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Speaker 3: And the weight continues about to reach a breaking point
Speaker 3: here it appears. You think we'll see there's a deadline
Speaker 3: staring us in the face midnight tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Right, what can happen in one day?
Speaker 3: What can happen one hour?
Speaker 4: And it always take it never does? It only happens
Speaker 4: after our one hour?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's what's right. Yes, I thought of that today. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's like at one o'clock we'll get a we'll know something,
Speaker 5: we'll get a press conference call.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, you're confident there will be a press call.
Speaker 5: I didn't say that, just judging from history.
Speaker 3: What kind of press conference would it be? Who would
Speaker 3: be in attendance at this press conference?
Speaker 5: Well, if they're calling a press conference, they're resigning Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3: Guy, all right, just like in New England right now,
Speaker 3: they're not re signing their head coach, but they've got
Speaker 3: a new coach they're introducing to the media as we speak.
Speaker 3: Mike Vrabel is now the head coach of the New
Speaker 3: England Patriots.
Speaker 5: And that didn't just happen a tie a sport suit on.
Speaker 2: Oh so you're telling me that he didn't wake up
Speaker 2: like this, right, they just announced it.
Speaker 3: So do you think Mike McCarthy has his tie a
Speaker 3: suit ready to get for Prescott?
Speaker 5: When's the last time we saw him in a tie
Speaker 5: in a suit?
Speaker 3: Well since before he was calling plays.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think, well, maybe his introductory that's what
Speaker 5: I was introductory news conference right?
Speaker 3: All right, Well, we've got well, got so much to
Speaker 3: ask while we await what happens behind the scenes here
Speaker 3: at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 5: By the way, since you brought that up, so the
Speaker 5: reports on Friday and Saturday that they had begun discussions
Speaker 5: were inaccurate.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, let us get everybody briefed on the latest
Speaker 3: report out there, which was forty five minutes ago posted
Speaker 3: on x by Adam Schefter.
Speaker 5: Okay, complements of Don Yee the agent.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's just get it straight right.
Speaker 3: With Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy eligible to talk to
Speaker 3: other teams after midnight Tuesday, there still haven't been any
Speaker 3: negotiations on a new deal with Dallas. Per sources, it's
Speaker 3: now looking like McCarthy will indeed become a coaching free agent,
Speaker 3: with Chicago and New Orleans both expected to be interested
Speaker 3: in speaking with him. That was posted at ten fourteen
Speaker 3: this morning.
Speaker 2: So what's with the I don't know. It seems a
Speaker 2: little bit inconsistent that.
Speaker 4: If you're going to let coach go out into free agency,
Speaker 4: why wouldn't you just allow the Bears to talk to
Speaker 4: him initially?
Speaker 3: Hey, Bill, let me give you another I've got streaking news.
Speaker 3: We've got breaking news from producers. Supreme Tom Pelisara, I'm
Speaker 3: just looking at it. I get this, I've got it
Speaker 3: in front of me right now. You want me to
Speaker 3: do it?
Speaker 2: Go ahead? All right.
Speaker 3: Bills Sero just tweeted this or posted on x. The
Speaker 3: Cowboys and Mike McCarthy had positive discussions last week about
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four season in the future, but McCarthy's
Speaker 3: contract was set to expire Tuesday and the sides couldn't
Speaker 3: work out a deal. Now Dallas needs a new coach
Speaker 3: and McCarthy is expected to have interest helps so negotiations.
Speaker 5: So there were talks, right, There were talks, and which
Speaker 5: tells me that they couldn't agree compensation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what those words just said. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 2: that they want to see.
Speaker 5: Well, he already knows, right, Mike can't talk to these teams,
Speaker 5: but the agent can.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: There's nothing against the agent doing his homework. And obviously
Speaker 5: those teams might be willing to offer him more money
Speaker 5: than or a longer contract than what the Cowboys are.
Speaker 5: That's what it comes down to. I said it last week.
Speaker 5: Somebody said, well, what's the hold up? I said, money
Speaker 5: always always right, money talks.
Speaker 3: And Nepela Sero prior to that four minutes ago, said sources.
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy is out as Cowboys coach. The sides couldn't
Speaker 3: agree on length of contract and McCarthy will pursue other opportunities.
Speaker 3: He leaves Dallas with a winning record in three playoffs.
Speaker 5: I didn't need a source to tell you that. And
Speaker 5: by the way, he's a really good source with McCarthy.
Speaker 5: He gets everything first from McCarthy.
Speaker 2: Oh right, did we have a developing situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't have to wait till one o'clock.
Speaker 2: We did not. I like this breaking news, Go ahead, Bill,
Speaker 2: Do I need just a good thing? This shows out
Speaker 2: eleven and not ten yep. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be here.
Speaker 5: On time and it's still they still have how many
Speaker 5: hours till midnight?
Speaker 2: Yes? It out? Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's the other thing is this kind of goes back
Speaker 3: to what I was talking about last week when I
Speaker 3: had very good sources who told me that Wade Phillips
Speaker 3: was out at mid season, and there was but I
Speaker 3: was you went with it that. I went with it
Speaker 3: until it became official official. I was nervous as could
Speaker 3: be because things can change.
Speaker 4: So this is not your first time being involved and
Speaker 4: on the front end of breaking news.
Speaker 5: And we went over my situation with Jimmy and Jerry
Speaker 5: that it all changed in the morning.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the difference that evening. Here is a difference,
Speaker 3: But here is a difference in it. What once it
Speaker 3: got to this point and thirty six hours away from
Speaker 3: the head coach becoming a coaching free agent, the coach
Speaker 3: has some options as well in this deal. Right. So,
Speaker 3: and by the way, the owner, president and general manager
Speaker 3: well aware of that.
Speaker 2: You've got a lot of other titles, right.
Speaker 3: And knew that this was a possibility.
Speaker 5: No, Bill's getting inside information.
Speaker 3: I may have to go take this phone call and
Speaker 3: y'all may have to continue without me.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll try.
Speaker 3: That means we'll try.
Speaker 6: To do that.
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Speaker 5: Bill our investigative reporter. Investigator is on it right now,
Speaker 5: got a phone call that he couldn't refuse, so he
Speaker 5: stepped away.
Speaker 2: For a second.
Speaker 5: After Tom Pelosero NFL Network is reporting that Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 5: contract set to expire midnight tomorrow. Looks like what he's
Speaker 5: reporting is that the Cowboys McCarthy have not come to
Speaker 5: a contractual agreement and that it looks like that he
Speaker 5: will be a head coaching free agent come Wednesday morning
Speaker 5: at twelve oh one, that they couldn't get together on
Speaker 5: a contract, and we were just discussing that since we
Speaker 5: heard there were talks going on end of last week,
Speaker 5: that this thing probably came down to years in money,
Speaker 5: and maybe Jerry Jones was not willing to make a
Speaker 5: long term commitment to Mike McCarthy or pay him what
Speaker 5: some of the top head coaches in the league are making.
Speaker 5: And there's a couple that are up in the fifteen
Speaker 5: to twenty million a year range, and I don't think
Speaker 5: Jerry's ever paid that that much for a head coach before.
Speaker 5: So we'll have to see how this ends up developing,
Speaker 5: and hopefully Bill Jones can bring some clarity to all
Speaker 5: this reporting because one report said they have not had
Speaker 5: any discussions, and I think Thursday or Friday we had
Speaker 5: reports that they were talking. So this is why I
Speaker 5: just love the off season, because everybody's got an opportunity
Speaker 5: to throw mashed potatoes at the wall and hope something sticks,
Speaker 5: and if it doesn't, twenty four hours later, it all disappears.
Speaker 5: So we'll see you can always right, yeah, or there's
Speaker 5: plenty of potatoes, right, I just got to mash him up.
Speaker 5: So we'll wait for Bill see if he was able
Speaker 5: to confirm anything stronger from inside these walls here as
Speaker 5: we continue on mixed shots and so ever, since we
Speaker 5: saw a lot of games over the last three days.
Speaker 2: And only one of them was really worth my time.
Speaker 5: Yesterday the Commanders, the Commanders and Tampa Bay. I am
Speaker 5: going to probably now I can't. I was going to
Speaker 5: say people out there should put money on the Commanders
Speaker 5: because something fishy is going on with them. Really, I mean,
Speaker 5: think about how they got to where they are right
Speaker 5: now going into the wild card weekend. If you consider
Speaker 5: one win with a tipped hail Mary Gas, another win
Speaker 5: when New Orleans decided, no, we're not going into overtime,
Speaker 5: We're going to go for two and it failed.
Speaker 2: And another win.
Speaker 5: And there's a couple more there that need to be
Speaker 5: documented because they've had I think I heard on the
Speaker 5: broadcast yesterday like seven games that went down to the
Speaker 5: last possession yep.
Speaker 2: And then the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Leading them nineteen sixteen with six seconds to go and
Speaker 5: they throw a touchdown pass to win that game, which
Speaker 5: solidified their sixth seed, and why they were playing Tampa Bay,
Speaker 5: the lowest seated division champion yesterday, And then we can
Speaker 5: go through that game, I guess we can go backwards
Speaker 5: because they're lined up to kick the winning field goal
Speaker 5: with two seconds to left left, and I'm watching the
Speaker 5: trajectory of the kick, and I'm going, no.
Speaker 2: I thought it was going I thought this was hit
Speaker 2: it head on.
Speaker 5: Gonzales is gonna miss this field goal?
Speaker 2: What was it like thirty one? Yeah or nothing?
Speaker 4: And it was a float there, right, So it wasn't
Speaker 4: like he put his foot into it and drove it
Speaker 4: in like that nice golf shot, right, you know, he
Speaker 4: just kind of like hit it fat seemed like, and
Speaker 4: it seemed to just kind.
Speaker 2: Of it was fading, and it looked like it did
Speaker 2: not want to go over the ball. It hits the
Speaker 2: upright right on the inside, bounces in right on the inside,
Speaker 2: bounces in.
Speaker 5: I'm sitting there going, oh my lord, this this team
Speaker 5: is charmed. And not only that, if we look at
Speaker 5: how they got to twenty twenty. They get a stop
Speaker 5: at the goal line early in the fourth quarter and
Speaker 5: they have a misconnection on an end a round to
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 2: It's Jalen Jalen mcmilling.
Speaker 5: And he hits them in the hip, just like the
Speaker 5: Cooper rest play right, same thing. How they had nothing
Speaker 5: to do with that, nothing to do And the ball
Speaker 5: is not only fumbled, but it it looked like Tampa
Speaker 5: Bay was going to recover it, and it hits somebody's
Speaker 5: foot and kind of moved to the side.
Speaker 2: And that's where Baker was trying to reach his hand in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but Wagner.
Speaker 4: Wagner came and recovered the ball, covered it on them.
Speaker 4: I mean he was alert because he was on it
Speaker 4: before Baker Mayfield was able to.
Speaker 5: And if it didn't hit that guy's foot, Baker might
Speaker 5: have It's coming to him right, and they recover, and
Speaker 5: whether they end up doing getting the go ahead touchdown
Speaker 5: it because at that point they had only scored thirteen points. Right,
Speaker 5: they were owning the time of possession, but they weren't scoring,
Speaker 5: gambling on fourth downs, and then.
Speaker 2: They go ahead.
Speaker 5: Tampa Bay's coming back. They're gonna take the lead. It
Speaker 5: looked like they got second and one at the twelve
Speaker 5: yard line and they get a no gain third and
Speaker 5: one at the twelve.
Speaker 2: Did they lose?
Speaker 5: I think, oh no, no, this is the one they
Speaker 5: lost cartage because it ended up third and one and
Speaker 5: the center, Graham Barton, screws up the snap count he
Speaker 5: did everybody nobody moved except he snapped the ball.
Speaker 2: He tried to give the ball to the running back.
Speaker 2: Running back really didn't want the ball. Yeah, the defensive
Speaker 2: line was all on the other side. They moved in
Speaker 2: the backfield.
Speaker 5: There in the backfield, nobody in Tampa Bay moves and
Speaker 5: they lose two yards and got to kick a field
Speaker 5: goal to tie again. Now Washington had nothing to do
Speaker 5: with either one of those.
Speaker 2: That's what Washington does. It's something about that team and order,
Speaker 2: and it has of course a lot to do with
Speaker 2: this rookie quarterback.
Speaker 5: Now he made plays to capitalize on some of those mistakes,
Speaker 5: but they had to be handed these two mistakes to
Speaker 5: get in position to kick the winning field goal that
Speaker 5: goes off the upright and bounces in. Because when you
Speaker 5: hear that thing thunk, whatever you want.
Speaker 2: That's ago one. That's a good one. It's a thunk.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, he missed it.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: I think it's a thunk if you miss it, right,
Speaker 4: But if you make it, it's a team the How
Speaker 4: about that? That's it's a little bit more upbeat, a
Speaker 4: little bit more positive. It bounced in and you don't
Speaker 4: really see that every time it hits the goalpost. You
Speaker 4: usually get the thunk going. It's going to come back
Speaker 4: onto the field, right. This went through the upright.
Speaker 3: So there's something about them.
Speaker 4: And you know, it has a lot to do with
Speaker 4: the quarterback, of course, and dan Quinn. You know, I
Speaker 4: like the way the defense plays. His defense still just
Speaker 4: like it was when it was here in Dallas. And
Speaker 4: what I like about it is it's an opportunistic defense,
Speaker 4: just like we were accustomed to for the last three
Speaker 4: two years or so under dan Quinn. You saw where
Speaker 4: guys are there opportunistic defense because their eyes are always
Speaker 4: where the ball is. That if you're in the secondary,
Speaker 4: their secondary is always looking back at the quarterback looking
Speaker 4: for the ball, just like when they were here looking
Speaker 4: for the ball in the air somewhere. We're not necessarily
Speaker 4: worried about the running back or the wide receiver. We're
Speaker 4: worried about where is that ball going to be because
Speaker 4: we want the ball. It's kind of like the thermostives were.
Speaker 4: They they're they're accustomed to looking back in the backfield
Speaker 4: waiting for that quarterback to put that ball in the
Speaker 4: air and give us a chance to make it on defense.
Speaker 5: All right, Our investigative reporter Bill Jones has turned.
Speaker 3: And did you hear their reports out there that McCarthy's out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what That's what I can say right now, according
Speaker 3: to work under that assumption.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah, we've always I know you have.
Speaker 3: And uh I'm awaiting a confirmation, confirmation, confirmation.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 5: See double confirmation gets double checks, not just the first.
Speaker 2: A measure measure twice cut once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. So what are y'all thinking?
Speaker 5: Well, we we were, we were biting some time on
Speaker 5: how charmed existence the commanders have okay, uh yeah, and
Speaker 5: we were waiting to play.
Speaker 2: They play in Baltimore. No wash Mail. I was trying
Speaker 2: to trying to get the chill charm. I was trying
Speaker 2: to get the chilling thing off, and it didn't work.
Speaker 2: Now it went right past quick.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: No, they're going to play in Detroit. So I am
Speaker 5: warning the Lions right now.
Speaker 2: Beware. Don't let them be close in the fourth court. No,
Speaker 2: don't let it.
Speaker 5: Be close, because something will land in their lap.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have season long.
Speaker 4: You know what I had to give above too, kind
Speaker 4: of like Bill, You've always got this ancillary information. I
Speaker 4: like the fact that Doug Williams is really enjoying watching
Speaker 4: this young black quarterback do well in the Washington area
Speaker 4: just as much as he did. And yesterday was even
Speaker 4: more special because he played against the team that actually
Speaker 4: drafted him out of Gramling State University in the first round.
Speaker 2: Bay So that was very cool on his part.
Speaker 4: I texted him this morning and said, you must have
Speaker 4: felt pretty weird about that.
Speaker 2: He said, it was a great day. He really said,
Speaker 2: it was a great day.
Speaker 5: So, by the way, since you brought up the black
Speaker 5: quarterback and you gaze gave me hell for the black
Speaker 5: running back.
Speaker 4: Right, hey, your boy, at the end of your boy,
Speaker 4: I meant to tell you about at your white running
Speaker 4: back came through.
Speaker 5: Okay, right there at the end of training camp, Oxnard, California.
Speaker 2: I am darker than he is. And you want to
Speaker 2: know number two? What's number two? His mother is a
Speaker 2: beautiful blonde. Okay, so he's half.
Speaker 10: Why don't Yes, it does, I said one drop, just
Speaker 10: the way it is about Marcus Freeman.
Speaker 3: Who Marcus Freeman, the Notre Dame coach. Oh yeah, he's black,
Speaker 3: yeah and Asian.
Speaker 2: Yes see no, no, no, see that he's black.
Speaker 4: When he if something happens to him and he gets
Speaker 4: stopped and they gave a little confrontation, he's going to
Speaker 4: be the black.
Speaker 2: I get stocked.
Speaker 5: I'm a black driver.
Speaker 2: I'm not darker than it doesn't have anything. It's it's
Speaker 2: the blood. The blood. It's only half. It's the blood,
Speaker 2: but only half. Okay, I like next time I get
Speaker 2: in trouble, Hey man, I'm irish. No, that don't work.
Speaker 2: Like I was only half wrong.
Speaker 3: Okay, give you that.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to make sure you challenge flag.
Speaker 2: You lost that challenge. No, only to you guys.
Speaker 4: Look, my brother Greg is like, there will be a
Speaker 4: new sheriff in town. Mike McCarthy is out. He's always
Speaker 4: been that guy. He hates the Cowboys. I'm not listening
Speaker 4: to him, my baby brother.
Speaker 2: So you got to sheriff, you want to hire Mike Tomlin,
Speaker 2: Well he's still got a job. He's no, he can't.
Speaker 2: He can't win a playoff game, you know, he can't.
Speaker 3: I'm amused by the talk about how it's Mike Commlin's
Speaker 3: fault in Pittsburgh, you know, right, yeah, it's DoD gm
Speaker 3: have anything to do with it there. It's all Mark Comers,
Speaker 3: by the way.
Speaker 2: He just what they give him.
Speaker 3: He's going up He's going up against Lamar Jackson, you know,
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, you know, in his own division. I mean,
Speaker 3: and if you look at the Steelers schedule this year,
Speaker 3: it was so predictable that they were going to be
Speaker 3: about seven and two the first nine games, and then
Speaker 3: they were going to struggle the last half of the season.
Speaker 3: That was as easy to predict a season as any
Speaker 3: team in the league, just based on who they played
Speaker 3: the first half of the year versus the second half
Speaker 3: of the year. Not to mention They had a three
Speaker 3: game stretch over Christmas where they played three games in
Speaker 3: eleven days, all against top teams.
Speaker 5: I'm watching and I'm going, Okay, these sorry Cowboys beat
Speaker 5: that team. They're in the playoffs. I'm watching the game
Speaker 5: last night. They beat both of those teams, and one
Speaker 5: of them's going in something and the other one is done.
Speaker 2: I agree with it. I was thinking that last night.
Speaker 5: I was going to bring that up and and and
Speaker 5: guess what happened to Tampa Bay? They lost their cornerbacks.
Speaker 5: How does that?
Speaker 2: How does that fall in your lap? In your lap?
Speaker 5: They couldn't cover Terry McLaurin if life depended on it.
Speaker 4: And it seems as if Washington gets those breaks and
Speaker 4: they take advantage of those breaks. It seems like every
Speaker 4: game it all comes into fruition in the fourth quarter. Right,
Speaker 4: that kind of information right there, that that led to
Speaker 4: them winning that game, because you it was it was
Speaker 4: chaos in that secondary at the end of that game.
Speaker 2: How about the how about the.
Speaker 5: Was it the fourth down conversion there at the end
Speaker 5: they had to whatever they needed to pick up? Uh,
Speaker 5: the defensive tackles got to tackle for the loss.
Speaker 2: At all he does is grabbed the towel.
Speaker 3: He grabbed the towel.
Speaker 2: That's how quick this kid is.
Speaker 4: Man, he thought he had it and then it just
Speaker 4: took that little bit of stiff on right and it
Speaker 4: allowed him to turn the corner.
Speaker 2: And boy, when that play was over, did you see him?
Speaker 2: He was so upset? Oh yeah he was. I think
Speaker 2: he did. He lay down. I think he went to
Speaker 2: his knees. I mean that was an injury.
Speaker 1: That was just.
Speaker 2: Frustration, absolutely amazing.
Speaker 4: I loved I loved watching the game, but I hated
Speaker 4: the fact that we beat both of those teams.
Speaker 2: I mean we beat them.
Speaker 4: We beat one of them in Washington, and we beat
Speaker 4: Tampa when they were on the road. Right came in
Speaker 4: here and we stopped all of that. So you know,
Speaker 4: that's the frustrating part.
Speaker 2: There's no rhyme or reason. Nope.
Speaker 5: And and I was and continue to watch those games
Speaker 5: and the teams that were beating.
Speaker 2: I don't know about what Mayfield did.
Speaker 5: But Saturday quarterback stunk Herbert four interceptions. Now, one of
Speaker 5: them was a tip ball off his own guy's hands,
Speaker 5: but the other quarterbacks, Jordan loved kidding me interceptions.
Speaker 2: One of them he just threw right too.
Speaker 5: Now, these were all the quarterbacks I've seen written about
Speaker 5: that they're so far ahead of Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2: Right, and they they were picking Green Bay to make
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the offseason, and they talked about how Jordan
Speaker 4: Love was just going to be so amazing looking forward
Speaker 4: to catapulting from what he did against the Cowboys in
Speaker 4: the playoffs last year. That's all they talked about, is
Speaker 4: how he whipped the Cowboys and that's going to be
Speaker 4: the springboard to them going to the Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 4: There were those that thought that that was going to happen.
Speaker 4: Smart people too, They said they were smart. They said
Speaker 4: they were They told us they were smart.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: I was trying to so that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Chargers that just stunk it up, and Buffalo
Speaker 5: didn't exactly get off to wonderful start, and they won.
Speaker 2: They hung in there.
Speaker 4: But really when you look at how Buffalo won, you
Speaker 4: look at how Philadelphia won, that's really how you play
Speaker 4: playoff football. You know, it'd be nice to come out
Speaker 4: there and just be like we were against Minnesota right
Speaker 4: back in the regular season game, or the way we
Speaker 4: were going against Tampa when we whipped them in the
Speaker 4: first round that time. I think that was when Brady
Speaker 4: was leading them. You know those are that's unrealistic playoff football.
Speaker 2: This is really everybody's still mad about that.
Speaker 4: But when you look at games like yesterday, that's how
Speaker 4: playoffs should be.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't come in everything working. You should have to
Speaker 2: grind for it.
Speaker 4: That's why your team should be already preparing for the
Speaker 4: grind throughout the entire season.
Speaker 2: That's why you like having a running back. That's why
Speaker 2: you like having a good quarterback.
Speaker 4: Offensive line, defense, because that's the grind that you want
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. Defensive line playing the way they're playing,
Speaker 4: running back getting off in there, finding the holes, getting
Speaker 4: the hard yards, and quarterback's been a little bit inconsistent.
Speaker 4: But then when by the time the game is done,
Speaker 4: the defense has settled everything down and the quarterback comes
Speaker 4: out spelling. Michael Rose, I'll be back again, very good,
Speaker 4: because I was going to point out nice Avenue Bell even.
Speaker 5: After the first what four or five plays, Yeah, Bo
Speaker 5: Knicks looked like a rookie quarterback. Yes he did, right,
Speaker 5: got it, got at one pass and then nothing.
Speaker 4: And then that If you're not ready, that's the way
Speaker 4: the playoffs are supposed to treat you right, if you're
Speaker 4: not ready. These teams come in and they did a
Speaker 4: good job coming in, but your weaknesses are gonna show.
Speaker 2: It's just the way it is.
Speaker 4: Your weaknesses are gonna come, They're gonna come out, and
Speaker 4: who has the fewest weaknesses, I think, is how the was.
Speaker 5: It's amazing how it seems like during the regular season
Speaker 5: you can kind of disguise your weakness and then when
Speaker 5: you get to play the best teams that made it
Speaker 5: in the playoffs, your weaknesses get exposed.
Speaker 4: It's the way the Cowboys were at the end of
Speaker 4: the season, right Our weaknesses became exposed because we really
Speaker 4: didn't we once showed up personalel wise at all.
Speaker 2: We were playing well. They say spit in glue.
Speaker 4: That's how we were putting things together out there and
Speaker 4: doing a damn good job of it. But because we
Speaker 4: were so behind in regards to our talent, our playoffs
Speaker 4: started before the end of the season. At the end
Speaker 4: of the season was approaching, and that's when we started
Speaker 4: playing like a team that was in the playoffs that
Speaker 4: did not deserve to be there. That's why we got
Speaker 4: blown out by Philadelphia the second time as well, when
Speaker 4: we were really playing well before that, all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: it just all starts to come down on you and
Speaker 4: you can't hide it anymore.
Speaker 5: And as I think I pointed out last week, and
Speaker 5: if I didn't, then I waited too long. But all
Speaker 5: fourteen teams in the playoffs had their quarterbacks and running
Speaker 5: backs right and the quarterbacks. The only team that went
Speaker 5: into the playoffs that their starting quarterback didn't play at
Speaker 5: least fifteen games was Pittsburgh and that was because Russell
Speaker 5: Wilson was hurt at the beginning of the season and
Speaker 5: he started. He nearly played one hundred percent of the
Speaker 5: snaps the last eleven games when they kind of sprinted
Speaker 5: into the playoffs.
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't say sprinted, well.
Speaker 5: Drove, but but you got to have your quarterback. There
Speaker 5: was no one in there playing with a backup quarterback.
Speaker 5: And that's just and or a quarterback who missed a
Speaker 5: bunch of snaps during the season. Jalen Hurts ended up
Speaker 5: fifteen starts, right, and then he missed two because of
Speaker 5: the concussion. The rest of those guys like Kansas City,
Speaker 5: Mahomes and Stafford, yes, they missed the last game of
Speaker 5: the year because they had nothing to play for of course,
Speaker 5: so they sat him. So having a quarterback really really matters.
Speaker 5: And I went back and looked. And we may excuse
Speaker 5: me if we talked about it last Monday, but from
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety seven on, every season since that the Cowboys
Speaker 5: had a losing record, they didn't have their starting quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that.
Speaker 5: Unbelievable. And so my bottom line is quarterbacks matter that less.
Speaker 5: You know, that's why they make all the money.
Speaker 4: No, but also that's why I had to give my
Speaker 4: boy Berline some love right when I saw him at
Speaker 4: the Bill Bates event, right, And I had never really
Speaker 4: talked to Steve, but I have always admired the way
Speaker 4: he helped the Cowboy. I wasn't even the Cowboy fan
Speaker 4: at the time because they had just gotten rid of
Speaker 4: me and I was going to New York and all
Speaker 4: of that and just retired. But watching him take over
Speaker 4: the way he did for a hell of a starting quarterback,
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame quarterback, and he came in and they
Speaker 4: did not lose a beat.
Speaker 5: Or a game until the second round on Moto Man.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just that's something that you know is special.
Speaker 4: And I let him know, I say, hey, man, I
Speaker 4: always want to tell you I liked your game, you know,
Speaker 4: And he's like, he didn't know what I was coming from.
Speaker 4: It's just some opportunity to tell you because I've never
Speaker 4: really met you. But man, what you did because we
Speaker 4: talk about it on the podcast all the time, and
Speaker 4: I reminded him of how we bring up the old
Speaker 4: old school days. And man, he was extremely important to
Speaker 4: the Cowboys culture. A guy that was just here, not
Speaker 4: long at all, but I thought he made a big difference.
Speaker 4: Even though they lost in that second round, it helped
Speaker 4: the Cowboys continue their ascension because even though they they
Speaker 4: could have gone to the Super Bowl that year, at
Speaker 4: least to the championship game, that season could have been
Speaker 4: a throwaway season.
Speaker 2: Well think about it.
Speaker 5: So you got talking about nineteen ninety one and they
Speaker 5: were six and five and he had to come in
Speaker 5: in the third quarter Troy Aikman sprained his knee and
Speaker 5: he led him to win over Washington at Washington, which
Speaker 5: would have that that game spoiled their undefeated season because
Speaker 5: they lost the last one when they didn't play. They
Speaker 5: finished fourteen and two, but the Cowboys beat him twenty
Speaker 5: four to twenty one, and they went on to win.
Speaker 5: So they got to seven and five and they won
Speaker 5: the last four straight.
Speaker 2: With Berlin as quarterback.
Speaker 5: And I remember when they went to Philadelphia with an
Speaker 5: opportunity if they beat the Eagles at Philadelphia, they were
Speaker 5: going to clinch a wild card, and Jimmy Johnson basically
Speaker 5: told Steve Burline, I don't care if you finished the
Speaker 5: first half three for seventeen, do not take a snap
Speaker 5: a sack, and do not turn the ball over it.
Speaker 5: And I think he was like four of twelve or
Speaker 5: something like that. But they ended up winning that game
Speaker 5: with Berline at quarterback. Okay, investigative reporter, any.
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Speaker 3: Edwarder reports Mike McCarthy has informed his coaching staff that
Speaker 3: he will not be returning Cowboys head coaches his contract expires.
Speaker 3: My ed sources indicate there was conflicting dialogue between McCarthy
Speaker 3: and Jerry Jones and no contract was ever offered. Bears
Speaker 3: have confirmed interest in McCarthy and is expected the Saints
Speaker 3: will as well. And of course McCarthy worked for the
Speaker 3: Saints and worked with GM Mickey Loomis before. It was
Speaker 3: his first offensive ordinator going back there two thousands or so. Uh,
Speaker 3: and Loomis has been with the Saints ever since. So anyway,
Speaker 3: that's where that stands right now. And uh, now we
Speaker 3: move on to see who the next coach of the
Speaker 3: Cowboys will be.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Thoughts I want to head coach, suggestions I want to
Speaker 5: head coach, You want to head coach.
Speaker 2: We talked about that last week. Head coaches versus coordinator. Yes,
Speaker 2: elevated coach. You want to you want the analytics guy,
Speaker 2: you want a gut punch guy.
Speaker 3: I want a gut punch You want an offensive play
Speaker 3: caller guy? Or you're talking to when you say a
Speaker 3: head coach, I'll walk around head.
Speaker 5: Coach if that's if that's available.
Speaker 2: Yes, and if not, many of those are left unless that.
Speaker 3: A former head coach, UH with an expiring kind track
Speaker 3: on the staff. Now, who's the defensive coordinator this year?
Speaker 3: And Mike Zimmer that's right?
Speaker 5: Or if I have to dip into college, okay there,
Speaker 5: I just want somebody that has stood before. Seventy guys
Speaker 5: in the team meeting room.
Speaker 2: Tell you what? That not half the easy choice.
Speaker 4: If your Jerry would be Zimmer, right, it would Yes,
Speaker 4: that would be the easy, safe choice.
Speaker 3: Keep your defense in place then, and then you got to.
Speaker 5: Find an offensive coordinator because you're not just moving on
Speaker 5: from the head coach, you're moving on from the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: So coordinators to me, they could be you know, gut guys,
Speaker 4: or they could be analytic guys. But if I'm going
Speaker 4: to have a true head coach like Zimmer, then I
Speaker 4: wouldn't mind one of those analytic guys coming around, and
Speaker 4: they could mix it up and have the best.
Speaker 2: Of both world.
Speaker 3: You can throw names out there. In fact, there are
Speaker 3: two who are offensive play callers in the NFC East
Speaker 3: who are now moving on to the divisional round of
Speaker 3: the playoffs, and that would be one with past experience
Speaker 3: on this coaching staff and as a player here Kellen Moore,
Speaker 3: and there would be Cliff Kingsbury and Washington as well
Speaker 3: who has passed NFL head coaching experience.
Speaker 4: This is Cliff Kingsbury's most successful road that he's traveled
Speaker 4: so far. Because as a head coach, they always seem.
Speaker 3: To start fast, finished man, and fade fast.
Speaker 4: Saved fast. This particular time, they have done the opposite.
Speaker 4: Every fourth quarter. They're making all the right moves and
Speaker 4: all the right plays, so all the way till the
Speaker 4: end of the season was landed them in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: It's amazing when one person reports something, then everybody else
Speaker 5: has something.
Speaker 3: NFL Network mm hmmm, we were first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we confirmed it.
Speaker 5: I want a leader of men, and I'll tell you
Speaker 5: who would interest me as a coordinator to fit that
Speaker 5: description would be Aaron Glenn. He's been here, he has
Speaker 5: some leadership qualities in his personality.
Speaker 2: He's tough and no nonsense. But yeah, he's tough. That's
Speaker 2: what I mean. He's tough.
Speaker 5: He was one of the better cowboy free agent signings
Speaker 5: UH in their history, and he understands the game, not
Speaker 5: just defense, and he understands people. He's going to get
Speaker 5: a job. I'm not saying that's what's going to happen here.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying somebody with that type of personality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, leading candidate in New Orleans, I would imagine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Campbell knows he's losing it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator who does not have
Speaker 3: head coaching experience too, And.
Speaker 5: I don't know anything about his personality. I know that
Speaker 5: he devises a pretty good offense.
Speaker 2: But you got to be a leader. You know what
Speaker 2: I remember most about Aaron Glenn He would do this.
Speaker 5: His his locker was over there at Valley ranch By
Speaker 5: near where Darren Woodson's was, on that side of the building,
Speaker 5: and he'd sit there and talk to the big media.
Speaker 5: All the cameras were there, and then I would hang back,
Speaker 5: and he looked at me and go, Okay, what do
Speaker 5: you want because he knew I was gonna ask one
Speaker 5: more question?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 11: Speaking of Aaron Glenn last week, he was real busy.
Speaker 11: You want to hear his schedule last week?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 9: Go.
Speaker 11: So, Thursday he had an interview with the for the
Speaker 11: New York Jets job. Friday in the am he had
Speaker 11: he did the Saints interview. Friday in the PM, he
Speaker 11: did the Vegas Raiders interview, Saturday morning he did the
Speaker 11: Jacksonville Jaguars interview, and Saturday afternoon he did the Bears interview.
Speaker 11: He was also asked to interview with the Patriots, and
Speaker 11: he rejected that one.
Speaker 2: So he must have known Vrabel was getting, right, he
Speaker 2: didn't want to compete against that.
Speaker 11: Well, I mean that was that was I mean, he
Speaker 11: got that last week early, so I'm assuming that he
Speaker 11: probably rejected that one because of what happened to the
Speaker 11: last guy.
Speaker 5: So Tella Sero added to his report saying they couldn't
Speaker 5: agree on length of contract.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we said that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well so that and that was very predictable, right, because,
Speaker 3: I mean, when you look at it, especially since McCarthy
Speaker 3: was about to become a coaching free agent, and usually
Speaker 3: a first time head coach gets a five year deal, right,
Speaker 3: we've already gone through this even after three straight twelve
Speaker 3: win seasons. I'm not saying this was true, but there
Speaker 3: was speculation that he could be let go after a
Speaker 3: third straight twelve win season and an early playoff exit
Speaker 3: a year ago, but he had one year left. Well,
Speaker 3: now you're down to no year's left, and are you
Speaker 3: going to give a five year contract to someone who
Speaker 3: speculation has was on the hot seat the last couple
Speaker 3: of years. Well, it was very doubtful.
Speaker 5: I was thinking at best he was going to get
Speaker 5: a two year extension because you and if.
Speaker 3: You compare that with the five five or that the
Speaker 3: Bears or the Saints or somebody else might offer him.
Speaker 3: And I think that's why when Jerry was talking with
Speaker 3: the media for a good forty minutes or so after
Speaker 3: the game a week ago, he started talking about incentives
Speaker 3: and that sort of thing, and fans would love to
Speaker 3: see to see a contract that is incentive based, you know,
Speaker 3: and that's probably the best way to do it. It's okay,
Speaker 3: you make the playoffs, you get your next year, you
Speaker 3: get X amount of money, an increase whatever, uh, you
Speaker 3: might go to the super Bowl, you get and so
Speaker 3: you're basically betting on yourself, you know.
Speaker 5: And think about this, you mentioned length of contract. If
Speaker 5: you only get one or two years, your assistants are
Speaker 5: going to go follow a new head coach that just
Speaker 5: got five right. It happened last year the coaches that
Speaker 5: left here Joe Joe, he goes well, Dan five years
Speaker 5: so I'm going there instead of staying here for one year.
Speaker 5: Aiden Derby went to Seattle. He had a chance to
Speaker 5: be the defensive coordinator, which that that's a no given.
Speaker 5: But again, it's going somewhere where the new coach just
Speaker 5: got hired. He's got five years. I stay here, it's
Speaker 5: only one year. There was another guy on the assistant
Speaker 5: that went with Quinn.
Speaker 3: I mentioned Joe Whitt Jr.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was somebody else other than him.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 5: And so yeah, that factors in two because if you're
Speaker 5: a head coach and your entire staff is up, he's
Speaker 5: going to be hired to put press to put together
Speaker 5: the staff you had, if that's what you wanted to do. Now,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of assistant coaches out there. Uh, since
Speaker 5: there's what five five openings?
Speaker 2: Now is that what you said, Chris?
Speaker 3: Now there's six. Now there's the Cowboys, but there's six
Speaker 3: was hired and right, we got it down to five.
Speaker 2: Now we're back up to so you would have.
Speaker 5: Had five staffs probably to pick over.
Speaker 2: Do you think Jerry knew this was going to happen.
Speaker 3: I think he knew possibility existed, the possibility.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, he if he was going to roll
Speaker 2: the dice. I think he thought he had it in
Speaker 2: the bag that he wouldn't leave, that he wouldn't leave. No,
Speaker 2: I don't believe that. You don't believe that.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: I think I think he's not surprised it ended like this.
Speaker 4: Well, he should have someone else in his back pocket,
Speaker 4: a couple of people, because things are moving real fast.
Speaker 3: Well, and the other thing about it is the way
Speaker 3: the you don't want to interview, well by the way
Speaker 3: the interview process happens in the NFL is like that's
Speaker 3: why Aaron Glenn was and Ben Johnson had so many
Speaker 3: interviews last week. That was the window to interview assistants
Speaker 3: on teams that had a first round by and No,
Speaker 3: because he was talking with Mark McCarthy last But I
Speaker 3: don't think he looks at it that there's any great
Speaker 3: time frame.
Speaker 2: It's not like those kids.
Speaker 3: It's not like those guys are going to get hired
Speaker 3: by some other team before their season ends.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: They just those were zoom interviews, their introductory that's why
Speaker 3: Chicago's doing twenty five interviews or what ever. They're all zooms.
Speaker 3: It's not like they're now. Some of them came maybe
Speaker 3: on campus that had their season over. I think Brabel
Speaker 3: may have come there, but most of them are like
Speaker 3: two or three hour zoom interviews where you get to
Speaker 3: know what the guy, what makes the guy tick, and
Speaker 3: whether it would be a fit or not, and whether
Speaker 3: you want to put him on your short list once
Speaker 3: their season ends. So it's not like the Cowboys are
Speaker 3: behind as far as any of those guys if they
Speaker 3: want to hire them, and they've got a working knowledge
Speaker 3: of Kellen Moore obviously, if they if that was a
Speaker 3: guy that interested them. I think the intriguing uh McCarthy.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jerry has seen what's happened with Dan Campbell
Speaker 3: and Detroit Patriots. I think the reason that Gerrod Mayo
Speaker 3: was let go after one year was they decided that
Speaker 3: let's bring Mike Brabel, right, it was obvious that there
Speaker 3: was going to be there. Yes, and and I think
Speaker 3: the end.
Speaker 2: Well, Bob Kraft came and apologize.
Speaker 3: There. Here's what I think the intriguing guy in this,
Speaker 3: and it may shock people because he's been coaching high
Speaker 3: school football. I know, I don't know where you were going,
Speaker 3: but the intriguing guy in this is Jason Witten, and
Speaker 3: I know how Jerry feels about Jason Witten, and with
Speaker 3: sixteen seventeen years experience in the NFL, he wasn't just
Speaker 3: a player in the NFL as far as being in
Speaker 3: front of a room talking to a team. I mean,
Speaker 3: Jason Garrett would rave about that sort of stuff. Now,
Speaker 3: he's been coaching at the coaching his kids at the
Speaker 3: high school level the last three or four years, and
Speaker 3: a couple of state championships the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: But Witten is a guy that would be It would
Speaker 3: shock the world because it would shock it would shock
Speaker 3: the world the hell out of me. But I think
Speaker 3: it's an interesting candidate.
Speaker 5: And when he finished and all this talk came up
Speaker 5: about him potentially being a head coach at some point,
Speaker 5: and I remember somebody inside this organization, I said, well,
Speaker 5: the tough thing he would have if he jumped right
Speaker 5: into the NFL is putting together a staff. And a
Speaker 5: person looked at me and goes, you would be surprised
Speaker 5: that he knows a lot of people that he could
Speaker 5: put a staff together. And it's somebody I trust. And
Speaker 5: so with that opinion, yes, not that he was sitting
Speaker 5: there thinking.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm going to hire this obviously, he'd be a
Speaker 3: walk around head coach. He hires offensive coordinator, hires defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: It might be the defensive coordinator that was here, that's
Speaker 3: r this year in Mike Zimmer. Then you've got a
Speaker 3: veteran former head coach who helps him along to and
Speaker 3: then you have a senior assistant as well. Anyway, and
Speaker 3: then you have to find a offensive coordinator. But what
Speaker 3: you're doing, if you do that, you're and I guarantee
Speaker 3: you Jerry has thought of him in terms of being
Speaker 3: a head coach at some point. The only different the
Speaker 3: biggest difference obviously between him and a Dan Campbell, as
Speaker 3: Dan Campbell was an assistant coach and actually was an
Speaker 3: interim head coach with the Dolphins going back twenty fifteen
Speaker 3: or so, I think when Sperano may had been let
Speaker 3: go whatever, and then he was under Sean Payton and
Speaker 3: so he's been mentored along. But I think Jerry could
Speaker 3: count his sixteen seventeen years playing in the NFL as
Speaker 3: experienced becoming a coach.
Speaker 5: In the NFL, and he can do like Dan Campbell
Speaker 5: did and just hire former players to coach for which
Speaker 5: Campbell did initially, right.
Speaker 3: Right, right, So anyway, just a name to keep an
Speaker 3: eye on.
Speaker 2: Isure is. I would be extremely surprised if this happened.
Speaker 2: Here's your thunk. There it goes.
Speaker 3: It's Fadal distractable player. Mickey Spagnola is now describing weird
Speaker 3: winning field goal by zing Gonzalez.
Speaker 2: Get to hear me talk about it. I called it
Speaker 2: a thunk, saying good sound.
Speaker 3: That's their fourth kicker.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, that's right.
Speaker 5: Uh, he survived by the skin of his chin.
Speaker 3: All right, What else, So let's say a little something
Speaker 3: about Mike McCarthy in our last four minutes his time here.
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 5: Well, when you walked out, But it was something you
Speaker 5: had brought up, and I went and did my research
Speaker 5: on it. About teams in the playoffs having their quarterbacks. Uh.
Speaker 5: And I pointed out ever since that, since nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 5: when the Cowboys went what seven in nine with Troy
Speaker 5: Aikman starting all sixteen games, all the rest of the
Speaker 5: losing seasons involved quarterback injuries or getting benched, every one
Speaker 5: of them. And so Mike McCarthy has three of five
Speaker 5: winning seasons here in the two he didn't he lost
Speaker 5: Troy Aikman. I mean, Dak Prescott for the season. So
Speaker 5: when you look back at his history here, I guess
Speaker 5: it would be remembered as two out of three division titles,
Speaker 5: three playoff appearances, and the fact that he didn't win
Speaker 5: enough playoff game.
Speaker 4: No, that's gonna be the first narrative, right, Yeah, the
Speaker 4: lack of playoff games. That's just the way it is
Speaker 4: when you're coaching the Cowboys. I can see McCarthy coming
Speaker 4: into that negotiation coming from a place of strength, just
Speaker 4: like you just pointed out divisional winner, twelve wins three
Speaker 4: years in a row, three years.
Speaker 2: And you know something like that just doesn't happen around here.
Speaker 4: The number one narrative, though, will definitely be that he
Speaker 4: couldn't win playoff games. He's going he went into that negotiation.
Speaker 4: I'm sure he's went in there thinking, you know, this
Speaker 4: is what I'm this is what I'm going to tout.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm going to talk to you about how
Speaker 4: many other coaches have you had that have done something
Speaker 4: like what I've done here in the last four years.
Speaker 2: So, as far as I'm concerned, I understand why he
Speaker 2: came in that way.
Speaker 4: I'm sure Jerry was not surprised that he did come
Speaker 4: in that way. But I'm also surprised that if Jerry
Speaker 4: wants to go through this process based on what happened
Speaker 4: is past offseason and everything just kind of got pushed
Speaker 4: into the last minute, I would really feel comfortable going
Speaker 4: into this offseason with a little bit more security.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go into too deep into the
Speaker 2: off season. I know what you was saying.
Speaker 4: I understand that, but I don't want to go too
Speaker 4: deep into the off season without having my team ready
Speaker 4: coach wise for next year.
Speaker 3: Think about what Jerry has done in the past when
Speaker 3: he's made coaching changes. Now the rules have changed where
Speaker 3: you've got to enter review a number of candidates. Now
Speaker 3: you can't do what Jerry did when he and Jimmy
Speaker 3: parted ways and thirty years ago, twenty four hours later,
Speaker 3: twenty four hours off his couch in Norman, Oklahoma, here
Speaker 3: comes Barry Switzer to the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: But hold that thought until McCarthy. These last three years
Speaker 5: are going to the playoffs. Switzerland would have been the
Speaker 5: last Cowboys head coach to go to the playoffs three
Speaker 5: years in a row, and before that, Jimmy three years
Speaker 5: and right before that. You have to go back to
Speaker 5: Landry's twenty consecutive winning seasons. And guess what I pointed
Speaker 5: out about losing. Look at what happened to Tom eighty six,
Speaker 5: lost his quarterback eighty seven the strike and then they
Speaker 5: facilitated between vacillin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could just say quarterbacks and the messed up everything.
Speaker 3: Eighty eight.
Speaker 2: That Danny White was done and Lure wasn't ready.
Speaker 3: So but if you look back at his coach searches,
Speaker 3: now the McCarthy one, it was spreading in net. But
Speaker 3: he pretty quickly came upon McCarthy as the guy. I
Speaker 3: think he had an idea. Yeah, prior to that, he
Speaker 3: knew Jason Garrett was going to be the guy. In fact,
Speaker 3: he was promoted in the middle of the season. He
Speaker 3: did a complete search with Wade Phillips where there was
Speaker 3: a parade of candidates that came into Valley Ranch.
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of that you say, it's
Speaker 5: different and now, a lot of that had to do
Speaker 5: with he was picking everybody's brain and.
Speaker 3: That was a situation. But that was also a situation
Speaker 3: from this standpoint with Parcels was at the end of
Speaker 3: his four years. He could he could have stayed, and
Speaker 3: he decided it was too much.
Speaker 5: Right, that lost in Seattle, That's right, and so.
Speaker 3: So he didn't have someone that was he had really did.
Speaker 3: He didn't have someone in his pocket at that point
Speaker 3: when he hired weight Okay, part when Campo was let go,
Speaker 3: Parcells was the guy.
Speaker 2: He had him for the season, even right right they.
Speaker 3: Were interviewing the Campo from chan Gaily to Campo chan Gaily.
Speaker 3: How quickly was it that he went with Campo?
Speaker 5: I want to say it happened during the super.
Speaker 3: Bowl, okay, and then the transition from Switzer to Gaileen
Speaker 3: took a while because there's been a mix. He thought
Speaker 3: whether he's got a hand picked successor.
Speaker 2: Or not any bad I think John Gruden would be
Speaker 2: a good choice.
Speaker 3: Gruden is another one.
Speaker 5: That fits that mold of being a head and coach
Speaker 5: by the way, hasn't.
Speaker 3: Coached, by the way. Woulden played for Gruden in Vegas?
Speaker 2: Interesting? Thank you? Ever?
Speaker 3: Said?
Speaker 2: Ever said?
Speaker 3: Did you play for Nick Saban? I? Did?
Speaker 2: He was? Was he the coach?
Speaker 3: The answer to that? What you know about Nick Saban?
Speaker 3: Could Nick Saban?
Speaker 2: I said?
Speaker 4: I said Nick Saban about a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, if that was going to put
Speaker 4: my choice in that not my choice, but who I
Speaker 4: think would fit here, someone that could with Jerry Jones.
Speaker 2: You know, Nick is the kind of guy.
Speaker 4: First of all, he's gonna be short with the media,
Speaker 4: so he's not gonna whatever you guys do with with Jerry,
Speaker 4: He's not going to give a damn. He's gonna be
Speaker 4: stead you know, forward and straightforward and just you know,
Speaker 4: thinking about winning games. And he's very stubborn in regards
Speaker 4: to how he does his business. But I also think
Speaker 4: he's one of those guys just like Belichick was, and
Speaker 4: just like he treated Belichick when he was under built.
Speaker 4: Whatever my boss says, I'm going to adhere to it.
Speaker 4: And that's what Jerry wants. A guy that thinks just
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 5: And as we said, don't think that commercial on TV
Speaker 5: that Saban's acting, the one about Yeah.
Speaker 4: He said, you know that barbecue pit outside, it's a
Speaker 4: nice barbecue pitch.
Speaker 2: You don't touch it, right, right, He's not acting.
Speaker 3: Yahoo's here.
Speaker 4: This ain't We're not out here to have fun. That's him,
Speaker 4: and I promise you guys he he would fit in here.
Speaker 4: Even with Jerry being chirping over his shoulder. I don't
Speaker 4: think it would bother him one bit?
Speaker 2: How much attention would that bring?
Speaker 3: It'd be something did you happen to see? And we
Speaker 3: got to wrap up here did you happen to see?
Speaker 3: The Athletic had a poll of coaches I think in
Speaker 3: the NFL, which one of the open positions would be
Speaker 3: or potentially open positions? So the Cowboys were included. Would
Speaker 3: be the most desirable head coaching job available out there
Speaker 3: this year? Here? Yeah, and Cowboys were number one on
Speaker 3: the list.
Speaker 5: Because think about one though. We'll go where we started
Speaker 5: this quarterbacks. Yeah, Usually those teams that don't have a
Speaker 5: head coach now, they didn't have a proven quarterback, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: and that's why they all job, uh, you know, jockeying
Speaker 5: for a position in the draft.
Speaker 3: So we didn't even Chicago does have Caleb Williams. They
Speaker 3: do approven number one overall.
Speaker 5: He got somebody to work with, right, Maybe New England
Speaker 5: has somebody to work with.
Speaker 2: Hey, Chris, are you hungry? Yeah?
Speaker 5: All right, are you buying or something?
Speaker 2: I welcome to overtime. I was just going over the
Speaker 2: coaching over time.
Speaker 3: Nicky is going to continue with his podcast, ever Sin
Speaker 3: and I we're going to all right, So there's much
Speaker 3: to talk about, much to talk about.
Speaker 5: We didn't even get to talk about the Cotton Bowl.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, and we got to wait a week By
Speaker 3: the way, Yes, that was the worst thing I saw
Speaker 3: this weekend, the play call on second and goal of
Speaker 3: the one.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: You know what was worse than that? I was defending
Speaker 3: the play call after the game in the postgame press
Speaker 3: conference and putting it on his players for not blocking it.
Speaker 2: Hey, they didn't execute. That was bad.
Speaker 5: Well on the on the sack, fumble, the right tackle,
Speaker 5: execute right, but they I kept reading about how yours
Speaker 5: he he? He didn't protect the ball, he fumbled, looks.
Speaker 2: Like he got.
Speaker 3: And it was fourth down. He yes, he had to
Speaker 3: he had to hold on forever.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: That does it? And uh coach Sar can add to
Speaker 3: the list too.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, all right.
Speaker 3: We'll talk to you next time here on mix Shots,
Speaker 3: Oh Cowboys.
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