you were
Speaker 3: a student. Yeah, I remember, I didn't. I didn't go
Speaker 3: to the faculty meeting because I knew what was going on.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have colleagues telling us somehow that thing in
Speaker 3: nine to eleven it was somehow our fault, and I
Speaker 3: think it was. I thought it was either you or
Speaker 3: Ted Hertzberg who got up in the middle of that
Speaker 3: crowd and said, I can't believe we're hearing this from
Speaker 3: grown ups now in the Amherst. Amherst.
Speaker 2: It was feisty little Hertzburg, by the way, shout out
Speaker 2: to feisty little Herzburg.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's it, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: I was there with him, I was sitting with him,
Speaker 2: and he got up and dinner and then we got
Speaker 2: out and we left.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was either you or Ted who
Speaker 3: got that line off. It was great. And then people
Speaker 3: came showed up for Republican meeting. Look and Amherst, it
Speaker 3: is inconceivable you could have a meeting for the burning
Speaker 3: of crosses. If there's anything said, any incident that indicates
Speaker 3: racial animus. Classes are called off, there's a fake cross bred,
Speaker 3: there's a cross brain at Ambers. Before you were a student,
Speaker 3: it had classes were called off. And I raised the
Speaker 3: question at the time, well what if the ACLU says
Speaker 3: this is protected speech, Well, it doesn't matter to us.
Speaker 3: Then it came out there were black students who burned
Speaker 3: the cross for the sake of getting something going. People
Speaker 3: had to change. But the point is it's just it.
Speaker 3: Even though Scalia would say that it's right at the
Speaker 3: First Amendment to burn crosses, I think a serious mistake.
Speaker 3: It is inconceivable that the burning of crosses would be
Speaker 3: permitted Amist College. So now I raise the question, why
Speaker 3: would it be legitimate for people come out in a
Speaker 3: mass meeting to say that the Jews have to be
Speaker 3: cleared out of the Palestine, not that the Palestinians are
Speaker 3: being ruled without their consent, because being ruled out with
Speaker 3: art that consent without three elections in Gaza and the
Speaker 3: Palestinian authority. It's that Israel's occupied because there are Jews
Speaker 3: living there. And so what we're telling you is we
Speaker 3: think that this savage killing of parents in front of
Speaker 3: their children, the beheading of bab, we think that is
Speaker 3: a justified move for the sake of clearing, of making
Speaker 3: Palestine uten free. I don't understand why that would be
Speaker 3: permitted any more than the burning of crosses on the canvas.
Speaker 3: Now on another day, we might say, look, even Justice
Speaker 3: Black greats of defender freedom, did not think it's legitimate
Speaker 3: to have a mass meeting outside of a court room,
Speaker 3: live the impression any decision there would be effected. A
Speaker 3: mass meeting is simply a mass meeting. A college can say, look,
Speaker 3: a mass meeting is simply a mass meeting. If you
Speaker 3: have an argument to make, let's get together and have
Speaker 3: a teaching as we used to have teachings, make an
Speaker 3: argument and confront people on the other side. It's it's
Speaker 3: it could be it's a moment where the colleges, the
Speaker 3: university is gonna have to face up to something and
Speaker 3: ask themselves just how serious is it to have a
Speaker 3: critical portion of the students really making the case for
Speaker 3: genocide on the campus. It would be inconceivable doing that
Speaker 3: about blacks. So what is getting in the way of
Speaker 3: their reasoning about this.
Speaker 1: Matter, Professor Arcus?
Speaker 2: Everybody where can folks go to follow more of the
Speaker 2: work that you're doing the James Wilson Institute.
Speaker 3: Oh, thanks for the thanks for the thanks for that book.
Speaker 3: It's called the Date James Wilson Institute, named after one
Speaker 3: of the premiere minds of the founders, James Wilson in
Speaker 3: Philadelphia doesn't remember this first Supreme Court who doesn't get
Speaker 3: enough celebration. So it's you could you could just dial
Speaker 3: me have le Arcus or the James Wilson Institute James
Speaker 3: Wilson Institute dot org, and you'll be filled in on
Speaker 3: everything we're doing, everything we're publishing. Oh, there's my new book,
Speaker 3: Mere Natural Law. It's like Sam Goldwin's O line. We said,
Speaker 3: I don't care if I make a nickel on this
Speaker 3: movie as long as every Man, Woman and the Child
Speaker 3: the Country season. Okay, So it's Mere Natural Law done
Speaker 3: by Regnery. And the point is we're talking about nothing theoretical,
Speaker 3: nothing abs true, talking about those maxims of common sense
Speaker 3: that ordinary people not only grasp readily, just have to
Speaker 3: understand just in getting on with the business of life.
Speaker 3: That's the pitch of the book. I don't I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't see enough. I don't see enough of you.
Speaker 3: Why don't you get to DC or I get to
Speaker 3: get down there to Miami with.
Speaker 2: I'll do better that I'll and I we have our
Speaker 2: own uh we well, we have a studio in d C.
Speaker 2: We have studios in a lot of places, so we're gonna come.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you know, it's kind of a thing.
Speaker 2: We we we inherited a lot of studios, so a
Speaker 2: lot of studio space and uh and and stations.
Speaker 1: So we're very grateful.
Speaker 2: But we'll come up to d C because we're going
Speaker 2: to do something in the fall with a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of members of Congress and with the election coming up,
Speaker 2: so we'll bring you in studio, Professor Arcis. We'll have
Speaker 2: you in studio to see everybody just fall in d C.
Speaker 2: And certainly let me know.
Speaker 3: I don't yeah, I don't want to embarrass you. I'm
Speaker 3: just so proud of you of what you've been doing.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so kind. Thank you.
Speaker 3: You've been doing so beautifully, Park you, thank you. You're
Speaker 3: so fluent and clear and you're just up on everything.
Speaker 1: That's very kind. Yeah, I really I really appreciate that.
Speaker 2: You know, if if I'm able to help save America,
Speaker 2: you are the the sense or the shadoshi that taught
Speaker 2: me my ninja ways for those who are fans of
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Speaker 2: guy who taught me wax on wax off, mister Miagi himself,
Speaker 2: mister Miyagi or Hadley Arkis, same idea anyway, Professor Arkis,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for the kind words.
Speaker 1: Great to have you. Well, we'll talk to you soon