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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your

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Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys like Ted Lambs and now your hosts. Brian

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Speaker 1: brought us David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, Dane Bruvler, Jeff Kavanaugh,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeomans. Don't you just love hearing

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Speaker 1: all of those names back to back to back to back.

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Speaker 1: Eighty six combined years of draft coverage within seven panelists

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Speaker 1: that you just heard for the twenty twenty twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one Cowboys Draft Show. It's one hundred and forty six

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Speaker 1: days out, but we're talking some Cowboys draft. Welcome in

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Speaker 1: to the first episode of the twenty twenty one Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Draft Show. Kyle Yeoman's driving the bus this year

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Speaker 1: as I did last year. But man, I am a

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Speaker 1: of panelists and we're starting things off with the right way.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say that by welcoming back. Mister Brian brought

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Speaker 1: us back to the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Bracton Draft Show.

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Speaker 1: You see David Helmet up in the top right hand corner.

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Speaker 1: Then we've got Bucky Brooks also making his return. But Brian,

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Speaker 1: first off, glad to have you back full time here

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Speaker 1: on the Draft Show. It's a privilege for me. Somebody

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Speaker 1: who's listening to you for years, has gotten to work

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Speaker 1: with you a little bit. But now hey, you're back,

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Speaker 1: and you're back for good. Well, thank you, and it's

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Speaker 1: great to be back with you guys. The Draft Show

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Speaker 1: is such a big part of what my career has been,

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Speaker 1: It's really it's exciting because I mean, Dave, you and

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Speaker 1: a crazy twenty twenty draft process. It gets even crazier

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Speaker 1: and I have had these conversations before, but it's just

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Speaker 1: more excited. I know you're pumped about it, though I

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Speaker 1: But now we're just doing the whole thing pandemic style.

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Speaker 1: We're starting in December, which, like we've always joked about it,

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Speaker 1: Actually two double bees because Bucky's along for the ride

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Speaker 1: this time too. I mean, I'm I'm beside myself. I'm pumped.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Bucky. How you've been down there and

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Speaker 1: And since we're Thorne Verbibal case that Brian brought us,

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton lots of credit for pulling together really an

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Speaker 1: that they general managers know which scouts can really dig.

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Speaker 1: And there's some teams out there, guys, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Bucky and I have fortunately came from a team where

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Speaker 1: you know, as a scout, you put your you put

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. But there's some teams that have guys

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Speaker 1: that just go out and gather information, you know, and

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Speaker 1: then somebody else makes the call on whether to set

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Speaker 1: and so that could be a little bit difficult because

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Speaker 1: if you're a scouting department that's based on information gatherers,

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Speaker 1: you're going to be in a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: bind now when it comes to that, because now you're

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Speaker 1: really you're not going to have enough eyes on these players,

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Speaker 1: and it's up to these general managers. And if I'm

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Speaker 1: an owner, I'm looking at my general managers saying, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what do you gut on this guy? What's you're feeling

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Speaker 1: on this guy? You know? And I think that's where

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Speaker 1: owners need to be a little bit more understanding. But

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Speaker 1: we'll see how it all plays out. I think there

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Speaker 1: will be a separation in teams, and Brian and I

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Speaker 1: have talked about this and nauseum. There's a difference between

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Speaker 1: information gatherers on their scouting staffs. And what you will

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Speaker 1: see in these drafts like we saw last year's draft

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Speaker 1: and this year's draft, those teams will separate themselves from

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Speaker 1: the others because they have guys that understand exactly what

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Speaker 1: they're looking for. They can look at the tape, that

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Speaker 1: can make solid assessments, and they can project actually more

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Speaker 1: times than not power players going to play at the

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Speaker 1: next level. Those guys, those teams was shine in this process.

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Speaker 1: This pandemic won't bother them all because they're confident that

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Speaker 1: they have enough guys that can evaluate exactly what players

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Speaker 1: are when they look at the team Lucky. Where do

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Speaker 1: you think the Cowboys fall into that category? Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think I think they're an evaluation team. I think

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Speaker 1: with Will Clay and those guys like I think they

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Speaker 1: do a women play. They do a really good job

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Speaker 1: of looking at players and being able to project it.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that I've ever had an issue with

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Speaker 1: them the lower rounds. It was all small school directional

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Speaker 1: schools that were coming in, and I'm more towards give

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Speaker 1: me big school. I've seen them playing big games. I

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Speaker 1: knew exactly what they are. They may not be the best,

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Speaker 1: but at least I know from a floor standpoint where

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Speaker 1: there are I'm more likely to gamble on what a

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Speaker 1: guy's how floor is as opposed to he he could

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Speaker 1: be his selling as this so that's the thing. It's changed,

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Speaker 1: but it used to be the Cowboys were into the

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Speaker 1: smaller schools. Yeah, I agree with Bucky on that. I

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Speaker 1: think the thing with the Cowboys, the way I would

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Speaker 1: evaluate them, is that you've got some guys. You've got

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Speaker 1: some crusty guys like me that have been out there

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Speaker 1: on the road for a while. You know, guys like Bucky.

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Speaker 1: You know, not that Bucky's pull, but he's been out

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Speaker 1: there on the road and seeing all this. So what

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Speaker 1: you have is those those crusty guys though, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they know, they know they have to go out there,

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Speaker 1: they know they have to look at the tape, they

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Speaker 1: know they have to make a call. The one thing

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys do is, and I don't know if every

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Speaker 1: team does this, but the Cowboys are assigned positions to

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Speaker 1: evaluate his cross checkers. So, for example, you know you

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Speaker 1: might have a scout Drew fe a Beionage, which is

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Speaker 1: a national scout. He might do the linebackers, and he

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Speaker 1: might have to be responsible not only for all the

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Speaker 1: national players. He covers the whole area, but then he

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Speaker 1: has to cover the linebackers as well. So what you're

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Speaker 1: doing is you're basically saying Okay, I trust you as

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Speaker 1: a national scout to handle this. I also trust you

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Speaker 1: to tell me what the best linebackers are in this draft.

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Speaker 1: So if you're responsibly like that on your scouts, you're

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Speaker 1: trusting them to be able to make the evaluations and

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Speaker 1: to build off that too. Pull's favorite line. He's got

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Speaker 1: a few favorite lines. He loves to be boring in interviews,

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Speaker 1: but will loves to talk about. He basically tells his

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Speaker 1: scouts that you are the general manager of your area.

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Speaker 1: So whatever you know, whether you're Midwest, SEC territory, West Coast, whatever,

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Speaker 1: you evaluate all that and you stack them and and

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Speaker 1: that your input is going to weigh heavily. Obviously they

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Speaker 1: don't make the call at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: but we expect you to firmly evaluate and be confident

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Speaker 1: what you think of the guys in your area. And

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Speaker 1: so I mean, I think that's you know, it's evaluation

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Speaker 1: all the way for the Cowboys. Based on what we've

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Speaker 1: gleaned from what they say about their process, it certainly

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Speaker 1: seems like they trust their guys from the top down.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you this guy, Stephen Jones, will make

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Speaker 1: you uncomfortable a meeting. He really will, I mean, Stephen Jones,

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Speaker 1: You do not just throw stuff up against the wall

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Speaker 1: and hope it sticks and hope that nobody checks your work.

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Speaker 1: Because somebody to your right or your left has probably

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Speaker 1: checked your work. But that guy's sitting in that chair

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Speaker 1: will say, well, wait, yesterday you told me this, today

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Speaker 1: you're telling me this. So there's a lot of things,

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Speaker 1: a lot of that. You have to have that back

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Speaker 1: and forth right there in order to set your board

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Speaker 1: the right way. That accountability, that communication is huge this year.

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Speaker 1: Go for it, bucket right. No, it is really really true, Dave.

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Speaker 1: You talked about being a general manager of your area.

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Speaker 1: As an area scout, your responsibility is to know everybody

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Speaker 1: in your area, to know him front and back, and

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Speaker 1: to not only know who's coming out this year, but

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Speaker 1: I need you to know who's coming out in future years. Right,

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Speaker 1: Because if you have been in your area for a while,

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Speaker 1: you've been going to those schools, you've developed relationships, you're

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Speaker 1: very aware of who are the top recruiting guys that

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Speaker 1: who this guy is, who does he compare to that

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Speaker 1: It's having those scouting looks from earlier seasons and knowing

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's Bucky Brooks, David Hellman, and the triumphant return

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Speaker 1: Draft Show. Glad all three of you guys are with us,

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Speaker 1: and man, you talk about experience among these guys. I mean, Brian,

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Speaker 1: I learned a lot in that first segment already, and

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Speaker 1: that's kind of how we all are. We're glad to

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Speaker 1: have you, David. We're glad to have you. Man. So

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Speaker 1: even through all of those years that I just kind

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Speaker 1: as this one. Specifically about the storylines around the quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: You talk about Trevor Lawrence tanking for Trevor Sunshine right

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Speaker 1: on this one? Who wants to break the seal for

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Speaker 1: the draft show this season? In terms of finding a

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Speaker 1: term answer and he's going to take up a big

643
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: piece of that salary cap? Pie, I mean, do y'all

644
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: want me to do? This? Is Dave? Yeah, go for it.

645
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: You worked for the team. Yeah, all right. I'll actually

646
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: I'll I'll stray a little bit and I'll just say this.

647
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: This is you know, we talk about what do we say?

648
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: Investigate and educate, Right, that's our That's been our tagline. Um.

649
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: If Dak Prescott is fully healthy and is recovered well

650
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: from his injury, then I think this conversation is acidine.

651
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: But that's something that the Cowboys need to really get

652
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: a firm handle on. Um. You know, everything we've heard

653
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: is that he's doing great and he's ahead of schedule.

654
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: And I don't want to I do not want to,

655
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: like suggest asked or create rumors that that's not true.

656
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe that. But the Cowboys

657
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: need to make extra sure that that's the case, that

658
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: they feel one hundred percent confident that he will be

659
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: able to play quarterback at a high level when he

660
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: is recovered. Um. And if if that's true, then that

661
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: this is dumb And I don't want to talk about it,

662
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: but you know, you get to you get to March,

663
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: and maybe you don't feel good about it. Then I

664
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: think the conversation changes. I have no reason to believe

665
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: that right now, but it's on the Cowboys to do

666
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: their due diligence and make sure they're confident in Dak's health.

667
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: That's that's how I feel. Right you want to go

668
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: next or so much hesitation, I go ahead, take it back.

669
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: I can take it. So I think I think the

670
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: conversations are. I think it's two different conversations. I think

671
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: the Deck evaluation is different than what the draft is.

672
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: Eventually you have to blt them together. I think what

673
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: you have to do with Deck is you have to

674
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: compare Deck to a couple of different quarterbacks. So as classmates,

675
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: Carson Winson, Jared Golf, where does Dak Prescott stack up

676
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: with those guys? Right now? If you go to LA

677
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: where I'm where I'm at in Philadelphia, they're not pleased

678
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: with their quarterbacks, but their quarterback contract is an albatross

679
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: around the franchise because you're talking about thirty two to

680
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars annually. Now, if you go the next

681
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: draft class and you think about Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson.

682
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: Where does Dak Prescott fit. Is he more in the

683
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson Pat Mahomes category or is he more in

684
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: the Jared Golf Carson Wentz category. Because if you feel

685
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: like he's Deshaun Watson and the numbers would say that

686
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: he's more in that ring, well then you pay you

687
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: pay him and you move on and you build a

688
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: team around him. But if you have any hesitancy, we've

689
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: seen that championship teams are built with a rookie quarterback

690
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: or a quarterback only Ricky Deal and all of the

691
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: supporting pieces, and so a lot of it depends on

692
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: how do you view number four? Bucky? Are you trying

693
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: to fire Dak? That's what I unds like. I'm not.

694
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not trying to I'm not trying to

695
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: fire Dak. But I think it's a conversation. I say this.

696
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: I think this year has been the best thing for

697
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: him in terms of the evaluation, because for so long

698
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: everyone was like he's propped up by everything around him.

699
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: Well now we've seen him removed and the house of

700
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: cards are falling down, and so I think that has

701
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: helped in terms of he's a franchise quarterback who can

702
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: play at a high level. He's put up big numbers,

703
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: and then when you look at his draft Mace Carson Wentzon,

704
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: Jared Golf. If we were playing in the park today

705
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: we had to pick one of those, I'm picking Dak

706
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: Prescott all day over those guys, and so I think

707
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: he's been he's benefited from that. So I would say, yes,

708
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: I would want to pay him. But now that we've

709
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: reached a point where we're talking about franchise tags and

710
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: forty plus million dollars, you just have to be certain.

711
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: Are you fine with the money being tied up in

712
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: Dak Zeke and Amari Cooper and Ken we win with

713
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: these guys comprising our big three? Yeah? I think that.

714
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he both makes some excellent points here.

715
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: I will say this though, about the whole Dak's situation

716
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: to me is you know, two years ago, I blame

717
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: the Cowboys for not getting this done in a timely manner.

718
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: And the reason why the Philadelphia Eagles signed Carson Wentz

719
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: to a contract extension because they were worried that at

720
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: that time that Dak Prescott was going to get forty

721
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: million dollars from the Dallas Cowboys. So all now, all

722
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the Eagles are looking at their situation like, well,

723
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: we're stuck with this quarterback right now, that's not playing

724
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: very well. I think that to me, though, the Cowboys

725
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: two years ago, yes, should have got this done right now.

726
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: I think this is more about what's going on with

727
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: Todd France, the agent. I think this is more about

728
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. You know, Stephen Jones has come on our

729
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: show in one oh five three and talked about he

730
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: is surprised that he's not able to get this deal done.

731
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: And so with that being said, I feel like though

732
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: that to me, that's a little bit more on the agent.

733
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: But we'll see, we'll see how things play out. Now. Now,

734
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: if we get to the start of the league year,

735
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: the new league year, whether it's March twelfth or seventeenth,

736
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: something like that, and you know they're going to start

737
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: on this journey of getting a scene if they could

738
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: get this guy signed, If they don't have him signed

739
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: by the time you're getting to the draft, when we're

740
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: into April to into April first of May, I am

741
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: looking at a quarterback with my top pick. I can't.

742
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: I can't trust that things are going to be any different,

743
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: that something magically is going to happen. You know, this

744
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: has to get done early. And if it doesn't get

745
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: done early, the Dallas Cowboys are in this quarterback market

746
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: as far as evaluating one of these guys at the

747
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: top of that board, because I don't think you could

748
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: go any further, you know, and just say, oh, we're

749
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, we'll get it done. Now. You haven't

750
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: got it done for two years now, whether that's your

751
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: fault or whether that's the agent's fault. But if there's

752
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: no progress in March and excuse me, March April, then

753
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: I am definitely looking at a quarterback. You can. You

754
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 1: can all those quarterbacks and linebackers and defensive ends. I'm sorry,

755
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: I can't look at you. I got to find me

756
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: a quarterback, maybe at the top of this board. Hey, Brian,

757
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it depends on where the

758
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: Cowboys finished, because if you finish in what I call

759
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: the high cotton, if you're picked one or two, I think,

760
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: regardless of what happens with Dak, I think the quarterback

761
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: has to be in play because I think there's a

762
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: separation between Lawrence and Fields and some of the rest

763
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: of the guys. So if you're if you look if

764
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: they finished number two, I think the quarterback has to

765
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: be in played regardless. You can franchise Dak for another

766
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: year and then move on. Now, if you're outside of that,

767
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: then I think it becomes a dicier situation because the

768
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that you're talking about, I don't know if they're

769
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: in the same they're in the same conversation as those

770
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: other two guys, and we were talking about like franchise

771
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: guys expected to be able to do it from day one.

772
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, Bucky, there's a real there's a real

773
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: mahomes looking guy out there in Provo, Utah. I'm just saying, oh, look,

774
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: I like I like, I like Zach Wilson, and I

775
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: think Zach Wilson is a dude. However, I don't And

776
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: I've talked to people now because it's funny because like

777
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: this conversation that Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields Zach Wilson trade

778
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: lance conversation is interesting because everybody that you call had

779
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: these guys are stacked in different orders. The assistant is

780
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is typically the number one guy, but two

781
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: through four it is flipped all over the plater champending

782
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: on what you like and whatever, and so it is

783
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: very very interesting. I'll say I'm a little jaded. Having

784
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: known Trevor and Justin since they were in high school.

785
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: I think they're closer than most people give them credit for.

786
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: I think it'd be interesting to see how this plays out,

787
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: particularly when Trevor gets in the playoff, because last year

788
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: in the playoff he didn't play well against Ohio State

789
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: and Clipson versus pressure. I just would like to kind

790
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: of see him clean that up as we go for

791
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: before I annoyed him the next coming. So this is

792
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: this is a I'm sorry, Kyle, but Brian took. It

793
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: took one one episode for you to tilt me on

794
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: my head here because I came into this and I

795
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: still I think Dak should be the quarterback of the future.

796
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes sense. I think it's way

797
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: more likely that he achieves the success you're looking for

798
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: than gambling on a guy that's never played pro football.

799
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: But it's an interesting point that if a deal can't

800
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: get done by the draft, you can't tag him again. Like,

801
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: you cannot tag him in twenty twenty two. It would

802
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: be astronomically, I mean theoretically you could, but it would

803
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: be absolutely crippling. And there's no guarantee you get him

804
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: locked up beyond that. So that's a really interesting point

805
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: that if Dak does not have a long term deal

806
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: by April, you're running the risk of passing on a

807
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: quarterback and not having any long term security with your

808
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: current quarterback. And that's a hell of a dilemma. And

809
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: I'll say it again, I think Dak Prescott should be

810
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: the long term quarterback of this team. But it's awfully

811
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: scary to think that you could have a shot at

812
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 1: one of these guys and not take him with no

813
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: guarantee whatsoever that Dak will be here beyond the twenty

814
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: twenty one season. That is, that is a hell of

815
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: a dilemma, and I hope the Cowboys act with some

816
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: urgency when they can talk to Dac again. That seems like, well,

817
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: they're gonna tag him. They're gonna tag him, and if

818
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: you can't get a deal done, now I'm looking at

819
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I'm looking at a quarterback needy team. I'm

820
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: looking at somebody in the middle. There's plenty of teams,

821
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: the Colts, the Bears, There's all these quarterback needy teams Pittsburgh.

822
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,479
Speaker 1: There's teams that probably you could trade Dak Prescott too

823
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: and get a one four. You know, I'm not. I

824
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: Am not going to sit there and let him hold

825
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: me up though he but I will say this, I

826
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: think Dak Prescott is the one that's gonna have to

827
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: drive this deal. He's gonna have to be the one

828
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: that tells Todd France, let's sign, let's get this done.

829
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: And once that happens, then you could focus on everything

830
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: else you need for this draft. Yeah, Bryan, I think

831
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: it's interesting because the leverage flips, right, It's flipped a

832
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: few times with the tag. It went from the Cowboys

833
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: to then it went to Dak side. But then the

834
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: injury I think kind of brings a realization to number four, like,

835
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: hey man, I need to get this money, I need

836
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: to get this done. However, I think it's smart business

837
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys to know that we have all

838
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: the leverage, we have all the vehicles to use it.

839
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: We can franchise and still draft a quarterback and then

840
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: make whatever decision that we need to make going on.

841
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: We talked about quarterback being the most important position in football.

842
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: You can never have enough of them, and so if

843
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: you have those assets, then you do with them what

844
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: you need to do. But I think this is one

845
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys have to go into it thinking about

846
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: the quarterback first and foremost, regardless of whether you get

847
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: done initially, I think the quarterback has to be the

848
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: emphasis because it can bring back so many different things.

849
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this. I know we'll get into

850
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: this next show. There are some defensive players at the

851
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: top of that board that scare me to death. You know,

852
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: if you start talking about picking, you start picking guys

853
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: at four or five and six. Yeah. I don't know

854
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Speaker 1: how comfortable I am doing that right now, but you

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Speaker 1: feel better about like a downer, But I've never been

856
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Speaker 1: less excited about which it's so early. We don't know

857
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Speaker 1: this for t right as it sits. Right now, I

858
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Speaker 1: am not excited about my options outside of the top

859
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Speaker 1: like three or four players. Yeah, I mean, maybe hopefully

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Speaker 1: we can shed some light on some guys that we're

861
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: not talking about yet. But it's a scary It's a

862
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Speaker 1: scary year to be in the top ten. It's very

863
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Speaker 1: front heavy. It is a scary year that, yeah, scare

864
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Speaker 1: you to be up at the top. I think what

865
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Speaker 1: would be interesting will be if you get the quarterback done.

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Speaker 1: Then I think the offensive tackle conversation comes into play,

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Speaker 1: because as much as we may love tom Ron Smith,

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Speaker 1: I think you have to consider taking an offensive tackle,

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Speaker 1: especially based on what we've seen play out this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think them wouldnever you have to pour the resources

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Speaker 1: into the offensive line. And I think when I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what that that's Bucky. Bucky's right on. Yeah, Whenever

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Speaker 1: you're talking about this quarterback situation, that's really the question

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Speaker 1: that you're asking is whether or not you're gonna you're

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Speaker 1: whether whether or not you're going to take a bigger

876
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Speaker 1: risk on filling a team around Dak or if you're

877
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Speaker 1: going to take a risk on not having Dak on

878
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Speaker 1: the field. Those are the two things. That's the decision

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Speaker 1: that you have to make. And with that being said,

880
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Speaker 1: it also makes it sound like you're a quarterback away.

881
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Speaker 1: Are we really that sure that this Cowboys team is

882
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Speaker 1: a quarterback away from being contenders? Because, like you talked

883
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Speaker 1: about about the offensive line, this season hasn't necessarily built

884
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Speaker 1: any confidence in terms of the roster that has set

885
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Speaker 1: around the quarterbacks. Bucky, No, but I think what you

886
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Speaker 1: do is you reset the clock when you take a

887
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Speaker 1: young quarterback. So when you take a young quarterback at

888
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889
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890
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891
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893
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894
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Speaker 1: make sure we have enough playmakers, let's look at the defense,

895
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Speaker 1: and let's see if he can kind of steady carry

896
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Speaker 1: it over. I think that's why you look at a

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899
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901
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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of different ways you can go.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Brian talked about timing, Bucky's talking about placement,

903
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Speaker 1: Dave's talking about personnel. There are so many different factors

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Speaker 1: this organization. That's how crucial this twenty twenty one draft

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Speaker 1: and Brian brought us guys. It's great, great to have

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Speaker 1: I don't think guys can hear me? I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I think we're back here on the Dallas Cowboys Draft

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Speaker 1: Show trying to figure some things out whenever it comes

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Speaker 1: to connecting Jeff Cavanaugh to the group, as he is

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Speaker 1: down in the bottom left hand corner. But we will

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Speaker 1: get Jeff here in a moment. But Dane and Kevin,

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Speaker 1: can you guys hear me? Katie and Dane Brugler, you

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Speaker 1: guys both got me right there? We go perfect, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so let's go ahead and introduce those guys. So we

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Speaker 1: just got rid of David Hellman, Bucky Brooks and Brian

959
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Speaker 1: brought us. That's the first half of the Draft show.

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Speaker 1: Here's the second half. We've got Dane Brugler from the Athletic.

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Speaker 1: We've got Kevin kat Turner. As always, he returns for

962
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Speaker 1: his what what year would this be of you on

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show? This is your third year? Maybe I

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Speaker 1: think this is your three for me three, So I'm

965
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Speaker 1: honored to be back. We're bigger than bigger and better

966
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Speaker 1: than ever this year. It's really exciting. How about that, Dane?

967
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: Is this true? What is this fourth fifth year on

968
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Speaker 1: the Draft Show? No more than that? I mean six, seven,

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00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: six or seven? I mean, yeah, we were part of

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Speaker 1: the original crew back and when we started thirteen, I

971
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Speaker 1: can't remember. It's been a while, goodness, and Jeff still

972
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Speaker 1: trying to figure things out. It's his headset, I think

973
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Speaker 1: at the moment. But well, we're gonna get into quite

974
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Speaker 1: a couple of things, and we just kind of went

975
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Speaker 1: through the generics whenever it came to the first part

976
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Speaker 1: of this Draft Show and talking with Brian and Bucky

977
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Speaker 1: and Dave. But I kind of want to get into

978
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Speaker 1: the nitty gritty and Dane, I know you're probably like

979
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: six hundred or seven hundred players deep already, and you're

980
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Speaker 1: scouting of the college football season just right around right.

981
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're not to a thousand yet, but you're

982
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Speaker 1: getting there. So we're gonna get into really the depth

983
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: of this draft where we're going to be in terms

984
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Speaker 1: of picking both ways and whether we're trading up or

985
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Speaker 1: trading down. I want to hear from Captain trade down

986
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Speaker 1: himself in just a couple of moments. But first off, Dane,

987
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Speaker 1: whenever you're looking at the Cowboys need, where is some

988
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Speaker 1: of the depth in this draft and where are they

989
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Speaker 1: going to ultimately find some of the value. Whenever it

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Speaker 1: comes to the later parts of it, well, yeah, this

991
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Speaker 1: is a draft where I don't know that it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not. It's one of those drafts where it's not

993
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Speaker 1: great to be picking top ten unless you need a quarterback.

994
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Speaker 1: But this is a very deep draft throughout the first

995
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Speaker 1: round into Day two. I think there's a lot of

996
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Speaker 1: talent at the offensive tackle position, cornerback, pass rusher, wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: so a few of those positions I think will be

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Speaker 1: a particular interest to the Cowboys. It's just what are

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Speaker 1: they gonna do if they end up with a top

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Speaker 1: five pick. That's where it gets really interesting. A tradeback

1001
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Speaker 1: makes a ton of sense, and in this draft having

1002
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Speaker 1: quarterback having to be a top heavy quarterback group, that

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Speaker 1: might be a good thing because I don't believe they're

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Speaker 1: taking a quarterback some Cowboys fans believe that's possibility. I

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Speaker 1: still think that Dak Prescott's just got too big of

1006
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Speaker 1: a place in Jerry Jones heart. I just don't see

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Speaker 1: it happening. But having a top heavy quarterback class could

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Speaker 1: be a good thing if we want to trade back

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Speaker 1: and maybe get some more value, gets more draft capital. Katie,

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Speaker 1: are you on that boat as well where a trade

1011
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Speaker 1: down makes sense at this point? Yeah? You know. The

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Speaker 1: thing that makes me kind of uncomfortable when we start

1013
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Speaker 1: talking about trading down is just the idea of like

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Speaker 1: guaranteeing that the phone rings. And I also get really

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable as a guy who loves the draft. Sure, you

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Speaker 1: want a better draft pick that goes without saying, but

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Speaker 1: I'm a competitive person who you know, gets mad if

1018
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Speaker 1: I don't win monopoly, right, So I want to win games.

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Speaker 1: So like I understand, like I still want to go

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Speaker 1: win the division, and I understand like a lot of

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Speaker 1: Cowboy fans are like, dude, just lose out get the

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Speaker 1: number four pick. You study a little closer, and you

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Speaker 1: said I might be more passionate about them picking at

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Speaker 1: thirty five and thirty six instead of fifty. Yeah, than

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Speaker 1: I am about them picking at four nineteen, I might

1026
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Speaker 1: feel better about that player at thirty five and thirty

1027
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Speaker 1: six instead of fifty in comparison to what they're picking

1028
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Speaker 1: at number four or five compared to nineteen. So that's

1029
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Speaker 1: kind of kind of where I always get, realm, I

1030
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: always kind of get get caught in the middle here

1031
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Speaker 1: around this time of year, when you are in a

1032
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Speaker 1: situation where it's like we could win the division, but

1033
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Speaker 1: we could just lose out. It makes sense. The only

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Speaker 1: the only way I would be fully one percent on

1035
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Speaker 1: board with Team Tank is if you didn't have a quarterback. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's where I think it would make sense. I

1037
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Speaker 1: don't know how much it makes sense this year, but

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Speaker 1: I'm a guy who wants to win, So I said it.

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Speaker 1: If that makes me a bad guy, winning divisions makes

1040
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Speaker 1: me a bad guy, I'm okay with it. Well that's

1041
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: kind of the that's the dilemma that every Cowboys fan

1042
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Speaker 1: is on right now. And I believe we've got the

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Speaker 1: captain trade down. The one and only Team Tank leader

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Speaker 1: on the bottom left hand corner, Jeff, are you back? Yeah,

1045
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Speaker 1: I'm here, rude captain trade down? Right? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, Okay.

1046
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you were what was that? Well,

1047
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Speaker 1: I couldn't hear, but I heard kat there at the end.

1048
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Speaker 1: So let me just let me just say, oh, no,

1049
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Speaker 1: am I in bad shake. Now we've got you. We

1050
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Speaker 1: can hear you. Oh you're just maybe I can hear you. Yeah, yeah,

1051
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: Katy should be worried that I'm coming after him. Um.

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Speaker 1: The problem is I can tell you that I'm having

1053
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Speaker 1: trouble hearing Jeff. But for those who are who are listening,

1054
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Speaker 1: Jeff got an incredible bookshelf, but he does have a

1055
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Speaker 1: great background as well, and he is having trouble. We

1056
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Speaker 1: are having trouble hearing hearing Jeff. But here's the thing.

1057
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Speaker 1: So this, since this is the first show, I'm gonna

1058
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Speaker 1: explain this really quickly, and this is a peak behind

1059
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Speaker 1: the curtain. And so Katie and Dane, you're listening through

1060
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Speaker 1: Jeff in something that's not on air. I'm listening through

1061
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Speaker 1: Jeff on air, and I can hear Jeff just kind

1062
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Speaker 1: of very faintly in the background. So continue Jeff, and

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Speaker 1: I'll kind of relay that information while we deal with

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Speaker 1: some of these technical difficulties. Okay, now I don't hear

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Speaker 1: Jeff at all, all right, So we're gonna move on

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Speaker 1: and see if we can get at Jeff back up

1067
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: and running. I don't know what's going on with him,

1068
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: but whenever you're talking about trading down and trying to

1069
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: figure out what's going on with this this Cowboys team, Dane.

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00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: You you you put out a mock draft in your

1071
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: first mock draft. We're gonna get that in coupled moments.

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00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: But did you at any point think during your your

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00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: your look down these draft picks and whoever you ended

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00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: up going with with the Cowboys, which was Caleb Farley

1075
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: at the fourth overall pick, did you at one point

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00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: say this is definitely a spot where they would trade down.

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00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: Whenever it's Trevor Lawrence off the board and Pinney Soool

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00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: off the board. I don't think there's exact spot. You

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00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: have to keep an open mind because you know it's

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00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: not like you can really pick who calls you to

1081
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: trade up, and you know you're looking at some teams

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00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: in the early teens right now. Of course we don't

1083
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: know the exact draft order, but you're talking about Chicago Bears. Uh.

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00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers, New England Patriots. Uh. You know,

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00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Atlanta, with Carolina, there are

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00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: plenty of teams this year that could realistically go up

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00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: for a quarterback, so you know, and you don't really

1088
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: have the luxury of picking who's gonna call, who's gonna

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00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: have the best offer, So I think you have to

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00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: have you have to keep it open mind. I think

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00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: they could be in a situation where they could trade

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00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: back and get the second best tackle, which in my opinions,

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00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: where Seawan Slater out of Northwestern. He's a terrific talent

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00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: who opted out this season, but I think he's a

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00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: left tackle in the league, even though he's gonna get

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00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: killed because it doesn't have the exact length that you want.

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00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: You could trade back, and like I said, this is

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00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: a pretty decent cornerback group J C. Horne out of

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00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: South Carolina, Darien Kendrick at a Clemson if you wanted

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Speaker 1: to go the cornerback route. They are in a position

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00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: where they could trade back, and I still think they'd

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00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: be an excellent situation, regardless if it's trade back to

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00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: nine or trade back to fourteen. So with these guys

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Speaker 1: that you're mentioning here, Dane, I mean, of course, whenever

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00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 1: it comes to the overall prospect. Sure that you're gonna

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00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: be fine, no matter if you're through nine to eighteen nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Even if you win the division, you would be at nineteen.

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Speaker 1: But Katie, you're talking about winning the division. If you're

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00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: looking at draft picks, wouldn't you rather have options than

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00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: maybe even just winning the division and picking in the

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00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: late teens early twenties. Yeah, give me, no, give me

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Speaker 1: the options. So look again, if everything's equal, I want

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00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: the higher draft pick, of course, right But I just

1114
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: think realistically, the way this thing's going with a Bengals

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00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 1: team next week on the schedule, and you're gonna play

1116
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: the Giants and the Eagles down the stretch, teams that

1117
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: you can beat, even though things do look super cloudy

1118
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: right now for the Cowboys, you can beat those teams.

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00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: I just think it's realistic. I think right now we're

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Speaker 1: talking about a team could be picking fourth or nineteenth,

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00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: and we're talking about trade doowns. They can be picking tenth.

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00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, I don't know how well this team is.

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Speaker 1: This team gonna go compete against the Bengals, They're gonna

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00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: beat the Bengals if they go compete to their highest

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00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: level against the Bengals, They're gonna move up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I think probably the most realistic possibility is winning a

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00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: game or two and not winning the division and you're

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00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: kind of stuck there at nine or eight or ten

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00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: or whatever. But more than anything, look, you got all

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00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: this time you're running through these players. You're gonna be

1131
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: taking deep dives at these players, Senior Bowl Comby. There's

1132
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: so there's a long distance to go here. The number

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00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: of options for this team, it's really it's really good.

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00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: Like that's that's a great thing they have. And if negotiating,

1135
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, is something that they want to do. You know,

1136
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: there's so much that has to play out with Dak

1137
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: when you start looking out there, and there's a lot

1138
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: that has to play out. So like the options are there.

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00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: I think the one thing that is like a known

1140
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: thing because there's I do think you have this big

1141
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: question mark in terms of options and what direction you go.

1142
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: One thing that we all know is that the defense

1143
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: needs help. Ye and hey, I'm a guy who needs

1144
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: to help this offensive line. I support helping out the

1145
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: offensive line, especially when you're not getting out of that

1146
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: Zeke contract. Zeke's gonna need open holes to run through.

1147
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: That's not going away. He's on your roster next year.

1148
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: I want to help that offense out, but that offensive

1149
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: line out. But but defense is where the focus goes.

1150
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: And I know for me, you know, watching these players,

1151
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: my focus is immediately grabating towards the cornerbacks and kind

1152
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: of really focusing in on that and things like that

1153
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: early on. But you know, as we've branched out and

1154
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: move forward, you sit there and go man at offensive

1155
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: line depth, offensive tackle depth is really interesting. I do

1156
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: I have to take Pennay soool if he's there at four? No,

1157
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't think you do. I think there's enough names

1158
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: now where if I'm picking at thirty seventh in the

1159
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: second round, maybe I can get a tackle there. There's

1160
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of tackles that go in the

1161
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: first round. It'll be interesting as we continue to watch

1162
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: film and soaking this information, where does the cutoff go

1163
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: to where you're comfortable? Is like is this guy in

1164
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: this tier as this guy in this tier. That's where

1165
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: I think that the draft gets really interesting. Is that

1166
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: debate that the Cowboys are going to have internally, like

1167
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: at what point do they attack the offensive line? Because

1168
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how they feel about Tyrn moving forward,

1169
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: contracts on the books or whatever, but I think we

1170
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: know what happens when Tyron's out. So they're gonna have

1171
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: these really big, heated internal debates. And that's part of

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00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: what makes it fun, is you know, Bounce, I've been

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00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: watching film with Jeff and broad Us and sometimes with

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Speaker 1: Dane for all these years, and the most fun part

1175
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: of it is disagreeing on players and not for the

1176
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: sake of argument, just for the sake of more perspectives. Yeah,

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00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, so that's what kind of makes it makes

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Speaker 1: it fun. And we're here man draft season, that's rock It'

1179
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Speaker 1: it fantastic. I mean, you talk about different perspectives, We've

1180
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: got seven different perspectives on the panel. Throughout the course

1181
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: of this show and into the spring and the draft process.

1182
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna step aside. We're gonna see if we can

1183
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: get our seventh perspective and Jeff cavanall hooked up and

1184
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: ready to go. We're gonna come back. When we come back, though,

1185
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Danes mock draft. Trevor Lawrence goes

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Speaker 1: number one, but who what's the second quarterback? Take it?

1187
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Speaker 1: And was it one of the names that's not justin fields.

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Speaker 1: Draft Show. Jeff, how you doing, man? I think I'm here?

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Speaker 1: Am I here? Yeah? Am I here on the show? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You're on the show. It sounds Chris good. Chris is

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Speaker 1: a monster. I'm the worst, but I'm happy to be here. Hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: did you guys enjoy your first segment? It was good, man,

1241
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Speaker 1: It was good guessing what books you had behind you

1242
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Speaker 1: and your snow globe and the chaos running through your

1243
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Speaker 1: brain as I was talking about winning the division and

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Speaker 1: I know that's the last you want us to do. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we'll see. But that's the thing here. Now. People get

1246
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Speaker 1: the wrong idea about Team Tank Captain trade Down. People

1247
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Speaker 1: get the wrong idea about it. Team Tank is just

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Speaker 1: my preferred result to games. You can't ask your players

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Speaker 1: not to try. You can't ask your coaches not to

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Speaker 1: try because they get fired. So look, they're supposed to

1251
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Speaker 1: try their best. I just hope that they come up

1252
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Speaker 1: short in every game that they played this year because

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Speaker 1: I think it's best for the long term future. Because

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Speaker 1: I want to hold the top five pick while a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of teams that are picking in the teams

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Speaker 1: are desperate for a quarterback. Captain trade Down and Team

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Speaker 1: Tank are best friends. You just can't get the wrong

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Speaker 1: idea about what tank means. It's just what I'm pulling for,

1259
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Speaker 1: not what they should actively try to do. So you

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Speaker 1: want Team Tank to happen so that Captain trade Down

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Speaker 1: has more options. That's what I'm hearing at this point, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Captain trade doown just wants to ride, you know, because

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Speaker 1: this is a year where where I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: want to make a pick in the top five if

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Speaker 1: Piney souls off the board because the Cowboys aren't picking

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. I don't trust any of the corners. I

1267
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: don't trust any of the pass rushers. So I don't

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Speaker 1: want to pick for the pick's sake. I want to

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Speaker 1: pick because Chicago tamp all these teams that are gonna

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Speaker 1: be picking between ten and sixteen, they might want to

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Speaker 1: dance with you. And so now my goal is to

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Speaker 1: get this team's first pick into the teams. And so look,

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Speaker 1: if that happens because they win the division, so be it.

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Speaker 1: You'll pick the best player there. But if it happens

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01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: because somebody comes calling for a better pick that you

1276
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: get to trade down from, well now we're partying because

1277
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: now I'm picking one of the edges in the teams

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01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: or one of the corners, and the teams. Then at

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Speaker 1: the top of the second and in the middle or

1280
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: back of the second, you're picking an edge or a

1281
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: corner and a safety. I'm just trying to find a

1282
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: bunch of dudes in the top fifty to seventy five picks.

1283
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: That's the goal, and losing helps you get more of them.

1284
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: Lots of darts for the dartboard. That's one thing that

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01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: I remember you saying last year over and over again,

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01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: and it always stuck with me, and I feel like

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01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: this year it matters even more. With the craziness of

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01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one draft and the whole process. I think

1289
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: having more of those darts to throw at the dark

1290
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: border going to ultimately help you out a ton. And

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Speaker 1: that's why, honestly, I'm right there with you. I'm riding

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01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: alongside Captain trade Down. I'm on the horse as well

1293
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,919
Speaker 1: in terms of trading down at that point. And Dane

1294
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: even kind of made me feel better about it earlier

1295
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: whenever he was talking about the options that were there

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01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. But Dane, I want to go deeper

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Speaker 1: into your mock draft. Mock Draft one point zero on

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01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: the Athletic you can go check it out. Dane always

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01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: does fantastic work on there, and this is something that

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01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: I kind of want to dissect from the top down.

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01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: Whenever it comes to the first round mock. You went

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Speaker 1: through all thirty two teams, but it started with Trevor

1303
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: Lawrence at the top of the draft. No surprise, he's,

1304
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: like I said, at the top of the show, the

1305
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: consensus number one pick. But where it kind of got

1306
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: interesting for me was with that second quarterback taken the

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01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: number two overall pick. Did Jacksonville was not just in fields?

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01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: It was instead mister Zack Wilson. Why did you go

1309
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: with Wilson there? Dane Wilson's been fantastic this year. I

1310
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: think if you're looking at today's NFL and what teams

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01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: are looking for, you look at you look at Zach Wilson,

1312
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: and he fits the bill. The mobility, the ability to

1313
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: throw off platform inside of structure, outside of structure. He's

1314
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: a naturally accurate quarterback, and obviously all thirty two teams

1315
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: you're looking for that. I think the main point I

1316
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: want readers to come away with from that mock draft

1317
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: is not that Zack Wilson's absolutely the number two quarterback

1318
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: in this draft. He will be drafted second. That's not

1319
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: the case. What I do want readers to and listeners

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01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: to come away with is there's no consensus with this

1321
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: quarterback class. After Lawrence. It's hard to find many that

1322
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,439
Speaker 1: don't think Lawrence is number one. But after Lawrence, you've

1323
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: got Zack Wilson. Justin fields Trey Lance. Those three quarterbacks

1324
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: are duking it out for two, three, and four in

1325
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: this quarter about class. So there's no consensus. Do not

1326
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,479
Speaker 1: be surprised if you know one of those guys, even

1327
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: like a trail Lance where to go that high. It's possible.

1328
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: So let's keep an open mind to the quarterback order.

1329
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: And if you're the Cowboys and you're picking top five

1330
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: and you don't get Penna Suel, that could be a

1331
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: good thing. And I after watching some Fields, some Wilson,

1332
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: some lances, say I feel the same way, Like I

1333
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: don't know yet, and I'm like blocking out my Saturday, Like, Okay,

1334
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: we got the Ohio State game. Let's watch fields. Let's

1335
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: focus in. Thank god, you know BYU and Coast Coastal

1336
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: Carolina were able to make that work, because that's gonna

1337
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: be exciting to watch. If it's you hate to see

1338
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: it happen for these reasons with Liberty not being able

1339
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: to play, but like, can't wait for that game. I

1340
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: never thought that I would say I can't wait to

1341
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: see Coastal Carolina play. You know, when I watched that Wilson,

1342
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: I get hypnotized by the offense. That is a fun

1343
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: offense at BYU runs, I have to sit there and

1344
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: go out. That is incredible. I get the vibes. And

1345
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: it's not his fault that sometimes he's playing with his

1346
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: food a little bit. And we kind of saw that

1347
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: from Trevor Lawrence. I think in year two a little bit,

1348
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: I felt like he was kind of playing with his

1349
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: food a little bit. Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and

1350
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: have a yellow ball into double coverage here because I

1351
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: can and I'm okay, it's it's all gonna work out.

1352
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: So I can't wait to watch these guys tomorrow. As

1353
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: we continue to go forward. Trey Lance is the difficult

1354
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: one because I mean, you got ten games or fifteen

1355
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: games or whatever it is, that's it. You got a

1356
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: handful of games and figure it out. And that's gonna

1357
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: take a little more gumption I think to just roll

1358
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: to go ahead and take Trey Lance at number two.

1359
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: But new GM coming to Jacksonville, so Lord knows what

1360
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna be thinking and whatever happens with that organization.

1361
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: But I love the fact that here we are in

1362
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Speaker 1: December and still going. All right, we get these games

1363
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Speaker 1: that matter at here. When it comes to evaluating these quarterbacks, Jeff,

1364
01:08:56,160 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: what do you think about the quarterfalls Carolina Quick Coastal Carolina.

1365
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: They're a top fifteen ranked defense. So even though I

1366
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: know on the surface, BYU at Coastal doesn't really sound

1367
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: that exciting, but it's a chance to see Zach Wilson

1368
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,799
Speaker 1: against a top fifteen ranked defense. Coastal's got some defensive

1369
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: dudes on that team, so it is worth checking out.

1370
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: I can promise you scouts to be glued on that game. Yeah,

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01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 1: I think. But the quarterbacks, the most important thing, at

1372
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Speaker 1: least from the Cowboys perspective, is a couple of different things.

1373
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 1: And the first one would be technically here quarterbacks not

1374
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: under contract. Right, So if the Cowboys had a high

1375
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:35,839
Speaker 1: up pick and they fell in love with the prospect,

1376
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: could that actually mean something for this organization? I think not.

1377
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: I think they're going to get a dat Prescott deal

1378
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: done and he's going to be the guy. But the

1379
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: idea that different organizations are valuing these guys in a

1380
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: different order, I think is also a great thing for

1381
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: the Cowboys because it makes your pick more and more

1382
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: valuable because you don't know which team that may not

1383
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: have a shout at these guys. And maybe this is

1384
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: a question for Dane. Where as I'm drawing it out

1385
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: in my head, at least with what the draft order

1386
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: would be today, I think one and two would absolutely

1387
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 1: be quarterbacks, right. I think three, where Burrow is absolutely

1388
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: not a quarterback. I don't have the order for me,

1389
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: but Washington at eight, I would think definitely quarterback, and

1390
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm missing one before them where Carolina and Carolina. Yeah,

1391
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: And so if four are going to go in the

1392
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: top eight, it makes your pick really important to teams

1393
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: and the teams If if the guy who doesn't go

1394
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 1: in the top two is somebody's guy that is picking

1395
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: down there and needs a quarterback, that's that's what you want.

1396
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: You want to see four of these guys go in

1397
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: the top eight or be on pace to go in

1398
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: the top eight, because it makes it a race to

1399
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 1: get in front of Washington right now in theory, So

1400
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: I guess that would be My question is when I

1401
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: go through and I look at all these teams and

1402
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: I say, need a quarterback, eat a quarterback, need quarterback,

1403
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: needing a quarterback? Are any of these teams going to

1404
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: skip over that? And could a team that's sitting at

1405
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen have the fourth guys sitting there for then? Well, specifically,

1406
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 1: when you can't rule that out, go for it. Dane,

1407
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: And I think the other thing that we have to

1408
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: pay attention to here is if you're the Cowboys fan,

1409
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: you want justin Herbert to keep tearing it up. You

1410
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: want to keep tearing it up because the perception of

1411
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: these top five, top six quarterbacks playing in the NFL

1412
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: right now, that matters to NFL teams that are looking

1413
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: for a quarterback and could be something that you know,

1414
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: creeps into their perception of this upcoming quarterback class, saying, wow, Okay,

1415
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: Herbert came in, did this two, was doing this Burrow

1416
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: before he was injured, was doing this. Okay, let's go

1417
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 1: up and get our quarterback and see if he can

1418
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: do that. And so, I mean, I think you're right, Jeff.

1419
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: It's you like to see these quarterback needy teams lining up,

1420
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: and it's you know, those are the teams in the

1421
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: top eight. But like you referenced early, you've got the

1422
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, You've got the Bears, you've got the Patriots,

1423
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: You've got several other teams that are just outside that

1424
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: toppy who could potentially make a move. So it's it's

1425
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: a good year to be picking in the top five

1426
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,560
Speaker 1: if you need a quarterback, but it could also be

1427
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: a good year if you have your quarterback and you

1428
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: could be looking to pick up some draft capitals. So

1429
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's gonna be the conversation that

1430
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:29,440
Speaker 1: dominates the draft talk between now in April, so specifically,

1431
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to your mock draft, you had Caleb

1432
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: Farley going to the Cowboys at pick number four, while

1433
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: Justin Fields was still on the table and Trey Lance

1434
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: was there as well, if we want to talk about

1435
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: all four of those quarterbacks. So in that very specific moment,

1436
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could have taken a quarterback if they really

1437
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: wanted to, if Justin Fields is their guy, and of

1438
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: course if Dak Prescott has not signed, like we kind

1439
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: of talked about in the early part of the show,

1440
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: But why not Justin Fields if you're the Cowboys? And

1441
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: why is Justin Fields a little bit for the down?

1442
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: Is it just because of the play of Zach Wilson

1443
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: or is it because he's maybe had a little bit

1444
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: of a step back. Well, I mean he is coming

1445
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: off the worst game of his you know, two year

1446
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: college career against Indiana. He threw three picks, but he

1447
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: also had three touchdowns in that game, three hundred yards

1448
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 1: passing and o'house date got the w. So it's he's

1449
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: not falling necessarily, It's more about Zach Wilson and what

1450
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: I talked about before, how there's just so many there's

1451
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: no consensus of these quarterbacks. And there's some teams. I

1452
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 1: literally talked to scouts with teams that say, Zach Wilson's

1453
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: their guy, He's special, that's the guy we want now.

1454
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: But it's still early. You know, these teams haven't had

1455
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: a chance to sit down with these quarterbacks and really

1456
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: delve into Okay, what do they know? What don't they

1457
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,919
Speaker 1: know when we put up the tape. Do they understand

1458
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: what defense are looking at? Do they understand the protections?

1459
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: There's still a lot these teams need to figure out.

1460
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: So it's it's still very early. But and I didn't

1461
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: do any trades. It's important to point that out too.

1462
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: With this mock draft. So you're going talking to the

1463
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: first two picks quarterbacks, the Bengals at number three, Penney Sewell,

1464
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: it just makes too much sense there at number four,

1465
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, if Penney Sewell is available, I don't think

1466
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: the Cowboys passed. I think that's their pick. But if

1467
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: they're sitting there at four and the top two quarterbacks

1468
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: are off the board plus Penney Sewell, what direction are

1469
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: they going I just don't see them going after a quarterback.

1470
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 1: You know, Dak Prescott is to me, I agree with Jeff,

1471
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: he's the guy. He's They're going to figure out a way.

1472
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones has too much love for Dak Prescott to

1473
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: you know, buy into the potential of one of these quarterbacks.

1474
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: So you know you had to go in a different direction.

1475
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 1: And that's where it gets a little tricky. Can I

1476
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: add on to that? Because what I would say at

1477
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 1: four is and Caleb Farley, I do think, having studied

1478
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: his tape, I think the potential is there for him

1479
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: to be the best corner in this class. I don't

1480
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: know that he is today, but the traits are there

1481
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: for him to be an absolute lockdown stud. So I

1482
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: get what teams will love. But if you're the Cowboys,

1483
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: and I know everybody's gonna kill me for this, but

1484
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean this. If you're the Cowboys and the fourth

1485
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: best player on your board is Jamar Chase and you're

1486
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: not sold on the corners, do you owe it to

1487
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: you don't you're laughing me? Do you owe it to

1488
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: yourself to pick the best? It's a half decade pick.

1489
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: It is not a pick for what you need today.

1490
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: It's a half decade pick. So if you felt infinitely

1491
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 1: better and you were stuck at four, then Jamar Chase

1492
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: is a star and the corners, well they have upside.

1493
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 1: Don't You owe it to yourself to make that pick

1494
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: and then figure out what to do with your receiving

1495
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: corps to get picks back, whether it's moving a guy whatever.

1496
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: Can you surpass a guy that you think is the

1497
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: better player for position of need with a top five pick?

1498
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: This is I don't think I can, because part of

1499
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: that is the depth of the wide receiver class will

1500
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: be good again, so that's part of it, and I

1501
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 1: think you have to consider that. I like what you're

1502
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: doing though. I like how you just come in and

1503
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 1: money up the waters like that. Actually enjoy this. It's

1504
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: team fifty Burger. That's what Jeff's ditt too. You don't

1505
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 1: have to keep them. All I'm saying is that if

1506
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: you're making a pick for a half decade and you

1507
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: intentionally take a worst player, yeah you're insane. You're talking

1508
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: about the best player available. You want to make sure

1509
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: that the best player is in your possession. Especially when

1510
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: Dane mocked Jamar Chase going to Philadelphia and then you're

1511
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: gonna have to play him for five years. Whenever it

1512
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: comes to in ANFC east of vision rival, well, you're

1513
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: just saying, take the best player available, no matter the position.

1514
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: Stick with that sort of drafting mentality. Then you take

1515
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: your running back there. Then you know, like you know,

1516
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: that's how you get in these situations. And by the way,

1517
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: if your team fifty Burger, then your defense is team

1518
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 1: sixty Burger in that case. So like, look, let's be real, though,

1519
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: do we really think the Cowboys would do that? Do

1520
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: we really think they would take a receiver at for

1521
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: I just can't see it happening. So I love out

1522
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: of the box thinking when it comes to the draft,

1523
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: but realistically, just can see the Kyle Boys doing it.

1524
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. It makes it tough at

1525
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: number four when you're sitting there. I think the three

1526
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 1: best non quarterbacks that I've studied so far in this

1527
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 1: draft Penney Sewell, Jamar Chase, and Kyle Pitts. I think

1528
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: those are the three most just the best talents in

1529
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: his class. But after Penney Sewell, I'm not I don't

1530
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 1: think they'd take Jamar Chase and I don't think they

1531
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 1: would take Kyle Pitts. I mean, I just and Kyle

1532
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: Pitts honestly when I was I'm kind of getting us

1533
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,879
Speaker 1: off track here. But Kyle Pitts is a very interesting

1534
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:38,799
Speaker 1: prospect to talk about because he's just a different breed

1535
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,799
Speaker 1: of pass catcher. He's not your hand in the ground

1536
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: going to dominate the point of attack tight end. He's

1537
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: more of that hybrid move tight end version. But he's

1538
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: a cheat code. I mean, he is an impact player

1539
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: that can really add a different element to your offense.

1540
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: But he's not gonna not everyone's gonna be one hundred

1541
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,839
Speaker 1: percent on board with taking a player like that that early.

1542
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: So figuring out where Kyle Pitts falls in this draft.

1543
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: He could go top five or he could go top fifteen.

1544
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to figure him out. Should we

1545
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: have a realistic conversation about Kyle Pitts though, Like I mean,

1546
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: right now, you've got Jarwin, You've got Dalton Shoultz. You've

1547
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 1: got these guys a tight end, but neither one of

1548
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: those are game changers. I mean, we know that from

1549
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: the Cowboys perspective. Neither one of those guys are going

1550
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 1: to really win you a ton of games on their own.

1551
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: But Kyle Pitts certainly could. Are we gonna call Kyle

1552
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: Pitts a tight end? Are we gonna do that? We could?

1553
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: I mean you try, yeah, I mean end, who did

1554
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: you know? I mean, I think he is a tight end.

1555
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 1: But he's he's a pass catching tight end. I mean

1556
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 1: he can yeah, you could put he could put his

1557
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: hand in the ground. He's a getting the way blocker.

1558
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: He's not gonna move the point of attack. He's he

1559
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: could do it enough where he can be, you know,

1560
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: getting the way and at least keep guys occupied. But

1561
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, you just have to use him in the

1562
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: right way. And so he's definitely different. There's no question.

1563
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 1: I almost think of him the way that we thought

1564
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 1: of Quittin Nelson when he was coming out of Notre Dame.

1565
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: Quittn Nelson was one of the best talents in that class,

1566
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 1: no question about it. But where's you know, not every

1567
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: team valued guard that highly, and Kyle Pitts he's one

1568
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 1: of the best talents in his class. Not every team

1569
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 1: values what he does as highly as other teams, So

1570
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: it makes it a little difficult to figure out where

1571
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: is his best fit into top ten, Top twelve. I

1572
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: think out of the question at four, you know, you

1573
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: start talking about trading back then maybe they liked jar

1574
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: One a lot. They've invested in jar One, and I

1575
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: think there were more apt to go in that direction.

1576
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: I think it's I think that's where it kind of does.

1577
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: It does get fun, because we are going to have

1578
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: to think outside the box. If we don't love Caleb Farley,

1579
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: if we don't love Patrick certain, if we don't love

1580
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons, you know, whatever it may be, and what

1581
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: they do with Jalen may have may come into play

1582
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,759
Speaker 1: when it comes to taking a guy like Michael Parsons.

1583
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: But I do think they know that defense is what

1584
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 1: they have to attack. I think defense, and I think,

1585
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, knowing this organization's love for and success quite frankly,

1586
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: drafting some offensive linement early in the draft. I think

1587
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 1: that's where you're seeing this team focused in on. It's

1588
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: like it's we got a new regime here, but I

1589
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: mean Mike McCarthy's here and some new coaches, but you know,

1590
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: Will McClay, Steven Jerry, we know how these guys think.

1591
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: And I think that's what we're kind of going to

1592
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 1: be looking at more than anything offensive line and then

1593
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,600
Speaker 1: a defense first and foremost. And at number four you

1594
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: can't get the phone to ring, I think you're rolling

1595
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,759
Speaker 1: the dice on Caleb Farley, if Sewel's gone or something

1596
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: like that. If you can't get the phone to Ring,

1597
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: I think you're rolling the dice there before you're rolling

1598
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 1: the dice on Kyle Pitts or Jamar Chase. Well, Jeff,

1599
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: what okay? Based off who have you seen so far?

1600
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: If I tell you that you can't train back and

1601
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: you can't take an offensive player, who are you taking

1602
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: a four? Whoever it is, I hate it, I already is. Yeah, yeah,

1603
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: if you told that scenario though, right, Well, that's why

1604
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: I would pick Jamar Chase. I feel really good about

1605
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: the player I picked. I wouldn't want to feel bad

1606
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: about the player I picked, and like to me, Gregory Rousseau,

1607
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: I'd be terrified to pick in the top five. Terrified

1608
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: to pick in the top five. Micah Parsons is an

1609
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: off ball linebacker that's relatively new to the position. I'd

1610
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: be terrified to pick him in the top five. Farley,

1611
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: I think is a solid player with really good potential.

1612
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: So you may be writing that that's the name. I

1613
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: probably today trust Patrick surtanded Alabama more than I would

1614
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: trust Caled Farley. But the traits to be an elite

1615
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: cover corner, I think Farley has more upside, So like,

1616
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: that's kind of the guy. But if you told me,

1617
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 1: in any given draft year, where would you pick Caled Farley,

1618
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 1: I'd be like, ah, twenty somewhere around. I was trying

1619
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: to think about where Farley and certain flicking pair to

1620
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 1: last year's corners. Yeah, corner, It wouldn't be the top corner.

1621
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 1: I don't think. Um, that's that's why I get it.

1622
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: I get it, and that's why four is a bad

1623
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: place to be so and that's why you win the games.

1624
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: Go beat the Bengals, you go beat a cult McCoy

1625
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: Giants team could be you go ahead and win that

1626
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: nfc'st baby, host that playoff game. Hey hey, hey, well

1627
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, let's go on a run. Let's go on

1628
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: a wild run super Bowl. That's why you do it.

1629
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: I like it. Picking thirty two changes the draft show,

1630
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: doesn't it edge completely? Wouldn't that be interesting? We're talking

1631
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: about picking at four, and then a month and a

1632
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: half from now, we're picking at thirty two, and it's like,

1633
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 1: hold up, what, like, wait, what are we talking about?

1634
01:22:55,439 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: You think I got guys? Hereto, I got guys. If

1635
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: we're picking at thirty two. You think Derek would regret

1636
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 1: paying all of us to do the draft show since

1637
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 1: there's like twenty of us this year. Yeah, yeah, I

1638
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 1: think you would regret it, probably, But I'm not going

1639
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: to bring that out, Derek. We're gonna hide this in

1640
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: the back half of this show for sure, so that

1641
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: way we don't have to talk about it. But now

1642
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 1: I want to go through Cowboys once and needs because

1643
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: we're talking about all these different positions. But if you

1644
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 1: had to rank the needs of the Cowboys right now,

1645
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: where would you put those? Because I mean you could

1646
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 1: start with corner, you can start with linebacker, you could

1647
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 1: go with defensive tackle. There's so many different spots to go.

1648
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,919
Speaker 1: But where would you rank the needs for the Cowboys

1649
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 1: right now? Jeff will start with you on this one,

1650
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: but I want to hear one through let's say four,

1651
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 1: one through four. Where are you picking if you're the

1652
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: Cowboys and what you need from a draft class quote need?

1653
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 1: I like, I don't think you can put linebacker as

1654
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: a top quote need only because in theory, your two

1655
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 1: starters are on the roster and two guys play at

1656
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 1: a time, with linebacker for the most part. So to me,

1657
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 1: the biggest need is Cheeto's contract up, Jordan Lewis contract up.

1658
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 1: Your biggest need is corner because you'll have Trayvon Diggs

1659
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: and Anthony Brown and you need three minimum to start

1660
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,839
Speaker 1: a football game. So to me, I would think corner

1661
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 1: is probably right there at the top. Safety Xavier Woods

1662
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 1: contract is up, and so it'll be Donovan Wilson and

1663
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 1: I don't know, So you're short of starter at safety.

1664
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: I think you need a starter at defensive tackle. But

1665
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,560
Speaker 1: because I'm more talking about the nose tackle and the

1666
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 1: run stopper there, I wouldn't put it at the very

1667
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,919
Speaker 1: top of the list. So I would go corner and safety,

1668
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: so entire secondary, followed by potentially a linebacker or an

1669
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: edge player, even edge with guys like Dlon Randy Gregory

1670
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: still in the mix as well. Alton Smith's a free agent,

1671
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think even if you have Randy greg

1672
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: Ruth one year left on a contract, and Tank Lawrence

1673
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: that you want more maybe Bradley and I and Doran's Armstrong.

1674
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: That's a rotate. You're happy with with those four, But

1675
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: I think I'm always looking for a pass rusher anyway,

1676
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 1: So I think linebacker, pass rusher, defensive tackle, those all

1677
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 1: falling line somewhere right behind your secondary cornerback, safety, OH line,

1678
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:20,879
Speaker 1: d line, oh making it quick and easy, offensive tackle.

1679
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 1: I love tiring as much as anybody, but I mean,

1680
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: at some point you gotta start preparing for the future.

1681
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: And that's why I don't think they'd pass on Penny

1682
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: Sewell if they have a chance at him in the

1683
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: top five. And it's one of those positions that you

1684
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: have to look at and if it's the best player

1685
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 1: on the board when you're picking in the first round,

1686
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: if it's a top five or it ends up being

1687
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: later on, that's got to be a position you look at.

1688
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,680
Speaker 1: You know, a guy like Rashaan Slater out of Northwestern

1689
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: who has position flex He can help you out of guard,

1690
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: he can help you out either tackle spot. That has

1691
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: to be appealing for a team that has struggled so

1692
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: badly this season with depth issues on the offensive line

1693
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: because of injuries. And we talk about tying so much,

1694
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 1: but it don't forget Lyle. That's a hip injury. Yeah,

1695
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:10,599
Speaker 1: that's a very serious injury at that position. Um So

1696
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:12,839
Speaker 1: I think we got to keep that in mind as well,

1697
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 1: And I think you have some flexibility whenever it comes

1698
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 1: to those two guys. You could always put Tying at

1699
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 1: right tackle. You could put Collins at the guard if

1700
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: you really wanted to. You could you could mix a

1701
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: match around to the offensive line in the offseason to

1702
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: justify what your pick is. But we've talked about the tackles,

1703
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 1: and we talked about the corners up at the top

1704
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 1: of the draft. Is there a defensive tackle that's good

1705
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: enough to be picked in the first round or is

1706
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: that really kind of gonna be right in that area

1707
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: of that early second round, your first pick of the

1708
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 1: second round, maybe even to the third. History tells us

1709
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle is going to go in the first

1710
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: once in the last thirty years, an interior defensive lineman

1711
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 1: did not go in in the first round. So history

1712
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 1: tells us just h not to mention. NFL teams love

1713
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: to build on the defensive line, so there's a chance

1714
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 1: that maybe a Christian Barmore out of Alabama could get

1715
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: in there, a player that it's it's based a lot

1716
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 1: on potential and traits. UM, a guy like out of

1717
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: Iowa is moving up the boards. Davey on Nixon, who's

1718
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: having a really nice year. I didn't include a defensive

1719
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: tackle in my first round, and I don't I wouldn't

1720
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 1: take any of these defensive tackles in the first But

1721
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: maybe that's that's a good thing for you know, the

1722
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 1: Cowboys because in the if they're picking with an early

1723
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 1: second round pick or an early third round pick, there

1724
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 1: will be options because this is while it's it's a

1725
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 1: bad year for defensive tackles in the first round, it's

1726
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: a pretty solid year for defensive tackles on Day two.

1727
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 1: So that could be the sweet spot for a team

1728
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 1: like like like Dallas. And we've seen this team go

1729
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 1: there in the past years with Neville Gallimore round three, UM,

1730
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 1: MALIEK Collins round three past So I mean, yeah, yeah,

1731
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: which you know, late round two feels like earlier round

1732
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: three or whatever, but like that, that's we've seen this

1733
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: team go there find that at a sweet spot. So

1734
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of sense. Jeff. If

1735
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 1: you're you're you're throwing this this wide receiver tandem out there,

1736
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 1: and you're you're you're talking about that as a potential

1737
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 1: best player available, and you mentioned I kind of want

1738
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 1: to go back to what you talked about whenever you're

1739
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:22,719
Speaker 1: talking about feeling good about a player, and you mentioned Farley,

1740
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 1: you mentioned certain and then of course Jamar Chase was

1741
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 1: in that conversation as well. But who else would you

1742
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 1: feel good about in the second round? Like if there

1743
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 1: was an early second round pick, And we talked about

1744
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 1: the value of picking toward the front half of that,

1745
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 1: is that where you have to go defense, especially if

1746
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 1: you go that offensive side, in that offensive route in

1747
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 1: the first half, or is there somebody on the offensive

1748
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 1: side of the football that you'd feel happy about early

1749
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: in the second Well, I feel like a lot of

1750
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 1: the guys that I'm watching, And obviously Dane has seen

1751
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: seven thousand, four hundred and seventy two guys this year

1752
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 1: and I'm at about fourteen or fifteen. But I think

1753
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys that I've been watching, whether

1754
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,600
Speaker 1: it's the guys that are considered the top edges in

1755
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 1: this class, or the third and fourth corners in this class,

1756
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: or the second and third linebackers in this class, I mean,

1757
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of players that I really like. I

1758
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: just think when you're talking about which guy you're going

1759
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 1: to pick at in theory number four, overall, you should

1760
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 1: be picking a guy that you feel like, man, this

1761
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 1: guy can be a star. And in this draft class, look,

1762
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 1: there's gonna be stars that come out of here, whether

1763
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 1: we identify them to be picked in the top three

1764
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 1: or five, or it's somebody who's trades and hits their

1765
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 1: ceiling like they're gonna be there. And there's guys that

1766
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: I really really like. There's just not guys that I

1767
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 1: really really like picking in the top five where they're

1768
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:40,759
Speaker 1: going to be incredibly highly paid in the salary cap league.

1769
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 1: But like when you're getting to the end of the

1770
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: first round or early into the second round. Nick Bolton,

1771
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 1: linebacker round in Missouri, I love him. I actually have

1772
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: already coined him the anti Parsons because Michael Parsons is

1773
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: a monster who's what six four two forty five and

1774
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: may go sideline and sideline faster than any linebacker in

1775
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 1: the history of the league. Like he's a demon when

1776
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 1: he's when he's right. But like Michael Parsons, I feel like,

1777
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: you see how young he is at the position when

1778
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: he's dropping the coverage and when he's not diagnosing immediately.

1779
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: I watched Nick Bolton at Missouri and I don't think

1780
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: I've ever seen him take a false step. I don't

1781
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: think I've ever seen him not be the first guy

1782
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 1: moving off the snap. He's always right, he's stays in

1783
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 1: a shovel. I have seen him cover, so you know

1784
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 1: he's not prototypical size. But currently first by guy in

1785
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 1: this draft is Nick Bolton. Yeah, Frisco kid, He's he's

1786
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: awesome and he's gonna get killed for the lack of length,

1787
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 1: but you're absolutely right, he's a bad out of hell.

1788
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: The diagnosed skills are awesome, and you know there's there's

1789
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 1: some Devin Bush to his game, who of course Devin

1790
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 1: Bush win I think ten overall to the Steelers. So

1791
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:51,600
Speaker 1: uh yeah, Nick Bolton absolutely could end up being a

1792
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 1: top twenty guy in this class. Also, keep in mind,

1793
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 1: you know he's really needs to show it here as

1794
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: the season winds down. You know, dealing Moses a kind

1795
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 1: of a blue Star special for Alabama. There hope, you know,

1796
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 1: unfortunately towards towards knee up last year and has it

1797
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: looked the same this year, But you know we've seen

1798
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 1: it in his tape and a little bit from his

1799
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 1: tape last year, like there's a little bit there to go. Okay,

1800
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 1: there's if that can be untapped. He's you get a

1801
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 1: little nervous, I know, drafting injed linebackers in this organization.

1802
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 1: I know, But Dylan Moses Saga, I'm definitely not sleeping on.

1803
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,879
Speaker 1: I lot more guy at linebacker to mention Zaven Collins

1804
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 1: out of Tulsa. Oh, I know the Cowboys like him,

1805
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: all right. Uh and in a tradeback scenario, don't rule

1806
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 1: out Zaven Collins. He could be in the mix. They

1807
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 1: like him a lot. You've got how come they want

1808
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 1: let their Tulsa got played this year? Freggie Robbins. I

1809
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 1: was about to bring it up, Kaze. I was about

1810
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 1: to say that Dan, any answer to that A good

1811
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: question of the field, Yeah, exactly put him out there

1812
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: safety corner, I don't care. I mean he and he

1813
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 1: could help you out either spots. So this I thought

1814
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 1: he was ready to step in, you know, he was.

1815
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 1: He was an upperclassman, a guy that was a veteran

1816
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 1: who had versable experience. I thought we'd see a little

1817
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: bit more from him. But you know, I'm not gonna

1818
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 1: sit here in question the coaches. They obviously don't feel

1819
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 1: quite ready with them just yet. But you know we

1820
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 1: we we'd yet to read the last chapter of his book. Hey,

1821
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: Al Harris, Remember that time Matt Hasselbeck said, we want

1822
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: the ball and we're gonna score, and you intercept it.

1823
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 1: I got your attention. Now, I got your attention because

1824
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 1: you hit the interception. Might Reggie Robinson play? Just let

1825
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: him play? There's Katsie's final final words of the draft show.

1826
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 1: I guess before we wrap things up, but I like

1827
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 1: the linebackers in that second round. I'm black Cabina. I'm

1828
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 1: glad you brought that up because I like Bolting a

1829
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 1: lot and got to see him at Lone Star actually

1830
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 1: down the road. Coach Rayburn does a fantastic job of

1831
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: producing talent, especially on the defensive side of the football there,

1832
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 1: and he's just one of those guys that's been there,

1833
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 1: done the right thing at every level he's been at it.

1834
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 1: I think he'll continue that into the NFL. So I

1835
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 1: like Bolton a lot. I was watching Moses yesterday. I

1836
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: still don't really know how I feel about him. And

1837
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: then Dane bringing up another Tulsa defender. I'm cool with it.

1838
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: I like the Tulsa defender from last year. And Reggie Robinson,

1839
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,440
Speaker 1: we just haven't seen him this year for the Cowboys,

1840
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 1: So lots of options there in the early parts of

1841
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:18,679
Speaker 1: the second round whenever April comes. But that's not gonna

1842
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 1: be yet for our Draft show, as we'll be back

1843
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 1: next week and even every week after that until the

1844
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: Cowboys are out of contention, and then we'll go twice

1845
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: a week with these different groups. But man, guys, it's

1846
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:32,640
Speaker 1: been a whole lot of fun. And glad to have

1847
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 1: you back for another year of the Draft Show, Dane.

1848
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 1: Glad to have you right back in the mix like

1849
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: you once were full time. You were on the show

1850
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:40,640
Speaker 1: quite a bit last year, but glad to have you

1851
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 1: back in the MIxS full time, buddy. Now, I saw

1852
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: the sign up in the sky and I came running,

1853
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 1: So I'm on board. Let's do it. Captain trade Down.

1854
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: You're feeling good about the draft this year? The final

1855
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 1: five weeks of the season. Oh, Kyle, we're gonna kill

1856
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 1: this thing. To me incredible. Listen, this is what Captain

1857
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: trade Down lives for. Capt Trade Down list from this

1858
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: top five pick, turn it into three or four picks

1859
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: in the top fifty. Joseph Osi A sea there, Texas.

1860
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about you. JC Horn, I see you, Tray

1861
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 1: Von mooreg I see you. We're coming to get all

1862
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,679
Speaker 1: of you guys. We just it all starts with captain

1863
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 1: trade down. Getting to right, Katie. I don't think there's

1864
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 1: any better way to put it like he just did.

1865
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: But you're right there in the same boat. You're mister

1866
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 1: Win to go to go win the division. You've got

1867
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 1: captain trade down to mister go win. You're feeling good. Yeah,

1868
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm Sergeant Win. I'm Sergeant Win Games. Just win. We'll

1869
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 1: get We're gonna we're gonna scut him up and we're

1870
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna pick the right players when it's time.

1871
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 1: So just just go win games. Getting ready for Baltimore.

1872
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 1: Let's go. That's gonna do it here for us on

1873
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:49,719
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. For Dan Brugler,

1874
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 1: for Sergeant Win Games for Captain trade down, I'm Kyle

1875
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 1: Yeoman's saying so long from the Star in Frisco. We'll

1876
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:57,680
Speaker 1: see you next week on the Draft show. This has

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1878
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:02,320
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