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Speaker 1: Late Kick Extra podcast, our strictly mailbag Q and a

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Speaker 1: and at this point it's old hat. You know how

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Speaker 1: while gators are stupid. Is back and gators are stupid. Asks.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Nick Saban and Alabama will ever decline

430
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Speaker 1: from perennial national title contender status? No, I don't as

431
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Speaker 1: long as he's there. I truly do not. Have you

432
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Speaker 1: guys seen what they're doing in recruiting right now. You

433
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Speaker 1: remember we were talking about this about a month and

434
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Speaker 1: a half two months ago. I did a couple of

435
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Speaker 1: segments on Lake Kick when they were ranked in the forties.

436
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: They were ranked like forty first in forty four. They

437
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Speaker 1: were ranked in the fifties at one point in the

438
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Speaker 1: team recruiting rankings, and I made the most obvious statement

439
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Speaker 1: in the world to me, which was, don't worry, they'll

440
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Speaker 1: come and I thought that they would end up in

441
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Speaker 1: the top five. Well, I actually got some comments that

442
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: laughed at that. I don't know what in the world

443
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Speaker 1: you guys were smoking, all four or five of you

444
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Speaker 1: who commented that way. But here they sit now number

445
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Speaker 1: two in the team rank. They're going to make a

446
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Speaker 1: serious push for the number one class in the country,

447
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: which two or three months ago we thought was unheard of.

448
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: Ohio State was running away with that thing, and the

449
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: Buckeyes still may very well end up the overwhelming winner

450
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Speaker 1: of the top class. But Bama is at least pushing

451
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Speaker 1: them now. I say that to say this. They're not

452
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Speaker 1: going anywhere. They just got the top quarterback in the

453
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Speaker 1: country last year, they're signing, We're in the process of

454
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Speaker 1: signing one of the best offensive line classes in history

455
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Speaker 1: right now. The edge rusher class they brought in last

456
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: cycle is insane. They've got a ton of former head

457
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Speaker 1: coaches on their coaching staff all over the place, Like

458
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: Charlie Strong's there, just stowed away. Butch Jones is there,

459
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Speaker 1: just stowed away. Steve Sarkeesian's there. They are loaded in

460
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Speaker 1: every way imaginable. They are breaking ground on a brand

461
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Speaker 1: new locker room sports science center right now. All the

462
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Speaker 1: stuff you need to sustain along with the headman himself

463
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: is there. No, they're not going anywhere. Chris next up.

464
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Speaker 1: You recently said Penn State needs an elite quarterback to

465
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Speaker 1: take the next step. But I believe defense is the

466
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Speaker 1: Achilles heel here. This unit has folded late in some

467
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Speaker 1: big games. Now, I'm hopeful the increase in overall talent

468
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Speaker 1: level changes it. But what do you see in their

469
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Speaker 1: personnel compared to other top teams in college football? I

470
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Speaker 1: don't see it this way, Chris Folding. You know folding.

471
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma folded defensively last year against LSU. That's folding. I mean,

472
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Speaker 1: that's getting truly bent over. Penn State's a very good

473
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Speaker 1: defensive program. Now what is elite defense today? Because I

474
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Speaker 1: think what you'd find, going back to the point that

475
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Speaker 1: I made that you pointed out, if you get a

476
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Speaker 1: Justin Field's Trevor Lawrence to a tongue of Ilo a

477
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Speaker 1: type quarterback at Penn State, what you would find is

478
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Speaker 1: it no longer requires you to be an impenetrable force defensively.

479
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Speaker 1: You don't have to look like Paterno's vintage defenses of

480
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Speaker 1: the late seventies. That's not what you have to look

481
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Speaker 1: like anymore. You got to be opportunistic, You got to

482
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Speaker 1: be really good in the red zone. You got to

483
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Speaker 1: force turnovers. You can take more chances. You know, you

484
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Speaker 1: can afford to give up some points every now and

485
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Speaker 1: then because you're going to score them. But also what

486
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Speaker 1: happens is your offense, in a way is a defense.

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Speaker 1: You ever heard that saying before, and specifically, you put

488
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Speaker 1: so much pressure on the opposing offense that it forces

489
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Speaker 1: them to take more chances that ultimately you take advantage

490
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Speaker 1: of their forced risk, and so Achilles heel or not.

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Speaker 1: And you and I may disagree right now in maybe

492
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Speaker 1: the caliber of defense they're playing there, I think it

493
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Speaker 1: may come from you just holding them to a bit

494
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Speaker 1: higher standard, which I totally understand than I do. But

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Speaker 1: I think they're playing plenty good enough defense, and they've

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Speaker 1: got superstar caliber players that have come through there continue

497
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Speaker 1: to be there now with a guy like Parsons, and

498
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Speaker 1: so they recruit plenty well enough there. I love what

499
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Speaker 1: they have a defensive coordinator, And if they ever get

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Speaker 1: the right guy in there at quarterback and they get

501
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Speaker 1: that offense rolling like hopefully Soroka will, then I don't

502
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Speaker 1: think defense would be much of an issue anymore. A

503
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Speaker 1: quick reminder as we move on here, one of those

504
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Speaker 1: old fashioned calls to action. Just a five star review.

505
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Speaker 1: That's all I'm asking for, just a five star review,

506
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Speaker 1: and that concludes our call to action. Next up, Gator's

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Speaker 1: fifteen Why do you think Florida struggles to recruit elite talent, Well,

508
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Speaker 1: they don't have an elite recruiting staff. That's why. Now

509
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what we go a long way in

510
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Speaker 1: rectifying this outside of just making new staff hires, is

511
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Speaker 1: beating Georgia. Simple as that Florida beats Georgia this year,

512
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Speaker 1: I think you would see the tide turn to a

513
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Speaker 1: certain degree. But I'll be honest with you, I don't

514
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Speaker 1: think that they go heads up very well with Alabama,

515
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Speaker 1: with Clemson, with Georgia when Georgia comes into the state

516
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Speaker 1: of Florida to recruit. I don't like the way they

517
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Speaker 1: stack up there right now. And see, this goes back

518
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Speaker 1: to that whole point. A lot of people make about

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Speaker 1: Dan Mullen versus Kirby Smart. A lot of people would

520
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Speaker 1: tell you Dan Mullen is a better tactician, Dan Mullen

521
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Speaker 1: is a better game day coach. Dan Mullen is a

522
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Speaker 1: better developer of quarterbacks. They'll give all these accolades Dan Mullen.

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Speaker 1: Once you are seventeen to seventeen late in the third

524
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Speaker 1: quarter and games on the line, and you can't recruit

525
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Speaker 1: more players for the fourth quarter, Dan Mullen's going to

526
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Speaker 1: beat you. That's great. I'm not necessarily arguing with any

527
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Speaker 1: of that sentiment. There are degrees of truth to all

528
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Speaker 1: of it. Recruiting is a massive part of who you

529
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Speaker 1: are as a head coach in college football. It just is.

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Speaker 1: If we were in the NFL, it wouldn't be in

531
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Speaker 1: college football. It is. If you're a great recruiter, then

532
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Speaker 1: that matters a whole lot when it comes to how

533
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Speaker 1: I compare you to a guy who historically has been

534
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Speaker 1: maybe an average recruiter compared to the other elites out there. Floyd.

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Speaker 1: I don't get me wrong. Now, Florida recruits very well.

536
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Speaker 1: They don't recruit at an elite level. They recruited a

537
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Speaker 1: good to very good level, which would be great if

538
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Speaker 1: you were competing in the Big twelve or in the ACC,

539
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: but you're not. There's sharks all over the place in

540
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: the SEC, so you got to be one yourself. And

541
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Speaker 1: if you're not that and you're just counting on being

542
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Speaker 1: able to outscheme teams, that may get you some impressive wins,

543
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Speaker 1: but it's not going to get you a season full

544
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Speaker 1: of them. And that's what it takes to win an

545
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Speaker 1: SEC championship. Carter E one, I don't expect this. Carter

546
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Speaker 1: E one is the poster, by the way, I don't

547
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Speaker 1: expect the elite quarterback play from Jered Garantano at Tennessee.

548
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Speaker 1: But do you think he can take the next step

549
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Speaker 1: to being an eight, nine or ten win level quarterback

550
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Speaker 1: in year two under Cheney? Well, that was a pretty

551
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Speaker 1: wide gap. You gave me their carter Eight wins, Yeah,

552
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Speaker 1: I think they're capable of that with him. Ten wins, No,

553
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're capable of that with him. So

554
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Speaker 1: the truth probably lies somewhere in between. And ultimately, you know,

555
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Speaker 1: if you're struggling to get to eight wins versus pushing

556
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Speaker 1: for nine or ten wins, then I think every week

557
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: we go further into this year, if Brian Mauer hasn't

558
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: figured into the equation, then I think you start to

559
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: hear Harrison Bailey's name whispered and then just openly spoken

560
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: and then shouted. And I don't know that anytime this

561
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: year will be the right time for him. But no

562
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Speaker 1: one would love to see Tennessee push for double digit

563
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: wins more than me because Jered Garantano's a great guy.

564
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Speaker 1: Sometimes when you speak about these kids, and you say

565
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: things that are perceived as negative. I just call it reality.

566
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Speaker 1: It sounds like you're bashing them. I'm not bashing anyone.

567
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time I bashed a college

568
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Speaker 1: football player, and I'm not doing it now. However, the

569
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is some guys have limitations, some

570
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: guys have lower ceilings, and jerried Gerantano has never struck

571
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Speaker 1: me as a guy that is going to help Tennessee

572
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: challenge for the SEC East. I don't see it that way.

573
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: Would be happy to be proven wrong. Next up, Govall's

574
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: twelve says you talk a lot about being opposed to

575
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Speaker 1: the College Football Playoff expanding, and so am I. But

576
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Speaker 1: every argument I've heard you make against expansion could also

577
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Speaker 1: be used in reverse to support returning to the two

578
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Speaker 1: team BCS system. So why is four the right number

579
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Speaker 1: of teams? Or do you support the two team model

580
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Speaker 1: being the best? No? I like the expansion to four.

581
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have any problem using the BCS process to

582
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Speaker 1: select those four teams. Wouldn't have any problem with that whatsoever.

583
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Speaker 1: I thought the BCS did a fine job at more

584
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Speaker 1: properly rating teams. I didn't have a problem with that.

585
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Speaker 1: My whole thing about expanding past four, among several other reasons,

586
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Speaker 1: is I have never seen a year where I thought

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Speaker 1: the number five team had a legitimate argument that they

588
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Speaker 1: were the best team deserved to be ranked the number

589
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Speaker 1: one team, And I have seen years where the number

590
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Speaker 1: three team could make that argument. So if we were

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Speaker 1: in a two team format, two thousand and four comes

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Speaker 1: to mind. You know, I grew up near Auburn. Auburn

593
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Speaker 1: people will claim until the end of time that they

594
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Speaker 1: were robbed being thirteen and oh they were robbed of

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Speaker 1: a shot play for a national championship the year that

596
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: it was I think Southern calin Oklahoma, and whether you

597
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: think they would have beaten them or not is irrelevant.

598
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Speaker 1: That was a really good team loaded with future NFL guys.

599
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Speaker 1: They didn't lose a game in a power conference, and

600
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Speaker 1: they were denied an opportunity that can't happen, that shouldn't happen.

601
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Speaker 1: It's never been a fifth ranked team that fit that

602
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: qualification of criteria. There have been some very good teams

603
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: that were left on the outside looking in. But check

604
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: out every one of the resumes and you'll see something

605
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: that they allowed to happen to themselves. Ohio State comes

606
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: to mind. They've been left out a couple times, and

607
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: you'll have some inexplicable blowout loss against Purdue or Iowa.

608
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Speaker 1: You're not going to sit there and tell me you

609
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Speaker 1: deserve to be in anything that it should be reserved,

610
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Speaker 1: should be very exclusive. You don't belong to be in

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Speaker 1: any club. Don't care how talented your roster is. You

612
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: don't belong in a club that is reserved for elite.

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Speaker 1: When you have that kind of blemish on your resume,

614
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: you do belong in there if you're in a Power

615
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Speaker 1: five conference without a blemish on your resume, like Auburn

616
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: was in two thousand and four. So I think four

617
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: is the right number. I wouldn't have any problem with

618
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: the BCS formula. But see, I think the committee's done

619
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Speaker 1: a good job at selecting the field. I have not

620
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: had a year where I thought they made an inexplicable

621
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Speaker 1: error in judgment. I know I get argument on that,

622
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Speaker 1: but I've gone back and forth with you guys, and

623
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: I've spoken my logic through to a conclusion that I

624
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: feel comfortable resting on. But yeah, that's a good question there.

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00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: I think that's something we could go more in depth

626
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: on in the future. Next up, Matthew on Twitter, do

627
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: you like having divisions and conferences? I personally really like

628
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve having no divisions and everyone just plays everyone.

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Speaker 1: This helps avoid the argument over who you played in

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Speaker 1: the cross division matchups and arguments that one division is

631
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: better than another in a conference. And you're right, Matthew. Yeah,

632
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, I would love to see everyone

633
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: play everyone round robin format. Now, you and I both

634
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: know there's a reality in the Big Ten and the

635
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Speaker 1: ACC and the SEC that we don't have in the

636
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: Big Twelve. The first thing that I tell a new

637
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: college football fan is forget the names of the conferences,

638
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: cause the Big Ten has fourteen teams and the Big

639
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: Twelve has ten teams, and none of it makes sense. Well,

640
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: we got some conferences out here with fourteen teams thirteen

641
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Speaker 1: if you don't count yourself and you can't play everybody,

642
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Speaker 1: So I don't know how we would go about structuring

643
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Speaker 1: that schedule, not to mention the fact that you only

644
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Speaker 1: play eight or nine conference games to begin with. So

645
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, Yet, it's nice to be able

646
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: to play everyone and you don't have to worry about divisions,

647
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: but when you have the structure that these bigger conferences do,

648
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: I think divisions are just the smartest way to go

649
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: about structuring your season, crowning two division champs, playing your

650
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: conference championship game, and that's in lieu of a perfect

651
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Speaker 1: counter Greg on Twitter. I know you've already talked about

652
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: the most hostile stadiums, but I'm curious what was the

653
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Speaker 1: loudest and the most intense moment covering a game down

654
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: on the field me personally LSU versus Alabama twenty fourteen.

655
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Speaker 1: The reaction to Yelden's fumble late in the fourth quarter

656
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: was by far the craziest scene I've ever witnessed. Greg

657
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: on Twitter, welly, Greg, this is a good question. I'll

658
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: tell you when it comes to my mind. I've been

659
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: in a lot of big ones, and maybe I'm just

660
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: trying to overthink the room here, because I mean, I've

661
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: been there for some big, big moments. But there was

662
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: a game so random. It was Tennessee under Butch Jones

663
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: at Alabama, and they went in there and Alabama's big

664
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: favorite over Tennessee and it was close game. At fourth quarter,

665
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: Tennessee's got the ball, they had the opportunity to put

666
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: a drive together to win the game. I want to

667
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: say the final was like nineteen to fourteen or something

668
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: like that. And Josh Dobbs, I think was the quarterback.

669
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: I think this is right. Could be wrong, though, But

670
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: what I know is Alabama batted a pass and I

671
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: think it just fell into Ashon Robinson's hands, or there

672
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: was a fumble. Alabama forced a turnover near their own

673
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: goal line and preserve to win. And boy, and that's

674
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: a rivalry. Hasn't been a rivalry on the field lately

675
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: to an outside observer, but there is full blown hatred

676
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: between the two fan bases. And if you know the history,

677
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: you know why. And man, that place came unglued. And

678
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: I remember I was covering the game with someone and

679
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: I was explaining the Tennessee Bama rivalry to that person

680
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: on the way to the stadium that afternoon or that morning,

681
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: and they were saying no, because all they've seen is

682
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: Bama dominate Tennessee. Well then they looked at me and said, WHOA.

683
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: I never expected this place to sound like this for

684
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: this game, of all games. This isn't the Iron Bowl,

685
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: this isn't Alabama versus LSU and then I had that

686
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: grin on your face, and those one or two times

687
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: per year that you're right on something, I had that

688
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: grin on my face. Let's see. Next up will go

689
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: with Epic College Football on Twitter. Do you ever think

690
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: the committee has selected what most view as the four

691
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: most deserving teams rather than the true four best teams.

692
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: While I might be in the minority here, I truly

693
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: believe Georgia was one of the four best teams in

694
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and nineteen but got left out at that

695
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: unfortunate number five spot, but in favor of a conference champion,

696
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: Oklahoma just wanted your thoughts on this. You know, this

697
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: is the difference between merit and true power rating. The

698
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: question I get all the time when I tell you

699
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: that I don't support auto bids of any kind. I

700
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: just support taking the most deserving teams. The immediate follow up,

701
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: someone says, is, Okay, well, if you're just going to

702
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: take the best teams, then why do they even need

703
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: to play the games? Just look at the recruiting rankings,

704
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: find who has the best roster, and take those teams.

705
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: And that's where I have to stop you. I never

706
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: said take the best teams. I say, take the most

707
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: deserving teams. So then your counter to that would be, okay,

708
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: what is deserving? And my answer is it's a blend

709
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: of power and merit. I do care how good your

710
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: roster is. I do care where a Vegas odds maker

711
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: would power rate you. But I also care equally what

712
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: you've done on the football field, and what you've done

713
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: on the football field sometimes eliminates you from the playoff,

714
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: even though you may be better, even though I may

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Speaker 1: favor you on a neutral field against a team I'm

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00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: going to put in the playoff. And you're right, You're

717
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: absolutely right to point out Georgia those couple of years,

718
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: because yes, Georgia, you know, in one of those years,

719
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Speaker 1: they would have been a touchdown plus favorite over that

720
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: Notre Dame team that went on to play Clemson. They

721
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: certainly would have been. But I didn't support Georgia being in.

722
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Speaker 1: And believe me, it would have greatly benefited me for

723
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: Georgia to be in that playoff. So if I were

724
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: selfish or being a homer in any case, I would

725
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: have wanted Georgia to be in. But I had to

726
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: be honest about it. Georgia didn't belong in and it

727
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: was self inflicted. You know, remember that year, Remember those years,

728
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: that twenty eighteen season for example. This is a year

729
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: right after Georgia lost in overtime in the National Championship game.

730
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: So they're on everyone's radar and they went to LSU.

731
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Speaker 1: They didn't just lose at LSU. They got spanked down there.

732
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Speaker 1: I think it was thirty six to sixteen was the final.

733
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: And then they went to the SEC Championship game and

734
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: they lost to Alabama. But the thing about it is,

735
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Speaker 1: I believe they may have been in the playoff even

736
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Speaker 1: if they lost that game to Alabama had they not

737
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: been blown out against LSU. You don't have to beat them,

738
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: just don't get blown out by him. And so that

739
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: was what cost Georgia. That lost to LSU cost Georgia,

740
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Speaker 1: And so I didn't have any problem with that. So yeah,

741
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Speaker 1: I think the committee, like I said earlier in the podcast,

742
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: I think they've done the right thing at every single turn.

743
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: And I was very fearful when we shifted to this

744
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: format that we were going to have situations where preference

745
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: was given to just the team with the best record

746
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: in lieu of using some common sense and understanding strength

747
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: of schedule and using your eyeballs instead of just paper.

748
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: But so far, so good to me. And we're, what's

749
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: seven years into this thing now, So I've been happy

750
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: so far. Erin on Twitter asks, I was wondering if

751
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: you could potentially talk a bit about what you think

752
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: Jimmy Lake will do as the head coach at Washington.

753
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: I'm a big Husky fan, and I'm interested to see

754
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: how you think will do the next few seasons. Erin,

755
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: it's a blind spot for me. This new hire. What's

756
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: not new hire. It's an elevation, it's promotion. It's kind

757
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: of a blind spot for me, the same way in

758
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: certain ways, the same way that Jeremy Pruitt being hired

759
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: at Tennessee was. Here's what I mean when you look

760
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: everywhere else, every pivot that's being made, every program alteration

761
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: that's being made, is being done to yield to offense.

762
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: And that's not necessarily what they've chosen to do. At Tennessee.

763
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: They're hiring a defensive head coach there in Jeremy Pruitt,

764
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: or at Washington they have chosen Jimmy Lake, an internal hire,

765
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: but the defensive coordinator. And so naturally. It's not a

766
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: pessimistic outlook, is just a cautious, wait and see approach.

767
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people in Washington feel

768
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: the same way. You can correct me if I'm wrong.

769
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: But I've had some of you guys in our comment

770
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: section and so sometimes in the email especially, I'll go

771
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: back and forth. And so I've asked some people. I've

772
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: asked couple of people who cover Washington what do you expect?

773
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: And they've kind of said the same thing I just did.

774
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: They don't really want to take stand on it because

775
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: they don't have a strong feel one way or the other.

776
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: I tell you, if I had a strong feel, if

777
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: I thought Jimmy Lake was just about to alter fundamentally

778
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: the style of Pac twelve football or Pac ten football,

779
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, I still stick on

780
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: Pac ten, then I would say it. But I don't

781
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: know that I feel that yet. And you have something

782
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: to overcome at Oregon too, So that's a game I

783
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: really look forward to this year, really look forward to it.

784
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: Samar on Twitter, what do you think of the culture

785
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: of college football in the Pacific Northwest? College football is

786
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: a religion in the South, It's huge in the Midwest,

787
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: but I've always thought it was underrated in Oregon and Washington.

788
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: Do you think there is a passionate fan base up

789
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: there that is fully invested, as you like to say,

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00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: and could support a national title winning program. Absolutely, I do,

791
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: Jim Halpert the Office, Absolutely I do. Yeah, I think that,

792
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: I think that maybe I think that maybe the pool,

793
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: shall we say, of all in fans is not as

794
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: big as it would be in the South, but it's

795
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: plenty big enough. Trust me, it's plenty big enough. So yes,

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00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: to answer your second question, they could support a national

797
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: title winning program up there. It's about getting the players

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00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: up there. They don't lack fan support at Washington, they

799
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: don't lack fans support at Oregon. The players. You got

800
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: to get the players, because understand where we're at right

801
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: now in the Pac twelve and in West Coast football

802
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: in general. Right now, there's a big difference. Oklahoma has

803
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: found this out in the Big Twelve. Actually, there's a

804
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: big difference in winning your conference, being good enough to

805
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: win your conference, and being good enough to win in

806
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: the playoff. See, Oklahoma has been good enough to win

807
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: their conference, they just got boat raced in the playoff.

808
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: So being good enough to do one thing may still

809
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: live a wide gap between being good enough to do

810
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: the next thing. What is it in the PAC twelve?

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00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: How far do you have to go past being good

812
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: enough to win the Pac twelve to being good enough

813
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: to win in the College Football Playoff? If you get

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00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: there are We're going to take a quick break here

815
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: when we come back. I know this one really sparks

816
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: a lot of conversation. We got Sims on Twitter with

817
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: one of those good old fashioned arguments between he and

818
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: a friend that he wants me to moderate. Which conference

819
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: is deeper, which one's better at the top, which one's

820
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: better at the mid level? Oh so, juicy, don't go away,

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00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, all right, We're back here. And

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00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: as I said, Sims on Twitter has a question slash

823
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: statement in no particular order. Here. My friend and I

824
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: debate about the Big Ten versus the SEC all the time.

825
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: He's a Nebraska fan. He claims the SEC is better,

826
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: but the Big Ten is just barely behind. He claims

827
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: Wisconsin is on the same level as Georgia. He also

828
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: says the Big Ten has more depth. I argue the

829
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: SEC is head and shoulders above the Big Ten, but

830
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: The Big Ten also has some teams like Minnesota who

831
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 1: are capable of hanging with good teams a couple games

832
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: out of the year, but they'll never compete for playoff

833
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: spots like five teams than the SEC could any given year.

834
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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts, Let's unpack this. I think the

835
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Speaker 1: SEC is very deep right now, so I don't view

836
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Speaker 1: it as particularly comparable. Here's where the best measure is.

837
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: It's not always this way, but here's where I think

838
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: the best measure is right now. And this is why

839
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to get really sidetracked here if I'm not careful.

840
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: So let me let me carefully craft my response. Sometimes

841
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: people love to use Bowl results as a definitive measurement

842
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: of conference superiority, and I've never believed in that. The

843
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: only way that I would believe in using Bowl head

844
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: to head matchups between conferences to gauge conference superiority is

845
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: if you lined up the seeds, if the number three

846
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: team in the SEC played the number three team in

847
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: the Big Ten, if number six in the Pac twelve

848
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: played number six in the Big twelve, then we'd learn

849
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: a lot. But sometimes you got the number two team

850
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: from one conference playing the number six team from another conference.

851
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: What does that prove to me? Of course, your number

852
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: two should beat my number six. The only thing we

853
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: would have to be concerned about is if the opposite happened.

854
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Speaker 1: So I've never cared about that. But here's what I

855
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: would do for this little exercise. I would line the

856
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: teams up and I would say who's at the top.

857
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: You could probably put Alabama, Ohio State, and those are

858
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: very comparable programs, So let's call that a wash. Well,

859
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: then you get in trouble if you're trying to defend

860
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: the Big Ten because right now, where are you going?

861
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: We're going LSU number two? What are we doing LSU

862
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: against Michigan? We're doing Georgia against Penn State? Is that

863
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: what we're doing? I think we know which way most

864
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: people are leaning, and let's take SEC and Big ten

865
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: fans out of it. Let's just use neutral observers. I mean,

866
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of Arizona and I'm giving you

867
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: an option between LSU and Michigan programs LSU and Michigan,

868
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: letting you choose Georgia or Penn State, where are you going?

869
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: I think nine times out of ten you're probably leaning

870
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: SEC on both of those and listen Wisconsin and Georgia

871
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: the comparison there a lot of people. I compared this

872
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, actually in a kind of

873
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: another format. But a lot of people in the South

874
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: love Wisconsin. They really respect their style of play. Their

875
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: respect Wisconsin's style of play because it reminds them of

876
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: the way that SEC football used to be played. But

877
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: the problem is, the roster at Wisconsin does not remotely

878
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: compare to the roster at a place like Georgia. That's

879
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: not comparable, And if they were to meet in let's say,

880
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: a regular season setting, I think it would probably look

881
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: a lot like notre name Georgia. Those were close games

882
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: they've played recently, and they've both been close games. But

883
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: at the same time, when you watch them, you understand

884
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: who's in control of the game the entire time, and

885
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: they understand what the limitations on the other side are offensively,

886
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: so therefore they play it conservatively, really close to the vest.

887
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: Bottom line, I think the answer is the SEC right here,

888
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: Gavin on Twitter? Next up, where do you believe is

889
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: the toughest head coaching job available or not in all

890
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: of FBS. I've answered this recently and I get a

891
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: lot of pushback on it. I just don't think people

892
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: listen to my qualifications. My qualifications are not where is

893
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: it the hardest to win? Because if that were the answer,

894
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: then we'd just say Vanderbilt, you know, I mean, we

895
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: would say just programs that have no shot Northwestern. Northwestern's

896
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: not winning the Big Ten, Vandy's not winning the SEC,

897
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: but no one expects them to. Where do you find

898
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: the most volatile mixture of reality versus expectation? And to me,

899
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: the answer is absolutely Auburn University. And it really has

900
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: nothing to do with where I grew up. It just

901
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: so happens that the program I grew up closest to

902
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: geographically is the answer here. And it goes back to this,

903
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: I don't care how much the head coach makes. Malson

904
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: makes seven million dollars a year. He could make seventy

905
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: million a year, and my answer would still be Auburn

906
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: because of the expectation there. The expectation is SEC Championship

907
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: College Football Playoff contention. You are competing against Alabama at

908
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: the height of the greatest dynasty in the history of

909
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: the sport. Your number two rival, Georgia is on the

910
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: precipice of a championship. Your number three rival LSU just

911
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: won the national championship. You're number four. If you can

912
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: go that deep, let's just say it's Texas A and

913
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: M who just invested seventy five million dollars on a

914
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: head coach in Jimbo Fisher, who has won a national championship.

915
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: By the way, over you look around you at Auburn.

916
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: Think about in any given year down the stretch until

917
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: they just changed the schedule, the landscape, the makeup of

918
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: Auburn's schedule. They had Georgia and Alabama at the very

919
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: end of the year. That's two top five caliber teams.

920
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: If they were to make it through that, they go

921
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: to Atlanta for the SEC championship game, that's a third

922
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: top five caliber team you'd have to play. If you

923
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: make it through all that, you go to a semi

924
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: final game, that's four in a row, top five caliber,

925
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: and then you play in a national championship game. To

926
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: win a championship at Auburn, over the last several years,

927
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: you will have had to play five top five caliber

928
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: teams over a six week spam to end the season

929
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: to win a national championship. Who's doing that. Nobody's doing that.

930
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: It's an insanely hard job. We talk about this a lot,

931
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: by the way, on the twenty four to seven Sports

932
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. It's free subscribe there, it's free. Michael on Twitter,

933
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: you know what, Michael asks something about Dan Mullen and

934
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart. Michael, I'm gonna push that one to a

935
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: Late Kick Live episode this week, maybe Thursday, maybe Sunday,

936
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: but that's going to be on a show this week.

937
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: Next up, Andrew the Fanboy asks how much of a

938
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: player's technique coverage, blocking, tackling, falls on coaching. How much

939
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: of it is talent? In other words, can you indict

940
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: a coordinator or a position coach for poor technique? Absolutely,

941
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: you can. There's a big difference between talent and skill,

942
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: just as there's a big difference between a stack of

943
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: wood and a finished house. You can have all the

944
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: material well, doesn't matter if no one knows how to

945
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: build something with it. So the best coaching staffs they

946
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: have to do several things. They have to go get

947
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: the talent, they have to get the materials, but then

948
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: they have to be able to build with the materials.

949
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: If you just get all the materials and then you

950
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: look around and say, all right, what do we do

951
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: with this stuff? I don't know, you don't know, we

952
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, then you know you're going four and

953
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: eight with a bunch of talent. Well, you got to

954
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: be able to develop it. So talent development, player development.

955
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's every bit as much the name

956
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: of the game as getting the talent in order to

957
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: develop it. So yeah, absolutely, I don't know who else

958
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: poor technique would fall on the problem, as I had

959
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: it explained to me one time by a head coach,

960
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: the problem that they had once upon a time with

961
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: their staff. I'm not telling you who it is, but

962
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: he told me. You know, I hired a lot of

963
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: recruiters to get my program off the ground. But then

964
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: I looked around and realized I didn't have teachers. I

965
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: just had recruiters. I had a bunch of guys who

966
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: were hoping and praying that the players knew how to play.

967
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: They knew all the fundamentals, they knew everything from an

968
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: execution standpoint when they got here, because they didn't know

969
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: how to do anything other than tell them what to do.

970
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: You know, I can tell you do this, do that.

971
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: If I can't teach you how to do it, and

972
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: you don't already know how to do it, we're in

973
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: big trouble. There's a big difference between telling someone to

974
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: do something and showing someone how to do something. It's

975
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: a good question, Robert. Next up, how to high school

976
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: recruits in hot beds such as Florida, Texas, California, and

977
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: Georgia become such good athletes? And what do states like

978
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: New York, who are not known for producing a ton

979
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: of great football players have to do in order to

980
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: get there or get on the path? Robert, I don't

981
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: think it's in the cards for a state like New York.

982
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: And the reason is very simple. There are just different

983
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: priorities in the state of Texas or Georgia or Florida

984
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: than there are in New York. If you grew up

985
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: in New York, you know, if you grew up in Brooklyn,

986
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: for example, there are certainly exceptions to the rule, but

987
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: you are playing basketball in all likelihood. If you're an

988
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 1: athlete there and you're starring in something, you're an elite athlete.

989
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: Chances are you're going to basketball route. Whereas if you

990
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: grow up in Videlia, Georgia, and you're an elite caliber athlete.

991
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: You may play basketball, but you're more likely to go

992
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: the football route, and it's all about priorities in those communities.

993
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with either way. Hey, you trust me.

994
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: You can make a ton of money either way. But

995
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: the second part is there aren't as many athletes in

996
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: places that you would think there would be because it's

997
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: a higher population and a whole lot of stuff goes

998
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: into that. There have been a lot of studies done

999
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: on that sort of thing. It's just priority, it's just

1000
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: culture that has a lot to do with it, and

1001
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: they're just more players. You know, if you have a

1002
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: group of five hundred kids from the state of Florida

1003
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: and you bring me a group of one hundred kids

1004
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: from the state of New York, I'm probably going to

1005
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: have more athletes in the state of Florida than New

1006
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: York simply because I had a bigger sample size there.

1007
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: So it's it's nothing you have to think too deeply on.

1008
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: It's just if you've been around those places, you start

1009
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 1: to understand it. Next up Josh on YouTube as someone

1010
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: from Scotland and my first sport being the other kind

1011
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: of football. I grew up with a division set up

1012
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: based on promotion and relegation from higher divisions to lower

1013
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: and vice versa. If the NCAA decided to do this

1014
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: for college football and had to create their divisions, what

1015
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: twenty teams would you have in the top division to

1016
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: start off with? Oh boy, okay, here we go. Are

1017
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: we ready? Our top division of college football? From the SEC,

1018
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: I would put Alabama in there, I put Auburn in there.

1019
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: I'd put LSU, I would put Texas A and M.

1020
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: I'd put Georgia and Florida Tennessee. We're going to give

1021
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: you a two year window. We're not going to start

1022
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: this format until twenty twenty three, and it's your choice

1023
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: as to whether you're coming along in the top division.

1024
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: You have the capability, but you're not there right now.

1025
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: Clemson is the loan participant from the ACC. We're putting

1026
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: Ohio State in From the Big ten, Michigan, Penn State,

1027
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to throw you in there as well,

1028
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: but I would like you to make my choice a

1029
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: little bit safer an easier. But you're both in there.

1030
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 1: From the Pac twelve, I'm putting Oregon and only Oregon.

1031
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: M From the Big twelve, I am putting Oklahoma and

1032
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: only Oklahoma in Texas. Your call, You're on the clock there.

1033
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: Notre Dame would be in this as well. That is

1034
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: my top tier, not tier one, not true tier one,

1035
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: but top tier for the purpose of structuring the sport

1036
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 1: that Josh asked me to do for college football right now.

1037
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: Jonas on YouTube, great name in Late Kickworld, terrible name

1038
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: in the movie Twister. I have heard you mentioned how

1039
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: you believe Florida needs to improve their recruiting to become

1040
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: a truly elite program. As a Florida fan, I agree.

1041
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: What do you think Florida needs to do? Think we

1042
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: kind of answered this earlier. Win games firstly, and what

1043
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: comes first, chicken or the egg? What comes first? Recruiting

1044
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: elite athletes or winning to get the elite athletes? Well,

1045
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's try a little bit of both.

1046
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 1: Florida has a good enough roster to beat Georgia this year.

1047
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: If they beat Georgia this year, I think they start

1048
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: winning a lot more recruiting battles. So I think, in

1049
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, in lieu of making staff changes,

1050
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: you just have to win games. You have to show

1051
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: kids we are capable of doing everything here that you

1052
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: claim you want to do right now. If I am

1053
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: a kid who has Dan Mullen coming in my living

1054
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: room and Nick Saban, for instance, coming in my living room,

1055
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: you cannot rightly look me in the eye and say

1056
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: we're doing everything here they're doing there. But if you

1057
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: start to beat Georgia and then go to the SEC

1058
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: championship game and at least get yourself in that conversation,

1059
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: then you can convince me, hey, we may not have

1060
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: that crystal football or whatever they give out now on

1061
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: our trophy case from the last few years, but we're

1062
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: right there. One or two more elite athletes like you

1063
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: could push us over the push us over the top,

1064
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: and I would buy that. AJ. Next up, what needs

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Speaker 1: to happen for a group of five teams to feel

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Speaker 1: like they're even in the same division as the Power

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Speaker 1: five schools. Ever since the playoff came to Fruition, it

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Speaker 1: almost feels like bowl games have lost their luster. I

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00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: feel like the college football ecosystem has failed these schools. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: AJ tough f love coming here. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: the ecosystem has failed them at all. The college football

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Speaker 1: ecosystem has sustained them what do I mean by that? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think we may be about to find out you

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Speaker 1: are never equal to an entity that subsidizes your existence

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Speaker 1: in their world. Right now, the Group of five, My

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00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: whole take on that is, the Group of five relies

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Speaker 1: on paychecks that they get from a lot of Power

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Speaker 1: five schools in order to exist financially, in order to exist.

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Speaker 1: I am never worried about whether they are viewed as

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Speaker 1: being on an equal plane. The G five is not

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Speaker 1: equal to the Power five. It's not an imaginary line

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Speaker 1: of demarcation. There are different worlds that these kinds of

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Speaker 1: schools exist in. And right now you've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of G fives that are very worried if the schedule

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Speaker 1: gets altered this year, they're going to lose their Power

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Speaker 1: five games that they cash a paycheck to play. And

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Speaker 1: you're talking about a lot of Group of five programs

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00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: just folding or worried about folding if they miss one

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Speaker 1: year of being able to play those Power five teams.

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Speaker 1: Power fives aren't worried about that. It's because they live

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Speaker 1: in a different world. You don't have to like it.

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Speaker 1: I know you don't like it, but I'm telling you

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00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: this conversation about this perceived inequality. It is inequality. They

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00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: are not equal. The G five is not equal to

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00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 1: the power five. If anyone tells you otherwise, then they're

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00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: fooling you. They are kidding you. It got a little

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Speaker 1: worked up there, don't know why, Fry Daddy. Next up,

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Speaker 1: how would you feel about expanding the playoff? Oh, Fry,

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Speaker 1: why do you do this to me? All right? He continues,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel about expanding the playoffs this year

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Speaker 1: to eight teams? And especially so if we play conference

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Speaker 1: games only. I believe with the COVID nineteen it would

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Speaker 1: affect a team or two with a deserving record that

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00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: might be on the outside looking in. Why not take

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00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: this year and use it as a test run for

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Speaker 1: the future, Fry. As I told you last week, I

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00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 1: am absolving myself from this. I understand the merits here.

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00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: It does make sense to me, and so if we

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Speaker 1: do it, I'll go along with it. And what I

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Speaker 1: think will happen is I think that we'll get a

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00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: bunch of blowouts in the first round that will further

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Speaker 1: prove my point. Knowing all the that even if we

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Speaker 1: have competitive games, it doesn't shoot my point down by

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Speaker 1: any stretch. But I think my point would be validated.

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Speaker 1: OJ asks good name there by the way, OJ, what

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Speaker 1: are some teams that are right on the cusp of

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00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: being in the Tier one except for Georgia because no

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00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: one cares about them? Well, that was classy. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there is anyone. We had a kind of a

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Speaker 1: version of this question last week. I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: any other program that is right on the cusp of

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00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: jumping into Tier One. Penn State and Michigan come to mind,

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Speaker 1: but I think that they're a little bit further than

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Speaker 1: being on the cusp. There are some things that have

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Speaker 1: to happen at both those programs that I don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: know could happen over the span of just one season,

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's what being on the cusp would mean.

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Speaker 1: Peter next up. I graduated from Missouri the year before

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Speaker 1: they moved from the Big Twelve to the SEC, so

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Speaker 1: the whole thing is still a bit foreign to me.

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Speaker 1: My days there were Chase Daniels, Jeremy Macklin, the Glory

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00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: days under Gary Pinkel, and I kind of I miss

1133
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: playing those Big twelve teams. We've had some success thus far,

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Speaker 1: but what do you make of the program's trajectory with

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00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: the new coach. Odum was a great DC, but it

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00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: was time for a change. Though I'm not sure if

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Speaker 1: Eli Drinkwitz is a bit green or not ready for

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Speaker 1: the conference yet. Peter, I have a great, big question

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Speaker 1: mark over Missouri. Drink Witz is a guy who if

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Speaker 1: you talk to coaches, they all speak highly of him.

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00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: I've heard him speak a few times. Nothing really jumped

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Speaker 1: out to me. But winning the press conference does not

1143
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 1: equate winning football games. I think we've learned that very

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Speaker 1: recently in spectacular fashion elsewhere, not at Missouri. The thing

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Speaker 1: about Missouri that you point you made here is they

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Speaker 1: don't fit. They don't feel like they fit in the SEC.

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00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: It's just like Nebraska and the Big Ten. I'd much

1148
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: rather Nebraska still be in the Big twelve, and I

1149
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: understand why the moves are made, and financially it is

1150
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: very much benefited both of those programs. But Missouri, if

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00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: you really believe the name of the game is winning

1152
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: on the offensive defensive lines here, I don't know how

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00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: Missouri consistently competes with who they have to compete against.

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Speaker 1: And that's understanding for a little while there, when Craig

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00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: Kuligowski was up there as the defensive line coach. They

1156
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: were pumping out some serious dudes on the defensive line.

1157
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: But that will eventually dried up and it hasn't repopulated.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, if you to be honest, if you

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00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: saw Missouri win a head to head recruiting battle against

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00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: LSU for a premier defensive lineman, what would you think

1161
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: that would be so noteworthy? Because it sounds so out

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00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: of the realm of possibility. And you've got to win

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00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of them like that. So if you don't

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00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: do it like that, how are you going to find

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00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: a way around that? And that's the challenge for any

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00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: head coach, Drinkwitz or anyone else at Missouri now and

1167
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Speaker 1: in the future. A quick reminder those five star reviews third,

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00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: and I promise last time I'm asking you for it today.

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Speaker 1: And all that does, again is it helps us gain

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Speaker 1: more traction in the algorithmic portions of these podcasts, different

1171
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Speaker 1: podcast channels, wherever you happen to listen. I know I'm

1172
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: really talking about Apple. That's really where you leave the

1173
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: five star reviews, the written reviews. But I acknowledge every

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Speaker 1: one of you, certainly I acknowledge every one of you

1175
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: tany gives me a nice shiny multicolored pie chart every week,

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Speaker 1: so I know exactly who's listening and where they're listening from.

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Speaker 1: And I don't care if you're listening on a phone

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Speaker 1: or through a tomato can with a wire attached to it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And again, we got a shout

1180
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Speaker 1: out earlier this week in the National Zoom meeting that

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01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: I pass or right along to you because it was

1182
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: because of you, So thank you for that and a

1183
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: reminder you can catch us on the twenty four to

1184
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: seven Sports YouTube channel for Late Cake Live every Thursday

1185
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: night and Sunday night at eight eastern seventh Central. And hey,

1186
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't think I've mentioned this, and

1187
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: I probably should. We will very soon be shifting to

1188
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: the three nights per week format once we get into

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01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: the season or very close to the season, so that

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01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: means Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday. But sh that's just between us

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Speaker 1: right now. We're not ready to make that move quite yet.

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Speaker 1: Until next time. For Taani, I am Josh Bate. Have

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Speaker 1: a great rest of the week, God bless, take care,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.