Speaker 1: On The Bechdel Cast. The questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef in best
Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hi, Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie, my name is Caitlin.
Speaker 1: Welcome to a very spooky episode. I wanted the confidence
Speaker 1: to open with a spooky but I did not. Um.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Beachdel Cast. This is our podcast where
Speaker 1: we talk about the role of women in movies. Hey,
Speaker 1: why is it called the Bechdel Cast Because it's inspired
Speaker 1: by the Bechdel Test by Mr Jerry Bechdel. Jerry Tyrone Bechdel.
Speaker 1: I'm man, just kidding. Alison Bechdel developed a test whereby
Speaker 1: two women in a movie have to talk to each other,
Speaker 1: they have to have names. First of all, they have
Speaker 1: to talk to each other. Their conversation has to be
Speaker 1: about some thing other than a man. Is this too
Speaker 1: much to ask of any movie? Usually? Yeah, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: think so. But you think it would just be really
Speaker 1: easy to write two women into your story and have
Speaker 1: them talk about a fucking sandwich or something. Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 1: nice sandwich. Thank you. My name is Carrie. My name
Speaker 1: is Carrie Done. Two women named carry talking about a
Speaker 1: sandwich that passes one of them. One of them c
Speaker 1: A R y the other one spells at c A
Speaker 1: R R I E. Yeah. But still this never happened.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm so angry so far, but
Speaker 1: I'm I have a Mike's Hard. I have a Mike's
Speaker 1: Hard Lemonade. You never have a Mike's Hard lemonade. I
Speaker 1: know we both have one. For the record, I love
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Speaker 1: I know waiting at us with your photo of it
Speaker 1: Mike's Hard Lemonade. Answer our tweets, please send us a
Speaker 1: case enable us. Anyways, it's got a nice cold Mike's
Speaker 1: Hard Lemonade in hand, strawberry lemonade. Baby Aristotle was giving
Speaker 1: us a hard time about it, because he was like,
Speaker 1: isn't that the bad flavor? And it's like, well, isn't
Speaker 1: every flavor the bad flavor of misade? So true tastes
Speaker 1: like my problematic past. Speaking of problems now anyway, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's introduce our guest. Hey, I'm excited for it to
Speaker 1: talk about today's movie, and it'll explain the spooky the
Speaker 1: failed spooky motif. We did a great job. But hey,
Speaker 1: before we talk about that, let's introduce our guests. You've
Speaker 1: got a terrific comedian, very funny lady. You know we're
Speaker 1: from Girl Code on MTV. That cute dogs, Nicole Buyers.
Speaker 1: I love how the original segue was speaking of problematic here.
Speaker 1: I know it didn't make any sense. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is a dumb transition. Now I liked it, and
Speaker 1: I wish you had an abandon and I wish you
Speaker 1: had doubled down, Like this woman is a real problem.
Speaker 1: She got here five minutes late. She's bad. She's not
Speaker 1: drinking a Mike's hard lemonade. She's a bad potato only
Speaker 1: because we didn't offer you one. No, it's okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to the gym after this. Oh you're a
Speaker 1: better woman than we are. We're literally going to get
Speaker 1: another mix. That's the plan. So we're talking about the
Speaker 1: movie Ghosts. When did you first see the movie? Um,
Speaker 1: I don't remember how old I was, but I assume
Speaker 1: maybe like eight, maybe seven, maybe six. I was very young.
Speaker 1: A lot of the things went over my head. But
Speaker 1: I just loved Whoopie Goldberg. I thought she was so
Speaker 1: funny in it. And then I loved Patrick Swaze. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, he makes my downstairs quiver. And
Speaker 1: then I would just I just watched that movie so
Speaker 1: many times. Would you say it's one of your favorites,
Speaker 1: it's my favorite favorite of all? Yeah? I love it.
Speaker 1: I had seen it, I think probably for the first
Speaker 1: time in college. Remembered the very famous pottery fox. Of course,
Speaker 1: I didn't remember much else about it many years past,
Speaker 1: and then I rewatched it again for this episode, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship, this is a good movie.
Speaker 1: It's a great movie that would never get made today, right,
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. So. It's funny, it's scary, it's sweet.
Speaker 1: I love it. It holds up, it does. I was
Speaker 1: a little nervous because I watched it with my mom.
Speaker 1: I think when I was like a young teen aby
Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen, and I remember loving it and being
Speaker 1: like maybe I was just a babe, but I was
Speaker 1: like I was a little bit afraid of it, but
Speaker 1: I was also a little bit turned on. But it
Speaker 1: like it has everything, has everything you could possibly want,
Speaker 1: but it holds up in a pretty major I was
Speaker 1: like so pleasantly surprised that how much fun it was
Speaker 1: to say, And if you just analyze it from like
Speaker 1: a storytelling screenwriting standpoint, it's really well crafted. Like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: this movie would never be made today, which yes it
Speaker 1: would not. But also a movie just came out called
Speaker 1: a Ghost Story starring Ruoney Mara and Casey Affleck, and
Speaker 1: the problematic, speaking of problematics, the log line is in
Speaker 1: this singular exploration of legacy, love loss in the enormity
Speaker 1: of existence, a recently diceased, white sheeted ghost returns to
Speaker 1: his suburban home to try to reconnect with his bereft
Speaker 1: wife to find white like an old school. That's the
Speaker 1: movie poster. And I bet you it's not a comedy
Speaker 1: and it should be. Like a woman turns around in
Speaker 1: her bedroom and she's like a child ghost chicker tree
Speaker 1: in my bedroom yeah, yeah, look up, this is the
Speaker 1: movie covered in a sheet. What is it? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm all for covering Casey have like in a sheet
Speaker 1: wherever he may be. What is it called a ghost story?
Speaker 1: A ghost story? Oh Man, bad HANDA hilarious came out
Speaker 1: July seven. Okay, it has sent on rotten tomatoes. Oh
Speaker 1: I just shall we go see it? Honestly, maybe we
Speaker 1: should go see it. But Roger Ebert gave it four
Speaker 1: out of four. I don't buy it's not even alive.
Speaker 1: But really, yeah, it was his website. Probably I thought
Speaker 1: Siskel was dead or they both? Did? They know who's
Speaker 1: reviewing movies? Who we are? Who's a roper? Roper? Al? Oh? Fuck?
Speaker 1: I really confused with two people? Who's roper? Replaced Cisco
Speaker 1: and Siskel died? Oh so who replaced Ebert? No one?
Speaker 1: You can't replace Ebert. I wonder if they're like arguing
Speaker 1: in Heaven't like, how come I got replaced? Replaceable? But
Speaker 1: he sings it like replaced every time you're irreplaceable. It
Speaker 1: reminds me of my freshman in high school history teacher,
Speaker 1: because that was when that song came out. She would
Speaker 1: try to connect with us by asking us to pass
Speaker 1: all our homework to the left to the left and
Speaker 1: then would turn this song on while we would pass
Speaker 1: our homework. What an awful job? What a terrible do
Speaker 1: you have to try to? Like? She sat at home.
Speaker 1: I was like, how can I get through Beyonce? Beyonce
Speaker 1: will help me teach the love of science. Now I
Speaker 1: just need to develop a lesson plan that involves the left.
Speaker 1: Sad shout out to Miss McCray. You did your best anyway, Jamie.
Speaker 1: When did you first se this movie? I saw it
Speaker 1: when I was probably around the Miss McCray era. My
Speaker 1: mom sometimes would just choose a summer night to show
Speaker 1: us one of her weird, horny movies. This was one
Speaker 1: of them that she'd had on cassette. And then she's like, Jamie,
Speaker 1: I think that because she knew that I had a
Speaker 1: thing for Patrick Swayze, and she for some reason was like,
Speaker 1: that's good because you and Patrick Swayze have the same birthday.
Speaker 1: And my mom believes fun fact about my mom, she
Speaker 1: thinks everyone who has the same birthday shares a part
Speaker 1: of each other's soul. So she believed she believed because
Speaker 1: Patrick Swayzy was alive at the time. She believed that
Speaker 1: Patrick Swayzy and I had in August eighteenth connection and
Speaker 1: that I should see the movie, and I thought I
Speaker 1: loved it. So me and Michael Jackson had a connection.
Speaker 1: We were both born on August twenty night. Yeah, both
Speaker 1: of your birthdays are coming up pretty soon? Are you
Speaker 1: a liover go? I'm a Leo. Oh, I'm a virgo.
Speaker 1: I've been wronged by virgos in the past. Oh well,
Speaker 1: I'll push you down the stairs. Let's keep the trend
Speaker 1: going my way out. I'm just like your leg will
Speaker 1: splint her out of your body, just like in the Beguild.
Speaker 1: Just go in the Beguild. That doesn't pass the back
Speaker 1: to old test, does it? Um? I don't even remember.
Speaker 1: It was such a terrible movie that I've blocked it
Speaker 1: from memory. It's a wild movie, right, It's like set
Speaker 1: during the Silver War and there's no black people, and
Speaker 1: there's yeah, the Sofia couple of the couple in their
Speaker 1: original version. It's just like way more interesting and better,
Speaker 1: and it's not all white people. We shouldn't be the
Speaker 1: Silver War era. It was like in Virginia pretty heavily black.
Speaker 1: Granted we were in the background picking up things but
Speaker 1: like just put us in there. Yeah. No, Sofia couple
Speaker 1: is like, I don't know how it's going to be
Speaker 1: white blonde, Yes, Sofia a couple of games all the
Speaker 1: shrug and she was like, we don't know what she
Speaker 1: really was she like asked about Yeah, I mean she
Speaker 1: very intentionally wrote out the only black character and yeah,
Speaker 1: she's unnoticed. She's unnoticed. Wow. Yeah, So she like had
Speaker 1: to like a thought in her brain and she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll just get rid of that problem her. I mean,
Speaker 1: her excuse was like, well, I don't know how to
Speaker 1: write a black character. It's like, well, then talk to
Speaker 1: someone do your job. But also, dummy, all you have
Speaker 1: to do if they're not speaking in like the language
Speaker 1: of the time, you just cast a black person in
Speaker 1: that part. Do you know what I'm saying. If she
Speaker 1: didn't know how to write slave talk like and if
Speaker 1: nobody else is speaking the way they spoke back, then
Speaker 1: you just write that character the way you write the
Speaker 1: white people and then cast a black person. That's like
Speaker 1: people like I don't know how to write women. Just
Speaker 1: write a man and then change his name from Jason
Speaker 1: to Allison, and then you have a woman congratulations, very easy.
Speaker 1: Everyone is horny and tortured regards of Yeah, Sofia couple
Speaker 1: is unnoticed. She's unnoticed. But let's talk about the movie.
Speaker 1: Ghost Goes is a fun movie that doesn't suck the
Speaker 1: way that Beguiled does. So I'll do the recap of
Speaker 1: Ghost Molly Molly Jensen. Molly Jensen is married to Sam Waite.
Speaker 1: They're not married yet. Oh sorry, Oh yeah, they never
Speaker 1: get married and never get married because he goes on her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he ghosted her the Ultimate ghost in Ultimate Ghost Her,
Speaker 1: but then like hung around. Yeah, he's like every fucking
Speaker 1: man of now right, Like, I don't want to be together,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to scare you and I have to
Speaker 1: follow your every Move's gonna watch you. Another man comes
Speaker 1: in your house, I'm going to scare him away and
Speaker 1: follow him home. I'm gonna learn how to kick a can.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm mad. I think we pretty much already
Speaker 1: recaped love the kick a can scene, the whole montage
Speaker 1: where he learns how to be a better ghost montage. Honestly,
Speaker 1: if someone knows how to do this, please put that
Speaker 1: whole sequence to other with milans make a man that song,
Speaker 1: I'll make a man. How do you? I would really
Speaker 1: love it. There's also just like, okay, I know that
Speaker 1: we didn't even get one sentence into the recap, but
Speaker 1: there's so many fun one scene character actors in this movie.
Speaker 1: The hospital ghost who presently hangs out it waits for
Speaker 1: other ghosts. No, he's waiting for his wife to die. Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh does he is that what he meant by that? Okay?
Speaker 1: Because then he just watches a man die in the
Speaker 1: surgery table in his life, Yeah, that's gonna happen, just like,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. And then there's a scary subway ghost.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, guy's incredible. One flew over the cuckoo's nest.
Speaker 1: He's perfect. You think I jumped always pushed me, which
Speaker 1: I guess I do anything for. Who are you? Who
Speaker 1: sent you? Joe? It's my love it? Suicide again right
Speaker 1: onto that train, but this time he's dead. I love it.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, do you want to do the really fast?
Speaker 1: So Molly and Sam are together. They live in its nice, new,
Speaker 1: huge fucking apartment in New York City. How do they
Speaker 1: afford it while he's a rich banker? Fine? They're out
Speaker 1: one night and they get mugged and he gets murdered
Speaker 1: and they think it's just like a random killing, and
Speaker 1: his spirit stays behind. He's a ghost now, but Molly
Speaker 1: can't see him. So he goes to a psychic, Odo
Speaker 1: May Brown played by Whoopi Goldberg, and he starts to
Speaker 1: figure out that this murder was actually like an intentional
Speaker 1: First Whoopee is a psychic who's faking it the whole time.
Speaker 1: So then Patrick Sweezy Sam Weed is giving like audio commentary,
Speaker 1: like give me a brick, and then she's like, who
Speaker 1: is it? Huh? And her sisters are like, what's happening?
Speaker 1: And then he's like, say my name Sam Wait, Say
Speaker 1: my name Sam wait. And then she's like then she
Speaker 1: runs to a closet and then and then her sisters
Speaker 1: go some queen. Her sister's there's so funny, there's no
Speaker 1: she's talking to a white man again. We gotta called
Speaker 1: the doctor. It's so funny, it's great. So he goes
Speaker 1: to her to try to because it turns out that
Speaker 1: she can actually like communicate with the dead, the spirits
Speaker 1: who have who She has that crazy backstory like the
Speaker 1: more you learn about you're just like this woman has
Speaker 1: lived a very interesting way. Yeah, So He goes to
Speaker 1: her to be like, can you communicate to Molly for me?
Speaker 1: Because I gonna warn her that she's in danger. Because
Speaker 1: he starts to figure out that he was set up
Speaker 1: and he was murdered intentionally because his friend Carl Carl
Speaker 1: was so hot. Carl Carl, I suppose he takes his
Speaker 1: shirt off. He's sure. Tony Goldwin, I had like my
Speaker 1: sexual awakening watching this movie. But then odom A Brown
Speaker 1: goes to Molly after Molly like doesn't answer, and then
Speaker 1: she's talking to Molly and then Sam's like, tell her
Speaker 1: she's in danger, and she's like, I tell her my
Speaker 1: own way. She goes Molly, you and danger girl. It's
Speaker 1: another favorite line reading of mine. It's so good. It
Speaker 1: took me a while. It took me till midway in
Speaker 1: the movie. I'm like, oh my god, it's fits from Scandal,
Speaker 1: And then I got horny. He plays the president. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's the president on Scandal. Has a badass, beautiful man.
Speaker 1: I saw her once in the airport and I almost died.
Speaker 1: I don't get star struck, and I don't think I was.
Speaker 1: I was just like, I don't want to open my
Speaker 1: p I just love him. Oh, God, he's great. You
Speaker 1: did get to see him shirtless, which I forgot if
Speaker 1: you were if you did in this movie, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, thank god. Because he spills the coffee
Speaker 1: on himself because I think he's trying to seduce Smolly.
Speaker 1: But I don't understand why he's trying to seduce Molly.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that is gibolical. No, it's to get her
Speaker 1: on his side, Odo May says anything. She's already slept
Speaker 1: with him, so she feels an allegiance to him. That's
Speaker 1: so fucked up. And I can't believe I've watched that
Speaker 1: movie a hundred times and just now unders him. I
Speaker 1: feel very dumb. No, I mean it's not super explicit,
Speaker 1: but perfect. He's a manipulative That's that's what it is
Speaker 1: to me. It's just like it. But it turns out
Speaker 1: he is a bad guy. He's trying to He hired
Speaker 1: money Willie Lopez to not murder Sam Weet, just steal
Speaker 1: his bank book with like codes in it because he's
Speaker 1: like laundering money. But then Willie Lopez couldn't get it,
Speaker 1: so Willie Lopez accidentally kills him. So then they're having
Speaker 1: a conversation. He's like, you murdered. Hi, man, He's like,
Speaker 1: did you won't feel free? And yeah, And at first
Speaker 1: I was feeling for for Willy Lopez, but then at
Speaker 1: the end you find out when you see Willie Lopez
Speaker 1: go to Hell, all the blood rises from the floor
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, this man has killed and that's
Speaker 1: why he's got that bear clow tattoo and the like
Speaker 1: it's like a tear drop tattoo. Fact. Willy Lopez. I
Speaker 1: cannot remember his actual his like real life name, but
Speaker 1: he's a comic. He was, Yes, he stand up and
Speaker 1: he was like pretty funny. I watched a couple of clips.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah he did his Oh yeah he died. His
Speaker 1: Wikipedia picture is just a picture of him from Ghost. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's literally like Ricky Vellis that looks like the picture
Speaker 1: when he's looking in the mirror when Sam we makes
Speaker 1: it all foggy and writes boot, I literally have seen
Speaker 1: this movie so many times there. That was one of
Speaker 1: the things that stood out to me. That scene when
Speaker 1: like Willie is like basically going through a series of
Speaker 1: rooms before he's hit by three cars at one. But
Speaker 1: they're like a practical effect in this movie are really
Speaker 1: they're really great, Like she flying off the walls and
Speaker 1: the and the boo and you're just like, funk, this
Speaker 1: is like really it is a well done as movie.
Speaker 1: It was scary. I remember like that that freaked me
Speaker 1: out when I was a little The beginning scares me
Speaker 1: when they because they're in the new apartment they're renovating
Speaker 1: it and it's Carl, Molly and Sam and they're like
Speaker 1: hitting through this thing and then like as like light happens,
Speaker 1: a big noise happens, and I still I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: and it's not the scariest part of the movie, no,
Speaker 1: but but I get it's like and it's kind of
Speaker 1: like foreshadowing. Yeah. So he goes to Otomey is like
Speaker 1: your dead boyfriend, Sam Weed is communicating to you through me,
Speaker 1: and here's everything he's saying. And at first she doesn't
Speaker 1: believe otomy, and then she starts to come around. She's like, hey, maybe,
Speaker 1: but then meanwhile Carl is manipulating her into being like, actually, no,
Speaker 1: you're crazy, you're not here, like go start real. And
Speaker 1: then they still to just piece more and more things.
Speaker 1: Soone they don't believe, don't believe her. And that woman said, honey,
Speaker 1: if you go start watching me every day, I'd never
Speaker 1: take a shower again, and then walks away and I
Speaker 1: was like, you can't, you're so rude, which is technically
Speaker 1: a scene that by our rules passes the back del Well,
Speaker 1: she doesn't have a name's just an officer. She's not
Speaker 1: giving a name. Well, we'll get there later. One of
Speaker 1: the coolest things about this movie for me was the
Speaker 1: fact that, like in most movies, it's very hard to
Speaker 1: identify what everyone's motivation is at every point in the movie.
Speaker 1: But for this, like every main character is super motivated
Speaker 1: in a way that makes a ton of sense, Like
Speaker 1: down to the fact that Patrick Swayze low key kind
Speaker 1: of blackmails Whoopi Goldberg into continuing to work with him,
Speaker 1: and she has stuff at steak, and me Moore has
Speaker 1: stuff at steak because she, I mean, everyone around her
Speaker 1: saying something different. And it would be so easy to
Speaker 1: just write her characters like this lady's grieving and she
Speaker 1: things ghost surreal, but like she's taking in all the
Speaker 1: information and doing the best she can, just being gaslighted
Speaker 1: by Tony freaking Goldwin. And like it's just every character
Speaker 1: has like a very specific It's so each scene is
Speaker 1: like a sketch because each character has a game and
Speaker 1: everyone plays their game, and it's like, if it's true,
Speaker 1: what else is true? Like all of Odomy Brown scenes
Speaker 1: to meet our sketches, they heightened perfectly, and you blow
Speaker 1: out the world and you get out, and then like
Speaker 1: the next scene heightens what she's doing. So like when
Speaker 1: I learned how to write sketches, I would watch Ghost
Speaker 1: a lot because I was like, these are perfect, like
Speaker 1: especially when they're in the bank and sam Weed is
Speaker 1: whispering to Odomy and she's like, why are you whispering?
Speaker 1: That is such a funny specific because like she remembers
Speaker 1: she was talking to a ghost and has to do
Speaker 1: like x Y and it's my favorite moment. Uh No,
Speaker 1: you're right though, Like if you just isolate every scene,
Speaker 1: it's just like every scene serves a purpose, it heightens well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything is just a very well crafted story. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of upset with myself that I didn't like, revisit it
Speaker 1: sooner and pay more change into it. It works on
Speaker 1: every level, and the romance is really good and I
Speaker 1: get it and I love that to me more sort of,
Speaker 1: I mean for the most part immediately before he dies, granted,
Speaker 1: but basically proposes to Patrick Swayzy and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't have any jewelry on me, but I do.
Speaker 1: We should get married, you know, and and and that's
Speaker 1: like I want to talk about that scene. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the recap is done. He's a ghost. He's
Speaker 1: a ghost. He gets murdered in a billowy burgundy shirt
Speaker 1: that he used to wear for the rest of his
Speaker 1: chucked into his pants. What happens, What happens to the
Speaker 1: world if he untuch, I don't know, it would explode
Speaker 1: and maybe he untucked and then it magically goes back
Speaker 1: in because that's the way he died. And I like
Speaker 1: in the Santa Claus where he shaves off his beard back.
Speaker 1: I love that this schizophrenic subway gust. It's like, your
Speaker 1: shirts not real, your body is not real. But he
Speaker 1: references the shirt specifically, and it's like, thank you. I've
Speaker 1: been thinking about what a great outfit to die in.
Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, he woren't to the play. They went
Speaker 1: to go see Macbeth Mabeth another grade. He fell asleep
Speaker 1: and he was snoring, but anyway, so yeah, he finally
Speaker 1: convinces to help Molly talk to the thing and they
Speaker 1: figured all the thing out, and the ministery, the murder
Speaker 1: gets solved, and then all the bad guys die and
Speaker 1: then finally Sam's spirit can ascend Molly. It's amazing the
Speaker 1: love inside you get to take it with you, and
Speaker 1: then he goes up to heaven. I was weeping. It's
Speaker 1: really touching, it really is. And there was and and
Speaker 1: this was while I was watching the movie because I
Speaker 1: love Swazie. We after all share each other soul Annway
Speaker 1: and then in August eighteenth cents. But I I did
Speaker 1: posit at one point because every time I watched the
Speaker 1: scene between Patrick Swayze and Whoopi Goldberg, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: for sure they were real life friends, like you can
Speaker 1: just yes, that's how she got the job. Patrick Swayzey
Speaker 1: was like, I won't do this movie unless Whoopi Goldberg
Speaker 1: does this movie. Yeah. Then I read some article that
Speaker 1: Tina Turner was like one of the original choices and
Speaker 1: then the reference tinga turn in the movie. But I
Speaker 1: don't know how true that is, and I didn't get that.
Speaker 1: I started reading. I looked up and this is like
Speaker 1: slightly more bid, and like, I bet Whoopie Goldberg had
Speaker 1: a great tearful public appearance after Patrick Swayze's death. And
Speaker 1: I watched what she said several days after on the view,
Speaker 1: and it was check it out YouTube dot com, YouTube
Speaker 1: dot com. I've never been to that website. It's it's
Speaker 1: a new cool It's just short clips of your favorite
Speaker 1: song of history and time. I better get it. It's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. It's pretty cool. Whoopi Goldberg basically credits quite
Speaker 1: a bit of her success to Patrick Swayze. Is like
Speaker 1: vouching for a year, want to fucking oscar for it,
Speaker 1: and became a legitimate movie star. And I can't think
Speaker 1: of another bankable black movie star like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's she's one of a kind in everyone, but I
Speaker 1: didn't realize the role Swazy had and man, and she
Speaker 1: also said, fun fact this Swazy loves to moon his
Speaker 1: close stars, like whenever she was saying, like, she cited
Speaker 1: a specific scene where it's her and Swayzie and and
Speaker 1: it's like, you're the shots are back and forth between
Speaker 1: a tight shot on her and a tight shot on him,
Speaker 1: and She's like, whenever it was like a shot on
Speaker 1: just me. Swazie was off on the side moon and
Speaker 1: me making me laugh. What a goofball, what a warrior
Speaker 1: arrest in paradise and you're just like they were good friends.
Speaker 1: That makes me so happy because they had they have
Speaker 1: such a great chemistry together. It's so it's so much
Speaker 1: fun to watch them together. I don't know, it makes
Speaker 1: me feel like a kid to be like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I hope they're really friends in real life. But it
Speaker 1: may be they were really friends in real life. But okay,
Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk about that scene where she
Speaker 1: effectively proposes to him. It's right before he gets murdered,
Speaker 1: which is just more great writing. I never started telling
Speaker 1: chance to get married, but she's like, I want to
Speaker 1: marry you. I've been thinking about a lot, and I
Speaker 1: think we should just do it. And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: you never wanted to talk about it. So the implication
Speaker 1: is that maybe he proposed, or maybe he was just like, hey,
Speaker 1: are we gonna get married? Like what's going on? And
Speaker 1: she's like, well, no, like which I like because so
Speaker 1: often in movies and just society in general, this idea
Speaker 1: is put forth that if you're in a hetero relationship,
Speaker 1: women are just like I can't wait to get married
Speaker 1: and want to get me so much and I can't
Speaker 1: wait till it happens. I just want to have to
Speaker 1: sit around and wait till he asks me. And I
Speaker 1: can't wait for that day because it's gonna be the
Speaker 1: best day in my life. And just so I like
Speaker 1: that she was the one who was like, actually, I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. It's not important to
Speaker 1: me right now. And then finally it was on her
Speaker 1: terms where she's like hey, She's like I thought about
Speaker 1: it and I'm ready. Yeah. Yeah, I think Molly is
Speaker 1: you can like write her off. Is like just like
Speaker 1: this whiny, sad, widowed woman, but like she's pretty complex.
Speaker 1: She's got short hair, which is the baldest woman is
Speaker 1: in charge, and then she has her own business. She's
Speaker 1: like a pretty successful sculptor. She wears masculine clothing, she
Speaker 1: wears like overalls and stuff, but then she has like
Speaker 1: a soft feminine sign and then she proposes to her boyfriend. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: I I like her character. I like that she and
Speaker 1: then like the fact that she did go to the
Speaker 1: police to talk about a ghost. Takes a lot of
Speaker 1: balls to be like, well, I mean I don't know,
Speaker 1: this ship seems true. Let me fucking figure this out.
Speaker 1: And she was like totally aware of how crazy she sounds.
Speaker 1: She's like, I know this sounds so stupid, but like
Speaker 1: I gotta hear me out. And it was also the
Speaker 1: way that the scenes between her and outamate and we'll
Speaker 1: get to also Patrick Spacey play out was also believable,
Speaker 1: and that she does not respond to Odamy the first time,
Speaker 1: because that was probably scary and confusing, but then eventually,
Speaker 1: I mean it, that seemed like a realistic betrayal of
Speaker 1: grief of like, Okay, there's been enough specifics and like,
Speaker 1: what do I have to lose by just listening to
Speaker 1: this person a little bit? And that sort of is
Speaker 1: like and even down to like the shirtless Tony Goldwin
Speaker 1: the deceiver, that's a very common and that was something
Speaker 1: that and not to get personal, but like that was
Speaker 1: something that resonated with me specifically of like the deceased
Speaker 1: man's best friend trying to look out for not quite
Speaker 1: the widow, but basically the widow of his best friend.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's sort of a normalized thing of like, well,
Speaker 1: if his friend can't take care of her, then you know,
Speaker 1: he'll take care of her. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: a creepy thing and the reason that my uncle Butch
Speaker 1: is in my life and I hate Uncle Butch, but
Speaker 1: he's the Tony Goldwin except a liar and not hot.
Speaker 1: But anyways, I but it was even realistic how those
Speaker 1: scenes played out between the two of them. Of like,
Speaker 1: you know that dem Moore's characters really isolated herself from people,
Speaker 1: and Tony Goldwyn is one of the only people she
Speaker 1: really trusts and has a connection with because she knew
Speaker 1: and and so even the fact that they might have
Speaker 1: hooked up if Patrick Swayzy hadn't overture of himself remember me. Oh.
Speaker 1: Then also, Carl was pushing Molly so hard to like
Speaker 1: get over it. I feel like that happens a lot
Speaker 1: when a loved one passes away. The people around you
Speaker 1: were like, you have to move on. It's like well,
Speaker 1: and I like that she like slapped him at one
Speaker 1: point and she was like, no, Carl, and it was like, yeah, Carl,
Speaker 1: let her fucking grieve, even though I know that, like
Speaker 1: you murdered her boyfriend, Like if you hadn't let her grieve,
Speaker 1: still be wrong even if you murder. Yeah. Oh, I'd
Speaker 1: like to propose a new movie role that I noticed
Speaker 1: in this movie The Man in the Loosest Khakis is
Speaker 1: up to something before and well because Patrick Swayze, who
Speaker 1: in their right mind would put a pair of loose
Speaker 1: khakis on Patrick Swayze, He's got the bus but the
Speaker 1: butt of the center so there, so he's in tight
Speaker 1: pants the whole time. But Tony Goldwin, they they like
Speaker 1: to put him in loser. Yeah, I guess I gotta
Speaker 1: go and attention to that. You know what scene. I
Speaker 1: really love the elevator scene in the beginning, it's like
Speaker 1: towards the beginning, they're like, in the elevator they talk
Speaker 1: about how Karl needs to pay off his Mustang. They
Speaker 1: get in the elevator and then he starts coughing and
Speaker 1: he's like the doctor says, it's contagious, and uh, I
Speaker 1: do that often. I won't do sickness. But when I'm
Speaker 1: in an elevator with my roommate, I'll look at him
Speaker 1: and I'll go, why won't you just have a baby
Speaker 1: with me? And he goes, now is not the time,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, please, when is the time to talk? John?
Speaker 1: I love you? And then he always like, it's into
Speaker 1: exactly what I want, even though he doesn't mean to it.
Speaker 1: He'll be like I'm never taking elevated with you again,
Speaker 1: and I'm like why are we fighting? And he's like
Speaker 1: stop it. And then people are always like, oh no,
Speaker 1: that's very funny. That's a great scene because it's basically
Speaker 1: it's like it uses a diversion so that we won't
Speaker 1: suspect Carl is this evil militias there showing how close
Speaker 1: they are. The movie is really well written and very
Speaker 1: well executed. It's a great movie. I was blown at
Speaker 1: how many different points. I'm like, wow, I didn't I
Speaker 1: forgot that part happened. And that's so smart because every
Speaker 1: scene has a purpose that never happens never. It's so well.
Speaker 1: It's so famous for the pottery Fox scene, which actually
Speaker 1: makes me furious because but it's so horny. She's sculpting
Speaker 1: az if you will out of clay and he puts
Speaker 1: his hand into it, sucks it up, and she's just
Speaker 1: like okay. But I feel like she did a good
Speaker 1: job of being like, huh, well it's not now, because
Speaker 1: she does get a little terse with him, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I like that. That's like a real relationship.
Speaker 1: I would have like elbowed him in the face and
Speaker 1: been like fuck you, you ruined, but but then you
Speaker 1: win and get to funk. When I was little, I
Speaker 1: was like, why aren't their hands dirty? How did they
Speaker 1: did they clean? What makes me furious? So they get
Speaker 1: all that, they get all I know, I know, but
Speaker 1: I just well, I want to see a tense scene
Speaker 1: of penersuavy and for me more washing their hands and
Speaker 1: we're going to hook. So even before that, when they're
Speaker 1: like getting their hands all dirty, I just and it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be very hot because they're running on their
Speaker 1: hands on each other and getting each other more laid.
Speaker 1: To me, that so grows. I think sex should be
Speaker 1: in a sterile environment, in a white room. We're not
Speaker 1: all gonna pods unchane melody playing while their little fingies
Speaker 1: are touching. And I think no part of two people's
Speaker 1: bodies should touch during sex except for their genitals. I
Speaker 1: think people should just be far, just farm and just
Speaker 1: just rusting and receiving. Yes, that is how I think
Speaker 1: sex should be. So this scene here's a fun to
Speaker 1: Really I asked my old roommate Evan to take my
Speaker 1: virginity and he said okay, and he's gay, and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, but I don't want you to touch
Speaker 1: me because that might change our relationship. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I will wear a crotchless le a tart or like
Speaker 1: a snap crotch last, and you can interview that way,
Speaker 1: but do not touch my titties, and do not touch
Speaker 1: my face and don't kiss me. We didn't end up
Speaker 1: having sex because I had too many rules. He was like,
Speaker 1: I can't just like do my thing, and I was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: absolutely not the best. Yes, it was definitely for the best.
Speaker 1: It would have been fun for either one of us.
Speaker 1: You've been like I wish you were a man. I'd
Speaker 1: be like, I wish you were a straight man who
Speaker 1: loved me. Well, anyway, that that the part where he's
Speaker 1: where is it? Hope that wasn't a masterpiece did make
Speaker 1: me laugh because I was trying to like in my head,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what if she had done like what if
Speaker 1: she was an oil painter? And he just was like,
Speaker 1: wasn't a masterpiece? Would you like to fuck me? I
Speaker 1: mean that's with any creative job. I imagine she was
Speaker 1: doing a stand up show and he walked on stage
Speaker 1: was like, I hope you weren't trying to have a
Speaker 1: good set. Yeah, or if she was a surgeon, he
Speaker 1: just came in and stuck his hand and a body.
Speaker 1: This wasn't a casualty. He heckled her pottery. But okay,
Speaker 1: here's a plot. Hole does bother me? He passes away.
Speaker 1: It seems like he's pretty well off. He's doing well
Speaker 1: in his profession. There's a promotion on the table, etcetera.
Speaker 1: They just moved into this really nice apartment. Are we
Speaker 1: to expect on a potter sal She can afford this
Speaker 1: apartment by herself life insurance and then they do packages
Speaker 1: when people die. They give you a bunch of money
Speaker 1: to loved ones when you have a good job. And
Speaker 1: then if they had sold any assets, so like if
Speaker 1: they each owned a home and sold it or whatever,
Speaker 1: she would get the money from his house, so it
Speaker 1: could work. Yesbsolutely yeh. Dead people with good jobs usually
Speaker 1: take care of you, Okay, Because it was like I
Speaker 1: didn't want her to move, but I was just like,
Speaker 1: how that's a great apartment. They live in New York
Speaker 1: and she has like a Also, remember it's the eighties
Speaker 1: or the early nineties and he and he works in
Speaker 1: finance in some ways, so we're to believe he like cats. Okay,
Speaker 1: that brings up a point I wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1: He never offers to nor pays what Pio Goldberg's character
Speaker 1: for all of her services. Oh no, he should be
Speaker 1: like like a mutual well kind I mean, no, a
Speaker 1: ghost can't pay you. Well, but he could have been like, hey, Molly,
Speaker 1: throw her a bone. Well, I think she's gonna be
Speaker 1: fine because she can hear ghosts and she can charge more.
Speaker 1: Remember when he goes back and she was like, I
Speaker 1: got ghosts from New Jersey coming in. And then uh,
Speaker 1: that woman was just like where's the money. And then
Speaker 1: that man jumps in her money and wouldn't you do
Speaker 1: to your hair? Do you like it? It's autumn sunra.
Speaker 1: That's so good. It's very funny. But I think she
Speaker 1: because he did help her. He showed her that she
Speaker 1: can speak to dead people, so then she will always
Speaker 1: be busy and she can charge so much money. Sure,
Speaker 1: I still I think that he should have offered to pay,
Speaker 1: especially because he kind of teases her with like you're
Speaker 1: going to get formed, or like he doesn't tease her.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't know how much money he was murdered for.
Speaker 1: He just knew it was money. So then when that's
Speaker 1: why when the guy goes, oh, you are taking out
Speaker 1: four million dollars and she goes four million? Do say yes?
Speaker 1: Say yes? How would you like that? Tess in twenties?
Speaker 1: Excuse me? Cash? She has check? I think a cash
Speaker 1: she has check is best. I love it. I her
Speaker 1: outfit that hole, It's like it's perfect. And she's like,
Speaker 1: you don't like my outfit. He's like, no, I love
Speaker 1: it's great. Don't change, Nicole. I want to see your
Speaker 1: one woman show where you just reenact the entire movie
Speaker 1: of GHOL. I mean, if they ever do a remix
Speaker 1: and I am not casting it, I will literally end
Speaker 1: my love. I love it so much. I just got overwhelmed. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, and also, we haven't talked about Odomay his
Speaker 1: first outfit with the fun when her sister opens, oh, no,
Speaker 1: one's in the door, and then and think, or no,
Speaker 1: is it bronze? Or is it is it like maybe
Speaker 1: a closet is orange? Maybe, but she's had a metallic
Speaker 1: like golden robe. And then and then does this amazing
Speaker 1: Oh god, and Patrick Swayze as most of like most
Speaker 1: scenes in the movie, lurking, Patrick Swayzy really mastered a
Speaker 1: resting expression in this movie, just like yeah, but but
Speaker 1: in a way that was very You're like, you know,
Speaker 1: he really is listening. He really is listening in that
Speaker 1: beautiful bergun t shirt billowing, very billowing billowing. So we
Speaker 1: talked a lot about Molly being a pretty complex character.
Speaker 1: She's a little boring, especially when you compare her everybody
Speaker 1: else in the movie she has. She's working with a lot.
Speaker 1: Like growing up, I'd be like Molly, but then like
Speaker 1: as I got older, I was like, oh no. She
Speaker 1: was literally dealing with the love of her life, dying
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out this woman who says she
Speaker 1: can hear him, and then a best friend he was like,
Speaker 1: it's okay, come on, touch my body. And you know,
Speaker 1: she's got a new house. It's a lot. She's dealing
Speaker 1: with so much and she's still and she continues working.
Speaker 1: And also they renovated it. It was fixed. It was
Speaker 1: like just like an empty space. So I'm sure they
Speaker 1: got it very cheaply, great time to die sway renovating stressful. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I I was not like particularly impressed by her, like
Speaker 1: because everything she does in the context of what happens
Speaker 1: in the story and makes sense, and her reactions pretty
Speaker 1: much universally makes sense to me. But things are usually
Speaker 1: happening to her versus her doing things like she goes
Speaker 1: to the police, but that doesn't really yield anything. It's
Speaker 1: mostly we I feel like most things we see with her,
Speaker 1: she's receiving information right, so it's like, you know, which
Speaker 1: makes sense because she's not really Sam Weeds, the protagonist
Speaker 1: of this story, makes sense that he's the one driving
Speaker 1: the story. So the fact that she does pretty much
Speaker 1: anything that influences anything is good because often women in
Speaker 1: a story are just there is a set piece, really
Speaker 1: just oh I look hot and I'm here to look
Speaker 1: at and uh, that's all I have to Women in
Speaker 1: this movie are treated well. I think. I think they're
Speaker 1: well written, and they serve a purpose. Even that cop
Speaker 1: being so nasty sets the tone of how Odemy is
Speaker 1: going to be treated in that scene, because then the
Speaker 1: other cop is like, we have her file, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: oh no, and then it makes the audience even start
Speaker 1: to well, not even doubt because we know, we know.
Speaker 1: But when you're like, oh, ship, this may not work
Speaker 1: out because ode May has a record and Will Lopez
Speaker 1: is clean, we understand why Molly then might start to
Speaker 1: question her own reality of what's happening, and we're so
Speaker 1: it's like fuck. So it's like, really a great victory
Speaker 1: when she starts to believe ode may again because we
Speaker 1: see like she used to fake ideas. Con artist makes sense. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's we're so horny for this movie. It's such a
Speaker 1: good movie. I can't remember who I just watched it with,
Speaker 1: but they're like, yep, holds up, yeah, I have some
Speaker 1: some fun behind the scenes facts about tell them so.
Speaker 1: In terms of possible casting, Deme Moore's character could have
Speaker 1: been Julia Roberts right, which would have made sense for
Speaker 1: the time, but thank god Harrison Ford was the original pick.
Speaker 1: But then and this really brings the view in and
Speaker 1: brings whoop be back, you know. But I guess the
Speaker 1: director or the writer I think exactly which I saw
Speaker 1: an interview with Patrick Swayze where he openly cried about
Speaker 1: the death of his father and they were like, Wow,
Speaker 1: what a hot man being sad in public. We've got
Speaker 1: to have him as as Sam Wheat, And so that's
Speaker 1: how Patrick Swayze got the part. And then Patrick Swayze,
Speaker 1: I guess Oprah was the original pick for to May Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they really wanted her, but Patrick Swayzey was like,
Speaker 1: you've gotta cast Whoopee and then what we had some
Speaker 1: amazing Oprah would have been just so different. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that role would have been funny, right, I
Speaker 1: don't think. And that's the thing is, I did not
Speaker 1: realize that. I just didn't have like I didn't recognize
Speaker 1: the name. But the I feel like the reason that
Speaker 1: Whoopie works so well in this movie and is like
Speaker 1: directed so well, and that this movie has so many
Speaker 1: funny moments is because it's the same director as Airplane
Speaker 1: and The Naked Gun. Oh. I didn't know. There's like
Speaker 1: just like a bunch of famous older comedy movies. Um,
Speaker 1: what a versatile director. That guy who directed it, Jerry
Speaker 1: Jerry Jerry Zucker, Yes, and then Robert Zemeckis I think
Speaker 1: was a producer on it. He was involved. He did
Speaker 1: a Back to the Future is another favorite of mine.
Speaker 1: It's my all time favorite. I just watched it last night. Really,
Speaker 1: I watch that there's like five movies that I will
Speaker 1: watch forever. I can do what you're able to do
Speaker 1: with ghosts basically reciting the entire script, all the dialogue.
Speaker 1: I can do that with Back to the Future. Such
Speaker 1: a great movie. Another very well crafted story, is it?
Speaker 1: It's a wild story? Well the first one, Like there's
Speaker 1: so much plant and payoff in that story, and just
Speaker 1: like every little detail gets paid off later on. Like
Speaker 1: so I like the third one better than the second one. Honestly,
Speaker 1: the second one kind of sucks. I like the second
Speaker 1: half of the second The second half of the second
Speaker 1: one is good because when he goes back to and
Speaker 1: then the wild wild last that's fun. I like it.
Speaker 1: That was that was three? Yeah, I go it goes
Speaker 1: one three two for me. Fair, I've got another effect
Speaker 1: about ghost Please please tell us this is This is
Speaker 1: fun and sort of speaks to um what we were
Speaker 1: talking about earlier of just like just write a female character. Um.
Speaker 1: Originally Otomy was written as a white male psychic character. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the first draft of this movie, right, I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever met Oh no, that's a lot. Well, no,
Speaker 1: he read my tarot cards, but like he was really
Speaker 1: I don't I've never read my cards were New Orleans.
Speaker 1: It's very strange, that is, Yeah, how did he fall
Speaker 1: into that? It was very bad? I handed him all
Speaker 1: the tarot cards upside down somehow, because he was like,
Speaker 1: handing to me anyway you want. So I twisted a
Speaker 1: bunch of them around and he went, huh, I don't
Speaker 1: know what that means. And I was like that you're
Speaker 1: bad at this. You're very bad at your job. They're
Speaker 1: straight men should not be allowed to read cards. They
Speaker 1: just shouldn't honestly, shouldn't be allowed to do anything in society. Yeah,
Speaker 1: noticed banned them from Ghost By apparently was written as
Speaker 1: a white male character. And then the writers of stand
Speaker 1: By Me, for some reason, there was some sort of conversation.
Speaker 1: You mean that movie was almost exclusively straight white man.
Speaker 1: You know, suggestions come from strange places. But they suggested, hey,
Speaker 1: that's an interesting character. What if it was a woman.
Speaker 1: And then the writer wrote otomy and the world was
Speaker 1: better off. So it's really not that difficult, and in fact,
Speaker 1: usually your output will benefit from another good female character.
Speaker 1: Do you think Molly and Otomy Brown retain a friendship
Speaker 1: and go remember that ghost The Molly otomy seemed that
Speaker 1: we as an audience don't get to see, Oh man,
Speaker 1: where is that? I love to watch them because let's
Speaker 1: Samy use her body and then they like dance and
Speaker 1: I think kiss right now, almost just stay there. I
Speaker 1: mean it's intimate, it's very intimate. But you get the
Speaker 1: beginning with Odomy's red fingernails as they like intertwined, so
Speaker 1: you know that this is the deal, Like it's not
Speaker 1: just like they're closing their eyes and like they're making
Speaker 1: physical contact. And then cut too, and and the scene
Speaker 1: that I like very clearly remembered was like, you know,
Speaker 1: like Swazie and to me reuniting beautiful and you're crying,
Speaker 1: but you just gotta go that whoopee is the one.
Speaker 1: And then you see at the end of that scene
Speaker 1: there's a very quick shot of them, you know, because
Speaker 1: then Tony goldans like hey, I'm about to die. And
Speaker 1: then and then you see them like physically separate. So
Speaker 1: you're like, oh that all happened. Why not just inter
Speaker 1: cut some of it for for us? And I was
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, whoopy and to me are
Speaker 1: at the same height. How did it work? How did
Speaker 1: she nestle her sweet little head? Gotta just suspend that disbelief.
Speaker 1: I did want to see that though. Well that brings
Speaker 1: up another point where men are always trying to control
Speaker 1: women's bodies. They're always trying to enter you. And the
Speaker 1: scene she gives, but earlier she not give consent. Orlando
Speaker 1: did not get consent. Nando, Like God, I forgot his
Speaker 1: name was Orlando? Oh, Nando, You can't be jumping into
Speaker 1: a bout as you know, that WAPs you out. I
Speaker 1: love that's a rule that this movie. Yeah, when they
Speaker 1: follow it, and it pays off later on because then
Speaker 1: Sam's like, I'm too tired and too weak, and then
Speaker 1: those cars get in trouble. But then you hear and
Speaker 1: he like push his carl and then all the ghosts.
Speaker 1: I liked in that big scene where suddenly out of
Speaker 1: May is an actual psychic and now she's there's like
Speaker 1: a million people in her room. All the ghosts are
Speaker 1: friends and they all know each other out. But then
Speaker 1: there's weird like it's just like the regular world where
Speaker 1: there's like the scary schizophrenic guy who hangs out at
Speaker 1: the tracks, but there's also a community that you can
Speaker 1: hang in, like there's all sorts of people. Here's a
Speaker 1: question and I don't know the answer. It's not a trick.
Speaker 1: Are there any female ghosts in the movie and dead husbands? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to tell in that scene because
Speaker 1: at sam Wat's funeral, he sees a ghost walks through
Speaker 1: the grave. And then when all when she tells all
Speaker 1: the ghosts to get out, I believe I saw someone
Speaker 1: in a skirt walk through the wall. That's yes, But
Speaker 1: there are no like real female ghosts who have a
Speaker 1: effect on the movie. They don't. They don't get they
Speaker 1: don't get Orlando moments. I mean when I'm glad Orlando,
Speaker 1: because that was like one of my that made me
Speaker 1: laugh really hard when well, I was annoyed that he like,
Speaker 1: without what these permission, enters your body, which is like,
Speaker 1: can we call it rape? But not ghost? Ghost rules
Speaker 1: are confusing, which are confusing that I loved that. I
Speaker 1: love the first time that Patrick Swayze someone like walks
Speaker 1: through him with his with their guts and You're like, no,
Speaker 1: Patrick Swayzy can see poorly random body animation. What a curse?
Speaker 1: I forgot that happened. And I love that he was
Speaker 1: so scared to go through he'd be like, oh no,
Speaker 1: oh no. Then he leaps through the door and he's
Speaker 1: like and he like looks back at the door and
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, dude, you're fucking ghost. What don't you
Speaker 1: get And then when he goes to the turnstile for
Speaker 1: the first time and he like stops and looks back.
Speaker 1: You're a ghost. Keep going, he's new, he doesn't know
Speaker 1: every single time or yeah, whenever he sticks his head through,
Speaker 1: something's like is this safe? Yes, and you're like, you're
Speaker 1: a goddamn ghost. You are fine, You're fine. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of great Swayzy reaction shot when he finds when
Speaker 1: he finds out Carl is betraying him the first I
Speaker 1: thought you were my friends, right, But but first that
Speaker 1: long shot of just Swayze's eyes watering, like, but I
Speaker 1: thought friendship was forever, so beautiful. Oh, this movie is
Speaker 1: so fun and I love really some woman knows where
Speaker 1: you live. A lot of women know where I live.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the climactic sequence at the end,
Speaker 1: whenever Carl's like banging on the door he breaks in.
Speaker 1: Sam is all weak because he's just been inside of May.
Speaker 1: And then Molly and Otomy are kind of like left
Speaker 1: to fend for themselves for a few minutes and they
Speaker 1: go up to the roof and there's a moment where
Speaker 1: Molly tackles Carl Um when yeah, like Carl's kind of
Speaker 1: attacking oto May, Molly attacks him, gets away, but then
Speaker 1: he holds a gun to Molly's head. Then Sam needs
Speaker 1: to save her. It always bugs me when a man
Speaker 1: needs to save a woman because it's a trope that
Speaker 1: happens again and again. Yes, but I do think those
Speaker 1: women were smart enough that they could have saved themselves
Speaker 1: if given enough time. Yeah, I think so. I think
Speaker 1: they could have figured something out because I do think
Speaker 1: they were strong women. But yes, then Sam comes and
Speaker 1: he flicks the gun away, and then he pushes Carl,
Speaker 1: and then I mean Carl kind of kills himself because
Speaker 1: because he flings that look and it hits the window
Speaker 1: and then the glass falls down and impales him. And
Speaker 1: then his little thing he wipes down the window and
Speaker 1: he's like his death is like hilariously gruesome. It's very gruesome.
Speaker 1: That was what I that most scared me the first
Speaker 1: time I shot like Carl's I remember having dreams about
Speaker 1: it because it was so It's weird with this movie
Speaker 1: because they do like get a ship and a fucking
Speaker 1: there every once in a that they don't need to
Speaker 1: and they don't need to impale him like that. But
Speaker 1: I'm so glad to know, but I'm glad they did.
Speaker 1: And then when he comes up from his dead body
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey Sam, and it's like what you
Speaker 1: can't know? You know what just happened? Were not cool? No,
Speaker 1: you guys can't be friends now you're both dead, and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, Carl. And then the little little mentors,
Speaker 1: like those things scared me when I was little. I
Speaker 1: was like, I hope they don't get me in my bed. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're just little de mentors. Yeah. Then they make that noise.
Speaker 1: And my favorite part is when Willie Lopez gets hit
Speaker 1: by three cars and then they like show him dead
Speaker 1: and then you hear in the background that dude is dead.
Speaker 1: It's obviously an extra who is just like someone needs
Speaker 1: to say I want to say it, I'll say it.
Speaker 1: And he probably said it every take and someone probably
Speaker 1: was like, hey, man, don't say that again. But then
Speaker 1: they saw it, like the dailies were like, oh no,
Speaker 1: that's a that's great. We have to keep it. You
Speaker 1: know what. This guy's getting his sad probably from that
Speaker 1: dude is dead. He went from being a featured extra
Speaker 1: to it's good for him. Perfect. Can we talk about
Speaker 1: how okay. So it's implied in the movie that cats
Speaker 1: can see or sense ghosts because Sam we figures it
Speaker 1: out and then he uses it to advantage to scare
Speaker 1: off Will Lopez. So I would just like to, for
Speaker 1: the record, just remind everyone that cats do have eight
Speaker 1: nipples and they can see ghosts nipples. This has been
Speaker 1: cat facts with Caitlin. Eight nipples ghosts and you didn't
Speaker 1: realize how many nipples you've grazed And it was a
Speaker 1: boycat boycats. That was your question, all question. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: stand by it. All mammal male, female, gender non binary
Speaker 1: animals and people. All mammals have nipples because all embryos
Speaker 1: start out as female and grow little nipples, and then
Speaker 1: a certain like hormone is introduced in the womb to
Speaker 1: determine whether or not it's it ends up being maybe
Speaker 1: it's probably like a litter of kittens thing like cats
Speaker 1: have tend to have so many babies at once that
Speaker 1: they need more nipples. There's a direct correlation to like
Speaker 1: how many offspring a mammal has at a time to
Speaker 1: how many nipples they So we're only twins, two little nippies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you should be double fisted. Honestly, humans should only have
Speaker 1: one boob, imagine because we only have usually one baby
Speaker 1: at a time. So I'm going to campaign for a
Speaker 1: one boob movement. Well, then I should have no titties.
Speaker 1: I don't want babies upset me. I want to pull
Speaker 1: my boobs and have one good one great tips. I
Speaker 1: want to have one decup instead, and said to too
Speaker 1: little midgets, it's fine, it's it's manageable in the heat.
Speaker 1: I accept it. I mean, yeah, big old titties in
Speaker 1: the heat. That can't be fun. Right, I want and
Speaker 1: I want in the winter. But keep time of year.
Speaker 1: I'm grateful this time of year. I count my blessings. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: this has been a very enlightening des Niptalk Nip Nip
Speaker 1: nip Talk, nip Talk, nip slash talk. That's the name
Speaker 1: of this podcast. There we go. Hey, let's talk about
Speaker 1: whether or not ghost passes the Bechtel test. I see,
Speaker 1: I I haven't told this, but I think it does.
Speaker 1: I think it technically. Okay, are you your point please? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: I wrote in a few different places. You're right. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't think that the police scene doesn't pass because
Speaker 1: the officer doesn't have a name. Do we ever find
Speaker 1: out Odemy's sisters names, because there's an extreme I do
Speaker 1: not think they do have names. They do have names.
Speaker 1: I just I by the time it occurred to me
Speaker 1: that I should have known their names, it was too late.
Speaker 1: And you were right. Because they have a conversation about
Speaker 1: our cineo hall oh wait, that's a man by our rules.
Speaker 1: They just have to have There has to be two
Speaker 1: lines of dialogue where they talk about yeah, and they
Speaker 1: talk about Otomy, and they talk about like, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't have the quote in front of me, but
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you know, she finally got the power
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then there's a response that also has
Speaker 1: to do with Otomy, and I wish I had written
Speaker 1: down the exact exchange, but I think I because I
Speaker 1: detailed all of these they technically don't have names. They
Speaker 1: don't they are credited and I am dB as Odomy's
Speaker 1: sister and Odomy's sister. So those scenes where there are
Speaker 1: women interacting. It starts off with Otomy and Mrs Santiago,
Speaker 1: who does have a name, but they talk only about
Speaker 1: Mrs Santiago's dead husband, so that does not pass. Then
Speaker 1: we've got odom May and her sisters. During the scene
Speaker 1: where Sam is all like, I'm a ghost and you
Speaker 1: can hear me, and now you have the gift that
Speaker 1: you didn't think you had, her sisters are like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's talking crazy. She hit her head harder than we thought.
Speaker 1: The other ones like she was talking to nobody before
Speaker 1: she even hit her head, So that would pack as
Speaker 1: the test if we knew their names, but we don't.
Speaker 1: Then we've got Auto May calling Molly on the phone
Speaker 1: to be like, I'm a spiritual reader and I have
Speaker 1: a message from your friend Sam doesn't pass. Talking about Sam.
Speaker 1: Then the scene where Automy goes to Molly's apartment, same
Speaker 1: thing doesn't pass because they only talk about Sam and
Speaker 1: all the things like because she's trying to convince her
Speaker 1: I've got your dad friend. Then we've got the cop
Speaker 1: who is the woman who is all like, I'm never
Speaker 1: going to take my clothes off again. If there's ghosts everywhere,
Speaker 1: we don't know her name does not pass. And then
Speaker 1: we've got Auto May in the psychic shop talking to
Speaker 1: another lady who's trying to communicate with her dead husband.
Speaker 1: They either only talk about a man. Either way, that
Speaker 1: woman is not named I have. I have like a
Speaker 1: sneaking feeling that there is, and I wasn't doing the
Speaker 1: close enough notes that that I should have been doing.
Speaker 1: But I do think that there is an exchange in
Speaker 1: this movie somewhere that likely technically passes. But I don't
Speaker 1: think that that between and Molly. Yes, probably, but I
Speaker 1: think it happens. They always talk about Sam. But if
Speaker 1: I mean, but even if there's like the next I
Speaker 1: think an exchange the lines between them of like do
Speaker 1: you believe yes or no? Like that is the type
Speaker 1: of exchange that would pass, right, It would be, but
Speaker 1: it would be so fleeting right right, it's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: one of those if it's barely right. I think this
Speaker 1: does pretty right by its female characters. I think they're
Speaker 1: both well developed and because like May is just such
Speaker 1: a like dynamic character, just like she's so fun and
Speaker 1: fun to watch, and Molly is also again she's dealing
Speaker 1: with a lot of ship, but she's serving the story.
Speaker 1: So I think the movie treats its female characters well,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it passes the Bechdel tests because
Speaker 1: every conversation where women are talking, they're either not named
Speaker 1: or they're talking about Sam. So that is my stance.
Speaker 1: But as we've only Swaysy weren't such a lurker, right,
Speaker 1: or if we just got maybe like a scene of
Speaker 1: Aftermath after Sam goes to heaven and then is like, well,
Speaker 1: it's nice meeting you. You want to get some ice cream?
Speaker 1: You owe me money. I did a lot of work
Speaker 1: for Sam, and please give me a hundred dollars that
Speaker 1: could pass the test. And also she would get the
Speaker 1: money I feel she's entitled to. And I don't think
Speaker 1: that dem would be stingy about it. No, she'd be like,
Speaker 1: she'd be like, and also, here's a weird pottery I made.
Speaker 1: I mean, she helps save her life. To me, was
Speaker 1: going to get murdered by Willy Lopez otherwise, so or
Speaker 1: Carl or car Yeah, one or the other. But as
Speaker 1: we've often mentioned, the Bechtel test isn't necessarily like, it's
Speaker 1: not the end all be all, like if this movie
Speaker 1: does pass the test, it's great to women, and if
Speaker 1: it doesn't, it's bad like shitty movies. It's like like, like,
Speaker 1: what the guild, But aren't they Oh, I guess they're
Speaker 1: not constantly talking about Colin Farrell. There's like three scenes
Speaker 1: where they're like, let's talk about our French lessons. Here's
Speaker 1: a fun one that passes. Sister act Yes, and I
Speaker 1: love that that. It's a there's a real Whoopie Goldberg
Speaker 1: career Foreshadow and Ghost where they're like, give the money
Speaker 1: to the nuns and she's like, no, none suck. For
Speaker 1: some variation on that, Nicle probably knows the exact line,
Speaker 1: give money to a bunch of nuns. They can't even like,
Speaker 1: they can't even buy panny y. That was a great
Speaker 1: like end ending line to a senior, always end on
Speaker 1: a button. I'm trying to think of other favorite movies
Speaker 1: and if they pass, are probably not. Twang Foo passes,
Speaker 1: Thanks for everything, Julie Newmar, we see my cousin Vinny
Speaker 1: does not pass. I wouldn't think so. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: it in a long time. I think Mercy to me
Speaker 1: is the only female archer who speaks. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's another woman for her. I've not seen it, but
Speaker 1: that sounds about right. Eddie passies. Another Whoopie Goldberg movie,
Speaker 1: Eddie that passes because she has a friend and they
Speaker 1: talk about basketball. A nice white lady. I like how
Speaker 1: this movie. I mean, there's not a whole lot of
Speaker 1: like tackling race in this movie. But there's a few
Speaker 1: different lines where Odom will be like you're a white guy,
Speaker 1: aren't you? Like and then and then she sees a
Speaker 1: picture of Sam and she's like, oh, you're cute, cute
Speaker 1: white guy. Yeah, and then oh yeah the line where
Speaker 1: she's basically like, uh wait I wrote down when Whoopy
Speaker 1: goldbergs like you know are you? Are you hit? And
Speaker 1: then she's just like literally like a white guy? Why me? Like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't. It doesn't truly tackle race, but it does
Speaker 1: tackle that like she lives in a bad area and
Speaker 1: a murderer lives in her neighborhood, and this white guy
Speaker 1: is very concerned about his white fiance who lives in
Speaker 1: a good area. So I think, I don't it's does
Speaker 1: It doesn't tackle race at all, but like I it
Speaker 1: does tackle like she's like, oh shit, like there's bad
Speaker 1: ship happening in my neighborhood and I'm hoping out this
Speaker 1: white man like you're dead. Yeah, I think let's write
Speaker 1: the movie. We we rate each movie on our Nipple
Speaker 1: scale nipple scale of one to eight. We should adjust
Speaker 1: it for cats. For any movie with a cat in it,
Speaker 1: we should know, but we do. On a scale of
Speaker 1: one to five nipples. No animals have only five nipples,
Speaker 1: unless maybe they started out with six or eight and
Speaker 1: some of them were surly them off. Oh boy, I
Speaker 1: would hate having my nipples are removed. Yeah, I give
Speaker 1: it five Little nippies. It's literally my favorite movie in
Speaker 1: the whole world world. We we we rate it on our
Speaker 1: it's portrayal of female Yeah, I stand by Drive Little Nippies.
Speaker 1: I think the women are great in the movie. I'm
Speaker 1: going to give it four. It get some marks off.
Speaker 1: I don't like that the women have to be saved
Speaker 1: by Sam at the end. That's a trump that's always
Speaker 1: gonna bug me. It's still Sam driving the story it is.
Speaker 1: He's the protagonist, so that makes sense. But I feel like, maybe,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Molly couldn't maybe have a little more
Speaker 1: to do or because she is kind of passive. There's
Speaker 1: also a scene where Willie Lopez is like watching her undress,
Speaker 1: which I guess, like, sure, that's to communicate to the
Speaker 1: audience she's in danger, this is scary. But then Odamy
Speaker 1: tells her, yeah, he watched you undressing. Whatever. But that
Speaker 1: scene like didn't really need to happen, like, we don't.
Speaker 1: Why do we have to see like a voyeuristic naked
Speaker 1: lady scene. She's not. She's also think it paints how
Speaker 1: gross Willie is. Yeah, but and then he gets scratched
Speaker 1: by a cat, which does have eight nipples, so in
Speaker 1: a way, it's an eight out of it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that Molly and especially Otomy are just really interesting,
Speaker 1: multidimensional characters that are enjoyable to watch. And there wasn't
Speaker 1: any moment where I was just like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: like this. There are opportunities where it could pass the
Speaker 1: Bechdel test, but there the whole thing is about a man,
Speaker 1: their relationship otomy, and Molly's relationship is completely contextualized by
Speaker 1: this man. So if they talked about other stuff, would
Speaker 1: it make sense for the movie? Maybe not, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. Just throw a line in there. Oh did
Speaker 1: you watch Oprah yesterday? Yeah? I loved it? How about you? Too? Bad?
Speaker 1: She didn't get this part that's gonna happen? Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: get I'll give it a ford to based on I mean,
Speaker 1: the two main female characters are both and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have said this for Molly the last time I saw it,
Speaker 1: but after seeing her this time through our are both
Speaker 1: really well developed and have very clear, strong motivations and
Speaker 1: their storylines. Although they are propelled forward by men, they
Speaker 1: seem like two independent women with heads on their shoulders
Speaker 1: and deal with problems in a way that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean basically just uh, the one nip off based
Speaker 1: on missed opportunities and less so having to do with
Speaker 1: Odomy and while because I feel like it would be
Speaker 1: disingenuous to the story if they like ended up being
Speaker 1: best friends like that that would not happen in real life,
Speaker 1: but missed opportunities more in terms of it would have
Speaker 1: been very easy to give Otomy's sisters names. It would
Speaker 1: have been very easy to not have almost all male ghosts.
Speaker 1: It would have you know, it would have been very
Speaker 1: easy to flip one of um Odomy's clients into a
Speaker 1: man trying to talk to his wife, you know, like
Speaker 1: they're just little stuff like that. Uh. Four nipples. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give two to both of Otomy's unnamed sisters. I
Speaker 1: do like that of the women with speaking roles in
Speaker 1: this movie, they are almost all women of color because
Speaker 1: it's o May her sister's Mrs Santiago. Molly's kind of
Speaker 1: the only white woman. Yeah, you don't very much of
Speaker 1: her world, which is like interesting, like you get the
Speaker 1: you get that, like Sam's a Wall Street broker or whatever.
Speaker 1: But then like they spent a lot of time in
Speaker 1: Brooklyn in Prospect Park, I think is where it would
Speaker 1: be like, which was like not gentrified, so like everybody
Speaker 1: on the street as a person of color, like it
Speaker 1: was on the subway to I think they did a
Speaker 1: great job of depicting New York because so many movies
Speaker 1: will be in New York and they'll be like in
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and it's like filled with white people. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know where you are, but now I do.
Speaker 1: Now it's any part of Brooklyn very gentrified. Take some notes.
Speaker 1: So how dare you have a Civil war movie without
Speaker 1: somebody being like, here's your tea. It's like, come on now, Nicole,
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