WEBVTT - Henry Driver 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:06.040 Hello, Henry. Hello Mom. Alright, I'm going to get the 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:09.000 giggling out of the way. I really am so happy 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.280 that you're doing this show because you know how I've 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:15.280 said in wanting to do this podcast, it's about collecting 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:19.599 all these different ideas and perspectives from all these different people. 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.239 And to have a twelve year old view of all 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.400 these questions but also of the world is incredibly important 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.480 and interesting. Yeah, we have been discovered as much as 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.080 some of you older folks, so I think it's just 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:34.600 an interesting point of view. But I don't think you 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.479 think less deeply though. I mean, I feel like you 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:42.040 are pretty considered person. Thank you, You're welcome. I taught 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:48.680 you well why you did. Yes, Hello, I'm mini driver 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:53.240 and welcome to many questions. I've always loved fust questionnaire. 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.440 It was originally an eighteenth century parlor game meant to 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.360 reveal an individual's true nature. But with so many questions 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.040 and there wasn't really an opportunity to expand on anything. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.560 So I took the format of Proof's questionnaire and adapted 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.240 what I think are seven of the most important questions 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:13.240 you could ever ask someone they are, when and where 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:17.080 were you happiest. What is the quality you like least 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:22.520 about yourself. What relationship, real or fictionalized, defines love for you? 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:28.240 What question would you most like answered, What person, place, 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.480 or experience has shaped you the most? What would be 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:36.320 your last meal? And can you tell me something in 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.320 your life that has grown out of a personal disaster. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.039 The more people we ask, the more we begin to 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.120 see what makes us similar and what makes us individual. 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.160 I've gathered a group of really remarkable people who I 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.360 am honored and humbled to have had a chance to 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:59.000 engage with. My guest today is Henry Driver. Henry is 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:03.920 a thoughtful, curious, quick witted lover of video games, music, 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:09.040 and dungeons and Dragons. Henry is also my son. He's 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.840 been part of the creation of this podcast from the beginning, 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.880 both as intellectual and technical support. I mean, on numerous 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.200 occasions she used to fixed my computer. I mean mostly 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:23.240 you know, it just wasn't turned on. But he also 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.600 helped me formulate the questions themselves. I wanted to include 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.000 the voice and thoughts of a twelve year old boy 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:33.680 living in this time of social dislocation and remote everything. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.280 I always learn a lot from talking to him and 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:47.280 interviewing him today was no different at all. I'm gonna 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:51.920 ask you the first question, when and where were you happiest? Wow, 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:56.200 that's already deep. Um. I think I'd have to say 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.920 on my dad's hammock out on his porch, it was 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.400 it was not that long ago. I think it was 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.320 just it was like a week ago or something. I 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:12.120 just I've never really felt so peaceful at any point 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.240 in my life of just laying down and kind of 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:18.600 just being in nature. And no, no, no, like offense 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.280 to you, mom, none taken my darning. Do you do 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:27.919 you equate happiness with peace? So is that your your 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.320 idea of what of what real of happiness is is 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.920 feeling peaceful? I think that's one of the things that 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.120 go into happiness. I think happiness is definitely at various 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.080 from person to person. Like one person will think this 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.160 is happiness. That's some other person will think this is happiness. 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.520 And I think it's just where you feel like yourself 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.600 the most is where you are happiest. Why do you 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:55.760 feel like yourself the most? I like that dying. I 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.720 gotta stop calling you downing because you're a guest and sorry, Henry, Yes, 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.640 I think that that is actually the incredibly good advice 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:05.600 to give yourself in your life, which is where you 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.000 feel yourself the most, is where you will be the happiest. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.240 We've talked about this quite a lot, but looking for 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.880 of anything all the time, it's probably folly. So thinking 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.000 that you're going to be happy all the time, it's 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.760 probably not going to work out. Yeah, it's not possible. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.280 I mean, there's always going to be those moments when 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.440 you drop and you're going to be sad. But sadness 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.800 has to balance out the happiness. So I think it 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.880 all kind of just comes into a giant circle dying. 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:41.279 I love you so much, we do what question, which 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:49.000 you most like answered? Okay, So I mean where does 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:53.120 everything go? What's the point of it all? Like, well, 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:57.720 what happens? We're we're all just sort of living, right, 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:59.720 We're all just sort of living on this earth. We're 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.159 doing what we do. But why? And I just I 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:06.320 want to know why because it doesn't really in the 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:12.320 whole scheme of everything. What does us doing anything matter? 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:18.600 That's my question. I know, it's it's weird. It's like, 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.920 believe me, philosophers have been pontificating about this for time immemorial, 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.560 What does it mean? And does they have to be meaning? 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.280 I think we search for meaning, we want to attach 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.680 meaning to it. But I think that's a very human trait. Yeah, 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.320 I definitely think that as well, because you wouldn't find 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.680 a pig questioning its own mortality. I mean, no, a 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:40.640 big is just a big. In fact, Stephen fo I 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:44.120 talked about tree frogs. Tree frogs don't question how they 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.400 tree frog. They just do it. They do it because 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:51.680 it's instinct. But when you're able to like conceptualize it, 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.000 it kind of gets messed up in your own head. 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.360 Do you think it's because we think we're so much 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.720 better than everything else human beings that they we we 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.000 think there should be a meaning, like that, our lives 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.120 are so important, there must be a meaning to it. Yeah, 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.320 Like over the thousands of years, humans have been sort 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.800 of thinking there's always superior, and I think that definitely 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.120 puts on a mindset of we're more important, We're the 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:17.440 ones that should live forever and where we can do everything. 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.320 But in actual fact, what what are you doing? I mean, well, 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.160 what exactly what? How? So how can those two things 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.240 be true? How can we think that we're so important? 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:31.360 And yet be destroying the planet in such and and 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.120 now conscious way, Like we know what's happening, and we're 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.560 not we're not changing at a fast enough right, So 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.960 why there's still people that don't believe it's true? Like 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:46.279 how it's so obvious that we are messing the planet up, 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.760 but in our heads we think it's gonna be fine, 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.279 everything's gonna work out. We're human, Well, we know what 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.560 to do, but in actual fact we don't. So do 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.080 you think there's just a fundamental arrogance and us having 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.360 been so if at the top of the food chain 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.760 for so long and we've become complacent and just think 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.200 we're owed answers and we can do whatever we want 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.880 with this planet, Like do you think most of that's 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.560 kind of what's happening? Yeah? I think if you get 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.520 used to something for so long, you just sort of 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.200 kind of you just put it at the back of 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.120 your head. You don't really care about what's happening to it, right, 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.680 But then as it gets worse and worse it has 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:30.560 you have to kind of realize something that it's just 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:34.800 kind of going wrong. What do you think is what 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.560 do you think it is all for? The messy business 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:41.160 of living us being terrible custodians of a planet? Like, 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.000 what do you think do you think there is a 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.640 meaning or do you think that there actually isn't. I 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.160 don't think there's a meaning to what we do. I 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.720 think we live our lives and the people that do 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.320 what they want are the people that live. And I 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.240 think that's the meaning of why we live, to do 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:01.120 what we want. But what about society owning and mortgages 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.720 and constructs and all the stuff. That's what people have created. 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.080 That's what people have created to make it so that 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:12.160 you can live how you want in the confines of 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:17.080 being like an okay, im moral person, right yeah, air 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:21.800 quotes and I mean you have to live your life 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.600 how you want it. Otherwise how how are you going 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.040 to be happy? Ever? So, do you think what Grandpa 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.160 said to me when I was a kid, which was 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.640 find what you love to do and get someone to 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.640 pay you to do it. I think that is a 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.640 huge part of it. I want to be out in 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.960 the world, right, that's me. Other people can do them. 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.640 So would you rather not have very much money and 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.839 sort of live out of a van and be doing 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.240 what you want? Whatever? That? If that's how it goes, 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.079 then yes, yeah, I would rather live out of a van. 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.240 Wait if if what goes, how if that's how I 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.240 want to live, then yeah, that's how it goes. See, 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:03.520 you really are a libertarian. You just want to You 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.800 just want to do what you want. I have no 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.760 idea what that means. Well, there's two meanings to it. 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.400 There's a political meaning to it, which is a particular 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:15.600 way of thinking, which is literally sort of you get 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.280 to do what you want. No government, no nothing, nobody 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.199 tells you what to do. It's sort of like First 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:24.480 Amendment on steroids. But a libertarian also, I mean they 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.840 it means, you know, liberty. It's freedom, So the freedom 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.600 to do what you want, be who you want. I'm 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.439 interested to see what you want when you grow up, 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.680 and like, what kinds of things do you think you're 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:39.800 going to want? I honestly don't know really, but you 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.320 kind of want to have the space to be able 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.640 to figure that out. Yeah, I think that's that's how 0:09:44.679 --> 0:10:04.400 we live, right. Question three, what relationship, real or fictionalized 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.800 defines love fear? Now this is the one that I 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:13.360 thought about the most. Well, I'm a TV connoisseur, as 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.480 some would say, so I I do like to watch TV. 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:21.240 I'm an enthusiast. Some may say, so I have had 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.280 my fair share of TV, and I'd like to take 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:27.200 mine from a certain television show called Adventure Time. And 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:31.880 it's between two people called Simon Petrokov and Betty, and 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:37.480 I find that their relationship is it's it goes through 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.880 thousands of years, right, and in the shortest explanation that 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:46.640 I can make, is one of them, Simon Petrokov he 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:51.520 can basically live forever, and his wife, who he wants 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:55.200 to be his wife, Betty, cannot live forever, and her 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.520 seeing that he can live forever, she runs away. She 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.400 does not want to be with him anymore. But thousands 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:04.040 and thousands of years into the future, he finds a 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.920 way to get her to love him again and goes back, 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:11.600 and she takes him back. And I find that love 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.040 is just a place where you care about somebody so 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.360 much that you would go through change, you'd go through 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.440 everything just to find them again, even if you lost them. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:26.160 So I feel like it's just a connection that you 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:31.080 cannot be broken if you actually truly love someone. I 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:35.800 think that's very true, and I think that idea of forbearance, 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:37.920 which is a really great word. I don't know. I 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.600 do know what forbearance means. I mean, I can kind 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:46.200 of guess, but not not exactly. It's like waiting something out, 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.720 being strong through time, having the temerity to bear something 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.000 and being strong, and I think that is a corner 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.319 stone of loving for sure. Well, I know how much 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.760 he loves adventure time. I love adventure time as well. 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.280 You taught me everything I know about advantage time, and 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.439 we both love it. I like that it taught you 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.920 about love, just because I'm twelve and I literally have 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:12.120 no idea about relationships. You know what, baby, You've got 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.240 to start somewhere. Your first relationship and love is actually 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.120 with yourself, which nobody really tells you, and the way 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.600 that you treat yourself, on the way that you sort 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.559 of barely up to your own life. You're in the 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.600 right place. You're doing I think you're doing all the 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.040 right stuff. And you know, one day you'll have a 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.600 relationship with a person and you'll listen to this conversation 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:36.839 and wonder why I didn't give you better advice. I 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:43.360 think is pretty great. Mom. Thanks Darling. Henry Henry, Mr Driver, 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:52.800 Mr Driver, Mr Driver so what quality do you like 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:59.000 least about yourself? I think a quality that i'd like 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.520 least about my self it would have to be the 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:05.200 I'm not like a perfectionist or anything. Just to sort 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.560 of back up this question, I just never think I 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:13.000 get things perfectly correct. So I'll make something that I'll 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:14.760 be like, oh, this is cool, and I'll be like, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.840 wait a second, that's that's not right. Let me let 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:19.559 me read that, and I'll just keep on doing it 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.080 until I just never finish it. So I feel like 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.920 that's and I know it. I'm trying not to make 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:30.200 it perfect, just acceptable, and I just can never reach that. Well, 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.439 you don't feel like you can reach acceptability, So it's 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:37.360 not perfectionism, it's acceptable, is m. Yeah, I guess that 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:41.600 is the correct term for that. Yeah. Yeah, I just 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:46.760 I always think there's a detail that's incorrect. It's interesting. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:51.200 I wonder if you get that from me. You're very 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:55.400 hard on yourself, and yeah, your as well, I know, 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.760 And I feel like, actually, it's funny hearing you say that. 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:01.360 I kind of get a bit of a drop in 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:06.400 my stomach because I recognize that of being really tough 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.920 on yourself. But I see you give to really most 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.840 of what you do and working very hard. And I 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.760 also know I do that, but I don't think either 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.640 of us give ourselves quite enough credit. Yeah, I definitely 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:23.160 think that's true. Well, that's just taught me hearing you 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.040 say that is great. I passed on the quality I 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:31.600 like least about myself to my child. Good work. But 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.960 I mean, it's not like it's not the worst thing 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.640 that could have come out of anybody. I mean, there's 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.360 always like different things that could be so much worse. 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.760 But I think that is just what I find to 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:49.480 be the most disliked by me. M. It's also like 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.880 having an awareness of it means you're infinitely more likely 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.280 to change it, right if you wanted to, I'd say so. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.320 It's it's easier to like, it's easier to get rid 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.920 of something if you can recognize it first. I think 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:07.120 you have to recognize it first, don't you, Otherwise you 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.520 might just be getting rid of bits of yourself. They 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:14.240 are actually quite good. Yeah, I mean it's a metaphor 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:25.640 for life. Yea, what in your life has grown out 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.080 of a personal disaster, And you know, by a personal disaster, 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.920 I mean something that at the time seemed very hard, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.600 or like it was something not working out. So I'm twelve, 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.800 so I haven't had many personal disasters in my time. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:45.400 I think I don't want to go sat, don't sensor yourself, 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:49.160 love and say whatever you feel. I think when really past, 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:55.000 I realized that nothing is really permanent in a way 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.960 like death will come, but just like you have to 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.680 make the most of the time you have until the 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:08.840 end point comes. I think that's just a thing that 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:12.280 will happen at some point, but you always have to think, 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.720 but what can we do now instead of what that 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.720 does happen? And I think that's what definitely came out 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.680 from Grannies passing. Did you really think that that after 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:26.000 she died, it was like, Wow, we better live every 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.840 moment because it really is, it's gone in an instant. 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:33.720 It's temporary. Yeah, I think that was some big thing 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:38.280 that came out of Grannies passing. Definitely. Do you think 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.600 that's also where you really want to do what you do, 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.320 what you want and not follow any kind of mainstream 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:48.880 idea in your life. It's just like go live live 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.200 it's your life. Yeah, baby, I want you to do 0:16:52.280 --> 0:17:01.000 that too. Liberal liberal libratarian liberty liberty, libertarian, same thing 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.800 a libratarian. I wouldn't mind if you're a libratarian, because 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.000 that means that it will probably be about free libraries. 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.800 I mean I would run for that if I was 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.080 a president, you'd run on a platform of free libraries. Yes, 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.680 I'm a libratarian. Libraries are free. I mean, I guess 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.600 you have to get a card. Maybe it'll be on 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.040 a platform of like it was against the law to 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:31.920 close libraries now, definitely free libraries. That's quite ast of 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:35.679 Homer Simpson platform free libraries. They're already free. But I 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:39.880 don't care. I mean, yeah, well, everyone gets a library, 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.719 no matter who you are, you get a library. All right, 0:17:42.800 --> 0:18:00.639 my little libratarian, What person, place, or experience has most 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:04.960 altered your life? I think it was definitely moving to 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:09.920 England because that changed, That changed everything, and it kind 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.399 of opened up my perspective to the world. I just 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:17.199 my view completely widened. Everything just kind of it was 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.639 just different and I liked it being in a different place. 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.399 I thought it changed how I looked at the world 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.760 a lot. Can you say some of the things that like, 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.560 either you suddenly saw how you thought about them before 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:33.080 and then how you thought about them differently once you 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.400 were going to school in a different country. Yeah, I 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.119 thought in l A, that's how I thought you were 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:42.399 supposed to live by a certain routine and you were 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:46.440 supposed to have this blank blank blank set out for you, right, 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.919 But then when I moved to England, it's sort of 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.879 it all changed. There was no there wasn't a routine. 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.040 I would go to school and then I would maybe 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.399 I'd walk over to my cousin's house, maybe I'd go 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.840 to the park, maybe i'd walk somewhere, just anywhere to 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.840 the train as well, by yourself with your cousin. Yeah, 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.240 it would be completely different to just go to school, 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:10.400 come back home, do homework, watch TV, dinner, go to sleep. Right, 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.879 it just changed, which I just thought it was amazing 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.879 living completely differently. Do you think that you You know, 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.879 the other thing about me, your mother, is that I 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.360 have such a difficult time with change, and I love 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:27.600 things to stay the same and for a routine, And 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.000 which is probably why why fourth that on you? Did 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:35.520 you always know that you liked to change before or 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.240 did going to England really show you that this was 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.280 something that you could embrace and take on into the 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.680 rest of your life. I definitely think it was going 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.680 to England because before I just thought routine was how 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:49.280 how it kind of went. I think that was my plan, 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.560 but it changed definitely as I went to England. It's 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:59.359 sort of my perspective expanded. As I say, you left 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:04.479 behind an enormous amount, like you left behind your whole life, 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:08.600 your friendships, your everything. I didn't leave them behind. I 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:12.840 still have them as friends. You're completely correct, but you 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:18.000 you stepped out of that. Did that feel exciting or 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:22.720 scary to you both? Honestly? I mean there was certain 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.200 aspects like I was horrified that I was going to 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.639 lose my friends, but at the same time, I was 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:29.840 excited that I was going to make new friends, and 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.280 just everything was kind of different now and it was 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.080 going to be cool. At least I hoped it was 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:38.720 school it was, so do you appreciate that about yourself? Like, 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.119 can you sometimes get the perspective go, wow, you know 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.879 I did that. I actually did something that was really 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:48.280 hard and overcame it, yeah, and moved, you know, opened 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:53.480 up the aperture to experience something that was very different. Yeah, 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:57.560 I definitely think that. I think opening up to new 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:01.040 experiences is just it's how how it's how it goes. 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.600 But do you process that yourself? So in terms of going, 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:10.919 I'm a person who can accommodate change and flexibility, and like, 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:12.520 I just want to make sure this is going into 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.359 the basic architecture of who you are because it's Having 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:19.640 watched you navigate all of this, it was pretty mind blenning. Yeah, 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.159 for me to kind of watch you because you just 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.240 you asked if we could go. It wasn't This wasn't 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:29.840 driven by me or my boyfriend Addison. This was this 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.800 was you saying, can we do this as a family? Yeah, 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:38.200 I definitely think so, and I think I I sort 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:41.520 of it was an independent is decision because there are 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.200 still some things that I had to consult with you guys, 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.359 but it was still relatively independent and that felt good. 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:59.760 I liked it good. Remember that turning one very important lessons. Now, 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:08.600 last question, Yes, okay, so what would be your last meal? 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:15.040 So like within the government confines of like or what 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:23.920 you're immediately putting yourself on death row? What's happening? Oh, 0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:26.040 oh my god, darling, what did you do to get 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.800 on to death rock? I don't know if you asked 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:32.640 the question. It doesn't. It doesn't. Oh my god, it's 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:34.920 so awful that that's where you think that that's where 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.960 it would be. I mean, I suppose, I suppose last meal. 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.600 That's what the last meal means. Is there really only 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.520 a certain amount of money abortion for for prisoners on 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:46.720 death you can only get certain things and it has 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:48.520 to be within a certain amount of money, and it 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:51.680 can't be like it can't be. It's like you can't 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.320 get more than a certain amount of items. I think 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:58.760 it's a whole thing, good gracious, all right, Well, you 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:01.880 know you can frame this within a prison because it's 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:04.880 your choice, but it really could be your last meal 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:10.080 like a hospital. I guess. I actually think it's very 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:14.080 interesting that you're making this location specific. Let's say it 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.720 was like you knew you were gonna you knew you 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:20.760 were going to die. Yeah, but you had enough time 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.919 that you could have whatever you want to eat, cooked 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:31.439 by whomever from wherever before you went. Mm hmm. But 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:33.760 I sort of want to hear the penitentiary version as well. 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.640 But like, tell me the dream version first. Okay, dream 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:42.760 version is I would have like a Thanksgiving feast like 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:45.480 we do on Sundays in England with the whole family 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:48.640 and didn't have the whole family there because I think 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:52.520 that's that's like the best. Sometimes the turkeys dry, but 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:59.200 I don't care. It's still tastes too lazy. What yeah, well, 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.440 just there's the base the turkey a tanney a bit more. 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:07.080 Next time turkey is notoriously dry. It's a notoriously difficult meat. 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:09.640 We try to inject it with the juices. You've seen 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:12.600 me with the syringe. It's a nightmare. I wouldn't cook 0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:17.840 it if it wasn't Thanksgiving. Yeah, still pointers, mom, and 0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:21.000 you should be writing us down. I love Okay, so Thanksgiving, 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:23.760 So Thanksgiving feast all like what we have on a Sunday, 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:27.920 which is usually roast chicken. Yeah, so like turkey, roast potatoes. 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:31.080 Auntie kids once they're amazing. I know yours aren't bad. 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:33.800 Anti kids are the best. Yes, she does make the 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:40.200 best one green means sweet potato, marshmallow mash pie. It's 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.760 all delicious. That's just that would be my last meal. 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:48.840 But what about pudding. Granny is apple crumble? Oh god, 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:53.720 she did make the best apple crumbell that is chef's kiss. 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:56.920 You know she used to when we were kids, Henry. 0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.879 We'd be driving along and she's suddenly like screeched the 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:02.720 car over to the side of the road, and she'd 0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:05.119 be like, those apples are just going to fall on 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.320 the ground and as somebody eat them, and we'd be like, 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:10.399