Speaker 1: I first met Gillian Michaels on address for Success Power Walk,
Speaker 1: and of course, you know, I was so psyched. I
Speaker 1: walked next to her and asked every single question that
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to asking again because I'm very
Speaker 1: curious about how to look better, how to feel better,
Speaker 1: how to do all those things. I've had her on
Speaker 1: my podcast before, and I've just watched her for a
Speaker 1: long time. I just love how how direct and how
Speaker 1: she believes in herself. So here goes my conversation with
Speaker 1: Gillian Michaels. I have a lot of questions. Hello, how
Speaker 1: are you. I'm good, How are you? It's been It's
Speaker 1: been a long time. It had Oh my god, pre
Speaker 1: COVID TACs. I know, I know everything is pre COVID.
Speaker 1: It's like I think I'm three years younger or two
Speaker 1: years younger. I didn't really get older the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, but I did exactly what you mean. It's
Speaker 1: like bc AD, it's like PC pre COVID. She everything.
Speaker 1: I was like, how I relate to the world, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh man, that was pre COVID, wasn't it. How are
Speaker 1: you good? But sometimes I want to go back for
Speaker 1: twenty four hours like, you know, like, right, how did
Speaker 1: you do? How did you do for the two years?
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, COVID wasn't such a hard time for me.
Speaker 1: I got very lucky. I had my ass kicked the
Speaker 1: last two years. That had nothing to do with COVID,
Speaker 1: So just life kicked my ass, Like I got a
Speaker 1: nice ass kicking from life. Like, what anything you want
Speaker 1: to talk about, because oh my gosh, I mean just stuff,
Speaker 1: sick friends. You know, it's just crazy, you know, tough
Speaker 1: work situations, things that are just everybody kind of deals
Speaker 1: with that. You like, you know, you can't can't really
Speaker 1: prepare for it, you guys. You just roll with the
Speaker 1: punches and you learn from what you can learn from
Speaker 1: and and that's that's But yeah, I have she just
Speaker 1: I swear to you the last couple of years, I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, you know, life is
Speaker 1: not the way we knew it, you know, so it's
Speaker 1: ours to reinvent. But you know, you've been our teacher
Speaker 1: for like decades. How long have you been in the
Speaker 1: public eye. Gosh, uh dating the heck out of myself
Speaker 1: here eighteen years? Okay, Well, you know what, if you
Speaker 1: want to feel young I'm gonna make for somewhere between
Speaker 1: thirty and forty years. HU been h been the top
Speaker 1: top notch way longer than I have. So but then
Speaker 1: I'm like, that could come off wrong. So I just said,
Speaker 1: just just give you the dates. Yeah, but I I
Speaker 1: I mean, just because it's printed everywhere. I am sixty
Speaker 1: five years old. So it's like I just got so
Speaker 1: much older than everyone else, Like how did that happen?
Speaker 1: You know? I was at the same age and now
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but you know, I mean, I'm make
Speaker 1: the best of it. Put it that way. It's longevity
Speaker 1: though it's actually, um such a huge testament to how
Speaker 1: fantastic you are. And the reason you've got so much
Speaker 1: older than everybody else is because it's a matter of attrition, right,
Speaker 1: It's like the last man standing, and it has to
Speaker 1: do with how great you are, what you do. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't feel my age. I don't think I look
Speaker 1: my age. I don't do a whole lot to myself.
Speaker 1: And you know, I am someone who's a fanatic about fitness,
Speaker 1: a fanatic about wellness. I've been following you forever and
Speaker 1: you know, how have you changed? Have you? Have you
Speaker 1: loosened up in your eighteen years god, which known as
Speaker 1: a top one. It depends on what you're what you're
Speaker 1: applying that to, you know, if it's if it's personally
Speaker 1: or if it's professionally, um, fitness, fitness, food, you know,
Speaker 1: the stuff that we all struggle with. To be honest
Speaker 1: with you, this is so tough because in a world
Speaker 1: where everyone has become so overwhelmingly fragile, and you know,
Speaker 1: I find that people nowadays fight for their limitations more
Speaker 1: than they ever have. It's it's fascinating. Like I I
Speaker 1: was just answering. I was doing some TikTok questions and
Speaker 1: I was answering one about a polycystical variant syndrome. And
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how many women come out of
Speaker 1: the woodwork to just go crazy on me. And it's like, you, bitch,
Speaker 1: you've no idea. I have pc U S. And then
Speaker 1: I turned around and politely said, you know, I struggled
Speaker 1: with pcos when I was in my teens and I
Speaker 1: was able to reverse it completely, and I suggest, you know,
Speaker 1: these are the ways forward. But instead of saying, wow, really,
Speaker 1: how did you do that? Maybe I can learn something here.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, you know you you, you bitch, you liar,
Speaker 1: and then you never hear for them again. So like,
Speaker 1: I actually think that I in a time where people
Speaker 1: are so attached to being a victim. It tends to
Speaker 1: make me digging a little bit deeper and just say no,
Speaker 1: that that's not true. It doesn't have to be an
Speaker 1: aggressive tone. But the messaging is just just I plant
Speaker 1: myself firmly in the truth, and I do my homework
Speaker 1: with the appropriate professionals so that I can be as
Speaker 1: bullet proof as possible when I give that information. The
Speaker 1: truth is, if you have pc US, you can be healthy.
Speaker 1: It is possible. It's not easy, but it can absolutely
Speaker 1: be done, and it's worth doing, and anybody is capable
Speaker 1: of it. And just one example, right, but nothing is easy,
Speaker 1: and you know we are both understand that. Okay, So
Speaker 1: let's just start at the most pressing question out there.
Speaker 1: Do you eat bread? Oh? My God, of course I do. UM.
Speaker 1: I look, the areas where I have become crazy would
Speaker 1: be supplementation. And I have the luxury of talking to
Speaker 1: so many different researchers um in nutrition and so many
Speaker 1: different doctors who specialize in now studying food is medicine.
Speaker 1: Whether it's Dr William Lee or Dr Rum And I
Speaker 1: do like these. These are great minds, I mean brilliant,
Speaker 1: brilliant people who are teaching me things about the Ariona
Speaker 1: Barry and how it can help with the length of
Speaker 1: our telomeres and talking to guys like Dan Butner from
Speaker 1: the Blue Zones. This stuff fascinates me. I'll eat weird
Speaker 1: stuff because I want to live to be a hundred
Speaker 1: and ten with a great quality of life. So I've
Speaker 1: gotten a little weird that way. Anyways, what should we
Speaker 1: be eating? What weird? Because i'd stuff? Okay, So so
Speaker 1: first stuff I do eat bread, I eat all the
Speaker 1: normal stuff. I just try to avoid and this I
Speaker 1: think is is good advice for everybody, and I think
Speaker 1: it's successful. Try to avoid fake food. You know, when
Speaker 1: you buy bread, try to buy an organic whole grain read.
Speaker 1: If you can't tolerate aze heel bread, try to buy
Speaker 1: Dave's Killer bread. You know it's it's a bit more
Speaker 1: more palatable. Um, whole grain better for you. Options don't
Speaker 1: get you know, the crappy processed white flower that's been bleak.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows this. The common sense diet is what I follow, right,
Speaker 1: I eat real food. I don't overeat it, and I
Speaker 1: try to remove chemicals and fake fats, fake sugars, fake flavors, preservatives,
Speaker 1: as often as possible. It's not food. It's not so
Speaker 1: that that should apply to everyone. So if you use
Speaker 1: common sense with your food and you don't overeat, you
Speaker 1: will actually be just fine. Okay, top notch with that said,
Speaker 1: because I'm a bit nuts with this information because I'm
Speaker 1: passionate about it. I do look at food as medicine,
Speaker 1: and I'm not suggesting it should replace medicine. I am
Speaker 1: not a doctor, but there are foods that are very
Speaker 1: powerful tools in helping to prevent disease. So whether I'm
Speaker 1: looking at maringa or ashwaganda or ariona berries or you know,
Speaker 1: all cuman but with just the right amount of black pepper.
Speaker 1: But then I'm taking I'm taking all kinds of crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: And I'm a big supplement person, and um, I look
Speaker 1: at Buddhist medicines. So whenever I eat something, I know
Speaker 1: that that's a choice, right And I'm like, this bite
Speaker 1: can cure me or it can kill me, and I
Speaker 1: try to make it the one that cures me, if
Speaker 1: that makes any sense. So I will have all my
Speaker 1: supplements be crill oil, vitamin D, the college and multi
Speaker 1: college and peptides with MS and glucos, and me can
Speaker 1: join in the greens powder with all the things, the
Speaker 1: organic greens powder with the mooringa and the ashwaganda and
Speaker 1: that this, that the other, all the stuff that you'd
Speaker 1: expect in it an organic reds powder. And then I
Speaker 1: make my own blend of crazy crap with like ginger
Speaker 1: and tumeric and black pepper and cinnamon, and I put
Speaker 1: that in a coffee with adapted Jen's because I'm nuts.
Speaker 1: This is where I get a little nuts. It's disgusting,
Speaker 1: it's gross. Uh and and green tea. So but each
Speaker 1: one of these things helping inflammation or killing cancer cells.
Speaker 1: So you asked me a little that parts a little nuts.
Speaker 1: I'll go back to what I think is a bit
Speaker 1: more relatable, which is used common sense and don't over
Speaker 1: eat right and and der kids eat the way you do.
Speaker 1: Or are they sneaking? Are they sneaking and junk? They
Speaker 1: don't because they do throw it. We know what we're
Speaker 1: past the sneak. So with the kids, we're in the point.
Speaker 1: You know their ten and twelve, and I just just
Speaker 1: had this conversation with my daughter the other day because
Speaker 1: she said something to me about like when she was
Speaker 1: in l A with my my ex and co parents.
Speaker 1: She's like, who's goes by mommy? I go by Mama
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, Mommy said I couldn't have that,
Speaker 1: and I know that's not true. My x X and
Speaker 1: I I've decided that we're both going to be like,
Speaker 1: look to your body. We've told you all that we
Speaker 1: can tell you, we've made recommendations to you. We do
Speaker 1: what we do, but you're gonna do what you're gonna
Speaker 1: do because we have the kind of kids that are
Speaker 1: gonna do what they're gonna do. Now. Look, if it's drugs,
Speaker 1: if it's alcohol, if it's you know, sex at a
Speaker 1: young age, obviously we're gonna do We're gonna get super
Speaker 1: aggressive about protecting them. But with food, they'll just go
Speaker 1: to camp, they'll just go to their friend's house, they'll
Speaker 1: just go to the vending machine at school. And how
Speaker 1: do I know, because they do and have. So we've
Speaker 1: decided to just continue educating them and to try to
Speaker 1: give them healthy food in the house, you know, like
Speaker 1: I don't carry blue gummy candy in my house. But
Speaker 1: when my son goes to It's Sugar with his friend
Speaker 1: and the friend's mom to go see a movie and
Speaker 1: it comes home with his tongues blue. It's like, I'm
Speaker 1: my buddy, come on, can't we do like the organic,
Speaker 1: you know, yummy bears that stuff? And I told him
Speaker 1: a yeah, and I'm like this, this stuff on your
Speaker 1: tongue is not food, but it does, but it does backfire.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, my mother was a health nut,
Speaker 1: but she was a diet nut, and so I was
Speaker 1: not allowed. I was a chubby kid. I know you
Speaker 1: are too. I was now allowed to eat certain things
Speaker 1: like I got I couldn't have cake or I couldn't
Speaker 1: have anything, So that's bad. Idea. I had money in
Speaker 1: my pocket. My friends and I would be they'd buy
Speaker 1: a thing, a candy, and I would buy twelve and
Speaker 1: I'd be shoving them in my face, and you know what,
Speaker 1: black fires, So you're doing us. It's it's you know,
Speaker 1: when they're little, you try to give them these boundaries
Speaker 1: of like, no, we're not going to eat a second
Speaker 1: piece of cake. When I get this age, they're like,
Speaker 1: I do what I want. And they're both almost bigger.
Speaker 1: Both of them are factually bigger than me now, you know,
Speaker 1: and they have access to things. And this is where
Speaker 1: the conversation just changes. It just does, especially with my
Speaker 1: daughter who's five six huge and I don't wait. I mean,
Speaker 1: the child is like solid muscle. She can get your ass.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's under the point where I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: I love you. I can only give you my best advice.
Speaker 1: And you're gonna make these decisions. I hope you make
Speaker 1: the best ones, or at least use common sense. You know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna say it kinding. Yeah, And as someone who's
Speaker 1: raised three kids, you know, three sons, you know, two
Speaker 1: are married now one's about to have a baby. They're
Speaker 1: all foodies. And these kids used to drive me crazy
Speaker 1: with the stuff that they would want to eat. They
Speaker 1: are all foodies. They're all health people and you know
Speaker 1: what they observe. So you know you're doing you're doing
Speaker 1: a good job. Oh you're sweet. Oh so we shall see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now it's I know, I know, it's everything. I know.
Speaker 1: You also grew up a chubby kid. Do you still
Speaker 1: feel in your head or in your body that you're
Speaker 1: not amazing? Like I don't I don't have that issue
Speaker 1: at all. But what I do understand um is how
Speaker 1: and why people utilize food as a coping mechanism or
Speaker 1: a defense mechanism UM or as a means of psychological survival. So,
Speaker 1: you know, food when somebody is overweight, and I'm not
Speaker 1: talking like five pounds, ten pounds, fifteen pounds, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm talking overweight right, plus pounds to lose depending upon
Speaker 1: your size. I'm a little person. Pounds is a lot
Speaker 1: on me. UM. This is not because somebody is weak
Speaker 1: or lazy or just really enjoys pizza. It's because they
Speaker 1: are utilizing food, usually for reasons they are unconscious about.
Speaker 1: For me, it was control, It was about comfort. It
Speaker 1: was about finding a way to bond with my dad
Speaker 1: because we didn't have a lot in common, and my
Speaker 1: dad will love food. So one of the things we
Speaker 1: would do together is eat. We would go get this
Speaker 1: chicken storm other you know, we would always get and
Speaker 1: then my mom would go to night school and then
Speaker 1: my dad would make like this popcorn treat or he'd
Speaker 1: make homemade ice cream. It was how do I relate
Speaker 1: to my daughter and how do I relate to my dad? Food? Food?
Speaker 1: Food was how we connected. UM. So I understand all
Speaker 1: of that. UM. And there are times when I find
Speaker 1: myself easily right, I could easily slip back into and
Speaker 1: I see it and I know how to stop it. UM.
Speaker 1: But food is comfort. Food is control. Finding ways to
Speaker 1: bond with kids over food that I've had to really
Speaker 1: really be careful about. Um. It's just like being sober.
Speaker 1: You know, you can talk to an alcoholic who's like,
Speaker 1: I'm an alcoholic, was sober alcoholic, but I am an alcoholic.
Speaker 1: Same thing with food. For me, I want to talk fitness,
Speaker 1: and then I want to talk about your empire, because yeah,
Speaker 1: your empire, and so fitness what like what do you do?
Speaker 1: I mean you're you know, what do you what do
Speaker 1: you personally do? Oh gosh? Um. It really depends on
Speaker 1: what the heck is going on in my life. Like
Speaker 1: I have not been home for the past two months.
Speaker 1: I finally got home. UM work at me away from
Speaker 1: home for about six weeks, and then I was able
Speaker 1: to go on my honeymoon, which was out of the country.
Speaker 1: And so it depends in my ideal world where I'm
Speaker 1: home with all the time in the world to workout.
Speaker 1: I love a kickboxing class or mixed martial arts class.
Speaker 1: I love a spinning class. I love a yoga class.
Speaker 1: On your apper in person, I love him in person
Speaker 1: because I personally like to learn from other experts. And
Speaker 1: I am not a jiu jitsu pro. I'm a black belt,
Speaker 1: but not in ju jitsu. I am not an excellent yogi.
Speaker 1: I look at fitness very much like like a doctor
Speaker 1: looks at medicine people subspecial lies. So there's yogi specialist,
Speaker 1: there's an Olympic lifting specialist, there's These are not my
Speaker 1: areas of expertise, and if I do put out content
Speaker 1: in those areas, I go and find an individual who
Speaker 1: I think is a top not yogi to help me
Speaker 1: program that workout, whether it's yoga in front or Yoga
Speaker 1: meltdown or yoga programs in the app. But for example,
Speaker 1: in the app, I'm adding Terra Styles to the app
Speaker 1: because she's one of the best yogis in the world,
Speaker 1: not me, so we're gonna start protting content in from her.
Speaker 1: So I love to work with other coaches because I
Speaker 1: think the best teacher is the best student. Um I
Speaker 1: like to be I'm very type a inspire me, teach me,
Speaker 1: show me something. I don't know. I always want to learn,
Speaker 1: I always want to grow. That would be my perfect world.
Speaker 1: What actually happens of the time is I'm swamped out
Speaker 1: of my mind and I'll say, all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: jump rope for twenty minutes, and in between I'm gonna
Speaker 1: work in body weight intervals. So that's what usually happens,
Speaker 1: is like, all right, twenty lunges, twenty squads, twenty bush
Speaker 1: ups at twenty body rows with the TRX in the house,
Speaker 1: and three minute rounds of jump rove in between. Because
Speaker 1: I'm in a hurry, I have a million things to do.
Speaker 1: It's easy and it's convenient. Are you doing it free
Speaker 1: weights or no? Way? I mix it up. I mix
Speaker 1: it up constantly because changing these variables, right, I call
Speaker 1: them factors of change with your workout is a few
Speaker 1: of them are how many reps? How much weight? Uh,
Speaker 1: there's two elements that you can change, obviously, levers. Right.
Speaker 1: If you think about levers, for example, doing a lateral
Speaker 1: raise with dumbbells in your hand with your elbows bent
Speaker 1: is a shorter level. You straighten your arms, You've got
Speaker 1: a longer lever, so it's gonna be harder, right, um.
Speaker 1: For me, I always extend levers. So that's not a
Speaker 1: factor that I would use for an advanced athlete, but
Speaker 1: for a beginner, you can progress them by saying, okay,
Speaker 1: push ups on knees, okay, push up stands and feeds.
Speaker 1: Things of that nature. Can make it a lot harder
Speaker 1: by extending levers. So I'm always manipulating those factors so
Speaker 1: that I'm challenging the body in different ways. And the
Speaker 1: reason for that is because the body is very effective
Speaker 1: at adapting distress. That's what exercises. It's focused stress, and
Speaker 1: the body adapts to that stress by making the bones
Speaker 1: more debts right, or by conditioning the muscles, or by
Speaker 1: improving the capacity of your cardiovascular system. So once the
Speaker 1: body adapts to a certain type of stress, it sort
Speaker 1: of stops needing to work harder. So if you push
Speaker 1: different factors of fitness like power, endurance, mobility, your body
Speaker 1: is constantly having to adapt to these new stress stimuli
Speaker 1: if you will, and you're constantly getting better results. So
Speaker 1: the key is truthfully with business consistency first, variety second,
Speaker 1: and do you ever have stretches of time where you're
Speaker 1: like in a funk, can have an exercise, like does
Speaker 1: that happen to Jillian Michael's Because it sure happens to me.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta get it um. When these things
Speaker 1: happen to me, it's generally not a funk because I
Speaker 1: can make fitness. I don't want to say painless, but
Speaker 1: totally manageable. And what I mean by that is even
Speaker 1: when I'm not in the mood, if I tell myself, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get that you'd rather be dead today, Jil, Like
Speaker 1: I have these conversations like myself, I'd rather stick needles
Speaker 1: in my eyes then go to the gym. What's palatable?
Speaker 1: You know what I'll do. I'll do fifteen minutes on
Speaker 1: the step mill while answering my emails because I gotta
Speaker 1: answer emails. So one, I just do it on the
Speaker 1: step mill, and if I'm not miserable, I'll do another
Speaker 1: five minutes to get to twenty minutes. And if I'm
Speaker 1: not miserable, maybe I'll do some abs on the ground
Speaker 1: so I can kind of manipulate myself into moving my body.
Speaker 1: What does happen is life can It's so crazy for
Speaker 1: me sometimes and I hate to say it's it's not
Speaker 1: even that I'm making excuses. It's just that I know
Speaker 1: how to get around workout sessions with really clean eating
Speaker 1: for extended periods of time. So when life gets really nuts,
Speaker 1: I tried to be more active overall, um, and I
Speaker 1: manage my health with my food, and that's where I
Speaker 1: really can kind of fall off the wagon. Like this
Speaker 1: summer was just I had this crazy situation in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles with this trial. It was a nightmare. This old
Speaker 1: thing for work that's fourteen years old, but I had
Speaker 1: to be present for it every single day, Like crap
Speaker 1: like that that just you can't You're barely able to
Speaker 1: find the time. That's the stuff that really throws me
Speaker 1: off right there. So what's clean eating for you? Then?
Speaker 1: How do you adapt? Right? So, so all right, think
Speaker 1: of it like I want you to think of food
Speaker 1: first in two ways. Okay, You've got energy, so all
Speaker 1: food has an energy quotient and energy content in the
Speaker 1: form of calories. Okay, and then food has nutrients, vitamins
Speaker 1: and minerals. A lot of times people confuse these two
Speaker 1: things and believe that if the food is really nutrient dense,
Speaker 1: they can't gain weight off of it. They're like, why
Speaker 1: I'm eating really good? What are you eating avocado? I
Speaker 1: mean that has a lot of energy and avocado. So
Speaker 1: understanding those two things that's really important because they are
Speaker 1: not one in the same. So the first thing with
Speaker 1: clean eating when you're trying to manage your weight means
Speaker 1: you're obviously eating foods that are nutrient dense but not
Speaker 1: high in calories. That's where the term empty right, empty calories?
Speaker 1: What does that mean? It means a food that has
Speaker 1: energy but no nutrients is totally empty. So you're spending
Speaker 1: calories but you're not getting anything for it. So for me,
Speaker 1: I know, okay, if Jillian doesn't get to the gym,
Speaker 1: her body is going to burn around fift and sixty calories.
Speaker 1: Love the way I put myself in the third person
Speaker 1: when I talk about my fitness. It's like, so if
Speaker 1: I use myself as an example, I know the simple
Speaker 1: math of sixty calories is what my body is using
Speaker 1: in a day without exercise. Okay, that means I've got
Speaker 1: fIF sixty calories to spend. So first off, I don't
Speaker 1: go over that. If I don't go over it, I'm
Speaker 1: not getting bigger. Now. Health and size again a totally
Speaker 1: different conversation. But if I do not eat over that,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get any bigger because fat is
Speaker 1: simply stored energy. So specifically, do eat egg whites instead
Speaker 1: of egg yolks? Do you like? I mean, like all
Speaker 1: those little silly things are what people want to hear, Like,
Speaker 1: do I put one only? Okay? Okay. So so this
Speaker 1: is how I need you to think about it. You've
Speaker 1: got to make a choice. If you have fifteen and
Speaker 1: sixty calories to spend, where do you want to spend them?
Speaker 1: If I hate egg whites, I'm okay. I'll give you
Speaker 1: a perfect example. Um, the other day, we were having
Speaker 1: breakfast and I decided to do egg whites because I
Speaker 1: wanted cheese in the scramble. Now, if I didn't get cheese,
Speaker 1: I would have had whole eggs. Was that the better
Speaker 1: choice with regard to nutrition? No, not really, But I
Speaker 1: wanted to spend my calories on cheese and not egg yellows.
Speaker 1: So that's what I did. It's like dollars, where do
Speaker 1: you want to spend your money? That's how I need
Speaker 1: you to think about calories. And it's personal. So for me,
Speaker 1: I'm making these decisions right with things that I'm like
Speaker 1: that's not worth the calories, it's not worth the money.
Speaker 1: I think of it like that. So I eat foods
Speaker 1: that are nutrient dense, obviously because I want to get
Speaker 1: the most bang from my my calorie buck. I want
Speaker 1: the nutrition to optimize my health. But where I'm saving,
Speaker 1: I'm not eating things like I don't eat cake, I
Speaker 1: don't eat ice cream, I don't eat chocolate. Um. Not
Speaker 1: because I'm some sort of badass that is immune to
Speaker 1: those things. It's the opposite. It's because I would overeat
Speaker 1: it if I did eat it, um, and I found
Speaker 1: avoiding it all together he's better for me. But where
Speaker 1: I will spend those calories on foods that are less
Speaker 1: nutrient densit that I might have that class of red
Speaker 1: one because I love it. Am I having three? No?
Speaker 1: Do I have to a day? No? I limit myself
Speaker 1: to six a week maximum. And that's where I spend
Speaker 1: those calories. UM. For me, I don't eat chemicals. I
Speaker 1: don't over eat, So on the days I work out,
Speaker 1: I go from sixty to eight hundred and sixty. Right now,
Speaker 1: I've got three hundred more glories to spend. Fantastic Tonight,
Speaker 1: I'm going for Italian food I have wanted to go
Speaker 1: back to this restaurant for the two months I have
Speaker 1: been out of Miami. I can't wait, and I am
Speaker 1: getting the unglapost I don't care. So you know what
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do tonight is add the wine
Speaker 1: to the dinner because I don't have the calories to spend.
Speaker 1: So instead of doing the artichoke salad with the salmon
Speaker 1: on top and the glass of wine, tonight, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do the vungla. No glass of wine. Does that make
Speaker 1: any sense? It does? It does? I would choose the vodka,
Speaker 1: but no. So a piece of a Zekiel toast with mustard,
Speaker 1: tomato and turkey is probably a better lunch than the salad. No,
Speaker 1: I's not going to fill me. Well, okay, that's okay.
Speaker 1: So that's a different conversation though. So the reality is
Speaker 1: that we all need complex carbohydrates, healthy fats, ideally polly
Speaker 1: unsaturated and mono unsaturated. And that's stuff like olive oil, walnuts.
Speaker 1: You'll mega threes from wild cowfish. Everybody. Everybody seen that
Speaker 1: episode of Doctor Oz right. Clean protein, and what I
Speaker 1: mean by clean is no process lunch meat with nitrites
Speaker 1: and nitrates and artificial color and hormones and antibiotics. We're
Speaker 1: talking about ideally, a piece of wild caught salmon, or
Speaker 1: an organic piece of grass fed grass finished beef, or
Speaker 1: organic eggs, organic dairy, some animal protein. You don't need
Speaker 1: a ton of it. And by the way, you don't
Speaker 1: have to have it if you're vegan and you're doing
Speaker 1: plant protein. As long as you know how to get
Speaker 1: a complete protein with variety in your protein sources, you're fine.
Speaker 1: All three macros are key for everybody. Now, some people
Speaker 1: do better, and what I mean by do better is
Speaker 1: they will feel fuller for longer and more satiated with
Speaker 1: a different macro nutrient ratio. So here's what I mean
Speaker 1: by that. I want you to think about the rate
Speaker 1: you turn your food into blood sugar. Okay, Now, food
Speaker 1: inherently has a rate. We call it the glycemic index.
Speaker 1: This food is higher on the index, and it's going
Speaker 1: to turn it into sugar quicker, like white bread is
Speaker 1: going to turn it into sugar way quicker than a cucumber,
Speaker 1: which is on the bottom of the glycemic index. So
Speaker 1: food already has a rating, all right, But we ourselves
Speaker 1: to have a unique biochemistry, and some of us already
Speaker 1: are turning that food into energy faster than others. And
Speaker 1: they believe this has to do with our microbiome, all
Speaker 1: the little microbes in our gut. And the reason they
Speaker 1: think that is one of the primary factors is because
Speaker 1: they've looked at identical twins and their insulin response to
Speaker 1: certain foods has been vastly divergent and they're identical. So
Speaker 1: the only factor or the primary factor that could be
Speaker 1: different is their microbiome. Nevertheless, we all turn our food
Speaker 1: into energy or bloodguer at a different pace. So a
Speaker 1: per scene that converts their food into energy more slowly,
Speaker 1: or we would call them a slow oxidizer that oxidizes
Speaker 1: their food into energy more slowly, is going to do
Speaker 1: real bad on things that convert more slowly. So high
Speaker 1: protein diets, high fat diets are gonna make them feel miserable, sluggish, tired,
Speaker 1: lethargic where and they'll do better on more complex carbohydrates,
Speaker 1: more fruits, more vegetables, more whole grains with less fat,
Speaker 1: less protein in their ratio. Okay, a person that breaks
Speaker 1: things down very quickly, if they eat the bread, the fruit,
Speaker 1: the veggies, the light, the rice, the fish, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be like Oh my god, they're gonna have a sugar
Speaker 1: crash and they're gonna start because those things already convert
Speaker 1: to energy more quickly, they convert them to energy more quickly.
Speaker 1: In that combination is gonna mean it's hitting the bloodstream
Speaker 1: like a freight train. Pancreas is gonna don'mp a bunch
Speaker 1: of insulin clean the sugar out of the blood, and
Speaker 1: they get a blood sugar crash. So I really don't
Speaker 1: love to talk about this because it makes people think
Speaker 1: they get overwhelmed, they think they've got to start counting
Speaker 1: their macros. The key is to really just listen to
Speaker 1: your body, like you're talking about where you say, God, no,
Speaker 1: I had five hundred calories of a shrimp salad and
Speaker 1: I was freaking starving a few an hour and a
Speaker 1: half later, But I had five calories of this mesa
Speaker 1: platter with hummus and some beef skewer. Like more protein,
Speaker 1: more fat, and it helped me for four hours. Right.
Speaker 1: If you pay attention to the foods that fill you
Speaker 1: up for longer and sustain your energy, it will help
Speaker 1: you decide what your balance of macro nutrients, protein, fat,
Speaker 1: and carbons should be in every meal without accounting macros.
Speaker 1: None of that stuff matters. It only matters with regard
Speaker 1: to your energy level and having sustained energy, and having
Speaker 1: sustained energy will prevent you from overeating because you're feeling
Speaker 1: fuller for longer, so that can be full. And I
Speaker 1: actually wrote about that in a book, Oh God, like
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago called making the Cut. And you can
Speaker 1: take a little quiz. I even think it's on my
Speaker 1: website called the Oxidizer type. You can google it. It's free,
Speaker 1: it's in my blog, and it'll help you figure that out.
Speaker 1: What about all this microbiome stuff, you know, because I'm
Speaker 1: definitely someone that has always dealt with like gut stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, So I feel really I felt I feel
Speaker 1: better if I donate, like a smoothie will be better
Speaker 1: than if I eat food. Sometimes it depends. It depends
Speaker 1: what's going on, you know, in my life. So how
Speaker 1: do you fix a microbiome? How do you know what
Speaker 1: needs to be fixed? Or do you just start like
Speaker 1: throwing in like sauerkraut. You know, I'll go, well, hold
Speaker 1: hold on, um. The first thing is that if there's
Speaker 1: something going on with your gut, obviously I would tell
Speaker 1: anybody see a gastro and geologist. This is a specialist.
Speaker 1: You've got to see a specialist. Um, don't even see
Speaker 1: your internet's see a specialist. It drives me crazy when
Speaker 1: Internet start of prescribing things like antidepressants or hormone medications.
Speaker 1: Like antidepressants is a psychiatrist, formal medication is an endocrinologist.
Speaker 1: Got health is a gastro intrologist. So to find a
Speaker 1: specific imbalance, once again, I'm gonna refer you to this
Speaker 1: gastro intrologist. She's in California and her name is Dr
Speaker 1: Sabine Hassan. She actually wrote a book. Um, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a funny title. I think poop is in the
Speaker 1: in the title of it. But she's brilliant. And this
Speaker 1: is gonna sound gross, But if you want to know
Speaker 1: what's going on with your microbiome, you send in a
Speaker 1: stool sample and she will tell you you have too
Speaker 1: much of this, you don't have enough of that. Uh.
Speaker 1: And that's very important because you don't know, like maybe
Speaker 1: you have an overgrowth of something, maybe you have something
Speaker 1: like seed if maybe you don't have enough of something.
Speaker 1: So I hate looking at something and trying to solve
Speaker 1: a problem. You don't know what you're solving, that can
Speaker 1: create more issue is then not does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Makes tonal sense, and it's a good advice for everyone
Speaker 1: that's out there dealing with stuff to make sure you
Speaker 1: have someone to help you and not just do it yourself.
Speaker 1: Do not do that. You will make a mistake and
Speaker 1: it could be a life threatening mistake. So uh, for example,
Speaker 1: my I've almost said to me outside, my wife, Um
Speaker 1: had a very young and healthy thirty seven stomach problems.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, out of the blue, She's like, acid.
Speaker 1: I think it's acid. I think it's this. I think
Speaker 1: it's that baby. You got to go to the doctor, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, to give her ant acid. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: not the doctor. Doctor, like a specialist doctor. Write this
Speaker 1: long story short. She's been dealing with this for two years,
Speaker 1: two years, taking probiotics, taking anto acids, doing this, going
Speaker 1: to the finally one doctor. We go to see this
Speaker 1: doctor and I'm both of us have a new doctor
Speaker 1: in Miami, and I'm like, doc, there's poor guy. We're
Speaker 1: sitting in the room together and I'm like, she's got
Speaker 1: this thing with her stomach, and for the life of
Speaker 1: we could not by the way, figure out what it is,
Speaker 1: and like she's been she's been doing an internet, she's
Speaker 1: tried this bah. He's like, okay, we're gonna ultrasound everything.
Speaker 1: He finds gold stones that for two years is what
Speaker 1: has been creating her problem, whether we're giving her aunt
Speaker 1: acids and all this crap, this medication that has side effects,
Speaker 1: and long story short, had one of those little gold
Speaker 1: stones gotten in a bile duct. You're in real trouble,
Speaker 1: not great. You can die from that. So they found it,
Speaker 1: thank God, and all the holistic doctors in the world
Speaker 1: and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty back together again.
Speaker 1: We needed an ultrasop machine. Okay, it's so I can
Speaker 1: sit here and be like, oh yeah, it's sure. Look,
Speaker 1: you know where should I take this probiotic Bobby? No, Mom,
Speaker 1: you like, go to see a pro and do not
Speaker 1: stop until there's something quantifiable. Now, Okay, I tried the
Speaker 1: fod map diet and I started rulling out foods and
Speaker 1: this isn't that obvious, Slee. You can take some time
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of it. Obviously, listen to
Speaker 1: your body and if something makes it act up, that's
Speaker 1: going to be a clue right of oh wow, I
Speaker 1: eat high fat foods, I feel sick, well, you know
Speaker 1: gall bladder. Okay, that makes some sense. It's to start
Speaker 1: to give you some clues. But what was weird as
Speaker 1: ever heard, was like it was acid stuff that was acidic,
Speaker 1: So everybody was thinking, like ulcer, they're checking her for
Speaker 1: h pylori. Anyway, the bottom line is don't stop until
Speaker 1: you get some quantifiable answers when it comes to common
Speaker 1: sense health. I can tell you what to do that
Speaker 1: it's just good for you and you don't have to worry. Right.
Speaker 1: So nurturing a healthy microbiome, they're gonna be three primary
Speaker 1: places where you're gonna replenish these microbes. So you've got
Speaker 1: food born strains of probiotics, and that would be fermented foods.
Speaker 1: So kimchi key for Greek yogurt. Um, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: the the to me, so uh, the list is pretty straightforward.
Speaker 1: Ward um, eat it. But if you can and go
Speaker 1: organic wherever you can incorporate those foods, don't go by
Speaker 1: a hundred dollar probiotic. That literally says that's hold on.
Speaker 1: Let me get to that in a second. So those
Speaker 1: food worn strains are very easy to get, very cost effectively, right,
Speaker 1: and they're more effective when you eat them because their
Speaker 1: food board strains, So supplementing them is actually not going
Speaker 1: to be ideal. Soil based strains are you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of supplements because they are you quite honestly easier
Speaker 1: to put in supplements because they don't need to be
Speaker 1: refrigerated and all of that, so they're just easier. But
Speaker 1: the truth is that soil based trains you should really
Speaker 1: get from being outdoors hiking gardening. Ideally, you know, back
Speaker 1: in the day when we used to drink well water
Speaker 1: where we used to get food from the dirt that
Speaker 1: wasn't loaded with pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and all that crap.
Speaker 1: You take a carrot out of the soil, wash it
Speaker 1: in well water and get all those good microbes. So,
Speaker 1: if there's a chance that you can go to a
Speaker 1: farmer's market where they do organic farming, which I know
Speaker 1: everybody's like, f you, Jill, like I barely have the
Speaker 1: time to go to a drive through, I'm just telling you, like,
Speaker 1: this would be ideal. Um, You're gonna get soil based
Speaker 1: strains in those kinds of foods, and that would be great.
Speaker 1: The third one, or human residence strains, These are the
Speaker 1: hardest to get. These are the things that we got
Speaker 1: from our mom, the things we got from the birth canal,
Speaker 1: the things we got from breast milk. UM, you know,
Speaker 1: rub your kids. This also came from Dr Stephene his
Speaker 1: on She's like, kiss your kids, get there, get their
Speaker 1: bacteria all over you. They've got that good bacteria on
Speaker 1: their face, like that healthy kid bacteria, right. Very that
Speaker 1: was a very interesting Actually interviewed her on my podcast
Speaker 1: about it. It It was fascinating. So human residence strains are
Speaker 1: the ones that I would recommend supplementing because they're the
Speaker 1: hardest to get. UM. I invested in a company that
Speaker 1: has this, called the Lion Naturals, and I invested in it.
Speaker 1: So you do your on homework everybody out there, but
Speaker 1: that's what I recommend. It's called a Lion Naturals, started
Speaker 1: by a mommy of two with an autoimmune condition who
Speaker 1: went on a hunt to figure out what was wrong
Speaker 1: with her ended up starting this company. Are those those
Speaker 1: supplements who squeeze in the water. No, These these are
Speaker 1: in pill form um And then the next thing to
Speaker 1: be careful of also with probiotics is when you see
Speaker 1: things like a gazillion cf us, that's all marketing. The
Speaker 1: body can't get hit with a freight train of microbes
Speaker 1: like that. That's that's bolognay. And a lot of times
Speaker 1: it's cheap strains like acid ov list that you're going
Speaker 1: to get in the yogurt. So don't get tricked. Do
Speaker 1: your homework before supplementing the product. And the truth is,
Speaker 1: what would be ideal is if you really think you've
Speaker 1: got a microbiome and balance, you would go to a
Speaker 1: gas trunt rollers who could test it. Because there's actually
Speaker 1: no such thing as a good bacteria or a bad bacteria.
Speaker 1: There's gut dis biosis, which means an imbalance. So actually
Speaker 1: each pie Lori serves a purpose, but if it overgrows,
Speaker 1: you've got a big problem. And the majority of these
Speaker 1: microbes that we understand need to exist but in balance.
Speaker 1: It's when they're out of whack then you start to
Speaker 1: get problems. And of course, don't take antibiotics unless you
Speaker 1: absolutely need to avoid foods that are heavily sprayed with pesticides, urbosets,
Speaker 1: and fungicides, because that's what they do. They kill microbes.
Speaker 1: And if you eat a bunch of chemicals in your food.
Speaker 1: They're also going to to help you know, they're going
Speaker 1: to contribute to damaging the health of these microbes. And
Speaker 1: eat a lot of high fiber foods because the high
Speaker 1: fiber foods are prebiotics. Right for that term, I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's food for your microbes and you don't need to
Speaker 1: supplement post biotics. That's a gimmick as well. Post biotics
Speaker 1: is um what happens when the good bacteria eat the prebiotics,
Speaker 1: they create these postbiotics. So when you see something that
Speaker 1: has post addicts and it you're getting scammed. You don't
Speaker 1: need that, don't bother al waste the money. So you
Speaker 1: have so much knowledge, doesn't your head like blow up sometimes?
Speaker 1: But you know it's amazing. No, it's honestly amazing. So
Speaker 1: I do want to hear just as you know, as
Speaker 1: as boss lady to boss lady, like your empire, like
Speaker 1: how do you how do you do what you do?
Speaker 1: You're like your media empire, You're an author, you're Emmy nominated,
Speaker 1: you name it, like everything, what do you spend most
Speaker 1: of your time doing? And how do you run your business?
Speaker 1: Like how many people work for you? Gosh, Okay, we
Speaker 1: do try to keep keep things lean. I don't think
Speaker 1: that having a really high overhead is beneficial. And um,
Speaker 1: you know we've made that mistake before in the past.
Speaker 1: So we have different branches of the company. So one
Speaker 1: is is the I say we because I have a
Speaker 1: business partner named John Carlo Chur said, who's great. We've
Speaker 1: been working together since two dozen and six. And there's
Speaker 1: the Jillian Michaels brand, and the Jillian Michaels brand now
Speaker 1: focuses predominantly on the Fitness app because most things can
Speaker 1: live in there. So if I create a new workout program,
Speaker 1: it lives in the Fitness app. If there's meal plans,
Speaker 1: they live in the Fitness app. If there's meditations, they
Speaker 1: live in the Fitness app. And now we're adding other
Speaker 1: trainers to the Fitness app. So or have added actually
Speaker 1: and are continuing to add more in different areas um
Speaker 1: of expertise than I have. As I mentioned, Tara Styles,
Speaker 1: who's a yogi is coming to the platform. Um, we're
Speaker 1: adding a woman named Megan Colosso who is an expert
Speaker 1: in Olympic lifting. These are this is not my forte. Um,
Speaker 1: we just added a gentleman named Ryan claren Back, who's
Speaker 1: a calisthenics expert. So anywhere I'm not the consummate pro,
Speaker 1: I look for people who I think are the foremost
Speaker 1: expert and I add them to the platform so I
Speaker 1: know people are getting the best coaching. So in that
Speaker 1: app we probably have if you don't include outsourcing for
Speaker 1: all the dev work, because we do a lot of outsourcing.
Speaker 1: I'd say our core company is ten people, and then
Speaker 1: we outsourced the dev work to a company called lolo Um.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of outside people because we work
Speaker 1: with different graphic artists, different videographer teams, different editors. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Uh, but it he does allow
Speaker 1: us to get different talent on different things, which is
Speaker 1: important UM. And then we invest in different companies like
Speaker 1: Alle and Naturals, so we don't start the Jillian Michaels
Speaker 1: supplement company. That's that's not what Jillian Michaels is going
Speaker 1: to do. What I do like to do is find
Speaker 1: better for you brands in wellness, whether it's food or fitness,
Speaker 1: and say hey, look love what you're doing. I think
Speaker 1: I can help you take it to the next level.
Speaker 1: Where are you at? Where are you trying to go
Speaker 1: and is there room for me to help you get there?
Speaker 1: So we don't need a team. We bet on the
Speaker 1: jockey there. So for example, like with the Lie of Naturals,
Speaker 1: I bet on her and the guy that was running
Speaker 1: all of her web because I was like, Wow, this
Speaker 1: is a really intelligent guy. He got it to me
Speaker 1: with on a shoestring budget. I believe in her, I
Speaker 1: believe in the product UM. So it's it's it's tough
Speaker 1: to say, but that's kind of how we manage it
Speaker 1: without being so top heavy. You know, you just feel
Speaker 1: like you can't be nimble and you're gonna drown and overhead.
Speaker 1: So what do you have your name on besides your
Speaker 1: books and your app and your media? Do you are they?
Speaker 1: Aren't you on equipment? Don't you have equipment? We do?
Speaker 1: And that did we do? So so what we have
Speaker 1: under Jillian Michael's that's true. We do have an equipment
Speaker 1: line UM that's available in UH retail stores. So so yes,
Speaker 1: we do have that UM and we do have a
Speaker 1: we're just starting again with clothes under our our trademark
Speaker 1: called Impact. It used to be a cham Art years
Speaker 1: ago and then Kmar started having financial trouble uh, And
Speaker 1: it was a lot of work for not a big return.
Speaker 1: But now we're licensing the Mark two once again an
Speaker 1: outside company that knows how to do this and knows
Speaker 1: how to be efficient. So we're starting direct consumer next
Speaker 1: year and then we'll go into retail. UM. We just
Speaker 1: did a stock license for the same exact brand called
Speaker 1: Impact that they're they're going out to retailers right now.
Speaker 1: So the things that make make sense were having announced
Speaker 1: this yet. But there is a wearable device UM that
Speaker 1: will not have my name on it, but I will
Speaker 1: be endorsing ah. And I don't love like the Jillian
Speaker 1: Michaels wearable is not that powerful, but Jillian Michaels four
Speaker 1: A wearable is more powerful. Just like Lady Gaga headphones
Speaker 1: probably not gonna work, but Lady Gaga for beats probably
Speaker 1: gonna work. If that If that makes sense. And I
Speaker 1: find that nowadays people are very afraid of I'd be
Speaker 1: curious enough if you've had the same experience of a
Speaker 1: talent driven products, because they're like, well, what if that
Speaker 1: person gets a d u A, What if that person
Speaker 1: gets canceled tomorrow? What if that? So it's very difficult
Speaker 1: to start a business off of your name if people
Speaker 1: think in any given second, you're gonna get canceled and
Speaker 1: someone's gonna ruin your life. And whereas if you're giving
Speaker 1: a halo effect of an endorsement in a product you
Speaker 1: believe in or you've you've invested in, that's safer. I
Speaker 1: think it's safe for people to put money in. It's
Speaker 1: safer to sell that company. Um, then it makes more sense.
Speaker 1: What is Gillian Michael's is Jillian Mikes Jillian Michael's Workouts
Speaker 1: with Jillian Michael's Workouts, the Jillian Michael's Apple now is
Speaker 1: the fitness app, But at that time it was it
Speaker 1: was me. There's no getting around me being me. But
Speaker 1: things that don't need to be me Gillian Michael's chips now,
Speaker 1: but if I fall in love with a certain kind
Speaker 1: of chip, I could invest in it and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I really love this chip something like that, I buy that.
Speaker 1: I buy that. So, Jillian, the last question I ask everyone.
Speaker 1: You know this podcast is called The Important Things, But
Speaker 1: if if people listening just get one little nugget of
Speaker 1: advice from you that could literally change something in their life.
Speaker 1: Whatever you think of, whatever first comes to your head,
Speaker 1: whatever first comes to my head is trust your gut.
Speaker 1: The worst mistakes I have ever made are the ones
Speaker 1: where like, goddamn it, I knew it. I knew it,
Speaker 1: and you know you. It could be health related, it
Speaker 1: could be business advice, it could be legal advice, and
Speaker 1: it's the one where you know it right, but you
Speaker 1: don't want to be difficult, or you don't want to
Speaker 1: be a page, or you don't want to rock the boat,
Speaker 1: whether it's personal or professional. And if you have that
Speaker 1: feeling in your gut, you need to listen to it
Speaker 1: because the very the very finger free you're going to
Speaker 1: create by listening to it. And it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to create this rift. I don't want to create
Speaker 1: these problems that I don't want to be difficult, I
Speaker 1: don't want them to not work with me, or I
Speaker 1: don't want to create this fight within the household is
Speaker 1: going to happen when the thing goes wrong. So by
Speaker 1: avoiding what you're afraid to deal with, you will create
Speaker 1: it just by avoiding it, because you're that when that
Speaker 1: voice talks to you, I've I've never been wrong for me,
Speaker 1: not once, not once. It was all like, god, you know,
Speaker 1: I have this feeling and it was just so wrong.
Speaker 1: Never not freaking once. Trust your gut, trust your gut.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you as always love talking
Speaker 1: to love seeing you. You look amazing by the way
Speaker 1: you look happy, you look beautiful, you look happy, and
Speaker 1: hope to run into you sometime. And I've I've written
Speaker 1: all sorts of notes. I've got some googling to do.
Speaker 1: When we hang up, I'm at your at your back
Speaker 1: and call. Anything you need. Feel free to reach out.
Speaker 1: I think you have my information. Any questions or I
Speaker 1: could put you in touch, but please reach out to
Speaker 1: Dr Subpoenas on She's incredible. If you see it's a
Speaker 1: profile thing, she'll find it. Oh yeah, I'm FedExing my
Speaker 1: poop tomorrow, so ye all right, nice to talk to you. Likewise,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Hi, Hi you guys, Thanks
Speaker 1: for listening. Follow us on social at the Important Things
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