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Speaker 1: Comedy Saved Me. What happens when a musician decides that

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Speaker 1: making people laugh is just as important as making them move.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest proves that sometimes the best performances are the

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Speaker 1: ones that don't take themselves too seriously. As I'm watching,

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Speaker 1: my guest, Jeremy Devardi, is the frontman of Steel Beans,

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Speaker 1: a band that's as much about entertainment as it is

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Speaker 1: about music. And while Jeremy may not have a Netflix

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Speaker 1: comedy special yet, Jeremy brings a comedic energy to the

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Speaker 1: stage that transforms every show into something unpredictable and joyful.

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Speaker 1: And he's a performer who understands the connection happens when

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Speaker 1: you're willing to be playful and spontaneous, but most importantly,

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Speaker 1: completely yourself. Today we are talking about how humor shapes

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Speaker 1: his performance, the moments when laughter pulls him through, and

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Speaker 1: why sometimes the best medicine comes from a killer guitar riff.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Comedy Save Me. I'm Lynn Hoffman and this

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Speaker 1: is Jeremy de VARDI Jeremy from Steel Beans. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 2: That intro is puts a lot of pressure on me,

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Speaker 2: but I appreciate it. That's amazing. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I've already won articulated like that, but yeah, absolutely, Well

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Speaker 2: you're very special.

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Speaker 1: You are a man who's most known for a song

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Speaker 1: called Malotov Cocktail Lounge, which I just love rush, and

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Speaker 1: you once referred to yourself when you are completely solo

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Speaker 1: and playing every instrument yourself, which I have such mad

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Speaker 1: respect for. You are a self indulgent, arrogant, one man

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Speaker 1: band comedian. You do know I have a music podcast

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Speaker 1: as well. So this is a little confusing because we're

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Speaker 2: Ah. You know, yeah, I would say that's an apropos

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Speaker 2: description of what the solo show is for sure. But

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Speaker 2: I think it just comes down to people that some

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Speaker 2: case is It's like it's just my personality. Yeah, a

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Speaker 2: I'm like that in the van driving to the show.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's really special though, really special. And also

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Speaker 1: the fact that you're so I mean, you don't even

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Speaker 1: and people love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just it like half of the stuff, Like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I like to think I'm a you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm a funny person, but also with me, there's this

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Speaker 2: Like people will get the laugh and it's not even

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Speaker 2: the joke. It's just the fact that I happen to

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Speaker 2: what it's like to be in the band is the

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Speaker 2: band is constantly in some situation where like, you know,

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Speaker 2: the first take is funny, the tenth take it's not

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Speaker 2: what are we doing? Like people are sweating and going, okay,

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Speaker 2: we're doing this again, and I'm like yeah, and then

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Speaker 2: it becomes funny again because you're wearing like a child

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Speaker 2: of people doing something dangerous or illegal, or there's like

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Speaker 2: it's also you're gonna be doing like theater, performance arts.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes there's also some sketch comedy. They just show up

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Speaker 2: and then I put them through hell, and you can't

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Speaker 1: I love that, and any chance that you could do

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Speaker 1: I want to get into this more detailed with you.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you. Let's find out what my job will

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Speaker 1: be when we come back right after this with Jeremy

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Speaker 1: de Barti from steal Beans, right after this Comedy Saved Me.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Comedy Save Me, Jeremy de Barti. For people

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Speaker 1: who haven't experienced Steal Beans your incredible bands live, how

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Speaker 1: and what is the energy like not just from the

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Speaker 2: Audience for for almost twenty years. When I get up

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Speaker 2: But in my solo show, where I'm by myself, it's

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Speaker 2: from the internet and then finding out really fast, like, damn,

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Speaker 2: the dynamic I'm constantly playing with and I avoid toying

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Speaker 1: But if they feel like that you're seemingly bombing or

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Speaker 2: It's like watching somebody on a tightrope. You're so worried

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Speaker 2: He's going to drop a stick, he's going to do this.

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Speaker 2: But really I'm just I'm making it look harder than

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Speaker 2: on twenty years of stage time. I did these shows

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Speaker 2: First I went from playing to twenty people or one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what you're making me. You made me feel

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Speaker 1: and you also have a very playful energy about you

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine, because I haven't seen you live,

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Speaker 2: Well, I was banging on pots and pans, and my

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Speaker 2: I was like boom tat, boom tat. I was having

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Speaker 2: I would go through my grandma's closet and put on

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Speaker 1: You like making people happy and feel good? Is that

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Speaker 2: That that is one of the meanings in life if

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Speaker 2: But I have changed some people's lives in the local

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Speaker 1: Well, that's very very cool that you're not only you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I try not to soak in it too much

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Speaker 2: because I've just been sitting in a bedroom writing song

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Speaker 2: that when anybody messages me or like I met a

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Speaker 2: and sold his drums, and then he saw my video.

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Speaker 2: He started watching my videos and he said, I finally

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Speaker 2: just talking about it. But that's the craziest thing. You

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Speaker 2: you'll go out and somebody will hit you with that bomb.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's not an easy thing to take. I mean,

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Speaker 1: when someone tells you that, what do you even say?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I try not to tear up, and I

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Speaker 2: a heavy thing to say that. Man. You know, I

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Speaker 1: Steely Dan is one of my all time favorite bands,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Life is so silly, and no matter how hard

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Speaker 2: Life, absolutely really yeah. And I think that where I

430
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Speaker 2: rest in like the craft of songwriting, which is truly

431
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Speaker 2: my life. You know, I consider myself a writer before

432
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 2: anything else. I write songs every day, and the science

433
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: and the craft of that and the spiritual nature of

434
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 2: that is like I live for it. I'm like a

435
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: junkie for it's it's literally it can be problematic, But

436
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 2: I think that a comedian or a writer, the line

437
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 2: between these two forms of art is that you're figuring

438
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: yourself out all the time, and then you put her

439
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 2: under a glass case and you move on to the

440
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 2: next thing. And I'm finding out all the time that

441
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 2: the better I get at my craft, the more I

442
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: can articulate something that maybe I never vented, that was

443
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: from thirty years ago. And I think the comedy is

444
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 2: the same way. There's a certain vulnerability to it, all

445
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 2: that vulnerable vulnerability.

446
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Speaker 1: Nice job.

447
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm not usually I'm not usually awake at this hour.

448
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: That's why this is my seventh shot of espresso.

449
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: Well, that makes sense. Comedians usually are working late into

450
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: the night, especially musician comedians, you got a lot going on.

451
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: You don't just walk on stage. You got to bring

452
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,239
Speaker 1: all the instruments and the tech and the gear and

453
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Speaker 1: the aw the whole thing.

454
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Speaker 2: Oh, let me tell you, that's a lot. It's crazy.

455
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: It's crazy all these years. Like sometimes, the best idea.

456
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to discredit all the stuff I do

457
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: that I plan out and put a lot of work into,

458
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: but some of the things that people still bring up

459
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: the memorable moments of past shows was an idea that

460
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: I'm an hour late to the show I forgot I

461
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: even have one, or I'm driving there, I open the trunk,

462
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: I start to unload the gear, and I see a

463
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 2: mannequin head or rubber iguana, an all deflated birthday balloon,

464
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 2: and some a bag of novelty canoes. And in the

465
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 2: time that I've carried my stuff in, I go, I'm

466
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 2: going to bring the iguana out to the audience and

467
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: it's going to be his birthday. We'll have the birthday balloon,

468
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 2: and then I'll have everyone play Happy Birthday with those

469
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 2: cheap kazoos while petting it. And then I always go,

470
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need those kazoos back by the way, because

471
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: I got a AIDS clinic I do on Thursdays where

472
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: we use those or something that was that was the

473
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Speaker 2: thing I used to do.

474
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Speaker 1: But you just came up with that when you pulled

475
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: that out of the car as you're walking in every day.

476
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: Like I had some jumper cables, jumper cables in my

477
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: trunk and some mannequin head and I did a show

478
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 2: that like I have no setlist, a love of the

479
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: time in the solo show, and so I was like,

480
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hook the jumper cables up to the front

481
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: of the bass drum and then to this guy's head

482
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 2: and then at some point in the show improvise a

483
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: bit where I don't know. It's like, yeah, it's what

484
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: can I make out of what I have with me?

485
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: And I think that if you expand on that, that's

486
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: kind of the perspective of like, that's how I see

487
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: the world, is that you become an executive producer for

488
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: everything around you, every single thing in this room, every

489
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: human This is my world. You're just living in it,

490
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: and you're all in my play. It's like, what do

491
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 2: I decide is art? It's not just paint and a

492
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: palette and a canvas. It's like that iguana head, this

493
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 2: melody I've been kicking around, and a catch phrase I

494
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: learned on a construction site ten years ago. It's like,

495
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: all of these are all elements and odds to be combined

496
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 2: into something, and that's how abstract people should look at art.

497
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 2: But instead they're like, well, I got to watch a

498
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: how to video and I got a buy a guitar.

499
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: I gotta do open mics. It's like, no, you don't

500
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: just quit being inhibited and just fucking get weird. Do it?

501
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 2: Do it?

502
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: Get in touch with your weird side. Everyone has to

503
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: be a little bit weird.

504
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: You will be right back with more of the Comedy

505
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Speaker 3: Saved Me podcast. Welcome back to the Comedy Save Me Podcast.

506
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to change the subject a little too,

507
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: a little more serious. Can you think about maybe because

508
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: you seem so happy and fun loving, but I can't

509
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: imagine that there hasn't been strife in your life. There

510
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: is in everybody's life at one time or another. Is

511
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: can you think about a time in your life that

512
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: was a little bit difficult and how humor helped you

513
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: get through it, Or when you're going through something heavy,

514
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: like you know, how do you process it? Does it

515
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: through music? Is it through writing? Is it comedy? Is

516
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: it going for a bike ride?

517
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: Oh? I think like any American man, I shut it

518
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 2: down and not face it whatsoever. But that's where art

519
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: comes in, because ten years later I can make a

520
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: song about it. And as I'm getting older, I feel

521
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: more and more comfortable with talking about anything and kind

522
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: of venting, and I'll sit down at the piano and

523
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: make something and then when it's done, I'll go, man, like,

524
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: I can't believe I wrote that. Like I I think

525
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: the reality is is the way that my body works

526
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: is my defense mechanism is Like it's like self numbing

527
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 2: to a point where I may be still figuring out

528
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: how terrible my life actually was through writing songs about it.

529
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: You know. I think that's the thing is all of

530
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: my strength are built out of weaknesses, whether I realized

531
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: it or not. My parents split up when I was two,

532
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: so my inner voice is still intact from being a child.

533
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: Because I'd be off dancing to jungle Book or something,

534
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: listening to my inner voice and creating and making life fun.

535
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 2: I didn't realize what I was doing, but I was

536
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: creating this independence that it's still what I live by,

537
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: you know, and I've never lost, at least not in

538
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: the last ten years or so, because music and art

539
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: always guides me back.

540
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 3: You know.

541
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: It's a really roundabout long way to answer the question.

542
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: But you know, I look at a lot of people

543
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: I know and people that I see out there, and

544
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: I go, my life has been way harder than that guy,

545
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: and he sure complains a lot more. I just I

546
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: feel like I try not to talk about it because

547
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a downer, but it's you know,

548
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: people got to see the other side of the token,

549
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: like I'm such an optimist and I'm such a I

550
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: want to be happy because my shit has been so rough, honestly,

551
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: you know. And there's a lot of people that grew

552
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: up in a suburb in the middle of nowhere that

553
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: their life has been perfect. They all write the status

554
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: music because insand they want the pain. But me, man,

555
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: I want to write happy music. I've already I've already

556
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: seen sad shit, Like there's already enough sad music in

557
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: the world. So whenever I write something deep or emotional

558
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: or kind of sad ish, I wanted to have an

559
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: impact in a meaning that's that's not shallow like it

560
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: has to be. It has to be timeless in a

561
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: way that I can feel like. It's not a woozy

562
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: saying it. You know a lot of emotional music out there,

563
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: they're just woosies. And I want to write stuff like

564
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: I was sitting here in this room and I just

565
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: thought a few years ago, I thought, man, there's gonna

566
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: be a day where I die and my son is

567
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: left without me. And that just is like a paralyzing thought.

568
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: So you know, I wrote some songs in that mindset.

569
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: You would never know because they don't sound as sad

570
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: as that would imply. But that's the whole thing is

571
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: is finding you a way to put sugar on the

572
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: medicine of life. And that's where comedy brings all this

573
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: stuff together. It's like if you can't laugh or you

574
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: take stuff so seriously. I live like I could die

575
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: next week. So what am I gonna do? Save my money? No,

576
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy that guitar, I'm gonna buy that keyboard.

577
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna drive around with no real aim of where

578
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: I'm going, just to listen to music. And I think

579
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: that the only way to really live is to live

580
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: by that you know.

581
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Speaker 1: It's a great It's first of all, it's very selfless

582
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: the way that you attack writing songs. But I would

583
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: like to coin a new phrase with you. Maybe you

584
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: can use it the Steely Dan effect. You hear something

585
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: you think is so serious but you don't realize it,

586
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: or the opposite comedy and it's actually really telling the job.

587
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: Well, I think that it speaks volumes to the fact

588
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: that Steely Dan were masters of music and their craft

589
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: and of jazz, but as people they were silly. So

590
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: it's like, where does the personality peak through in the music?

591
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: What we go as far back as Cheech and Chong

592
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: and then Fire signed Theater and then for me in

593
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: the nineties in grade school, I was listening to the

594
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: Adam Sandler records were amazing. I just went and re

595
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 2: listened to They're All Gonna Laugh at You. Honestly, some

596
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: of those bit hit way harder. Now. The thing is,

597
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: there are people that write really heartfelt songs, but I'm

598
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: never I'm not always convinced that it's sincere and if

599
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: they take themselves really seriously, that's kind of a giveaway. Like, well,

600
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: I'll listen to Mark Lanagan and when it's a really deep,

601
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: profound emotional song. I really feel it, and I'm like,

602
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: I believe it. And when somebody's singing on stage, like

603
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: I like to know that guy's been through hell. You know,

604
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: I think there, you know what I mean? Like, I

605
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: think the emotional music, emotional music that's written by like

606
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: a diverse person, Like I think that the future. I

607
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: think the future of of man on Earth is going

608
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: to be a guy that can run a chainsaw and

609
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: kick your ass and is masculine, but it's also completely

610
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: emotionally like I feel you. Yes, the soft muscleheads. I

611
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: don't know what it is, but I've never felt more

612
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 2: in touch with that in my life. And it's like,

613
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: I'm an artsy fend me weirdo, but dude, I also

614
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: mill lawns and pick up a mower. The older I get,

615
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: the more comfortable I am with being masculine, it's like

616
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: that's okay, but never, but never, just don't be a dick,

617
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: you know.

618
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: No, it's you know what, You're so right? I think

619
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: it's like you're going at it from the opposite way,

620
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: but it makes perfect sense either way, because women do

621
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: need some type of depth in there, so that you

622
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: can have a conversation because we like to talk about

623
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: deep stuff, but we also want the guy who can

624
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 1: pull the chainsaw and go take care of business. So

625
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's a wonderful combination and funny enough. Now

626
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, it's actually okay to talk about

627
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: your feelings if you're a guy, and it's not a turnoff.

628
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: I don't think from women.

629
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: Not of the construction site. I think there's still maybe

630
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: a little behind out in the general world of man.

631
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: But I always live this dual life because that'd be

632
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: at home writing songs and like I'm practically shakes here

633
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: in my basement and I'm a I'm like a I've

634
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: been with like ten people in my life, and I've

635
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: always just been in relationships, and I'm like this romantic

636
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: I want to shove all this stuff on the counters

637
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: of the kitchen, shove that under into the cupboards, make

638
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: it look nice, and then go use my food stamps

639
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: to get like some kind of a pasta thing. And

640
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: then I'm like playing acoustic guitar, you know what I mean.

641
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: That's the life I'm I'm leading. But then I also

642
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: go to work on a construction job site. In a

643
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: flannel and I'm lifting this shit and you're like kind

644
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: of with the boys and everyone's really vulgar, and I

645
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: can connect with that. But there's also part of me

646
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: living this dual life where I'm like, yeah, I know

647
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: what you mean, but I don't at all, Like you know.

648
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: You have no idea, but you just but it looks

649
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: good and it relates. I mean, if people think that

650
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: you hear.

651
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: There's a point of man show where I'll connect and

652
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: then it falls off where it's just like kind of

653
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: you know, SARTs and woman and I thing something and

654
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: then I'm like, all right, that's but I grew up

655
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: with a single mom and and a little sister and

656
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: a you know, so it's like there's there's also that

657
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: side too, you know.

658
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: Well, what can I ask, what was the most ridiculous

659
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: thing that's ever happened during a Steel Beans show?

660
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: Oh?

661
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: Oh, you're rubbing your hands together. You've got a good one.

662
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: It's so it's so vast and nebulous. I honestly, god,

663
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: the most absurd thing to happen in my show is like,

664
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: what's the windiest wind at a hurricane or something? I Mean,

665
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 2: there's been some crazy stuff.

666
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: The wiest wind of a hurricane.

667
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: There's one time when this is not even that crazy,

668
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: but for the people that were there, it was. I

669
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 2: got a text in the middle of a show that

670
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 2: and by the way, this is like a small venue

671
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: where I get two three hours to do whatever I want,

672
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: so it's not like a thirty minute set whatever. But

673
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: I get a text that like, I thought that my

674
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: girlfriend was going into labor, and I go, I think

675
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: we're having the baby now. So the whole venue rushed

676
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: up and all grabbed my stuff and we all crammed

677
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 2: it into my little saturn ion. It's like drum set, keyboard,

678
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and now ruy thol over and I

679
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: went to the hospital and it was like a fault alarm.

680
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: Oh no, but I've also done here's the thing. He's

681
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: like people told me for years back in the day,

682
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: like kind of remind me of Andy Kaufman a little bit.

683
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

684
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: I didn't really see that at the time, so I

685
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: was like, huh, I guess thanks. I love Andy, but

686
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: I didn't see the connection. And now years later I

687
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: kind of get it. It's pretty in your face that

688
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: steeled beans or salmonella records, which are kind of like synonymous.

689
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 2: It really is such an inside joke that sometimes it's

690
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: only inside to me. And now I realize, like what

691
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: they meant by that. Like I've done shows where I

692
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: responded in the email. One time, h No, I'm not available.

693
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 2: This guy offered me a gig. I looked at the bill.

694
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: It was like Country America con artists, and I said,

695
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: I'm not available. But these guys staying in my house

696
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 2: from Nashville are a legit country duo. I'm sure they'd

697
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: love to do it. This is perfect. So then my

698
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: friend Zach and I was a great comedian a great songwriter.

699
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: We both went as these characters from Nashville and talked

700
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: in an accident. We came up with our whole backstore.

701
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: We wore our western best and we went in there

702
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: and like maintained it the entire night, telling everybody there

703
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: we're from Nashville, the owners of the play, whoever it was,

704
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: or like, well, thank you kindly, and it's called the

705
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 2: We called it the Runny Nose. Bros.

706
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: You are killing me. Did you come up with that

707
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: on the spot when the call came in and literally

708
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: went with it from that minute on.

709
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is insane. We carried this song the whole time,

710
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: and there's even a moment that we're talking to somebody,

711
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, yeah, I'm from down by wherever, and

712
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: we we looked up in a neighborhood, so we're like, yeah, yeah,

713
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: he's actually born in Bowling Green. But like we were

714
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: practicing our access three in the morning, we get into

715
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: his little tiny car and we close the doors and

716
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: we go and we're just dying because it's like we

717
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: just have this, you know. But it's always been something

718
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: like that. I'll call the baseball stadium and just make

719
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: some shit up and pretend I'm some other dude and go, yeah,

720
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: we really want to get this Steel Beans group in

721
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: here to just perform something in the center of the field.

722
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: It's like the inside joke is it's it's such an

723
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: onion layer. I do jokes all the time that are

724
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: relative to something we've been joking about in the van. Yeah,

725
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: I do this all the time, and I'll throw it

726
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: out there and I know that a couple people laugh

727
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: just because it's silly, but the band, they're getting it.

728
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: I'm like playing to them, and that happens all the time. Anyways,

729
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop talking about that.

730
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: No, it's awesome. I mean it's like, you know, that's

731
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: like a letterman. Uh. I was trying to figure out

732
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: was that a Letterman or Seinfeld thing? Where you can

733
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: bring it back like the initial joke, and then you

734
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: can bring it back around in the end too, and

735
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: everyone gets it.

736
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: Right, right. I think those call those those callbacks are great,

737
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: and throughout my solo show, I kind of do that

738
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: a lot. If somebody, if somebody does something that stands out,

739
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: or I'll do these I'll build a song from scratch

740
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: and I'll ask for people to call out the weirdest

741
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: thing they can think of, and they'll be like centaur, platypus,

742
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: tits tractor, and I go, what kind of song is it?

743
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: They'll go it's a reggae, it's a metal and I'll go, okay,

744
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: it's a reggae song. It turns into a metal soone

745
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: and it's about a centaur and a break and I'll

746
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 2: kind of like fire on these cylinders and hammer back

747
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: all these things they just said, and I'll even impress

748
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: myself if I can pull it off. But then forty

749
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: minutes later, I'll like bring it back around to the

750
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: centaur and tell a story about them or something. You know,

751
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 2: it's and the plan. It always feels like bonus points.

752
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: It's awesome. I mean, I've never heard did First of all,

753
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: can we just rewind real quick from that last question

754
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: I asked you. You said they called you to book you,

755
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: and you said, no, but I have a country band here.

756
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: And then did they know that was you coming to

757
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: the venue? Who booked you? Or did they think you

758
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: were the match fie band?

759
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: No, dude, it's always something like that with us. Let

760
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: me tell you. We just recently went on a tour

761
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: down the West Coast and I go, guys, I took

762
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: my bassis Sean and a new drummer we've worked with

763
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 2: West and I go, here's the thing. We're gonna wear

764
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: the reds of our dogs beetle suits every day, not

765
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: on stage, but on all of our off days. So

766
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: we drove fourteen hours to San Francisco from here. We're

767
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: wearing black to black tie and aviators walking into a

768
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: gas station in the middle of nowhere, and we kind

769
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: of look at each other and people are like, what

770
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: the who the fuck are these guys? So every single

771
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: day off days, travel days and even when we'd load

772
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: into the venue, we'd be dripping sweat, loading the shit.

773
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: But we're in our black ties and our matching black

774
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 2: dark aviators, just looking like secret service everywhere we went.

775
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: But then before we go on stage, I would change

776
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: into the other clothes so people like they couldn't figure

777
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: us out. Dude, I brought all my fake plants. So

778
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: I bring all these fake plants with us a lot

779
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: of the time, so they can see us coming in

780
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: with fake plants, a leaf blower suitcase. We're in the suits.

781
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: They're like, what the fuck band is playing tonight? You

782
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: know that is so awesome.

783
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine anyone listening to this who's not

784
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: waiting to find out when steel Beans is going to

785
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: be playing at a venue near them, because you just

786
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen next. I need to know.

787
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: Now two questions, and then I think I might let

788
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: you go. Now I have three more. But what do

789
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 1: you think music and comedy have in common at their core?

790
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 2: Well, of course, there are forms of expressing yourself, and

791
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: I think that there's something that it takes a law,

792
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: It takes a long time to really get good at it.

793
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: I see a lot of musicians or comedians kind of

794
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: learned the beats or the form and they can imitate

795
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: a song, but it takes a long time to get

796
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: good at it where it's like, oh, this is real,

797
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 2: this stands up there with the greats. You know. It's

798
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: like I see anything comedy a lot now too. Because

799
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: of the Internet. We have so many people getting videos

800
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: that are on stage and they kind of know the

801
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: timing and the phrasing, but they're writing just isn't there.

802
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: And I'd say the same for a lot of young

803
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: bands that bless their heart, Like I don't want to

804
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: discourage anybody, but there are a lot of bands that

805
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: I'll see and I'll go, all right, I really wish

806
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: these guys well. But you know what, go in your

807
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: basement for another five ten years and come back when

808
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 2: you're Hendrix. You know, that's the self awareness that a

809
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: lot of people are lacking, because it's that Dunning Fruger effect.

810
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: You don't realize how good you are because you're not

811
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: qualified to understand what the quality is, you know.

812
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: And how to even achieve it.

813
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the real correlation between comedy and

814
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 2: music is that you have to work on this a lot,

815
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: and you have to write all the time, you know,

816
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: like the old saying, and this is one of my

817
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: favorites is help me with this if you remember. But

818
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: it's like if I don't write for two days, I notice,

819
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: if I don't write for a week, the audience notice,

820
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: I'm messing that up. I believe it's Steve Martin. But

821
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 2: like I really think like that. It's like, you gotta

822
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: stay sharp and stay up on this. And I think

823
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 2: comedy is really hard because that's like my solo show.

824
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: I cannot practice it at home. I don't sit and

825
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: play drums and guitar at the same time. Ever, the

826
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: last time before this tour was almost two years ago.

827
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 2: I may do it here and there, yeah, but it's

828
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: never my goal because it's a show that relies on

829
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: having the people there. It's like trying to do a

830
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: stand up set in your bedroom. You can stand there

831
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: and practice the things, but you got to the room

832
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: and like in real time, kind of carry it a

833
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: little bit, make it, do it for yourself and stick

834
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 2: to what you like, but you also have to kind

835
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: of keep everybody in it. And it's this perfect, this

836
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 2: perfect balance between like selflessness and narcissism or something where

837
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: you got to believe in yourself so much. I know

838
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: I'm good, but then you also have to connect just

839
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: enough to keep people keep people in. But it's a

840
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: slippery slope to be in the arts because everybody is

841
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: really right on the edge of being called that. But yeah,

842
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: one thing that happened to me over the years, for sure,

843
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 2: and I mentioned it earlier, is that switching to the

844
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: solo show and getting a good reaction. I played to

845
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: empty rooms for so many years, I started getting a

846
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: little bit of that loathing for the audience, and so

847
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: by default I do these shows in the middle of

848
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: nowhere to pay my rent, like one hundred and fifty

849
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,479
Speaker 2: dollars for three hours at a bar in the middle

850
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: of the country, and so many people are just like

851
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: eating a burger, drinking, they're not even paying attention to

852
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: the music. That I kind of learned to like load

853
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 2: the audience and the audience of the enemy, and they're

854
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: the target. And so that became kind of like the

855
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: default of the show is kind of not trashing the audience,

856
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: but like I'm against them. They're they're the they're the enemy.

857
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 2: Until people are paying attention, there will be three people

858
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: over here that are paying attention. I start playing to

859
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: them and like talking them up, and I'm like celebrating them,

860
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: and then I'm just ripping like, Hey, I was fucking

861
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: guy over here.

862
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: And then the rest of the audience kind of pulls

863
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: in with, you know, when they go, oh, wait, something's

864
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: going on over here. You said narcissism. I think it's

865
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: just a hell you have to have a healthy ego. Yeah,

866
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: but I don't think you have. You don't have to

867
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: be a narcissist, but a healthy ego. And also what

868
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: else did you say? Oh? The enemy? Uh, what a

869
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: great idea. You know, if they're the enemy, then how

870
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: can you fail? Because that and you also have to

871
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: deal with all the things that are happening that are

872
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: unknowns at the same time.

873
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: Well, I think that, you know, Bill Hicks and George

874
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: Carlin two of my all time favorites. They kind of

875
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: displayed this for us in such a classy way that

876
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: like they clearly are exhausted with the human race and

877
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: they're just over it, yep. And they have such a

878
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: good way of painting that, and I like really connect

879
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 2: with that because I love people and I'm fascinated by them,

880
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: but like, god, you know, these days it's like a

881
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: comment section is what we'll like. I'll look at my

882
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: comments on Facebook and it'll be like fifty subtract subtract

883
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: fifty from the IQ of what the comments would be elsewhere.

884
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: Oh and it's like, oh my god. It's like, you

885
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: guys are the reason I go on stage, and my

886
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: default is ripping the audience. You know, and you deserve it.

887
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: The keyboard cowboys who are fearless because they're nameless and faceless. Ye,

888
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: in a world that can feel really really heavy, speaking

889
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: of which, because that really does add to it, which

890
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: is why I try to stay off social media as

891
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 1: much as possible, because I do believe it is really

892
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: the worst version of yourself. It's great for business, but

893
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: not for humans, for people I don't know, But in

894
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: a world that can feel really heavy, what role do

895
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: you think entertainers like you play? You know, people who

896
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: are deliberately You're deliberately going out to try to make

897
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: other people smile and heal.

898
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: You're you're sure on time, but you're hitting me with

899
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: these really profound questions that are I can't answer that

900
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 2: without giving deep But on a personal level, our role

901
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: is to fulfill our own journey to be the best

902
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 2: artist we can be, and that's the end of the story.

903
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: But when it comes to being public and our role

904
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: is to uplift people, and it's it's you know, I'd

905
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: love to make some money someday, but that's really not it.

906
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: I can make money a lot of ways. At the

907
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: end of the day. It's like, I want to be

908
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: so I want to be proud of myself and impress

909
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: myself by coming a long way and being good at

910
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 2: what I do. But I want I want to create something.

911
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: It's a tricky question because I make everything for myself,

912
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: but I know that there is an audience of like

913
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: minded people where that overlaps and they'll enjoy it. I

914
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: think that the role of the artists is the same

915
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: as it was in the medieval days of jestures and

916
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: muses or whatever. Is that I have my problems, you

917
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: have your problems, and I have these songs I worked

918
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: really hard on. And there's these business and all this

919
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: bullshit of the booking and the loading. But then once

920
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: I get on stage, or any band gets on stage,

921
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: you know, the people in the audience for a good

922
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: thirty minutes or an hour, they forget all their problems

923
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: and they shut them off, and you're the distraction. To you,

924
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: you're reminding them what life is really about. It's like

925
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: smiling like there's no tomorrow and having a good time.

926
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: And that's like, that's the deepest end of public performance

927
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 2: is that people got a babysitter, they went and sound parking,

928
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: they slept all the way into your place and did

929
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and then while you're on they can

930
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: forget about their problems if you're doing it right. And

931
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: I think that's the role of any performer.

932
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: If someone's going through a rough patch right now, what

933
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: would you tell them about the power of laughter? Go ahead?

934
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a game show all of a

935
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: sudden there on the East Coast.

936
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: Yes, you said go ahead, go ahead.

937
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: Good And I'm from Boston originally, so I'm surprised it didn't.

938
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: You know. I love Buffalo sixty six where goes one

939
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: two tree Tree, and now I love counting to Tree.

940
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: Remember to be able to laugh at yourself, you know,

941
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: it's like yep again. There are some moments where I'll

942
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: be like, I'll be committing to some premise that is

943
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: so ridiculous. And not worthwhile, or wearing something hideous and ridiculous,

944
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: and I'm dragging the band or the audience along with

945
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: me to make this big leap, and it's like I

946
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 2: could take it so seriously, but then at some point

947
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: I laugh with the audience laughs, and it's not even

948
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: because of the joke. It's because of how far I'm

949
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: trying to go to make this thing work. That is

950
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: just such such a long shot that's not really worth it.

951
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: And it's like being able to find the humor in

952
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: anything is That's always been one of the things for me,

953
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 2: is you don't you don't always know where the joke

954
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: is because sometime like I put on you know, like

955
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 2: for example, the silver spandex onesie the silver face paint

956
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 2: in that wig, like that's not that crazy where I

957
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: come from, Like infant, that's my go to when I

958
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: can't think of what to wear. I have those, and

959
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,479
Speaker 2: the silver is like a metallic powder and it takes

960
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: two minutes. I go, I don't know what to wear,

961
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: so all default to that, and I kind of forget

962
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: what I'm wearing, right, I'll forget that I'm even wearing that,

963
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: And I'm up there and I'm doing a drum solo

964
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: and a guitar solo at the same time, and then

965
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: when it sits over, then I'll make a joke and

966
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: then I'll remember what I'm wearing. And it's just layers

967
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 2: of not taking yourself seriously upon layers. It's like the

968
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: I take the craft of music really seriously, and I

969
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: take the uh in the face of music and and

970
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: all who stand before me. I want to create something

971
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: that stands up to that and honor the seriousness of

972
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: the craft. But I never take myself seriously. No. I mean,

973
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: I think I look pretty cool, but I'm not really trying. Well.

974
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: If you want to know what he looks like, go

975
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: to silvertone guitars dot com, because there's a picture of you.

976
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 2: Oh really in.

977
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: That outfit you're describing online there. Yeah, so you did

978
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: you didn't know?

979
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh thanks guys, it's silvertone.

980
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: No problem. Did Did comedy save you?

981
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah? Comedy has saved me, and it saves me

982
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 2: over and over again. If you can't laugh, then you're

983
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: down bad. You know. At this point it is really

984
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 2: hard to get me to physically laugh. I feel like

985
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 2: a stone, you know. I mean, I've just like seen

986
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 2: a lot or something, but it's got to really tickle

987
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: me in the right ways. I'll make little I'll make

988
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 2: a comedy sketch or a promo video for a show

989
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: that's funny. It doesn't physically make me laugh because I'm

990
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: experiencing my own thing, but as soon as I show

991
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 2: it to somebody else, I'll kind of laugh when they

992
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: laugh for some reason. It's like contagious like that. Yes,

993
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 2: it's strange about your own thing that you're creating, and

994
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 2: then like studying where people laugh and what they find

995
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: funny about. You know. I think that every comedian probably

996
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 2: suffers from that because you can't You can like be

997
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: aware like oh that's funny, but it doesn't like make

998
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: you laugh gut laugh, you.

999
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: Know, totally. I mean, And can I give you a

1000
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: quick example. My best friend Scott would tell me a

1001
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: story about something that happened to him in his childhood

1002
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: that was horrific with like his dad or his mom,

1003
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: and the way he would tell the story, I would

1004
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: burst out laughing in the end, and then he would laugh,

1005
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: but then he would go, no, but that was serious.

1006
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, if I love that, Like.

1007
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: You know, I was climbing up a tree to get

1008
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: away from my father, and you think this is funny.

1009
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: This scarred me for life.

1010
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: You know, that's the thing. That's the that's the key

1011
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: right there, is being able to laugh at all of

1012
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: that stuff. It's like, you know, everybody when they grow up,

1013
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: they reach a certain age where they take mushrooms and

1014
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: they think about everything their parents ever taught them, and

1015
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: they go my parents were literally like, I'm in my

1016
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 2: twenties and my parents had me what I was like

1017
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: me right now, like they hardly know what the fuck

1018
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: they were talking about. That's just shit that other people

1019
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: told them. And you kind of reevaluate everything you've been

1020
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 2: told and you're like, all right, half of the stuff

1021
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: is maybe not correct. So I'm gonna rebuild and be

1022
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: my own person and just kind of take the good

1023
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: and then you know, filter out the shit that maybe

1024
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: people were just making it up and going along.

1025
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, that that is, in a nutshell, what

1026
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: we're supposed to do, right, take all the best qualities

1027
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: and then leave all the worst. And there's no book written,

1028
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: so everyone's practicing.

1029
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: Most people do the opposite. They're like, okay, so I'm

1030
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 2: gonna drink heavy, and that is.

1031
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: Smoke copious amounts of marijuana. Oh my goodness, Jeremy DEBARTI

1032
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to let you go. Give me one more,

1033
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: one more question. What's next for steel beans? Where can

1034
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: people find you? See you experience you immerse themselves in

1035
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: all things.

1036
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 2: You well, you do yourself a favor. Follow me on

1037
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: all platforms. I'm mainly on an Instagram, but I'm trying

1038
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: to get people on the YouTube channel, YouTube dot com,

1039
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: slash Salmonella records, I'm on Twitch or whatever. I'm not

1040
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: really good at it. Get them on socials and see

1041
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: me do something over the next month before I smash

1042
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 2: my phone and get back on the road. You know,

1043
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: I just I just head on an album. I'm working

1044
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: on the next one. We're going to be getting back

1045
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: on the road soon, trying to get out to the

1046
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: UK and Europe and the East Coast as soon as possible.

1047
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: So really, right now, we're just waiting for the time

1048
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 2: where it's safe in my rear wheel drive van because

1049
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: in the you know, it's it's kind of random. The

1050
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: mountain passes will get snow, so I want to be safe.

1051
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.

1052
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: It's been such a pleasure. To have you here. Really,

1053
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: I mean, what a refreshing conversation with like just such

1054
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: a real human being, but who's also going out there

1055
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: and actually you're saving people with your comedy, not just yourself.

1056
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, I hope so yeah, and if that's okay,

1057
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 2: but I think anybody paying attention it'll find the right people.

1058
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 2: And yeah, man, thank you so much for having me.

1059
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: I will keep talking forever.

1060
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: So Jeremy Debarty, Steele Beans Comedy, save Me, Thank you

1061
00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: and all the best to you and yours.

1062
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: Thank you so much,