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Speaker 2: Today's episode of XRG see contains spoilers for the new

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Speaker 2: PTA film One Battle after Another and t Esque on HBO,

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Speaker 2: Hello and it is Jason Concepcio and on Merseay Night

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Speaker 2: and welcome next our vision of the podcast where we

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Speaker 2: dive the video favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture

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Speaker 2: company from our podcast where we're a prau few episodes

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Speaker 2: a week.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, we are doing a triple bill with

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Speaker 3: super producer Joel Money gets popcorn pop out one bottle

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Speaker 3: after another.

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Speaker 4: How is it? Do you like it? Do you like

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Speaker 4: Paul Thomas Anderson?

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Speaker 3: The people are going to have a conversation, and then

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have a timely.

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Speaker 5: Discussion about the return of Jimmy.

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Speaker 4: But first, One Battle after Another.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's welcome in super producer Joel to talk about

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Speaker 2: the latest movie from the acclaimed Los Angeles native director

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Speaker 2: Paul Thomas Anderson. His soft adaptation of the Thomas Pincher

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Speaker 2: novel of Vineland is out in theaters soon. It is

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Speaker 2: called One Battle after Another, and it's stars Leo Diocaprio

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Speaker 2: and many many others, Tianna Taylor, Chase in Finniti, Bisi

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Speaker 2: del Toro, Regina Hall. We saw it. Yeah, we have thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Jason, what were your thoughts?

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Speaker 2: I really loved it. I mean, first of all, I

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Speaker 2: think it's the most popcorn Paul Thomas Anderson movie since

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Speaker 2: Bogie Nights, the most sure watchable like sit down and

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Speaker 2: That has that he's done in a long time. Mileage

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Speaker 2: of all, it feels timely in a way that's not like,

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Speaker 2: doesn't have its hands around your neck. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: messages here and there are things that feel pulled from

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Speaker 2: current events, but it's a movie. It's an action comedy

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Speaker 2: movie story. It's not like Paul Thomas Anderson's pet message

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Speaker 2: lot as well. You know, all your thoughts.

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Speaker 6: I agree with you that it is a super commercial film.

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Speaker 6: It's really accessible for everybody. I think it's beautiful. There's

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Speaker 1: Chase scene in there that is going to leave you like,

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Speaker 1: just haunt it. You're like the Power film. It's so beautiful.

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Speaker 6: It's really giving like seventies independent action film at times,

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Speaker 6: but then it's also giving you like sort of French

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Speaker 6: you like post World War two Italian cinema. I kept

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Speaker 1: A lot in the Ruins of Rome. I think.

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Speaker 6: This film, to Jason's point, you're seeing a lot of

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Speaker 6: It's driving, like tensions build while all of that is

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Speaker 6: Against using black liberation as a backdrop for a story.

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Speaker 2: And here's what I appreciate about this, while acknowledging how

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Speaker 2: We're gonna visit these spaces that seem incredible and vibrant

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Speaker 1: An extent, because I think we get that so well.

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Speaker 3: you there was a scene where Perfidia calls Deandra and says,

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Speaker 3: Exactly and I think so, I think it is in

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Speaker 6: And then when you think about like Pete Heterson's pen like, wow,

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Speaker 4: And this movie cost one hundred and forty million, so it's.

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Speaker 2: Talking about this movie like I don't honestly.

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Speaker 6: A little bit Bookie Okay, not that it's anyway totally

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Speaker 6: Was like about how this was, like this is the

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Speaker 6: What white film critics tend to do. It's like if

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Speaker 6: Because this is a Jordan Peele produced film, and everything

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Speaker 2: With regards to that, With regards to the green bookiness,

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Speaker 6: The overpoliticizing of a movie, like when that when Green

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Speaker 6: like it's it's beautiful and a perfect representation. Like again,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're just doing a job.

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Speaker 2: And and there is nothing of that kind of.

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Speaker 4: Like, this is definitely like and also coming after a Licorice.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of was crazy to me to be like,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, move in this direction.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I love that.

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Speaker 2: That's a good you know Bee, I've said this before,

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Speaker 3: No, it's really crazy how good the action and the

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Speaker 6: Been in the spotlights, like like just around the spotlight,

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Speaker 6: but not like in it for a long time. And

439
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Speaker 6: I think her turn in this will hopefully get her

440
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Speaker 6: a lot more in the future.

441
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely awards show awards worthy.

442
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 4: I think we will see her getting it.

443
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 3: It's complex, it's funny, it's scary, it's sexy, it's sad,

444
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 3: it's intricate, and it also doesn't try to answer any

445
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Speaker 3: questions about.

446
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Speaker 5: The nature of like what you have to do to survive.

447
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: It's That's a good point, Rosie, because I think one

448
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 2: of the things I appreciated about this film was that

449
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 2: there are multiple characters that snitch, that rat like turn

450
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: on their friends and their community, and yet you do

451
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: understand why they did it. It's you have a consations, yes,

452
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: and you demonize show it, but when you see the

453
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: pressure being put on them, you're also like, what would

454
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 2: I get it? And I really appreciate it. Good good movie.

455
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Speaker 2: I'm really excited to see what the okay action is

456
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Speaker 2: to this.

457
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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, let's do a crazy I think

458
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Speaker 3: this could box office oh Man recommending. I think this

459
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 3: could open to as high as like fifty mili because

460
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 3: of the Leo and the CTA and the Benicio and

461
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: the crazy good reviews, and it's been a time of

462
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: people going back to the movie there. But I will

463
00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: also say I think Warner Brothers is doing something very

464
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Speaker 3: interesting by putting Sinners back in the movie theaters in October,

465
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: because I feel like this is very much the same audience.

466
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: So who knows, maybe maybe we'll get that big. You know,

467
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: there's only four movie theaters that show VistaVision, so it's

468
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 3: not going to be like Sinners where everyone's trying to

469
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: go and see that in this division because there's only

470
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Speaker 3: four theaters that do it. But it is going to

471
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: be an IMAX. It's going to be in perfect imax.

472
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 3: It's going to be in seventy mil. So I think

473
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Speaker 3: it could have the big screen. We need to see

474
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Speaker 3: this cine file response that this year has kind of

475
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 3: inspired in people. So I'm going to say I think

476
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Speaker 3: it could open as high as fifty.

477
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Speaker 4: Joel, what do you think?

478
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna say thirty three. Uh feels like a safe bubble.

479
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 4: I love it.

480
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: Same. I'm going to say, I'm going to say low thirty,

481
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Speaker 2: But I think word of mouth, air quotes, resistance, word

482
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Speaker 2: of mouth, I think.

483
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 5: Will build yeah and leg I think it's got.

484
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: Legs, and I think the fact that the cast is

485
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: so good and dynamic will give it big legs. I

486
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: think people will. I think word of mouth is going

487
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: to power this movie forward. And So while I do

488
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: you think it's gonna be a slightly low opening for

489
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 2: what is a very expensive movie, you know, for what

490
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: it is, for what it is, I think it will.

491
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: I think it will keep going and going and going.

492
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: Alla Sinners.

493
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting too, because I say, Pta

494
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 3: is definitely one of those guys that usually like me

495
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 3: and Jason will talk about in the same breadth as

496
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: like a Wes Anderson.

497
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Speaker 5: It's like, are you making money from these movies?

498
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: Bro?

499
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: Like where is the money coming from? Like how much

500
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: do you spend on them?

501
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 4: How do you not? Phantom Thread one of my all

502
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 4: time FAVD movies.

503
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 3: Not exactly a massive blockbuster hit, but this feels to

504
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: me like it could.

505
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 4: Have all of the momentum.

506
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: And and also I think part of the word of

507
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: mouth is gonna be if you live in Los Angeles

508
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: right now and if you are involved with helping out

509
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 3: your community.

510
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 5: There are moments in this movie.

511
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 3: There is like a ten minute one shot scene of

512
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 3: Benicio Delta Horror prepping everyone in his kind of storage

513
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: unit that they need to leave because they're going to

514
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: get raided by the police.

515
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: And it felt so true to.

516
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 3: La and the community of LA and the casual ease

517
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: with which people will choose to help each other out here,

518
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 3: and the way that kind of refuse to get sucked

519
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: up into like the trauma and the panic that the

520
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: government wants to put you in, and instead his character

521
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: is so easy and I feel like when people see

522
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: that sequence in particular, and I'm sure there's tons of

523
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 3: other sequences like that that I don't immediately like speak

524
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 3: to me in the same way. But I was like

525
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: texting people. I was like, this is to me, it's

526
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: crazy that this movie is still coming out right now

527
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: in the climate we're in. And I think one of

528
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 3: the cleverest things that Warner Brothers has done is to

529
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: just let the reviews.

530
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Speaker 4: Speak for themselves. Let those.

531
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Speaker 5: White critics that you expect say.

532
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: Oh, it's such a good blockbuster, not delay the movie

533
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: due to political issues, not delay and just let it

534
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: come out. And I think in that way it's also

535
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: going to make more of a splash. Me and my

536
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: editor at Den of Geek we were wondering whether when

537
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: that review embargo dropped, it was going to become a firestorm,

538
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: because there is the potential for it to be seen

539
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: very politically and in this moment and as an attack

540
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: on if people don't agree with this kind of movement.

541
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: But that conversation hasn't started, and I'm kind of loving it.

542
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: I'm kind I want it to have that big splash.

543
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: I agree, and if people don't like it, go out

544
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: and go out and make the go out and make

545
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: the pro ice round them up movie.

546
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly like, go for it. There's people making most

547
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 4: movies right now. That's fine.

548
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was great movie, Joelle. Thank you for coming

549
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: on and talking about it. I'm excited to hear more

550
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: as you're as you see it again. I want to

551
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: know when you see it with your dad, because we

552
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: all know he's a big cinephile.

553
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 4: I'm very excited because I.

554
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: Feel like it's also one of my favorite reviews I

555
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: read by David Erlick, who is a great critic Indie Wire,

556
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: but oftentimes I don't like agree. We like different kinds

557
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: of movies. He did a great review about how this

558
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: is like an ultimate like dad core movie, and I

559
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: really really liked that read on it, and I think

560
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 3: that could be its kind of place in history. Like

561
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: my one of my interviews that I wrote up, I

562
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: started it by being like, what if you know your

563
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 3: dad cared about you? That's basically the whole plot line

564
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: of this movie is like what if your dad actually

565
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: cared and was willing to like do some stuff for you?

566
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: And I was like, whoa man, that's kind of deep.

567
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 5: Like, So I'm very excited to you talk about it more. Anna, Yes,

568
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 5: let's go to a break and after we come back, you.

569
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: Will be joining us anyway to talk about a very

570
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: different kind of.

571
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 4: Dad core show.

572
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: And we're back to talk about Task. Task on HBO,

573
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: the new crime drama prestige television show created by Brad

574
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: Inglesby of Mayor of Easttown fame. Who didn't love the

575
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: who done it? Ness of Mayor of Eastown? I figured

576
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: it out by episode seven, but that's okay. I thought

577
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: it was extremely well made. He's back with Task, a

578
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: crime drama set in the Philadelphia Hinterlinz with a insane

579
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: cast including Mark Ruffalo, former soap opera actor Tom Pelfrey

580
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: in a breakout role, and a bunch of a bunch

581
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: of people from the British isles, including Amelia Jones, Faby

582
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: and Frankel and others. The show comes out on Sundays.

583
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: We have just had the third episode drop on Sunday

584
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: and we wanted to check.

585
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: In on it.

586
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: Who's Who's got thoughts about Task? I'm loving the show.

587
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 4: Yes, it's very dad core.

588
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: I'm kind of loving these stories where you follow kind

589
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: of two I like the hook of it being about

590
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: these two men and then it kind of growing out

591
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: from there.

592
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 5: That relationship is very interesting to me.

593
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: I think that Mark Ruffalo is actually a deeply underrated

594
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: dramatic actor because of being.

595
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: So well known now for being the Hulk. But if

596
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 4: you think about it, think.

597
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 5: About Zodiac, another one of my favorite movies.

598
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: By a white auta dude, like, I love that movie.

599
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: I think it's Finch's best movie. Maybe that or Gone

600
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: Girl or My two.

601
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 5: I love them so much, and Ruffalo is unbelievable.

602
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: In that movie.

603
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 4: I rewatched Zodiac so.

604
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: Much and as soon as you guys told me about

605
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 3: this and I put on that first episode and I

606
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 3: saw like the five minute kind of opening of him

607
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: starting his day.

608
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, yep, this is the Ruffalo.

609
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: You're like, it's like, sit the fuck down and watch

610
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: the show.

611
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: It looks great. It looks so.

612
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 6: Beautiful, one of the most beautiful and like even just

613
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 6: like just not even just like, oh, this is a

614
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 6: beautiful image, but like shot, arrangement and composition, like all

615
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 6: of it is just a constant build to like an

616
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 6: emotional familial space you just feel immediately for everybody.

617
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: This is the.

618
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 6: Least propaganda police procedural I've ever seen.

619
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: Like it.

620
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 6: Of like superiority about the police it doesn't try to

621
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 6: like elevate them at all.

622
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: It's it's so ingrained in this.

623
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Speaker 6: I think the idea of justice is where we're at

624
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 6: of like what what is justice?

625
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: What does that mean?

626
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 6: And in a world where we're really seeing like a

627
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 6: lot of people looking for like prison abolition and restorative

628
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 6: justice instead of just like an on the books justice system.

629
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Speaker 6: I think it's a really really compelling show from that angle.

630
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 6: And to have your lead be like a former preacher

631
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 6: who left not because of tragedy but because he found love,

632
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 6: and then who threw additional loving of people found himself

633
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 6: in tragedy, and it's trying to just make it like

634
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 6: to his next day every single day, like you can't

635
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 6: help but be completely like wrapped up in the narrative.

636
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 6: I didn't know what to expect from the commercials. I

637
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 6: was like, oh, you know, I think a lot of

638
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 6: times with HBO like mini series or like one season dramas,

639
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 6: sometimes I'm like this is just I just.

640
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: Then red with.

641
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was just they were just so depressing the

642
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 6: Night the Night of which again beautifully shot well performed

643
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 6: like wonderful, wonderful show, so sad, so depressing, or I

644
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 6: was like, I just don't even know if I can

645
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 6: hit play on the next episode.

646
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm so tired. This doesn't really have that vibe for me.

647
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 6: It's heavy, but it's not in the way that I

648
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 6: don't feel like can digest it. There's enough life in

649
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 6: it that you're like, Wow, I really want to see

650
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 6: what happens to these people.

651
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: So I'm loving task. I will be checking it out

652
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: weekly from now on.

653
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: I One of the things.

654
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Speaker 3: That I found very interesting about too, is like, I

655
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: don't know that I've ever watched the show about the

656
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: FBI or kind of a government, you know, law enforcement

657
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: agency that's about like what they probably actually do, so

658
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: committing like you've got to stop some robberies, targeting motorcycle

659
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: gangs like that to me was when I was like,

660
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Speaker 3: oh okay, I was like, wait a minute, this is

661
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: not you know, oh, there's a serial killer and you

662
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: have to find them on the loose, and it's not

663
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: the kind of procedure all you've seen before. And in

664
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: that way, I think almost the mundanity of what the

665
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: FBI is exploring allows it to move away from that

666
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 3: more kind of copaganda. CSI ncis kind of vibe.

667
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: What I like about it as well. I mean the

668
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 2: first of all, performances are incredible, including oh my god,

669
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: uh you know the noted dramatic turn from Tom Pelfrey,

670
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: who he's so good I think was on the bold

671
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: and the beautiful and go right now, anyone listening to

672
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 2: this pod google Tom Pelfrey and look at any image

673
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: of him him and then compare it to what he

674
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: looks like a task it's nuts.

675
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 4: And then.

676
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: The acting is so good. The accents are for the

677
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: most part right on, except for Fabian Frankel, who's a

678
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 2: good enough actor that you kind of don't care. He's

679
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: just yeah, he's close. But that said, the thing that

680
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: I love about this is how I know this show

681
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: is so well crafted. First of all, if it was

682
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: five percent less good, it would be a soap opera

683
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: because the turns, the twists are straight out of General Hospital,

684
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 2: like tight, you know, the robbery and they take the baby,

685
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: they baby and his son killed his wife by accident, and.

686
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 4: He's like, who's the leak. That's the big one we

687
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 4: need to know, is like who's the male?

688
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: Who's the mangle? That's another thing is they have they waited?

689
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: You know with Mayor there was the immediate who done

690
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: it aspect? Right? Who killed the girl? With this show,

691
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: they've kind they they waited to kind of sneak in

692
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: this who's the mole kind of who done it aspect?

693
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: And now we're at a point in the story where

694
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: there is both the mole who is informing the robbers

695
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: about the movements of the motorcycle gang and where they're

696
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: putting their fence and all. And we've kind of, I

697
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: think cleared that up by now, and now there is

698
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: a secondary who done it, which is who is leaking

699
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: information from the FBI Task Force to the to the bikers.

700
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: And I have my theories. Okay, here's my here's my

701
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: top two. Okay, Number one suspect Kathleen McGuinty from the FBI.

702
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: Tom's boss, Martha Plimpton. You see her now. She is

703
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: known hold On, She's known Tom as for a long time.

704
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: He's there, She's there in the flashback scene when when

705
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: he's welcoming is the kids he's adopted into his home,

706
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: the kid one of whom will go on to cause

707
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: the death of his wife in a tragic fashion. And

708
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,479
Speaker 2: so she's known this guy. She put him on the case.

709
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: She knows he's on his ass in a mess and

710
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: basically an alcoholic going through the worst time in his life.

711
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 2: Why not put this fucking hundred percent garbage dump on

712
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 2: this case because there's no way he'll figure it out.

713
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: That's my number one suspect.

714
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: I like that a lot because also I do feel like,

715
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: if it's a murder mystery show, nine times out of

716
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 3: ten you can guess who the murderer is by the costing,

717
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 3: and Martha Plimpton is it's not unreal costing, you feel like, yeah, well, Also,

718
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: I think something that is really interesting is like you

719
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: do have your big names.

720
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Speaker 5: But like that was the monologue with.

721
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 3: Like Freddie the drug lord kind of guy talking about

722
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: like how he was racistly and how he wants to

723
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: change the percentages.

724
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 5: With the money, and that moment.

725
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: Look, and I know this is crazy to say, and honestly,

726
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: we don't even really invoke this on the show a lot,

727
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: I think because of what we talk about, but obviously

728
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: all big fans of it here, but that moment was

729
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: giving the wire.

730
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: Like when they did that, I was like, so oh,

731
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 4: I was like, wait.

732
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: A minute, this could be a show that could expand

733
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: itself out and has it just in three episodes known

734
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: from seemingly being about just two guys to being about

735
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: this world that we never get to see.

736
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: That leads me to my second suspect. Oh my god,

737
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: Aliah from the Task Force. What if just because and

738
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: it's only because of process of elimination Anthony Grosso DJ

739
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: Grosso too easy, Maybe she's so disconnected from even her

740
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: fellow state trooper cops that it's it's really hard to

741
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: believe that she would have any connections to motorcycle gangs.

742
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: And so here's my pitch. First of all, it would

743
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 2: be such a change up if it was a Leiah.

744
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: And next, what if she has some sort of neighborhood,

745
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: family social connection to the drug dealer who gots who

746
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: we meet who got I forget his name now you

747
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: mentioned it, Rosie, Yeah, Freddy Freddy who got stomped out

748
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: by the biker gangs. And so she has some sort

749
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: of connect finger into that world. But but honestly, for

750
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 2: me right now, a dark horse compared to Kathleen McGuinty,

751
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: I love the Kathleen McGuinty because also as well, I

752
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: think something the why I did and why we talk

753
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: about it so much, and something I really love about

754
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 2: this show so far.

755
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: The humanizing of every single person in this everybody there

756
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 3: is no clear like even we know, like, let's be real,

757
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 3: American culture loves like a robber, you guys, love like

758
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: a burglar, a bank robber, a high It's like culturally beloved.

759
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 4: So I think, exactly right. So I think that.

760
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 3: Like the way that they're able to make the Tom

761
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: Polfree characters so engaging and believable is because everyone in

762
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: America has thought about what if I didn't have enough

763
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: money to pay bills for my family? Like I will

764
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 3: say this, guys, this is this. I think this is

765
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: a very icy, cold take. But if it's a hot take,

766
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 3: let me be roasted on it. But like I do

767
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 3: feel like a lot of the issues that modern America has,

768
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 3: and when it comes to poverty and when it comes

769
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: to crime, they are tied to the fact that people

770
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 3: have to pay for health and.

771
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 4: Pay for health care, you know.

772
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: And I think in a show like this, and why

773
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: I think that Marriby's Town was so fantastic and why

774
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 3: I think this is so fantastic is you rarely get

775
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 3: TV shows that are about like working class neighborhoods that

776
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: feel like real working class neighborhoods where people know each

777
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: other and have complex connections, and this show is reminding

778
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: me of that in a way that The Wire did

779
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 3: that felt like revolutionary then, and I still don't think

780
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: we get a lot of shows and movies that are

781
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: in that space. It's almost like give people a reality

782
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 3: of what it could be like.

783
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 6: It's giving sense of anarchy and a lot of it

784
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 6: is It's like, what if Opie was the main of

785
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 6: the show, he got a bad way, and then we

786
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 6: also follow this.

787
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: Mix with The Wire is not a terrible log line

788
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 3: honestly all.

789
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: It's really serving on all fronts.

790
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 6: It's a little to Jason's point about it being so

791
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 6: it's it's almost Shakespearean, and I imagine we're going to

792
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 6: build to a very dramatic conclusion. And I completely agree

793
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 6: with your theory, Jason, because that's the person it would

794
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 6: hurt the most coming from unless it's his his snobby

795
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 6: biological daughter that's doing it for some reason, that thing

796
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 6: absolutely knows sense. But she's the only one who could

797
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 6: maybe hurt him more. What agree I While we're talking

798
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 6: about what I love about the show so far, too

799
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 6: is like anytime somebody comes in for a single scene,

800
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 6: they're just smashing it, like, Oh, this is gonna be good.

801
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: No, I know doubt. That's like twelve main characters.

802
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 6: She's in here for seven minutes and she crushed this.

803
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 6: I was like, I hate you so much, and yet

804
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 6: I again, I understand your pain and where all of

805
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 6: this is coming. I could I understand why you're saying

806
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 6: all the terrible things you're saying.

807
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. The writing, Oh my gosh.

808
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 6: Can We also talk about male friendships on television rare,

809
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 6: and when we do see them a lot of times

810
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 6: it's like, oh, we're bonding specifically just over violence, or

811
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 6: specifically over women, or we're only friends because we have

812
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 6: the same career or whatever. But like the cultural bonds

813
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 6: of male friendship in this show, I just find so

814
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 6: charming and sweet and then of course devastating later.

815
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Ten out of ten. On the writing. I hope

816
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: they get all the nominations this year.

817
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: I want to talk about that because I love watching

818
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: the feature at the behind the episode scenes because again,

819
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: like eighty percent of this the cast is from the

820
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: British Isles.

821
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 4: It's really funny.

822
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: And first of all, they're all doing an incredible Like

823
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: the first feature it I'm like, oh them to like

824
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: and so it's incredible. But every single interview, it feels like,

825
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: is some version of this. Well, you know, I got

826
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 2: the I got the script, and I was heading out

827
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: to the launderette and so, you know, to get some

828
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: some cleaning done. And uh, I was supposed to go in,

829
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 2: but I made the bad choice of opening my script.

830
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: Our starts rates and I was just transported to a

831
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: world that on this Philadelphia millieu that I was, I

832
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: was sucked in. The writing was so amazing and it's

833
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: like that is every That's all anybody can talk about

834
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: in this future. They're right well excited to check back

835
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: in with this topic. Let's take a quick break and

836
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: we'll be back to talk about whether you should cancel

837
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: your Disney plus who at War?

838
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: We back?

839
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about boycotts. Jimmy Kimmel's back on the

840
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 2: air after a four days cooling on the bench because

841
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: four days because of pressure from regional television networks that

842
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 2: are I mean, listen, it seems like seeking to curry

843
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: favor with the administration for a proposed merger, wanted to

844
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: pull a noted critic of the president off the air.

845
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: Many people were upset about this, as you can only

846
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: be upset when when a wealthy, funny, charming white guy

847
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: is pulled off of.

848
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 4: His late night TV show that's been on for twenty years.

849
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: But listen and truly and absolutely infuriating. Yeah, it was

850
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: an important, infuriating attack on free speech, and a lot

851
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: of pressure came out of that, including a spontaneous kind

852
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: of grassroots movement to cancel Disney Plus Hulu and kind

853
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: of that that suite of platforms. We saw it in

854
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: our discord, people talking about it, whether it's the right

855
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: thing to do, and it certainly does seem as if

856
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: that pressure, along with under pressure, got to Disney, and

857
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: thus Kimmel is back on the air, although still being

858
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: preempted in the what I thought the country that is

859
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: that it has these television networks. So I don't know.

860
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: I've just been thinking about it, like the efficacy of

861
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: boycotts specific to this kind of thing, Do they work?

862
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: And what should people do?

863
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 3: So I think this is a really interesting conversation, and

864
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: I think it's right that we're having it right now,

865
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: because this does feel like over the years we've seen

866
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: many attempt at boycotts. There has been a lot of

867
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: conversation about weycotting during everything that is going on with

868
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: genocide in Gaza, like, there has been a lot of

869
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 3: stuff going on where we have to have these conversations.

870
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 3: But it is very rare that naturally organically you just

871
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 3: see loads of people who you don't usually see engaging

872
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 3: in political speech or political posts choosing to take down

873
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 3: their Disney plus choosing to unsubscribe. I've seen people do

874
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: this before, but I saw it in a way that

875
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: felt very widespread, though I felt like it was just

876
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 3: in my bubble, But I do believe that in this case,

877
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 3: I think that the amount of people who were willing

878
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: to do this surprised Disney and ABC, and I feel

879
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 3: like that's why the resolution was so quick. We have

880
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: not gotten like full numbers and we likely never will

881
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 3: about how many people canceled, but there are many different

882
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: people talking about the stock prices that dropped, you know,

883
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: the way that a boycott of an artist or a creator,

884
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: I mean one of the great kind of you know,

885
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: other huge moments in this that one of our super

886
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 3: producers pulled is like when Adidas had to drop Kanye West,

887
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: and they lost like one point three billion dollars in

888
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 3: yeasy shoe inventory that we haven't sold. And obviously we

889
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 3: can look at like as well, how racism impacts who

890
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 3: adidask does or does not decide to work with after that,

891
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: It's very complicated.

892
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 4: But I think there.

893
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 3: Are moments in time in the last five ten years specifically,

894
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: where these boycotts have kind of started and bubbled up,

895
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: but we haven't seen any direct impact. I think there

896
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 3: must have been some kind of direct financial impact that

897
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: was bigger than Disney had counted for, because they knew

898
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 3: people were gonna do this as some kind of response,

899
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 3: but I don't think they foresaw how many people would

900
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: care about it. That's my feeling on this one specifically.

901
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: I feel like in this case, it looks like it

902
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 3: at least scared them enough to speed up this process.

903
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 4: Joelle, what do you think.

904
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 6: I come to boycott's obviously through black liberation and civil

905
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 6: rights movements.

906
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: This is my understanding of boycotts and where they come from.

907
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 6: And I think when we think about boycotts are thinking

908
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 6: about like, what's the goal of a boycott.

909
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: I don't think.

910
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 6: People presume that, oh, if you're boycotts and then you

911
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 6: want it to end. It's almost never the case. It's

912
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 6: really about changing a behavior or a pattern or ending

913
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 6: a discriminatory practice. And so in that case, I think

914
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 6: they work really well. Like we oftentimes see. We can

915
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 6: look at Target. Currently, Target's hurting bad financially. Their headquarters

916
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 6: is in the city where George Floyd was killed. A

917
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 6: lot of black folks were really pissed when they rolled

918
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 6: back their DEI initiatives at the top of twenty twenty

919
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 6: five posts the Trump election, and every quarter they been down.

920
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 6: I have not been back to a Target since. I

921
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 6: don't know if I'll ever return. I used to be

922
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 6: so absolute Target. I used to be at Target multiple

923
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 6: times a week. I don't know if I'll ever go back.

924
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 6: And it happened like overnight, and so to that, I

925
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 6: think you're looking at like when do you jumping on boycott?

926
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 6: Like you can make the moral decision to be like,

927
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 6: I don't want to put money towards you. I know

928
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 6: a lot of people are doing their best to boycott Amazon.

929
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 6: Some of you have been very successful, some people are struggling.

930
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 6: But I find that boycotts tend to work best when

931
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 6: a you understand there's a longevity to it. Like one

932
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 6: of our most successful boycotts as a nation is the

933
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 6: Montgomery bus boycotts. It took a year to get changed

934
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 6: ratified over that, and that's really a year from the

935
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 6: Rosa Park sitting down, which is there are years before

936
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 6: that of trying to get change and adjusting things. And

937
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 6: so I think there's a lot to be said about like, hey,

938
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 6: I have a moral issue with you. I'm not going

939
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 6: to give you my money. I think boycott's work best

940
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 6: when it is a large group of people actively dedicated

941
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 6: to it. Like so when we're looking at what happened

942
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 6: with Kimmel and Disney, you know, Disney's being attacked from

943
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 6: the unions, which we have some of the strongest unions

944
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 6: in Hollywood, like.

945
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: Not to the Writers Guild Union.

946
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 6: Is they're coming up against them. That's bad news for

947
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 6: you. You're losing sleep, Your lawyers are shit.

948
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, WGA is not afraid. You can't pook with that

949
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: statement out there and start it the.

950
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 6: Fire and SAG very similarly and they did mm HM

951
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 6: and SAG is similarly very aligned and motivated, and so

952
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 6: from an industry perspective, that's really scary. Because they can

953
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 6: get people to stop showing up from work. Then from

954
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 6: you know, Disney Plus is really important to Disney as

955
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 6: a brand. Right now, they're shuddering Hulu to sort of

956
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 6: move it into this space if people don't have it.

957
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 6: You know, that's how we're funding a lot of our

958
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 6: shows right now. Like that's really harmful. So then now

959
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 6: you're on a customer thing that's difficult. But now they're

960
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 6: also facing from the other side, like their broadcasters are like, hey,

961
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 6: you can bring them back all you want, but we

962
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 6: will not be It's it's a clusterfuck of a place

963
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 6: to sit in. But I think that because you know,

964
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 6: if your workers and your customers are not on your

965
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 6: it doesn't really matter if your business partners want you

966
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 6: to do something else. You have to make money and

967
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 6: out of product. So yeah, I think Boycott's do work.

968
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 6: I think it not always, and really only when people

969
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 6: are actually dedicated long term to seeing that change made.

970
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's tough. I wanted to call out

971
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: a comment that I saw in our discord. This person

972
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: wrote regarding canceling Hulu or Disneyplus and FX that suite

973
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: of platforms altogether. I have three kids with autism. My

974
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: youngest one loves Pixar cars and the first thing he

975
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: does when he gets home is watch his cars in

976
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 2: his specific order. And this person then went on to write,

977
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: you know how important these platforms are to her family,

978
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: and that it's just simply not feasible. And that's the

979
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: thing that you know, I've thought about a lot. I

980
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 2: am slightly on a pre preface what I'm about to

981
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: say by saying, like, I understand how the world works. Okay,

982
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,479
Speaker 2: Jimmie Killble is a very famous guy. He's on Network TV.

983
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: People know who he is, people see themselves in him

984
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: because of his success and how mainstream he is. So

985
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 2: I get it that pulling O off the air is

986
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: going to scare the folks who maybe felt like, you

987
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: know what, this is terrible right now, But I'm not,

988
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: like really, I'm not actually getting touched like I think

989
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: this is terrible, but like more or less, like I

990
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: go about my day. And it has irked me a

991
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: little that it's like this is the thing that got

992
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: a wide swath of people like involved in saying no

993
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: more when people are literally being snatched off the streets

994
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 2: and dragged to unaccountable prisons to face possible deportation to

995
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: countries they don't even come from. That's like, it's crazy me.

996
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: I understand how the world works. And so that's the

997
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: thing I also wanted to just note is that but

998
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: we should use all the pressure that we have that

999
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: we can use, and that there's different lines for everybody.

1000
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: There's simply different financial thresholds, different social thresholds, like I'll

1001
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 2: never go into a target again. No target is also

1002
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 2: not my only option.

1003
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 5: Exactly, and there we don't live where there's a food.

1004
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: And so just like recognizing that people are going about

1005
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: resisting things that they are disagreeing with in different ways

1006
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 2: and in ways that you know, it's the system that

1007
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: is being applied right now is very very powerful, and

1008
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 2: part of the way it gets its hands around you

1009
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: is financially people simply can't afford to do more protesting,

1010
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: to boycott this and that, or to not go to

1011
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: the only store that's close to their home. And I'm

1012
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 2: glad to see this worked and hopefully it will continue

1013
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 2: to work, but it's not this easily cut and dried

1014
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: thing where you know, I'm seeing a lot of people

1015
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: say you've got you must cancel your and I agree

1016
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: with that to it to an extent, but it's not

1017
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 2: that easy. I guess.

1018
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1019
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 3: I'm trying to say I loved that you brought that up, Jason,

1020
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 3: because I think something that you touch on is a

1021
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 3: there's not one version of boycotting or direct action or

1022
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: mutual aid that works for everybody. And there's going to

1023
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 3: be people whose systems and security networks and spaces and

1024
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 3: amount of money they have. Like when I was a

1025
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 3: young person in London, I couldn't boycott nothing because I

1026
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 3: didn't have any money.

1027
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, So there's also that.

1028
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 3: Element where it's like there is a survival aspect to

1029
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 3: life where some people are going to be surviving. And

1030
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: I don't think that there's any good that comes from

1031
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 3: judging whether or not somebody else is doing what you

1032
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 3: think they should do, don't you know that's kind of

1033
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, go for it.

1034
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 6: I was just gonna say, in addition to that, you know,

1035
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 6: I think we to Jason's way. It is entirely frustrating,

1036
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 6: especially you know, we live in Los Angeles, so this

1037
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 6: stuff is very much in our faces about like you know,

1038
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 6: people are there pulled off the street.

1039
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: It's horrifying.

1040
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 6: But I would say we understand how to talk to

1041
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 6: a network as a people, as an American people, we

1042
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 6: know when you mess with our TV, like we know

1043
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 6: how to boycott.

1044
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: We know how to bring you our TV shows back,

1045
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: and we know how.

1046
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 6: Like here's a direct line of communication and a direct

1047
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 6: dollar exchange which we can easily impact. That I think

1048
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 6: makes that communication easier h versus something like immigration.

1049
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: Where do you start, Like where do you Okay, Mountain

1050
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: Street a marketing with people?

1051
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 6: Then what like I've offered a house and babysit this

1052
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 6: is then what like it's just it's such a prolonged

1053
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 6: multi problem is you But Jimmy Kimmel think it's just

1054
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 6: so much.

1055
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: It's such an.

1056
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 6: Easier direct line of attack to to feel very easy. Yeah,

1057
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 6: it's super It was super easy to like figure it.

1058
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1059
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 3: So also maybe I'm just hoping Joelle, let me know

1060
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: what you think about this, but maybe the ease of

1061
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: that solution can inspire people to understand that there are

1062
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: different versions of it. It doesn't always it is constant work,

1063
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 3: but there's little wins that you're going to be able

1064
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 3: to have through organizations like this, but they're not the

1065
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 3: only wins.

1066
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: And I think.

1067
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 6: That's you know, to Jason's point of just like you know,

1068
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 6: yes it's frustrating, and yes you may feel like, well

1069
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 6: it's so easy, why don't you just do it? But

1070
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 6: people have a lot of different situations going on, and

1071
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 6: so I think figuring out like where you can get

1072
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 6: in and be most successful in your own lane is

1073
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 6: really vital. Like I saw somebody else, They're like, I

1074
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 6: feel like all I can do is like just post

1075
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 6: that I don't like these things, and somebody else was like, yo, okay,

1076
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 6: but I wouldn't have known about these things if you

1077
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 6: hadn't posted them. It's been helpful to me, to be exactly.

1078
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 6: And then that's just one more person, and that's not nothing.

1079
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 6: So it seems insurmountable. I think the most important thing

1080
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 6: to remember is like, long term, this is a long

1081
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 6: term goals we have is going to launch a lot

1082
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 6: of time to get things done and moved across the line,

1083
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 6: and so just being patient and sticking with it is

1084
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 6: really you know. I think that's the lesson we can

1085
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 6: take away from boycotts is like patience inconsistency.

1086
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: Will absolutely well, let's take a quick break and we'll

1087
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: be back with our Friday. We're back, Thank Glactus, it's Friday.

1088
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 3: Face up.

1089
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: We must ask the man from Paris.

1090
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 7: He's not the man from Paris, the man in Paris

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Speaker 7: and now back.

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Speaker 4: No, this isn't your friend.

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Speaker 2: Now are of visually French now and we want to

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Speaker 2: know what who did in Paris? We tried to ask

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Speaker 2: him before the bikes went on. He said, I have

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Speaker 2: no thoughts about one of the most famous and now

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Speaker 2: we are affording it. We must know what did you

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Speaker 2: do in Paris that you enjoined? Wow?

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Speaker 8: Wow, okay, I'll come up with some thoughts in real time.

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Speaker 8: Then I enjoyed a lot of things.

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Speaker 7: So we did a I went with a group.

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Speaker 8: Of friends and we did a croissant baking class, which

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Speaker 8: was so much fun. Actually, our instructor was so lovely.

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Speaker 8: Our instructor did bring up Charlie Kirk, but kind of

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Speaker 8: side stuffed it very quickly.

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Speaker 4: So make.

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Speaker 2: We don't even want to understand. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: know how that came up in the midst of a

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Speaker 2: croissant class.

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Speaker 8: But it was a very small comment and we all

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Speaker 8: moved on very quickly. But no, it was such a

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Speaker 8: lovely chissant class. I learned some fun facts about how

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Speaker 8: in France, butter is different and butter is much better. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: something about it's eighty two percent fat is the limit

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Speaker 8: to be called butter. Eighty one percent is margarine, whereas

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Speaker 8: in the US butter is considered like sixty Anything with

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Speaker 8: like sixty percent fat is butter. So we just have

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Speaker 8: like shitty butter here and the French would call it margarine.

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Speaker 7: Beyond the class. You know, I did the touristy stuff.

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Speaker 7: I'm a bit of a history buff.

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Speaker 8: So Arc de Triomphe Napoleon's tomb, we did not Tre Dome.

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Speaker 8: I was telling everybody my hot take earlier that Notre Dame.

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Speaker 7: Was like a little bit overrated. It's just like just

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Speaker 7: a church and a belt.

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Speaker 2: It's the new build. It's been famously some years ago

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Speaker 2: and is just been rebuilt. Yeah, so it's the it's

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Speaker 2: a fresh rebuild.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's much like the ship of theseus, Like is it

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Speaker 2: even Notre Dame?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I will say little fun facts that made the Notre

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Speaker 8: Dame visit fun for us is we showed up and

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Speaker 8: there was just like secret service everywhere and like boats

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Speaker 8: and like men with big guns walking around. And uh

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Speaker 8: then our tour guide informed us that Manuel Macrone was

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Speaker 8: scheduled to speak at Notre Dame later that day because

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Speaker 8: they were opening up the the I.

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Speaker 7: Forget which tower west or east.

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Speaker 8: One of the towers was done with the reconstruction, and

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Speaker 8: it was the grid opening of it. Marone was gonna

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Speaker 8: be there. We didn't see Macron. We didn't stick around

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Speaker 8: for that. We had other other Paris things to do

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Speaker 8: outside of that, a lot of shopping, a lot of

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Speaker 8: like really classic vacation stuff.

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Speaker 1: It was fun.

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Speaker 7: Paris is great. I highly recommend what.

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Speaker 2: Is the best thing you ate?

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Speaker 3: Mm?

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Speaker 7: Okay? I oh god, okay.

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Speaker 8: I get asked this every time I go on vacation,

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Speaker 8: and I every time I have to reveal that I'm

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Speaker 8: actually a picky eater.

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Speaker 7: I'm not a foodie. I don't travel to eat.

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Speaker 2: I know this is like an embrass literally.

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Speaker 7: I had a macrone at McDonald's, so like outside the

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Speaker 7: Arc de Triomph, the McDonald's is.

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Speaker 5: Like, Okay, it was the McDonald's macarone delicious.

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Speaker 1: It was not.

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Speaker 8: I don't recommend go to any other but any other

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Speaker 8: machir own place. I had macarones from a number of

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Speaker 8: different places.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I gotta say.

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Speaker 3: Which which travel agent is gonna, you know, sponsor us,

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Speaker 3: so who can do honest tourism because I'm loving miss

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Speaker 3: I'm like, we gotta.

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Speaker 7: I travel for the history.

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Speaker 8: Like I went to Italy last year and I like

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Speaker 8: legitimately cried walking into the coliseum because I was just

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Speaker 8: like so in awe walking in.

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Speaker 7: To a space like that.

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Speaker 8: So like I travel for the I travel for the

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Speaker 8: sweet treats. There are definitely a lot of yummy pastries

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Speaker 8: in Paris. But yeah, I'm sorry, I'm not a foodie.

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Speaker 8: I really can't rattle off anything fancy.

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Speaker 4: I I love this.

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Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with McDonald's macaron. Well are you back in

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Speaker 3: are you back in America?

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Speaker 4: Right now?

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Speaker 8: I'm back in America unfortunately getting on a flight again

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Speaker 8: this weekend from my mom's birthday.

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Speaker 7: So, like I have.

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Speaker 4: A I was gonna say, what are you doing this weekend?

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Speaker 2: Just flying again? Well let me ask you. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: one thing, Well we'll end We'll end this segment with this,

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Speaker 2: because I think this is enough of a of a

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Speaker 2: wonderful crack into the vacation to Paris that so many

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Speaker 2: of us dream of one thing that Paris does better

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Speaker 2: than New York that New York should do Paris.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I think this is generally a europe thing.

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Speaker 1: But on the.

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Speaker 8: Wh when it comes to like just plazas, I think

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Speaker 8: Europe really cracked the idea of a plaza where there's

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Speaker 8: like no cars, no bikes. It's just like a huge

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Speaker 8: area for people to walk around in and little shops

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Speaker 8: to dive into and cafes to sit there and like

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Speaker 8: smoke and eat and whatever. We just I miss that

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Speaker 8: when I come back to the US, I'm just like,

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Speaker 8: where can I just like not be surrounded by fucking

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Speaker 8: like cars and bikers, especially in New York City. Where

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Speaker 8: can I just go and quietly hang out in peace?

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Speaker 8: And So that's something that France and I think most

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Speaker 8: of Europe does better.

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Speaker 2: Nice well more plaza. Welcome back to thank you, read

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Speaker 2: to be back then they need us, salute us, Welcome

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Speaker 2: back to the Greatest country on Earth takes in this

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Speaker 2: particular episode.

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Speaker 4: What's anyone else doing this weekend? Nothing?

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Speaker 3: Just be enjoying the best country of the last Hey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. On the next episode of X ray Vision, we're

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Speaker 2: diving into the week's biggest news. Plus, you will hear

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Speaker 2: our interview with Dave Shilling the author of Horror's New

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Speaker 2: Wave fifteen years of Blumhouse. It's a really actually fastating conversation.

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Speaker 2: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, Bay, Goodbye.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Spcion and Rosie

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Speaker 2: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abusafar.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay wag.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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