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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. We have got a loaded show for all

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Speaker 1: of you. Carrie Lake running for the Senate from Arizona.

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Speaker 1: You may have heard about the recording controversy in the

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Speaker 1: how things are looking in Arizona as we sit about

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Speaker 1: to be elected president of the United States. Also, our

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Speaker 1: at OutKick. She is fighting for a crazy proposition, women's

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Speaker 1: able to see Kerrie Lake. There is now video accompaniment

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Speaker 1: And we start with what is going on at the

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Speaker 1: border down in Texas. Of all of the issues in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four that confront Joe Biden, crime, inflation, the economy,

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Speaker 1: the war in the Middle East, the war in Europe,

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Speaker 1: nothing is as much of a problem for Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: right now as the continued influx of illegal immigrants across

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Speaker 1: our southern border, and the Supreme Court has gotten involved,

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Speaker 1: the courts in general have gotten involved. The Fifth Circuit,

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Speaker 1: which is their circuit court before the Supreme Court, has

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Speaker 1: been considering a question of whether or not Texas can

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Speaker 1: put up barbed wire razor wire to try to dissuade

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Speaker 1: people from crossing the Rio Grand River coming into Texas

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Speaker 1: and arguing that they deserve asylum in this country. And Buck,

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Speaker 1: you've been down to the border before, you know how

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Speaker 1: this process works. Many of you out there listening to

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Speaker 1: us have been paying attention to this story for a

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Speaker 1: long time. This is what really got Donald Trump elected

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen was his recognition of how the southern

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Speaker 1: border had become effectively a sieve. And I want to

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Speaker 1: read from a letter that Greg Abbott put out yesterday

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Speaker 1: which echoed like wildfire, just spread like crazy through social media.

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Speaker 1: And this is the last last two paragraphs of that

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Speaker 1: letter that I thought were the most cogent and compelling.

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Speaker 1: We essentially have a battle between the state of Texas

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Speaker 1: power of Joe Biden under immigration policy. And here's what

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Speaker 1: here's what Greg Abbott, Governor of Texas wrote. James Madison,

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Speaker 1: Alexander Hamilton, and other visionaries who wrote the US Constitution

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Speaker 1: foresaw states should not be left to the mercy of

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Speaker 1: a lawless president who does nothing to stop external streats,

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Speaker 1: threats like Cartel's smuggling millions of illegal immigrants across the border.

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Speaker 1: That's why the framers included clauses that says each state

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Speaker 1: shall be protected against invasion and state's sovereign interest in

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Speaker 1: invoke its right of self defense and constitutional authority to

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Speaker 1: supersedes any federal statutes. The Texas National Guard, the Texas

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Speaker 1: on that authority as well as state law to secure

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Speaker 1: the Texas border. Buck. This is a major inflection point,

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Speaker 1: not only politically, but also morally as it pertains to

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, also it's a recognition of what's really

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Speaker 2: We are losing our country, because if you do not

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Speaker 2: have a border, you do not have a country. It's

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Speaker 2: just a question of what the timeline is. How quickly

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Speaker 2: the hour glass and it's all over. This is what

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Speaker 2: is happening when you have on track for eight million

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Speaker 2: I think it was, they were claiming there were eleven

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Speaker 2: eleven million illegals that have in all that. By the way,

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Speaker 2: that number was low and was always inaccurate, but I'm

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Speaker 2: All that the order really says, and you know, people

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Speaker 2: The order says that it really just removes the right

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Speaker 2: federal government is no longer blocked from removing the wire.

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Speaker 2: That's what this does is like, all right, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: still find ways to put down wire. Governor Abbott is

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Speaker 2: It should be a replication clay of what we've seen

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Speaker 2: with the migrants in the cities. This is what the

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Speaker 2: Libs want. They should get it. They want to pick

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Speaker 2: remind the country of it. Let's have federal resources spent

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Speaker 2: at a time when the border is totally overwhelmed, when

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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand Americans a year dying a fental overdoses,

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Speaker 2: almost all of which is coming directly from Mexico. Let's

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Speaker 2: have the Biden DHS removing barriers to a legal entry,

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Speaker 2: focusing on that at this point in time, and let's

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Speaker 1: Let's show people this in the months ahead. I think

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Speaker 1: it's critical. This puts buck to the point. I think

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Speaker 1: you're right, it is critical. But it also puts Biden

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Speaker 1: between a rock and a hard place, right because if

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Speaker 1: southern border to be wide open. And only about seventeen

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Speaker 1: you've got political, where you got legal, where you have

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Speaker 1: so many different intertwined complexities that if you try to

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Speaker 1: stamp the disaster that is going on on the border

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Speaker 1: and own it and also buck with media there because

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Speaker 1: the southern border. Remember we started talking about this a

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Speaker 2: They're like, how dare you show this critical story of

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Speaker 1: That's right. They were so upset that anybody was covering

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Speaker 1: Bill Malugin is like the only guy that even covers

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Speaker 1: the border, right, I mean he's down there with his

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Speaker 1: was at the Patriot Awards recently and somebody got up

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Speaker 1: I think it was a year and a half ago

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Speaker 1: or two years ago maybe, and he said, the most

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Speaker 1: work that everybody puts in on border patrol. He said,

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Speaker 1: it's that Bill Malugin can fly in a helicopter wearing

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Speaker 1: absolutely perfect. It was really funny when he was getting

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Speaker 1: up talking about that. Bill Malugin and I have something

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you guys are both indestructible. You could. You

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Speaker 1: don't even need helmets. And so what's wild about this

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Speaker 1: is what does Biden do. Let's pretend you were in

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Speaker 1: the White House right now, because it's not only a

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Speaker 1: political problem, it's also a legal problem. And I would

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Speaker 1: submit that Greg Abbott and all the other there are

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Speaker 1: with the idea being that Greg Abbott can defend Texas

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Speaker 1: from invasion. I don't even know what they do, Buck,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how the issue is.

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Speaker 2: Here's the issue because because the the Democrat base, the

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Speaker 2: twenty percent of just they'll they love Biden even though

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Speaker 2: the Democrat Party is open borders. That's what's happened, you know,

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Speaker 2: it used to be the Democrat Party was, you know,

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Speaker 2: Obama's third term. But clay on a on an election year,

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Speaker 2: this an issue where it's solidly sixty five to seventy

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Speaker 2: And the Supreme Court, to the point that you've been

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Speaker 2: That does put it squarely at Biden's feet. This isn't

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Speaker 2: this has changed. No deal I've been pounding the table

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Speaker 2: on the show about how disastrous any kind of a

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Speaker 2: lets Democrats pretend they're doing something. When Mitch McConnell sees

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Speaker 2: they're trying some shady stuff.

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Speaker 1: Buck. I mean, we could be headed for a situation.

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Speaker 1: And and by the way, I'd love to hear from

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Speaker 1: if there are any let me toss out constitutional scholars

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Speaker 1: A two Buck. We could be headed for a situation

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Speaker 1: where Joe Biden uses the National Guard to stop the

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Speaker 1: Texas National Guard right the state Texas State Guard from

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Speaker 1: being able to defend the southern border. And I don't

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Speaker 1: even know what that interplay would look like for the

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Speaker 1: federal government to be rolling in. Can you imagine the

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Speaker 1: optics on this rolling into the southern border and ripping

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Speaker 1: down all of the obstacles that the State of Texas

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Speaker 1: staggeringly bad for Biden that it makes it difficult for

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Speaker 1: me to even think how he could play it. Abbot

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Speaker 1: has really checkmated Joe Biden, and I think we have

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Speaker 1: to give credit to Greg Abbot. By the way, Greg

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Speaker 1: Abbot started these migrant buses going to New York and

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Speaker 1: relatively non existent. Instead, Greg Abbot has brought the left

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Speaker 2: defamation based on what he said after the civil cases.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a I think this is a

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Speaker 1: new defamation suit it but I don't think I think

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Speaker 1: it's for something. I think she also has sued for

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Speaker 1: what he said in his CNN special after the verdict

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Speaker 1: came out. I think this one isn't before that. I

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Speaker 1: think there's like three different lasses paying all of her

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Speaker 1: legal bills. By the way, I don't I think that

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Speaker 1: there's someone probably paying these legal bills. Oh that's certain.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think it's even been written about.

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Speaker 1: We can look that up. Who exactly was finding.

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Speaker 2: That, I don't know. I'm just guessing. I was just

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Speaker 2: thinking of this. I'm like, I'm sure we're gonna find

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Speaker 2: it's some Democrat mega donor who is abusing the legal

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Speaker 2: system in this way to just try to smear Trump.

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Speaker 2: But I think Clay that also. You know, when I

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Speaker 2: had friends who worked in college admissions a whole other thing.

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Speaker 2: I had a couple of friends who worked at some

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Speaker 2: elite schools and the emissions, and they used to always say,

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Speaker 2: if the file is too thick, it's a no go,

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Speaker 2: meaning if you have to if you have to just

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Speaker 2: throw so much right, like there's only some things that

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Speaker 2: you need to see, and I think we're out of

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Speaker 2: the file is too thick moment against Donald Trump, where

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Speaker 2: really four indictments plus the civil case in New York,

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Speaker 2: plus the E. G. And Carroll thing, it's it starts

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Speaker 2: to turn into noise, and the and the maniacal nature

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Speaker 2: of this effort starts to become a parent just from

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Speaker 2: they're doing, Like, you know, it's too much, right, There's

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Speaker 2: just too much they're throwing in them at once. So

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Speaker 2: I think that they're getting close to the line where

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Speaker 2: people would see this already. The Republicans obviously see it

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Speaker 2: this way and have all along, but I think some

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Speaker 2: Independents are going to say this is like harassment basically. Well,

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Speaker 2: and I think this could play into Trump's favor, which

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Speaker 2: is what I was going to say. I think the

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Speaker 2: Alvin braggcase may end up going off first because it's

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Speaker 2: still scheduled I think for March, and the Alvin braggcase

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Speaker 2: in New York City is a total mess. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's basically a bookkeeping that they're trying to elevate to

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Speaker 2: a felony charge. And even the most.

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Speaker 1: Died in the wool anti Trump zelots out there looked

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Speaker 1: at these charges and said, yeah, this is a joke.

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Speaker 1: So I think Trump could benefit from the witch hunt

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Speaker 1: starting with the Alvin braggcase going first, because I think

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Speaker 1: it sets the precedent that what is going on is

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Speaker 1: so intensely political that people pay less attention. So remember,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people out there saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: this case is going to start in March. I don't

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Speaker 1: think this case with Jack Smith is going to be

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Speaker 1: able to start until after the Supreme Court rules fully

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Speaker 1: with all of its opinions. Assuming that they don't come

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Speaker 1: out with those opinions until June. That means that then

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Speaker 1: you have to see to jury all that process. Then

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Speaker 1: you have to worry about whether or not the South

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Speaker 1: Florida case is implicated. The timing on this is going

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Speaker 2: Now she is running for a critical Senate seat in

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Speaker 2: Arizona could be the difference between Senate control or not.

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Speaker 2: For it will hopefully be a second term for President Trump. Carrie,

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Speaker 2: great to have you back on the program. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: making the time.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for having me guys.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we've got a few things to talk

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Speaker 2: to you about it. I did want to get you

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Speaker 2: though away in first if I could carry on you

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Speaker 2: know both what Governor Abbot is doing at the border,

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Speaker 2: because the whole nation I think is focusing in on

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Speaker 2: this today. It's really a critical issue. And you want

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Speaker 2: to be a senator. We certainly hope you're successful in

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Speaker 2: this endeavor. You want to be a senator from a

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Speaker 2: border state. I have a feeling your home state governor

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Speaker 2: not exactly stepping up for the Constitution like Abbot is.

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Speaker 1: So if you could speak to both of.

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Speaker 3: Those, well, you know, this is why when I ran

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Speaker 3: for governor, I had the strongest border policy this country

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Speaker 3: ever seen, and it was the state's taking back their

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Speaker 3: sovereignty and taking control of the border. I called it

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Speaker 3: an invasion before anybody else did, and it is truly

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Speaker 3: an invasion. I think now everyone's come to the realization.

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Speaker 3: And I suggested months ago Governor Abbot, since he had

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Speaker 3: control of a stay and he is a Republican, to

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Speaker 3: issue a declaration of invasion and immediately take control of

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Speaker 3: the border. And I'm glad that he's doing it now.

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Speaker 3: I wish he would have done it sooner, but better

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Speaker 3: late than never. Each border state, each governor, has the ability,

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Speaker 3: and Franklin is a duty duty to the citizens of

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Speaker 3: their state and of this country to secure the border

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Speaker 3: on their own. We can't rely on the federal government.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden caused this, and he's weaponizing the federal government

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Speaker 3: to keep the problem alive. And so I'm really concerned

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Speaker 3: that we it's gonna get worse. I hope the Senate

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Speaker 3: gets together and comes up with a border plan, not

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Speaker 3: to give all these people amNY not for the taxpayers

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Speaker 3: to pay for their you know, lawyers, and give them

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Speaker 3: job permits and allow them to stay here forever. I

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Speaker 3: hope instead they do a very simple piece of legislation

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Speaker 3: which funds the border wall, and they get that thing

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Speaker 3: up asap, and they also, you know, allow these states

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Speaker 3: to put their national Guard on the border, protective citizens.

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Speaker 1: Kerrie, appreciate you being on with us. I want to play.

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Speaker 1: You've been in the center of a lot of controversy,

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Speaker 1: which thank you, by the way, and you know that

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Speaker 1: Buck and myself both really wish that you were governor

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Speaker 1: right now because we know you would be standing behind

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Speaker 1: Greg Abbott for border security unlike Katie Hobbes. But there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who don't want you involved in politics.

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Speaker 1: And this clip I want to play for you fifty

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Speaker 1: two seconds. You can tell people where or if you

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Speaker 1: think they should go listen to a longer version, but

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Speaker 1: this is fifty two seconds. I want to play it

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Speaker 1: for our audience, and let me give a little bit

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Speaker 1: of prelude beforehand. This is a clip where someone is

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Speaker 1: offering to pay you not to run for the Senate

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Speaker 1: from Arizona. Here is cut twenty three. If we could

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Speaker 1: play it, and then I'm going to ask you to

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Speaker 1: react to it right after carry here it is. There

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Speaker 1: are very powerful people. They want to keep you out.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, they do, but they're willing to put his

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Speaker 1: money with their mouths or a good way solution.

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Speaker 3: What do they want me to do?

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Speaker 1: You want to say, opportunities? Is there a number which

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Speaker 1: I can be bought?

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Speaker 3: That's what it's about. We can take a hawks no, no,

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Speaker 3: ten million, twenty million, thirty no, no, no, a billion. No.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to deal with people like this. These

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Speaker 3: people are un American, and I think they're unethical and

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Speaker 3: I would be absolutely immoral if I did that.

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Speaker 1: You know what it is.

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Speaker 3: The people don't get to choose their elected officials unless

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Speaker 3: they're pre approved by the swamp, and the swamp doesn't

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Speaker 3: preapprove of me.

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Speaker 1: I think you should go public with this and then say, hey, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I turned my key in my car and Okay, that

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Speaker 1: is blockbuster Carrie. That is And I'm curious so many

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Speaker 1: questions that that I have coming out of that. But

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Speaker 1: first of all, do you know who wanted to pay

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Speaker 1: you not to run for Senate from Arizona? Did you

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Speaker 1: record that yourself? What can you tell our audience that

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Speaker 1: just heard that clip of someone offering, conveying an offer.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like to you to be paid not to

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Speaker 1: run for Senate from Arizona.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a longer version. It's between ten and eleven minutes,

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Speaker 3: the full version that is out, and I really recommend

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Speaker 3: people go and listen to that. It's shocking. I was

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Speaker 3: literally dumbfounded when that happened. I thought I was in

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Speaker 3: an episode of House of Cards. And that is the

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Speaker 3: now former chair of the AZGOP Jeff DeWitt, who was

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Speaker 3: chairman of the Arizona Republican Party. He resigned yesterday, thankfully.

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Speaker 3: This kind of unethical behavior that we have to root

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Speaker 3: out of all of politics and government. We have to

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Speaker 3: get this out. I don't care if the corruptions Democrat corruption,

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Speaker 3: Republican corruption. We the people demand the change. We're with

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Speaker 3: sand right now. So this was a conversation. Yes, I

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Speaker 3: did record that Jeff had called me. This was eleven

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Speaker 3: months ago, by the way, and you know, you guys

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Speaker 3: might just be learning about it. But shortly after this

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Speaker 3: conversation happened, I got on a plane and headed to

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Speaker 3: Seapack in Washington, d C. Where I was going to

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Speaker 3: be delivering a keynote speech, and it was just gnaw

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Speaker 3: at me that that happened, and the whole plane ride there,

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Speaker 3: I just thought I had to tell somebody about this,

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Speaker 3: So I changed my speech, and during my speech, I

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Speaker 3: this for eleven months now. The mainstream media has never

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Speaker 3: asked me once about it. I laid that whole thing

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Speaker 3: out for eleven months. I talk about it in speeches

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Speaker 3: when I go to small groups, big groups, and no

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Speaker 3: mainstream media reporter ever called and said, tell me more

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Speaker 3: about that, who is behind it, what's going on? And

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Speaker 3: so this was released this week. I recorded it because

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Speaker 3: Jeff had called me about you know a few minutes

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Speaker 3: earlier and said, I, what are you doing. I'm in

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Speaker 3: your neighborhood. I've just outside your neighborhood. I'm on my

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Speaker 3: way over and I have to talk to you about

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Speaker 3: something and it's something I can't talk it's about I

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Speaker 3: knew it was about me running per Senate because we

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Speaker 3: had a little bit of a pric. So I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to be talked out of running per Senate. If

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Speaker 3: I decide to do it, I'm going to do it.

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Speaker 3: And he said, well, I have to talk to you

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Speaker 3: about something very important phrasing of course, but I can't

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Speaker 3: do it on the phone. What I have to tell

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Speaker 3: you I have to tell you in person. And I

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Speaker 3: don't know about you guys, but you ever just get

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Speaker 3: a funny feeling named your stomach and your gut and

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Speaker 3: you go, this doesn't sound right. And I was.

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Speaker 1: Cia carry that used to happen sometimes, for sure. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So Carrie, so let me ask you this then do

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Speaker 1: you know what did it?

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Speaker 3: Because because I thought there could maybe they're going to

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Speaker 3: be a threat involved against my safety and I and

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Speaker 3: I recorded it and then I never listened to it

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Speaker 3: again until this week and something another little like you know, feeling,

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Speaker 3: pulled that out. I found it, I tracked it down,

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Speaker 3: than I even remembered it. And my daughter, who's twenty,

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Speaker 3: who is so worried about her future and whether she'd

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Speaker 3: be able to live the American dream, said, Mom, tell

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Speaker 3: me this guy's no longer involved in politics. I said, well,

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Speaker 3: he actually as he runs vieras on Republican Party, and

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Speaker 3: she said, you have to do something about this, Mom,

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Speaker 3: you can't just sit on that and do you I

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Speaker 3: really didn't think I was going to do anything, but

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Speaker 3: us rooting people like this out.

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Speaker 1: Do you know who conveyed that offer to Jeff de witt.

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Speaker 3: I don't know for certain. I thought about it. I

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Speaker 3: pondered it. I laid awake at night wondering. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'd come up with thing people, I think it might be.

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Speaker 3: The sad thing, guys, is that you could think for

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Speaker 3: twenty four hours and probably work up a list of

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Speaker 3: four hundred people and entities that it could be. Well,

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Speaker 3: why that's how corrupt it is?

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Speaker 2: Why would they not want you to run? You know,

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Speaker 2: like not just it's one thing. People can choose who

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Speaker 2: they want a primary. We get that fine, the notion

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Speaker 2: that you would need to be and you know you

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Speaker 2: obviously didn't take this. I made an offer you can't

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Speaker 2: refuse except you refused it. But that they would want

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Speaker 2: to do this is to prevent you from running, Like,

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Speaker 2: why do you think that is?

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Speaker 3: Well, this was eleven months ago, and I'm going to

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Speaker 3: lay it out. Jeff de Wood is a defensive supporter,

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Speaker 3: and they didn't want a Maga candidate in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: on the ballot. They knew that it would bring out

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Speaker 3: I bring out Magan, I bring out a lot of Independence.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually very popular with independence, the most popular Republican

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Speaker 3: in Arizona with Independence. He had to remember I was

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Speaker 3: in their homes for almost thirty years as the main

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Speaker 3: news voice in Arizona. And I think they want to

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Speaker 3: hurt I think that they wanted to hurt Trump. I

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Speaker 3: think they wanted to put an end to Trump. And

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Speaker 3: I was giving a lot of pressure to back away

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Speaker 3: and distance myself from President Trump, which I won't do.

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Speaker 3: He's an incredible president, a great candidate, and he's the

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Speaker 3: man for this look that we are in in history.

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Speaker 3: And so I think they didn't want me. I don't

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Speaker 3: think they want MAGA. I don't think they want America first,

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Speaker 3: honest people that can't be bribed and can't be blackmails

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Speaker 3: going to Washington, DC. Because what happens is you get

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Speaker 3: there and immediately they try to bribe you, blackmail you,

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Speaker 3: pay you off, and get control over you. So that

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Speaker 3: we always wonder why do these guys vote the way

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Speaker 3: they do. We elect them, they tell us they're going

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Speaker 3: to do something, and then they go there and immediately

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Speaker 3: just stab the American people in the back. And they're

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Speaker 3: worried about me because as if you listen to the

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Speaker 3: whole tape, Jeff says, Washington DC is a big backscratching club,

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Speaker 3: and you don't scratch their back, and you've already made

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Speaker 3: it very apparent you won't scratch their back, and I won't.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not joining the backscratching club. I'm joining the

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Speaker 3: butt kicking club. And we're gonna we're gonna knock some

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Speaker 3: sense into these people, because.

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Speaker 1: Well, Carrie, we certainly want you to be the next

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Speaker 1: Senator from Arizona. So I'm Guessingkerrielake dot com is where

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Speaker 1: people who are listening to this right now can go donate.

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Speaker 1: But you mentioned something. I just want to circle back

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Speaker 1: to it. When I hear that, Carrie, you said it,

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Speaker 1: it feels like you're in a House of Cards movie

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Speaker 1: that you know, the television show where people are pulling threads?

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Speaker 1: Does it a huge part of you? You said there

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Speaker 1: might be four hundred people, but shouldn't we know who's

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Speaker 1: trying to bribe someone not to run for office? Like

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Speaker 1: where that money is coming from? That because Jeff de

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Speaker 1: Witt theoretically is conveying an offer, right he would know.

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Speaker 1: I think as a as a citizen, certainly if I

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Speaker 1: lived in Arizona, i'd want to know. But as a

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Speaker 1: citizen of the United States, I want to know who's

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Speaker 1: trying to bribe people not to run because they don't

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Speaker 1: like what they might say. That seems very important to know.

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Speaker 3: I agree, and I think he should say who. These

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Speaker 3: very powerful people back east are very powerful, very powerful

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Speaker 3: people back east should not be dictating who runs for

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Speaker 3: office in Arizona or Missouri or Texas. The people of

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Speaker 3: Arizona don't want powerful people back east dictating who they

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Speaker 3: approved to run for office. And the sad thing is

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Speaker 3: DeWitt was very well aware there have been four or

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Speaker 3: five polls that have come out at this point when

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Speaker 3: he came to my house, that nobody could beat me

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Speaker 3: in the US Senate race. I was pulled against everybody,

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Speaker 3: and I beat them all by a mile, including in

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Speaker 3: the polling for the general election. So that's what makes

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Speaker 3: me believe that they didn't want me on because they

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Speaker 3: knew I could win, and they don't want a mama

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Speaker 3: bear who's seed up and who's going to fight for

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Speaker 3: her state in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it could be Mitch McConnell.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean no, I really don't want

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Speaker 3: to figure and guests and throw names out. I don't

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Speaker 3: think that's responsible. I don't know who it could be.

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Speaker 3: The problem is, as I said, it could be so

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Speaker 3: many people, which shows you how dirty politics and DC is.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's why they hate Trump. Washington, DC

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Speaker 3: hates Trump and they hate me. And actually we need

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Speaker 3: to be sending people to DC that DC doesn't want. Kerry.

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Speaker 1: I just need to know something.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to win by enough that they can't

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Speaker 2: can't derail it with the shutting down voting and printers

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Speaker 2: going AWRYE.

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Speaker 3: Well, I believe we are. I believe we are, and

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Speaker 3: I think you know we've one of the things we've

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Speaker 3: done since that last elections revealed what happened and how

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Speaker 3: they did it and what they did, and it makes

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Speaker 3: it harder the next time around. They got to come

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Speaker 3: up with new ways. I mean, they did new things

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Speaker 3: in twenty two that they didn't do in twenty And

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Speaker 3: now there's a reason they're trying to sue me and

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Speaker 3: stop me and get me just like Trump, get me

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Speaker 3: so caught up in court and bogged down that I

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Speaker 3: can't campaign. It's truly election interference. They're doing it at

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Speaker 3: a national level with Trump. Here in Arizona with me,

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Speaker 3: but the people understand that I have been a fighter

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Speaker 3: for them that I didn't back down, and that we

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Speaker 3: are revealing exactly where the where the problems are in

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Speaker 3: our election system and we just want it to be honest. Guys.

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Speaker 3: I just want honest elections. I want the most liberal

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Speaker 3: Democrat and the most conservative Republican and everything in between.

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Speaker 3: I want everyone's legal boat to count and that we

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Speaker 3: can all rest assured that our system is fair and honest.

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Speaker 3: And that's all I think everybody wants that, all right.

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Speaker 2: Kerry, like everybody running for Senate. We'll have you on again,

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Speaker 2: Carrie as it gets closer. Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, guys, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: do so. I just mentioned Riley Gains. She is in

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Speaker 1: she lives in here in Nashville, does a lot of

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Speaker 1: But things just keep getting crazier in sports. And this

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Speaker 1: the LBG LPGA Tour. Now, anyone who's ever golf knows

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Speaker 1: that they have women's teas and they have men's teas.

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Speaker 1: Pretty well established. Men theoretically can hit the ball farther

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Speaker 1: past the women's tea box. That is not always ideal

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Speaker 1: for me. But Riley, can you believe that things just

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Speaker 1: keep getting crazier when it comes to men deciding to

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Speaker 5: I would love well. First of all, Clay, thank you

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Speaker 5: so much for having me on.

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Speaker 6: Look.

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Speaker 5: I would love to say that I'm surprised, but truthfully

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Speaker 5: I'm not. This is I mean, we could predict that

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Speaker 5: this is the direction that we're going, that we're going

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Speaker 5: to continue going. While our leaders basically sit on their hands,

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Speaker 5: whether that be leaders of the NCAA, whether that be

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Speaker 5: the Biden administration, they are sitting idly by and smiling.

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Speaker 5: As are the women, right, we ask ourselves all the time.

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Speaker 5: I hear it all the time, where are the feminists?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 5: Where are these women? They are sitting and applauding their

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Speaker 5: but truthfully, I think we can only predict that this

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Speaker 1: Hey, Riley, it's Buck.

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Speaker 2: I wonder on this, when you travel and you're making

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Speaker 2: you on this issue? Is there a way that we

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Speaker 2: could try to get somebody of some prominence in the

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Speaker 2: pro trans women against women athletes movement, because I just

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Speaker 2: I feel like this is one of those things where

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Speaker 2: there's this belief that's out there, but it will never

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Speaker 2: allow itself to be publicly challenged, Right, So they'll just

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Speaker 2: keep on taking shots at you from behind Twitter, or

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Speaker 2: they'll be you know, they'll mob you at a speech,

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Speaker 2: screaming things.

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Speaker 1: Will anyone actually debate you? I really wonder about this.

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Speaker 5: I look, this will be my public call to Megan Rapino,

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Speaker 5: to Keith Olberman's let's bring that guy into this, to

876
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Speaker 5: Leah Thomas at that I would love to debate this

877
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Speaker 5: topic with any of those three individuals, because but I

878
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Speaker 5: can tell you what their response would be. Well, really,

879
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 5: what their lack of response means. They know that their side,

880
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Speaker 5: that their argument is not rooted in science. You know

881
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 5: what happened to follow the science. It's not rooted in

882
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Speaker 5: common sense or truth or logic or reasoning or lived experience. Really,

883
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Speaker 5: but our side is so I will I will wait

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Speaker 5: for the day for any of those three individuals, or

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Speaker 5: really anyone on the other side of the aisle to

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Speaker 5: have that conversation, to have civil discourse, which is what

887
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Speaker 5: our society is lacking on this issue in many others.

888
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Speaker 5: I wait for that.

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Speaker 1: Riley, you have an illustrious sec swimming career, despite the

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Speaker 1: fact that Keith Olberman, who, by the way, the most

891
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Speaker 1: devastating thing you've actually said about Keith Olberman is that

892
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Speaker 1: you had to ask your dad who we was, which

893
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Speaker 1: I just picture Keith Overman curly up in the fetal

894
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Speaker 1: position when he heard that. But you swam at the

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Speaker 1: University of Kentucky. I just mentioned your dad, Brad Gains.

896
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Speaker 1: I think I'm correct in this played football at Vanderbilt.

897
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Speaker 1: And for people out there who remember nineteen eighties SEC football.

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Speaker 1: Your dad was involved. He was a tight end at Vanderbilt,

899
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Speaker 1: caught a pass and Chucky Mullins, who played for Ole Miss,

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Speaker 1: hit him. Became paralyzed. And it's a iconically iconic and

901
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Speaker 1: also very sad story because Chucky Mullins ended up dying

902
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Speaker 1: as a result of that hit. And many people out

903
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Speaker 1: there who are SEC fans know about this. I bring

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Speaker 1: it up for this reason. They made a documentary about it.

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Speaker 1: When you spoke out against ESPN honoring Leah Thomas as

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Speaker 1: a Women's Athlete of the Year. What happened to ESPN

907
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Speaker 1: when it comes to your dad's documentary about that hit

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Speaker 1: between Brad Gaines Chucky Mullins that was so instrumental in

909
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Speaker 1: striking a accord with so many football fans out there.

910
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Speaker 1: What did ESPN do?

911
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Speaker 5: They removed it from their their docket entirely, which is wild.

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Speaker 1: You're right.

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Speaker 5: The story between my dad and Chuckie Mullins, of course,

914
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Speaker 5: it's a very tragic one, but it's a story of hope.

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Speaker 5: It's a story of overcoming adversity. And you know, these

916
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Speaker 5: racial barriers that that we see prevalent today even in

917
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Speaker 5: football press conferences and different things it's an incredible, heart touching,

918
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Speaker 5: heartwarming story. But I there was the tweet that it's

919
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Speaker 5: my pen tweet on my profile. It was something to

920
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Speaker 5: the effect of his Women's History Month, they're honoring Leah Thomas.

921
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Speaker 5: The only woman in air quotes there, the only woman

922
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Speaker 5: they choose to honor in all of swimming for Women's

923
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Speaker 5: History Month was a man. And so I spoke out

924
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Speaker 5: about this and said, look, Leah Thomas is not brave

925
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Speaker 5: or inspiring. This is this is a cheater, a narcissistic

926
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Speaker 5: cheater at that And if I was a woman working

927
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Speaker 5: at ESPN, I would walk out. Yeah, they didn't like

928
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Speaker 5: that very much, and so that that's been removed entirely.

929
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Speaker 5: I think the thirty for thirty and sec story to

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Speaker 5: still maybe in their library, but it's not on their

931
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Speaker 5: rotation anymore.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that it's a single staggering to think

933
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Speaker 1: about Buck that they took her dad's documentary down because

934
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Speaker 1: the daughter criticized them for honoring a man pretending to

935
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Speaker 1: be a woman. I mean, that's just how venal these

936
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Speaker 1: people are. To your point on like who will take

937
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Speaker 1: the other side, A lot of people privately will attack it.

938
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Speaker 1: It's crazy. Well, This is also what I wanted to

939
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Speaker 1: ask her.

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Speaker 2: If you know you operated in the sports world at

941
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Speaker 2: the highest NCAA level of your sport, do any of

942
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Speaker 2: the people who actually compete do they believe this? I mean,

943
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Speaker 2: I just can't imagine if you're a young woman who

944
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Speaker 2: whether you're a swimmer or you're a track athlete or

945
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Speaker 2: field hockey, whatever, and has worked so hard, wouldn't recognize

946
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Speaker 2: that allowing some guy who's six foot four to suddenly

947
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Speaker 2: say I'm a woman and start throwing elbows in the

948
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Speaker 2: pool during water polo practice, that that's insane, right, Like?

949
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Speaker 2: Are there people have you come across people that have

950
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Speaker 2: competed at a high level who really truly believe that

951
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Speaker 2: men don't have an advantage over women in sports? Does

952
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Speaker 2: the does the brainwashing work well enough for that?

953
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Speaker 5: I don't think anyone believes that men don't have an advantage. Uh,

954
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Speaker 5: there are certainly a very very few who are willing

955
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Speaker 5: to overlook that piece and hopes of being seen as

956
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Speaker 5: kind and inclusive. But I will speak for the majority

957
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Speaker 5: of especially elite female athletes, and saying that we do

958
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Speaker 5: see the harm and we do see the severity of

959
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Speaker 5: allowing men into women's sports. Just like Sage said in

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Speaker 5: her video that she made that you had briefly mentioned

961
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Speaker 5: at the beginning of the segment, the amount of messages

962
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Speaker 5: just in this LPGA, just in this instance, the amount

963
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Speaker 5: of messages I have received from these LPGA golfers who

964
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Speaker 5: have either had to compete against Hayley Davidson or will

965
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Speaker 5: potentially have the opportunity moving forward to compete against Haley Davidson,

966
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Speaker 5: who are appalled at what's going on. Some of them

967
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Speaker 5: have told me stories about what this man has said

968
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Speaker 5: to them about their bodies. I mean, just really disturbing things.

969
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Speaker 5: And these these girls stage said it. They want to

970
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Speaker 5: say something, but they're terrified. You know, they don't want to.

971
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Speaker 5: They don't want to have to make the sacrifice. You know,

972
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 5: they trained so hard. They don't want to not compete.

973
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 5: They're scared of the backlash. They a lot of the

974
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Speaker 5: too playing a professional sport. It's their source of income.

975
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Speaker 5: They're barely getting by, and so these girls they can't

976
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 5: they can't risk that for their family's sake.

977
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Speaker 1: Tell us about the book. The book is let me

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Speaker 1: make sure I get it right. Happy No Snakes Day.

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Speaker 1: What is the book about, what inspired you to write

983
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Speaker 1: it and why do you think kids out there and

984
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Speaker 1: their parents would.

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Speaker 5: Enjoy wa Well, here's what I do know. Our society

986
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Speaker 5: wants nothing more than to target our children with dangerous rhetoric,

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Speaker 5: which is exactly why I partnered with Brave Books, so

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Speaker 5: But Happy nos Snake's Day it is about standing up

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Speaker 5: for the truth, speaking the truth, even when despite being

998
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Speaker 5: afraid you know the consequences and the fear of what

999
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Speaker 5: might happen when you call out the hypocrisy and the

1000
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 5: lies and the deception and the manipulation that you see.

1001
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Speaker 5: Doing the right thing is always the right thing. There's

1002
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Speaker 5: no compromise between right and wrong. And that is what

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Speaker 1: Awesome stuff. K. You have done amazing work, Riley. Let's play.

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Speaker 1: Let you react to I think we have the Sage

1006
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Speaker 1: Steel audio that we were referencing. It's like forty seconds.

1007
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Speaker 1: Listen to this. I'll let you react to it, and

1008
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Speaker 1: then I encourage everybody to go buy that book.

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Speaker 6: You know, this whole transgender or sports topic one of

1010
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 6: the things I hear a lot of why aren't these

1011
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 6: women standing up these female athletes. I got a DM

1012
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 6: over the weekend from one LPGA golfer currently on the

1013
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 6: tour who is responding to the biological male who won

1014
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 6: a women's tournament last weekend, and she said, there's a

1015
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 6: lot of people on the tour that feel the same way,

1016
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 6: but they're scared of losing sponsors. And she said that

1017
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 6: that's the problem. They're struggling financially, either don't have a

1018
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 6: sponsor and are looking for one, or have a sponsor

1019
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 6: and are afraid that the sponsors are then going to

1020
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 6: dump them for standing up for their own sports. So

1021
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 6: I see that, I see the fear in these women.

1022
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 6: My question is what can we do? What can we

1023
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 6: do to help them feel more secure, to help them

1024
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 6: financially make so they can stand up?

1025
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: Riley, you had a great answer. I'm I seconded it.

1026
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: I saw that Seth Dillon at the Babylon b I

1027
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: talked to Buck. He wants to do it too. I

1028
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: love this. You said. If anybody decides not to golf

1029
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: against a man and they lose a sponsor, you me.

1030
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: Now multiple other people out there have said, will help

1031
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: to defray and pick up whatever sponsorship costs you lose,

1032
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: which is I think one way to get female athletes

1033
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: to be more comfortable standing up because they don't have

1034
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: to worry about losing their ability to make a living.

1035
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 5: Absolutely. What we're seeing, what we need to see, really

1036
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 5: is we have to incentivize doing the right thing, which

1037
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 5: is kind of a sad concept. It's sad that we

1038
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 5: have to do this, but we know what we're up

1039
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 5: against and the risk and the threats. They're real. I've

1040
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 5: seen them. I've seen them play out in my own life.

1041
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 5: You know, my coach has seen them. People around me

1042
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 5: who support me, even for simply making a post on Instagram.

1043
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 5: People have lost their jobs for that. So the threats

1044
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 5: and the risk are real, but we have to incentivize

1045
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 5: doing the right thing. We, like Sage mentioned, these girls

1046
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 5: are terrified and so knowing they have people in their

1047
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 5: corner who are behind them one hundred percent, that's encouraging.

1048
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Speaker 5: That's what I needed when I was competing, and so

1049
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 5: to be that person for those people, That's what this

1050
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 5: activism that I've undertaken, that's what it's about. So I

1051
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 5: am happy to do it. You as well, Megan Kelly.

1052
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Speaker 5: Even so, and I think we could crowdfund this, you know,

1053
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Speaker 5: get people to contribute, because people now more than ever

1054
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Speaker 5: are looking for ways to contribute, ways, alternative ways that

1055
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Speaker 5: go against these companies and organizations and entities like the

1056
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Speaker 5: LPGA who don't represent their values. So highlighting that that's

1057
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Speaker 5: what we need.

1058
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Speaker 2: Riley gains everybody. Riley, great work, Thanks so much for

1059
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:55,959
Speaker 2: being here. What's the book again?

1060
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Speaker 5: It is called Happy No Snakes Day and you can

1061
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Speaker 5: find it on Brave books dot com.

1062
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Speaker 1: Cool. She's doing fantastic work. Athlete sec School, a lot

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Speaker 1: of athletics happening this weekend. Buck you were talking about

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