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Speaker 1: All right, this is the story about the Astros. Topic
Speaker 1: came up some viewers apparently thought they heard whistling noises.
Speaker 1: During Houston's win over the Red Sox, A whistling sound
Speaker 1: could be heard just before a home run was hit
Speaker 1: off Chris Sale, giving the Astros a one nothing lead
Speaker 1: in the second The whistling sound sounded like the whistling
Speaker 1: that took place a couple of years ago the twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen World Series run. Maybe a coincidence, but the whistles
Speaker 1: sounded identical to the one that we heard before jose
Speaker 1: L Twov had a home run in Game four. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do we have audio of the whistling there?
Speaker 1: It's a little obvious. Oh is how what it was?
Speaker 1: I don't know what I can. You know, somebody's gonna go.
Speaker 1: I heard on the Dan Patricks Show they actually had whistling.
Speaker 1: It sounded like, you know, the Andy Griffith Show. Oh
Speaker 1: that's a curveball. Yeah, yeah, pull. It's like any story
Speaker 1: that's even got a whiff of truth to it is
Speaker 1: gonna get published because it's the Astros. Like if I
Speaker 1: were sitting out in left field and I was a
Speaker 1: Red Sox fan, I just shall curveball, yeah and see
Speaker 1: if like the National media picked it up. Baseball conducted
Speaker 1: an investigation and uh, you know, heard whistling, but there
Speaker 1: was no proof that the Astros were guilty of using
Speaker 1: using whistling sounds to alert their hitters as to what's coming. Oh,
Speaker 1: the Astros were accused of whistling. In twenty nineteen, a
Speaker 1: man named Rafael Garcia did a deep analysis of the
Speaker 1: Astros game and claimed he identified a pattern of sounds.
Speaker 1: Here video that Garcia put together shows different whistles. Two
Speaker 1: different whistles, one that Garcia believes signaled fastball, the other
Speaker 1: one to signify off speed pitches. The alleged fastball whistle
Speaker 1: was a little bit longer, a flatter whistle. Raphael Garcia
Speaker 1: the whistle blow. But this was at Fenway, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, is there, ah, you know, some camera, there
Speaker 1: a mole in the I'm trying to think where you
Speaker 1: have somebody. Although there was an interesting light on display
Speaker 1: in center field with the Red Sox and the Astros.
Speaker 1: The the umpires actually stopped, you know, like what's the
Speaker 1: light up there? I don't know if it's the light?
Speaker 1: You know, is there morse code here? The Astros can run,
Speaker 1: but you can hide from it, Yes, McLevin. I mean
Speaker 1: the amazing thing about the story is the fans were
Speaker 1: in on catching the Astros. John Boy and all those
Speaker 1: guys had all these clips, yeah of the sound. So
Speaker 1: now like you gotta trust the fans, as somebody said,
Speaker 1: or at least open your mind to it. Well, I
Speaker 1: do I think that they were making noises signifying a
Speaker 1: pitch signaling a pitch? Yes, absolutely, I do. Um it
Speaker 1: was a little more systematic than we're used to it.
Speaker 1: Main it was too overt, and it like it was
Speaker 1: so obvious when when you became aware of it, you're like,
Speaker 1: how did I miss this? And do I think that
Speaker 1: this is still going on? Probably, but maybe they're actually
Speaker 1: stealing the signs in a legitimate way, like no technology here. Yes, ton,
Speaker 1: I guess if you can and I kept what I'm
Speaker 1: saying this as a supposed Astro fan. If you're not
Speaker 1: an Astros, if you could bang a trash can and
Speaker 1: the noise that mix, I guess what would Why would
Speaker 1: you not do a faint whistle sound if you would
Speaker 1: do something that's plaining this banging on a trash can. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard to probably on a road trip to Fenway
Speaker 1: bring in garbage cans. You know, that's part of your
Speaker 1: you know, your checked bags. You know, when you show
Speaker 1: up at the airport, like a couple of garbage scams
Speaker 1: roll out, like who are those? Oh? Those are the Astros.
Speaker 1: You know, we take out our own garbage. We're environmentally friendly. Yes,
Speaker 1: I love it. They have all these Harvard analytic guys
Speaker 1: and all these advanced mathematicians and they bang our garbage can.
Speaker 1: That's the analytics. Yeah, pull by the way, Josel Tube.
Speaker 1: Before the alleged cheating scandles, I have to say alleged anymore.
Speaker 1: But the Astros, I don't think it's proven. Well, two
Speaker 1: guys lost their jobs, so something happened, not alleged. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't get fired because of an alleged
Speaker 1: cheating scandal. He was making three point five million dollars
Speaker 1: a year before. He's now making twenty nine million a year.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, And he's gonna be a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer when it's all said and done. And it always
Speaker 1: goes back to the same bottom line for me. Somebody
Speaker 1: did something at some point and was it worth it? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you say I go from three and a half
Speaker 1: million to twenty nine million. I'm still going to go
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. I still got a World
Speaker 1: Series ring. Yeah. Was it worth the risk to Barry Bonds?
Speaker 1: Was it worth the risk to Mark McGuire? I guess
Speaker 1: a Rod doesn't seem to be suffering, but the fan
Speaker 1: I felt. I don't normally feel bad for a Rod,
Speaker 1: but I did feel a little bit bad for him.
Speaker 1: With the Red Sox fans, they were chanting, uh, you
Speaker 1: know Ben Afflack, Hey, Rod, what's your favorite Ben Affleck movie?
Speaker 1: And then it'd be you know, j Lo ja oh man,
Speaker 1: that's kind of rough, that's that stuff. Yes, could you
Speaker 1: argue that for Barry Bonds it wasn't worth it because
Speaker 1: he was so good without it that he kind of
Speaker 1: ruined it. He made a lot of money, Yeah, made
Speaker 1: a lot of money. He was making twenty million dollars
Speaker 1: a year because he was, you know, putting up these
Speaker 1: incredible note His baseball career was, you know, on the
Speaker 1: decline and then all of a sudden, you know, he
Speaker 1: was a different player. But he cheated on the test
Speaker 1: and got a hundred. Yeah, you gotta get the eighty
Speaker 1: five when you're now worth it? For Lance Armstrong, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you don't want to cheat and get everything right now,
Speaker 1: Like Todd wanted to get everyone every one of those right,
Speaker 1: and therefore he cheated to get every one of them right. Yes.
Speaker 1: One of the best things that's happened with sort of
Speaker 1: just how screen resolution has developed with TV is that
Speaker 1: now everybody takes pictures of their TV to show, like,
Speaker 1: what's with this sweat line on this picture's forehead? Anybody
Speaker 1: else see this dot back here? Like, and sometimes you
Speaker 1: can tell it's so obvious that like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: this dude's not sweating, he's but he's got a very
Speaker 1: shiny forehead. Yeah, it's it's a it's not a good
Speaker 1: time to be on TV if you have any kind
Speaker 1: of blemishes, you know, or you're you know, you're coloring
Speaker 1: your hair or anything, because those TVs not friendly. They
Speaker 1: are brutal, brutal. I had I had an auburn run
Speaker 1: with my hair back with the Mothership, and uh yeah.
Speaker 1: At the time, you're like, yeah, I think it looks
Speaker 1: pretty good, and then all of a sudden you look
Speaker 1: back and you go, Nope, it did not look good.
Speaker 1: I was I was the auburn tiger back then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's where you curse that red jean that you
Speaker 1: have in your hair being irish? Damn you mom? All right, um,
Speaker 1: we'll get to phone calls here. Let's see anything else.
Speaker 1: We got the Thursday night game. We got Bronchos and
Speaker 1: the Browns. Yeah, who's excited? Doug in North Carolina is
Speaker 1: excited about the Broncos and the Browns, Right, Doug? No,
Speaker 1: I'm mad, Damn, I'm mad. I'm not excited. Okay, It's
Speaker 1: been a while since I've called up using myself proclaimed
Speaker 1: title as the president of the Todd Fritz Fan Club,
Speaker 1: but this morning I have to call on behalf of
Speaker 1: the Todd Nation. Okay. Our slogan, by the way, is
Speaker 1: the Todd Nation. We're human numbers and short on the
Speaker 1: letter D. But the Todd Nason wants to propose a
Speaker 1: little bet with you. If during the broadcast tonight the
Speaker 1: Fox shows not mentioned but actually shows the clip of
Speaker 1: the drive, then Dan does a shower of shame. And
Speaker 1: if they don't, Todd does the shower of shame? Are
Speaker 1: you willing to put it up? I don't know, because
Speaker 1: you know what, I can't help Fox program, you know
Speaker 1: their football game? There? You know what, Doug I'll give
Speaker 1: it some thought, and I appreciate somebody standing up for Fritzie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I helped program the Mothership for eighteen years.
Speaker 1: That's heavy lifting to tell Fox what to do yes time,
Speaker 1: what if? Todd Nasion? And I appreciate the support was
Speaker 1: to raise the stakes and say that they would show
Speaker 1: the drive and the fumble, not just the drive. How
Speaker 1: does that affect the bet? Well, I think they have
Speaker 1: to dress this game up. It's like putting earrings on
Speaker 1: a pig, like, you know, you got to do something.
Speaker 1: They got to find a hook here somewhere. Do I
Speaker 1: think Fox shows that tonight? I'm gonna say they do
Speaker 1: because I think they're desperate. I think this is desperate times,
Speaker 1: desperate measures. Who cares if this happened back in the eighties,
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. It's it's the Browns, it's the Broncos. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no impact, no meaning for tonight's game. But do
Speaker 1: I think they'll do it? Yeah? Because what else are
Speaker 1: you going to show? How about first quarter? First quarter?
Speaker 1: Or do you think it's it's more obvious to show
Speaker 1: it in the first quarter because you get to the
Speaker 1: third quarter, fourth quarter. Nobody's going to care and least
Speaker 1: you would have a drive or a fumble and then
Speaker 1: you could hit the wayback machine. No, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to take this bet. Sucker bet now, I'm not gonna do.
Speaker 1: You're smart to not take that bet. Thank you, Todd,
Speaker 1: Thank you. You know what, maybe I should text Joe Buck.
Speaker 1: Maybe Joe could have it in the second quarter, and
Speaker 1: Todd takes it. Joe Buck shows up to the Rundown
Speaker 1: meeting today. Guys, I got a couple of thoughts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking maybe the way don't show the
Speaker 1: drive by John Elway, we don't show the fumble by
Speaker 1: Ernest Biner, or at least save it to look at
Speaker 1: a mid second quarter at the earlier. Yeah, you may
Speaker 1: need some fill time, and you know that's where you
Speaker 1: bring that in a right So Doug nights try NBA
Speaker 1: can't be happy that a certain left hander didn't suit
Speaker 1: up for last night Sixers Pelicans game. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about Ben Simmons, although I'm not sure he's a lefty.
Speaker 1: Zion Williamson still out with a foot injury. He's a
Speaker 1: big draw. This is a big deal. Reportedly, he weighs
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds and having foot surgery. They don't know
Speaker 1: when he's going to come back. That's the kind of
Speaker 1: thing that is a reoccurring the possibility for a reoccurring injury.
Speaker 1: And you know what, nobody's talking about it right now.
Speaker 1: With Lebron, Katie and Steph getting older, it's not Claire.
Speaker 1: Where those new superstars. You know, you have Jannis, you
Speaker 1: have Luca, Trey Young, but you know the league loves
Speaker 1: to promote these new stars. But Zion Williamson, who knows
Speaker 1: when he's going to be able to come back? Last
Speaker 1: year's number one overall pick Anthony Edwards. He's dynamic. But
Speaker 1: the Timberwolves aren't any good. Detroit's got Kade Cunningham and
Speaker 1: Houston's got Jalen Green. They might be great, but are
Speaker 1: you going to see him? The stars come out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Nobody thought Steph Curry would be Steph Curry. You probably
Speaker 1: didn't think LaMelo Ball would be LaMelo Ball. He's fun,
Speaker 1: he is fun, and he was great again last night.
Speaker 1: But Zion Williamson out and not sure of a time
Speaker 1: frame on returning. To me, it's a big deal, big deal.
Speaker 1: A couple of phone calls in here Sean and Kansas
Speaker 1: joins us Hi Sean, what's on your mind? Six foot one? Well,
Speaker 1: I was just wondering tonight, if case Keenum sucks, how
Speaker 1: long until the Browns management calls Cam Newton. Uh, if
Speaker 1: if Baker was out, then they they might. But Baker's
Speaker 1: not going to be out. He's going to continue to play,
Speaker 1: and case keenom is he's paid as a high end backup.
Speaker 1: And I don't think they, you know, move on. The
Speaker 1: only way that Cam gets a job he got vaccinated.
Speaker 1: The only way he gets a job is if a
Speaker 1: starter is out for a team that has, you know,
Speaker 1: the possibility making the playoffs. But I don't see that
Speaker 1: in Cleveland because they would probably still want to stay
Speaker 1: with with case Keenum. And plus there was a report
Speaker 1: that you know, the Seahawks reached out to Cam Newton
Speaker 1: when Russell Wilson got injured. I don't want to bring
Speaker 1: Cam Newton in, you know, it's you know Smith is
Speaker 1: fine for the next two weeks, then Russ is going
Speaker 1: to be back. I don't want to bring Cam in
Speaker 1: to then have to release Cam right just you know,
Speaker 1: I'd want to be fair to him and give him
Speaker 1: an opportunity. If I'm Cam, I don't want to go
Speaker 1: into the Seattle situation. I'd rather want to wait until
Speaker 1: if somebody goes down with an injury and it's for
Speaker 1: the rest of the season, like Pittsburgh, then maybe Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: would look at Cam Newton. Maybe. Yeah, club, but it's
Speaker 1: week seven. Doesn't it take a long time to learn
Speaker 1: the offense? Yes, and you just can't because you have
Speaker 1: to sort of cater your offense to Cam Newton. You know,
Speaker 1: New England did that, but they had an offseason to
Speaker 1: be able to do that. And Gino Smith's been there
Speaker 1: for three years. He knows the offense and he did fine.
Speaker 1: I mean he's a backup quarterback for a reason. Ye
Speaker 1: ask me. Club. They signed Jacob Easing yesterday, the Colts
Speaker 1: cut him, remember that guy, Georgia and now Seattle, so
Speaker 1: they're clearly not signing Cam. No, no, I don't see
Speaker 1: that happening. All right, let's take a break. More phone
Speaker 1: calls coming up. Mike Florio on the future of Deshaun Watson.
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Speaker 1: Peacock app. By the way, last day for Carson Palmer's
Speaker 1: Heisman trophy here in the man Cave. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: I gotta send it backy. I just sources close to
Speaker 1: me tell me I need to send it back to
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer. Are winds being vacated too or no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no no. This isn't a Reggie Bush situation. No no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. But I have to send Carson Palmer's Heisman
Speaker 1: trophy back. It was a gift from him to It
Speaker 1: wasn't a gift, that's how you thought of it. I did,
Speaker 1: and then I found out later that it was a loan.
Speaker 1: That's it. This is the last day of Carson Palmer's
Speaker 1: Heisman trophy. We were the only man cave in America
Speaker 1: that had a heisman trophy in it. We had the heisman.
Speaker 1: Now we're getting the heisman from Carson Palmer. So you
Speaker 1: guys want to say goodbye to it however you want
Speaker 1: to in your own personal way. It's been a wonderful
Speaker 1: addition here to the man cave. Yes, point, like the
Speaker 1: Stanley Cup, can we each have it for a day
Speaker 1: real quick? No, we don't get Stanley Cup. We had
Speaker 1: Harold Reynolds Gold Glove. We had to give that back.
Speaker 1: Darius Rutger's grammy had to give that back. And now
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer wants his Heisman trophy back. Yes, do we
Speaker 1: call other Heisman trophy back if they want to. Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow seems to like us. He won the Heisman Gino Tretta.
Speaker 1: He not doing anything with Eric Crouch. What's Eric Crouch
Speaker 1: doing with this Heisman trophy? Yes? Time? Now, can we
Speaker 1: paint like a DP logo on the helmet? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: can't even goof around with this. It's got its own suitcase,
Speaker 1: special suitcase, the Heisman suitcase. It turns out that these
Speaker 1: institutions that give out prestigious awards don't appreciate the recipients,
Speaker 1: naving them out. Then a second time, Yeah, that might
Speaker 1: have something to do with it. They don't appreciate you. Ever,
Speaker 1: when the Grammys said they found out Darius Rutgers grammy
Speaker 1: was on my desk and they're like, you get that
Speaker 1: back right now, And Darius calls me in a panic.
Speaker 1: He goes, you got to send it overnight. I go what.
Speaker 1: He goes, I might not win another grammy. I said, well,
Speaker 1: that had nothing to do with me. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it might, so he had to ship that overnight to him.
Speaker 1: Mike Florio pro Football Talk Live co host, joining us
Speaker 1: on the program. Mike, good morning. How are you. I'm
Speaker 1: doing great, Dan, how are you? I'm doing okay until
Speaker 1: I just got the word. Carson Palmer wants his heisman back.
Speaker 1: You can have mine? Yeah, you got one? Yeah? No, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything. I don't have anything that you
Speaker 1: would ever want, So you don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 1: Do you have any trophies on your mantle? No? None, none.
Speaker 1: I could say something smart or funny or cute, I
Speaker 1: have none. I have nothing. I'm an embarrassment to everyone.
Speaker 1: All right, Why is this report on Deshaun Watson feel
Speaker 1: a little more real than what we heard maybe a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Well, we're getting closer and closer
Speaker 1: to the deadline for twenty twenty one, and look back
Speaker 1: in late August early September. This was pointing toward a
Speaker 1: transaction between the Texans and the Dolphins. The problem is
Speaker 1: the Dolphins refused to blink when it comes to what
Speaker 1: the Texans want, and the Texans refused to blink when
Speaker 1: it comes to what the Dolphins wanted to give. So
Speaker 1: it fell apart, but it continues to linger. It's going
Speaker 1: to happen either after the season or it's going to
Speaker 1: happen between now and November two at four pm Eastern.
Speaker 1: I think what happened yesterday was an effort by the
Speaker 1: Texans to get the word out to anyone else who
Speaker 1: may want to come to the table. We know a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago the Panthers may have not been interested,
Speaker 1: Now maybe they are. A few weeks ago, the Broncos
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been interested, Now maybe they are. Let's see,
Speaker 1: Well the Eagles come to the table. Let's see, because
Speaker 1: if others come to the table, price goes up and
Speaker 1: it may get Stephen Ross, who badly wants to make
Speaker 1: Watson in Miami. Dolphins finally say to the Texans, fine,
Speaker 1: we'll give you what you want. The Texans don't want
Speaker 1: to relent because they don't look at it as a
Speaker 1: one or a two year trade. They look at us
Speaker 1: a ten year transaction. So you shouldn't worry about what
Speaker 1: you give us now, whether or not he's going to
Speaker 1: be available in the short term. He's going to be
Speaker 1: your quarterback for ten years. So give us what we
Speaker 1: want because you're getting a franchise quarterback that's going to
Speaker 1: change potentially the fortune of your team. But if you're
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, what do you need to know before you
Speaker 1: make this deal? And what can you know before this?
Speaker 1: You know, the most important question is what happens with
Speaker 1: the grand jury that's eventually going to hear the ten
Speaker 1: criminal complaints that have been made against Watson. The twenty
Speaker 1: two civil complaints. They're not going to be resolved, but
Speaker 1: they're not nearly as troubling because you're not going to
Speaker 1: go to jail over the outcome of the twenty two
Speaker 1: civil complaints. The most pressing question Dan is if the
Speaker 1: Dolphins would trade for him today and then want to
Speaker 1: put him on the field on Sunday against the Falcons.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's extreme, but they would want to have
Speaker 1: him at practice, they'd want to have him ready to
Speaker 1: play in games. What will the league do? We reported
Speaker 1: several weeks back that the league has not made any
Speaker 1: decision about paid leave for Deshaun Watson because it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to. The Texans already have him on paid leave.
Speaker 1: He's getting paid, he's not playing. The league doesn't have
Speaker 1: to do anything. Why make a decision about paid leave
Speaker 1: when you don't have to. But the moment he'd be
Speaker 1: traded to a team that wants to put him on
Speaker 1: the field, that's when the league would have to activate
Speaker 1: its own process and make a decision do we put
Speaker 1: him on paid leave or do we not? And I
Speaker 1: think it would be naive to overlook the body blows
Speaker 1: that the league has been taking over the Washington football
Speaker 1: team investigation, the email scandal, in anything else. How does
Speaker 1: that factor into the broader pr assessment of what do
Speaker 1: we do with Deshaun Watson now that he's in a
Speaker 1: position where he's playing with these charges pending against him? Okay,
Speaker 1: but how do you suspend somebody who doesn't have criminal
Speaker 1: charges pending? Well, there's enough language in the Personal Conduct
Speaker 1: Policy to give the NFL the discretion based upon what
Speaker 1: they already know, based upon the investigation they've already done,
Speaker 1: if they want to come to the conclusion that it's
Speaker 1: possible that Deshaun Watson may have violated one or more
Speaker 1: of the terms of the Personal Conduct Policy, they can
Speaker 1: say you're on paid leave, and the NFL doesn't view
Speaker 1: that as punishment. As wrong as that is. Football players
Speaker 1: want to play football, but they don't view telling a
Speaker 1: guy you get paid to not play as punishment. They
Speaker 1: view it as no big deal. Well, it is a
Speaker 1: big deal for guys who want to play football and
Speaker 1: for the teams that want them to play. But why
Speaker 1: not suspend him now, though, Mike, Why because there's no
Speaker 1: reason to do it. Why do it? Why make a move?
Speaker 1: Why create a news cycle? Here's what happens if they
Speaker 1: would put him on paid leave now, because that's what
Speaker 1: this is, suspension with pay under the Personal Conduct Policy.
Speaker 1: You create a headline, you create an ap story that
Speaker 1: ends up in every newspaper, on every website. We're talking
Speaker 1: about it. How's the NFL justify putting Deshaun Watson on
Speaker 1: the commissioner example list when no charge has actually been
Speaker 1: finalized against him. But there's no reason to do it.
Speaker 1: There's no reason to do it, And I had someone
Speaker 1: from the league office explain this to me. Why make
Speaker 1: a step that could be a misstep when you just
Speaker 1: don't have to do it. The Texans are already paying
Speaker 1: him to not play. We reached down to the Texans
Speaker 1: and we said, why isn't Deshaun Watson playing? And we
Speaker 1: said whose decision? No response? Yeah right, he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to play for them. They don't want him to play
Speaker 1: and get injured and diminish the trade value. I think
Speaker 1: at some point it was just decided mutually this is
Speaker 1: where we are. We're gonna pay you to not play,
Speaker 1: We're gonna trade you. And I think they've been leading
Speaker 1: him to think it's coming. It's coming, it's coming. The
Speaker 1: question is do they get it done before November two
Speaker 1: or do they kick it over the next year. I
Speaker 1: think that they run the risk if they don't trade
Speaker 1: him buy November two, that he shows up and says,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. Let's go play some football. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's inclined to do that, but
Speaker 1: they run that risk because I think they've been telling
Speaker 1: him we'll get this done and that window closes in
Speaker 1: twelve days. Nobody wants to like what happens to to
Speaker 1: a tongue of Iloa. If Deshaun Watson ends up in Miami, well,
Speaker 1: if Deshaun Watson ends up on paid leave. You need
Speaker 1: to at least for the rest of the season. Now
Speaker 1: he's got that rookie Wade scale salary and cap hit,
Speaker 1: and it's not as difficult as it would have been
Speaker 1: ten fifteen years ago from a cap standpoint to move him.
Speaker 1: But yeah, then you got out of here and ask yourself,
Speaker 1: where does he go? And who's going to give you
Speaker 1: anything of value for a guy who who is showing
Speaker 1: us one week at a time that he's not going
Speaker 1: to be a franchise quarterback. That's what this all comes
Speaker 1: back to. They picked to him over Justin Herbert, and yeah,
Speaker 1: the two A mafia is starting to relent. I think
Speaker 1: after the month that he missed with the broken ribs
Speaker 1: and how he played. I mean they lost to the Jaguars,
Speaker 1: are up ten points. They lost to the Jaguars who
Speaker 1: hadn't won a game in twenty straight. I think people
Speaker 1: are starting to realize two is not going to be
Speaker 1: what the Dolphins they're looking for, which is basically their
Speaker 1: next day in Marino, and they've been trying to find
Speaker 1: him for more than twenty years. A lot of revisionist
Speaker 1: history with Justin Herbert, like he wasn't assured thing I
Speaker 1: know but it's amazing to me. Dan and I don't
Speaker 1: get too deep into the Weeds pre draft because we're
Speaker 1: trying to cover the whole league and everything that's happening.
Speaker 1: But you know you've met Tua. I've met Tua. I
Speaker 1: just Tua is short, and Tua isn't built like a
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson or Drew Breese. He's got a slight build
Speaker 1: to him. He had the injury questions coming in. I
Speaker 1: don't see how anyone wouldn't have decided to do an
Speaker 1: extra deep dive on Herbert versus two because Herbert's got
Speaker 1: the size, he's got the physique, and obviously he's been
Speaker 1: the better pick. And I think the Dolphins just viewed
Speaker 1: it as a no brainer. Here's two we want to
Speaker 1: The other guy they wanted was Joe Burrow. They couldn't
Speaker 1: get the Bengals to trade out of number one. There
Speaker 1: was never a discussion about the Dolphins wanting Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: and it should have at least been a discussion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I go back to the draft, and I had
Speaker 1: a source who said, you know, one thing you have
Speaker 1: to understand is how do you assess in Alabama quarterback?
Speaker 1: Because he has first round draft picks. They get open,
Speaker 1: you don't want to throw them open. And mac Jones
Speaker 1: dealt with this. They don't throw receivers open. They're open.
Speaker 1: You get to the pros, you must throw a receiver open.
Speaker 1: And you know, Dwayne Haskins had this at Ohio State.
Speaker 1: That's why it's hard. Sometimes when you look at this,
Speaker 1: he goes, how good is that quarterback? Justin Herbert has
Speaker 1: the arm to throw a receiver open and two Wood
Speaker 1: does not. And part of it, too, is you don't
Speaker 1: see those skills on display until you get to the
Speaker 1: next level and the challenge becomes more difficult. Do you
Speaker 1: rise up to it? One of the knocks on the
Speaker 1: Shawn Watson coming out of Clemston, too many interceptions and
Speaker 1: good luck cutting down on the interceptions when the window
Speaker 1: forgetting a guy the football shrinks. Well, you know what
Speaker 1: happened to Shaun Watson. By necessity, he got more accurate
Speaker 1: at the next level. So a lot of it is
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going to happen until they get there.
Speaker 1: But the warning signs were there with Towah, but Stephen
Speaker 1: Ross wanted to and there was no one in the
Speaker 1: organization with the ability to push back on Stephen Ross
Speaker 1: and now Stephen Rons wants to Sean and I feel
Speaker 1: like he's gonna get him. I let somebody else swoops
Speaker 1: in and says to the Texans, we'll give you what
Speaker 1: you want and send to Shawn our Way. We're talking
Speaker 1: to Mike floryal Pro Football Talk Live co host with
Speaker 1: Chris Simms, the show that precedes this on Peacock. The
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield situation is interesting because he's gonna, I guess
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport said, he's gonna need surgery on that shoulder
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, but he's going to
Speaker 1: try to play through this. Have you do you have
Speaker 1: enough of a sample size where if you're the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 1: you say, Okay, that's our franchise quarterback moving forward and
Speaker 1: we're going to pony up forty million dollars a year. No,
Speaker 1: absolutely not, and I laughed. In the offseason, they asked
Speaker 1: Browns general manager Andrew Barry whether or not that Jared
Speaker 1: Goffam Carson Wentz contract has become cautionary tales for the
Speaker 1: Browns and he said no. I think he had to
Speaker 1: say no. You know. The problem is Baker is headstrong
Speaker 1: he's a little prickly. He wants to take charge, and
Speaker 1: he views himself as being a great quarterback and that
Speaker 1: confidence has served him well. But if you look at
Speaker 1: his press conference from earlier this week, when he basically
Speaker 1: acted like it was his birthright to be the quarterback
Speaker 1: of the Browns and it's up to him and no
Speaker 1: one else whether he's going to play with this injured shoulder,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that he said that because it's not
Speaker 1: up to him, and at some point he is sufficiently
Speaker 1: diminished while he's trying to play with all harness on
Speaker 1: and the shoulder that keeps popping out, popping back in,
Speaker 1: He's sufficiently diminished where it makes more sense to go
Speaker 1: with the backup in case. Kingdom has proven he can
Speaker 1: get it done, especially when working with Kevin Stefanski. They
Speaker 1: went to the NFC Championship together in Minnesota four years ago.
Speaker 1: So with Baker now, the bigger question is what do
Speaker 1: you do? And Dan, this is something that kind of
Speaker 1: flickered from me yesterday. You look at the veteran quarterbacks
Speaker 1: out there that are looking for a Tom Brady scenario
Speaker 1: where they can go somewhere where the team has everything
Speaker 1: but me, whether it's Russell Wilson, whether it's Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: one of these veterans that is dissatisfied with the current
Speaker 1: situation wants to go to a place where the deck
Speaker 1: is stacked in their favor to win. The Browns become
Speaker 1: very attractive. They'd have to move on from Baker. But
Speaker 1: the Browns become attractive and Russell Wilson, by the way,
Speaker 1: it was born in Ohio. Wouldn't that be a story
Speaker 1: if Russell Wilson. I remember it was back in twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen that there was some talk about the Seahawks trading
Speaker 1: Wilson to the Browns for the first overall pick. It
Speaker 1: became Baker Mayfield. So ready for that because I think
Speaker 1: that's going to be coming in the offseason. But I
Speaker 1: think Seattle would have taken Josh Allen. Well, you could, hey, look,
Speaker 1: you could make the argument that Josh Allen's the best
Speaker 1: of that pack. It's either him or Lamar Jackson. And
Speaker 1: everything just told that Seattle did so much homework on
Speaker 1: Josh Allen that they were going to take Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: If they made that move the number one picked, they
Speaker 1: were taken Josh Allen five quarterbacks taken in that first round.
Speaker 1: Two of them clear cut and the other three look,
Speaker 1: we know Josh Rosen done, Sam Darnold, who knows Baker Mayfield?
Speaker 1: The only fair assessment at this point is who knows?
Speaker 1: Why would Aaron Rodgers leave the NFC North when you
Speaker 1: pencil in four wins? You got the Bears and the Lions.
Speaker 1: You got four wins, and you'll take one of the
Speaker 1: two games against Minnesota, so you got five wins guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Why would want Why would he want to leave that?
Speaker 1: You know, he laid out all of his concerns when
Speaker 1: he showed up for training camp, and I don't think
Speaker 1: those concerns automatically go away for a guy who's his
Speaker 1: headstrong as Aaron Rodgers. If there's a better opportunity out
Speaker 1: there for him to add to his legacy. These guys
Speaker 1: want to add to their legacies. You know. I say
Speaker 1: this all the time. When there's a kid who's like
Speaker 1: eight or nine years old and he always has to
Speaker 1: win and everything he does, we're like, that's a distasteful quality. Jimmy,
Speaker 1: let let the other kids have a turn. Let the
Speaker 1: other kids win from time to time. But when they're adults,
Speaker 1: and they're playing football. We worship that mindset where I
Speaker 1: gotta win at everything, I gotta win. I gotta win,
Speaker 1: I gotta win. I've got to win. It's not enough
Speaker 1: that I'm good and I contribute to the cause. I
Speaker 1: want to go to a place where everything is lined
Speaker 1: up in my favorite to win. And if there's another
Speaker 1: opportunity to like that out there for Aaron Rodgers, I mean,
Speaker 1: he wanted to go to the forty nine ers. Could
Speaker 1: you imagine how good the forty nine ers would be
Speaker 1: if he was their quarterback and not Jimmy Garoppolo or
Speaker 1: trade lance. So don't you think it comes down to,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Tom Brady saying, are you going to
Speaker 1: stay with that bleep? And he was talking about Garoppolo
Speaker 1: in San Francisco if they were to move on they've
Speaker 1: been trying to move on, Or maybe he was talking
Speaker 1: about Trubisky with Chicago. I don't know. Tom Brady wanted
Speaker 1: to play for the forty nine ers and the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers said no, thank you. And I think all
Speaker 1: this kind of strange dysfunction we've seen from the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers this year where they trade up from twelve
Speaker 1: to three and they want mac Jones unless they don't
Speaker 1: and they take Trey Lance and is he going to start?
Speaker 1: And what's up with Jimmy. I think they have freaked
Speaker 1: themselves out with Torment because they could have had Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes in twenty seventeen. It took Solomon Thomas instead because
Speaker 1: they thought they were getting Kirk Cousins the next year,
Speaker 1: and between the draft and free agency, they traded for
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo and then they had Tom Brady wanted to
Speaker 1: come home and played for the team he rooted for
Speaker 1: growing up. He was at the catch game. He wanted
Speaker 1: to come back. And you know what did the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers sea last during the Super Bowl? Mahomes and
Speaker 1: Brady and I think that freaked them out and they're
Speaker 1: still trying to recover from that. And then Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: you know, I think Aaron Rodgers thought maybe the Rams
Speaker 1: or maybe the Niners, that that's where he was to
Speaker 1: think that he was told. Then Dan, I think he
Speaker 1: was told that the Packers were going to trade him,
Speaker 1: and at some point between January and April they changed
Speaker 1: their mind. And I think that's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why this went to Deacon five or deacon one whatever
Speaker 1: the worst one is, I can never remember. But that's why.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why in late April this blew
Speaker 1: up because I think he was led to believe they
Speaker 1: were going to trade him, and then they eventually said, sorry,
Speaker 1: we can't do it this year. The man who has
Speaker 1: no awards, Mike Florio, none whatsoever, talk line, Well, you
Speaker 1: know maybe one day, maybe one day, Mike, I've now
Speaker 1: now I seek and will accept no external praise. Once
Speaker 1: you know you're not going to get it, it's very
Speaker 1: easy to take a stand on principle and say you
Speaker 1: don't want it. It's like the coach who takes himself
Speaker 1: out of the running for the job that he knows
Speaker 1: he's not going to get. I know that I will
Speaker 1: never get a vote, for example, like on who gets
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame. So I take a stand
Speaker 1: on principle that I don't want. Don't give it to me.
Speaker 1: I don't want it. Thank you. You're not going to
Speaker 1: get it. Too many see it. That's Mike Florio Pro
Speaker 1: Football Talk and Pro Football Talk dot Com. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll take a break. Last call for phone calls. What
Speaker 1: we learn what's in store tomorrow. That's coming up next
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Speaker 1: podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball
Speaker 1: all the time, but it's more about the stories about
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Speaker 1: interesting interactions along the way. We talked to coaches, we
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Speaker 1: Apple podcasts orerever you get your podcast. I saw where
Speaker 1: a freshman basketball play at the University of Kentucky has
Speaker 1: a name, image and likeness deal with a Porsche dealership.
Speaker 1: His name is tay Tay Washington and he gets to
Speaker 1: pull up on campus with a luxury vehicle that's probably
Speaker 1: six figures. He's projected to be a first round pick
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty two NBA draft. He is the
Speaker 1: number fourteen recruit and this season's freshman class according to ESPN,
Speaker 1: And he has signed a dealership deal with a Porsche
Speaker 1: dealership in Louisville, Kentucky, and we're good for him. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: this has been happening on colleges campuses for forty years,
Speaker 1: and now you could drive around and no one has
Speaker 1: a whisper, No one has to say your aunt got
Speaker 1: this or who loaned you. It's completely above board and legal.
Speaker 1: Rex Chapman told the stories, but what he was rolling
Speaker 1: in and you know is now it's above board. Yeah. Fascinating. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: I remember a big time recruit signed with the University
Speaker 1: of Kentucky, and I remember he came back home and
Speaker 1: he had one of those Mercedes Bends two seaters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of those four fifty s sels. I think, beautiful car.
Speaker 1: And we're like, whoa where'd you get that? He didn't
Speaker 1: tell us. He did say he went to the racetrack
Speaker 1: and he said, I knew nothing about thoroughbreds and they
Speaker 1: just said what's your favorite number? And he said, I
Speaker 1: just picked a number and somehow I ended up winning.
Speaker 1: Todd Fritz has reasons to watch the Broncos Browns game
Speaker 1: tonight and why the Broncos should beat the Browns tonight.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm into the numerology thing, so I started
Speaker 1: playing with some numbers last night, and then I looked
Speaker 1: into it a little more this morning. So here's my
Speaker 1: reasons quickly on why the Broncos should be expected to win.
Speaker 1: Today's date is ten twenty one twenty one. The drive
Speaker 1: in the AFC Title game sent the Broncos, not the Browns,
Speaker 1: into Super Bowl twenty one. So there's your twenty one.
Speaker 1: A couple of twenty ones in the date we went
Speaker 1: to super Bowl twenty one after the drive. The Browns
Speaker 1: are favored by two and a half, but Denver beat
Speaker 1: the Browns in Cleveland that day twenty three twenty just
Speaker 1: over two and a half by three. Okay, ed, follow
Speaker 1: me ad the numbers of today's day and divide by
Speaker 1: those three numbers. So ten twenty one twenty one gives
Speaker 1: you fifty two seventeen. Divide those right, you get seven
Speaker 1: just over seventeen. The drive was ninety eight yards. Add
Speaker 1: those two numbers together. Nine plus eight is seventeen seventeen.
Speaker 1: The drive took just over five minutes. Teddy Bridgewater's jersey
Speaker 1: number five and it's the first game of week seven.
Speaker 1: What is John Elway known as number seven? Seven? All
Speaker 1: reasons to point to the Orange and Blue, not the
Speaker 1: Orange and brown. Yes, Pa, this segment is going to
Speaker 1: make tonight's game seem very entertain Are you calling your
Speaker 1: shot that the Broncos two point underdogs in Cleveland shock
Speaker 1: the world? The Broncos will win the tonight's game and
Speaker 1: go to four and three and stay competitive in a
Speaker 1: tight Afcus. Who wants to take a piece of that
Speaker 1: or a pie to the face, a pumpkin pie, it'll be.
Speaker 1: It'll be that color will be similar to the Broncos
Speaker 1: and the Browns. Any case, Keenum supporters around here, I
Speaker 1: have enough on theline rooting for case. I'm not adding
Speaker 1: to the You never bet on your home team, You
Speaker 1: never do that. So we're just gonna let Todd get
Speaker 1: away with that. Cleveland Browns Drew's home team. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: he used to be the Bengals. Now this James sports history,
Speaker 1: Paulieu Andrew, this could be the greatest day in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: sports history. In nineteen seventy six, the seventy six has
Speaker 1: purchased the rights to Julius irving from the New Jersey Nets.
Speaker 1: On the same day the philadelph Phillies won their first
Speaker 1: World Series. That's a day. And then let's see going back.
Speaker 1: Carlton Fisk nineteen seventy five hit the home run in
Speaker 1: the twelfth ANDINGBO seven six game against the Red sorrd
Speaker 1: in Game six of the World Series. And that's it. Okay.
Speaker 1: By the way, the most record or the NFL record
Speaker 1: for most points in a game without scoring a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Anybody won again, say it happened on this day in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. This person accounted for twenty six points. Yea,
Speaker 1: what those have been field goals? Yes, Chris Bonial No,
Speaker 1: that name stuck out for you, like seven in the game.
Speaker 1: I believe he did this. For the Tennessee Titans. First
Speaker 1: name is Rob, Rob Brezus or something like that, had
Speaker 1: eight field goals, two phs, twenty six points as the
Speaker 1: Titans beat the Texans on this day, Nina in two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven. Yes, Tone, I love that. I love that.
Speaker 1: When we pull out the Okay, Rob Barona, it's what
Speaker 1: a great mate, Thank you too. That's fantastic, all right,
Speaker 1: my baronas Okay, Well, another eighties nineties, Chara my Baronis,
Speaker 1: The Knack. That was the name of the band, The Knack. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: We actually had Rob Baronas on the show the next
Speaker 1: day and he told us that he was working at
Speaker 1: Best Buy in the off season. I gotta call the kick.
Speaker 1: We had him on the show. Game okay oddly yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm glove. Did they ask for like a whole
Speaker 1: big panel at the Hall of Fame to say this
Speaker 1: is the most representative AFC South game? You? You love it?
Speaker 1: It's too easy, you know. I know the Titans look
Speaker 1: good though, Titans Chiefs this week. I know what if
Speaker 1: the Titans beat the Chiefs this weekend? I can only
Speaker 1: call one Titans upset, you know, each season, and I
Speaker 1: already did that with them beating Buffalo. All right, let's
Speaker 1: see anything else that needs to be mentioned here. Braves,
Speaker 1: Dodgers game five tonight, Bucks in the heat clip, and
Speaker 1: the Warriors. We did reach out to the seventy six
Speaker 1: ers earlier this morning. We wanted to find out when
Speaker 1: do they make a call on Ben Simmons status for
Speaker 1: Friday's game because they played in New Orleans last night.
Speaker 1: Day off today, probably a shoot around tomorrow morning. Practice
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning and then a game tomorrow night at home
Speaker 1: against the Nets. Anybody think Ben Simmons is in uniform
Speaker 1: tomorrow night for the Paulie, Paul, He's going Ben Simmons
Speaker 1: in uniform? Is he does he play tomorrow? Paul? He's
Speaker 1: got a yes for that. Is he in the starting
Speaker 1: lineup tomorrow night? Paul? He not so sure about that?
Speaker 1: And is that one of those where you know, the
Speaker 1: home PA announcer, if Ben Simmons is playing, it's like
Speaker 1: endit gard number twenty five Ben Simmons. That's why you
Speaker 1: don't start him. You don't have to deal with the
Speaker 1: year this year of like announcing his name with the
Speaker 1: very begoder because you do it right at the very end,
Speaker 1: you know, and then like you introduced Joe lmbid and
Speaker 1: then you know, the crowd's going crazy and then you
Speaker 1: go and it guard and I almos shooting umber twenty
Speaker 1: five Ben Simmins. That's it. Let's go around the room
Speaker 1: what we learned on this program. I'm gonna start with
Speaker 1: Todd Fritz all decked out in Broncos gear today. Todd
Speaker 1: go Broncos. Chris mad Dog Russo reminds us Joe Jackson's
Speaker 1: been dead like forever, So how about letting eight year
Speaker 1: old Pete Rose into Cooperstow while he's still alive? All right,
Speaker 1: right out loud, thank you, Todd mcleovin. I'll give you
Speaker 1: Paul results must annoying thing in baseball right now. Teams
Speaker 1: are only trying to hit home runs. Second was batting
Speaker 1: glove adjustments. No batting glove a seton O'Connor. Mike Florio
Speaker 1: has no trophies, he does, PAULI mad dog Russo Danny
Speaker 1: keep me posted, Hey, Danny, uh Fritzie? What had I learned?
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