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Speaker 1: On The Bechdel Cast. The questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef in best

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hi, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie, my name is Caitlin.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a very spooky episode. I wanted the confidence

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Speaker 1: to open with a spooky but I did not. Um.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Beachdel Cast. This is our podcast where

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Speaker 1: we talk about the role of women in movies. Hey,

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Speaker 1: why is it called the Bechdel Cast Because it's inspired

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Speaker 1: by the Bechdel Test by Mr Jerry Bechdel. Jerry Tyrone Bechdel.

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Speaker 1: I'm man, just kidding. Alison Bechdel developed a test whereby

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Speaker 1: two women in a movie have to talk to each other,

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Speaker 1: they have to have names. First of all, they have

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Speaker 1: to talk to each other. Their conversation has to be

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Speaker 1: about some thing other than a man. Is this too

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Speaker 1: much to ask of any movie? Usually? Yeah, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: think so. But you think it would just be really

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Speaker 1: easy to write two women into your story and have

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Speaker 1: them talk about a fucking sandwich or something. Yeah, Hey,

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Speaker 1: nice sandwich. Thank you. My name is Carrie. My name

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Speaker 1: is Carrie Done. Two women named carry talking about a

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Speaker 1: A R y the other one spells at c A

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Speaker 1: R R I E. Yeah. But still this never happened.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm so angry so far, but

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Speaker 1: I'm I have a Mike's Hard. I have a Mike's

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Speaker 1: Hard Lemonade. You never have a Mike's Hard lemonade. I

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Speaker 1: know we both have one. For the record, I love

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Speaker 1: when people who listen to the podcast tweet pictures of

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Speaker 1: them drinking Mike's Hard Lemonade to us, just to check

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Speaker 1: in and be like, hey, we're supporting the brand that

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Speaker 1: you've never received any financial support from. You just happened

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Speaker 1: to be a fan of their products. And to you, guys,

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Speaker 1: I say, hey, thank you. Keep enjoying the Mike's brand.

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Speaker 1: I know waiting at us with your photo of it

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Speaker 1: Mike's Hard Lemonade. Answer our tweets, please send us a

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Speaker 1: case enable us. Anyways, it's got a nice cold Mike's

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Speaker 1: Hard Lemonade in hand, strawberry lemonade. Baby Aristotle was giving

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Speaker 1: us a hard time about it, because he was like,

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Speaker 1: isn't that the bad flavor? And it's like, well, isn't

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Speaker 1: every flavor the bad flavor of misade? So true tastes

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Speaker 1: like my problematic past. Speaking of problems now anyway, Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's introduce our guest. Hey, I'm excited for it to

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Speaker 1: talk about today's movie, and it'll explain the spooky the

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Speaker 1: failed spooky motif. We did a great job. But hey,

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Speaker 1: before we talk about that, let's introduce our guests. You've

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Speaker 1: got a terrific comedian, very funny lady. You know we're

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Speaker 1: from Girl Code on MTV. That cute dogs, Nicole Buyers.

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Speaker 1: I love how the original segue was speaking of problematic here.

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Speaker 1: I know it didn't make any sense. I was like,

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Speaker 1: this is a dumb transition. Now I liked it, and

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Speaker 1: I wish you had an abandon and I wish you

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Speaker 1: had doubled down, Like this woman is a real problem.

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Speaker 1: She got here five minutes late. She's bad. She's not

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Speaker 1: drinking a Mike's hard lemonade. She's a bad potato only

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Speaker 1: because we didn't offer you one. No, it's okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go to the gym after this. Oh you're a

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Speaker 1: better woman than we are. We're literally going to get

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Speaker 1: movie Ghosts. When did you first see the movie? Um,

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Speaker 1: A lot of the things went over my head. But

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Speaker 1: I just loved Whoopie Goldberg. I thought she was so

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Speaker 1: time in college. Remembered the very famous pottery fox. Of course,

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Speaker 1: and then I rewatched it again for this episode, and

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Speaker 1: It's a great movie that would never get made today, right,

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Speaker 1: a Ghost Story starring Ruoney Mara and Casey Affleck, and

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Speaker 1: the problematic, speaking of problematics, the log line is in

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Speaker 1: I'm all for covering Casey have like in a sheet

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Speaker 1: wherever he may be. What is it called a ghost story?

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Speaker 1: July seven. Okay, it has sent on rotten tomatoes. Oh

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Speaker 1: I just shall we go see it? Honestly, maybe we

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Speaker 1: reviewing movies? Who we are? Who's a roper? Roper? Al? Oh? Fuck?

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Speaker 1: and Siskel died? Oh so who replaced Ebert? No one?

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Speaker 1: in Heaven't like, how come I got replaced? Replaceable? But

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Speaker 1: then would turn this song on while we would pass

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Speaker 1: When did you first se this movie? I saw it

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Speaker 1: us one of her weird, horny movies. This was one

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Speaker 1: a liover go? I'm a Leo. Oh, I'm a virgo.

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Speaker 1: people like I don't know how to write women. Just

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Speaker 1: Ghost Goes is a fun movie that doesn't suck the

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Speaker 1: Ghost Molly Molly Jensen. Molly Jensen is married to Sam Waite.

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Speaker 1: he ghosted her the Ultimate ghost in Ultimate Ghost Her,

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Speaker 1: but then like hung around. Yeah, he's like every fucking

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Speaker 1: follow your every Move's gonna watch you. Another man comes

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm mad. I think we pretty much already

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Speaker 1: recaped love the kick a can scene, the whole montage

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Speaker 1: if someone knows how to do this, please put that

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Speaker 1: love it. There's also just like, okay, I know that

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Speaker 1: other ghosts. No, he's waiting for his wife to die. Yeah?

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Speaker 1: and She's like, whenever it was like a shot on

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00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: just me. Swazie was off on the side moon and

422
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: me making me laugh. What a goofball, what a warrior

423
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: arrest in paradise and you're just like they were good friends.

424
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: That makes me so happy because they had they have

425
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: such a great chemistry together. It's so it's so much

426
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: fun to watch them together. I don't know, it makes

427
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: me feel like a kid to be like, oh, man,

428
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: I hope they're really friends in real life. But it

429
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: may be they were really friends in real life. But okay,

430
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk about that scene where she

431
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: effectively proposes to him. It's right before he gets murdered,

432
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: which is just more great writing. I never started telling

433
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: chance to get married, but she's like, I want to

434
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: marry you. I've been thinking about a lot, and I

435
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: think we should just do it. And he's like, well,

436
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: you never wanted to talk about it. So the implication

437
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: is that maybe he proposed, or maybe he was just like, hey,

438
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: are we gonna get married? Like what's going on? And

439
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: she's like, well, no, like which I like because so

440
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: often in movies and just society in general, this idea

441
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: is put forth that if you're in a hetero relationship,

442
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: women are just like I can't wait to get married

443
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: and want to get me so much and I can't

444
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: wait till it happens. I just want to have to

445
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: sit around and wait till he asks me. And I

446
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: can't wait for that day because it's gonna be the

447
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: best day in my life. And just so I like

448
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: that she was the one who was like, actually, I

449
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. It's not important to

450
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: me right now. And then finally it was on her

451
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: terms where she's like hey, She's like I thought about

452
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: it and I'm ready. Yeah. Yeah, I think Molly is

453
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: you can like write her off. Is like just like

454
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: this whiny, sad, widowed woman, but like she's pretty complex.

455
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: She's got short hair, which is the baldest woman is

456
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: in charge, and then she has her own business. She's

457
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: like a pretty successful sculptor. She wears masculine clothing, she

458
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: wears like overalls and stuff, but then she has like

459
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: a soft feminine sign and then she proposes to her boyfriend. Yeah, like,

460
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: I I like her character. I like that she and

461
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: then like the fact that she did go to the

462
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: police to talk about a ghost. Takes a lot of

463
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: balls to be like, well, I mean I don't know,

464
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: this ship seems true. Let me fucking figure this out.

465
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: And she was like totally aware of how crazy she sounds.

466
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: She's like, I know this sounds so stupid, but like

467
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: I gotta hear me out. And it was also the

468
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: way that the scenes between her and outamate and we'll

469
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: get to also Patrick Spacey play out was also believable,

470
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: and that she does not respond to Odamy the first time,

471
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: because that was probably scary and confusing, but then eventually,

472
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: I mean it, that seemed like a realistic betrayal of

473
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: grief of like, Okay, there's been enough specifics and like,

474
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: what do I have to lose by just listening to

475
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: this person a little bit? And that sort of is

476
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: like and even down to like the shirtless Tony Goldwin

477
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: the deceiver, that's a very common and that was something

478
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: that and not to get personal, but like that was

479
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: something that resonated with me specifically of like the deceased

480
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: man's best friend trying to look out for not quite

481
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: the widow, but basically the widow of his best friend.

482
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: I feel like that's sort of a normalized thing of like, well,

483
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: if his friend can't take care of her, then you know,

484
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: he'll take care of her. And I think that that's

485
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: a creepy thing and the reason that my uncle Butch

486
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: is in my life and I hate Uncle Butch, but

487
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: he's the Tony Goldwin except a liar and not hot.

488
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: But anyways, I but it was even realistic how those

489
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: scenes played out between the two of them. Of like,

490
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: you know that dem Moore's characters really isolated herself from people,

491
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: and Tony Goldwyn is one of the only people she

492
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: really trusts and has a connection with because she knew

493
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: and and so even the fact that they might have

494
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: hooked up if Patrick Swayzy hadn't overture of himself remember me. Oh.

495
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: Then also, Carl was pushing Molly so hard to like

496
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: get over it. I feel like that happens a lot

497
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: when a loved one passes away. The people around you

498
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: were like, you have to move on. It's like well,

499
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: and I like that she like slapped him at one

500
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: point and she was like, no, Carl, and it was like, yeah, Carl,

501
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: let her fucking grieve, even though I know that, like

502
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: you murdered her boyfriend, Like if you hadn't let her grieve,

503
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: still be wrong even if you murder. Yeah. Oh, I'd

504
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: like to propose a new movie role that I noticed

505
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: in this movie The Man in the Loosest Khakis is

506
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: up to something before and well because Patrick Swayze, who

507
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: in their right mind would put a pair of loose

508
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: khakis on Patrick Swayze, He's got the bus but the

509
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: butt of the center so there, so he's in tight

510
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: pants the whole time. But Tony Goldwin, they they like

511
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: to put him in loser. Yeah, I guess I gotta

512
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: go and attention to that. You know what scene. I

513
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: really love the elevator scene in the beginning, it's like

514
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: towards the beginning, they're like, in the elevator they talk

515
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: about how Karl needs to pay off his Mustang. They

516
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: get in the elevator and then he starts coughing and

517
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: he's like the doctor says, it's contagious, and uh, I

518
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: do that often. I won't do sickness. But when I'm

519
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: in an elevator with my roommate, I'll look at him

520
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: and I'll go, why won't you just have a baby

521
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: with me? And he goes, now is not the time,

522
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like, please, when is the time to talk? John?

523
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: I love you? And then he always like, it's into

524
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: exactly what I want, even though he doesn't mean to it.

525
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: He'll be like I'm never taking elevated with you again,

526
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like why are we fighting? And he's like

527
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: stop it. And then people are always like, oh no,

528
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: that's very funny. That's a great scene because it's basically

529
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: it's like it uses a diversion so that we won't

530
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: suspect Carl is this evil militias there showing how close

531
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: they are. The movie is really well written and very

532
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: well executed. It's a great movie. I was blown at

533
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: how many different points. I'm like, wow, I didn't I

534
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: forgot that part happened. And that's so smart because every

535
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: scene has a purpose that never happens never. It's so well.

536
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: It's so famous for the pottery Fox scene, which actually

537
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: makes me furious because but it's so horny. She's sculpting

538
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: az if you will out of clay and he puts

539
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: his hand into it, sucks it up, and she's just

540
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: like okay. But I feel like she did a good

541
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: job of being like, huh, well it's not now, because

542
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: she does get a little terse with him, and I

543
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I like that. That's like a real relationship.

544
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: I would have like elbowed him in the face and

545
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: been like fuck you, you ruined, but but then you

546
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: win and get to funk. When I was little, I

547
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: was like, why aren't their hands dirty? How did they

548
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: did they clean? What makes me furious? So they get

549
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: all that, they get all I know, I know, but

550
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: I just well, I want to see a tense scene

551
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: of penersuavy and for me more washing their hands and

552
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: we're going to hook. So even before that, when they're

553
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: like getting their hands all dirty, I just and it's

554
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: supposed to be very hot because they're running on their

555
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: hands on each other and getting each other more laid.

556
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 1: To me, that so grows. I think sex should be

557
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: in a sterile environment, in a white room. We're not

558
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: all gonna pods unchane melody playing while their little fingies

559
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: are touching. And I think no part of two people's

560
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: bodies should touch during sex except for their genitals. I

561
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: think people should just be far, just farm and just

562
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: just rusting and receiving. Yes, that is how I think

563
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: sex should be. So this scene here's a fun to

564
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: Really I asked my old roommate Evan to take my

565
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 1: virginity and he said okay, and he's gay, and I

566
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: was like, okay, but I don't want you to touch

567
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: me because that might change our relationship. So I was like,

568
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: I will wear a crotchless le a tart or like

569
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: a snap crotch last, and you can interview that way,

570
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: but do not touch my titties, and do not touch

571
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: my face and don't kiss me. We didn't end up

572
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: having sex because I had too many rules. He was like,

573
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: I can't just like do my thing, and I was like, no, no,

574
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: absolutely not the best. Yes, it was definitely for the best.

575
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: It would have been fun for either one of us.

576
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: You've been like I wish you were a man. I'd

577
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: be like, I wish you were a straight man who

578
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: loved me. Well, anyway, that that the part where he's

579
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: where is it? Hope that wasn't a masterpiece did make

580
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: me laugh because I was trying to like in my head,

581
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, what if she had done like what if

582
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: she was an oil painter? And he just was like,

583
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: wasn't a masterpiece? Would you like to fuck me? I

584
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: mean that's with any creative job. I imagine she was

585
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: doing a stand up show and he walked on stage

586
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: was like, I hope you weren't trying to have a

587
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: good set. Yeah, or if she was a surgeon, he

588
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 1: just came in and stuck his hand and a body.

589
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: This wasn't a casualty. He heckled her pottery. But okay,

590
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: here's a plot. Hole does bother me? He passes away.

591
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: It seems like he's pretty well off. He's doing well

592
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: in his profession. There's a promotion on the table, etcetera.

593
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 1: They just moved into this really nice apartment. Are we

594
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: to expect on a potter sal She can afford this

595
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: apartment by herself life insurance and then they do packages

596
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: when people die. They give you a bunch of money

597
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: to loved ones when you have a good job. And

598
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: then if they had sold any assets, so like if

599
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: they each owned a home and sold it or whatever,

600
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: she would get the money from his house, so it

601
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: could work. Yesbsolutely yeh. Dead people with good jobs usually

602
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: take care of you, Okay, Because it was like I

603
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: didn't want her to move, but I was just like,

604
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: how that's a great apartment. They live in New York

605
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: and she has like a Also, remember it's the eighties

606
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: or the early nineties and he and he works in

607
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: finance in some ways, so we're to believe he like cats. Okay,

608
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: that brings up a point I wanted to talk about.

609
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: He never offers to nor pays what Pio Goldberg's character

610
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: for all of her services. Oh no, he should be

611
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: like like a mutual well kind I mean, no, a

612
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: ghost can't pay you. Well, but he could have been like, hey, Molly,

613
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: throw her a bone. Well, I think she's gonna be

614
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: fine because she can hear ghosts and she can charge more.

615
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: Remember when he goes back and she was like, I

616
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: got ghosts from New Jersey coming in. And then uh,

617
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: that woman was just like where's the money. And then

618
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: that man jumps in her money and wouldn't you do

619
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: to your hair? Do you like it? It's autumn sunra.

620
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: That's so good. It's very funny. But I think she

621
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: because he did help her. He showed her that she

622
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: can speak to dead people, so then she will always

623
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: be busy and she can charge so much money. Sure,

624
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: I still I think that he should have offered to pay,

625
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: especially because he kind of teases her with like you're

626
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: going to get formed, or like he doesn't tease her.

627
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: He shouldn't know how much money he was murdered for.

628
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: He just knew it was money. So then when that's

629
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: why when the guy goes, oh, you are taking out

630
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: four million dollars and she goes four million? Do say yes?

631
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: Say yes? How would you like that? Tess in twenties?

632
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: Excuse me? Cash? She has check? I think a cash

633
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: she has check is best. I love it. I her

634
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: outfit that hole, It's like it's perfect. And she's like,

635
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: you don't like my outfit. He's like, no, I love

636
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: it's great. Don't change, Nicole. I want to see your

637
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: one woman show where you just reenact the entire movie

638
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: of GHOL. I mean, if they ever do a remix

639
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: and I am not casting it, I will literally end

640
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: my love. I love it so much. I just got overwhelmed. Well,

641
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: I mean, and also, we haven't talked about Odomay his

642
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: first outfit with the fun when her sister opens, oh, no,

643
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: one's in the door, and then and think, or no,

644
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: is it bronze? Or is it is it like maybe

645
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: a closet is orange? Maybe, but she's had a metallic

646
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: like golden robe. And then and then does this amazing

647
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: Oh god, and Patrick Swayze as most of like most

648
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: scenes in the movie, lurking, Patrick Swayzy really mastered a

649
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: resting expression in this movie, just like yeah, but but

650
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: in a way that was very You're like, you know,

651
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: he really is listening. He really is listening in that

652
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: beautiful bergun t shirt billowing, very billowing billowing. So we

653
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: talked a lot about Molly being a pretty complex character.

654
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: She's a little boring, especially when you compare her everybody

655
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: else in the movie she has. She's working with a lot.

656
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: Like growing up, I'd be like Molly, but then like

657
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: as I got older, I was like, oh no. She

658
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: was literally dealing with the love of her life, dying

659
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out this woman who says she

660
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: can hear him, and then a best friend he was like,

661
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: it's okay, come on, touch my body. And you know,

662
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: she's got a new house. It's a lot. She's dealing

663
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: with so much and she's still and she continues working.

664
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: And also they renovated it. It was fixed. It was

665
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: like just like an empty space. So I'm sure they

666
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: got it very cheaply, great time to die sway renovating stressful. Yeah.

667
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: I I was not like particularly impressed by her, like

668
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: because everything she does in the context of what happens

669
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: in the story and makes sense, and her reactions pretty

670
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: much universally makes sense to me. But things are usually

671
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: happening to her versus her doing things like she goes

672
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: to the police, but that doesn't really yield anything. It's

673
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: mostly we I feel like most things we see with her,

674
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,959
Speaker 1: she's receiving information right, so it's like, you know, which

675
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: makes sense because she's not really Sam Weeds, the protagonist

676
00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: of this story, makes sense that he's the one driving

677
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: the story. So the fact that she does pretty much

678
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: anything that influences anything is good because often women in

679
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: a story are just there is a set piece, really

680
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: just oh I look hot and I'm here to look

681
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: at and uh, that's all I have to Women in

682
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: this movie are treated well. I think. I think they're

683
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: well written, and they serve a purpose. Even that cop

684
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: being so nasty sets the tone of how Odemy is

685
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: going to be treated in that scene, because then the

686
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: other cop is like, we have her file, and it's like, oh,

687
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: oh no, and then it makes the audience even start

688
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: to well, not even doubt because we know, we know.

689
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: But when you're like, oh, ship, this may not work

690
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: out because ode May has a record and Will Lopez

691
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: is clean, we understand why Molly then might start to

692
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: question her own reality of what's happening, and we're so

693
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: it's like fuck. So it's like, really a great victory

694
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: when she starts to believe ode may again because we

695
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: see like she used to fake ideas. Con artist makes sense. Yeah, yeah,

696
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: it's we're so horny for this movie. It's such a

697
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: good movie. I can't remember who I just watched it with,

698
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: but they're like, yep, holds up, yeah, I have some

699
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: some fun behind the scenes facts about tell them so.

700
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: In terms of possible casting, Deme Moore's character could have

701
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: been Julia Roberts right, which would have made sense for

702
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: the time, but thank god Harrison Ford was the original pick.

703
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: But then and this really brings the view in and

704
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: brings whoop be back, you know. But I guess the

705
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: director or the writer I think exactly which I saw

706
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: an interview with Patrick Swayze where he openly cried about

707
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: the death of his father and they were like, Wow,

708
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: what a hot man being sad in public. We've got

709
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: to have him as as Sam Wheat, And so that's

710
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: how Patrick Swayze got the part. And then Patrick Swayze,

711
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: I guess Oprah was the original pick for to May Yeah,

712
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: and they really wanted her, but Patrick Swayzey was like,

713
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: you've gotta cast Whoopee and then what we had some

714
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: amazing Oprah would have been just so different. I don't

715
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: know if that role would have been funny, right, I

716
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: don't think. And that's the thing is, I did not

717
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: realize that. I just didn't have like I didn't recognize

718
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: the name. But the I feel like the reason that

719
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: Whoopie works so well in this movie and is like

720
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: directed so well, and that this movie has so many

721
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: funny moments is because it's the same director as Airplane

722
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: and The Naked Gun. Oh. I didn't know. There's like

723
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: just like a bunch of famous older comedy movies. Um,

724
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: what a versatile director. That guy who directed it, Jerry

725
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: Jerry Jerry Zucker, Yes, and then Robert Zemeckis I think

726
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: was a producer on it. He was involved. He did

727
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: a Back to the Future is another favorite of mine.

728
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: It's my all time favorite. I just watched it last night. Really,

729
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: I watch that there's like five movies that I will

730
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: watch forever. I can do what you're able to do

731
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: with ghosts basically reciting the entire script, all the dialogue.

732
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: I can do that with Back to the Future. Such

733
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: a great movie. Another very well crafted story, is it?

734
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: It's a wild story? Well the first one, Like there's

735
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: so much plant and payoff in that story, and just

736
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: like every little detail gets paid off later on. Like

737
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: so I like the third one better than the second one. Honestly,

738
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: the second one kind of sucks. I like the second

739
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: half of the second The second half of the second

740
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: one is good because when he goes back to and

741
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: then the wild wild last that's fun. I like it.

742
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: That was that was three? Yeah, I go it goes

743
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: one three two for me. Fair, I've got another effect

744
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: about ghost Please please tell us this is This is

745
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: fun and sort of speaks to um what we were

746
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: talking about earlier of just like just write a female character. Um.

747
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: Originally Otomy was written as a white male psychic character. Yeah,

748
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: the first draft of this movie, right, I don't think

749
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: I've ever met Oh no, that's a lot. Well, no,

750
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: he read my tarot cards, but like he was really

751
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: I don't I've never read my cards were New Orleans.

752
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: It's very strange, that is, Yeah, how did he fall

753
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: into that? It was very bad? I handed him all

754
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: the tarot cards upside down somehow, because he was like,

755
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: handing to me anyway you want. So I twisted a

756
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: bunch of them around and he went, huh, I don't

757
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: know what that means. And I was like that you're

758
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: bad at this. You're very bad at your job. They're

759
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: straight men should not be allowed to read cards. They

760
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: just shouldn't honestly, shouldn't be allowed to do anything in society. Yeah,

761
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: noticed banned them from Ghost By apparently was written as

762
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: a white male character. And then the writers of stand

763
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: By Me, for some reason, there was some sort of conversation.

764
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 1: You mean that movie was almost exclusively straight white man.

765
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: You know, suggestions come from strange places. But they suggested, hey,

766
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: that's an interesting character. What if it was a woman.

767
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: And then the writer wrote otomy and the world was

768
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: better off. So it's really not that difficult, and in fact,

769
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: usually your output will benefit from another good female character.

770
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: Do you think Molly and Otomy Brown retain a friendship

771
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: and go remember that ghost The Molly otomy seemed that

772
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: we as an audience don't get to see, Oh man,

773
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: where is that? I love to watch them because let's

774
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: Samy use her body and then they like dance and

775
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: I think kiss right now, almost just stay there. I

776
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: mean it's intimate, it's very intimate. But you get the

777
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: beginning with Odomy's red fingernails as they like intertwined, so

778
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: you know that this is the deal, Like it's not

779
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: just like they're closing their eyes and like they're making

780
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: physical contact. And then cut too, and and the scene

781
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: that I like very clearly remembered was like, you know,

782
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: like Swazie and to me reuniting beautiful and you're crying,

783
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: but you just gotta go that whoopee is the one.

784
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: And then you see at the end of that scene

785
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: there's a very quick shot of them, you know, because

786
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: then Tony goldans like hey, I'm about to die. And

787
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: then and then you see them like physically separate. So

788
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: you're like, oh that all happened. Why not just inter

789
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: cut some of it for for us? And I was

790
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, whoopy and to me are

791
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: at the same height. How did it work? How did

792
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: she nestle her sweet little head? Gotta just suspend that disbelief.

793
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: I did want to see that though. Well that brings

794
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: up another point where men are always trying to control

795
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: women's bodies. They're always trying to enter you. And the

796
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: scene she gives, but earlier she not give consent. Orlando

797
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: did not get consent. Nando, Like God, I forgot his

798
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: name was Orlando? Oh, Nando, You can't be jumping into

799
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: a bout as you know, that WAPs you out. I

800
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: love that's a rule that this movie. Yeah, when they

801
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: follow it, and it pays off later on because then

802
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: Sam's like, I'm too tired and too weak, and then

803
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: those cars get in trouble. But then you hear and

804
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: he like push his carl and then all the ghosts.

805
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: I liked in that big scene where suddenly out of

806
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: May is an actual psychic and now she's there's like

807
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: a million people in her room. All the ghosts are

808
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: friends and they all know each other out. But then

809
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: there's weird like it's just like the regular world where

810
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: there's like the scary schizophrenic guy who hangs out at

811
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: the tracks, but there's also a community that you can

812
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: hang in, like there's all sorts of people. Here's a

813
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: question and I don't know the answer. It's not a trick.

814
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: Are there any female ghosts in the movie and dead husbands? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

815
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to tell in that scene because

816
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: at sam Wat's funeral, he sees a ghost walks through

817
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: the grave. And then when all when she tells all

818
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: the ghosts to get out, I believe I saw someone

819
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: in a skirt walk through the wall. That's yes, But

820
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: there are no like real female ghosts who have a

821
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: effect on the movie. They don't. They don't get they

822
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: don't get Orlando moments. I mean when I'm glad Orlando,

823
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: because that was like one of my that made me

824
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: laugh really hard when well, I was annoyed that he like,

825
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: without what these permission, enters your body, which is like,

826
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: can we call it rape? But not ghost? Ghost rules

827
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: are confusing, which are confusing that I loved that. I

828
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: love the first time that Patrick Swayze someone like walks

829
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: through him with his with their guts and You're like, no,

830
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: Patrick Swayzy can see poorly random body animation. What a curse?

831
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: I forgot that happened. And I love that he was

832
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: so scared to go through he'd be like, oh no,

833
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: oh no. Then he leaps through the door and he's

834
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: like and he like looks back at the door and

835
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, dude, you're fucking ghost. What don't you

836
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: get And then when he goes to the turnstile for

837
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: the first time and he like stops and looks back.

838
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: You're a ghost. Keep going, he's new, he doesn't know

839
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: every single time or yeah, whenever he sticks his head through,

840
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: something's like is this safe? Yes, and you're like, you're

841
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: a goddamn ghost. You are fine, You're fine. There's a

842
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: lot of great Swayzy reaction shot when he finds when

843
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: he finds out Carl is betraying him the first I

844
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: thought you were my friends, right, But but first that

845
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: long shot of just Swayze's eyes watering, like, but I

846
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: thought friendship was forever, so beautiful. Oh, this movie is

847
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: so fun and I love really some woman knows where

848
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: you live. A lot of women know where I live.

849
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the climactic sequence at the end,

850
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: whenever Carl's like banging on the door he breaks in.

851
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: Sam is all weak because he's just been inside of May.

852
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,479
Speaker 1: And then Molly and Otomy are kind of like left

853
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: to fend for themselves for a few minutes and they

854
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: go up to the roof and there's a moment where

855
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: Molly tackles Carl Um when yeah, like Carl's kind of

856
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: attacking oto May, Molly attacks him, gets away, but then

857
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: he holds a gun to Molly's head. Then Sam needs

858
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: to save her. It always bugs me when a man

859
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: needs to save a woman because it's a trope that

860
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: happens again and again. Yes, but I do think those

861
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 1: women were smart enough that they could have saved themselves

862
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: if given enough time. Yeah, I think so. I think

863
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: they could have figured something out because I do think

864
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: they were strong women. But yes, then Sam comes and

865
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: he flicks the gun away, and then he pushes Carl,

866
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: and then I mean Carl kind of kills himself because

867
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: because he flings that look and it hits the window

868
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: and then the glass falls down and impales him. And

869
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: then his little thing he wipes down the window and

870
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: he's like his death is like hilariously gruesome. It's very gruesome.

871
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: That was what I that most scared me the first

872
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: time I shot like Carl's I remember having dreams about

873
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: it because it was so It's weird with this movie

874
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: because they do like get a ship and a fucking

875
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: there every once in a that they don't need to

876
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: and they don't need to impale him like that. But

877
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: I'm so glad to know, but I'm glad they did.

878
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: And then when he comes up from his dead body

879
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey Sam, and it's like what you

880
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: can't know? You know what just happened? Were not cool? No,

881
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: you guys can't be friends now you're both dead, and

882
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, Carl. And then the little little mentors,

883
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: like those things scared me when I was little. I

884
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: was like, I hope they don't get me in my bed. Yeah. Yeah,

885
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: they're just little de mentors. Yeah. Then they make that noise.

886
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: And my favorite part is when Willie Lopez gets hit

887
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: by three cars and then they like show him dead

888
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: and then you hear in the background that dude is dead.

889
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: It's obviously an extra who is just like someone needs

890
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: to say I want to say it, I'll say it.

891
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: And he probably said it every take and someone probably

892
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: was like, hey, man, don't say that again. But then

893
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: they saw it, like the dailies were like, oh no,

894
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: that's a that's great. We have to keep it. You

895
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: know what. This guy's getting his sad probably from that

896
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: dude is dead. He went from being a featured extra

897
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: to it's good for him. Perfect. Can we talk about

898
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: how okay. So it's implied in the movie that cats

899
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: can see or sense ghosts because Sam we figures it

900
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: out and then he uses it to advantage to scare

901
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: off Will Lopez. So I would just like to, for

902
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: the record, just remind everyone that cats do have eight

903
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: nipples and they can see ghosts nipples. This has been

904
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: cat facts with Caitlin. Eight nipples ghosts and you didn't

905
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: realize how many nipples you've grazed And it was a

906
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: boycat boycats. That was your question, all question. Yeah, you're

907
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: stand by it. All mammal male, female, gender non binary

908
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: animals and people. All mammals have nipples because all embryos

909
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: start out as female and grow little nipples, and then

910
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: a certain like hormone is introduced in the womb to

911
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: determine whether or not it's it ends up being maybe

912
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: it's probably like a litter of kittens thing like cats

913
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: have tend to have so many babies at once that

914
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: they need more nipples. There's a direct correlation to like

915
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: how many offspring a mammal has at a time to

916
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: how many nipples they So we're only twins, two little nippies. Yeah,

917
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,479
Speaker 1: you should be double fisted. Honestly, humans should only have

918
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: one boob, imagine because we only have usually one baby

919
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: at a time. So I'm going to campaign for a

920
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: one boob movement. Well, then I should have no titties.

921
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 1: I don't want babies upset me. I want to pull

922
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: my boobs and have one good one great tips. I

923
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: want to have one decup instead, and said to too

924
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: little midgets, it's fine, it's it's manageable in the heat.

925
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: I accept it. I mean, yeah, big old titties in

926
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: the heat. That can't be fun. Right, I want and

927
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: I want in the winter. But keep time of year.

928
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm grateful this time of year. I count my blessings. Yeah. Well,

929
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: this has been a very enlightening des Niptalk Nip Nip

930
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: nip Talk, nip Talk, nip slash talk. That's the name

931
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: of this podcast. There we go. Hey, let's talk about

932
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: whether or not ghost passes the Bechtel test. I see,

933
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: I I haven't told this, but I think it does.

934
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: I think it technically. Okay, are you your point please? Um? Well,

935
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: I wrote in a few different places. You're right. I didn't.

936
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: I didn't think that the police scene doesn't pass because

937
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: the officer doesn't have a name. Do we ever find

938
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: out Odemy's sisters names, because there's an extreme I do

939
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: not think they do have names. They do have names.

940
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: I just I by the time it occurred to me

941
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: that I should have known their names, it was too late.

942
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: And you were right. Because they have a conversation about

943
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: our cineo hall oh wait, that's a man by our rules.

944
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 1: They just have to have There has to be two

945
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: lines of dialogue where they talk about yeah, and they

946
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: talk about Otomy, and they talk about like, I don't

947
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: I don't have the quote in front of me, but

948
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you know, she finally got the power

949
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then there's a response that also has

950
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: to do with Otomy, and I wish I had written

951
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: down the exact exchange, but I think I because I

952
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: detailed all of these they technically don't have names. They

953
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: don't they are credited and I am dB as Odomy's

954
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: sister and Odomy's sister. So those scenes where there are

955
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: women interacting. It starts off with Otomy and Mrs Santiago,

956
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: who does have a name, but they talk only about

957
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: Mrs Santiago's dead husband, so that does not pass. Then

958
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: we've got odom May and her sisters. During the scene

959
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: where Sam is all like, I'm a ghost and you

960
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: can hear me, and now you have the gift that

961
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: you didn't think you had, her sisters are like, oh,

962
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: she's talking crazy. She hit her head harder than we thought.

963
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: The other ones like she was talking to nobody before

964
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: she even hit her head, So that would pack as

965
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: the test if we knew their names, but we don't.

966
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: Then we've got Auto May calling Molly on the phone

967
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: to be like, I'm a spiritual reader and I have

968
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: a message from your friend Sam doesn't pass. Talking about Sam.

969
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 1: Then the scene where Automy goes to Molly's apartment, same

970
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: thing doesn't pass because they only talk about Sam and

971
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: all the things like because she's trying to convince her

972
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: I've got your dad friend. Then we've got the cop

973
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: who is the woman who is all like, I'm never

974
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: going to take my clothes off again. If there's ghosts everywhere,

975
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: we don't know her name does not pass. And then

976
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: we've got Auto May in the psychic shop talking to

977
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: another lady who's trying to communicate with her dead husband.

978
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: They either only talk about a man. Either way, that

979
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: woman is not named I have. I have like a

980
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: sneaking feeling that there is, and I wasn't doing the

981
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: close enough notes that that I should have been doing.

982
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: But I do think that there is an exchange in

983
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: this movie somewhere that likely technically passes. But I don't

984
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: think that that between and Molly. Yes, probably, but I

985
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: think it happens. They always talk about Sam. But if

986
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: I mean, but even if there's like the next I

987
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: think an exchange the lines between them of like do

988
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: you believe yes or no? Like that is the type

989
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: of exchange that would pass, right, It would be, but

990
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: it would be so fleeting right right, it's yeah, it's

991
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: one of those if it's barely right. I think this

992
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: does pretty right by its female characters. I think they're

993
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: both well developed and because like May is just such

994
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: a like dynamic character, just like she's so fun and

995
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: fun to watch, and Molly is also again she's dealing

996
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: with a lot of ship, but she's serving the story.

997
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: So I think the movie treats its female characters well,

998
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: but I don't think it passes the Bechdel tests because

999
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: every conversation where women are talking, they're either not named

1000
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: or they're talking about Sam. So that is my stance.

1001
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,479
Speaker 1: But as we've only Swaysy weren't such a lurker, right,

1002
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: or if we just got maybe like a scene of

1003
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: Aftermath after Sam goes to heaven and then is like, well,

1004
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: it's nice meeting you. You want to get some ice cream?

1005
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: You owe me money. I did a lot of work

1006
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: for Sam, and please give me a hundred dollars that

1007
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: could pass the test. And also she would get the

1008
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: money I feel she's entitled to. And I don't think

1009
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: that dem would be stingy about it. No, she'd be like,

1010
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: she'd be like, and also, here's a weird pottery I made.

1011
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: I mean, she helps save her life. To me, was

1012
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: going to get murdered by Willy Lopez otherwise, so or

1013
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: Carl or car Yeah, one or the other. But as

1014
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: we've often mentioned, the Bechtel test isn't necessarily like, it's

1015
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: not the end all be all, like if this movie

1016
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: does pass the test, it's great to women, and if

1017
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't, it's bad like shitty movies. It's like like, like,

1018
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: what the guild, But aren't they Oh, I guess they're

1019
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: not constantly talking about Colin Farrell. There's like three scenes

1020
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: where they're like, let's talk about our French lessons. Here's

1021
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: a fun one that passes. Sister act Yes, and I

1022
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: love that that. It's a there's a real Whoopie Goldberg

1023
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: career Foreshadow and Ghost where they're like, give the money

1024
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: to the nuns and she's like, no, none suck. For

1025
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 1: some variation on that, Nicle probably knows the exact line,

1026
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: give money to a bunch of nuns. They can't even like,

1027
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: they can't even buy panny y. That was a great

1028
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: like end ending line to a senior, always end on

1029
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: a button. I'm trying to think of other favorite movies

1030
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: and if they pass, are probably not. Twang Foo passes,

1031
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: Thanks for everything, Julie Newmar, we see my cousin Vinny

1032
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: does not pass. I wouldn't think so. I haven't seen

1033
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: it in a long time. I think Mercy to me

1034
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: is the only female archer who speaks. I don't think

1035
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 1: there's another woman for her. I've not seen it, but

1036
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: that sounds about right. Eddie passies. Another Whoopie Goldberg movie,

1037
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: Eddie that passes because she has a friend and they

1038
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: talk about basketball. A nice white lady. I like how

1039
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: this movie. I mean, there's not a whole lot of

1040
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: like tackling race in this movie. But there's a few

1041
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: different lines where Odom will be like you're a white guy,

1042
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: aren't you? Like and then and then she sees a

1043
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 1: picture of Sam and she's like, oh, you're cute, cute

1044
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: white guy. Yeah, and then oh yeah the line where

1045
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: she's basically like, uh wait I wrote down when Whoopy

1046
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: goldbergs like you know are you? Are you hit? And

1047
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 1: then she's just like literally like a white guy? Why me? Like, well,

1048
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Speaker 1: I don't. It doesn't truly tackle race, but it does

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Speaker 1: tackle that like she lives in a bad area and

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01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: a murderer lives in her neighborhood, and this white guy

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01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: is very concerned about his white fiance who lives in

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Speaker 1: a good area. So I think, I don't it's does

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01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't tackle race at all, but like I it

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01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: does tackle like she's like, oh shit, like there's bad

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Speaker 1: ship happening in my neighborhood and I'm hoping out this

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Speaker 1: white man like you're dead. Yeah, I think let's write

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Speaker 1: the movie. We we rate each movie on our Nipple

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01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: scale nipple scale of one to eight. We should adjust

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Speaker 1: it for cats. For any movie with a cat in it,

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01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: we should know, but we do. On a scale of

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Speaker 1: one to five nipples. No animals have only five nipples,

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Speaker 1: unless maybe they started out with six or eight and

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Speaker 1: some of them were surly them off. Oh boy, I

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Speaker 1: would hate having my nipples are removed. Yeah, I give

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Speaker 1: it five Little nippies. It's literally my favorite movie in

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Speaker 1: the whole world world. We we we rate it on our

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Speaker 1: it's portrayal of female Yeah, I stand by Drive Little Nippies.

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Speaker 1: I think the women are great in the movie. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give it four. It get some marks off.

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Speaker 1: I don't like that the women have to be saved

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Speaker 1: by Sam at the end. That's a trump that's always

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01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: gonna bug me. It's still Sam driving the story it is.

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01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: He's the protagonist, so that makes sense. But I feel like, maybe,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Molly couldn't maybe have a little more

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01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: to do or because she is kind of passive. There's

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01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: also a scene where Willie Lopez is like watching her undress,

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Speaker 1: which I guess, like, sure, that's to communicate to the

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01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: audience she's in danger, this is scary. But then Odamy

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01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: tells her, yeah, he watched you undressing. Whatever. But that

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01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: scene like didn't really need to happen, like, we don't.

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01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: Why do we have to see like a voyeuristic naked

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01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: lady scene. She's not. She's also think it paints how

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01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: gross Willie is. Yeah, but and then he gets scratched

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01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: by a cat, which does have eight nipples, so in

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01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: a way, it's an eight out of it. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that Molly and especially Otomy are just really interesting,

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01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: multidimensional characters that are enjoyable to watch. And there wasn't

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Speaker 1: any moment where I was just like, well, I don't

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01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: like this. There are opportunities where it could pass the

1090
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: Bechdel test, but there the whole thing is about a man,

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01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: their relationship otomy, and Molly's relationship is completely contextualized by

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01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: this man. So if they talked about other stuff, would

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01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: it make sense for the movie? Maybe not, but I

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01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: don't know. Just throw a line in there. Oh did

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01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: you watch Oprah yesterday? Yeah? I loved it? How about you? Too? Bad?

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01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: She didn't get this part that's gonna happen? Yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: get I'll give it a ford to based on I mean,

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01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: the two main female characters are both and I wouldn't

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01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: have said this for Molly the last time I saw it,

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01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: but after seeing her this time through our are both

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01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: really well developed and have very clear, strong motivations and

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01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: their storylines. Although they are propelled forward by men, they

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01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: seem like two independent women with heads on their shoulders

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01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: and deal with problems in a way that makes sense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean basically just uh, the one nip off based

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01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: on missed opportunities and less so having to do with

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01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: Odomy and while because I feel like it would be

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01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: disingenuous to the story if they like ended up being

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01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: best friends like that that would not happen in real life,

1110
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: but missed opportunities more in terms of it would have

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01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: been very easy to give Otomy's sisters names. It would

1112
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: have been very easy to not have almost all male ghosts.

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01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: It would have you know, it would have been very

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01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: easy to flip one of um Odomy's clients into a

1115
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: man trying to talk to his wife, you know, like

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01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: they're just little stuff like that. Uh. Four nipples. I'm

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01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: gonna give two to both of Otomy's unnamed sisters. I

1118
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: do like that of the women with speaking roles in

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01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: this movie, they are almost all women of color because

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01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: it's o May her sister's Mrs Santiago. Molly's kind of

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01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: the only white woman. Yeah, you don't very much of

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01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: her world, which is like interesting, like you get the

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01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: you get that, like Sam's a Wall Street broker or whatever.

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01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: But then like they spent a lot of time in

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01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: Brooklyn in Prospect Park, I think is where it would

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01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: be like, which was like not gentrified, so like everybody

1127
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: on the street as a person of color, like it

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01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: was on the subway to I think they did a

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Speaker 1: great job of depicting New York because so many movies

1130
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: will be in New York and they'll be like in

1131
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and it's like filled with white people. I'm like,

1132
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Speaker 1: I don't know where you are, but now I do.

1133
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: Now it's any part of Brooklyn very gentrified. Take some notes.

1134
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: So how dare you have a Civil war movie without

1135
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Speaker 1: somebody being like, here's your tea. It's like, come on now, Nicole,

1136
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for paying. Thanks for Heavy, It's

1137
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: been a blast. Where can people find you online? He

1138
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: seeing on Twitter and Instagram at Nicole Buyer for both.

1139
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: I have a Facebook page because I had a show

1140
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: an MTV called Lucy exactly in a call that got canceled.

1141
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: But it's being resurrected by Facebook, so you can look

1142
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: for that soon. And you can look at my fan

1143
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: page and I'll I guess update it great. There's only

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Speaker 1: two pictures up. I don't know how to do it,

1145
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, so you can find me out and I

1146
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: perform all over l A. I usually tweet about it

1147
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: and I tour, so look for them tweets. Look for

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Speaker 1: those tweets. Speaking at tweets, you can follow us on

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01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,760
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1150
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,080
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1151
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,280
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1152
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Speaker 1: donate money to us. We have some production costs and

1153
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,560
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1154
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: with hit us up on papal. Donate a dollar, two dollars,

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Speaker 1: three dollars, three thousand dollars. Thanks to your generosity, I

1156
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: was able to pay my student loans this month. Really,

1157
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: to be clear, they did not pay my student loans,

1158
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: but because we didn't need to absorb the cost of

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Speaker 1: the podcast this month, I could pay my students. Yeah,

1160
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: I keep giving them money. So go to PayPal dot me, backslash,

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Speaker 1: backtel Cast and you can throw us a few dollars,

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Speaker 1: that would be great. We'd so appreciate it. Again, Nicole,

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01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: thanks for being here. It's been a lot having me

1164
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: have a great time. And men don't ghost on women. No,

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01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: don't call us back, calling back, call us back. But

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01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: also feel free to die. Yeah, it just dies longing

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Speaker 1: to leave us some money, all right. Bye,