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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll bite. What's a Korean perm?

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Speaker 2: These Japanese people that gets dreadlocks.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing about me. I used to

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Speaker 2: Oh so wait, a Korean perm is to take your

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Speaker 1: I mean, and that done by Koreans.

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Speaker 2: Oh but I don't know Korean as a modifier. I'm

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Speaker 2: just like, oh, that shit probably bangs exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: No, it does. It's like a it's like a wave perm.

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Speaker 1: Like you don't go full eighties mom, you just go like.

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Speaker 2: My mom had this fucking.

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Speaker 2: Curly as hair. What is this looking like wolverine or

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know my mom would do that and then

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Speaker 2: Eighties Yeah, shout out a permanent Hello the Internet, and

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Speaker 2: welcome to season three eighty two, episode two of The

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Speaker 2: Daily's Eye Catcher production. If iHeartRadio, this is the podcast

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Speaker 2: where we take a deep dive into America's sword did

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Speaker 2: share consciousness? It is Tuesday, April second. Oh no, that

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Speaker 2: was the worst April Fool's joke I could have done.

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Speaker 2: And I will see my milk. It's April first, don't

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Speaker 2: fucking I don't know. I'm sure there's a bunch of

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Speaker 2: corporate foolery going on in the Internet because they love

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Speaker 2: to do dumb shit or like McDonald's just like you

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Speaker 2: can now drink Ronald's blood in a milkshake.

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Speaker 1: Finally it's legal to do jokes on April first.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Did you see that there's a headline about how.

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Speaker 1: We're asking every woman if she's pregnant today? Okay, I

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Speaker 1: saw you have put on a little weight.

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Speaker 2: I see the thing that was like, oh white, this

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Speaker 2: new season, the White Lotus is the first great piece

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Speaker 2: of media in the post woke era, And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: what the fuck are we talking about here? Anyway? I'm

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Speaker 2: Myles Gray aka the Showgun with no Gun, the Lord

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Speaker 2: of lancrasham out here trying to just scream into the void,

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Speaker 2: and I'm thrilled to be joined by my guest co host.

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Speaker 2: You already know her from many fantastic places, look the

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Speaker 2: situation room. Uh. You probably know her from doing stand

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Speaker 2: up comedy, her activism and where you've seen her. You

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Speaker 2: know her. She is a powerhouse. Please welcome my Calls

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Speaker 1: Today aka Mirror Mirror on the Wall, who is the

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Speaker 1: frantist of them all? Good to be here, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for having me?

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Speaker 2: Who is the frandiest of the moment pressure Oh okay,

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Speaker 2: that's not relevant. What is relevant is introducing our guest

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Speaker 2: this fantastic journalist, someone who covers a lot of stories

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Speaker 2: already familiar with him from his work with Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: It could happen here, et cetera. If not, maybe you

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Speaker 2: to the Microphone James.

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Speaker 3: So Hey, that was great intro. I feel very hyped

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Speaker 3: up on thank you. That was amazing. Yeah, if I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I didn't feel like I'm immortal.

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Speaker 2: kids What the fuck is this? He's like it's like assault.

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Speaker 2: Think I'm very much looking forward to picking your brain

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Speaker 2: because we're like, I feel like everybody here's I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy not knowing is it? Is it sad? Sad?

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Speaker 2: No, but I mean, like it's so on the other

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Speaker 2: But first, James, we like to ask all of our guests,

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Speaker 1: I would love to think like that, like meaning like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe not in a good way. Maybe I'm not

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Speaker 2: Right, holy shit. Oh man, James, what is something you

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Speaker 3: What I've been enjoying recently is like Burmese rock music

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Speaker 1: This reminds me is if you google me and Mark Who,

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Speaker 2: Entertainer, true, Yeah, show must go on. I was listening

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Speaker 3: I didn't really notice until like the blood, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there are hot things, but like it's

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Speaker 3: Good night. Yeah I could have plugged it with a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I like to conceptualize it in terms

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Speaker 3: rubber bullets. So they came out with shields, and then

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Speaker 3: they got shot with real bullets. And they at that

434
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Speaker 3: point decided that like they weren't going to be then

435
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,479
Speaker 3: another generation that died in the streets, So they went

436
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 3: to the mountains. And in the mountains there are ethnic

437
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,680
Speaker 3: resistance organizations. There are more than fifty different ethnic groups

438
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Speaker 3: in Myanmar. Many of them have been fighting against the

439
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Speaker 3: majority group, the Bama, who dominate government and have done

440
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 3: since ninety forty eight when the UK left or Britain

441
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 3: left in the traditionally like the Burmese government and by extension,

442
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 3: the Burmese military had used like a divide and rule strategy,

443
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 3: just the way that other empires do, right, being like, oh, you,

444
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 3: young Bama people can't be friends with the Koren because

445
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 3: the Karen fucking hate you and will kill you, and

446
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 3: they're like savage, wild mountain people. I'm using heavy air

447
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 3: quotes there for people who don't see me this podcast.

448
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 3: But these young folks were like, well, fuck it you.

449
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 3: The military is pretty savage. They're killing my friends. They

450
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 3: went to the mountains and they of course found that

451
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 3: these folks were perfectly accepting to them, or that they

452
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,160
Speaker 3: shared a common enemy. Right. Since then, they've formed units

453
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 3: called PDS People's Defense Forces, which are mainly composed of

454
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Speaker 3: young people from the cities, and they fight alongside the

455
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 3: ethnic revolutionary organizations. And they've been fighting the military since

456
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, so we're four years into the revolution.

457
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 3: More than half the country is now it's liberated, right,

458
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 3: considered to be controlled by the erros or the PDFs.

459
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Speaker 3: My friend Robert Evans and I have done a couple

460
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Speaker 3: of podcast series. We went over in twenty twenty two

461
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Speaker 3: to meet some young people. One of the biggest hues

462
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 3: they faced was that they didn't have any guns to

463
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Speaker 3: fight back, right, so they told they all sold all

464
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 3: their shit to try and buy guns. But guns are

465
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Speaker 3: very expensive there. It's not like here, and so what

466
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 3: they started doing was three D printing guns using just

467
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 3: like two hundred dollars three D printers. And the way

468
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 3: we came across this story was that I found a

469
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Speaker 3: guy on a reddit who was in the gun three

470
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Speaker 3: D printing subreddit posting pictures and I was like, you're

471
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 3: not in America, Like those pictures aren't in America. So

472
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Speaker 3: I DM the guy and cay Man, I think you

473
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 3: might maybe be in Mema, Like can I come hang out?

474
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Speaker 3: And you know, we chatted for a while and then

475
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Speaker 3: it kind of worked out roughly the area they were,

476
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: and I went over and we visited them and we

477
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 3: talked to them about like what it was like to

478
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 3: kind of they had no support from anyone, right, like

479
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Speaker 3: all the governments of the world, the un the US,

480
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 3: EU or these places where we talk about democracy, like,

481
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 3: they didn't do shit when people were being killed in

482
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Speaker 3: the streets. On twenty fifth of April Armed Forces Day,

483
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifteen people were killed in a single

484
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 3: day at a protest unarmed, right, not aggressive, not that

485
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 3: it matters, they shouldn't be killed anyway, but that was

486
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: kind of the big changing point for people, and they

487
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: realized that, like, if they needed to fight back, they

488
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 3: needed to fight back with guns, and the word wasn't

489
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: going to give them to them, but so people on

490
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 3: Reddit did, and so they went into the jungle with

491
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Speaker 3: their three D printers and set up these print farms

492
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Speaker 3: in the jungle, and they started out with printer guns.

493
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Speaker 3: Those guns allowed them to acquire better guns, and they fundraised.

494
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Speaker 3: The way they fundraised is fascinating too. They have these

495
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Speaker 3: hued Telegram channels for the revolution right, and they use

496
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 3: pay per click adverts, So they do YouTube videos or

497
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: write stories with pay per click adverts in them and

498
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 3: then direct like ten thousand, one hundred thousand people to

499
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Speaker 3: go to the article and click the advert, and that

500
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Speaker 3: they generate revenue.

501
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Speaker 2: All these yeah the guys like yeah gaming basically paid media,

502
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: like for the Yeah.

503
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Speaker 1: Ye, selling mud coffee is like, well, I'm helping the

504
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: mean Mar revolution. Uh no, that is why it's it's

505
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: like the most gen Z revolution and and it's yeah,

506
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Speaker 1: I mean I think that just thinking about how things

507
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: got this way and just like watching like in preparation

508
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: for this, watching like a quick little explainer and realizing, yeah,

509
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: that the international community has been, despite a lot of

510
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: cries from the UN, kind of a zero on this,

511
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: and there's been no coordinated response, unlike the response to

512
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Speaker 1: you know, Russia during the invasion of Ukraine, you know,

513
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: and on and on. It's like that me and Mar

514
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: has largely been left to its own devices, and China

515
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: and Russia are actually fueling the obviously the military side

516
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: of it, and and so they've got plenty of weapons there.

517
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Speaker 1: And what's crazy it's also learn about like the history

518
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: is that the the army has representation in parliament like.

519
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Speaker 2: Y heats, which is just fucking like.

520
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: Any kind of like, you know, any kind of country

521
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: trying to be a democracy, like that's wild. That's so terrifying.

522
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like for years the US kind of boosted

523
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: this kind of Enson Succi like way of transitioning to democracy.

524
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 3: It's going to be the next growth economy in Asia.

525
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 3: They called them tiger economies for a while, and the

526
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 3: US really didn't demand inclusion for those different ethnic groups,

527
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: right that they stood up and fort fit themselves. And

528
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Speaker 3: I think in a sense, like it don't get me wrong,

529
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Speaker 3: it fucking sucks how many people have died. Some of

530
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 3: those people are people I really cared about, and it

531
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 3: was really hard to lose them. And like the revolution

532
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 3: has been hard for a lot of people, right, like

533
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: four years at war. It is not a joke. Like

534
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 3: some of these people, you know, they're nineteen twenty now,

535
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 3: they were sixteen years old when they started seeing people

536
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 3: die every day, and that they shouldn't have to anyone.

537
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: But like because they haven't had so much of this,

538
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 3: like his aid from the United States, his aid from

539
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: the European Union, and then you will have a nice

540
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 3: neoliberal democracy afterwards. Like they've done it themselves and they

541
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 3: found their own way, and like that gives me a

542
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 3: lot of hope because like nobody came to help them, right,

543
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 3: they did it all by themselves, and they built something

544
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 3: really beautiful as a result. That like isn't you know,

545
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's someone on Twitter dot com he thinks

546
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 3: it's a fucking color revolution. But those people are done.

547
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Speaker 2: Like.

548
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: These people entirely from their own refusal to be like

549
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 3: under the boot heel of the state, have created this

550
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 3: beautiful revolution that's liberated half the country. And in the

551
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: process they've like so to give an example, right, the

552
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 3: Rahinja genocide happened in Mianda, and it happened largely because

553
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: Facebook doesn't have any content moderation in Burmese, right yep,

554
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: and that allowed for horrific Islamophobic lies to spread through

555
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: the Hunter's botnet for a large part, right, the huge

556
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: network of bots. You can see them in their replies

557
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 3: to my tweets. This happened less than a decade ago,

558
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 3: right like in Islamophobia was like and there's a massively

559
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: British nationalist movement in me Ammar which draws inspiration from

560
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: groups of the English Defense League like right wing anti

561
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 3: immigrant groups. And this was pretty much the population, with

562
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: some notable exceptions from the anarchist, the punk movement and

563
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 3: other groups who are posted in the genocide. Let it

564
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 3: happen right now. This earthquake that happened is sagang In

565
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 3: on Friday, right seven point seven earthquake. It happened during

566
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Speaker 3: Friday prayers, the day before Eid, right, Id being the

567
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 3: festival at the end of Ramadan. If people aren't familiar,

568
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 3: it's kind of like church at Easter for Christians. Right.

569
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 3: So a lot of people are at mosques now because

570
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: the country has fundamentally sort of aligned Buddhism with being

571
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Speaker 3: Burmese for decades. Mosques haven't been allowed to build or

572
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: repair their structures since nineteen sixty two. So all the

573
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: fucking mosques fell down right prayers and like, this is horrific.

574
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 3: It would have been inconceivable five years ago for twenty

575
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 3: three year old Bama Buddhist people to be like, hey man,

576
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: this happened during Friday prayers and all the mosque had

577
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: been destroyed, and like, what can we do to help

578
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: the Muslim community in these places? How can we reach

579
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: out to solidarity groups from Muslim communities around the world,

580
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: Like that would never have happened five years ago, right,

581
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: And like that they've built that solidarity now and just

582
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: from like sharing experiences, right and realizing that there's a

583
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: lot more that unites them that divides them.

584
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: You know likewise, So that's happening now, that's a conversation

585
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: in the wake of the Rohinga obviously genocide the Muslim

586
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: minority and the fallout and the Hunter turning people against them.

587
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 1: That now when this happens and these mosques are you know,

588
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: disportionately so many Muslims have been killed, that like there's

589
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: solidarity now because of their revolution and what it has built.

590
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they began they were the same.

591
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 3: They were attacked by the Hunter the same way that

592
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: Muslim people were, right, and they saw the Hunter doing

593
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: the same shit and they realized, like, this is how

594
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: the state operates. It turns up against each other, so

595
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: we don't turn against it and like not there are

596
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: resistance groups which are still Islamophobic and will still like

597
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: there's been there have been serious problems with killing of

598
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: Hinja people and then the Hunter has trying to turn

599
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: and co op the Rehinder people, Like it's absolutely insane

600
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: that the people who did the genocide have now got

601
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: Hinjia people fighting alongside them. Some of those people are

602
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: forcibly conscripted, but some of them are not. So like that,

603
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: there are still definitely issues, but yeah, to have young

604
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: Burma folks like messaging me concerned about Muslim people, and

605
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: this has happened, Like this isn't just a Muslim Buddhist thing, right,

606
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: Like you'll see it with for instance, women fighting on

607
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: the front line now, which would have been inconceivable five

608
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: or six years ago.

609
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: Right.

610
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: One of my friends told me a story that I

611
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: like to repeat, where like in Burmese culture, it's really

612
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: to boo for men to walk under a woman's like

613
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: under garments. I guess like they would they would like

614
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: lose their masculine energy if they did that, if they're

615
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: like drying across the street. You know, have people tried

616
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Speaker 3: to clo oh.

617
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Speaker 2: I was like, how would you walk on? Like you're

618
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: violating it?

619
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: They yeah, you're doing the limbo underneath someone's skirt. Like

620
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: what's happening?

621
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, important context missing. It's taboo to do the limb

622
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: like someone's skirt, I think in most parts.

623
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Speaker 1: So it's it's like it's like like like walking under

624
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: a ladder seven years bad luck. But if you walk

625
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 1: under a clothesline with panties.

626
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: Like you're nuts.

627
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: Yeah immediately, so your matro energy. So like they were,

628
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: they had a barricade, right, and they had set some

629
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: tires on fire and they were trying to stop the

630
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: cops coming in, but the cops are still coming in.

631
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: And then they were like, oh, ship, what about this

632
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: taboo thing? And so the girls like picked off their

633
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: ship put it on the washing line, right, and the

634
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Speaker 3: cops didn't come in.

635
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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, use their own homophobia and misogyny against it.

636
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

637
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: And like for like, you know, twenty year old guys

638
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: that don't generally like the great at this but like

639
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: to have like twenty year old guys being like and

640
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: that's how sexism hurt to everyone.

641
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: Is like, yeah, you know, that's what I want to Sorry, Miles,

642
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure I just like wanted to ask because like

643
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: the headline I woke up to today was that the

644
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: government is has bombed the areas that were affected by

645
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: the earthquakes. So every day really But okay, so can

646
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: you just explain how since the earthquake the war hasn't stopped?

647
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, well, and how is that turning people

648
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: against them? Possibly?

649
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the PDF, which is the mainly Bama sort

650
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: of revolutionary forces that's slightly distinct in their command structure

651
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: from the ethnic revolutionary organizations, and there was something called

652
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: a National National Unity Government which was formed of the

653
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: people who were elected and then deposed by the coup. Right,

654
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: not everyone is fighting necessarily to install the ENUG, but

655
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: ENUG and the p F declared the ceasefire for two

656
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: weeks after the earthquake. Some of them even offered to

657
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: go into Hunter control territory to help a risk to

658
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: their own.

659
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: Lives, right, because they were fighting each other.

660
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: They were no, the NUG and the PDF and the

661
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: e ROS are fighting against the Hunter.

662
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: Right, but they they were like, we won't we'll start.

663
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: They're like, oh, we won't bring our weapons. We want

665
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: to come help. That was denied. They So what the

666
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: Hunter is dying response is continue to bomb civilian targets, right,

667
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 3: which is something that it has done since the coup began.

668
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: It's because they get their ass handed to them in

669
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: like small arms combat. Right, Like if they're fighting, if

670
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: two groups of soldiers are fighting, the Hunter soldiers are conscripts.

671
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: Their weapons are absolutely shipped here, like I've never seen

672
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 3: worse maintained weapons. But they just rely heavily on drones,

673
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: artillery and air strikes. Right, And they've continually as struck

674
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: civilian targets. They as struck Karni Christians during Christmas celebrations, right,

675
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 3: they as struck kitchen civilians during a Kagen music festival

676
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: like Jesus. They like they are on some like a

677
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 3: sad regime level shit, but the world just doesn't report

678
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: on it, like or it doesn't get reported on it

679
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: as much. So, Yeah, they did continue air striking even

680
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: when so it looked like in the day of the

681
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: earthquake like that afternoon. I don't know if their runways

682
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: were damaged. It seems like maybe not because they've been

683
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 3: doing regular asteroiics since they used fucking paramotors.

684
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw you post about that.

685
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah ye yeah, like to drop bombs like they couldn't

686
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: take a break like a half day on rhyming civilians.

687
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: It continue to keep bombing shit. And now they're demanding

688
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: international aid, right, Like, I think we need to be

689
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: really careful that what they will do is holt that aid.

690
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: They will use it against a revolution and they did

691
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: this with cyclone nargets in two thousand and eight. Right,

692
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: they have declined they won't let certain aid come in.

693
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: They didn't let a Taiwanese rescue team enter, Like they'll

694
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: let Chinese, they'll let Russian, right, that's an Indian group, Vietnamese.

695
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: They're fucking down with North Korea sometimes, but I don't

696
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 3: think North koreole sending help. But like they get weapons

697
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: from North Korea, they'll let those people come in, but

698
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 3: they wouldn't let other international aid come in. And they

699
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: did this with Nagats a US warship south of the coast,

700
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: and they were like, no, we don't want the stuff

701
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 3: that you have. So like they will continue to use

702
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: this as an opportunity. They don't care how many civilians

703
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: for dying. It will be very hard for you to

704
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: get accurate numbers on how many civilians have died a

705
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,959
Speaker 3: because they don't care, and be because they don't want

706
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: to look bad, you know, they don't want to put

707
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 3: that out there.

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Speaker 1: Are there estimates, I mean, are there entities that do

709
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: kind of an estimates of the toll, that's all.

710
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw the US Geological Survey had said that

711
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 3: a quake of that magnitude and that location would result

712
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: in between ten and one hundred thousand death, which is

713
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 3: obviously a pretty big number. We can expect to see

714
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 3: the death toll go up I've heard from people in

715
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 3: everyone's still sleeping outside and lots of places because of aftershocks.

716
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: People have left their neighborhood because of the smell of

717
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: rotting bodies in the collapsed buildings, right, And they've been

718
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 3: trying to get people out themselves, right, pulling stones off.

719
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: The National Unity Government and the PDF have a large

720
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: number of elephants that they liberated from the Hunter's timber camp.

721
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: So they'd be, oh, yeah, yeah.

722
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that you didn't mention that freed elephant.

723
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: I love this.

724
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: They have an elephant unit. They have like an elephant.

725
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 3: I'm hoping to go and spend some time with them,

726
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: Like I feel like it's one of the last chances

727
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 3: in human history for someone to ride an elephant to war,

728
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: like put it on their resume. But also like, of course,

729
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: the elephants are like a symbol of Burma, and they

730
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: were being mistreated by the Hunter, right, and they didn't

731
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: want them to fall into the black market, so they

732
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: liberated these elephants. And they're living with a PLA now,

733
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 3: which is one of these registriance groups. But yeah, they

734
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: use their elephants to clear the rebble. They've used whatever

735
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: vehicles they have, but they desperately need international support and

736
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 3: the Hunter's not going to let them get it. And

737
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: as a result, way more people will die than need

738
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 3: to die. Plus you combine that with fucking we've cut

739
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: USAID now, right, Yes, eighteen case officers I believe got

740
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: laid off the day of the earthquake, like the I know,

741
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: the World Food Program already scaled back operations in Myanmar

742
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: because of this, like and globally there's kind of a

743
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 3: reduction in funding for humanitarian aid, right, so that's it's

744
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: like a double whammy. I know that, like when they

745
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 3: shut down USAID funding. You know, when Elon Musk and

746
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: his little kids went into the USAIDA and shut it down.

747
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: Like I'm aware that they literally turned off life support

748
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: machines in some refugee camps. I'm aware of women having

749
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: to give birth outside of like locked clinics.

750
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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.

751
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a lot of Burmese refugees end up

752
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: living just across the border in Thailand, and USAID has

753
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: and this is wrong, Like it's institution itself kind of

754
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 3: as the only provider in some of those cases, or

755
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: it's like one of the main ways to get medical care.

756
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 3: So when it pulled out, at least people really in

757
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 3: a shit situation.

758
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: Well, let's take another quick break. I have a couple

759
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 2: of questions and you know, and also a bit of

760
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: optimism to offer, I think, James, because you do you

761
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 2: do see that there is something inspiring about everything that's happening.

762
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: So let's take a quick break and we'll come right back.

763
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 2: And we're back, James. I think first, one of the

764
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: main things that I really think about in anything when

765
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: we see people trying to liberate themselves and you know,

766
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: engage in some kind of violent conflict in order to

767
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: do that for the betterment of their own lives, is

768
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: you see how media responds to it, especially in the

769
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: United States, and like to your point, right, like, I've

770
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: ingested so many headlines that I'm using the term civil war,

771
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: and that's what I see constantly in every What is

772
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: the what does the earthquake mean for the civil war?

773
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: What does the civil war? Or can you sort of

774
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: just from your perspective, the importance of really describing this

775
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: as a re and why sort of the coverage of

776
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: sort of characterizing this as a civil war, it does

777
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: a disservice to not only the reader, but the people

778
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: that are actually struggling for liberation in MMR.

779
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. So there's been war in Memma since nineteen

780
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 3: forty eight, right since the British left and the Panglong Agreement,

781
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: which is complicated and I won't describe here, ended up

782
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: being dishonored. Basically in the Bama majority took control of

783
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: the government and the military. What happened in twenty twenty

784
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: one is distinct from that. It is people rising up

785
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: against the dictatorial government and choosing not to be swayed

786
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: by violence, not to be pushed back, right, and to

787
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: go and join into or join up with these ros.

788
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: And at that point, like it stopped being a war

789
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 3: between two different organizations and it became a revolution all

790
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: over the country. Right, we didn't have different Like I

791
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 3: think it's wrong to characterize the ethnic groups only fighting

792
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 3: for the independence of their ethnicity. They're not. They're fighting

793
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 3: to do away with the dictatorial government in the Enma.

794
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: So like when we see it as a civil war

795
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: and there's been this, like you say in headlines, this

796
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,959
Speaker 3: consistent language. You see it a lot used by analysts too.

797
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: I don't understand how you become an analyst. You just

798
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: just bloviate and say shit, that isn't true, and you

799
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 3: become richer than I am, which is not very rich.

800
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 3: And so like this language of civil war, I think

801
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: it fits neatly into like the securitization kind of disclosed

802
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: that people in the West one and like it. It's

803
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: a lot easier to ignore a civil war than a revolution, right.

804
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: Like right, and they're like, ah, they're fighting amongst themselves again, Yeah, exactly.

805
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: It's like, hold on, these people have had it with

806
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: the treatment that the treatment that they receive under this government,

807
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 2: and their response is this, and I think that yeah,

808
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: probably seed some ideas that they don't want to really

809
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: have out there.

810
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean that's sort of what we see. And I

811
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: feel like there is obviously it is in countries where

812
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: there is a Muslim population, they're also there are brown people.

813
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw it in you know, can't Assyrian

814
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: civil War, right, which you know, I mean, I guess

815
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: as the civil war is also a massive uprising was

816
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: part of the Arab Spring initially, Yeah, and so there

817
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: are some corollaries, but yeah, I guess I'm also curious

818
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: on like, why aren't we covering this is it because

819
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: there are these religious minorities, or is it because it's

820
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: just seen as you know, yeah, like brown people on

821
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: brown people crime, like you know, there's no outside invader.

822
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: It feels like it's all of that, right, It's like

823
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: the narratives don't conform to what like a sort of

824
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: like American imperialism wants out there, or there are people

825
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: to be thinking about.

826
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Speaker 3: Really yeah, and like there's this whole thing like when

827
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 3: Chomsky writes about manufacturing consent, like they don't tell you

828
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 3: what to say because you know what they're going to

829
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: say already, right, And like that is definitely true of

830
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: a certain class of people who are editors of big

831
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 3: newspapers in this country. Like I've tried to picture to me,

832
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 3: it's it's just a good story, Like it's a fucking

833
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,479
Speaker 3: great story, and they're not there's this idea that people

834
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: aren't interested or they won't take the time to learn

835
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 3: all that background. But the people are interested actually, Like

836
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 3: like I got my job at iHeart because I wanted

837
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: to make podcasts about this, Like people are really interested

838
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: and people who listen to our podcast who've done amazing

839
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 3: things to show the solidarity, and so I think part

840
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: of it is editors being like condescending and thinking that

841
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: their readers won't pay attention, which is bullshit. I think

842
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: it doesn't fit with these kind of general narratives that

843
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: we have, right, that we like to frame anything into.

844
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: And it's affirming to me at least, because like I

845
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,439
Speaker 3: was in Rajava in northern East Syria in twenty twenty three,

846
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 3: and there was a message sent from the Karreni Nationalities

847
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 3: Defense Force for one of these revolutionary organizations in Memba

848
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: to the people of Rajava because at that time that

849
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: I was there, we were being bombed heavily by Turkish drones,

850
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: like expressing their solidarity with the people of Rajava. And

851
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 3: then the people of Rajaba sent a message back expressing

852
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 3: their solidarity with people in Myanmar. There've also been statements

853
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 3: from Memba in solidarity with Palestine and Ukraine. Like even

854
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: if we're not paying attention to it, it doesn't mean

855
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 3: that like the whole world isn't right. Yeah, yeah, so

856
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 3: lots of people are that perhaps people who can understand

857
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 3: what is to like, I mean, we're starting to learn

858
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 3: what it is to live under a tyrannical state, I guess.

859
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 3: But you know, people who can take inspiration from people

860
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: standing up to a state that doesn't care they live

861
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: or die.

862
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: Well, that's sorry, Miles. I don't know if you have

863
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: I just want to jump in there because when you

864
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: talk about today, you know, I've been thinking about obviously

865
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: the crack down here in the United States on actual

866
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: free speech and the rounding up of people, deporting you know,

867
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: innocent folks, all this, and you know, it is interesting

868
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: that you see the breaking point of the people of

869
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: me and mar being like, look, we've done military dictatorship.

870
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: We've done putting our heads down. It doesn't work. So

871
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: the only option is to fight. And I see, you know,

872
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: as you see both media, civil society, not everyone obviously,

873
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: but like, I don't think that Americans are truly prepared for,

874
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, this anti fascist fight that we currently find

875
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: ourselves in. And there is like a crossroads of okay,

876
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: so what happens when they actually start really repressing, you know,

877
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: And sadly, I think maybe what happens is people kind

878
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: of stop resisting and you know, TBD on this, like,

879
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, look, not is not a done deal. But

880
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, you talk to like, you know, some friends

881
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: who are like, you know, Egyptian or folks where there

882
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: is like a very you know, not complacent, but a

883
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: very controlled society under a military dictatorship. That's just like

884
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: we just don't resist, you know there, you know, And

885
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: so that is that is an avenue versus you know,

886
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: the one that me and mar has taken.

887
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and James, I know you said from just your

888
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: time speaking with the people there and your coverage of it,

889
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: that it does you are able to draw some kind

890
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: of inspiration from them. Is do you look at that

891
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: just in terms of globally of like what human beings

892
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: are capable of, or do you also see that sort

893
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: of in the context of just sort of spreading authoritarianism

894
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: and what our human capacity is to sort of resist.

895
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think all of us have this desire

896
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: to like live free and not live under the boot

897
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: of the state, right, And it's that desire that it

898
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: is the most powerful resource for the people of Memmo.

899
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: It's not like they have a great deal else, right,

900
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: they don't have, you know. It's this isn't one of

901
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: those revolutions which benefits from having access to oil, for instance,

902
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: or any of those things. Right, Like, and I've watched

903
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: a I've watched some change and grow, which is really cool.

904
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: I've watched people consider their opinions. I've watched you know,

905
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 3: like young people consider their opinions on gender, consider their

906
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: opinions on like LGBTQ people and be like, hey, I

907
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: was wrong about that. These people are my comrades and

908
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: the revolution and that's cool. It's really it's really beautiful

909
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 3: to watch people grow. But it's been beautiful to watch

910
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: them build something out of nothing based entirely on solidarity

911
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: and a refusal to give in. And like, I think

912
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 3: we'd be really look, we should see ourselves in that

913
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: more than I think we probably do. They have a

914
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 3: long history of revolutionary organizing, right, Like if we look

915
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: back to AAA, which was eighth of August nineteen eighty eight,

916
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: when they had big Protomoxcy protests that were violently put

917
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 3: down by the government. People were killed. Every generation have

918
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: had these movements, and they will talk about that. We

919
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: don't have that, right, but we do have a we

920
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 3: have a long history of street movement, right. We had

921
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty Uprising. We've seen like Act Up for

922
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 3: HIV AIDS, right, the civil rights movement in this country.

923
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: We have a real problem with how we teach about

924
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: the civil rights movement. I think we like we talk

925
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: a lot about nonviolence, but like non violence does not

926
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 3: encapitulate the entirety of the activism that they gave the

927
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 3: one civil rights for black people in the United States,

928
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: And I think we're kind of doing it a service

929
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: to young people, or maybe we're doing a service to

930
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: the state by ignoring that. But we have a long

931
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 3: history of people taking that is into their own hands

932
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: and seizing rights back from the state, right, And I

933
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: think if we see things in those terms, then we

934
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: can take inspiration from the people of Myanmar, because they

935
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 3: have that too, and they acted on it right, and

936
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: they refused to comply, like you were saying, Francesco, that

937
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: they didn't want to just go along with it and

938
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: keep themselves down, like they've seen other people do that

939
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 3: for too long, and they'd seen where it got them

940
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: and that they were done with it. And I think,

941
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: like and the way they like they have so much

942
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: joy in what they're doing makes me so happy, Like

943
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 3: like you know, they make their music videos, they dance

944
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: like that, they that you know that like that. I

945
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 3: think people like who report on conflicts sometimes we only

946
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: focus on the sad stuff, and I get that, but

947
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: like there's a sense of joy in these moments when

948
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 3: you stand up to the state and you're like, now,

949
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: fuck you, I'm not doing this anymore, and like and

950
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: then you realize that like you can push them back.

951
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: And I've seen it in Rajavre and I've seen it here,

952
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: Like like there's a sense of joy that people get

953
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 3: when they liberate themselves, like in that moment, and it's

954
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: really beautiful. And like, I think if more people here

955
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 3: could understand and experience that, maybe they'd be a little

956
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: more confident or a little less despairing that, like, there

957
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: are things that we can do and it doesn't we

958
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: don't need fucking predator drones and ten billion dollars or

959
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: whatever like that. There are things that that people have

960
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: done all over the world to stand up to Turney.

961
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: Well, that's really kind of my other question, just sort

962
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: of geopolitically, like can this revolution win is so long

963
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: as China, Russia, so long as the hunter gets this

964
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: funding and or do they need some kind of international

965
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: support and what does that look like in a country

966
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: at a time when let's say the United States, which again,

967
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: if it had any shred of good faith internationalism left.

968
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: I mean it's like that's kind of flying into the

969
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: win now. But I mean, you know, I always like

970
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: to think sort of in the future, like foreign policy wise,

971
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: like what should we be advocating for. I don't know what. Yeah,

972
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that?

973
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like there's internationalism that supports Mema. Right, it comes

974
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 3: from people not from the States, So they're volunteers who

975
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 3: fought in Russia, but who are fighting in Meama. Now

976
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: get a dictatorship there. Right, the revolution has succeeded that

977
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: the will the revolution succeed in cities? Right? And that's

978
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: a different question because is ay urban more throws a

979
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: different thing. But they have taken big cities. The three

980
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 3: major cities would be Napid or Yangon and mandal A. Right,

981
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 3: mandal haven't just been devastated by the earthquake. A lot

982
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: of that would depend on their ability to shoot down

983
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: aircraft and like the states of the world have been

984
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 3: very reticent to give non state actors anti aircraft missiles

985
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: for for a long time. Right, it would make your

986
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 3: holiday in Thailand a lot Let's say, if people just

987
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 3: running it, running around the whole area with anti aircraft systems,

988
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: So like, some of it depends on how can they

989
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: do that? But there are other ways to achieve that, right, Like,

990
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: if the Hunter can't get jet fuel, it can't fight

991
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: it's aircraft if it can't get weapons to drop from

992
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: its aircraft. Israel has also supplied the Hunter with weapons.

993
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: That's pretable.

994
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I didn't include that one better

995
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: little nugget included during the range of genocide, So like,

996
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 3: can we stop them getting jet fuel another way? Right,

997
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: that's something that like the neoliberal countries could do real easy.

998
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: Right now, if Russia and China want to keep supplying them,

999
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 3: then that becomes a different question. It's it's how quickly

1000
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: can the revolution scale up its capacities to deal with that?

1001
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: Right?

1002
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 3: What they have done so far is like US drone

1003
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 3: civilian over the counter drones to drop bombs on aircraft

1004
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: for they're hanging out at their fields. Right, they have

1005
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: a couple of surface to wear missiles. They shut down

1006
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: a helicopter, but to my note, they have shot down

1007
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: some fast yets, but only one or two. So like

1008
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 3: that is an important question. But if in the answer

1009
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: to can succeed like the answer is yes, right, Like,

1010
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: eventually all those jets have pilots, and those pilots aren't bulletproof,

1011
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 3: but like they.

1012
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: Were also in a really interesting moment with the sorry interrupt,

1013
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: but like, you know, this massive earthquake and your government

1014
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: is still bombing people.

1015
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are we doing exactly?

1016
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, people know that their government is shipped

1017
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: for the most part in me, right, but it's I

1018
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: think that that's the other thing, right, most people support

1019
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: the revuls, even people with family in the military to

1020
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 3: support the revolution, right, And so like the Hunter's morale,

1021
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: it's military morale is so low. You have these mass

1022
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: surrenderings of thousands of troops, right wow, and often these

1023
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 3: troops that they'll bargain them back, so the Hunter will

1024
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 3: get them back and they'll deploy these guys again and

1025
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: they'll get captured for a second time. Right, Like you know,

1026
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 3: like morale is not high, and so I think it

1027
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: can win because you can only go on for so

1028
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: far with this with this morale, right Like, and over time,

1029
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 3: one of the ways that they've armed themselves is people

1030
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: from the Hunter defecting and so like they can continue

1031
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: to get armaments, including anti air capability. That way, China

1032
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: has kind of flipped and flocked on the revolution, but

1033
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 3: there's a possibility of China continuing to support it if

1034
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 3: it gets more mad with the Hunter. There's a whole

1035
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 3: issue of scam compounds, which we haven't talked about, but

1036
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 3: you know, when you get those text messages so like hey,

1037
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 3: we mean for lunch, it's Karen or whatever.

1038
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, when are we playing golf? I saw a

1039
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 2: tex thread of someone really kind of being like are

1040
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 2: you okay? And all this other information came out from

1041
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: something like that.

1042
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Chinese nationals or other foreign nationals who have

1043
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 3: been kidnapped and they are in these scam compounds along

1044
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 3: the Burmese borders, and they yeah, they It started in

1045
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 3: COVID when the casinos sort of used to be like

1046
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: casinos kind of operated outside of the rule of Burmese

1047
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 3: law there, and Chinese nationals would go imagine like kind

1048
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: of Las Vegas on steroids, right, like, I mean seriously,

1049
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 3: on steroids, you've got like white tigers and shit. But

1050
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 3: and COVID people didn't want to go to casinos, so

1051
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 3: they started running these scams. They called it pig butchering.

1052
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 3: They like fatten up the pig and then butcher it.

1053
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 3: They develop their relationship with you and then scam you.

1054
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 3: So a lot of Chinese nationals are basically enslaved in

1055
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 3: these compounds right doing this scamming work, and that that

1056
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: has been a major issue between China and the Hunter

1057
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 3: because the Hunter has done nothing about it, and most

1058
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: of the groups it's that run those scam compounds support

1059
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 3: the Hunter or at least rely on it to sort

1060
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 3: of give them sovereignty in those areas. So there's this

1061
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 3: whole other and like you can even see them from

1062
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 3: from the Tai side, like across in reality in that area.

1063
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 3: And thousands of people they a number a number of

1064
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 3: them just released thousands of people because a famous Chinese

1065
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 3: actor was scammed. So they'll put like a job posting

1066
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 3: like hey come this tech job interview. It's really well paying,

1067
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: the benefits are great, and then kidnapped people and force

1068
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 3: them to do these these pig butchering schemes.

1069
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: And the money is going where.

1070
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 3: To the people who run scam compounds that these that

1071
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 3: they're making. I think I saw it. It's like in

1072
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 3: the in the order of tens of billions of dollars. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a massive. They'll actually let you. So they're like, hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm starting a business, can you loan me a thousand dollars?

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Speaker 3: And the person loans them a grand and they'll pay

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Speaker 3: them back and then they'll be like, hey, can you

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Speaker 3: get twenty.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's a very well thought out thing.

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Speaker 2: There's so many scams like that using you know, fake

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Speaker 2: jobs and crypto and people having to pay to unlock

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Speaker 2: more payments and they're like, well, I got a little

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Speaker 2: bit of money from when I started.

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Speaker 3: And then it's you till you're confident, and then you

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Speaker 3: really find exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've given it all the way. Well, James Stout,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us on the dailies.

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Speaker 2: I guess eye opening is probably the understatement of the year.

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Speaker 2: I would say for this conversation, where do people find you?

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Speaker 2: Follow you, read your work, hear you all of that

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Speaker 2: good stuff? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Cool, so I do. It could happen here with my

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00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: colleagues there. We make a podcast five days a week,

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00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 3: and so that's a lot of content. If you're not

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Speaker 3: getting enough here, you can find us anywhere. That could

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00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 3: podcast given away for free. I have a Patreon. It's

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00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 3: just my name you can search it and I write there,

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Speaker 3: write a lot about Memm. That's where I started writing

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00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 3: about Memma. Those are two big things. You can also

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Speaker 3: find me doing mutual aid at the Southern Boarder of

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Speaker 3: the United States, So if you want to come help out,

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Speaker 3: you can, and I would encourage you to do so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, oh. I was going to ask you

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Speaker 2: what is a piece of media? And I know when

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00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: we were asking you, like, is it okay if it's

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00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: not in English? I said, absolutely, put us onto something different, please, please,

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Speaker 2: What does the work of media that you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 3: So I enjoy a lot of stuff from me and

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Speaker 3: try and keep up to date with that. Recently, I've

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Speaker 3: just been going back to the music I listened to,

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Speaker 3: like when I was a lot younger. I've been listening

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Speaker 3: to like early stereophonics and Manatory Preachers shit. When I

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00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 3: was like sixteen, I volunteered in an orphanage for your

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Speaker 3: diversity kids in Romania and we had like a boom

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Speaker 3: box and two CDs, you know, and so like that

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Speaker 3: takes me back to that time in my life.

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Speaker 1: Jeez, it been lifelong on this. It's so dope too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: finally actually meet you. I've been listening to your pod

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Speaker 1: oh for a while now, so cool.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, it's nice, but of course very weird

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Speaker 3: to meet people who listen because you do. I know.

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Speaker 2: It always is like I'm always I always think people

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Speaker 2: are lying when they're like, yell yeah, I mean yeah.

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Speaker 2: I get into my closet and I yell for yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then I don't know. I mean, I know, I

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Speaker 2: see that people do listen, but.

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Speaker 1: It's as if that's not what the intention of our

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Speaker 1: shows is.

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Speaker 2: Howay, what are you the cops? You're like what, I

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Speaker 2: don't know? I'm a fan? What the fuck? Oh? My

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Speaker 2: bad man? Sorry, I'm on it. I'm on it. I'm

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Speaker 2: on it. Uh. Francisco, thank you so much for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Where do people find you? Follow you here you see

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Speaker 2: all of the.

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Speaker 1: Great work Situation Room podcast and come see me and

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Speaker 1: Matt Leeb live in San Francisco on Wednesday, May seventh,

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Speaker 1: that Cops Comedy tickets. Fan Jessica Fioranndini dot com.

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Speaker 2: Boom boom boom. Is there a work of media that

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Speaker 2: you've been enjoyed? Shit, it better be in a foreign language.

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Speaker 1: I forgot to prepare.

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00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 2: Something in Catalan. I saw James James Beak Catalan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. My PhD was in I write about

1143
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: the anti fascist Olympics. Oh my god, yeah, I've written

1144
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 3: done by my book. By the way, this is the

1145
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 3: beast time you hey, someone say it's not a podcast.

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00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: I've written a book about that. It's very of a price.

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00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 3: It's an academic book. I wouldn't pay for it by

1148
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 3: it's too much money. Just so just go to the

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00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 3: library if you want to read about that. And awsin

1150
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Speaker 3: too awesome to get it.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is old or not, but

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Speaker 1: there is a video of somebody or I think it's

1154
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: a TikTok of somebody trying to get into a an

1155
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: LA fitness with a fish using the scanning the fish,

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00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: and someone just put it brought into my attention because

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Speaker 1: they retweeted it with a like, you know how I'm

1158
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: going to get into all the like anti trans you know,

1159
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Speaker 1: gems or whatever. But it doesn't whatever, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: But it's the fucking funniest video. And she's like, that

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Speaker 1: is not an LA fitness, that is a fish.

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Speaker 2: He just goes up to the thing and goes bbee.

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Speaker 2: I don't know I don't know, maybe.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get in with this cod She's like, I'm

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Speaker 1: calling the cops. The fucking funniest I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, first piece of media like is from at Jeremy

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Speaker 2: Kappoliz dot com. It's on Blue Sky. It's the like

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Speaker 2: quote like a clearly a tweet from over there, the

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Speaker 2: shitty website, and it says it has like a picture

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Speaker 2: of sunglasses where it's like looking down the street, but

1171
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: through the lenses it looks like sort of gibbly esque

1172
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Speaker 2: through the lenses of like the city scape. And it says,

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00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: could we have Apple, Google and open Ai working together

1174
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: to give us Google Glass tech with a jibly switch please?

1175
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: And then Jeremy quote t too that said getting hit

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Speaker 2: by a bus because I think it's a big fuzzy

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00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: cat with fucked up hands sounds yeah, that's how that

1178
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Speaker 2: would end. There's no such thing as a mecal bus.

1179
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Speaker 2: Also at Victor winstout dot psky dot social posted I

1180
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: bought Twitter for forty four billion and sold it back

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Speaker 2: to myself for thirty three billion. I have forty three

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Speaker 2: kids and no friends. Everything I make explodes, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Because Elon sold himself or Grock bought tweets, sold yeah

1184
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 4: to Xai and then said, but we bought it at

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Speaker 4: thirty three billion, So now that means the price is

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Speaker 4: that's what it costs.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: It's so.

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Speaker 1: It's there used to be laws.

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Speaker 2: There used to be fucking laws, and this is clearly

1191
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 2: just self dealing in order to help your stock price

1192
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: so you can avoid your debts. Anyway, guys, let's all

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Speaker 2: strive to be a billionaire as we haven't say something.

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Speaker 3: James, No, I'm not a billion arrow dog.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well one day. Yeah, you're not sweating on your

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Speaker 2: what time do you wake up? James?

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Speaker 3: Sorry?

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Speaker 2: And I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I didn't you know, I didn't even duct take my

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Speaker 3: fucking mouth.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly, I was gonna say, you didn't enter

1202
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Speaker 2: this with a nose strip and a duct tape and

1203
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 2: then emerging from an ice bucket of Saratoga Springs ice water. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm ready.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I need to get on my grind set

1206
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 3: and do that. Yeah, you'd be very painful. I feel

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Speaker 3: like I've got like facial hair.

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Speaker 2: In the d tail. Yeah yeah, but that's how you

1209
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: know you're on your grizzy. Okay, So yeah, I worried

1210
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Speaker 2: about that, you know. Yeah, you can find me at

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Speaker 2: Miles of Gray pretty much everywhere they have at Symbols,

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Speaker 2: you can find me and Jack talking about basketball Miles

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Speaker 2: and Jack. I'm Boosti's I also talk about ninety day

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Speaker 2: Fiance on four to twenty Day Fiance my escape from

1215
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Speaker 2: talking about the news and everything else. So check me

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Speaker 2: out there. You can also find us at Daily Zeitgeist

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Speaker 2: on Twitter, at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We're also

1218
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Speaker 2: at Daily zeis Geist on Blue Sky everywhere. You can

1219
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Speaker 2: also if you're listening to this episode, just check out

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Speaker 2: the little notes section where you can find all the

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Speaker 2: links to this show. It's also called the Photos Thank You,

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Speaker 2: as well as a song We're Gonna Ride Out on.

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Speaker 2: We're Gonna Go Out on a track from LA's very

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Speaker 2: Own Georgia and Muldreau. She's like one of those like

1225
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Speaker 2: avant garde musicians who has been in the scene like forever.

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Speaker 2: Like if you went to Low End Theory, you're probably

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Speaker 2: familiar with her. She's now signed to Flying Lotus's Brain

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Speaker 2: Feeder label. This track is called Woo Punk. It's very

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Speaker 2: dope heer. She's just like, she's just so talented. She's

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Speaker 2: like a producer musician, so she does it all in

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Speaker 2: This track is just so bidy and nice, nice to

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Speaker 2: just kick back to. So this is Woo Punk by

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Speaker 2: Georgia and Muldreau and that's it. You can find us

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Speaker 2: pretty much everywhere on you wherever they give away the

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Speaker 2: podcast for free. As James said, that's going to do

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Speaker 2: it for us today. We will be back later on

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Speaker 2: to tell you what is trending. So until then we

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Speaker 2: will see you. Be safe. Bye bye bye heye