1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: I want to welcome in. I'm Doug galib is all 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: ball where you turned for uh basketball discussion and all 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: kinds of storytelling elements as well. You know, I got 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: a lot of things that I want to share about 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: my trip to Israel coaching the Maccabi Games team. And 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: for people who don't know what it is, it's cool. Um. 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: It's basically considered the Jewish Olympics and in ste um 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: this particular time. And I coached as head coach five 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: years ago, which meant six years ago. We had tryouts, 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: we picked a team, some guys end up canceling, one 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: guy gets hurt, you know, blah blah blah blah blah. 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: This team was actually selected uh two years ago and 13 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: John Shire was supposed to be the head coach. At 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: the time, John Schier was the lead assistant at Duke 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: and then of course the next summer he was named 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: the head coach and Waiting was gonna be the head 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: coach and because of it, he had to uh kind 18 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: of politely about uh kind of walk away from it. 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: So part of this was the team that that he selected. 20 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: Scotty Greeman, who um he hasn't done the pod yet, 21 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: but he said he's going to Scotty was supposed to 22 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: be his assistant. Scott he played on the team. Um, uh, 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: you know he's uh. Scotty was a tremendous player and 24 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: he's a tremendous coach, and so he was supposed to 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: take over. He's an assistant American. But because he was 26 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: changing jobs this offseason, I end up getting the call 27 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: a guy. Look, I I'm nothing but but honest with 28 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: you guys. And it's it's fun, it's a thrill. It 29 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: was a little challenging because it was not a team 30 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: that I had selected. So as much as the practices 31 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: were about getting better, a good portion of the practices 32 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: were about me trying to figure out who to use him, 33 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: how to use him, who to play, how to play. 34 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: And that's kind of what we did. Um, Sky Scaloerette 35 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: and Skyetting was my assistant and he was the defensive 36 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: coordinator and his he took what they do and how 37 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: they do at Princeton as he's a full time assistant 38 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: and put in a play And I find him to 39 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: be an outstanding coach. Players like him. Um. He teaches 40 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: in a way in which is easily consumable. He's demanding, 41 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: but not in an overbearing way. UM for me to 42 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: work with him. I thought we had a great symbiotic 43 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: working relationship. I did the offense, he did the defense, 44 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: and then I did the get on their ass about 45 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: playing hard sort of thing. He did the scouts and 46 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: the minutia if you will. It was really good, uh. 47 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: And part of the trip is the head coach and assistant. 48 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: We actually room together for three and a half weeks, 49 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: all right. So we did training camp in New Jersey 50 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: for three days. We did a training camp in Israel 51 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: for four more days. Then we do touring where we 52 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: train in the morning and tour in the afternoon. We 53 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: played friendlies against the eight teen under team and the 54 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: Israel twenty you team, and then we played six games. 55 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: We won all eight games, two friendlies and six and 56 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: we were always better in the second half than we 57 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: were first half. And I I think a good portion 58 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: of it was his help with adjustments, my demand for um, 59 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: the type of energy every day at practice, not just 60 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: enthusiasm energy so that we were in great shape. But 61 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: I got to know Skyler on a sky on a 62 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: on a level that's above that of just being a 63 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: coaching colleague. On that of being a really good friend. 64 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: And when I heard his story, I thought, you know, 65 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: I really wanted to tell his story on this pot. 66 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: So Sky Eden's an assistant coach at Princeton. This interview 67 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: is a snapshot of what it's like to recruit to 68 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: the Ivy League, how to get to where he's gotten 69 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: at just thirty years old, and what he wants for 70 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: his own future. I thought you'd enjoy it. Here's my 71 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: pod with Princeton assistant sky ed Um. All right, so 72 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: obviously we have now like this crazy month and a 73 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: half of like friendship go from like don't know each 74 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: other too, living together for a month they don't want 75 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: to get to which is fun. But I purposely didn't 76 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: ask you a bunch of this stuff because sometimes it's 77 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: better to like learn about a person as you go 78 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: and then dial back because he bringing the baggage of 79 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: then whenever there's like a lull in conversation, like I 80 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: don't know the interviewer brain and me goes like, oh, hey, 81 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: tell me more about anyway. So let's start at the beginning. 82 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: You you're born, grew up where Princeton, New Jersey, so 83 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: born and Brett yeah man crazy Um parents educators, Like 84 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: why were you in Princeton? Both my parents psychologists? Um 85 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: they feel bad exactly. That was growing up for sure. 86 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: Um they both had like private practices a little outside 87 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: you know, uh, Princeton about twenty minutes away. Um, so 88 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: they settled in Princeton and uh, you know I've been 89 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: here ever since. What what kind of psychologists were they? 90 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: Both clinical psychologists. My mom deals with trauma. Uh. My 91 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: dad used to do group therapy. Um. So yeah, all 92 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: the conversations you can imagine we had. Uh that was 93 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: the life. Why did you love basketball? What was it? 94 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: What was it? When was it? What? Tell me how 95 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: that relationship? Uh? Really for my dad, you know he 96 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: uh he was a huge fan. Uh. He played in 97 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: high school. He actually played at Cranford High School and 98 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: at the time the head coach was Hubie Brown. Uh 99 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: so he played for hub which was cool. Uh. He 100 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: has a bunch of he had a bunch of really 101 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: cool stories. Um some nice I'm not so nice as 102 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,799 Speaker 1: you can imagine, I believe, just you know, it's funny. 103 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: We you know, we went to that movie in Cranford, 104 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 1: Menon's movie in Cranford. But um, my dad replaced Hubie 105 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: at Fairy Lawn High School, which time I think he 106 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: was at fair long before Cranford. Wow, right, and that's 107 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: like yeah, so that that's that's how small the world is. 108 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: That's amazing. That's amazing. So yeah, it really came from him. 109 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: You know, I started playing at a really young age, 110 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, four or five, um, and just the you know, 111 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: the love developed from there. You know, just you know, 112 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: by going outside and and you know, playing at the 113 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: park with him and um, you know you just kind 114 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: of you fall in love with this thing and you 115 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: keep doing it and and you know, you want to 116 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: chase some things in the game. So so you when 117 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: you grew up in Princeton, New Jersey in the nineties, yes, 118 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: are is like everything the Princeton offense, like from the 119 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: very youngest age, you like do the you know the 120 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: point and obviously yeah, you know I grew up going 121 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: to the camps, right. Uh. You know you had first 122 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: John Thompson when I really started to go, which was 123 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: early two thousands, um, and then Joe Scott and um. 124 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: So you kind of grow up with you know, learning, 125 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, thinking, you know, you know how to play 126 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: a little bit, and you know, I grew up going 127 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: to games and so, uh, definitely, the Princeton offense was 128 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: always at the forefront of things for sure. Um what 129 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: was what was the Park or the Rex Center where 130 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: you kind of like we're first hooper. Yeah. So there's 131 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: this park, Community Park, which is a local elementary school. 132 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: I didn't go to Community Park. There's four elementary schools 133 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: in Princeton, but Community Park had this league and it 134 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: still does. It's uh and it goes from younger kids 135 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: to middle age kids to adult league at night. Um. 136 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: So I used to go playing the kids league and 137 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: then I would stay and watch the adult league. And 138 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: at that time it was Division one sanction, so um 139 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: A lot of the Princeton players who are around in 140 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: the summer would play, uh, and it was really good competition. 141 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: Some really good players passed through there. Um. So that's 142 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: really where I truly developed my love for for basketball. 143 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: Just watching the men's league games. You know, there was 144 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: a really cool atmosphere. People will come. It's outside under 145 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: the lights. Uh, really cool experience. The league has been 146 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: going for almost thirty years. It's pretty cool. What what 147 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: high school? Jo? I went to Princeton High School, the 148 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: public high school in Princeton, so are they the tigers 149 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: as well as like everything for the little tigers? Dug 150 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: the little tigers, you know, couldn't be the normal tigers 151 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: have little tigers, Yes, sir, did you guys run elbow 152 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: and shin as well? No? No, we we we didn't 153 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: run as much of that. Um, but yeah, there's a 154 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: there's obviously a big pull from the university lot of ways. 155 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: Who's your high school coach? Uh? This guy Jason Carter. Um, 156 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: he went to Princeton High School. Um was a really 157 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: good soccer player, actually played in college and um, you 158 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: know he coached me as a freshman on the freshman team, 159 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: and then my sophomore year I got moved to varsity 160 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: and he became the varsity coach. So I had him 161 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: all four years and he actually was one of my 162 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: college assistants at one point. So I spent a lot 163 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: of time with coach Carter. Good guy. What what were 164 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: you like as a player? UM, I was a undersized forward. 165 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: Um you know, I was six four, UM forward wing. UM, 166 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: I didn't shoot. I actually kind of turned myself into 167 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: a shooter in college. Um, but in high school I 168 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: didn't shoot many threes and kind of just finished around 169 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: the rim and was crafty and uh you know, um, 170 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: but under size for sure? What was what was like 171 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: obviously your dream was to play at Princeton? What what 172 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: was what was the dream? Um? The dream? I don't 173 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: know if it was necessary to play at Princeton, you know, 174 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: I uh, you know, there's some pretty smart guys obviously 175 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: now working there. I know how smart they are, so uh, 176 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a smart guy as well. But I 177 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: didn't know if prince would be my path. Um. I 178 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: really just wanted to play in college. You know. Division 179 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: one was obviously the ultimate goal. And you know, as 180 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: I started to become you know, junior and senior, kind 181 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: of realized that Division three was going to be more 182 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: of my path or I would walk on Division one somewhere. 183 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: But the ultimate goal was to play in college and 184 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: you know, play as long as I could. What what 185 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: what are your currents like? When you're like, again, they 186 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: come from the world of psychology, not from basketball. Yeah, yeah, 187 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: this passion for it, and then you're trying to figure 188 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: out what were they like during this time? They were great, 189 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: really supportive. I mean, my dad coached me all the 190 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: way through until until I got to high school. Like 191 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: he coached middle school travel and whatnot. Um and you 192 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: know we did everything as a family, right, I'm an 193 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: only child, so I don't have siblings. Um So they 194 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: came to all the games. I mean, my parents very 195 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: rarely missed me of my games. Um So, really supportive 196 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: and just kind of helping me, you know, whether it's 197 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: helped me get to travel team, to get better or 198 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, do some different things. They were, you know, 199 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: helping me follow that that dream of playing in college. 200 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: When did you first find out your dad was sick? 201 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: Eighth grade? Eighth grade he got diagnosed with early on Alzheimer's. 202 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: Um So that was, you know, he's a really smart 203 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: He was a really smart guy. Wrote a bunch of 204 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: books clinical also, um other you know, fiction books and 205 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: um so you kind of started to see some different things. 206 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: You know, he used to work a ton, so you 207 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: thought maybe you know, he wasn't sleeping enough, and you know, 208 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: then ultimately got tested and uh then the progression kind 209 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: of started from there, you know, went from you know, 210 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: ninth grade he was still working. Sophomore year he started 211 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: to stop really working, and junior year he kind of 212 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: went downhill and stopped talking. Junior senior year and so 213 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: definitely adjustment. Oh was that life for me? Really hard? 214 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: Really hard? Um, you know he was you know, imagine 215 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: this person that coached your whole life, that was your 216 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: biggest influence. You don't have siblings, You're really close with 217 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: your family in general. Um, and to go from someone, 218 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: you know, a relationship where now I'm having to help 219 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: take care of him with my mom right like we're 220 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: balancing you know each other, or you know, come home 221 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: early from school, you know, have last period of day 222 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: free so I could check on him. You know. So 223 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: that was you grew up fast in those situations, right. Um, 224 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: so it was hard for sure. Did you let your 225 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: your coaches in like did did Coach Carter? Did he know? Yeah? Yeah, 226 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: Coach Carter knew he was great. Um. You know, the 227 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: whole community of Prince and I'm really lucky, you know, 228 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: the whole community kind of took us all in and 229 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: looked out for him. And you know, he had his 230 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: moments where he'd wander and people in the community would 231 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: see him and give him a ride back home, or 232 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, he going into the high school and somebody 233 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: called me and I go get you know, like he Um, 234 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: the whole community of Princeton really looked out for us. 235 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: We had some really good friends, you know, including coach 236 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: Carter and um so everyone was really understanding and new 237 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: and really helpful. But you're you're talking about like, okay, 238 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: balancing your school basketball, your dad has Alzheimer's, banging with 239 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: your mom like high school student and a dude. So 240 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: did this Like were you able to date? Like where 241 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: you did you go? Did you do like the regular 242 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: high school stuff where there's just too much other stuff 243 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: kind of going up? No? I did? I did? I? 244 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: I you know, my mom was really good about you know, 245 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, uh, making sure that I have the normal 246 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: high school experience. And I did that. You know, I 247 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: played football in high school. I played basketball, you know, 248 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: I had a girlfriend, all the above. You know, I 249 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: had to be as normal as possible. But I you know, 250 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: I also included my dad and a lot. I'd bring 251 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,599 Speaker 1: him around different places. Uh you know. Um so you 252 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: kind of had to balance trying to you know, have 253 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: a normal life but also knowing that there's some differences 254 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: and some responsibilities that you have at a younger age 255 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: that people don't have necessarily. Fox Sports Radio has the 256 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of 257 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com and within 258 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app search f s R to 259 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: listen live you it. Did you decide where you were 260 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: going before your senior year? After your senior year? Kind of? Yeah, 261 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: kind of. In the middle of my senior year, I 262 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: was really there was four schools that I end up 263 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: kind of choosing from. I was gonna walk on at 264 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,359 Speaker 1: either College of Charleston or Tampa or play at Guildford, 265 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: where I ended up going for a year, or the 266 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: College of New Jersey. UM. And I ultimately decided I 267 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: really wanted to play. UM. I didn't want to, you know, 268 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: take the chance of not making the team or not 269 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,239 Speaker 1: being able to you know, have a chance to contribute. 270 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: So I decided to go to a small school in Greensboro, 271 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: North Carolina, which is Guildford, who was really good and 272 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: they were coming off to Final four appearances the year 273 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: before I got there. UM. So I went there and 274 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: it was a great experience. UM. I ended up breaking 275 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: my foot before our first game, so I was out 276 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: all year, which was really hard. UM. And that's kind 277 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: of where the coaching part started for me because I 278 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: got to watch for the first time and not play UM. 279 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: And then I ended up transferring because my dad was 280 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: really sick at that time and was, you know, on 281 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: the kind of end stages of life there. So I 282 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: chance her back home to be close and uh finished 283 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: my time out of college New Jersey, which I loved. 284 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm interested though, in the decision to go to 285 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: Guilford when you don't have your dad's voice. Yeah, right, 286 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: like like if I look at I mean, honestly, my 287 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: dad probably too involved in my my decision making to 288 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: go to Notre Dame. It was almost you know, he 289 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: almost kind of led me right to the water. Yeah, 290 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: I drank it, although I mean it was definitely my decision. 291 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: I got to take cool accountability for it. But but 292 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: I do know that you, like you said, he coach 293 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: at a young age. I'm sure he knew your game 294 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: and at some point you would have liked to how 295 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: what what now? Kind of looking back, what is that like? 296 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: To make life changing decision like go away to school 297 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: and not have his GUIDSA It was really hard. You know, 298 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: you end up making most of these important decisions right 299 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: really without him, unfortunately, and I just tried to you know, 300 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: I tried to remember everything he's told me, taught me 301 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: or learned from him, right, whether it's through you know, 302 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: when I was younger or even you know, you learn 303 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: things from people even when they're going through this stuff, right, 304 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: like you learn, you know, you learn things about people. 305 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: So I just you know, obviously became really close to 306 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: my mom and she was really helpful. But um, for me, 307 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: it was just trying to I think I need to 308 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: get away for a little bit. You know, had been 309 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: really hard being home, um, and it was a really 310 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: tough decision to leave that situation, and my mom kind 311 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: of pushed me to do it. Um and you know 312 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: it helped me grow in a lot of ways. Right, 313 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: it was um, but it was hard. It was hard, 314 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: you know, not having his voice to you know, have 315 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: someone to bounce it off with. And you know that's 316 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: where kind of the family atmosphere of you know, Jason 317 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: Carter my high school coach, um, Steve Everett my high 318 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: school football coach. Like those guys were really helpful and 319 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: really caring. So I had a big circle around me. 320 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: Play high school football, I did. I didn't believe it 321 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: or not. I played position, I played corner, I stayed 322 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: twenty yards off, twenty yards off, didn't I played cover 323 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: three and you know I just met you. You know 324 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: you wanted to throw deep. I met you there and 325 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, like to play quarterback. He's sixth 326 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: floor and smart, like you get ahead of I started late, 327 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: so I always you'll like the story. So I always 328 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: wanted to play football growing up, my whole life. I 329 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: want to play football, play with my friends in the backyard. 330 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: Mom when signed the permission, stiff neither of them would 331 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: signed the permission and said, no one would let me 332 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: plan baging, bagging both parents let me play Pop Warner, No, 333 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: al right, freshman year, let me play high school. So 334 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: my dad, he was still in ninth grade, he was 335 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: you know, he was still working. He hadn't really declined yet. 336 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: So my dad's like, all right, I'm gonna watch the 337 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: first practice and I'll let you know. He goes first practice, 338 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: it's like hitting practice, and he comes back he's like, 339 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: you're you're not playing? And uh so my high school coach, 340 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: Steve Everett was you know, he's very charismatic. He walked 341 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: the hallways, grabbed new football players every day, and you 342 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: know he'd be like, come on, come play. I'm like, 343 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: I can't. They won't let me. So my junior year 344 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: comes around and he's like, I'm coming to the house. 345 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: So the high school football coach comes to my house. 346 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: My dad at this point was you know, not speaking, 347 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: so it's really just my mom. And uh, you know, 348 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: he did a good selling. You know, Scott is not 349 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: gonna get hurt. I'm gonna put him on defense, blah 350 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: blah blah. And uh I was able to convince my mom, 351 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: you know, and and uh, you know that at that 352 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: point was out of the picture a little bit. So, uh, 353 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: I got to play football for my last two years. UM. 354 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: But it was awesome. It was football is like, it's 355 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: so cool. It's a different experience, locker room, you're with 356 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 1: you know, forty people, it's it's it's a whole different atmosphere. 357 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: And we had twenty two seniors that played, UM, so 358 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 1: we had a really tight knit group. And you know, 359 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: for our town, we had some some pretty good you know, 360 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: we made the state playoffs for the first time in 361 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: a couple of years. So it was cool. It was 362 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: really cool. He come back to let's let's let's start 363 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: with you're at Guildford who's the coach. The coach is uh, gosh, 364 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm playing on his name Palumbo, Uh, Tom Palumbo who 365 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: had been there for a long time. He was the 366 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: athletic director and coach. UM. And I got recruited by 367 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: the assistant Caleb kimbro Um. So yeah, it was you know, 368 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: he convinced me to go and went all the way 369 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: out to Greensboro. What was what's Guildford like? Is a school, 370 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: really small school under two thousand um. It had a 371 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: really good sports management program, which I knew I wanted 372 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: to be in sports at that time. I didn't know 373 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to coach, but I knew I want to 374 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: do something along sports. UM. And I think the combination 375 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: of good academics, good sports management program, and a really 376 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: good basketball program was you know, really what drew me 377 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: to it. I'm looking at Reagan brown Field up. So 378 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: are you guys playing? Yeah, that is a weird looking place. 379 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: It's weird. It is weird. So it has like wood 380 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: ceiling hund up. But like like yeah, it's like a barn. 381 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: It's weird. It's uh. It was cool though. They had 382 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: and they had a lot of tradition in history, like 383 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, Like I mentioned, they were coming off to 384 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: final four appearances. They had two guys that played in 385 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: the NBA Summer League, Like they had done a really 386 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: really good job. And it's a really the ODAK is 387 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: a really good league. I mean you got Randolph Macon 388 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: who I think just won the National Championship this past year. 389 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: Three um, Virginia Wesley who was always good. So it's 390 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: a really good league. How do you guys play? What 391 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: was the style? Yeah? We um we We kind of 392 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: had a ball screen motion and we threw it into 393 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: you know, they had a lot of success with bigs. 394 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: You know, they had just graduated this guy, Tyler Sandborrow, 395 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: who you know was all American and I think maybe 396 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: even player of the year. Um, and we had a 397 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: couple other you know, six eleven bigs. So we threw 398 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: it into the biggs a lot. And we had this 399 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: point guard that was really good. I'm playing on his 400 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: name now, I think Justin Pittman who could really shoot. 401 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: So a lot of ball screen motion stuff off and 402 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: thrown into the post, you know for some of the 403 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: big Tom Palonbo excellent mustache. Did he had the mustache? 404 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: Yes he did, Yes he did. Excellent solid use to 405 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: the must I can't. I have not a mustache. I've 406 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: never been a mustache. I do respect guys they go 407 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: to the mustaches. Like when you commit to it, you 408 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: commit to it. Yes, yes, no, he committed. You know. 409 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: I haven't seen him in a long time, but imagine 410 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: he still has it. That was kind of his look. Um, Okay, 411 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: so College of New what College of New Jersey was? 412 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: It actually called the College of New Jersey, College of 413 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: New Jersey, Like I think exactly exactly how big is 414 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: how big is the College New Jersey? It's about six 415 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: seven thousand, um undergrad it's a little bit bigger. Um. 416 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: Also D three also Division three they play in the 417 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: in Jack which is you got your Rutgers satellite schools, 418 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: You've got your Richard Stockton William Patterson. So totally differently, 419 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: totally differently in a lot of ways, uh more athlete 420 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: and then Jack um not as much skill, uh fast paced, Um, 421 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: so totally differently. And then you your coach there was 422 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: who Kelly Williams. Kelly Williams who's now the athletic director 423 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: at Kane, which is where we had our training camp. Right, 424 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: So um, but how did it work then? With transferring 425 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: Division three Division three, Like, did you call Kelly? I'm like, hey, 426 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm coming, or does there a spot for me? So 427 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: he recruited me out of high school. UM, and you know, 428 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: I kind of knew pretty early I was going to transfer. UM. 429 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: So I called him and I was like, hey, you know, 430 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: I want to come back home. UM. You know t 431 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: C n J is the place I like to be. 432 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: And he was like, hey, you know, apply, I have 433 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: been doing really well at Guildford. So I thought I 434 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: had to really get a chance to get in. UM. 435 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: And he had a spot for me, you know. UM, 436 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: so you don't have to sit out in division three 437 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: if you go from Division three division three. UM. So 438 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: I got in and that was the only school I 439 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: applied out of transferring, got in and stayed there. You 440 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: mentioned that when you're a Guildford coaching first game possibility. 441 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: UM what was it you were noticing when you're sitting 442 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: when your broken foot? I just you know, this was 443 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: the first time in my life I had not had 444 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: a season where I'm playing right where you're worrying about 445 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: so many different factors of playing getting better development, Like really, 446 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: the whole year was dedicated to rehabbing and watching and 447 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: learning right and from a really good program as in Guildford. 448 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: So for me it was like, wait, this is something 449 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: they do daily. Uh, they're impacting you know. And for me, really, 450 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: what coaching has come down to when I think about 451 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: it's the you know, outside of my parents, Uh, people 452 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: have the biggest influence, have had the biggest influence of 453 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: my life have been coaches, right, And you know, I 454 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: always knew I wanted to do something with people didn't 455 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: have the brain power as the parents to go to 456 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: a lot of schooling and get pH d s and 457 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: be psychologists. So for me, this was the best route 458 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: to impact people's live lives hopefully and be around a 459 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: game that I loved. So Guildford, you know, being hurt 460 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: was a really good chance to see, you know, day 461 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: in and day out what coaches did right and how 462 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: they taught and um and the impact they had. So 463 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: you um, so you go to t C n J. 464 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: Did you play immediately? I didn't played immediately. It came 465 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: off the bench. Uh, played twenty minutes a game or so. Um. 466 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: I think I started a couple of games towards the 467 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: you know, end of the season, and you know, t 468 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: C NJ was like a whole rebuild. It was totally different. Uh. 469 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: You know, the year before I got there, I went 470 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: five and twenty. My first year there, we won nine games. 471 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: Like it was a total rebuild until my senior year 472 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: where we had some success from different experience. And then 473 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: how did you come to do work at Princeton while 474 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: you're still at t C NJ. So I caint, you know, 475 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: after Guilford, I figured out I wanted to get into coaching, um. 476 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: And you know, so I started to work camps, you know, 477 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 1: try to work different camps. And so Howard Levy, who 478 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: I think you know, um, Jewish guy that played at Princeton. 479 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: I've known him, you know, my whole life from growing 480 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: up going to Princeton camps and he's a close family friend. 481 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: So I've reached out to him about a connection to 482 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: work camps at Princeton, and you know, he was able 483 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: to connect me. Um. So I worked camps first summer there. 484 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: UM worked at that Rutgers Rider, kind of did the 485 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: whole tour division one tour around New Jersey just to 486 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: kind of make some connections. Um. And then after a 487 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: summer working camp, I got offered an internship with Princeton 488 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,959 Speaker 1: going into my senior year, which is really where you know, 489 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: the rest happened. Let's let's go back. How old were 490 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: you when your dad died. I was twenty one when 491 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: my dad died. So you're a junior, Yes, I was, Yes, 492 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: a junior. What timey? When was it? He passed away? November? 493 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: November one? So it's basketball? Yeah. Yeah. I missed my 494 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: first scrimmage, uh, junior year, um because he was in 495 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: the hospital and you know he you know, went from Halloween. 496 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: We had a first scrimmons on Halloween and you know, 497 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: he he passed uh in the afternoon on the first 498 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: How did you handled emotionally? Uh? Not great at first? Right, 499 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: Like it was I was up and down for sure, 500 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: Like it was really challenging, Like you know, you had 501 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: your moments that whole season for me, I was I 502 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: was up and down and I ended up breaking my 503 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: ribs diving on a loose ball and practice and you know, 504 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: so I had broken ribs at the funeral and you know, 505 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: it was, uh, you know, everybody's trying to give you 506 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: hugs and your ribs are killing you, and you're like, 507 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, they think you're crying. Because you're upset, but 508 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm crying because my ribs are killing me. Um. But yeah, 509 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: it was hard. My emotions were all over the place, 510 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: for sure. You know, some days I handled it better 511 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: than others, some days I didn't. All right, Um, so 512 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: I was really counting. There's also and I don't want 513 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: to speak for you, because my my my grandpa died 514 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: of Alzheimer's. There's also this weird almost relief because because oftentimes, 515 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: like my dad when his dad died, he was there 516 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: three days and the third day he died, but before 517 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: you dad he recognized him. For the first few days 518 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: he didn't. But it's like you're that's not the person 519 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: that you know that you love, and then when ultimately 520 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: they passed, there's a little bit of relief of like 521 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: at the end, it's just it's really hard to you know, 522 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: really hard to interact and you want to be there. 523 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: But if you don't recognize you, theyn't understand you, they 524 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: don't it doesn't resonate some of that some of that 525 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: true of you. For sure. It was you know, the 526 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: last year my dad was in a nursing home, and 527 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: he had to be in a nursing home in Pennsylvania 528 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: because in New Jersey, if you're in a nursing home, 529 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: then they count your spouses uh as assets. So my 530 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: whole mom's you know, bank account, my whole mom's savings 531 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: would have got you raced tank for retirement. So we 532 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: had to go to Pennsylvania, which is an hour intendants away. 533 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: So my mom's going up almost every day. I'm going 534 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: up three or four times a week to see him. 535 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: And it was really hard, like, you know, you don't 536 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: want to see anyone in a nursing home. It's a 537 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: really tough situation. That's not who he was. Um, So 538 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: you know it was it's sadness, but it was also 539 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: relief you know that he was, you know, no longer 540 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, in that state and in someone that he wasn't. 541 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: Your best memory of your dad is well, Um, it's 542 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: really just it's it's at Community Park, Um, just playing right, 543 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: just you know, working on my game with him, him rebounding. Um. 544 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: You know, we spent a lot of hours there. We 545 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: spent a lot of hours. So that's you know, just overall, 546 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: Um at Community Park rebounding, him rebounding for me. So 547 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: you get through your junior before your senior year. How 548 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: did you find out you got offered this internship at Princeton. 549 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: One of the assistants who's now our associate head coach, 550 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: Brett McConnell um, he had reached out to me. He 551 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: you know, so that what had happened. They were playing 552 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: a Division three game against Rowan UM, which is in 553 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: our conference. So Brett called me, is like, hey, tell 554 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: me you know what you know about Rowing. So I 555 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: kind of gave him my scout of rowing UM and 556 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: then you know, they play Rowan they beat him, you 557 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: know whatever. He calls me back, thanks me, uh, and 558 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: then he said, hey, you know we have this position, 559 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: uh internship position where as long as you're receiving you know, 560 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: school credit, you can come in intern for us UM 561 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: in the summer. That's something you're interested in. I was like, yes, absolutely, UM. 562 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: So then I got T C n J to uh 563 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: give me an independent study to do it. I had 564 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: to convince the marketing chair to you know, there was 565 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: no really class specific to do that. So I convinced 566 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: the marketing chair to let me do an independent study 567 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: to get class credit. And UM, so I did an 568 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: internship UM going in one senior year summer UM the 569 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: whole summer and you know, doing everything from helping more 570 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: nice camps to you know, helping with recruiting visits to 571 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, anything they needed you get down playing well. 572 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: So your senior year, what was that like? Good? It was? 573 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: It was really good. It was the first time, you know, 574 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: we had struggled at t C n J. And then 575 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: finally you know, I had a group of guys that 576 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: actually all transferred in together. Um, we kind of changed. 577 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: I felt the culture of the program. And um, you know, 578 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: we finished top three, finished the first time in ten years, 579 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: and you know, made then Jack playoffs. So we really 580 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: I felt like, ended on a high note. And since then, 581 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: they've you know, they won the in Jack, They've had 582 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: a lot of success and and uh, you know have 583 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: kind of carried that on. So it was great. It 584 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: was a really good senior year. And and as soon 585 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: as you know, I would go to Princeton still to 586 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: help out as much as I could. Um, but as 587 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: soon as our season ended, I went right back to Princeton, 588 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: and you know, it was just volunteering, knowing that you know, 589 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: I was hoping to get a job in basketball, not Princeton, 590 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: but basketball. Your last game playoffs. Yeah, playoffs Jersey City. 591 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: We lose at home. It was against New Jersey City. Um, 592 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: it was against I was like, yeah, yeah, it was 593 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: home game. We got upset, really tough, did not have 594 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: the game that I should have had. But you know 595 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: it was you know, they were good, they were really good. 596 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: They were really good. They did a good job. When 597 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: you're in the locker room after that game, did you realize, like, 598 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: that's the last time you're really gonna lace them up 599 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: and be on a team. Yeah, it definitely hit me, Like, 600 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, I had flirted with the idea of if 601 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: I can't find a coaching job, trying to play in 602 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: the hundreds division in Israel wherever they take me. Um, 603 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: but you know I knew it was it was over 604 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: right from there. So that was that was tough. Yeah, 605 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: that was tough. That was emotional roller coaster for sure. 606 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: So you started at Priston and then how did it? 607 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: How did it progress there? Like first year out? What 608 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: are you doing? So I got so I go back 609 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: to Princeton after season ends at t C n J 610 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: while I'm finishing up, only had two classes my last semester. 611 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: I'm there every day helping out. Um, as an intern, 612 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: and the director of BASKETB Operations at the time was 613 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: this guy Craig Moore, who was a really good player, 614 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: played at Northwestern, led the Big ten in threes um, 615 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: I think led the country and three's made the senior 616 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: year and uh, he was really good and giving me 617 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,479 Speaker 1: a lot of work and assistance, gave me a lot 618 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: of work, was a really good staff. Um. And after 619 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: he decided he did it, he did the Baskebab operations 620 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: job for one year and decided that it wasn't for him, 621 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: so he left. And I had kind of been doing 622 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: the job a little bit um for a while and 623 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: got lucky enough to get an interview and and uh, 624 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: Mitch hired me right out of the college. So I started, 625 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, I graduated in May and June fifteenth was 626 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: my first day at Princeton as director of basketb Operations. 627 00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: Was what was what was your initial impression of metch Um? 628 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,239 Speaker 1: Really genuine guy, like really cares, really genuine like you know, 629 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: I would be around the office and he would ask 630 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: me how I'm doing. He took it, you know, he 631 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: took interest in me, and that's you know for a 632 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: Division one head coach too you know, ask me as 633 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: an intern, how I'm doing and check in and you 634 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: know give me. You know, he would give me some 635 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: things like hey, Sky can you work on this project? 636 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: Like for him to even take an interest in me 637 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: in any way, Um, my first impression of him was 638 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: just genuine. So what what years? This? This is okay? Um? 639 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: So the year before you got there, because are just 640 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: okay your first year and seven, twelve and two and leak, 641 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: that's obviously that's the sky In factor. Yeah, yeah, you 642 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: know director of ops. Uh, you know factor for sure. 643 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: Now we had a we had a really good team. 644 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: We had a really good team that year, really good 645 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: some older guys. What was different about the program being 646 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: inside it as opposed to when you're just entering, Like 647 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: what was what? What? What did you learn in those 648 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: early stages that was different than you thought? I mean 649 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: you just learned there's you know, at a mid major 650 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: level program like you don't have g A, you don't 651 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: have like you really have your head coach, your three 652 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: assistance director of basketb operations. Right, maybe you have a 653 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: couple of managers, but it is you were doing everything 654 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: right and you know, especially as director of ops, you 655 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: have your hand in a little bit of everything. Like 656 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: you work directly with Mitch um on a lot of 657 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: different things, and you know, you are you see everything. 658 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: So it's it's a it's a small business type of 659 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: approach organization that you're kind of running, so you kind 660 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: of see all of that and you know all the 661 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: time equity that goes into it. You know, I think 662 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,959 Speaker 1: a lot of us in the outside. So people think 663 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: they know about IVY leagues and they really don't have 664 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: much of an idea about the IVY leagues. Um. I 665 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: think the best example, there's a couple of things. One, 666 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: it's the financial eight elements too. I don' want to 667 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: ask you about that too. There's the grades that are 668 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 1: required to be recruited at that level. UM. Three, there's 669 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: a sense that, well, you also have a j V 670 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: and there's no scholarships, so you can take as many 671 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: people as you want. Again, it's the perception, whether it's 672 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: the reality or not. Um. So let's let's start with 673 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: with that one. Can you take as many people as 674 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: you want? Is are a limit to how many people 675 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: you can take? Yeah, there's a limit similar to you know, 676 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: so how it works is the athletic department, hole gets 677 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: a certain amount of slots, you know, every department. Every 678 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: year it's a little different. And then they give you, 679 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: you know, a certain amount of slots that you can 680 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: have and it's usually really to be honest, like it's 681 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: usually what you lose. How you're graduating four guys, you 682 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: get four slots. You're graduating three, you get three slots, right, UM, 683 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: So you can't you know, there's just perception like we 684 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: can just take take take UM. But you only have 685 00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: so many UH slots that UH emissions will support UM 686 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,399 Speaker 1: in athletics and total in each program has a different 687 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: number each year UM. So similar to scholarship limit UM, 688 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: just a little different. Now you do have a JV 689 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,760 Speaker 1: team we do, We do UM, so that's really guys 690 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: that are walking on our younger guys will play in 691 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: that UM, you know, and each year is kind of 692 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: fluctuated based on you know, sometimes you don't get as 693 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: many JV games because you got a lot of injuries, right, 694 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: and younger guys are having to play, right, So kind 695 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: of just fluctuate based on the year. But we we 696 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,720 Speaker 1: have had a j V program and then who coaches 697 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: that I've coached it UM I've actually since I've been here, 698 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: I've coached it for the most part, which has been great. 699 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: And do they do they just show up at varsity practice. 700 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: You have their own practice, you know, they a lot 701 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: of the guys are are So you have a lot 702 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: of freshman that play UM and then you have a 703 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: couple you know, the walk on or a couple other 704 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: guys that aren't in the varsity program that will show up, 705 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, after practice and you know we'll get you know, 706 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes in here. They are kind of 707 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: after practice just to kind of get together. Um. So 708 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit you're kind of figuring it 709 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: out and seeing who you have and then you know, 710 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: one of a sudden, all you know, these guys got 711 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: a test and they can't come down, and so you're 712 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: kind of you're you're justing on the fly for sure. Um, 713 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: but COVID, you know, we haven't had it a couple 714 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: of years because of COVID. Okay, so what is what 715 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: are what the challenges academically? Let's start with just getting 716 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,439 Speaker 1: kids in yep, Um, what are the challenges to getting 717 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: somebody in academically? It's you know, I think the challenges 718 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: are people don't understand from an early age your transcripts 719 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: being evaluated. Right, So it's not like I'm just looking 720 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: our admissions. More importantly is looking at junior senior year. 721 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: They're looking at your freshman year, right, and if you 722 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: know there's a blemish there, they're gonna ask you or 723 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna ask me, hey, why did this person you 724 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: know get to see freshman year math or whatever the 725 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: case is. Right. So I think the challenges educating people 726 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: from an early age of that every great matters, every 727 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: class matters. You have to push yourself, you know, Princeton 728 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: and other IDs. They want to see you take uh 729 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: an academic rigor um that challenges yourself. Right, So I 730 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 1: think those are the challenge of just educating people on 731 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: what a good transcript looks like and how to build that. 732 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: Ken you Ken, You'm like can you if you hit 733 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: a C? Yeah? Like at gotta see he's out cutting? No, no, Um. 734 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: It's really a holistic approach, right, It's it's a holistic 735 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: approach where they look at everything and what class did 736 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: you get to see? What time? Why? You know, there's 737 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: some different things. However, it does make things challenge, right, 738 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: you want to avoid sees. Okay, the best of your players. 739 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: You had the best transcript you've seen. Like, we've seen 740 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: some good ones, Doug, give you one you have who's 741 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: you have currently or you've you've coached at Princeton, Like 742 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: this thing was this thing was so good. I almost 743 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: thought it was. We've had a couple where you're like, 744 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: you know, getting the Princeton on your own is like 745 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: winning the lottery. Like it's under five percent acceptance rate. 746 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: It's really hard to get in. And so we've had 747 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: a couple of guys that I was like, um, we 748 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: we actually had a California We have a California guy, Um, 749 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: Mason Hooks and he took really rigorous classes. He wants 750 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: to do my molecular biology at Princeton. So he's a 751 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: science guy. He's six ten, he was first team All 752 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: State in California. Monster Um, and he's just you know, 753 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,439 Speaker 1: his transcript was awesome, awesome. He's just like, no way, 754 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: the kid kids have a little fun at some point 755 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: in high school. You know, Mace. Mace is such a 756 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: funny guy. Man. He you know, he dabbles with a 757 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: little bit of everything. He called you know, high school games, 758 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: baseball games, and uh, you know he plays guitar and 759 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: and he's just a really well rounded kid and comes 760 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: from a really good family. So but his transcript you're like, gosh, 761 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: he's you know, I'm watching him grab re offensive, rebound 762 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 1: and throw guys around. And then you're like, you know, 763 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: this guy's got a four point oh and you know, 764 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: unbelievable transcripts. So it was those guys you love, you 765 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,879 Speaker 1: love those guys. Yeah, we had so so I don't 766 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: know if I told you this one. So Pat Garrity 767 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: was at Notre Dames when I was there, and the 768 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: famous Pat Getty story was he um after his first semester, 769 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: maybe a sex specter. I think his first speaster. He 770 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: had a b and friend McCaffrey, who accreued both a 771 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: sneezy ye ahead of me. McCaffrey called called him and 772 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 1: he's like, Pat, look at your grades. You gotta be 773 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,720 Speaker 1: we didn't bring you all the way here from Colorado. 774 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: He's like, yes, or a coach and he like walked 775 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 1: out like he was like pissed, and it was just 776 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: I was kidding, Pat, kidding, yeahs amazing, just mess with 777 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: and like never got another beat, just just just nutt. 778 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: All right. That's it for part one of my uh 779 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: my pod with sky It and Part two is really 780 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: really fascinating. We also talk about feeble rules, coaching together 781 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: and UM and the pandemic year in the Ivy League, 782 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,919 Speaker 1: what they did and how hard it was to come 783 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: back from it reminded the Doug God. The show is 784 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: daily three to sixty Eastern twelve three Pacific on your 785 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio IP You can also download in podcast form. 786 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: You can listen to it at Fox Sports Radio Fox 787 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: Sports Radio dot Com. In the meantime, stay tuned from 788 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: part two, will drop it in like a day. I'm 789 00:41:42,080 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: Doug Gliban. This is all ball Upper Upper