1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,977 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,977 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:19,737 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,137 --> 00:00:22,657 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Brief. Join now by 5 00:00:22,937 --> 00:00:29,737 Speaker 2: a very special guest, Professor Hadley Arcus, fifty years at 6 00:00:29,857 --> 00:00:36,097 Speaker 2: Amherst College, tenured professor of political science there, perhaps for 7 00:00:36,177 --> 00:00:39,897 Speaker 2: some of you, most notably the early tutor of my 8 00:00:40,297 --> 00:00:44,977 Speaker 2: political journey twenty years ago he was. He was my 9 00:00:45,337 --> 00:00:49,897 Speaker 2: advisor both for thesis and general academic advisor at Amherst College. 10 00:00:50,137 --> 00:00:52,257 Speaker 2: He is now the founder and director of the James 11 00:00:52,257 --> 00:00:56,217 Speaker 2: Wilson Institute, which is doing fantastic work and a Professor Arcis, 12 00:00:56,457 --> 00:01:00,057 Speaker 2: as I'm fond of telling my audience any lapses in 13 00:01:00,097 --> 00:01:03,977 Speaker 2: my political judgment or understanding could be squarely placed at 14 00:01:04,297 --> 00:01:05,257 Speaker 2: your eminent feet. 15 00:01:05,857 --> 00:01:09,297 Speaker 3: This is absolutely But look, I just rad you're the 16 00:01:09,297 --> 00:01:13,737 Speaker 3: most favorite, my favorite favorite student of one of my 17 00:01:13,817 --> 00:01:18,537 Speaker 3: most favorite count places high school. 18 00:01:18,577 --> 00:01:19,617 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. 19 00:01:19,657 --> 00:01:21,777 Speaker 2: Regis is a great as a great institution, and we're 20 00:01:21,777 --> 00:01:23,377 Speaker 2: still trying to fight that place. 21 00:01:23,217 --> 00:01:27,857 Speaker 3: From Yeah, but you are one of the two most 22 00:01:27,857 --> 00:01:30,377 Speaker 3: celebrated figures from Regis. 23 00:01:30,577 --> 00:01:32,617 Speaker 2: I know Fauci is the other one. Don't think you're 24 00:01:32,617 --> 00:01:35,097 Speaker 2: going to surprise me with that one among the I 25 00:01:35,137 --> 00:01:36,017 Speaker 2: have said, among the. 26 00:01:37,657 --> 00:01:39,537 Speaker 3: Yeah, your invitation is more enhanced though. 27 00:01:39,577 --> 00:01:42,937 Speaker 2: Yeahs Fauci, I think is And I really say this 28 00:01:43,417 --> 00:01:46,337 Speaker 2: in all honesty. I think that he may be the 29 00:01:46,537 --> 00:01:50,017 Speaker 2: single most destructive bureaucrat in the history of the bureaucrat 30 00:01:50,057 --> 00:01:52,217 Speaker 2: in the history of the United States. And I think 31 00:01:52,257 --> 00:01:56,737 Speaker 2: he may be personally responsible for, as a function of policy, uh, 32 00:01:56,977 --> 00:02:01,737 Speaker 2: more suffering misery and economic calamity than any other living 33 00:02:01,737 --> 00:02:04,137 Speaker 2: American today. So that that's how I try to line 34 00:02:04,137 --> 00:02:06,697 Speaker 2: it up. But a graduate of Regis High School. 35 00:02:07,537 --> 00:02:10,977 Speaker 3: That that that's said that what's it's uh the Telerance 36 00:02:11,457 --> 00:02:13,937 Speaker 3: remark when he heard that memory Antoinette had been executed, 37 00:02:13,937 --> 00:02:17,657 Speaker 3: he said, well, I'm nothing against her personally, you know, well, 38 00:02:17,897 --> 00:02:20,897 Speaker 3: I'm nothing. I'm nothing against it personally. He's in he's 39 00:02:21,057 --> 00:02:23,577 Speaker 3: remember the class of fifty eight, which would have been 40 00:02:23,577 --> 00:02:23,977 Speaker 3: my year. 41 00:02:24,537 --> 00:02:27,537 Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, yes. 42 00:02:26,937 --> 00:02:29,497 Speaker 3: He played basketball there. But anyway, that's our way I went. 43 00:02:29,777 --> 00:02:30,297 Speaker 1: We are here. 44 00:02:30,337 --> 00:02:33,657 Speaker 2: We are here to figure out how we can uh 45 00:02:33,737 --> 00:02:36,457 Speaker 2: save the Republican Party and save a whole lot of law, 46 00:02:36,697 --> 00:02:38,697 Speaker 2: a whole lot of lives. Also in the process, Professor 47 00:02:38,817 --> 00:02:41,377 Speaker 2: arkis in the Fight for life layout. Let me give 48 00:02:41,417 --> 00:02:42,937 Speaker 2: you a premise and then I want to let you 49 00:02:42,977 --> 00:02:46,657 Speaker 2: just take take it away. Right now, the momentum is 50 00:02:47,377 --> 00:02:50,337 Speaker 2: the GOP cannot win going into this election on the 51 00:02:50,377 --> 00:02:54,417 Speaker 2: issue of being pro life or the fight for life. 52 00:02:55,057 --> 00:02:57,697 Speaker 2: That is the that is the the issue du jour 53 00:02:57,817 --> 00:03:00,017 Speaker 2: right now in a lot for a lot of people, 54 00:03:00,657 --> 00:03:02,817 Speaker 2: that is the where the political momentum is. 55 00:03:02,817 --> 00:03:03,497 Speaker 1: What do you say? 56 00:03:04,937 --> 00:03:09,017 Speaker 3: I say, this is this? They have this view. You know, 57 00:03:09,097 --> 00:03:12,257 Speaker 3: the Republican political class has always been kind of sheepish 58 00:03:12,257 --> 00:03:14,737 Speaker 3: and talking about this. You know, the genius of the 59 00:03:14,777 --> 00:03:19,497 Speaker 3: conservative jewisprudence is that we would return the issue to 60 00:03:19,497 --> 00:03:22,257 Speaker 3: the political arena. They return it to the political arena 61 00:03:22,457 --> 00:03:24,937 Speaker 3: where the culture had been now stacked against us for 62 00:03:24,937 --> 00:03:27,617 Speaker 3: fifty years with the Court have been teaching there's something 63 00:03:27,697 --> 00:03:31,457 Speaker 3: deeply rightful and necessary about abortion. So you're turning it 64 00:03:31,537 --> 00:03:35,457 Speaker 3: into that kind of culture without doing any teaching. And 65 00:03:35,497 --> 00:03:38,057 Speaker 3: the critical point is that no, there's a way of 66 00:03:38,217 --> 00:03:43,457 Speaker 3: returning tables on the Democrats and bringing forth, as my 67 00:03:43,537 --> 00:03:46,457 Speaker 3: pitch is, the old Born Alive Infants Protection Act. This 68 00:03:46,617 --> 00:03:49,937 Speaker 3: was brought forth twenty years ago. Something I wrote for 69 00:03:50,017 --> 00:03:53,617 Speaker 3: the debating kid of the first first George Bush to 70 00:03:54,097 --> 00:03:56,617 Speaker 3: all write a panic among the Republican Party when the 71 00:03:56,737 --> 00:04:00,137 Speaker 3: question was an abortion could be returned to the States. 72 00:03:59,977 --> 00:04:03,937 Speaker 2: Tell everybody about what the Born Alive Protection Act is? 73 00:04:05,497 --> 00:04:08,297 Speaker 3: That was it a move to make the first most 74 00:04:08,457 --> 00:04:12,737 Speaker 3: modest step on abortion, to see if we could protect 75 00:04:12,777 --> 00:04:16,097 Speaker 3: simply the child who survived in abortion. Because there was 76 00:04:16,137 --> 00:04:19,337 Speaker 3: one federal court in nineteen seventy seven dealing with a 77 00:04:19,417 --> 00:04:22,217 Speaker 3: child who survived an abortion for twenty one days, undergone 78 00:04:22,217 --> 00:04:25,577 Speaker 3: a surgery, died. The question was where's there an obligation 79 00:04:25,657 --> 00:04:28,457 Speaker 3: to preserve the life that child? And the answer tended 80 00:04:28,457 --> 00:04:31,617 Speaker 3: by Judge Hainsworth was no, it is not a child 81 00:04:31,737 --> 00:04:35,697 Speaker 3: mark for for the protection of the law. That's a 82 00:04:35,697 --> 00:04:39,297 Speaker 3: fetus of mark for an abortion. In other words, the 83 00:04:39,377 --> 00:04:41,897 Speaker 3: right to an abortion was the right to a dead fetus. 84 00:04:42,337 --> 00:04:45,217 Speaker 3: So I had something the draft for President Bush saying 85 00:04:45,217 --> 00:04:47,577 Speaker 3: why don't we start there? Because the other side says 86 00:04:49,377 --> 00:04:53,297 Speaker 3: they're against infanticide, which means they're willing to protect the 87 00:04:53,377 --> 00:04:55,777 Speaker 3: child at some point, So let's invite them to tell 88 00:04:55,857 --> 00:04:59,057 Speaker 3: us when and if nothing else is forthcoming, what about birth? 89 00:04:59,417 --> 00:05:03,057 Speaker 3: Can we protect a child born alive? Well, we started that. 90 00:05:03,177 --> 00:05:05,137 Speaker 3: We brought that fourth in two thousand. It was passing 91 00:05:05,177 --> 00:05:08,657 Speaker 3: two thousand and two, and to say that even that 92 00:05:08,777 --> 00:05:13,737 Speaker 3: child marked for an abortion is a person protected under 93 00:05:13,777 --> 00:05:17,137 Speaker 3: the law. But for the sake of averting a veto 94 00:05:17,217 --> 00:05:20,897 Speaker 3: from Bill Clinton at the time, the drafters of the 95 00:05:20,937 --> 00:05:25,377 Speaker 3: bill dropped the penalties. But then in twenty thirteen, we 96 00:05:25,417 --> 00:05:29,257 Speaker 3: had this abutoire run by doctor Gosnoll in Philadelphia. We 97 00:05:29,257 --> 00:05:32,257 Speaker 3: were snipping the necks of babies who survived the abortion. 98 00:05:32,977 --> 00:05:34,617 Speaker 3: And one of the women who was helping us at 99 00:05:34,617 --> 00:05:39,297 Speaker 3: the time, just Stantic, a nurse in Illinois, was dealing 100 00:05:39,297 --> 00:05:41,857 Speaker 3: with a live birth abortion where the child was delivered 101 00:05:41,897 --> 00:05:44,937 Speaker 3: live and put in the refuse room to die. And 102 00:05:44,937 --> 00:05:47,337 Speaker 3: as she got on the air, nurses were calling in 103 00:05:47,377 --> 00:05:49,577 Speaker 3: all over the country saying, we've been doing those for 104 00:05:49,697 --> 00:05:52,937 Speaker 3: years in our hospital. More of this was going on 105 00:05:53,017 --> 00:05:56,457 Speaker 3: than we thought. Well, when the killing started again in 106 00:05:56,457 --> 00:06:00,057 Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, this was the moment to bring forth the 107 00:06:00,137 --> 00:06:03,377 Speaker 3: move to restore those penalties that had been stripped away 108 00:06:04,457 --> 00:06:07,777 Speaker 3: when we first enacted the bill. The Democrats were embarrassed 109 00:06:07,777 --> 00:06:12,377 Speaker 3: to oppose it, so they were the Democrats in controlled 110 00:06:12,417 --> 00:06:15,697 Speaker 3: the Senate. Harry Reid brought the bill to the floor 111 00:06:15,737 --> 00:06:19,137 Speaker 3: of the for the vote, and Kyl Rove asked me 112 00:06:19,177 --> 00:06:22,217 Speaker 3: when we were signing. The President was signed the bill, 113 00:06:22,257 --> 00:06:24,777 Speaker 3: Karl said, why do you think they let that happen? 114 00:06:25,497 --> 00:06:27,657 Speaker 3: I said, I don't know. What's your surmise? They thought, 115 00:06:28,097 --> 00:06:31,137 Speaker 3: he thought people must have cared about this. Well, I 116 00:06:31,137 --> 00:06:34,737 Speaker 3: don't know. When the killings started again in twenty thirteen, 117 00:06:34,777 --> 00:06:37,937 Speaker 3: we'd bring it back. But now there's a dramatically altered situation. 118 00:06:38,617 --> 00:06:41,137 Speaker 3: The Democrats had were reluctantly gone wrong with us in 119 00:06:41,177 --> 00:06:44,137 Speaker 3: two thousand and two, but now the division between the 120 00:06:44,177 --> 00:06:49,297 Speaker 3: parties was utterly cohesive. Every Publican voting in this House 121 00:06:49,897 --> 00:06:53,137 Speaker 3: voted to restore the penalties to the Born Alive Act, 122 00:06:53,457 --> 00:06:58,297 Speaker 3: and virtually every Democrat voting that was in September twenty 123 00:06:58,417 --> 00:07:02,057 Speaker 3: fifteen voted against, except for a handful of pro life 124 00:07:02,097 --> 00:07:07,097 Speaker 3: Democrats still there. So that September twenty fifteen, who was 125 00:07:07,137 --> 00:07:10,297 Speaker 3: tried again in January twenty eighteen, with the republic can 126 00:07:10,337 --> 00:07:14,137 Speaker 3: still in control, same kind of vote, cohesive alignment, and 127 00:07:14,217 --> 00:07:16,777 Speaker 3: let's try it again in January twenty twenty three, when 128 00:07:16,777 --> 00:07:20,217 Speaker 3: the Republicans came back and the vote was that party 129 00:07:20,257 --> 00:07:23,857 Speaker 3: line down the way two twenty to two ten. There's 130 00:07:23,897 --> 00:07:28,177 Speaker 3: only one pro life Democrat, Henry Cooler, who came over. See. 131 00:07:28,217 --> 00:07:31,137 Speaker 3: So the point is for their Democrat, the cats right now, 132 00:07:32,857 --> 00:07:35,297 Speaker 3: the right to abortion does not even end at the 133 00:07:35,337 --> 00:07:38,337 Speaker 3: point of birth. And the curious point is that this 134 00:07:38,377 --> 00:07:41,457 Speaker 3: has never been picked up the even Fox News. I 135 00:07:41,497 --> 00:07:44,137 Speaker 3: heard Bett Bear doing an interview with Doug Showan saying 136 00:07:44,657 --> 00:07:47,737 Speaker 3: this is the issue abortion that will win it and 137 00:07:47,817 --> 00:07:51,417 Speaker 3: win it for Joe Biden. And what was amazing is 138 00:07:51,457 --> 00:07:53,897 Speaker 3: that Brett Bear could not turn and say, but don't 139 00:07:53,977 --> 00:07:56,617 Speaker 3: you to them, don't you think the Democrats have a 140 00:07:56,657 --> 00:08:00,217 Speaker 3: problem that they acknowledge no limits to the right to 141 00:08:00,257 --> 00:08:04,817 Speaker 3: abortion even when the child comes out alive. Fox News 142 00:08:04,857 --> 00:08:08,417 Speaker 3: will not cover it. Beth Bear was a participant in 143 00:08:08,577 --> 00:08:13,977 Speaker 3: three presidential bates over twenty sixteen to twenty sixteen and 144 00:08:14,017 --> 00:08:18,097 Speaker 3: then twenty twenty, and other debates among the Republicans never 145 00:08:18,177 --> 00:08:20,977 Speaker 3: raise the issue, so there's some kind of a blockage there. 146 00:08:21,777 --> 00:08:25,057 Speaker 3: But for Trump, this is tailor, This is tailor made 147 00:08:25,097 --> 00:08:25,377 Speaker 3: for him. 148 00:08:25,457 --> 00:08:27,617 Speaker 2: Can we, professor Ars, can we hold for one second 149 00:08:27,977 --> 00:08:29,377 Speaker 2: because I want I want to bring you back on 150 00:08:29,377 --> 00:08:33,017 Speaker 2: this specific issue of Trump, but just with a line 151 00:08:33,017 --> 00:08:34,617 Speaker 2: of the clock out A word from our sponsor here, 152 00:08:34,657 --> 00:08:36,977 Speaker 2: the Oxford Gold Group. I keep hearing that people are 153 00:08:37,017 --> 00:08:38,897 Speaker 2: on the fence about owning gold and silver, and look, 154 00:08:38,937 --> 00:08:41,177 Speaker 2: I get it right. This is something you want to do. 155 00:08:41,377 --> 00:08:43,857 Speaker 2: A put a portion of your assets inswer. You want 156 00:08:43,897 --> 00:08:46,777 Speaker 2: to diversify. You want to have some precious metals on hand, 157 00:08:47,217 --> 00:08:50,377 Speaker 2: because just look at what can happen with the massive 158 00:08:50,457 --> 00:08:54,417 Speaker 2: changes in inflation in global economies. You could have a 159 00:08:54,457 --> 00:08:57,777 Speaker 2: war breakout. And if you look historically, gold and silver 160 00:08:57,937 --> 00:09:00,217 Speaker 2: have increase in value over time. You can use it 161 00:09:00,257 --> 00:09:03,937 Speaker 2: as a hedge against inflation. It's a tangible currency in 162 00:09:03,977 --> 00:09:06,417 Speaker 2: the event of things going really haywire, but also just 163 00:09:06,497 --> 00:09:09,257 Speaker 2: a store of historical value. That's what gold is. I 164 00:09:09,297 --> 00:09:11,737 Speaker 2: have gold and silver on hand. I think you should too. 165 00:09:11,817 --> 00:09:14,777 Speaker 2: Call the Oxford Gold Group. You may qualify for up 166 00:09:14,777 --> 00:09:17,337 Speaker 2: to ten thousand dollars in free precious metals, depending on 167 00:09:17,377 --> 00:09:17,937 Speaker 2: your purchase. 168 00:09:18,257 --> 00:09:19,337 Speaker 1: Called the Oxford Gold Group. 169 00:09:19,377 --> 00:09:21,737 Speaker 2: Now that's who I get my gold and silver from 170 00:09:21,817 --> 00:09:24,337 Speaker 2: eight three three nine nine to five gold eight three 171 00:09:24,417 --> 00:09:28,177 Speaker 2: three nine nine five g O L. D all right, 172 00:09:28,217 --> 00:09:30,737 Speaker 2: Professor Arkis, So bring us back to the wait. 173 00:09:31,577 --> 00:09:33,297 Speaker 3: I put it. I put in my order into the gold. 174 00:09:33,377 --> 00:09:35,297 Speaker 3: He was a sofas, Thank. 175 00:09:35,137 --> 00:09:35,537 Speaker 1: You, sir. 176 00:09:36,177 --> 00:09:40,257 Speaker 2: It's ever if you if you look, if you look 177 00:09:40,297 --> 00:09:42,577 Speaker 2: at a charge gold gold the last. 178 00:09:42,337 --> 00:09:44,737 Speaker 1: Thirty years pretty sound. 179 00:09:45,737 --> 00:09:49,097 Speaker 2: It turns out, you know what people you know what 180 00:09:49,137 --> 00:09:51,177 Speaker 2: people get concerned about, or rather when they ask me 181 00:09:51,217 --> 00:09:53,577 Speaker 2: what worries me? True story. Actually somebody called in once 182 00:09:53,617 --> 00:09:56,817 Speaker 2: and asked in twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen, what kept me 183 00:09:56,897 --> 00:10:00,377 Speaker 2: up late at night? And I said, uh, it was 184 00:10:00,417 --> 00:10:04,177 Speaker 2: actually back to your I said, a mutated bacterial pandemic, 185 00:10:04,337 --> 00:10:06,697 Speaker 2: something like a bubonic plague. And this is pre COVID 186 00:10:06,737 --> 00:10:09,457 Speaker 2: and everything else. But the one that I still now 187 00:10:09,457 --> 00:10:11,417 Speaker 2: we've been through that whole nightmare, but the one that 188 00:10:11,457 --> 00:10:13,377 Speaker 2: I still tell everybody. If you really want to feel 189 00:10:13,417 --> 00:10:15,657 Speaker 2: bad about the future, just look at the history of 190 00:10:15,697 --> 00:10:19,017 Speaker 2: Fiat currency over time. Look at what ends up happening 191 00:10:19,057 --> 00:10:22,177 Speaker 2: over time. It is not a happy story when governments 192 00:10:22,217 --> 00:10:24,577 Speaker 2: are able to print money, whether you're talking about ancient 193 00:10:24,697 --> 00:10:29,137 Speaker 2: Rome or or various iterations of French regimes, or just 194 00:10:29,137 --> 00:10:29,897 Speaker 2: go down the list. 195 00:10:30,457 --> 00:10:34,937 Speaker 3: But Professor Kay, talk about anchoring, talk about anchoring moral truths. 196 00:10:35,057 --> 00:10:35,737 Speaker 3: You've got one. 197 00:10:35,937 --> 00:10:38,857 Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, someone's got to pay the bills. 198 00:10:38,857 --> 00:10:42,097 Speaker 3: Professor listen, I think the good news in the morning 199 00:10:42,217 --> 00:10:44,337 Speaker 3: was that people are still reluctant, were getting get more 200 00:10:44,337 --> 00:10:47,697 Speaker 3: reluctant to buy electric cars. That is, that's very helpful 201 00:10:47,737 --> 00:10:48,097 Speaker 3: news for. 202 00:10:48,057 --> 00:10:51,097 Speaker 2: This Well, I my favorite story of the last week 203 00:10:51,537 --> 00:10:54,257 Speaker 2: or the last couple of weeks wash you know, the 204 00:10:54,297 --> 00:10:56,657 Speaker 2: New Republic, which should just be called the new Communist 205 00:10:57,097 --> 00:10:59,857 Speaker 2: They they have admitted that recycling plastic. 206 00:10:59,537 --> 00:11:00,697 Speaker 1: Is a giant waste of time. 207 00:11:01,377 --> 00:11:04,497 Speaker 2: Finally, which is which is a huge, a huge benefit 208 00:11:04,537 --> 00:11:05,977 Speaker 2: I think, I think to mankind. 209 00:11:06,017 --> 00:11:09,537 Speaker 1: So all right, now back to the issue hand. 210 00:11:09,657 --> 00:11:11,817 Speaker 2: But I know some people I'm not going to say who, 211 00:11:11,857 --> 00:11:13,577 Speaker 2: I know some people who maybe can get in Trump's 212 00:11:13,657 --> 00:11:17,537 Speaker 2: year on some things. Professor arkis and he is our nominee, 213 00:11:17,737 --> 00:11:19,857 Speaker 2: and he is going to have to address this issue 214 00:11:19,897 --> 00:11:21,857 Speaker 2: of life. How can he do it? How do we 215 00:11:21,897 --> 00:11:25,177 Speaker 2: do the two things of maintaining principle, saving lives but 216 00:11:25,337 --> 00:11:28,457 Speaker 2: also winning because if you lose, then the lunatics are 217 00:11:28,457 --> 00:11:29,057 Speaker 2: in charge. 218 00:11:30,497 --> 00:11:32,297 Speaker 3: Well, no, this is Taylor made for him, and my 219 00:11:32,377 --> 00:11:35,337 Speaker 3: dear friend Tom Klegenstein is supposed to be interviewing Trump. 220 00:11:35,377 --> 00:11:37,617 Speaker 3: He's been close to Trump. He'll try to get this 221 00:11:37,737 --> 00:11:40,377 Speaker 3: my piece in his hands. This is Taylor made for 222 00:11:40,417 --> 00:11:44,097 Speaker 3: Trump because he's come out with av of the sixteen 223 00:11:44,097 --> 00:11:47,937 Speaker 3: week bill on abortion, which is good because he's as 224 00:11:48,057 --> 00:11:50,657 Speaker 3: we can do something at the national level. But the 225 00:11:50,657 --> 00:11:52,817 Speaker 3: other side will just pound him on the matter of 226 00:11:52,817 --> 00:11:56,697 Speaker 3: your doing something to a national vote. What he could 227 00:11:56,737 --> 00:11:58,617 Speaker 3: do is just turn the tables on him. He doesn't 228 00:11:58,657 --> 00:12:01,177 Speaker 3: have to be on the defensive. He said, look, you 229 00:12:01,297 --> 00:12:05,897 Speaker 3: have something to explain. You will not acknowledge a limit 230 00:12:05,937 --> 00:12:08,817 Speaker 3: to abortion even at the point of birth. We're going 231 00:12:08,897 --> 00:12:12,097 Speaker 3: to start with that of all bill to put in 232 00:12:12,217 --> 00:12:16,217 Speaker 3: place that simplest point that even that child mark from 233 00:12:16,297 --> 00:12:19,897 Speaker 3: abortion is a human being, a small human being who 234 00:12:19,897 --> 00:12:23,297 Speaker 3: comes with the protection of the law. Can we he said, 235 00:12:23,537 --> 00:12:26,937 Speaker 3: we can bring together people on both sides, even he 236 00:12:26,977 --> 00:12:29,897 Speaker 3: wants to do that, even people who are pro choice. 237 00:12:30,217 --> 00:12:34,537 Speaker 3: Looks up some restrictions on abortion, he could bring them over. Now, 238 00:12:35,257 --> 00:12:37,817 Speaker 3: even if the Republicans take control of the Senate, it 239 00:12:37,817 --> 00:12:40,657 Speaker 3: will be very hard to get sixty votes to bring 240 00:12:40,697 --> 00:12:44,497 Speaker 3: that bill on sixteen weeks to the floor for the vote. 241 00:12:45,097 --> 00:12:47,377 Speaker 3: But you will be able to bring that bill on 242 00:12:48,457 --> 00:12:51,617 Speaker 3: saving life the child who survives. You will be able 243 00:12:51,617 --> 00:12:54,057 Speaker 3: to get that to the to the get sixty votes 244 00:12:54,097 --> 00:12:56,617 Speaker 3: to bring that to the floor finally, and what's that's 245 00:12:56,657 --> 00:12:58,737 Speaker 3: in place? Of course the other side, I said, wow, 246 00:12:58,737 --> 00:13:01,697 Speaker 3: you want to do some other things. See, of course 247 00:13:01,737 --> 00:13:03,737 Speaker 3: we're not hiding it from you. We're going to come 248 00:13:03,737 --> 00:13:06,417 Speaker 3: back and ask you what's the difference of that same 249 00:13:06,617 --> 00:13:11,817 Speaker 3: child five minutes earlier, five weeks, five days, five months earlier. 250 00:13:11,977 --> 00:13:15,297 Speaker 3: It's the same child. Now here's the point. If you 251 00:13:15,337 --> 00:13:17,657 Speaker 3: don't want to go with us, well then you don't 252 00:13:17,697 --> 00:13:20,977 Speaker 3: vote with us. It's our job to persuade you. You 253 00:13:21,017 --> 00:13:23,737 Speaker 3: have nothing to lose. But we're telling you. Once we 254 00:13:23,857 --> 00:13:26,857 Speaker 3: put in place that point, we've given you something to 255 00:13:26,897 --> 00:13:31,137 Speaker 3: think about. Look, just as Leader made the point in 256 00:13:31,177 --> 00:13:34,577 Speaker 3: that Dobb's decision that if we can protect the child 257 00:13:34,897 --> 00:13:39,857 Speaker 3: after viability, after the child could be survive outside the womb, 258 00:13:40,777 --> 00:13:43,817 Speaker 3: why can't we protect the same child before viability. It's 259 00:13:43,857 --> 00:13:47,937 Speaker 3: the same child. It's the same child. So whether we're 260 00:13:47,937 --> 00:13:51,937 Speaker 3: talking about fifteen weeks or six weeks, it's the same entity. 261 00:13:52,177 --> 00:13:54,297 Speaker 3: We think with the same child. Now, if you just 262 00:13:54,377 --> 00:13:59,137 Speaker 3: plant that first point that people are clear whatever this is, No, 263 00:13:59,657 --> 00:14:01,377 Speaker 3: we don't think that the right to abortion is the 264 00:14:01,457 --> 00:14:04,817 Speaker 3: right to kill a baby who survives. That's a real 265 00:14:04,897 --> 00:14:07,697 Speaker 3: human being with a claim to our concern and protection, 266 00:14:08,617 --> 00:14:12,937 Speaker 3: just plant simple point that the media refuse to cover 267 00:14:13,377 --> 00:14:14,577 Speaker 3: and refuse to acknowledge. 268 00:14:14,697 --> 00:14:16,977 Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna say, I hopefully, but I can 269 00:14:17,017 --> 00:14:21,177 Speaker 2: assume that the the response to this, having been in 270 00:14:21,217 --> 00:14:24,417 Speaker 2: some of these public scuffles, Professor archis now for for 271 00:14:24,497 --> 00:14:26,617 Speaker 2: many years. You know what they will say, and this 272 00:14:26,697 --> 00:14:27,697 Speaker 2: is this is a tough one. 273 00:14:27,737 --> 00:14:28,777 Speaker 1: This is UH. 274 00:14:28,857 --> 00:14:32,777 Speaker 2: They will deny reality. They will say that this does 275 00:14:32,897 --> 00:14:36,137 Speaker 2: not happen, that there's no need for even what you 276 00:14:36,177 --> 00:14:39,257 Speaker 2: are talking about because it does not happen. And then 277 00:14:39,257 --> 00:14:41,097 Speaker 2: if we show them, well, here is a case of 278 00:14:41,137 --> 00:14:43,657 Speaker 2: it happening, they'll say, well, that was just one case. 279 00:14:43,697 --> 00:14:46,217 Speaker 2: You know, this is this is where it becomes impossible. 280 00:14:46,217 --> 00:14:50,177 Speaker 2: It's like arguing with the with the UH, the mass psychology, 281 00:14:51,057 --> 00:14:54,017 Speaker 2: and instead of any individual who can take your argument 282 00:14:54,057 --> 00:14:54,857 Speaker 2: at face value. 283 00:14:56,417 --> 00:14:59,297 Speaker 3: But the answer to that is it does happen. We 284 00:14:59,377 --> 00:15:01,737 Speaker 3: have the the case, the evidence about the case of 285 00:15:01,817 --> 00:15:05,657 Speaker 3: doctor Gosnell in Philadelphia snipping the nets of those babies. 286 00:15:05,857 --> 00:15:08,817 Speaker 3: We have Jenna Nessen and the people we've brought forth 287 00:15:08,817 --> 00:15:11,777 Speaker 3: in the hearings, the women, the people who've survived, the 288 00:15:11,857 --> 00:15:14,937 Speaker 3: survivors abortion who aren't here to tell the story that 289 00:15:15,017 --> 00:15:18,137 Speaker 3: it happened, and we have the kind of testimonies brought 290 00:15:18,137 --> 00:15:21,457 Speaker 3: in by Jill Staneka, by nurses throughout the country that yes, 291 00:15:21,657 --> 00:15:24,657 Speaker 3: it really is happening. It really is happening. We're not 292 00:15:24,697 --> 00:15:27,337 Speaker 3: collecting all the evidence on it, but it is happening. 293 00:15:27,537 --> 00:15:30,337 Speaker 3: And the point is, look, even if we're dealing with 294 00:15:30,417 --> 00:15:33,417 Speaker 3: only a handful of lives, buck, this is the argument. 295 00:15:34,097 --> 00:15:37,257 Speaker 3: Even if we're saving a handful of lives, and we 296 00:15:37,257 --> 00:15:40,177 Speaker 3: can carve out from that vast volume of eight hundred 297 00:15:40,257 --> 00:15:44,657 Speaker 3: thousand abortions a year, we can rescue a handful of lives. 298 00:15:44,977 --> 00:15:46,737 Speaker 3: There's nothing trifling about that. 299 00:15:47,657 --> 00:15:50,177 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's just one. 300 00:15:50,217 --> 00:15:52,817 Speaker 2: Life applies to democrats and a whole range of endeavors, 301 00:15:53,057 --> 00:15:53,617 Speaker 2: not this one. 302 00:15:53,697 --> 00:15:56,097 Speaker 1: So much, that said so much. 303 00:15:56,137 --> 00:15:57,057 Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. 304 00:15:57,137 --> 00:15:59,057 Speaker 2: I also want to ask you, professor, while we got you, 305 00:15:59,177 --> 00:16:00,697 Speaker 2: just to weigh in a little bit on the on 306 00:16:00,737 --> 00:16:04,097 Speaker 2: the campus issue. 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Professor Arkis this is 327 00:17:04,817 --> 00:17:08,297 Speaker 2: the we go through this exercise. Sometimes when it comes 328 00:17:08,337 --> 00:17:12,377 Speaker 2: to the way the media covers Trump with how is it, 329 00:17:12,377 --> 00:17:15,217 Speaker 2: it almost becomes metaphysical. They say Trump is hitler, and 330 00:17:15,217 --> 00:17:17,777 Speaker 2: then he's worse than Hitler, and then we say, well, 331 00:17:17,777 --> 00:17:19,897 Speaker 2: how can you be worse than worse than Hitler? You know, 332 00:17:20,017 --> 00:17:22,417 Speaker 2: where do they go? Where does where does when they 333 00:17:22,497 --> 00:17:24,657 Speaker 2: go to eleven on the dial and there is no twelve. 334 00:17:25,537 --> 00:17:28,617 Speaker 2: That's a bit how I felt about about the politics 335 00:17:28,657 --> 00:17:30,897 Speaker 2: that reigned at Amherst twenty years ago. 336 00:17:31,657 --> 00:17:33,457 Speaker 1: What happens? What happened since? 337 00:17:35,697 --> 00:17:38,017 Speaker 3: Oh, it's just it's it's just it's just been hideous. 338 00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:40,417 Speaker 3: I remember when nine to eleven occurred when you were 339 00:17:40,417 --> 00:17:42,617 Speaker 3: a student. Yeah, I remember, I didn't. I didn't go 340 00:17:42,697 --> 00:17:44,857 Speaker 3: to the faculty meeting because I knew what was going on. 341 00:17:45,177 --> 00:17:47,737 Speaker 3: We're gonna have colleagues telling us somehow that thing in 342 00:17:47,777 --> 00:17:51,257 Speaker 3: nine to eleven it was somehow our fault, and I 343 00:17:51,297 --> 00:17:53,697 Speaker 3: think it was. I thought it was either you or 344 00:17:53,777 --> 00:17:55,777 Speaker 3: Ted Hertzberg who got up in the middle of that 345 00:17:55,857 --> 00:17:58,897 Speaker 3: crowd and said, I can't believe we're hearing this from 346 00:17:58,937 --> 00:18:03,217 Speaker 3: grown ups now in the Amherst. Amherst. 347 00:18:03,457 --> 00:18:05,857 Speaker 2: It was feisty little Hertzburg, by the way, shout out 348 00:18:05,857 --> 00:18:07,057 Speaker 2: to feisty little Herzburg. 349 00:18:08,377 --> 00:18:10,857 Speaker 3: Okay, that's it, wasn't it. 350 00:18:10,937 --> 00:18:13,057 Speaker 2: I was there with him, I was sitting with him, 351 00:18:13,057 --> 00:18:14,297 Speaker 2: and he got up and dinner and then we got 352 00:18:14,297 --> 00:18:14,977 Speaker 2: out and we left. 353 00:18:15,057 --> 00:18:18,257 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was either you or Ted who 354 00:18:18,297 --> 00:18:21,137 Speaker 3: got that line off. It was great. And then people 355 00:18:21,257 --> 00:18:26,057 Speaker 3: came showed up for Republican meeting. Look and Amherst, it 356 00:18:26,137 --> 00:18:29,657 Speaker 3: is inconceivable you could have a meeting for the burning 357 00:18:29,697 --> 00:18:33,577 Speaker 3: of crosses. If there's anything said, any incident that indicates 358 00:18:33,937 --> 00:18:38,177 Speaker 3: racial animus. Classes are called off, there's a fake cross bred, 359 00:18:38,217 --> 00:18:40,497 Speaker 3: there's a cross brain at Ambers. Before you were a student, 360 00:18:41,017 --> 00:18:44,497 Speaker 3: it had classes were called off. And I raised the 361 00:18:44,577 --> 00:18:46,897 Speaker 3: question at the time, well what if the ACLU says 362 00:18:46,977 --> 00:18:49,977 Speaker 3: this is protected speech, Well, it doesn't matter to us. 363 00:18:50,177 --> 00:18:52,737 Speaker 3: Then it came out there were black students who burned 364 00:18:52,737 --> 00:18:55,497 Speaker 3: the cross for the sake of getting something going. People 365 00:18:55,497 --> 00:18:58,857 Speaker 3: had to change. But the point is it's just it. 366 00:18:59,657 --> 00:19:03,057 Speaker 3: Even though Scalia would say that it's right at the 367 00:19:03,057 --> 00:19:05,697 Speaker 3: First Amendment to burn crosses, I think a serious mistake. 368 00:19:06,097 --> 00:19:10,137 Speaker 3: It is inconceivable that the burning of crosses would be 369 00:19:10,257 --> 00:19:13,937 Speaker 3: permitted Amist College. So now I raise the question, why 370 00:19:14,137 --> 00:19:17,657 Speaker 3: would it be legitimate for people come out in a 371 00:19:17,657 --> 00:19:22,017 Speaker 3: mass meeting to say that the Jews have to be 372 00:19:22,097 --> 00:19:27,457 Speaker 3: cleared out of the Palestine, not that the Palestinians are 373 00:19:27,457 --> 00:19:29,737 Speaker 3: being ruled without their consent, because being ruled out with 374 00:19:29,857 --> 00:19:32,697 Speaker 3: art that consent without three elections in Gaza and the 375 00:19:32,697 --> 00:19:36,737 Speaker 3: Palestinian authority. It's that Israel's occupied because there are Jews 376 00:19:36,777 --> 00:19:39,897 Speaker 3: living there. And so what we're telling you is we 377 00:19:39,977 --> 00:19:43,817 Speaker 3: think that this savage killing of parents in front of 378 00:19:43,817 --> 00:19:46,697 Speaker 3: their children, the beheading of bab, we think that is 379 00:19:46,697 --> 00:19:51,377 Speaker 3: a justified move for the sake of clearing, of making 380 00:19:51,817 --> 00:19:55,817 Speaker 3: Palestine uten free. I don't understand why that would be 381 00:19:55,857 --> 00:19:59,057 Speaker 3: permitted any more than the burning of crosses on the canvas. 382 00:19:59,737 --> 00:20:02,657 Speaker 3: Now on another day, we might say, look, even Justice 383 00:20:02,657 --> 00:20:06,657 Speaker 3: Black greats of defender freedom, did not think it's legitimate 384 00:20:06,657 --> 00:20:09,657 Speaker 3: to have a mass meeting outside of a court room, 385 00:20:10,257 --> 00:20:13,337 Speaker 3: live the impression any decision there would be effected. A 386 00:20:13,337 --> 00:20:16,977 Speaker 3: mass meeting is simply a mass meeting. A college can say, look, 387 00:20:17,697 --> 00:20:19,857 Speaker 3: a mass meeting is simply a mass meeting. If you 388 00:20:19,897 --> 00:20:22,857 Speaker 3: have an argument to make, let's get together and have 389 00:20:22,937 --> 00:20:25,537 Speaker 3: a teaching as we used to have teachings, make an 390 00:20:25,657 --> 00:20:29,417 Speaker 3: argument and confront people on the other side. It's it's 391 00:20:29,817 --> 00:20:31,697 Speaker 3: it could be it's a moment where the colleges, the 392 00:20:31,737 --> 00:20:34,577 Speaker 3: university is gonna have to face up to something and 393 00:20:34,617 --> 00:20:39,377 Speaker 3: ask themselves just how serious is it to have a 394 00:20:39,497 --> 00:20:42,817 Speaker 3: critical portion of the students really making the case for 395 00:20:42,897 --> 00:20:46,377 Speaker 3: genocide on the campus. It would be inconceivable doing that 396 00:20:46,457 --> 00:20:49,777 Speaker 3: about blacks. So what is getting in the way of 397 00:20:49,897 --> 00:20:51,057 Speaker 3: their reasoning about this. 398 00:20:51,057 --> 00:20:53,417 Speaker 1: Matter, Professor Arcus? 399 00:20:53,417 --> 00:20:57,377 Speaker 2: Everybody where can folks go to follow more of the 400 00:20:57,377 --> 00:20:59,897 Speaker 2: work that you're doing the James Wilson Institute. 401 00:21:00,577 --> 00:21:04,137 Speaker 3: Oh, thanks for the thanks for the thanks for that book. 402 00:21:04,497 --> 00:21:08,937 Speaker 3: It's called the Date James Wilson Institute, named after one 403 00:21:08,937 --> 00:21:12,457 Speaker 3: of the premiere minds of the founders, James Wilson in 404 00:21:12,457 --> 00:21:16,217 Speaker 3: Philadelphia doesn't remember this first Supreme Court who doesn't get 405 00:21:16,377 --> 00:21:20,017 Speaker 3: enough celebration. So it's you could you could just dial 406 00:21:20,377 --> 00:21:24,297 Speaker 3: me have le Arcus or the James Wilson Institute James 407 00:21:24,297 --> 00:21:27,177 Speaker 3: Wilson Institute dot org, and you'll be filled in on 408 00:21:27,257 --> 00:21:30,017 Speaker 3: everything we're doing, everything we're publishing. Oh, there's my new book, 409 00:21:30,617 --> 00:21:35,217 Speaker 3: Mere Natural Law. It's like Sam Goldwin's O line. We said, 410 00:21:35,257 --> 00:21:36,697 Speaker 3: I don't care if I make a nickel on this 411 00:21:36,817 --> 00:21:39,017 Speaker 3: movie as long as every Man, Woman and the Child 412 00:21:39,097 --> 00:21:43,537 Speaker 3: the Country season. Okay, So it's Mere Natural Law done 413 00:21:43,537 --> 00:21:48,297 Speaker 3: by Regnery. And the point is we're talking about nothing theoretical, 414 00:21:48,417 --> 00:21:52,297 Speaker 3: nothing abs true, talking about those maxims of common sense 415 00:21:52,937 --> 00:21:57,177 Speaker 3: that ordinary people not only grasp readily, just have to 416 00:21:57,257 --> 00:21:59,657 Speaker 3: understand just in getting on with the business of life. 417 00:21:59,817 --> 00:22:03,217 Speaker 3: That's the pitch of the book. I don't I don't. 418 00:22:03,217 --> 00:22:05,017 Speaker 3: I don't see enough. I don't see enough of you. 419 00:22:05,177 --> 00:22:07,177 Speaker 3: Why don't you get to DC or I get to 420 00:22:07,217 --> 00:22:08,377 Speaker 3: get down there to Miami with. 421 00:22:08,657 --> 00:22:11,417 Speaker 2: I'll do better that I'll and I we have our 422 00:22:11,457 --> 00:22:13,497 Speaker 2: own uh we well, we have a studio in d C. 423 00:22:13,697 --> 00:22:16,297 Speaker 2: We have studios in a lot of places, so we're gonna come. 424 00:22:16,457 --> 00:22:18,217 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you know, it's kind of a thing. 425 00:22:18,297 --> 00:22:21,537 Speaker 2: We we we inherited a lot of studios, so a 426 00:22:21,537 --> 00:22:24,097 Speaker 2: lot of studio space and uh and and stations. 427 00:22:24,137 --> 00:22:25,057 Speaker 1: So we're very grateful. 428 00:22:25,977 --> 00:22:28,177 Speaker 2: But we'll come up to d C because we're going 429 00:22:28,257 --> 00:22:30,057 Speaker 2: to do something in the fall with a whole bunch 430 00:22:30,097 --> 00:22:32,657 Speaker 2: of members of Congress and with the election coming up, 431 00:22:33,017 --> 00:22:35,817 Speaker 2: so we'll bring you in studio, Professor Arcis. We'll have 432 00:22:35,857 --> 00:22:37,977 Speaker 2: you in studio to see everybody just fall in d C. 433 00:22:38,777 --> 00:22:39,577 Speaker 2: And certainly let me know. 434 00:22:39,577 --> 00:22:42,697 Speaker 3: I don't yeah, I don't want to embarrass you. I'm 435 00:22:42,697 --> 00:22:44,457 Speaker 3: just so proud of you of what you've been doing. 436 00:22:44,537 --> 00:22:46,177 Speaker 1: Oh that's so kind. Thank you. 437 00:22:45,697 --> 00:22:48,857 Speaker 3: You've been doing so beautifully, Park you, thank you. You're 438 00:22:48,857 --> 00:22:52,137 Speaker 3: so fluent and clear and you're just up on everything. 439 00:22:52,417 --> 00:22:54,377 Speaker 1: That's very kind. Yeah, I really I really appreciate that. 440 00:22:54,577 --> 00:22:56,537 Speaker 2: You know, if if I'm able to help save America, 441 00:22:57,097 --> 00:23:02,097 Speaker 2: you are the the sense or the shadoshi that taught 442 00:23:02,177 --> 00:23:04,377 Speaker 2: me my ninja ways for those who are fans of 443 00:23:04,417 --> 00:23:06,937 Speaker 2: martial arts films, so there you go, or the uh, 444 00:23:07,377 --> 00:23:09,377 Speaker 2: the you know, the karate the karate kid had to 445 00:23:09,417 --> 00:23:13,017 Speaker 2: learn from some addy, so there you go. You're the 446 00:23:13,017 --> 00:23:17,977 Speaker 2: guy who taught me wax on wax off, mister Miagi himself, 447 00:23:19,057 --> 00:23:22,737 Speaker 2: mister Miyagi or Hadley Arkis, same idea anyway, Professor Arkis, 448 00:23:22,737 --> 00:23:24,017 Speaker 2: thank you so much for the kind words. 449 00:23:24,017 --> 00:23:25,697 Speaker 1: Great to have you. Well, we'll talk to you soon