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Speaker 2: So obviously we're following what's going on in LA. We've
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Speaker 2: images from last night. Of course, the National Guard has
Speaker 2: been federalized. Extraordinary things going on there with regards to Trump,
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a lot to get into here, So
Speaker 2: bear with us as we go through what has happened
Speaker 2: and gotten us to this place, has gone and put
Speaker 2: these images of unrest. These are all coming from last
Speaker 2: night out of La County. Trump has for the first
Speaker 2: time since nineteen ninety two, federalized the National Guard, and
Speaker 2: this is the first time it's been federalized over the
Speaker 2: objections of the state governor, for the first time since
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty five. We're going to talk a lot about
Speaker 2: the legal pretext here.
Speaker 3: A lot of.
Speaker 2: Legal analysts say that this is illegal. Certainly Gavin Newsom
Speaker 2: is saying that this is illegal. But you can see
Speaker 2: here this is just from last night. There were a
Speaker 2: bunch of waymos that apparently they were like calling the
Speaker 2: weamos to the protest and then setting the weamos on fire.
Speaker 2: You know, the Mexican flags flying here. That has become,
Speaker 2: you know, something that a lot of the right have
Speaker 2: certainly seized upon. So wild images that you can see
Speaker 2: in the streets as protesters are clashing with this is
Speaker 2: largely LAPD. You though the National Guard was brought in yesterday,
Speaker 2: my understanding is the National Guard mostly stayed around the
Speaker 2: Federal building here. Obviously you can see these waimos set
Speaker 2: on fire as well. And so while we continue to
Speaker 2: roll these images, I can just explain a little.
Speaker 3: Bit of how we got to this place.
Speaker 2: So the Trump administration obviously they ran on mass deportation.
Speaker 2: They have really up the ante in recent days. Stephen
Speaker 2: Miller apparently went into an ICE meeting was braiding everybody
Speaker 2: for focusing on criminals and said, no, you need to
Speaker 2: go into the workplaces, go into the home depots. And
Speaker 2: that is exactly what ICE has been doing. So the
Speaker 2: initial protests kicked off at two locations in and near La.
Speaker 2: You had a garment manufacturer where there was an ongoing
Speaker 2: ICE rate, and you had a home depot where ICE
Speaker 2: was massing, and there was an expectation that there would
Speaker 2: be a raid. You know, you have migrants who hang
Speaker 2: out there in the parking lot looking.
Speaker 3: For work, et cetera.
Speaker 2: So protests begin and there's a you know, pretty aggressive
Speaker 2: response from the LAPD and you have you know, large
Speaker 2: tensions in the community and you have people that begin
Speaker 2: to you know, throw rocks back and it just escalates
Speaker 2: from here.
Speaker 3: Just watch this one clip.
Speaker 2: This is a reporter for Australian News out and crazy
Speaker 2: footage here you see one of the cops turned directly
Speaker 2: to her and fire a rubber bullet that hits her directly.
Speaker 2: So this is in any case, some of what's going on.
Speaker 2: So after the first night of protests, Trump decides that
Speaker 2: he is going to send in the National Guard. And
Speaker 2: the first indicasion we got of this, actually saga was
Speaker 2: Tom Holman went on before any sort of an announcement
Speaker 2: had been made and indicated that this was going to happen.
Speaker 2: And then we in fact got this memo from Trump
Speaker 2: saying exactly what he was going to do. We can
Speaker 2: put a two up on the screen here, guys. This
Speaker 2: is the memo from the White House which calls for
Speaker 2: bringing in the National Guard. He says, in recent days,
Speaker 2: violent mobs have attacked ice officers and federal law enforcement
Speaker 2: agents carrying out basic deportation operations in La California. These
Speaker 2: operations are essential to halting and reversing the invasion of
Speaker 2: legal criminals in the US, and the wake of this violence,
Speaker 2: California's feckless Democrat leaders have completely abdigated their responsibility to
Speaker 2: protect their citizens. That's why President Trump has signed a
Speaker 2: presidential memorandum deploying two thousand National guardsmen to address the
Speaker 2: lawlessness that has been allowed to fester. The Trump administration
Speaker 2: has a zero tolerance policy for criminal behavior and violence,
Speaker 2: especially when that violence is aimed at law enforcement officers
Speaker 2: trying to do their jobs. These criminals will be arrested,
Speaker 2: swiftly brought to justice. Commander and Chief will ensure the
Speaker 2: laws of the US are executed fully and completely assigned
Speaker 2: by Caroline Levitt, White House Press Secretary. Now, notably, he
Speaker 2: did not actually invoke the Insurrection Act, which would give
Speaker 2: sort of broader legal justification for using the military against civilians.
Speaker 2: Goes without saying, these are extraordinary and unusual actions that
Speaker 2: are being taken. But instead of invoking the Insurrection Act,
Speaker 2: he used something called Title ten authority. Now, the planeface
Speaker 2: reading of this appears to require that the governor of
Speaker 2: the state request or at least consent to the federalizing
Speaker 2: of National Guard troops under Title ten. Again, the last
Speaker 2: time that National Guard troops were federalized with the consent
Speaker 2: of the California governor was in nineteen ninety two to
Speaker 2: deal with the La riots. You had dozens of people
Speaker 2: who were killed, billion dollars in property damage. That's the
Speaker 2: last time that National Guard troops were federalized. The last
Speaker 2: time that they were federalized over the objection of the
Speaker 2: state leadership was nineteen sixty five. This was under LBJ
Speaker 2: to deal with in Caalctor in southern state that did
Speaker 2: not want to desegregate. So that's the level that we're
Speaker 2: talking about here. In terms of actions, Trump got asked
Speaker 2: what he planned and whether he was going to invoke
Speaker 2: the Insurrection Act. Let's go ahead and take a listen
Speaker 2: to a little bit of what he had to say
Speaker 2: here an interviews.
Speaker 3: Don't plan to invote Indirection Act. You planned to send
Speaker 3: troops a lot of.
Speaker 2: If you're not planning to vote back Insurrection Act, you
Speaker 2: still plan to send troops.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna have troops everywhere. We're not going to
Speaker 1: let this.
Speaker 6: Happen to our country.
Speaker 1: We're not going to let our country before to bark
Speaker 1: like it was a divide and this autopen.
Speaker 3: But the bar for sending marines, the bar what I
Speaker 3: think it is.
Speaker 6: I mean, if we see danger to our country and
Speaker 6: to our citizens, and we'll be.
Speaker 1: Very very strong in terms of law and order. It's
Speaker 1: about law and order.
Speaker 6: Secretary, We're gonna see what we need we'll send whatever
Speaker 6: we need to make sure of this.
Speaker 3: Law and order.
Speaker 2: And so you hear him. There troops everywhere, and we'll
Speaker 2: see with regard to the Insurrection Act and the Marines,
Speaker 2: this was the other piece. We can put a go
Speaker 2: ahead and skip ahead to A seven and we'll just
Speaker 2: lay this piece out and then I'll get Sager's reaction
Speaker 2: here Pete Hagsath floating that they could get the Marines involved.
Speaker 2: He says the violent mob assaults on ice in federal
Speaker 2: law enforcement designed to prevent the removal of criminal, illegal
Speaker 2: aliens from our soil. Under present Trump, violence and destruction
Speaker 2: will not be tolerated. The Department of Defense is mobilizing
Speaker 2: the National Guard immediately, and if my continues, active duty
Speaker 2: Marines at Camp Pendleton will also be mobilized.
Speaker 3: They are on high alert.
Speaker 2: Yesterday evening, CNN reported that there were a number of
Speaker 2: Marines indeed, who were prepared to deploy. Let's go ahead, guys,
Speaker 2: and play a seven B.
Speaker 5: I also want to ask you about some breaking news
Speaker 5: that we're just getting in. This is brand new into
Speaker 5: our newsroom that the US Northern Command is saying that
Speaker 5: approximately five hundred active duty Marines are quote prepared to deploy,
Speaker 5: in their words, as unrest in Los Angeles continues. This
Speaker 5: is after, of course, the Secretary of Defense Pete Hagseth
Speaker 5: had mentioned this.
Speaker 3: Is that necessary at this point?
Speaker 2: No, I'm going to be I mean, not operationally, it's
Speaker 2: not necessary.
Speaker 3: There may be other reasons for it. All right, So
Speaker 3: there you go.
Speaker 2: So we've also we'll get into in a moment some
Speaker 2: of the legal analysis the democratic response. But just pause
Speaker 2: for a second and give you a chance to react.
Speaker 1: Sure. Actually, you know, I don't usually do this, but
Speaker 1: the New York Times actually had some pretty good analysis
Speaker 1: of it this morning. They said Trump jumps at a
Speaker 1: chance for confrontation California immigration. The situation has all the
Speaker 1: elements that the President's seeks to show down with the
Speaker 1: top political rival and a deep blue state over an
Speaker 1: issue court to the agenda. And I think that's probably
Speaker 1: the best way to look at it. I mean, one
Speaker 1: of the things that you laid out there was that
Speaker 1: past reporting about Stephen Miller really pressuring workplace raids as
Speaker 1: opposed to criminal raids. That was something that immediately followed
Speaker 1: the reporting in Los Angeles. Los Angeles and New York
Speaker 1: City are the two of the top targets from ICE.
Speaker 1: I believe Los Angeles in particular sanctuary city, one that
Speaker 1: has long kind of you know, held itself up against
Speaker 1: immigration enforcement. That leads to some of the protests there.
Speaker 1: What does a paramount I believe California. So then you
Speaker 1: have the initial kickoff. I mean, my own personal like
Speaker 1: analysis of it is like it doesn't didn't need didn't
Speaker 1: seem particularly like necessary to send the National Garden because look,
Speaker 1: I don't think this is like BLM was. First of all,
Speaker 1: this is like a lot more protests, a lot more
Speaker 1: property damage, a lot more like violence. But even beyond that,
Speaker 1: there was genuine like reluctance to use police forces, and
Speaker 1: a lot of these blue cities LAPD looks pretty ready
Speaker 1: to rock and roll, you know. From riving, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they seem to be okay. But I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of it really is just downstream of BLM. Reducks for
Speaker 1: a lot of people on the American right. And also,
Speaker 1: I mean we have to acknowledge it, like Trump is
Speaker 1: in a relatively precarious political position, and this is an
Speaker 1: issue which we'll talk about tomorrow. Some of his polling
Speaker 1: and all that immigration remains one of his number one
Speaker 1: core areas. You've got some of those images that you
Speaker 1: were talking about of burning cars, Mexican flags. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think it takes the political genius to say
Speaker 1: this is dramatically unpopular. I think in general, what America
Speaker 1: seems to be sensitive to is who is the more
Speaker 1: chaotic element. And we talked about this before. I think
Speaker 1: up until this point, you could very easily assume that
Speaker 1: the Trump administration was the more chaotic actor in immigration.
Speaker 1: With the Kilmar Abrego Garcia case, which you're going to
Speaker 1: talk about a little bit later in the show, we had,
Speaker 1: you know, Elsa Salvador, some of these extraordinary actions and
Speaker 1: all this. But in particular, what's happened here is when
Speaker 1: you see a flip and it goes into rioting into violence,
Speaker 1: and then you see that law enforcement can seem to
Speaker 1: have like a moral upper hand, it becomes a lot
Speaker 1: more dicey. And so that is something that the Trump administration.
Speaker 1: Part of the reason I think that they wanted an
Speaker 1: image like this is they really are getting I think
Speaker 1: a lot of what they want. They're getting the Mexican flags,
Speaker 1: they're getting the burning in the streets. They're regardless of
Speaker 1: whether you think, you know, Newsome and Karen Bass are
Speaker 1: being feckless or not. A lot of people in the
Speaker 1: Upper Midwest and some of the swing state areas they're
Speaker 1: gonna think that. I mean, I also would be remiss
Speaker 1: if I didn't say I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: in the city of Los Angeles, and they did. A
Speaker 1: lot of them were texting me and being like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: if you are covering this, like, please just know that
Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine percent of us are living our
Speaker 1: lives and like downtown out LA is a place that
Speaker 1: like none of us even go. So they're like, just
Speaker 1: so you're all aware. And you know, I always think
Speaker 1: that's important to say, like it's like the entire city
Speaker 1: is not on fire or anything like. This is not
Speaker 1: Rodney King. In fact, May Day parades are always there's
Speaker 1: always Mexican flags flying and in La.
Speaker 3: You know, it sounds like people are so concerned about
Speaker 3: foreign flags.
Speaker 1: Now okay, sure, yeah, I mean listen, should an Israeli
Speaker 1: flag fly in America?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Should ah?
Speaker 4: What it?
Speaker 1: Should an Israeli flag fly in America? In my opinion, No,
Speaker 1: you should a Mexican flag fly in this Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's a little guys. I mean, I will say,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know really why these people are
Speaker 1: like they're like addicted to doing some of the most
Speaker 1: unpopular things possible. I mean, if you saw, you know,
Speaker 1: if you saw some of the initial Floydian response, like
Speaker 1: in the early days of Floyd and I'm talking about
Speaker 1: before the Minneapolis police precinct and all that was burned
Speaker 1: down and people were peacefully marching in the street. That's
Speaker 1: very difficult, you know, for people to be able to
Speaker 1: mobilize against. And this is now entering a situation which
Speaker 1: I think broadly there is a consensus they're like, this
Speaker 1: is I think pretty strong footing for Donald Trump. We
Speaker 1: will see. Of course things are very different though, you know,
Speaker 1: from that time previously. But by and large, I mean,
Speaker 1: we should make some of it because it is extraordinary,
Speaker 1: the threat of the ability to have active duty shouldiers
Speaker 1: the National Guards at two thousand bus. I don't want
Speaker 1: to overplay it because there's a lot of people on
Speaker 1: the Oh my god, this is bl I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is not even remote. Yeah, the same this is
Speaker 1: a relatively you know, thousands of people, Yes, but we're
Speaker 1: not talking about millions. We're not talking about contagion, you know,
Speaker 1: spread across the entire city or any of that, And
Speaker 1: so I do think it's important to contextualize it as well.
Speaker 1: Like Los Angeles itself, it's mostly fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think all I agree with most of that.
Speaker 2: What I will say is, I mean, to me number one,
Speaker 2: like Trump was looking for a pretext to have this
Speaker 2: sort of militarized response for basically his entire ministry. I mean,
Speaker 2: in day one he signed inn executive order that we
Speaker 2: covered here of like hey, will you study whether I
Speaker 2: should invoke the Insurrection Act.
Speaker 3: So he's been looking for a pretext.
Speaker 2: We know last time around he wanted to he wanted
Speaker 2: to shoot protesters in the knees, and I think it
Speaker 2: was Esper who was like, you can't do that. Esper
Speaker 2: and people like that are no longer around him. And
Speaker 2: to your point, I think the what the right and
Speaker 2: certainly Trump and his people took from the first administration
Speaker 2: was we didn't do go far enough, like we weren't wild.
Speaker 2: And whether it's with the you know, the like crackdown
Speaker 2: on dissent, or the aggressive response to protests, or the
Speaker 2: even the economic regime with the tariffs, all of these
Speaker 2: sorts of things. They took all the guardrails off, and
Speaker 2: so there is not going to be a Mark Esper
Speaker 2: in place now to say, hey, we shouldn't. You can't
Speaker 2: federalize the National Guard over the objections of the governor
Speaker 2: of California. That's not something that is legal or permissible.
Speaker 2: And you know, to turn troops on American citizens like
Speaker 2: that is an extraordinary thing. So you know, to me,
Speaker 2: the big picture is this is an authoritarian guy. I
Speaker 2: think you're right to say that. I think he feels
Speaker 2: a little politically tenuous now, whereas support even on his
Speaker 2: best issue, which is immigration, has slipped significantly. It's still
Speaker 2: where he does the best, but it slips significantly, and
Speaker 2: they were looking.
Speaker 3: For a reason to take exactly this sort of action.
Speaker 2: I also will say, I mean, when you have this
Speaker 2: kind of chaos in the streets, it is exactly the
Speaker 2: sort of thing that and somebody with these authoritarian tendencies
Speaker 2: will seize on to hey, let's expand that Palentier database.
Speaker 2: Hey let's normalize having the military in the streets for
Speaker 2: domestic law enforcement.
Speaker 3: And so, you know, for me, that's the most important point.
Speaker 2: But I also agree with you, like the Mexican flag
Speaker 2: on the burning weimo is such a terrible image optically
Speaker 2: that I'm like, are.
Speaker 3: These actually sense?
Speaker 2: Like you have to ask the quite because it plays
Speaker 2: into their hands so perfectly. It is exactly the kind
Speaker 2: of images that they want to get out, you know,
Speaker 2: that they want to put out to the public.
Speaker 3: How the public perceives all of this, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not going to speculate, because I do think that there
Speaker 2: is a sense that Trump is stoking this, that he
Speaker 2: wants this, that you know, La was doing fine, actually
Speaker 2: violent crime and these sorts of things were like way
Speaker 2: down year over year, was doing okay, There was not
Speaker 2: rioting in the streets before he starts to take extraordinary actions,
Speaker 2: both with ice and then bringing in the National Guard.
Speaker 2: How the public will sort through all of this, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but to me, those are the most significant pieces,
Speaker 2: And especially when you're floating things like I'm gonna bring
Speaker 2: in the Marines, I mean, that is complete. That is
Speaker 2: so unhinged and crazy that is hard to wrap.
Speaker 1: Your head around that if they haven't done it yet,
Speaker 1: is that they Like I said, whoever, seems like the
Speaker 1: crazier party is going to get a lot of the blame.
Speaker 1: And I think the Marines. I mean, that is a
Speaker 1: genuinely extraordinary step. Two thousand. Look, I mean, we can
Speaker 1: contextualize it is pretty insane that, you know, for the
Speaker 1: first time since nineteen sixty five, we're talking about Selma, Alabama,
Speaker 1: that a National Guard has been mobilized without a governor's action. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's also two thousand troops. These are also people not
Speaker 1: out in the streets. These are people who are around
Speaker 1: like VA facilities and federal buildings. In fact, from what
Speaker 1: I've seen, I believe they've only fired like tear gas
Speaker 1: outside of that. National Guards are the federal federal building.
Speaker 1: It's mostly la Almost all of the really chaotic images
Speaker 1: people are watching, that's LAPD. This is like a support mission.
Speaker 1: This is LAPD and I believe in some cases the
Speaker 1: Department of Homeland Security. So we'll see how things progress today.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm curious actually to see how the protesters
Speaker 1: on the ground in Los Angeles and perhaps even leaders
Speaker 1: of these protest movements and all of this are contextualizing it,
Speaker 1: because from my perspective, it has been kind of interesting
Speaker 1: to watch. How I mean, I think last time around,
Speaker 1: like all the memes around mostly peaceful and riot is
Speaker 1: the voice of the unheard and all that there was
Speaker 1: like a justification of genuine violence and looting from the
Speaker 1: very top of the democratic establishment and the media. This
Speaker 1: time around, this is just not the case. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you're you know, you're criticizing the Mexican flight.
Speaker 1: Most people are most people are like, what are you
Speaker 1: guys doing here?
Speaker 2: And so in the certain I don't have a morality
Speaker 2: issue with it, but I think it's optically.
Speaker 1: But that's but I'm saying, las timerun they wouldn't even
Speaker 1: admit that last time around. They're like, they wouldn't even admit, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you shouldn't loot a Mark Jacob's store, right,
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, actually it's fine because property damage is
Speaker 1: not as bad as George Floyd or whatever. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't hear any of that this time around. I
Speaker 1: don't see you know, even the left lunatic immigration people
Speaker 1: on TV being like, actually, this is totally justified. I
Speaker 1: think you see the stray accounts there here there on Twitter,
Speaker 1: but you know, a lot of the acab energy and
Speaker 1: all that, it just it just seems very online and
Speaker 1: not as enshrined in the mainstream. There's also a big
Speaker 1: difference from twenty twenty where look, I mean everyone can
Speaker 1: acknowledge there's been a lot of scientific research on this.
Speaker 1: Part of the reason the protests were as big as
Speaker 1: they were is a lot of people were locked in
Speaker 1: their houses and they were staring at a screen. There
Speaker 1: was like a mass psychosis that took over the entire country.
Speaker 1: We could debate, you know, all of that. I've done
Speaker 1: plenty here, but that's not the case right now. It's
Speaker 1: what is it June something? You know, it's summer. You know,
Speaker 1: people are living their lives like broadly, and while people
Speaker 1: are paying attention to the news. I think people are
Speaker 1: still upset about the tariffs. That's one of the things
Speaker 1: I think, really, I don't think we fully internalized how
Speaker 1: much that tariff forty five day period actually costs Trump
Speaker 1: in terms of the confidence of the American people and
Speaker 1: a lot of some of the stress and other things
Speaker 1: that put we're on businesses and all that, you know,
Speaker 1: just even my own personal life and being able to
Speaker 1: talk to people. It's the number one thing I hear
Speaker 1: about the way that the tariffs disrupt and it's not
Speaker 1: even about cost increase. It was my job did this.
Speaker 1: We were worried about this. You cost people, you know,
Speaker 1: for real, this is a little bit different. And so anyways,
Speaker 1: watching it closely, obviously it is most an impactful story
Speaker 1: for how the Trump administration wants to deal with it.
Speaker 1: It's also, let's be honest, it's a message to the
Speaker 1: entire country, to New York City, to Chicago, to you know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of any other big blue city. It's a
Speaker 1: message to them. It's like, if you don't get this
Speaker 1: shit under control very quickly, you will have the guard
Speaker 1: federalized in your state immediately. And so in a sense,
Speaker 1: it is more of a peremptory action from what I
Speaker 1: can see. And also, like I said at the beginning,
Speaker 1: Trump is on precarious political fo this is not a
Speaker 1: good time for him. This is probably the best possible
Speaker 1: thing that could have happened for him.
Speaker 2: When he yes, the more that this is what I've
Speaker 2: said before, the more his political standing slips, the more
Speaker 2: he's going to resort to increasingly authoritarian tactics.
Speaker 3: And I think this is part and parcel with that.
Speaker 2: And you have to put it in the broader context
Speaker 2: of all of the actions that Trump has taken in office,
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, trying to bring the media organizations
Speaker 2: to heal, whether it's the student protester crackdown, whether it's
Speaker 2: the you know, the Pallenteer surveillance database, all of these
Speaker 2: actions that he has taken in order to claim control,
Speaker 2: even the tariffs, you know, tariffs are put into place
Speaker 2: under this claim that there is some sort of national
Speaker 2: emergency something that the course are now looking at very skeptically.
Speaker 2: But all of these things are about crushing dissent, consolidating control,
Speaker 2: and so yes, they are going to take any pretext
Speaker 2: that they can to further those goals. I think you're
Speaker 2: absolutely right that this is a you know, warning to
Speaker 2: not only to states or localities, it's also a warning
Speaker 2: to protesters. You know, we have had and not just
Speaker 2: pro Palestine protesters, like anyone who will protest this administration.
Speaker 3: We've had.
Speaker 2: His counter terrors are go on TV and say, hey,
Speaker 2: if you don't like Tesla's now, that one may be changing.
Speaker 2: Now you'll be able to It's okay to let not
Speaker 2: like Tesla's now. I got jel freedom again.
Speaker 1: That those I bought this before Elon went crazy things,
Speaker 1: I was like surging in Alabama. Yeah, right, I would
Speaker 1: love to see Amazon sales data on who's buying those.
Speaker 3: Who's buying those.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, Trump may be sticking one of those Tesla
Speaker 2: outside the White House. But in any case, so you
Speaker 2: have the counter terrors are who floated. You know, if
Speaker 2: you're a domestic terrorist, if you heard of Tesla, you're
Speaker 2: a domestic terrorist. If you participate in like the hands
Speaker 2: off protests, your domestic terror. Certainly if you are propeller
Speaker 2: sign and so they will use anything they can to
Speaker 2: crush descent and claim power. The fact that it's Gavin
Speaker 2: Newsom that only fuels the fire. There was some you know,
Speaker 2: indications that there's been a back and forth, and I
Speaker 2: think this is part of the context in.
Speaker 3: The background here as well.
Speaker 2: Trump is preparing to strip a lot of federal funding
Speaker 2: from the state of California, and Gavin Newsom said something
Speaker 2: in return basically like, hey, you should keep in mind
Speaker 2: that we are a mass net contributor to taxes. We
Speaker 2: put in way more federal taxes then we get back,
Speaker 2: and maybe we should reconsider that relationship.
Speaker 3: And it's you know, just shortly on.
Speaker 2: The heels of him making those comments that this you know,
Speaker 2: extraordinary action is taken by Trump, which again I just
Speaker 2: want people to think about the comparison between these protests,
Speaker 2: which are really pretty especially Day one. You know, now
Speaker 2: we got cars wearing whatever after the national garget brought in,
Speaker 2: which I think just heightened the tension and escalated the chaos.
Speaker 2: But in any case, these are fairly run of the
Speaker 2: mill protest Like this was nothing. The LAPD with their
Speaker 2: seven thousand and nine thousand or however many cops they
Speaker 2: have were unable to handle. Compare that to the LA riots, Right,
Speaker 2: that was crazy. I mean, there is no comparison here.
Speaker 2: You had sixty plus people who were killed, who were
Speaker 2: shot dead, You had I mean whole neighborhood's businesses looted
Speaker 2: a billion dollars in nineteen ninety two dollars in property damage.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was that was a very different situation.
Speaker 2: And it's also a very different situation from nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: five when you have Southern states saying we are not
Speaker 2: going to desegregate, an open defiance of the federal government.
Speaker 3: So, you know, in terms of the the legal standing here,
Speaker 3: like I said.
Speaker 2: Before, it is noteworthy he hasn't invoked the Insurrection Act,
Speaker 2: which actually came as a surprise everyone sort of assumed
Speaker 2: that was what he do because that would allow him
Speaker 2: the most expansive powers. Instead, they use this Title ten authority,
Speaker 2: which seems to you know, the legal justification if you
Speaker 2: read between the lines on the you know, the the
Speaker 2: legal analyzes that I've been reading, would seem to indicate
Speaker 2: that they might might be able to get away with
Speaker 2: this limited support role. And you know, but even that
Speaker 2: to do it without the governor's consent. Gavin Newsom is clearly,
Speaker 2: he has stated clearly he believes that it's illegal, and
Speaker 2: we could put a five B up on the screen here.
Speaker 2: Let's get a bit of his response. He has formally
Speaker 2: requested they rescind their unlawful deployment of troops in La County,
Speaker 2: returned them to my command. He says, we didn't have
Speaker 2: a problem until Trump got involved, as a serious breach
Speaker 2: of state sovereignty, inflaming tensions while pulling resources from where
Speaker 2: they're actually needed. Rescind the order, return control to California.
Speaker 2: I think this is probably the first step before he
Speaker 2: actively files suit in order to try to force the
Speaker 2: courts to require this recision of this order, which he
Speaker 2: calls unlawful and many many scholars degree is unlawful.
Speaker 3: Let's put a five up on the screen.
Speaker 2: This was his kind of initial reaction and has been
Speaker 2: the tone that he's been striking. He says, the federal
Speaker 2: government is moving to take over the California National Guard
Speaker 2: and deploy two thousand soldiers. That move is purposely inflammatory.
Speaker 2: We'll only escalate tensions. LA authorities are able to access
Speaker 2: law enforcement assistance at a moment's notice. We're in close coordination.
Speaker 2: The Guard has been admirable serving LA throughout recovery. This
Speaker 2: is the wrong mission and will erode public trust. And
Speaker 2: Tom Holman has been threatening Gavin Newsom and Karen Bassi
Speaker 2: is the beyar of LA with potential arrests. So Gavin
Speaker 2: got asked about this yesterday and here's what he had
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 4: Acts has been here ten years. The fear, the horror,
Speaker 4: the hell is this guy come after me?
Speaker 1: Arrest me.
Speaker 4: Let's just get it over with. Tough guy. You know,
Speaker 4: I don't give a damn, but I care about my community.
Speaker 4: I care about this community. The hell are they doing?
Speaker 4: These guys need to grow up, They need to stop,
Speaker 4: and we need to push back. And I'm sorry to
Speaker 4: be so clear, but that kind of bloviating is exhausting.
Speaker 4: So Tom, arrest me, Let's go.
Speaker 3: So he says, arrest me, let's go. So you know, he's.
Speaker 2: Certainly coming out very strongly in terms of his rhetoric
Speaker 2: and pushing back against this. And like I said, I
Speaker 2: think the letter. That letter is significant because it probably
Speaker 2: is step one before he officially files suit to try
Speaker 2: to get court to strike this.
Speaker 1: Yes, so we'll see. I mean, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of it is. It's interesting even also in terms of
Speaker 1: the way that they're responding because their response, like I said,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is part of where I do see
Speaker 1: democratic leaders acting very differently. They're like, hey, we have
Speaker 1: all the resources to handle this, right, They're like, we
Speaker 1: are ready to roll. And again, I mean, look, you
Speaker 1: can call Karen Bass woke and all. I mean think
Speaker 1: she has actually been a terrible mayor when we were
Speaker 1: talking about the LA fires. But in this case, I
Speaker 1: mean I have not yet seen evidence or anything like
Speaker 1: that that she's like, tell me the LAPD to stand
Speaker 1: down or not to enforce the law. I mean, we
Speaker 1: don't want to downplay it. You shouldn't be people throwing
Speaker 1: rocks at federal agents. It's like not normal, it's not
Speaker 1: good and so that's something that is going to be happening.
Speaker 1: It's going to of course invite a response. But yeah, broadly,
Speaker 1: this is a clash of big political forces, and you know,
Speaker 1: we should contextualize it certainly, you know, in terms of
Speaker 1: the situation, which people are hyper focused on that, and
Speaker 1: then also in the broader picture, like you're saying about
Speaker 1: what this really means what with the Trump administration and
Speaker 1: its view of power. I do think it's very interesting
Speaker 1: they didn't do the Insurrection Act, and I mean there's
Speaker 1: a couple of things that we can look to and
Speaker 1: say that the Trump administration, within their review, is trying
Speaker 1: to appear more reasonable like this time around. This may
Speaker 1: sound crazy to somebody like you, but think about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, National Guard is not National two thousand
Speaker 1: National Guard, but it is not the Insurrection Act. It's
Speaker 1: not you know, we're threatening all these things we got
Speaker 1: later on the show kill Marbrigo Garcia is back in
Speaker 1: the United States. I mean, I don't think anybody who
Speaker 1: was said that was going to happen twenty days whenever
Speaker 1: I went on leave. What did we all say, It's
Speaker 1: never going to hapen? They, I think, don't we have
Speaker 1: tape just like that's not going they buckled right like
Speaker 1: eventually they did buckle to the court. Uh, they've got
Speaker 1: they were taken L after L right now at the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, you know, with the or in the court
Speaker 1: system as well, like they have got. They're on the
Speaker 1: back foot a little bit. And they're not stupid either
Speaker 1: to see also, which we're about to talk about with
Speaker 1: Doze and with Elon, that cost them a lot of
Speaker 1: political capital between Dosee and tariffs. They have serious problems. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to downplay you know, what the future
Speaker 1: and all of this will look like. But you know,
Speaker 1: in a sense like that, I can see that there
Speaker 1: is a calibration within their worldview for what is happening
Speaker 1: right now. And while yes there's testing of the waters
Speaker 1: and things, I think that people are also there, people
Speaker 1: in the White House and all of that are There's
Speaker 1: there's a tug, you know, war between the Stephen Miller
Speaker 1: and then also between people who are looking few you know,
Speaker 1: at the future for the midterms. Let's not forget we
Speaker 1: don't have the show. This tax bill is about the pass.
Speaker 1: No matter what you think of the tax bill, I mean,
Speaker 1: anytime you give what is it permanent tax cuts to
Speaker 1: the wealthiest people in the United States. Effectively, what they're
Speaker 1: doing is enshrining the current law into law, as well
Speaker 1: as a bunch of other stuff that never pulls very popularly,
Speaker 1: and that's a huge benefit. We still don't know if
Speaker 1: medicaid or whatever is on the table, but you know,
Speaker 1: there's a precarious political landscape in the next one to
Speaker 1: two years that I see for them.
Speaker 2: Let me just put this last piece up on the screen.
Speaker 2: This is a eight B Trump's I think this is
Speaker 2: his most recent truth. I don't know, IM not sure,
Speaker 2: but one of his more recent truths. This is his
Speaker 2: latest sauce. He says, a once great American city, LA
Speaker 2: has been invaded and occupied by illegal aliens and criminals. Now,
Speaker 2: violent insurrectionist mobs are swimming and attacking our federal agents
Speaker 2: to try and stop our deportation operations. These lawless rides
Speaker 2: only strengthen our resolve, directing Secretary of Home and Security Christinoam,
Speaker 2: Secretary Defense Pete Hegsett, Attorney General Pambondi, and coordination with
Speaker 2: all other relevant departments and agencies to take all all
Speaker 2: such action necessary to liberate Los Angeles from the migrant
Speaker 2: invasion and put an end to these migrant riots. That's
Speaker 2: another thing is they're trying to project like the people
Speaker 2: participating here are all immigrants, are undocumented, and there's just
Speaker 2: no proof. I mean, I think vast majority are very
Speaker 2: likely American citizens. In any case, I actually don't. I
Speaker 2: mean LA is I mean, there's La has a massive
Speaker 2: immigrant population, but also a massive you know, like people
Speaker 2: who were immigrants and are now citizens population.
Speaker 1: There's no yeah, I mean that's what it's also, you
Speaker 1: know what the second largest city in the United States
Speaker 1: of America, right, I mean there's I mean, it probably
Speaker 1: does a very large legal population. Like let's be honest, sure,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I again, we have no I think it's unlikely, frankly
Speaker 2: because most people who are undocumented are very leery of
Speaker 2: doing much of anything right now because they're afraid of
Speaker 2: being picked up and deported. So the risk is much higher. Listen,
Speaker 2: we have no numbers. But that's what they want to project,
Speaker 2: is that this is all like undocumented immigrants and that's
Speaker 2: an invasion of LA, and that's why they're seizing on
Speaker 2: the Mexican the you know, just display of the Mexican.
Speaker 1: Flags seizing it's a Mexican flag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, it's everywhere. But there are also American flags,
Speaker 3: but you don't see those being I don't see very.
Speaker 1: Many of them. I was looking because images I don't want.
Speaker 4: To be for.
Speaker 1: We got plenty of images here.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I actually watched I actually
Speaker 2: watched a clip that Elon retweeted that showcased a bunch
Speaker 2: of American flags.
Speaker 1: I see a lot. They're out there, Mexican flags. They
Speaker 1: don't know people are illegal on stolen. But that's the
Speaker 1: typical leftist fair It's fine. I'm not going to sit
Speaker 1: here and like cat turn it up or whatever, but like,
Speaker 1: let's be honest about who we're dealing with here.
Speaker 2: Like sure, But in like I was saying, I think
Speaker 2: there's also an element of this where Trump is rhetoric
Speaker 2: on immigration this time. Although there was you know, some
Speaker 2: talk about like oh, they're taking your house and you're
Speaker 2: taking your jobs, it was more about they're emptying the
Speaker 2: insane asylums, and these are all criminals, and we're going
Speaker 2: to go after these criminals and to port them. And
Speaker 2: they're simply aren't that many undocumented immigrants who are criminals
Speaker 2: and so I think part of this as well is
Speaker 2: since you have this increasing sort of realization of who
Speaker 2: is actually being targeted, who is actually being deported, and
Speaker 2: there tend to be more sympathetic figures and people are
Speaker 2: just like here trying to you know, live a life.
Speaker 3: And work and get a job and whatever.
Speaker 2: This can substitute in for portraying that level of like
Speaker 2: criminality and lawlessness. I think is part of the reason
Speaker 2: why they're making this affirmative effort to project that everyone
Speaker 2: participating is an undocumented immigrant, which is like definitely not
Speaker 2: the case. So in any case, I think that's that's
Speaker 2: part of the narrative that they are trying to spin
Speaker 2: here as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to your point, and it helps, and like
Speaker 1: you burn cars and you have I skin flags.
Speaker 2: Absolutely agree that when you have, like I said before,
Speaker 2: the image of a burning Weimo with a Mexican flag
Speaker 2: is so perfect for them that I have to ask
Speaker 2: the like, yeah, it like seems way too on the nose.
Speaker 3: So in any case, you got.
Speaker 1: To remember too, most of the country has never been
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles. Right if you live in a red state,
Speaker 1: like you think San Francisco is just like riddled with
Speaker 1: shit because it's like the tender Loin district or you think,
Speaker 1: and look, I'm not downplaying that because it is terrible.
Speaker 1: I've been, I've seen it. It's awful, you know. Or
Speaker 1: Downtown LA like seeing this what I forget exactly what
Speaker 1: it's called. I'm completely blanking on it. That area of
Speaker 1: downtown skid Row, that is one of the worst things
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my whole life, ever seen. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the slums of Mumbai are comparable to the
Speaker 1: skid Row. It is horrific. So I don't want to
Speaker 1: downplay that. There is a tendency though, in the Middle
Speaker 1: American others to think that that's what it all looks like.
Speaker 1: Or Chicago it's all like, you know, Shiraq or whatever.
Speaker 1: But Mexican flags burning in the middle they don't know.
Speaker 1: So when you see images of what is it the
Speaker 1: four or five in LA being blocked up in Alabama,
Speaker 1: in Michigan, in Pennsylvania and all this, I can guarantee
Speaker 1: you you know, these things are going viral all across
Speaker 1: the country. I mean, look, we could debate forever about
Speaker 1: illegal immigration and deportation. I mean, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, if you're here illegally, you are liable to
Speaker 1: be deported. Whether it should be or not. We can
Speaker 1: argue that all day long, but as the law currently stands,
Speaker 1: and as the law that's about to I think probably
Speaker 1: going to go into effect, like that's something that is
Speaker 1: going to be happening. Again. We can debate morality, et
Speaker 1: cetera of all of that, but at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you know, having people throw things at federal agents,
Speaker 1: Mexican flags and all of that, these are sympathetic images
Speaker 1: for the Trump administration. In fact, I mean it almost
Speaker 1: makes me question why they started with these mach mood
Speaker 1: khalils and I'm blanking on the guy's name, the Buddhist guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean these are like ten times more sympathetic figures,
Speaker 1: Like why do they start with the propalas Indian movement
Speaker 1: in a certain stent? I mean, we could probably talk
Speaker 1: forever about that, but it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Let me make one more point that we can talk
Speaker 2: about Elon with us. Actually there's a tie in too,
Speaker 2: because Elon is like, you know, seizing on this to
Speaker 2: kind of like you know, smooth over some of his
Speaker 2: some of his ruptured ties with Mega. But in any case,
Speaker 2: you know, I think what what I was talking to
Speaker 2: Kyle about this last night, and he was saying, like
Speaker 2: they were gonna, like it doesn't matter whether the protests
Speaker 2: are peaceful or not peaceful or whatever. They were going
Speaker 2: to do this sort of thing anyway. And I think
Speaker 2: there's a reasonable point to me a bit about that
Speaker 2: because the pro Palestine protests. Think about the Pro Palestine protests,
Speaker 2: though they were over, I mean, they really were sort
Speaker 2: of a model movement, including really highlighting Jewish voices at
Speaker 2: the center of it, you know, peaceful, like the most
Speaker 2: aggressive thing they did was to take over that one
Speaker 2: building on the Columbia campus, which you know, you can
Speaker 2: debate and dispute, but that is sort of grounded and
Speaker 2: typical like you know, anti war protest movement tactics. And
Speaker 2: they were really really disciplined. And you know, anytime you
Speaker 2: have a movement, a large movement of people, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have some people who do some things that are like
Speaker 2: you know, some graffiti or so something that you don't
Speaker 2: but considering the number of people and the extent of
Speaker 2: locations and all of that, they were really disciplined and
Speaker 2: there was a significant crackdown. Now the National Guard wasn't
Speaker 2: called in, but there was a significant crackdown, and there
Speaker 2: has been an aggressive, over the top federal government response,
Speaker 2: right including pulling all the ability of Harvard to have
Speaker 2: foreign students at all, and taking over Middle Eastern studies
Speaker 2: departments and arresting people like mack Mood Khalil and arresting
Speaker 2: Moslim Mandawi and arresting messa Os Turk for writing an
Speaker 2: op ed and you know, really punishing anyone who would
Speaker 2: dissent from that narrative.
Speaker 3: So in a sense, would they have called in the
Speaker 3: National Guard? What would be exactly the same?
Speaker 2: Hard to say, but there is a top down crackdown
Speaker 2: on dissent regardless of how good or perfect your protest
Speaker 2: movement is.
Speaker 3: That is certainly the case. But I think what you're.
Speaker 2: Pointing to, what I will say for myself, is that
Speaker 2: it also matters how the public receives that protest movement.
Speaker 2: And so you know, in the case of the pro
Speaker 2: Palestine movement, even though it hasn't moved our elected officials
Speaker 2: because they're genocidal, horrific maniacs, whether you're talking about Biden
Speaker 2: or you're talking about Trump, the public way a public
Speaker 2: opinion has moved has been extraordinary. You know, the only
Speaker 2: old Republicans basically are now more pro Israel than pro Palestine,
Speaker 2: and that is a wild shift.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: Another successful protest model in Trump two point zero era
Speaker 2: has been You mentioned kill Maya Brego Garcia. There were protests,
Speaker 2: There were peaceful protests. There was you know, a significant
Speaker 2: effort of calling and writing members of Congress. There were
Speaker 2: people showing up at these town halls to yell at them,
Speaker 2: and you know, massive upset. You had Democratic politicians respond
Speaker 2: by actually going to El Salvador, keeping the pressure on
Speaker 2: the issue. You had the courts responding as well. So
Speaker 2: you had all of these layers. And because of that,
Speaker 2: when you pull on kill Maya Brego Garcia specifically, it
Speaker 2: is one of Trump's worst polling issues. People are disgusted
Speaker 2: with how he handled it. And the more that was
Speaker 2: in the news, the more that the pressure was kept
Speaker 2: on and that was kept in the news, the more
Speaker 2: that Trump's overall approval on immigration fell. And so now
Speaker 2: actually his approval rating on immigration has recovered a bit.
Speaker 3: His overall approvals were covered.
Speaker 2: A bit as that has become you know, more back
Speaker 2: burner in terms of the news and hasn't been in
Speaker 2: everyone's face. So there are there are models of you know,
Speaker 2: movements that have used successful tactics that have really swayed
Speaker 2: public opinion and moved people to their side, and have
Speaker 2: even successfully in some ways you want to talk about,
Speaker 2: Kilmar checked some of the ambitions of the Trump administration.
Speaker 2: So I do think, you know, I know, people get
Speaker 2: pissed off when you like, oh you don't wire you
Speaker 2: nitpicking the tactics, But look, this is not a game.
Speaker 3: This is very serious.
Speaker 2: These are these are want to be fascists, and he
Speaker 2: is an authoritarian who wants to use whatever pretext he
Speaker 2: can to crack down and to crush dissent and to
Speaker 2: spend you know, to create images and spend a narrative
Speaker 2: and tell a story that plays into his hands. And
Speaker 2: so you know, I think it's I think it's really
Speaker 2: important to be smart and strategic and not give him
Speaker 2: what he wants to provide a more effective pretext.
Speaker 1: Well, they're never gonna listen to me, So for every
Speaker 1: all the protest leaders, they're not gonna Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: think they would listen to you. Actually they probably hate me,
Speaker 1: but that's fine. You know, I love you guys. Too.
Speaker 1: It's okay, all right, let's go on to Elon. At
Speaker 1: the same time, an extraordinary fallout between Elon Musk and
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Crystal and the team have already covered much
Speaker 1: of that, but we do have some new developments, mostly
Speaker 1: within the MAGA movement, to a really turning on Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon, who of course has been gunning for Musk
Speaker 1: from day one, really seizing the opportunity to drive the
Speaker 1: point home that he's an interloper, he's a big tech oligarch,
Speaker 1: and now he wants to deport him. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 6: And then as soon as President Trump comes out today
Speaker 6: and President Trump's saying it in the nicest way possible
Speaker 6: about the bill, right, the bill, but being ba bang back,
Speaker 6: the guy gets up and starts tweeting the most visit.
Speaker 6: That's just stuff you could tweet, So all the fanboys
Speaker 6: defend this. He accused President Trump and basically being to
Speaker 6: a group with those of pedophiles on the island. He
Speaker 6: called for he called for the president to be impeached
Speaker 6: and JD. Vance to take his role. As hard as
Speaker 6: we've worked in all the years that we've walked in
Speaker 6: this audience's work. Some punk is going to sit there
Speaker 6: and go he's should be impeached. And hey, as sure
Speaker 6: as the turning of the earth, if those progressors rub
Speaker 6: up on him and say, hey, they're never gonna buy
Speaker 6: the they're never going to buy the Tesla's where they're
Speaker 6: going to buy the Tesla's they rub up on him,
Speaker 6: He'll write a five hundred million dollar check for a
Speaker 6: Keem Jefferies. He'll be across the thing looking to impeach
Speaker 6: President Trump, looking to help steal the twenty eight election,
Speaker 6: look into him, prison President Trump. So here's my point.
Speaker 6: Let's get ahead of it and shipping thirteen million out
Speaker 6: of here. Let me change that thirteen million in one
Speaker 6: because Elon Musk is illegal and he got to go
Speaker 6: to Okay, you're gonna ship these other people home. Let's
Speaker 6: start with the Let's start with the South Africa. Okay,
Speaker 6: and I got a couple other could go too, but
Speaker 6: he's illegal. Deport immediately. We all want to cut federal spending.
Speaker 6: His promise and commitment to the president of cutting one
Speaker 6: treeion dollars in federal spending was something he stuck to
Speaker 6: the end until we found out it was all a fraud.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is what caused the physical altercation you
Speaker 6: had in the West wing, right outside the Oval office
Speaker 6: between the Secretary Treasury. Scott Beston is a good friend
Speaker 6: of mine and a very even handed guy. He and
Speaker 6: Elon got into a physical altercation, and that's because number
Speaker 6: one people felt that day the Elon might have been
Speaker 6: on drugs, and number two, Scott called him a fraud
Speaker 6: to his face and said, look, we're in the middle
Speaker 6: of a heart a terrible budget fight. You committed to
Speaker 6: a two treeion dollars, then you committed to a tree
Speaker 6: in dollars. Now you talk about one hundred and sixty
Speaker 6: billion dollars. We don't see where you got anything, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So, I mean, there's so much to say there.
Speaker 1: We were joking, like, what exactly do you need to
Speaker 1: do to piss off a guy like Scott Besson? To you,
Speaker 1: a buttoned up Wall Street financier who literally in a
Speaker 1: pink house, what do you have to do to get
Speaker 1: him to punch you. I mean, listen, if you're a billionaire, first.
Speaker 2: Punch Scott, it's certainly he hates your gut. So apparently
Speaker 2: that was pretty common sentiment within the Trump and.
Speaker 1: Mary comry sentiment. Yeah. I mean, look, let's go to
Speaker 1: the next one, please, shall we We have Elon's response
Speaker 1: here to Steve Bannon. Bannon is a criminal who oozes
Speaker 1: evil from his face like a disease. He's a communist retard.
Speaker 1: He's a peak retard, peak retard, as he continues to
Speaker 1: say over and a criminal and criminal peak retard. Actually
Speaker 1: it's just actually, I mean, yeah, I guess you're technically wait,
Speaker 1: was he granted clemency your pardon? I forget So, I
Speaker 1: don't know whatever he is in the eyes of the law.
Speaker 1: What we do know is this is probably no coming
Speaker 1: back from with his relationship with Donald Trump, and I
Speaker 1: would say at least a certain sect of MAGA. Trump
Speaker 1: says Elon Musk will face quote very serious consequences if
Speaker 1: he funds Democratic candidates. You know, I don't think that
Speaker 1: is going to happen, just because of how far Elon
Speaker 1: has gone. But I was joking with several friends that you.
Speaker 3: Don't think he'll fund the Democratic gut No.
Speaker 1: But Elon is the perfect prey for people who you
Speaker 1: and I know very well, Crystal, the no labels crowd. Yeah, Elon,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, Elon is socially liberal,
Speaker 1: fiscally conservative. He is filthy rich, and he cares a
Speaker 1: lot about the debt. He has, you know, very or
Speaker 1: at least pretends to care a lot about the debt.
Speaker 1: And he's got shitloads of money, and he's got private
Speaker 1: business interests. All of those things confluence in the Bipartisan
Speaker 1: Policy Project or the No Label Center. He's tweeting about
Speaker 1: a third party, right, I mean, this is this is
Speaker 1: catnip for a certain type of Silicon Valley billionaire. The
Speaker 1: amount of polsters who he's going to are going to
Speaker 1: charge him ten times as a normal rate to prove
Speaker 1: his bullshit, and his consultants and all of that. I mean,
Speaker 1: the fallout is I find very vindicating because it's been
Speaker 1: obvious that Elon has been a huge problem for the
Speaker 1: Trump administration. But I mean, really, what I have to
Speaker 1: say is looking at the Trump administration is Elon has
Speaker 1: made them look like fools. And the reason why I
Speaker 1: say that is think about the amount of political capital
Speaker 1: that they went to bat for Elon Musk in the
Speaker 1: first ninety days of the Trump administration, and particularly, let's
Speaker 1: say with the first forty five days. The central story
Speaker 1: of the United States of America was Doge was waste,
Speaker 1: fraud and abuse. Now, I certainly still think that there
Speaker 1: is a popular sentiment behind Doge and the idea of
Speaker 1: like government corruption and all that. By about forty five
Speaker 1: days or so, we have a story. This is bullshit, right,
Speaker 1: This is just people who are gallibanting around getting access
Speaker 1: to systems chaos. Ten day, what did you do today? Emails?
Speaker 1: The White House went to extraordinary lengths to defend Elon.
Speaker 1: I mean they had a car dealership marketing thing on
Speaker 1: the White House lawn. That's as good as it gets
Speaker 1: for any company. Crazy. He bought La on the side
Speaker 1: on the south lawn to the White House. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's fucking see. Okay, I mean that's nuts. They
Speaker 1: said they're going to charge people with domestic terrorism for
Speaker 1: burning down. Now listen, you know, maybe if if make
Speaker 1: sure it applies to everybody, but they were talking about
Speaker 1: Tesla specifically, right. I mean, they brought the full force
Speaker 1: of a White House in the United States federal government
Speaker 1: basically to bear to defend this man's reputation. They stretch
Speaker 1: the law special government employee Doge. I mean, how many
Speaker 1: cases before the United States Supreme court overdose and then
Speaker 1: to have a falling out like this is just so
Speaker 1: immensely embarrassing because it always comes back to the original
Speaker 1: stories of the first Trump administration where somebody would leave
Speaker 1: and then they would attack Trump and look at Trump
Speaker 1: and Mac and Alan would always attack them. But you know,
Speaker 1: it always comes back to judgment. It's like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: why did you hire him in the first place? Right,
Speaker 1: So it's like John Bolton, John Bolton is a warmonger, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but why did you hire him? What were you doing? Yeah? Right,
Speaker 1: So like that's about bad judgment. And so really, I
Speaker 1: mean I just think they look incredible foolish, Like you
Speaker 1: have all these statements from the White House from Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: I mean, all of the bromance pictures, so many of
Speaker 1: the you know, the Elon's kid in the in the
Speaker 1: Oval office, all this craziness, and so for them then
Speaker 1: to turn around and be like, I'm taking you know,
Speaker 1: the bigger hand, It's like you accepted, you know, his
Speaker 1: ketemine use and his erratic behavior and all the political
Speaker 1: problems that he caused. Initially, you basically whitewashed so many
Speaker 1: of the corruption allegations. I mean, it was were obvious
Speaker 1: and true, you know, going on at the time, and
Speaker 1: it's only now they do like attack you personally. You
Speaker 1: know that you're willing to turn on it. I mean
Speaker 1: in a certain sense. I don't think it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1: I mean because really what you have watched is a
Speaker 1: defenestration of I think a lot of the tech bro
Speaker 1: alliance with MAGA, because a lot of them, I really
Speaker 1: believe they thought Washington was almost even more corrupt than
Speaker 1: it is, and they're like, oh, we can just buy
Speaker 1: our way in, and they didn't realize that actually there's
Speaker 1: courts and Congress like all this other stuff, and you know,
Speaker 1: you actually have to align with democratic institutions. And I
Speaker 1: do feel like Elon's real breaking point is he didn't
Speaker 1: understand that you actually can't just buy everything that you want.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have the NASA administrator who got lumored,
Speaker 1: which is hilarious. You know, what did you do? He
Speaker 1: donated some democratic politicians, which like one time, which he
Speaker 1: told Trump and only recently they were like, actually, no,
Speaker 1: that's a huge problem. I can only assume that the
Speaker 1: NASA guy was probably going to be highly preferential to SpaceX.
Speaker 1: But then you also have you know, the standoff around
Speaker 1: the debt. I'm not going to speculate around Elon's intentions
Speaker 1: with I mean, he probably does care about the debt
Speaker 1: in a very like Malay libertarian sense. That's always kind
Speaker 1: of been his politics. But really, what I think it
Speaker 1: is is that the GOP was not listening to him.
Speaker 1: And I think the reason is it's not just they
Speaker 1: were listening to Trump. Guys. This is Washington. There are constituents.
Speaker 1: Elon is like, we need to cut the debt. The
Speaker 1: New York congressman is like, I will not vote for
Speaker 1: this bill unless every millionaire in my district gets assault deduction.
Speaker 1: That's called democratic politics. Everyone's like, oh, this bill is
Speaker 1: full of pork. Yeah, what do you do? That's how
Speaker 1: it works. Like part of the thing that he's finding
Speaker 1: out and interacting with are like actual politicians who are
Speaker 1: responsible to people, and I think that is something that
Speaker 1: he is. I think he's irreconcilable now truly to the
Speaker 1: political system. But bright bigger story is just the Trump
Speaker 1: administration of the Republican Party made a huge mistake I
Speaker 1: think by becoming so like wholly tied to Elon Musk
Speaker 1: and his erratic behavior, his business interests is various problems,
Speaker 1: and in particular, what they did wrong was not you know,
Speaker 1: accepting somebody's money is like fine, okay, everybody does it.
Speaker 1: But they kind of fused themselves both to Elon's benefit,
Speaker 1: to his identity and to his company. That was devastating.
Speaker 1: Already we can talk about the company, we can look
Speaker 1: at the stock price into Elon and all that, But
Speaker 1: to the Republican Party, you basically took somebody who's an
Speaker 1: erratic person, not even an Americans you know, originally a born,
Speaker 1: natural born American citizen who has all kinds of conflicts
Speaker 1: of interest, not as a politician by any means or
Speaker 1: any right, and you subsumed him into your identity and
Speaker 1: you took all of the political hit. And I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, if you really look at it, the two
Speaker 1: prongs that have hit the Trump administration of the Hartist
Speaker 1: it has been Doge and it has also been the tariffs.
Speaker 1: And obviously we'll talk about tariffs a little bit later,
Speaker 1: but those two combined as a one to two punch,
Speaker 1: I think it's been devastating, you know, to a lot
Speaker 1: of their political prospects even now in the future. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, I don't thin these are particularly original thoughts,
Speaker 1: but I just think it was a huge mistake from
Speaker 1: the very beginning. Everybody could see it coming from a
Speaker 1: mile away that eventually something you know, would tear between
Speaker 1: if you look at Elon's entire history, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I hate it, but like he brought himself into our
Speaker 1: world right, like every relationship he's in, it's a freaking mess. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys should read I really encourage people
Speaker 1: to read Ashley Vance's biography of Elon. Like he had
Speaker 1: a longtime secretary who had the gall to like ask
Speaker 1: him for a raise because she's like, hey, I do
Speaker 1: a lot of work around here, and he just fired her.
Speaker 1: And it's like what like like it's like every business partner,
Speaker 1: every major investor, I mean, he was forced out of
Speaker 1: everyone forgets this. At PayPal, they're like, Elon, we can't
Speaker 1: deal with him, and they forced him out as a
Speaker 1: CEO overnight. I mean this is He's always been like
Speaker 1: this disagreeable and kind of crazy, so this was an
Speaker 1: eventual outcome. I do think though, that the damage to
Speaker 1: the Doge product, the Doge project that has done to
Speaker 1: the White House is something that's going to be very
Speaker 1: difficult for them, because that was the initial spark of
Speaker 1: a lot of the original political protests against Trump. The tariffs,
Speaker 1: I think, hit everybody devastated, a lot of political opinion.
Speaker 1: And now you have all the elements of a bad
Speaker 1: Trump's story, which is infighting between two principal actors. Everybody
Speaker 1: loves juicy drama. We've got the Epstein stuff, which we'll
Speaker 1: get to in a little bit, which is just you know,
Speaker 1: clownish in terms of the way that Trump administration is
Speaker 1: handling it. And so yeah, I mean, just broadly, I
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's bad. It is a great lesson,
Speaker 1: I think as to why these people should not actually
Speaker 1: be all that intertwined in our democratic system. Like at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, yes, you can hate Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: He is a talented politician, you know, JD. And all
Speaker 1: these people they got themselves elected like they know what
Speaker 1: they're doing. To a certain extent, even Schumer. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: I'll even say that they're better than these interlopers. And
Speaker 1: so in a sense, I am a little bit happy
Speaker 1: just to see some of that come in and because
Speaker 1: I mean, the arrogance was unbelievable. Oh yeah, in November.
Speaker 1: I have not told the story publicly, I will say
Speaker 1: it now. I knew somebody was very involved with Dosh
Speaker 1: and they said, you know, we're just so excited because
Speaker 1: there's never been a serious effort to cut spending in Washington.
Speaker 1: I literally laughed at them and I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, do you know who Paul Ryan is? I
Speaker 1: was just like, do you know how to read a
Speaker 1: fucking book? Like no offense? You know, but do you
Speaker 1: even know what you're talking about?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: And they thought I was the crazy one, right, And
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, you have a I
Speaker 1: was like, you got a lot coming to you, my friend.
Speaker 1: In fact, there's a viral clip somebody sent me and
Speaker 1: me talking specifically about Doge on the Lex Rereadman podcast
Speaker 1: in November where I was like, yeah, I'm not so
Speaker 1: sure about this. I was like, Congress exists, this is
Speaker 1: not how Washington works. You know this, this and this.
Speaker 1: I was like, you're going to run up against up
Speaker 1: your office. And it's effectively what has happened. And now Elon,
Speaker 1: through his own personal machinations, has crashed out dramatically and
Speaker 1: Trump doesn't want his phone calls, so.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Trump says that he's not really interested in
Speaker 2: talking to him. He says, he says that Elon is
Speaker 2: depressed and heartbrokenly true.
Speaker 1: What he has is Elon is pressed, right.
Speaker 3: I think he's bipolar, isn't he. He's a mess. He's
Speaker 3: a mess, and I mean, yes, he's like personally.
Speaker 2: Obviously, I'm in the White House with a black eye
Speaker 2: that you don't even bother to cover. Listen, I still
Speaker 2: have two black eyes. And I can give you some
Speaker 2: makeup tips. You don't have to show up with that
Speaker 2: all hanging out, you know, tweaking out.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's insane.
Speaker 2: But you know, he put in more than a quarter
Speaker 2: of billion dollars into Trump's campaign and he was going
Speaker 2: to get something significant for that, and he did. And
Speaker 2: so even as like you have to hold two thoughts
Speaker 2: in your head, even as Doge was a total and
Speaker 2: complete failure on the cutting spending and like making the
Speaker 2: government more efficient front, in fact it did the opposite
Speaker 2: of both of those things. Elon got things out of
Speaker 2: it and did have a huge impact in terms of
Speaker 2: destroying some of these agencies. You know, his investigations got dropped.
Speaker 2: The latest story says they he installed starlink over the
Speaker 2: objections of some of the White House folks, so that
Speaker 2: he could pull whatever data.
Speaker 3: He wanted out. So I'm not even sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, I still have a lot of questions about
Speaker 2: what it is that he got out of DOGE, including
Speaker 2: possibly like tons of data to feed into his own
Speaker 2: AI in order to try to win the AI race
Speaker 2: versus his rival Sam Altman.
Speaker 3: That was apparent.
Speaker 2: That was saga another one of the falling out points.
Speaker 2: I think that as far as we know publicly, the
Speaker 2: two big things were the NASA administrator getting pulled, which
Speaker 2: was like the final straw, which that's when Elon just
Speaker 2: like goes nuclear and starts accusing Trump of a peto
Speaker 2: and all that sort of fun stuff and claims, by
Speaker 2: the way, comes out and says like you won the
Speaker 2: election because of me, which again is an extraordinary assertion.
Speaker 3: Just like, yeah, I bought the election. That's what he's saying.
Speaker 3: The Wills man, I just.
Speaker 1: Don't think it's true, like period at all. Like I think,
Speaker 1: you know, his money was helpful, but what the oh,
Speaker 1: the Trump administration was hard up for money. Come on, like,
Speaker 1: get out of here, there's a billion dollar election. What
Speaker 1: you think the club for Growth or any of those
Speaker 1: other people are going to be able to fund and
Speaker 1: get out the vote operation. If anything you get out
Speaker 1: of the operation was shitty by all accounts for all
Speaker 1: that did cover. Yeah, we covered it at the time.
Speaker 1: I mean I talked to people who were involved. They said,
Speaker 1: this is a shit show and it's a mess. I mean,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump won the election because of Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: because of Kamala Harris Elon and all that. I mean,
Speaker 1: was it helpful at a very high level narrative, you know,
Speaker 1: to have Twitter bought? Yeah, I mean probably Twitter.
Speaker 2: The Twitter piece I think was very important, but I would.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it election swinging. It was more so
Speaker 1: hard to say nobody really knows.
Speaker 2: I mean when you think about like the vibe shift
Speaker 2: and like that, and having all the tech guys like
Speaker 2: all in on it, and I didn't mean to like
Speaker 2: they were all in and also specifically talking about the
Speaker 2: all in pime.
Speaker 1: By the way, are silent and our cowards. And I
Speaker 1: say this as a person who considers David Sachs as
Speaker 1: a friend. Cham Off, David Jason, speak up. You guys
Speaker 1: wanted this. Yeah, okay, I've met you. All's going you
Speaker 1: guys wanted to be in politics, you have to show up.
Speaker 1: You know, yes, I've been on parental leave. But you
Speaker 1: guys don't have an excuse. You have to show up,
Speaker 1: and you have to talk about all the shit, even
Speaker 1: the bad stuff, even when it makes you look bad.
Speaker 1: So you wanted this, okay, you wanted to be major
Speaker 1: political commentators. Show the fuck up? Where are you? Your
Speaker 1: silence is deafening. But you know, only David gets an
Speaker 1: excuse because he works in the government. Everybody else makes
Speaker 1: him speak up. Chamoth is literally tweeting about his dick
Speaker 1: size and he doesn't have anything to say about you.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm just saying commentary, right, he called himself
Speaker 3: an anaconda.
Speaker 1: Who by the way, if you have a billion dollars,
Speaker 1: what a fucking loser. I'll talk about this.
Speaker 3: Also, if you are saying things like that publicly, it
Speaker 3: really makes me.
Speaker 1: Questions just saying yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 3: There's all of that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think so this gets to who has
Speaker 2: the power now in this Dynane, who's going to quote
Speaker 2: unquote win And look, obviously Trump is president.
Speaker 3: Of the United States. He's a million times more charismatic
Speaker 3: than Elon. The people around him, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean they have like a love hate relationship with him,
Speaker 2: but he inspires respect. Elon inspires like disgusted and hatred
Speaker 2: apparently over time as people spend.
Speaker 3: Time around him.
Speaker 2: And so obviously Trump has more cards to play. I
Speaker 2: will say, though, I am surprised at how meekly Trump
Speaker 2: has responded like it is. It has been very rhetorically,
Speaker 2: it has been very meek. Now he's threatening all of
Speaker 2: Elon's contracts this. Elon tweeted this out though, which I
Speaker 2: think is also noteworthy, said, whatever happens, we've got the
Speaker 2: spaceships and they do not, which you know.
Speaker 3: He's pointing to the fact that.
Speaker 2: NASA and the space from really is kind of fucked
Speaker 2: without SpaceX because and this is a trend that started
Speaker 2: Barack Obama is really the one that pushed towards SpaceX
Speaker 2: and towards privatizing so much of the space program. I
Speaker 2: would say this is case in point of why it's
Speaker 2: so devastating to rely on like a single oligarch or
Speaker 2: a handful of oligarchs for things that are essential government capacity.
Speaker 2: And so he's holding that over Trump's head. And I mean,
Speaker 2: who knows what sort of data he has. There may
Speaker 2: be pieces that we aren't aware of cards that Elon
Speaker 2: can play. The other two parts that are obvious are
Speaker 2: Starlink is really critical for you know, this critical communications
Speaker 2: infrastructure that Elon has control over.
Speaker 3: And the other one is Twitter.
Speaker 2: Twitter has become the backbone of the conservative movement, conservative discourse.
Speaker 2: I mean it really has become extremely central, and so
Speaker 2: the fact he has control over that is another, you know,
Speaker 2: errow in his quiver and could be part of why
Speaker 2: Trump is not going nuclear in the way that has.
Speaker 2: I mean again, think about it. Elon said, your terror
Speaker 2: suck and they're going to cause a recession.
Speaker 3: You're a pedo. I you did not even win the election.
Speaker 1: I want it for you.
Speaker 3: And al Trump has to say is like, oh, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: he's so heartbroken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could read it that way. I also could
Speaker 1: read it as like it's humiliating, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean one of my best friends or most politically aligned
Speaker 1: person was like openly shitting on it.
Speaker 2: You'd just be like, yeah, I want to be humiliated.
Speaker 2: Like doesn't not a shameless I do not want to
Speaker 2: be humiliating.
Speaker 1: I truly, I truly have no idea what goes on
Speaker 1: into it. I do think. Look, this was brewing at
Speaker 1: a metal level inside of the White House now for
Speaker 1: some time, can we go ahead and put B five
Speaker 1: plead up on the screen. People have predicted some grand
Speaker 1: you know, reconciliation between the two. I just wish him well. Likewise,
Speaker 1: Elon says, after apparently trying to get Elon on the
Speaker 1: phone multiple times and has or sorry Trump on the
Speaker 1: phone multiple times and Trump has refused to take his call.
Speaker 1: I've I mean, the relationship already lasted so much longer
Speaker 1: than I thought that I just don't really even want
Speaker 1: to like speculate. I think, really what's been embarrassing is
Speaker 1: the fact that Maga, cat Turd and all these other
Speaker 1: people caped for Elon so hard, only to then have
Speaker 1: to turn on him at this point. It makes you
Speaker 1: look very foolish. I mean, the point is is with
Speaker 1: Elon is like Elon is. I mean, Elon was always
Speaker 1: kind of this independent sphere, very obviously trying to use
Speaker 1: his influence both to benefit himself but also like a
Speaker 1: broader technology aligned thing. And let's be honest, it is complicated,
Speaker 1: like between Elon and Sam Altman. Like I'm with Elon
Speaker 1: on that one, right, I mean, I'm not pro Sam
Speaker 1: Altman on some open ai insane takeover, and broadly with
Speaker 1: the project, what we really see here is this is
Speaker 1: a classic Trumpian style story where when someone and actually
Speaker 1: a right wing story, when somebody, no matter who they
Speaker 1: are and all their foibles, when they're with you, they
Speaker 1: go all in, You're a god, and we're buying Tesla's
Speaker 1: and cyber trucks, and then when they turn against you,
Speaker 1: it's like I heard it, he knew. The guy deported
Speaker 1: and it's like, how about maybe it's like, thank you
Speaker 1: for supporting us. You know, we're flying without you. It's
Speaker 1: really nice for you to be here with us. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's like we have an independent project. And
Speaker 1: some of the smart ones have always seen that, you know.
Speaker 1: That's why I've always respect to see Bannon. There's been
Speaker 1: some smart ones out there as well who were always like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know this, this is the problem. We can see
Speaker 1: this coming from a mile away. But you know, there
Speaker 1: are a number of just like impressionable kind of right
Speaker 1: wing guys I would say, who really got taken in
Speaker 1: by a lot of this project, And I think, look, really,
Speaker 1: and it goes all way up to the top yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean that's like I think Trump fell into this idea,
Speaker 2: Oh he's a genius and he's a great man. Like
Speaker 2: I think he got pulled into some of that as well,
Speaker 2: which is part of why he let him go as
Speaker 2: far as he did. I mean, the stuff was unhinged,
Speaker 2: like being on the stage with a chainsaw, gleefully firing people,
Speaker 2: destroying all of these agencies you know in wild violational law.
Speaker 3: There's all this.
Speaker 2: Reporting now that you know, Susie Wilds, and these people
Speaker 2: are like, what are you doing? Like they did not
Speaker 2: know in advance what he was doing and probably still
Speaker 2: don't know exactly what's going on. And that is one
Speaker 2: other thing that he's got is these doge kids are
Speaker 2: still who are more loyal to him, are still populated,
Speaker 2: these Asian they should be of course, yes, yeah, they
Speaker 2: absolutely should be out of it.
Speaker 3: No business being in there in the first place.
Speaker 2: So you know, last thing I'll say is there was
Speaker 2: we started with Trump saying, oh, they'll be serious consequences
Speaker 2: if Elon starts funding Democrats. You know I think that
Speaker 2: I think, first of all, no Democrats should be taking
Speaker 2: this guy's money, Like, why did you see how this
Speaker 2: went for Republic. Do you think this went well for them? Like,
Speaker 2: just even on a basic tactical practical level, you think
Speaker 2: this went well. Second of all, if you're going to
Speaker 2: be a real party that does anything real, you have
Speaker 2: to be oppositional to these oligarchs. You have to be
Speaker 2: oppositional to Elon. And so I think it will be
Speaker 2: a badge of shame for any Democrat who takes money
Speaker 2: from Elon Musk and I do not. I think the
Speaker 2: base will be thoroughly disgusted with that because to your point, zccer,
Speaker 2: I mean, he did make himself such a toxic, horrifying
Speaker 2: and galvanizing figure in the early days of the Trump
Speaker 2: administration with this Roman salute and all the rest, and
Speaker 2: so the Democrat is not going to forget that. And
Speaker 2: so if you're a Democratic politician who thinks you're going
Speaker 2: to take some money from Elon and nobody's going to
Speaker 2: have anything to say about it, I think you are
Speaker 2: dead wrong on that front.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely agree with that.