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Speaker 1: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 3: And as we look out over the frozen tundra here

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Speaker 2: You talk about coming a long way. Jeez, he's a

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Speaker 3: And the weight continues about to reach a breaking point

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Speaker 3: here it appears. You think we'll see there's a deadline

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Speaker 3: staring us in the face midnight tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Right, what can happen in one day?

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Speaker 3: What can happen one hour?

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Speaker 4: And it always take it never does? It only happens

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Speaker 4: after our one hour?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's what's right. Yes, I thought of that today. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's like at one o'clock we'll get a we'll know something,

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Speaker 5: we'll get a press conference call.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, you're confident there will be a press call.

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Speaker 5: I didn't say that, just judging from history.

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Speaker 3: What kind of press conference would it be? Who would

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Speaker 3: be in attendance at this press conference?

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Speaker 5: Well, if they're calling a press conference, they're resigning Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 3: Guy, all right, just like in New England right now,

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Speaker 3: they're not re signing their head coach, but they've got

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Speaker 3: a new coach they're introducing to the media as we speak.

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Speaker 3: Mike Vrabel is now the head coach of the New

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Speaker 3: England Patriots.

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Speaker 5: And that didn't just happen a tie a sport suit on.

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Speaker 2: Oh so you're telling me that he didn't wake up

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Speaker 2: like this, right, they just announced it.

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Speaker 3: So do you think Mike McCarthy has his tie a

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Speaker 3: suit ready to get for Prescott?

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Speaker 5: When's the last time we saw him in a tie

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Speaker 5: in a suit?

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Speaker 3: Well since before he was calling plays.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to think, well, maybe his introductory that's what

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Speaker 5: I was introductory news conference right?

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, we've got well, got so much to

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Speaker 3: ask while we await what happens behind the scenes here

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Speaker 3: at the Star in Frisco.

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Speaker 5: By the way, since you brought that up, so the

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Speaker 5: reports on Friday and Saturday that they had begun discussions

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Speaker 5: were inaccurate.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, let us get everybody briefed on the latest

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Speaker 3: report out there, which was forty five minutes ago posted

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Speaker 3: on x by Adam Schefter.

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Speaker 5: Okay, complements of Don Yee the agent.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's just get it straight right.

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Speaker 3: With Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy eligible to talk to

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Speaker 3: other teams after midnight Tuesday, there still haven't been any

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Speaker 3: negotiations on a new deal with Dallas. Per sources, it's

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Speaker 3: now looking like McCarthy will indeed become a coaching free agent,

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Speaker 3: with Chicago and New Orleans both expected to be interested

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Speaker 3: in speaking with him. That was posted at ten fourteen

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Speaker 3: this morning.

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Speaker 2: So what's with the I don't know. It seems a

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Speaker 2: little bit inconsistent that.

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Speaker 4: If you're going to let coach go out into free agency,

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Speaker 4: why wouldn't you just allow the Bears to talk to

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Speaker 4: him initially?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Bill, let me give you another I've got streaking news.

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Speaker 3: We've got breaking news from producers. Supreme Tom Pelisara, I'm

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Speaker 3: just looking at it. I get this, I've got it

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Speaker 3: in front of me right now. You want me to

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Speaker 3: do it?

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Speaker 2: Go ahead? All right.

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Speaker 3: Bills Sero just tweeted this or posted on x. The

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Speaker 3: Cowboys and Mike McCarthy had positive discussions last week about

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four season in the future, but McCarthy's

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Speaker 3: contract was set to expire Tuesday and the sides couldn't

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Speaker 3: work out a deal. Now Dallas needs a new coach

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Speaker 3: and McCarthy is expected to have interest helps so negotiations.

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Speaker 5: So there were talks, right, There were talks, and which

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Speaker 5: tells me that they couldn't agree compensation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what those words just said. Yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 2: that they want to see.

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Speaker 5: Well, he already knows, right, Mike can't talk to these teams,

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Speaker 5: but the agent can.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: There's nothing against the agent doing his homework. And obviously

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Speaker 5: those teams might be willing to offer him more money

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Speaker 5: than or a longer contract than what the Cowboys are.

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Speaker 5: That's what it comes down to. I said it last week.

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Speaker 5: Somebody said, well, what's the hold up? I said, money

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Speaker 5: always always right, money talks.

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Speaker 3: And Nepela Sero prior to that four minutes ago, said sources.

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Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy is out as Cowboys coach. The sides couldn't

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Speaker 3: agree on length of contract and McCarthy will pursue other opportunities.

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Speaker 3: He leaves Dallas with a winning record in three playoffs.

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Speaker 5: I didn't need a source to tell you that. And

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Speaker 5: by the way, he's a really good source with McCarthy.

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Speaker 5: He gets everything first from McCarthy.

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Speaker 2: Oh right, did we have a developing situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't have to wait till one o'clock.

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Speaker 2: We did not. I like this breaking news, Go ahead, Bill,

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Speaker 2: Do I need just a good thing? This shows out

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Speaker 2: eleven and not ten yep. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 5: On time and it's still they still have how many

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Speaker 5: hours till midnight?

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Speaker 2: Yes? It out? Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's the other thing is this kind of goes back

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Speaker 3: to what I was talking about last week when I

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Speaker 3: had very good sources who told me that Wade Phillips

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Speaker 3: was out at mid season, and there was but I

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Speaker 3: was you went with it that. I went with it

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Speaker 3: until it became official official. I was nervous as could

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Speaker 3: be because things can change.

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Speaker 4: So this is not your first time being involved and

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Speaker 4: on the front end of breaking news.

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Speaker 5: And we went over my situation with Jimmy and Jerry

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Speaker 5: that it all changed in the morning.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the difference that evening. Here is a difference,

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Speaker 3: But here is a difference in it. What once it

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Speaker 3: got to this point and thirty six hours away from

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Speaker 3: the head coach becoming a coaching free agent, the coach

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Speaker 3: has some options as well in this deal. Right. So,

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Speaker 3: and by the way, the owner, president and general manager

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Speaker 3: well aware of that.

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Speaker 2: You've got a lot of other titles, right.

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Speaker 3: And knew that this was a possibility.

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Speaker 5: No, Bill's getting inside information.

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Speaker 3: I may have to go take this phone call and

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Speaker 3: y'all may have to continue without me.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll try.

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Speaker 5: After Tom Pelosero NFL Network is reporting that Mike McCarthy's

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Speaker 5: contract set to expire midnight tomorrow. Looks like what he's

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Speaker 5: reporting is that the Cowboys McCarthy have not come to

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Speaker 5: that this thing probably came down to years in money,

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Speaker 5: and maybe Jerry Jones was not willing to make a

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Speaker 5: long term commitment to Mike McCarthy or pay him what

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Speaker 5: some of the top head coaches in the league are making.

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Speaker 5: And there's a couple that are up in the fifteen

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Speaker 5: to twenty million a year range, and I don't think

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Speaker 5: Jerry's ever paid that that much for a head coach before.

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Speaker 5: and hopefully Bill Jones can bring some clarity to all

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Speaker 5: to throw mashed potatoes at the wall and hope something sticks,

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Speaker 5: and if it doesn't, twenty four hours later, it all disappears.

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Speaker 5: So we'll wait for Bill see if he was able

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Speaker 2: And only one of them was really worth my time.

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Speaker 5: And there's a couple more there that need to be

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Speaker 2: And then the Cowboys.

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Speaker 5: Leading them nineteen sixteen with six seconds to go and

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Speaker 5: solidified their sixth seed, and why they were playing Tampa Bay,

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Speaker 2: I thought it was going I thought this was hit

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Speaker 2: What was it like thirty one? Yeah or nothing?

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Speaker 4: And it was a float there, right, So it wasn't

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Speaker 2: Of it was fading, and it looked like it did

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Speaker 5: I'm sitting there going, oh my lord, this this team

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Speaker 5: And he hits them in the hip, just like the

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Speaker 2: And that's where Baker was trying to reach his hand in. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Wagner came and recovered the ball, covered it on them.

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Speaker 5: And if it didn't hit that guy's foot, Baker might

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Speaker 5: it because at that point they had only scored thirteen points. Right,

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Speaker 2: They go ahead.

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Speaker 5: Tampa Bay's coming back. They're gonna take the lead. It

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Speaker 2: Did they lose?

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Speaker 5: I think, oh no, no, this is the one they

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Speaker 2: He tried to give the ball to the running back.

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Speaker 2: Running back really didn't want the ball. Yeah, the defensive

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Speaker 5: There in the backfield, nobody in Tampa Bay moves and

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Speaker 5: goal to tie again. Now Washington had nothing to do

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Speaker 2: That's what Washington does. It's something about that team and order,

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Speaker 5: Now he made plays to capitalize on some of those mistakes,

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Speaker 2: That's ago one. That's a good one. It's a thunk.

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Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, he missed it.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a thunk if you miss it, right,

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Speaker 4: But if you make it, it's a team the How

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Speaker 4: about that? That's it's a little bit more upbeat, a

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Speaker 4: onto the field, right. This went through the upright.

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Speaker 3: So there's something about them.

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Speaker 4: And you know, it has a lot to do with

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Speaker 4: the quarterback, of course, and dan Quinn. You know, I

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Speaker 4: like the way the defense plays. His defense still just

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Speaker 4: what I like about it is it's an opportunistic defense,

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Speaker 4: their secondary is always looking back at the quarterback looking

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Speaker 4: for the ball, just like when they were here looking

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Speaker 4: worried about where is that ball going to be because

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Speaker 4: we want the ball. It's kind of like the thermostives were.

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Speaker 4: They they're they're accustomed to looking back in the backfield

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Speaker 5: All right, Our investigative reporter Bill Jones has turned.

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Speaker 3: And did you hear their reports out there that McCarthy's out. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's what That's what I can say right now, according

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Speaker 3: to work under that assumption.

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Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah, we've always I know you have.

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Speaker 3: And uh I'm awaiting a confirmation, confirmation, confirmation.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 5: See double confirmation gets double checks, not just the first.

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Speaker 2: A measure measure twice cut once.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. So what are y'all thinking?

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Speaker 5: Well, we we were, we were biting some time on

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Speaker 5: how charmed existence the commanders have okay, uh yeah, and

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Speaker 5: we were waiting to play.

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Speaker 2: They play in Baltimore. No wash Mail. I was trying

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Speaker 2: Now it went right past quick.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 5: No, they're going to play in Detroit. So I am

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Speaker 5: warning the Lions right now.

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Speaker 2: Beware. Don't let them be close in the fourth court. No,

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Speaker 2: don't let it.

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Speaker 5: Be close, because something will land in their lap.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have season long.

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Speaker 4: You know what I had to give above too, kind

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Speaker 4: of like Bill, You've always got this ancillary information. I

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Speaker 4: like the fact that Doug Williams is really enjoying watching

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Speaker 4: this young black quarterback do well in the Washington area

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Speaker 4: just as much as he did. And yesterday was even

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Speaker 4: more special because he played against the team that actually

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Speaker 4: drafted him out of Gramling State University in the first round.

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Speaker 2: Bay So that was very cool on his part.

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Speaker 4: I texted him this morning and said, you must have

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Speaker 4: felt pretty weird about that.

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Speaker 2: He said, it was a great day. He really said,

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Speaker 5: So, by the way, since you brought up the black

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Speaker 4: Right, hey, your boy, at the end of your boy,

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Speaker 4: I meant to tell you about at your white running

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Speaker 5: Okay, right there at the end of training camp, Oxnard, California.

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Speaker 10: Why don't Yes, it does, I said one drop, just

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Speaker 3: Who Marcus Freeman, the Notre Dame coach. Oh yeah, he's black,

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Speaker 2: Yes see no, no, no, see that he's black.

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Speaker 4: When he if something happens to him and he gets

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Speaker 2: I get stocked.

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Speaker 5: I'm a black driver.

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Speaker 2: I'm not darker than it doesn't have anything. It's it's

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Speaker 2: but only half. Okay, I like next time I get

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Speaker 2: Like I was only half wrong.

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Speaker 3: Okay, give you that.

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to make sure you challenge flag.

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Speaker 2: You lost that challenge. No, only to you guys.

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Speaker 4: Look, my brother Greg is like, there will be a

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Speaker 4: new sheriff in town. Mike McCarthy is out. He's always

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Speaker 4: been that guy. He hates the Cowboys. I'm not listening

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Speaker 4: to him, my baby brother.

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Speaker 2: So you got to sheriff, you want to hire Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 2: Well he's still got a job. He's no, he can't.

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Speaker 2: He can't win a playoff game, you know, he can't.

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Speaker 3: I'm amused by the talk about how it's Mike Commlin's

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Speaker 3: have anything to do with it there. It's all Mark Comers,

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Speaker 2: He just what they give him.

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Speaker 3: He's going up He's going up against Lamar Jackson, you know,

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Speaker 3: That was as easy to predict a season as any

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Speaker 5: I'm watching and I'm going, Okay, these sorry Cowboys beat

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Speaker 5: that team. They're in the playoffs. I'm watching the game

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Speaker 5: last night. They beat both of those teams, and one

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Speaker 2: I agree with it. I was thinking that last night.

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Speaker 5: I was going to bring that up and and and

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Speaker 5: guess what happened to Tampa Bay? They lost their cornerbacks.

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Speaker 5: How does that?

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Speaker 2: How does that fall in your lap? In your lap?

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Speaker 5: They couldn't cover Terry McLaurin if life depended on it.

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Speaker 4: And it seems as if Washington gets those breaks and

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Speaker 2: How about the how about the.

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Speaker 5: Was it the fourth down conversion there at the end

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Speaker 5: they had to whatever they needed to pick up? Uh,

447
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 5: the defensive tackles got to tackle for the loss.

448
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 2: At all he does is grabbed the towel.

449
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Speaker 3: He grabbed the towel.

450
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Speaker 2: That's how quick this kid is.

451
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Speaker 4: Man, he thought he had it and then it just

452
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 4: took that little bit of stiff on right and it

453
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 4: allowed him to turn the corner.

454
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Speaker 2: And boy, when that play was over, did you see him?

455
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: He was so upset? Oh yeah he was. I think

456
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: he did. He lay down. I think he went to

457
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: his knees. I mean that was an injury.

458
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Speaker 1: That was just.

459
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: Frustration, absolutely amazing.

460
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 4: I loved I loved watching the game, but I hated

461
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 4: the fact that we beat both of those teams.

462
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: I mean we beat them.

463
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Speaker 4: We beat one of them in Washington, and we beat

464
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Speaker 4: Tampa when they were on the road. Right came in

465
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Speaker 4: here and we stopped all of that. So you know,

466
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 4: that's the frustrating part.

467
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: There's no rhyme or reason. Nope.

468
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 5: And and I was and continue to watch those games

469
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 5: and the teams that were beating.

470
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Speaker 2: I don't know about what Mayfield did.

471
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 5: But Saturday quarterback stunk Herbert four interceptions. Now, one of

472
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 5: them was a tip ball off his own guy's hands,

473
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 5: but the other quarterbacks, Jordan loved kidding me interceptions.

474
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: One of them he just threw right too.

475
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 5: Now, these were all the quarterbacks I've seen written about

476
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 5: that they're so far ahead of Dak Prescott.

477
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: Right, and they they were picking Green Bay to make

478
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.

479
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the offseason, and they talked about how Jordan

480
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 4: Love was just going to be so amazing looking forward

481
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 4: to catapulting from what he did against the Cowboys in

482
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 4: the playoffs last year. That's all they talked about, is

483
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 4: how he whipped the Cowboys and that's going to be

484
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 4: the springboard to them going to the Super Bowl this year.

485
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 4: There were those that thought that that was going to happen.

486
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 4: Smart people too, They said they were smart. They said

487
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 4: they were They told us they were smart.

488
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: I was.

489
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: I was trying to so that.

490
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Chargers that just stunk it up, and Buffalo

491
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 5: didn't exactly get off to wonderful start, and they won.

492
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: They hung in there.

493
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 4: But really when you look at how Buffalo won, you

494
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 4: look at how Philadelphia won, that's really how you play

495
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 4: playoff football. You know, it'd be nice to come out

496
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 4: there and just be like we were against Minnesota right

497
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 4: back in the regular season game, or the way we

498
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 4: were going against Tampa when we whipped them in the

499
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 4: first round that time. I think that was when Brady

500
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 4: was leading them. You know those are that's unrealistic playoff football.

501
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: This is really everybody's still mad about that.

502
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 4: But when you look at games like yesterday, that's how

503
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 4: playoffs should be.

504
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: You shouldn't come in everything working. You should have to

505
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: grind for it.

506
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: That's why your team should be already preparing for the

507
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 4: grind throughout the entire season.

508
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: That's why you like having a running back. That's why

509
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: you like having a good quarterback.

510
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: Offensive line, defense, because that's the grind that you want

511
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. Defensive line playing the way they're playing,

512
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 4: running back getting off in there, finding the holes, getting

513
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: the hard yards, and quarterback's been a little bit inconsistent.

514
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 4: But then when by the time the game is done,

515
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 4: the defense has settled everything down and the quarterback comes

516
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 4: out spelling. Michael Rose, I'll be back again, very good,

517
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 4: because I was going to point out nice Avenue Bell even.

518
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 5: After the first what four or five plays, Yeah, Bo

519
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 5: Knicks looked like a rookie quarterback. Yes he did, right,

520
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 5: got it, got at one pass and then nothing.

521
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: And then that If you're not ready, that's the way

522
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 4: the playoffs are supposed to treat you right, if you're

523
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 4: not ready. These teams come in and they did a

524
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: good job coming in, but your weaknesses are gonna show.

525
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: It's just the way it is.

526
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 4: Your weaknesses are gonna come, They're gonna come out, and

527
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 4: who has the fewest weaknesses, I think, is how the was.

528
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Speaker 5: It's amazing how it seems like during the regular season

529
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 5: you can kind of disguise your weakness and then when

530
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 5: you get to play the best teams that made it

531
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 5: in the playoffs, your weaknesses get exposed.

532
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Speaker 4: It's the way the Cowboys were at the end of

533
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 4: the season, right Our weaknesses became exposed because we really

534
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 4: didn't we once showed up personalel wise at all.

535
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: We were playing well. They say spit in glue.

536
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 4: That's how we were putting things together out there and

537
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 4: doing a damn good job of it. But because we

538
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: were so behind in regards to our talent, our playoffs

539
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 4: started before the end of the season. At the end

540
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 4: of the season was approaching, and that's when we started

541
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Speaker 4: playing like a team that was in the playoffs that

542
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 4: did not deserve to be there. That's why we got

543
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 4: blown out by Philadelphia the second time as well, when

544
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: we were really playing well before that, all of a sudden,

545
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 4: it just all starts to come down on you and

546
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 4: you can't hide it anymore.

547
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 5: And as I think I pointed out last week, and

548
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 5: if I didn't, then I waited too long. But all

549
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 5: fourteen teams in the playoffs had their quarterbacks and running

550
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 5: backs right and the quarterbacks. The only team that went

551
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 5: into the playoffs that their starting quarterback didn't play at

552
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 5: least fifteen games was Pittsburgh and that was because Russell

553
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 5: Wilson was hurt at the beginning of the season and

554
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 5: he started. He nearly played one hundred percent of the

555
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 5: snaps the last eleven games when they kind of sprinted

556
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Speaker 5: into the playoffs.

557
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't say sprinted, well.

558
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 5: Drove, but but you got to have your quarterback. There

559
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 5: was no one in there playing with a backup quarterback.

560
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 5: And that's just and or a quarterback who missed a

561
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 5: bunch of snaps during the season. Jalen Hurts ended up

562
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 5: fifteen starts, right, and then he missed two because of

563
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 5: the concussion. The rest of those guys like Kansas City,

564
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 5: Mahomes and Stafford, yes, they missed the last game of

565
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 5: the year because they had nothing to play for of course,

566
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 5: so they sat him. So having a quarterback really really matters.

567
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 5: And I went back and looked. And we may excuse

568
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 5: me if we talked about it last Monday, but from

569
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety seven on, every season since that the Cowboys

570
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 5: had a losing record, they didn't have their starting quarterback.

571
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that.

572
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Speaker 5: Unbelievable. And so my bottom line is quarterbacks matter that less.

573
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 5: You know, that's why they make all the money.

574
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 4: No, but also that's why I had to give my

575
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 4: boy Berline some love right when I saw him at

576
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 4: the Bill Bates event, right, And I had never really

577
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 4: talked to Steve, but I have always admired the way

578
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 4: he helped the Cowboy. I wasn't even the Cowboy fan

579
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 4: at the time because they had just gotten rid of

580
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 4: me and I was going to New York and all

581
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 4: of that and just retired. But watching him take over

582
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 4: the way he did for a hell of a starting quarterback,

583
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame quarterback, and he came in and they

584
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 4: did not lose a beat.

585
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 5: Or a game until the second round on Moto Man.

586
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just that's something that you know is special.

587
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 4: And I let him know, I say, hey, man, I

588
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 4: always want to tell you I liked your game, you know,

589
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 4: And he's like, he didn't know what I was coming from.

590
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 4: It's just some opportunity to tell you because I've never

591
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 4: really met you. But man, what you did because we

592
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 4: talk about it on the podcast all the time, and

593
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 4: I reminded him of how we bring up the old

594
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: old school days. And man, he was extremely important to

595
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 4: the Cowboys culture. A guy that was just here, not

596
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 4: long at all, but I thought he made a big difference.

597
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: Even though they lost in that second round, it helped

598
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 4: the Cowboys continue their ascension because even though they they

599
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 4: could have gone to the Super Bowl that year, at

600
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Speaker 4: least to the championship game, that season could have been

601
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Speaker 4: a throwaway season.

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Speaker 2: Well think about it.

603
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Speaker 5: So you got talking about nineteen ninety one and they

604
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 5: were six and five and he had to come in

605
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 5: in the third quarter Troy Aikman sprained his knee and

606
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 5: he led him to win over Washington at Washington, which

607
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 5: would have that that game spoiled their undefeated season because

608
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 5: they lost the last one when they didn't play. They

609
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 5: finished fourteen and two, but the Cowboys beat him twenty

610
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 5: four to twenty one, and they went on to win.

611
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 5: So they got to seven and five and they won

612
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 5: the last four straight.

613
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Speaker 2: With Berlin as quarterback.

614
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Speaker 5: And I remember when they went to Philadelphia with an

615
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 5: opportunity if they beat the Eagles at Philadelphia, they were

616
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 5: going to clinch a wild card, and Jimmy Johnson basically

617
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 5: told Steve Burline, I don't care if you finished the

618
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 5: first half three for seventeen, do not take a snap

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Speaker 5: a sack, and do not turn the ball over it.

620
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Speaker 5: And I think he was like four of twelve or

621
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Speaker 5: something like that. But they ended up winning that game

622
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Speaker 5: with Berline at quarterback. Okay, investigative reporter, any.

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Speaker 3: Updates, sattus is basically quo. But I think it's well,

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Speaker 3: I know that there's a parting of the ways, okay,

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Speaker 3: and so we can turn our conversation.

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Speaker 2: To who's the next head coach?

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Speaker 3: to do that when we come back here?

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Speaker 3: All right, we continue on here on mix Shots and

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Speaker 3: Edwarder reports Mike McCarthy has informed his coaching staff that

673
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 3: he will not be returning Cowboys head coaches his contract expires.

674
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: My ed sources indicate there was conflicting dialogue between McCarthy

675
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: and Jerry Jones and no contract was ever offered. Bears

676
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: have confirmed interest in McCarthy and is expected the Saints

677
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: will as well. And of course McCarthy worked for the

678
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: Saints and worked with GM Mickey Loomis before. It was

679
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 3: his first offensive ordinator going back there two thousands or so. Uh,

680
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 3: and Loomis has been with the Saints ever since. So anyway,

681
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: that's where that stands right now. And uh, now we

682
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: move on to see who the next coach of the

683
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 3: Cowboys will be.

684
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

685
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 5: Thoughts I want to head coach, suggestions I want to

686
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 5: head coach, You want to head coach.

687
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: We talked about that last week. Head coaches versus coordinator. Yes,

688
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: elevated coach. You want to you want the analytics guy,

689
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: you want a gut punch guy.

690
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: I want a gut punch You want an offensive play

691
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: caller guy? Or you're talking to when you say a

692
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 3: head coach, I'll walk around head.

693
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 5: Coach if that's if that's available.

694
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: Yes, and if not, many of those are left unless that.

695
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: A former head coach, UH with an expiring kind track

696
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: on the staff. Now, who's the defensive coordinator this year?

697
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: And Mike Zimmer that's right?

698
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 5: Or if I have to dip into college, okay there,

699
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 5: I just want somebody that has stood before. Seventy guys

700
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 5: in the team meeting room.

701
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 2: Tell you what? That not half the easy choice.

702
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 4: If your Jerry would be Zimmer, right, it would Yes,

703
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 4: that would be the easy, safe choice.

704
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 3: Keep your defense in place then, and then you got to.

705
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 5: Find an offensive coordinator because you're not just moving on

706
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 5: from the head coach, you're moving on from the offensive coordinator.

707
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 4: So coordinators to me, they could be you know, gut guys,

708
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: or they could be analytic guys. But if I'm going

709
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: to have a true head coach like Zimmer, then I

710
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 4: wouldn't mind one of those analytic guys coming around, and

711
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 4: they could mix it up and have the best.

712
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: Of both world.

713
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: You can throw names out there. In fact, there are

714
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: two who are offensive play callers in the NFC East

715
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: who are now moving on to the divisional round of

716
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: the playoffs, and that would be one with past experience

717
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: on this coaching staff and as a player here Kellen Moore,

718
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: and there would be Cliff Kingsbury and Washington as well

719
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: who has passed NFL head coaching experience.

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Speaker 4: This is Cliff Kingsbury's most successful road that he's traveled

721
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 4: so far. Because as a head coach, they always seem.

722
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 3: To start fast, finished man, and fade fast.

723
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: Saved fast. This particular time, they have done the opposite.

724
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 4: Every fourth quarter. They're making all the right moves and

725
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 4: all the right plays, so all the way till the

726
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 4: end of the season was landed them in the playoffs.

727
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 5: It's amazing when one person reports something, then everybody else

728
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 5: has something.

729
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 3: NFL Network mm hmmm, we were first.

730
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, we confirmed it.

731
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 5: I want a leader of men, and I'll tell you

732
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 5: who would interest me as a coordinator to fit that

733
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 5: description would be Aaron Glenn. He's been here, he has

734
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 5: some leadership qualities in his personality.

735
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 2: He's tough and no nonsense. But yeah, he's tough. That's

736
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 2: what I mean. He's tough.

737
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 5: He was one of the better cowboy free agent signings

738
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 5: UH in their history, and he understands the game, not

739
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 5: just defense, and he understands people. He's going to get

740
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 5: a job. I'm not saying that's what's going to happen here.

741
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 5: I'm just saying somebody with that type of personality.

742
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, leading candidate in New Orleans, I would imagine.

743
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, Campbell knows he's losing it. Yeah. Yeah.

744
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 3: And Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator who does not have

745
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 3: head coaching experience too, And.

746
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 5: I don't know anything about his personality. I know that

747
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 5: he devises a pretty good offense.

748
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: But you got to be a leader. You know what

749
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: I remember most about Aaron Glenn He would do this.

750
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 5: His his locker was over there at Valley ranch By

751
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 5: near where Darren Woodson's was, on that side of the building,

752
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 5: and he'd sit there and talk to the big media.

753
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 5: All the cameras were there, and then I would hang back,

754
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 5: and he looked at me and go, Okay, what do

755
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 5: you want because he knew I was gonna ask one

756
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 5: more question?

757
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 3: Right?

758
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 11: Speaking of Aaron Glenn last week, he was real busy.

759
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 11: You want to hear his schedule last week?

760
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

761
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 4: I know.

762
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 9: Go.

763
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 11: So, Thursday he had an interview with the for the

764
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 11: New York Jets job. Friday in the am he had

765
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 11: he did the Saints interview. Friday in the PM, he

766
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 11: did the Vegas Raiders interview, Saturday morning he did the

767
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 11: Jacksonville Jaguars interview, and Saturday afternoon he did the Bears interview.

768
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 11: He was also asked to interview with the Patriots, and

769
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 11: he rejected that one.

770
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Speaker 2: So he must have known Vrabel was getting, right, he

771
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: didn't want to compete against that.

772
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Speaker 11: Well, I mean that was that was I mean, he

773
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 11: got that last week early, so I'm assuming that he

774
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 11: probably rejected that one because of what happened to the

775
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 11: last guy.

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00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 5: So Tella Sero added to his report saying they couldn't

777
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 5: agree on length of contract.

778
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, we said that.

779
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well so that and that was very predictable, right, because,

780
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 3: I mean, when you look at it, especially since McCarthy

781
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 3: was about to become a coaching free agent, and usually

782
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: a first time head coach gets a five year deal, right,

783
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: we've already gone through this even after three straight twelve

784
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: win seasons. I'm not saying this was true, but there

785
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: was speculation that he could be let go after a

786
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 3: third straight twelve win season and an early playoff exit

787
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: a year ago, but he had one year left. Well,

788
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: now you're down to no year's left, and are you

789
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: going to give a five year contract to someone who

790
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 3: speculation has was on the hot seat the last couple

791
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 3: of years. Well, it was very doubtful.

792
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 5: I was thinking at best he was going to get

793
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 5: a two year extension because you and if.

794
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: You compare that with the five five or that the

795
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: Bears or the Saints or somebody else might offer him.

796
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: And I think that's why when Jerry was talking with

797
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: the media for a good forty minutes or so after

798
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: the game a week ago, he started talking about incentives

799
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: and that sort of thing, and fans would love to

800
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: see to see a contract that is incentive based, you know,

801
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 3: and that's probably the best way to do it. It's okay,

802
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: you make the playoffs, you get your next year, you

803
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 3: get X amount of money, an increase whatever, uh, you

804
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: might go to the super Bowl, you get and so

805
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: you're basically betting on yourself, you know.

806
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 5: And think about this, you mentioned length of contract. If

807
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 5: you only get one or two years, your assistants are

808
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 5: going to go follow a new head coach that just

809
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 5: got five right. It happened last year the coaches that

810
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 5: left here Joe Joe, he goes well, Dan five years

811
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 5: so I'm going there instead of staying here for one year.

812
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 5: Aiden Derby went to Seattle. He had a chance to

813
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 5: be the defensive coordinator, which that that's a no given.

814
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 5: But again, it's going somewhere where the new coach just

815
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 5: got hired. He's got five years. I stay here, it's

816
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 5: only one year. There was another guy on the assistant

817
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 5: that went with Quinn.

818
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: I mentioned Joe Whitt Jr.

819
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was somebody else other than him.

820
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not.

821
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 5: And so yeah, that factors in two because if you're

822
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 5: a head coach and your entire staff is up, he's

823
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 5: going to be hired to put press to put together

824
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 5: the staff you had, if that's what you wanted to do. Now,

825
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 5: there's a lot of assistant coaches out there. Uh, since

826
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 5: there's what five five openings?

827
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: Now is that what you said, Chris?

828
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: Now there's six. Now there's the Cowboys, but there's six

829
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: was hired and right, we got it down to five.

830
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: Now we're back up to so you would have.

831
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 5: Had five staffs probably to pick over.

832
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: Do you think Jerry knew this was going to happen.

833
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: I think he knew possibility existed, the possibility.

834
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, he if he was going to roll

835
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: the dice. I think he thought he had it in

836
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: the bag that he wouldn't leave, that he wouldn't leave. No,

837
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: I don't believe that. You don't believe that.

838
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 5: No.

839
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 3: I think I think he's not surprised it ended like this.

840
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 4: Well, he should have someone else in his back pocket,

841
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 4: a couple of people, because things are moving real fast.

842
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: Well, and the other thing about it is the way

843
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: the you don't want to interview, well by the way

844
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: the interview process happens in the NFL is like that's

845
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 3: why Aaron Glenn was and Ben Johnson had so many

846
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: interviews last week. That was the window to interview assistants

847
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: on teams that had a first round by and No,

848
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 3: because he was talking with Mark McCarthy last But I

849
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 3: don't think he looks at it that there's any great

850
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: time frame.

851
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: It's not like those kids.

852
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 3: It's not like those guys are going to get hired

853
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 3: by some other team before their season ends.

854
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: Now.

855
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: They just those were zoom interviews, their introductory that's why

856
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 3: Chicago's doing twenty five interviews or what ever. They're all zooms.

857
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: It's not like they're now. Some of them came maybe

858
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: on campus that had their season over. I think Brabel

859
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: may have come there, but most of them are like

860
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: two or three hour zoom interviews where you get to

861
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: know what the guy, what makes the guy tick, and

862
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 3: whether it would be a fit or not, and whether

863
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 3: you want to put him on your short list once

864
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: their season ends. So it's not like the Cowboys are

865
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: behind as far as any of those guys if they

866
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: want to hire them, and they've got a working knowledge

867
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Speaker 3: of Kellen Moore obviously, if they if that was a

868
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: guy that interested them. I think the intriguing uh McCarthy.

869
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 3: I mean, Jerry has seen what's happened with Dan Campbell

870
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 3: and Detroit Patriots. I think the reason that Gerrod Mayo

871
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: was let go after one year was they decided that

872
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: let's bring Mike Brabel, right, it was obvious that there

873
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: was going to be there. Yes, and and I think

874
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: the end.

875
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: Well, Bob Kraft came and apologize.

876
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 3: There. Here's what I think the intriguing guy in this,

877
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: and it may shock people because he's been coaching high

878
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: school football. I know, I don't know where you were going,

879
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 3: but the intriguing guy in this is Jason Witten, and

880
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 3: I know how Jerry feels about Jason Witten, and with

881
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: sixteen seventeen years experience in the NFL, he wasn't just

882
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 3: a player in the NFL as far as being in

883
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 3: front of a room talking to a team. I mean,

884
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 3: Jason Garrett would rave about that sort of stuff. Now,

885
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: he's been coaching at the coaching his kids at the

886
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: high school level the last three or four years, and

887
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 3: a couple of state championships the last couple of years.

888
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 3: But Witten is a guy that would be It would

889
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 3: shock the world because it would shock it would shock

890
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 3: the world the hell out of me. But I think

891
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 3: it's an interesting candidate.

892
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 5: And when he finished and all this talk came up

893
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 5: about him potentially being a head coach at some point,

894
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 5: and I remember somebody inside this organization, I said, well,

895
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 5: the tough thing he would have if he jumped right

896
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 5: into the NFL is putting together a staff. And a

897
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 5: person looked at me and goes, you would be surprised

898
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 5: that he knows a lot of people that he could

899
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 5: put a staff together. And it's somebody I trust. And

900
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 5: so with that opinion, yes, not that he was sitting

901
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 5: there thinking.

902
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 3: Right, I'm going to hire this obviously, he'd be a

903
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: walk around head coach. He hires offensive coordinator, hires defensive coordinator.

904
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: It might be the defensive coordinator that was here, that's

905
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: r this year in Mike Zimmer. Then you've got a

906
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 3: veteran former head coach who helps him along to and

907
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 3: then you have a senior assistant as well. Anyway, and

908
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 3: then you have to find a offensive coordinator. But what

909
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 3: you're doing, if you do that, you're and I guarantee

910
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 3: you Jerry has thought of him in terms of being

911
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 3: a head coach at some point. The only different the

912
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: biggest difference obviously between him and a Dan Campbell, as

913
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 3: Dan Campbell was an assistant coach and actually was an

914
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: interim head coach with the Dolphins going back twenty fifteen

915
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 3: or so, I think when Sperano may had been let

916
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: go whatever, and then he was under Sean Payton and

917
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 3: so he's been mentored along. But I think Jerry could

918
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 3: count his sixteen seventeen years playing in the NFL as

919
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: experienced becoming a coach.

920
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 5: In the NFL, and he can do like Dan Campbell

921
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 5: did and just hire former players to coach for which

922
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 5: Campbell did initially, right.

923
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 3: Right, right, So anyway, just a name to keep an

924
00:52:58,719 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 3: eye on.

925
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: Isure is. I would be extremely surprised if this happened.

926
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: Here's your thunk. There it goes.

927
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 3: It's Fadal distractable player. Mickey Spagnola is now describing weird

928
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 3: winning field goal by zing Gonzalez.

929
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: Get to hear me talk about it. I called it

930
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: a thunk, saying good sound.

931
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 3: That's their fourth kicker.

932
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: Uh huh, that's right.

933
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 5: Uh, he survived by the skin of his chin.

934
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 3: All right, What else, So let's say a little something

935
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 3: about Mike McCarthy in our last four minutes his time here.

936
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: What do you think?

937
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 5: Well, when you walked out, But it was something you

938
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 5: had brought up, and I went and did my research

939
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 5: on it. About teams in the playoffs having their quarterbacks. Uh.

940
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 5: And I pointed out ever since that, since nineteen ninety seven,

941
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 5: when the Cowboys went what seven in nine with Troy

942
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 5: Aikman starting all sixteen games, all the rest of the

943
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 5: losing seasons involved quarterback injuries or getting benched, every one

944
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 5: of them. And so Mike McCarthy has three of five

945
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 5: winning seasons here in the two he didn't he lost

946
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 5: Troy Aikman. I mean, Dak Prescott for the season. So

947
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 5: when you look back at his history here, I guess

948
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 5: it would be remembered as two out of three division titles,

949
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 5: three playoff appearances, and the fact that he didn't win

950
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 5: enough playoff game.

951
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 4: No, that's gonna be the first narrative, right, Yeah, the

952
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 4: lack of playoff games. That's just the way it is

953
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 4: when you're coaching the Cowboys. I can see McCarthy coming

954
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 4: into that negotiation coming from a place of strength, just

955
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 4: like you just pointed out divisional winner, twelve wins three

956
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 4: years in a row, three years.

957
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: And you know something like that just doesn't happen around here.

958
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 4: The number one narrative, though, will definitely be that he

959
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 4: couldn't win playoff games. He's going he went into that negotiation.

960
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 4: I'm sure he's went in there thinking, you know, this

961
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,439
Speaker 4: is what I'm this is what I'm going to tout.

962
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 4: You know, I'm going to talk to you about how

963
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 4: many other coaches have you had that have done something

964
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 4: like what I've done here in the last four years.

965
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 2: So, as far as I'm concerned, I understand why he

966
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 2: came in that way.

967
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 4: I'm sure Jerry was not surprised that he did come

968
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 4: in that way. But I'm also surprised that if Jerry

969
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 4: wants to go through this process based on what happened

970
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 4: is past offseason and everything just kind of got pushed

971
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 4: into the last minute, I would really feel comfortable going

972
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 4: into this offseason with a little bit more security.

973
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to go into too deep into the

974
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 2: off season. I know what you was saying.

975
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 4: I understand that, but I don't want to go too

976
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 4: deep into the off season without having my team ready

977
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 4: coach wise for next year.

978
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 3: Think about what Jerry has done in the past when

979
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,959
Speaker 3: he's made coaching changes. Now the rules have changed where

980
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 3: you've got to enter review a number of candidates. Now

981
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 3: you can't do what Jerry did when he and Jimmy

982
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 3: parted ways and thirty years ago, twenty four hours later,

983
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 3: twenty four hours off his couch in Norman, Oklahoma, here

984
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 3: comes Barry Switzer to the Cowboys.

985
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 5: But hold that thought until McCarthy. These last three years

986
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 5: are going to the playoffs. Switzerland would have been the

987
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 5: last Cowboys head coach to go to the playoffs three

988
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 5: years in a row, and before that, Jimmy three years

989
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 5: and right before that. You have to go back to

990
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 5: Landry's twenty consecutive winning seasons. And guess what I pointed

991
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 5: out about losing. Look at what happened to Tom eighty six,

992
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 5: lost his quarterback eighty seven the strike and then they

993
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 5: facilitated between vacillin.

994
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could just say quarterbacks and the messed up everything.

995
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 3: Eighty eight.

996
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: That Danny White was done and Lure wasn't ready.

997
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 3: So but if you look back at his coach searches,

998
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 3: now the McCarthy one, it was spreading in net. But

999
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 3: he pretty quickly came upon McCarthy as the guy. I

1000
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 3: think he had an idea. Yeah, prior to that, he

1001
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,959
Speaker 3: knew Jason Garrett was going to be the guy. In fact,

1002
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 3: he was promoted in the middle of the season. He

1003
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: did a complete search with Wade Phillips where there was

1004
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,479
Speaker 3: a parade of candidates that came into Valley Ranch.

1005
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of that you say, it's

1006
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 5: different and now, a lot of that had to do

1007
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 5: with he was picking everybody's brain and.

1008
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 3: That was a situation. But that was also a situation

1009
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 3: from this standpoint with Parcels was at the end of

1010
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 3: his four years. He could he could have stayed, and

1011
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 3: he decided it was too much.

1012
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 5: Right, that lost in Seattle, That's right, and so.

1013
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 3: So he didn't have someone that was he had really did.

1014
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 3: He didn't have someone in his pocket at that point

1015
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: when he hired weight Okay, part when Campo was let go,

1016
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 3: Parcells was the guy.

1017
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: He had him for the season, even right right they.

1018
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 3: Were interviewing the Campo from chan Gaily to Campo chan Gaily.

1019
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 3: How quickly was it that he went with Campo?

1020
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 5: I want to say it happened during the super.

1021
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 3: Bowl, okay, and then the transition from Switzer to Gaileen

1022
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 3: took a while because there's been a mix. He thought

1023
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 3: whether he's got a hand picked successor.

1024
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: Or not any bad I think John Gruden would be

1025
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 2: a good choice.

1026
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 3: Gruden is another one.

1027
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 5: That fits that mold of being a head and coach

1028
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 5: by the way, hasn't.

1029
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 3: Coached, by the way. Woulden played for Gruden in Vegas?

1030
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: Interesting? Thank you? Ever?

1031
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 3: Said?

1032
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: Ever said?

1033
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 3: Did you play for Nick Saban? I? Did?

1034
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 2: He was? Was he the coach?

1035
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 3: The answer to that? What you know about Nick Saban?

1036
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 3: Could Nick Saban?

1037
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: I said?

1038
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 4: I said Nick Saban about a couple of weeks ago.

1039
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, if that was going to put

1040
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 4: my choice in that not my choice, but who I

1041
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 4: think would fit here, someone that could with Jerry Jones.

1042
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 2: You know, Nick is the kind of guy.

1043
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 4: First of all, he's gonna be short with the media,

1044
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 4: so he's not gonna whatever you guys do with with Jerry,

1045
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 4: He's not going to give a damn. He's gonna be

1046
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 4: stead you know, forward and straightforward and just you know,

1047
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 4: thinking about winning games. And he's very stubborn in regards

1048
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 4: to how he does his business. But I also think

1049
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 4: he's one of those guys just like Belichick was, and

1050
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 4: just like he treated Belichick when he was under built.

1051
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 4: Whatever my boss says, I'm going to adhere to it.

1052
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 4: And that's what Jerry wants. A guy that thinks just

1053
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 4: like that.

1054
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 5: And as we said, don't think that commercial on TV

1055
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 5: that Saban's acting, the one about Yeah.

1056
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 4: He said, you know that barbecue pit outside, it's a

1057
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 4: nice barbecue pitch.

1058
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 2: You don't touch it, right, right, He's not acting.

1059
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 3: Yahoo's here.

1060
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 4: This ain't We're not out here to have fun. That's him,

1061
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 4: and I promise you guys he he would fit in here.

1062
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 4: Even with Jerry being chirping over his shoulder. I don't

1063
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 4: think it would bother him one bit?

1064
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 2: How much attention would that bring?

1065
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: It'd be something did you happen to see? And we

1066
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 3: got to wrap up here did you happen to see?

1067
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 3: The Athletic had a poll of coaches I think in

1068
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 3: the NFL, which one of the open positions would be

1069
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 3: or potentially open positions? So the Cowboys were included. Would

1070
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 3: be the most desirable head coaching job available out there

1071
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 3: this year? Here? Yeah, and Cowboys were number one on

1072
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 3: the list.

1073
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 5: Because think about one though. We'll go where we started

1074
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 5: this quarterbacks. Yeah, Usually those teams that don't have a

1075
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 5: head coach now, they didn't have a proven quarterback, right, yeah,

1076
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 5: and that's why they all job, uh, you know, jockeying

1077
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 5: for a position in the draft.

1078
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 3: So we didn't even Chicago does have Caleb Williams. They

1079
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 3: do approven number one overall.

1080
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 5: He got somebody to work with, right, Maybe New England

1081
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 5: has somebody to work with.

1082
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: Hey, Chris, are you hungry? Yeah?

1083
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 5: All right, are you buying or something?

1084
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: I welcome to overtime. I was just going over the

1085
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 2: coaching over time.

1086
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 3: Nicky is going to continue with his podcast, ever Sin

1087
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 3: and I we're going to all right, So there's much

1088
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 3: to talk about, much to talk about.

1089
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 5: We didn't even get to talk about the Cotton Bowl.

1090
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: Oh okay, and we got to wait a week By

1091
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 3: the way, Yes, that was the worst thing I saw

1092
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 3: this weekend, the play call on second and goal of

1093
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 3: the one.

1094
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

1095
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 3: You know what was worse than that? I was defending

1096
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 3: the play call after the game in the postgame press

1097
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: conference and putting it on his players for not blocking it.

1098
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: Hey, they didn't execute. That was bad.

1099
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 5: Well on the on the sack, fumble, the right tackle,

1100
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 5: execute right, but they I kept reading about how yours

1101
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 5: he he? He didn't protect the ball, he fumbled, looks.

1102
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: Like he got.

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Speaker 3: And it was fourth down. He yes, he had to

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Speaker 3: he had to hold on forever.

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: That does it? And uh coach Sar can add to

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Speaker 3: the list too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, all right.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you next time here on mix Shots,

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Speaker 3: Oh Cowboys.

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